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147. Mythic Legions, Cosmic Legions, Figura Obscura and more predictions 🧐 for 2026 · The Euro Legions Podcast

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  My wallet is sobbing. I can hear it.
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  I can hear it in the hall now. It is breaking down crying.
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  It turns out the Attila the arrogant so and so.
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  He's got a fake hammer. A fake?
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  Yeah. Whoa.
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  As I say, Dick. Welcome to episode 147 of the
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  Allegiance Podcast. And we're making a show of
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  ourselves for the 2026 predictions.
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  This is the one that we'll be taking clips out of to review
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  next January again and see how wrong we were.
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  All right, all right, you. Know feeling by the list of
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  predictions I've I've I've I've jotted down here that I think
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  I'm going to be I'm going to be in miles position next year when
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  it comes to the prediction rankings yeah anyway, Malcolm
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  Kennedy Richard Jones here again with me John Caulfield as usual.
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  How's it going, Mal? Yeah, it's good.
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  It's good been. A long week, January.
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  Not. Not so much.
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  But this is the month we get through to to enjoy the rest of
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  the year really, isn't it? Pretty much February is a little
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  bit like that as well. But yeah.
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  It's the lack of, it's the daylight, it's the dullness for
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  me that that's the real the. Wet and cold, you know, I can do
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  with cold, but any wet, yeah. Damp and rich, how's your back
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  holding up in this? I've got a heat blanket on it at
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  the moment. Generally it's it's, yeah, it's
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  improving definitely, but it's just got rim here.
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  I mean, I got to the office this morning, parked up in the car,
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  parked by the office is what, 6:50?
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  It's like, oh, it's horribly early anyway, but it's spitting
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  little bit. That's fine.
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  Put my phone out to pay on the app.
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  And as I was paying, the heavens opened and it just tipped it
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  down. It's just like, oh great, OK.
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  And that started off the rubbish day.
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  So it's yeah. Kind of sounds like a little
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  extract from that story you were telling Van on Richie's Randoms
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  last week. Listen.
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  I saw, I saw, I saw a little teaser or something from that,
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  but I think that isn't works. I didn't get a chance to.
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  Listen to it. Hopefully I, I just, I teased
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  the question and the very start of the answer and then it cuts
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  off. So hopefully people will be
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  tempted to hear hear the rest of it.
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  It's good story and good chat with Van.
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  We also have a couple more coming up over the next couple
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  of weeks for Rich's randoms as well as we might do another.
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  We'll definitely do another patron episode as well on some
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  other stuff. And do we have a live stream
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  coming up as well, Rich soon? That we do, yes.
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  So we're doing our now annual live quiz, looking back at
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  legions of 2025, what we saw, what we got in hand, all that
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  sorts of thing. And as we're still technically
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  just about close enough to Christmas, there's some
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  Christmas Christmas movie drawings from me as well.
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  People can. Oh, my kryptonite.
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  Yeah, I think they're everyone's group The night, you know,
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  Because they're not great, let's be honest.
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  But they're fun. Yeah.
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  So that's going to be the 31st of January, which is a Saturday
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  and as a was it a 7:00 PM UK 7? PM UK, Yeah.
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  Yeah. So work out your time zones from
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  there. Yeah, yeah.
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  OK, note of the time. We have some good guests and if
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  nothing else, you'll see Mel and John embarrass themselves.
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  As for normal. Probably.
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  Like every week on this show basically, right?
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  Little bit of news from 4 Horsemen or since we last spoke,
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  a couple of things worth talking about.
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  So shipping was #1 so we talked about all the waves that are
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  we're waiting for over the last one.
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  I think in the last few couple episodes they came up in various
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  different ways and we have some news on that, some kind of
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  concrete stuff. We knew maybe some of this
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  previously, but still worth going over and this is kind of
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  more concrete timeline for a lot of this stuff. 2025 retailer
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  appreciation wave has a street date 18th of February.
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  So if you have that on pre-order, you will have to pay
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  for that in February. So factor that one in.
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  That's me, yeah. I got the emails from Big Bad
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  for the ones I ordered from them.
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  Yeah, I have a couple of three of that green snake and three of
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  that trooper to pay for. So yeah.
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  Yeah, I got 6 figures to pay for as well.
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  Yeah. And then eight at the moment,
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  Rising Suns, that is the Red Star and the Noble Bear Wave
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  shipping begins early February from the Horsemen.
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  We don't know if it's all ends. We don't know if it's single
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  figures. It depends what arrives first in
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  their warehouse they said. But that'll be going out all in
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  February I would say and into March.
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  So if you have a direct pre-order, it'll be then I would
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  guess the street date will be sometime around early March
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  would be my guess. So another bill coming for those
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  and Cosmic Legions, Ox Crew Herald Zone.
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  So Ox Crew 2, as we often call arriving in late March.
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  So that means it'll be shipping out direct from the Horsemen
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  late late March and then subsequently retailers.
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  So we you know, we we have predictions.
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  So I'm not going to say what I was going to say there that
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  might go into one of the predictions.
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  Infinite legions also arriving late March so cosmic adjacent
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  yeah and quick we love that we love a bit of that's not long on
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  pre-order. They didn't they didn't take too
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  long. That's only two figs as such,
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  but still it's the space suits and we actually they become even
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  more interesting now the infinite legions, because
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  there's not much cosmic on preorder.
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  Those space suits are amazing and we just have cog in the next
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  wave and you know, we have all the other ones, the veloc and
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  stuff that you know, we have those colours.
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  So now we have these colours and if you want ones for customs,
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  you know, might be a good option with these.
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  Did you order these as well Rich the infinite legions?
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  I did, yeah. One of the faden and three of
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  the other duties. Never.
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  Can't remember. The purple guy.
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  Yeah, Fanos. Fanos, yeah.
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  Excellent. And then more stuff, Q2,
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  twenties 26, so Q2 is April until June.
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  So somewhere in that window, ashes of egg Bendor.
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  So they were, you know, it's going to be the two year mark
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  for this unfortunately, but it's what it is.
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  But it's coming so exciting. Yep.
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  Roll on that shadow Centaur, even if you 2 and.
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  There's some cool figures in there.
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  No, I am looking forward. To this is the one wave I
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  didn't. I think it's the one mythic
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  legions wave in the last four years that I didn't order
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  everything from so and all in from so controversial take there
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  from me open to the dawns of discovery that is actually, but
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  I will probably order the the other one Dawns of discovery
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  ones from a retailer. So yeah, it was more just how it
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  worked out. At the time, yeah, at.
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  The time, yeah, but there's this other one was I'm not getting
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  those ones. Yeah, they didn't get.
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  Too fussed by a bunch of them, were you so?
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  Yeah, it wasn't too many, but it was a couple, definitely that
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  shadow centre. Yeah, yeah.
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  And so that's the one where the Orleans will share first for
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  sure. That's my guess.
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  But quick off, the quick off the production ranks is the
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  graveyard zombies and skeletons also arriving in Q2.
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  So from last November. So that's that's a good timeline
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  as well as the legacy. So the the pre-order batch of
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  that which was up for pre-order in October, I think last year
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  run this October time just after the direct in stock sale of them
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  and then beta there is still scheduled to ship 2026.
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  So that's the latest update. I mean that was the update, but
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  now it's, you know, updated again in January 2026 that they
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  still expected to be on track. So exciting.
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  There is other waves, you know, in the mix here that they
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  haven't mentioned, but that could still, you know, come into
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  the picture for this year like the is the beasts, the rising
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  rain of the beasts rain. Rain of the Beasts, yeah.
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  Yeah. So, you know, and of course when
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  a lot of stuff starts to ship to us, it means stuff has to come
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  in on the pre-order side and take its place.
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  So here's what's happening in that regard.
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  Character 2 packs, they're ending January 25th, so that's
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  this weekend basically that this podcast is released first.
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  So if you want to get them direct from the Horsemen, now is
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  the time. Otherwise retailers should pick
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  most of them up, but that comes with the caveat that that's up
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  to the retailer whether they'll pick them up.
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  But we think at least Big Bad will have them.
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  So at the very worst you have an option.
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  Infinite legions arc and the cruel pre-order begins late
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  January. We'll probably be talking in
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  more detail about this guy next week then if they if they early
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  next week start to put out some info about him.
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  It's definitely in the next couple of weeks.
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  Isn't it late? January, meaning you know the
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  daily live stream is Saturday the 31st, so it has to be next
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  week. It does.
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  My guess is a Wednesday reveal and then a Friday pre-order.
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  Oh great, So. Yeah, it's completely but.
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  You say, but then if the kick started late February.
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  So you're probably right, Rich. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  So as Matt said, Kickstarter role-playing game late February,
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  more stuff to to come on that second.
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  So we have a few more details on that.
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  Rounding up mates who aren't in the Legions community but like
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  the idea of planning day. I've been going soon, by the end
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  of the year we're going to be doing.
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  Oh yeah, definitely. Yeah, yeah, definitely we should
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  do that. And once you learn on the roof,
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  then you can, you can run an online game for us, me and Rich.
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  And then what a lot of people have been waiting for and
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  especially those that didn't make it last November to New
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  Jersey, to Legions Con in stock sale begins in April.
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  And that is for the Legions Con figures.
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  So it's everything pictured here at the bottom of this slide,
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  which is the Crossroads figures, those four, which are basically
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  2 separate figures. But will these be boxed?
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  No, these will be boxed. I don't know how they.
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  Would be still just be the two ain't.
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  Just the two, yeah, without the exclusive bits.
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  So yeah. Yeah.
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  Yeah, a 1.0, which is the revenant and the nymph surer
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  revenue. Maybe my heads that are on the
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  figure in the box maybe like yes.
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  That's what they do. They reverse them.
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  Yeah, Coy. The legions cons price drop
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  tough. The the figure obscure and eh.
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  Then we also have the Legacies, Scaphoid and Survival Guard.
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  Oh yes, they'll be there. And we also have the armoury
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  figures. Oh, don't.
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  They'll get. That Oh no, Jeremy has said in
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  the comments of the posts. Yeah.
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  OK, cool, so that's the one. Oh well, it's works.
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  Pretty expensive. Well, keep keep a few if you
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  quit for April. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  My birthday is in May, so maybe I'll just get a Four Horsemen
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  gift voucher. Will be will be what I'll ask
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  for for my birthday slightly earlier.
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  Maybe it's the same closest before then?
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  I'm with you, John. I'm in early June.
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  So yeah, yeah, your voucher. Boom.
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  I think what I want is the the armoury, you know, all in on the
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  armoury. That's pretty much what I want
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  out of this because I have the other ones I.
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  Want and the armoury and a few extras of some of the various
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  bonds with the belts and the trout and trousers and boot
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  combination that I want. So yeah.
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  Yeah, thinking all in plus a couple.
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  Probably just the two extra white orc build.
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  And then what about Colin? You know, there's the other
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  figures. I've got 3 koi, that's probably
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  enough. Is it 3 or 43?
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  See what FOMO we get on the day exactly.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm fine.
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  Make sure you guys going? I bought 6.
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  Yeah, you should be, definitely. It'll be if it sits there for a
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  day, then Rich will start getting.
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  Yeah, that's it. And.
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  Then probably another 3 or 4 revenants.
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  I only got 1 to keep Allegiance con so I need some more of that
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  as well. Good look at that.
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  If if I'd probably get another umm.
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  Valgard. OK.
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  The dwarf. Yeah, yeah, yeah, very cool,
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  right? We also had this little fella.
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  They had the heroic elf Rogue. He's full debut at the
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  Philadelphia Area Gaming Expo, so we get the painted version
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  him. It's supposed to be blueish and
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  so paint grey, it's called the colour on his sleeves and his
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  pants, brown leather. That is the Poxus torso.
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  It looks like belts, stuff like that.
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  Cool head. Didn't our good friend Brett do
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  a comparison and it's actually the scapula torso?
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  How is it? Oh, Scapular, Yes, yes.
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  OK. It looks very similar to boxes.
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  Yes, you're right. OK.
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  And then the new head, obviously you see it.
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  They're slightly more close up here.
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  Comes with. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Scapular.
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  Yeah. And.
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  That's about last looking head. Yeah.
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  And it's this is one of the base player figures that would be
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  offered as part of the Kickstarter for just $30.00, so
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  2999 that's $30. A pre rolled character sheet for
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  this character would be included in the beginner box, which I
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  think we'll all get in the beginner box for sure.
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  And this will be offered. We'll have a corresponding mini
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  of his Alvin Rogue, so pretty good.
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  And of course, this is allegiance figure.
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  The configurations here is just the beginning.
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  You can pop and swap parts to upgrade and customise your
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  character. And we have a very cool
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  character pack planned to go alongside this rogue.
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  So that'll be extra, but not crazy extra.
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  It'll be, you know, a few dollars extra, probably the 10
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  or 15, I don't know how. So that was how the the the red,
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  the red light gun was going to work, came as one configuration
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  and you could buy the character pack.
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  That was the other configuration and that you got with the Comic
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  Con versions, which is a good, fantastic idea.
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  Interesting here for you, Rich. This will allow you to transform
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  them into a completely different profession and a different
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  species. From the species.
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  That's that's the important one. Hello.
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  Yeah, So kicks off into February, as we've said before
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  and as it says here. So I'm very exciting.
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  We will definitely be all over this and there'll be a few
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  episodes at least, I'm sure, on this whole topic.
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  I. Have becomes my sharkman rogue.
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  Well, I have prediction that might reference what I think,
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  yeah. Yes, we're getting there.
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  So this was another picture that they posted from the this
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  display they had. And there you can see that
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  that's the character pack for the for the red knight.
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  It has the it's a cleric head repainted in there has another
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  knight. And then you can see the knight
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  head does the knight minis a different all bunch of different
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  dice there. Yeah, it this all looks amazing.
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  You can see characters use the character shoot there for Varg
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  so. That's one and I haven't made
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  this prediction, but one thing I would love is to get is like a a
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  monster manual of existing characters from the from the
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  from the mythos. That would be I'm.
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  Sure, there would be something like.
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  I'm sure there would be something to cover that.
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  It would. Make sense?
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  Because it might be, doesn't it? But yeah.
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  And then just the last picture here I have is of the map, you
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  know, kind of table and I. Forgot what it was called now,
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  but yeah, it's like a book, wasn't it, that you could have
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  the the miniatures sized map? We then switched to the figure
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  action figure size map, which is very cool.
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  Yeah, and then one last thing here, a bit of news.
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  Graveyard skeletons. The box art was revealed and
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  they're going to come in coffins, so I.
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  Prefer that to the actual skeletons to be.
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  This is This might tempt me to pick up one or two.
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  Yeah, yeah, keep the box. And eh, yeah, this is done by
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  Tom Tolman, I think. So, eh very nicely done and eh,
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  very appropriate. So eh, if you want to see that
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  in even higher definition, better detail, the horseman's
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  socials have pictures of that. So just scroll back a few days
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  and you'll see it. Right?
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  So now, last minute scribbling there for the predictions.
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  It's time to actually get into it.
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  We're going to get a mid year away from mythics and I think it
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  will follow on from the Horror of Einsomal, but Bridge the
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  Horror and the Dawns of Destiny. Is that what it's called?
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  Discovery, Discovery, Dawns of Discovery and I think so.
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  I think the ship mentioned in the Horrors because we never
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  actually get a description of the Undertow in Dawns of
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  Discovery. I think the ship mentioned in
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  the Horrors is the Undertow with the red sails, and I might be
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  misinterpreting it, which will completely wipe out my whole.
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  But in Captain Iron jaws, the iron jaw Iron yeah, Iron school.
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  It's kind of one of those days. Iron school's bio it it's Fray.
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  The it's it might just be poetic language the way Jeremy's
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  written it, but it says about. The Undertow crew are sent on
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  missions no one else wants to do, and it's one of these
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  missions that puts them in conflict in head in the sights
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  of or the head to head with. I suppose the time frame is
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  probably wrong, isn't it? But they could still be.
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  Don't overthink it. Don't.
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  Overthink it, but but anyway, so I think they're actually they're
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  doing this Einser Mile mission and they've in run run into they
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  haven't actually been sent to attack the ship.
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  They they just happen to have encountered it.
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  So I think the mid year wave is going to be a mix of so so so
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  the thing about that mid is is a Gar Garmin's belt and the
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  vampire element of it. So I think we're going to get in
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  the mid year wave a mix of Undertow crew and some sort of
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  vampires and I think they'll be different vampires to we've seen
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  before somehow. I don't know how they'll have a
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  different lineage so they can do something different with them.
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  I'll be honest Mal, I hope your prediction is better than mine
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  then if they're going to be more vampires.
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  And I've said, I think I, and I don't say this lightly, I think
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  there might be a shark man in the Undertow crew because it
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  just feels like it would fit. You've just taken, you've just
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  taken all of Rich's predictions. I'm just literally.
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  Crossing him off my phone again. Fine, yeah.
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  And then, but that's as deep as I'm then, like I'm a bit out of
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  a couple of vampires. No idea what they'll look like,
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  but I think they'll look a bit different to what we used to.
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  I just don't know how quite and and I don't know who else will
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  get in that crew. That's where I it could we
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  should say to the list they shouldn't we?
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  It's so hard. They're predicting anything.
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  It's crazy there. There's no educated guess
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  because they're all over the place.
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  Yeah, there's like, because there's the hints that Jeremy
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  gives, but then like everyone kind of can can guess them at
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  this stage because so many people are in the weeds on it.
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  Yeah. So now you just really have to
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  throw darts at the board to be to be kind of anyway.
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  And that's that's what I've got for mid year wave.
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  I think that's what we're getting.
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  I have slightly more than that, so I apologise if Zeppo runs
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  long. John, don't kill me.
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  No, no, he's good. Go for it.
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  So I've done a little story to to tuck it on.
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  It's just 4 little paragraphs but bear with me people on this
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  one. So I spent this most.
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  Of This will not be in the review episode of of these
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  predictions. So I spent most of the last two
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  days when I wasn't working thinking how are they going to
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  carry on from the horror and small way but fit the vampire
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  type feel into it as well. So I got a little little back
• 23:24
  story and then we'll leap into the 8 on characters like spell
• 23:29
  that in. Detail Jesus.
• 23:31
  Yeah, no, not messing around here.
• 23:34
  Right, I promise to edit this episode well because I have not
• 23:37
  done the homework as well. Once Upon a time, so aeons ago
• 23:44
  before before current mythos, the Brood sent an army to the
• 23:48
  Northlands to conquer it. They thought the cold weather
• 23:50
  and limited daylight would make for a perfect vampire territory.
• 23:54
  The army led by vampires mainly included sycophants from various
• 23:58
  races who wanted eternal life by becoming vampires.
• 24:01
  So it's agreed to fight for the Brood to achieve this.
• 24:04
  That includes humans, elves, all sorts of other races we know.
• 24:08
  The expedition, however, was far more difficult than they could
• 24:10
  ever have imagined. At almost every step they had
• 24:13
  either fierce resistance from northern tribes of humans and
• 24:16
  other races, or had brutal encounters with previous
• 24:19
  fearsome with fearsome, previously unknown races like
• 24:23
  the Yeti and Fenrikin. After months of fighting, the
• 24:27
  vampire army had subdued the great creatures like Fenrikin
• 24:29
  and Yeti and felt they're on the verge of victory with just a
• 24:32
  small settlement called Vikonfell left to conquer.
• 24:36
  However, when they made it through the mountains and stood
• 24:38
  before Vikonfell, they saw not a small settlement, but a small
• 24:41
  city. The ensuing battle was
• 24:43
  ferocious, with the rugged citizens of Vikonfell willing to
• 24:47
  fight to the last person, and also having recruited a band of
• 24:50
  giants to help them Across the course of the battle, the brood
• 24:54
  army lost a vampire commander after commander, until the final
• 24:58
  vampire fell. Seeing their masters all perish,
• 25:00
  the army broke and fled the battlefield, disappearing never
• 25:04
  to be seen again. So that's the historic bit of
• 25:08
  it. Now we jump back to more modern
• 25:10
  times. Igrain and her party returned to
• 25:13
  the Castle of Four Sides and related what relayed what had
• 25:16
  happened. Pretty autocorrect.
• 25:18
  No one had ever heard of a Northern Ocean or a ship like
• 25:21
  the one they described. General Delfina suggested they
• 25:24
  talk to one of the Fishermen Guild members currently in
• 25:27
  Mythos. The Guild members, one by one,
• 25:30
  said they did not recognise the ship.
• 25:32
  But finally an old fisherman stepped forward and said he had
• 25:35
  once seen a ship like that. It belonged to a group called
• 25:39
  the Lost Brood. These pirates and slavers are
• 25:43
  rumoured to live on islands in the far Northern Ocean.
• 25:46
  He spoke of their blood red sails and how they worship blood
• 25:49
  gods. They are feared by all the races
• 25:51
  in that part of the wider mythos, he said.
• 25:54
  They had blood priests that conjured portals to help them
• 25:57
  move cities full of slaves to their islands.
• 26:00
  The old fisherman and a crew from Mythos sail off to try and
• 26:03
  find these slavers and see what the what?
• 26:05
  Threat they actually. Posed to Mythos and the
• 26:08
  Northlands. While on their journey they
• 26:11
  encounter a Lost Brood raiding party and help the locals fight
• 26:15
  it off. So that's set in the scene.
• 26:19
  It's quite a lot of stuff to set the scene, but this is wrong.
• 26:21
  So basically the, you know, the vampire sigil is there because
• 26:24
  it's vampire worshippers that went off by themselves out of
• 26:28
  mythos. Right.
• 26:31
  And is it so you're that first bit of law was even before the
• 26:37
  Iron Smile wave then? Oh yeah, that first bit of law
• 26:40
  was like a couple of 1000 years ago probably.
• 26:43
  So you can sometimes not get your own laptop working, but you
• 26:46
  seem to have nixed Jeremy Gerard's laptop.
• 26:50
  I mean, he screams regularly. Why can't you use his laptop to
• 26:53
  connect to the stream Yard here? A few times his isn't been
• 26:56
  working very well either. Maybe he is.
• 26:59
  He isn't it there. Yeah, right.
• 27:02
  OK then, now let's look at the characters.
• 27:04
  OK. Broken John already.
• 27:07
  Can you hear it in his voice? Yeah.
• 27:09
  Really half an hour in OK, so the and a lot of these
• 27:13
  characters are like been slightly flight of fancy by me.
• 27:15
  I'm not necessarily thinking we're going to get them
• 27:17
  necessarily, but it could be versions of this.
• 27:20
  It worked for you last year, so do.
• 27:21
  You know what I mean? I really am like a new one, but
• 27:25
  a horseman. Yeah.
• 27:28
  So the old fisherman, ideally for me, he would be a puffer
• 27:31
  Fishman. So a really spiky face could
• 27:36
  like have a really fat torso as if he's puffing up as well, that
• 27:38
  sort of thing. So cool Jeremy, who's my wish
• 27:41
  list? Eric, here's my wish list.
• 27:46
  Then the ship, the ship from Ethos has a human captain, but
• 27:50
  it is a military vessel. So it's, it's you know, it's not
• 27:53
  like a trading vessel, it's proper military vessel.
• 27:56
  So the captain has armour because it's a military vessel.
• 27:59
  But the leather boots, the soft goods cloak or a coat or
• 28:03
  something like that. Not not like a pirate as we not
• 28:06
  like a pirate, but that sort of look as we know it, but that
• 28:09
  sort of armoured sort of thing. And then and this is the thing
• 28:13
  that probably what. Sorry to interrupt and I've only
• 28:15
  just thought this about poor old Delfina.
• 28:17
  If that ship ever has an accident and she goes overboard,
• 28:21
  she's done for in that armour. Oh, she seems like a stone.
• 28:25
  Yeah, there's no She's brave. Yeah, and this is a coup de
• 28:31
  grace for my human captain. He has a conquistador style
• 28:36
  goatee, so, you know, with a big moustache coming out, pointy
• 28:40
  little beard. I'm looking for that with and
• 28:44
  without helmet. OK, John is looking stunned for
• 28:51
  those that just listened on the audio.
• 28:55
  So those are two of the goodies. And then the third and final
• 28:58
  good guy in the wave would be an elven warrior.
• 29:02
  The flock, for some mysterious reason, wanted to be part of the
• 29:05
  mission. They didn't say who, but yeah,
• 29:08
  we'll find out later. It'd be 1.0 build because I
• 29:11
  really like the idea of being a bit of a badass real like rough
• 29:14
  warrior type elf. I mean, I know they're doing the
• 29:17
  thief thing with the game, but this is just a bit more, you
• 29:21
  know, loads of lot, loads of knives, loads of swords.
• 29:23
  Like real. So he's gone for a flock figure,
• 29:27
  but you haven't gone anthropomorphic.
• 29:28
  I mean, come on. I haven't, no.
• 29:32
  There's there's time in the G Conway for anthropomorphic
• 29:34
  stuff, don't worry. OK, so there's the goodies.
• 29:37
  So now we go into the the the lost brood bad guys.
• 29:41
  So starts off with a blood elf captain of a ship and it was the
• 29:46
  same ship that was seen sailing away and now he's raiding a
• 29:48
  settlement. 1.01 point 0 build 1 was your big guy dark grey skin
• 29:54
  colour to make him stand out from the other elves.
• 29:57
  I mean it could be a light purple as well potentially, but
• 29:59
  like a dark grey sort of skin colour, like really properly
• 30:03
  twisted features as if it's like, you know, he's he's
• 30:06
  ancient. He might have been with the
• 30:07
  vampires when they first went N sort of thing.
• 30:09
  And he's like craggered and twisted features.
• 30:13
  Red armour sends the sort of blood elf element to it and then
• 30:18
  big big cloak of some sort. Then we have a blood elf
• 30:23
  Corsair. This would be a female 2.0
• 30:26
  build, black and red armour, just to mix the armour colours
• 30:29
  up a little bit. And who loves doesn't have black
• 30:30
  and red. I want a fancy new sword,
• 30:33
  curved, but we'd like jagged edges to it as well, so like a
• 30:36
  curve and then goes out a little bit.
• 30:38
  Yeah. I want a big flowing cloak, you
• 30:42
  know, sort of thing. She can just swish over her
• 30:43
  shoulder as she slices somebody up and thinking of parts they
• 30:49
  already have. I want a cage.
• 30:51
  It's like the bird cage where she carries around a decapitated
• 30:54
  head from their last raid as like a warning to other people.
• 30:59
  I mean, yeah. We've kind of got that with the
• 31:01
  is it Cherelle or Cherelle? She's yeah.
• 31:03
  So yeah. It's it's still in the idea.
• 31:05
  It's a good idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 31:07
  absolutely. OK, And then the last three bad
• 31:10
  guys, we have a rat soldier as part of them.
• 31:14
  I didn't even think about that bad shaft.
• 31:17
  So you know the a rat rather than a mouse?
• 31:19
  I mean I know the heads on the mouse look quite rattish anyway
• 31:21
  sort of thing. But use the mouse king buck
• 31:24
  obviously with your hands and the really scary looking feet.
• 31:27
  Would make a good member of the Undertow crew.
• 31:30
  He would. This is true, Mel.
• 31:31
  Yeah. I want a new I want a new evil
• 31:34
  rat head as well, like a proper evil snarly sort of head.
• 31:39
  Maybe you can use a shouting mouse head as like an alternate
• 31:42
  head as well, but like a Snarly 1 and they're like brown in
• 31:45
  colour. That would work for me.
• 31:48
  We then have a harpy, so a mysterious creature from, you
• 31:53
  know, the Northlands as it were, that have joined this lost brood
• 31:57
  2.0 build. My second 2.0 build of the the
• 32:00
  wave. I want a screaming head, like
• 32:03
  proper screaming hair going all over the place.
• 32:06
  That's sort of look I want. I want scaled body part.
• 32:10
  I want this is basically what I want, isn't it?
• 32:12
  Rather than what I think scale. Yeah, but also like smooth ones
• 32:16
  as well. I think, you know, you could do
• 32:18
  harpy. You never know.
• 32:20
  Long fingered hands and some like demon like wings on the
• 32:23
  back. Did you say demon wings?
• 32:28
  Not say demon. Wanks.
• 32:29
  But you know, there's a couple, Jeremy, so we can count them up.
• 32:32
  So did he say demon wings or demon wings?
• 32:37
  Up to you to decide. And then lastly, and I think
• 32:40
  what my thinking with this and the G Conway, because I want to
• 32:43
  pull in more fantasy sort of tropes now that we've started
• 32:45
  expanding it, let's do more stuff.
• 32:46
  So I wanted an elemental in but I want a blood magic elemental.
• 32:54
  We already have blood. Was a blood vampire in this
• 32:57
  wave? Yeah, but this is like working
• 32:59
  with them. So it's a blood magic elemental.
• 33:02
  OK, OK, I. Mean you could use the the the
• 33:07
  genie kind of elements we've got could use some of them on it
• 33:11
  and. Absolutely.
• 33:14
  I want lots of translucent part miles.
• 33:15
  You'd be Mal. You'd be glad to know.
• 33:17
  So I want translucent red hands so that he's like conjuring
• 33:20
  stuff up on the hands. A change in I want the head to
• 33:25
  two different heads. One almost looks like I was
• 33:27
  watching Clash of the Titans the the modern version the other day
• 33:30
  with that genie that looked like a wooden sort of face.
• 33:33
  I love that look. So like the elemental normal
• 33:36
  look would be that sort of thing.
• 33:37
  But then a translucent red version of the same sculpt that
• 33:41
  would be awesome on a cloak, but with lots of like thin pieces of
• 33:47
  material sort of thing rather than one big cloak.
• 33:49
  So you could do all sorts of cool poses and that with.
• 33:51
  It a bit like is it Mr Sinister as yes.
• 33:57
  Yeah, yeah, and some new magic effects.
• 33:59
  There you go. That.
• 34:01
  'D be cool more. So I think, I think, I think
• 34:03
  that could work as a storyline and why the vampire thing is
• 34:06
  there. I mean, I'm not necessarily
• 34:08
  saying we're going down the blood Elf route, but.
• 34:12
  Rich Rich now trying to convince Jeremy and Eric to do the story
• 34:17
  ideas he wants. You're like, you're like the,
• 34:20
  you're like the toy company equivalent.
• 34:22
  If you worked for, you're like the equivalent of, you know,
• 34:25
  that guy in the office, the sales guy who goes out and
• 34:27
  promises the client, the sun, the moon, the stars, everything.
• 34:31
  And then there's me and my back in the office.
• 34:33
  We do all the programming, we do all the, we do all the back
• 34:37
  office stuff. We do all the production, we
• 34:40
  manage all that stuff. And you're now telling us and
• 34:44
  we're like, uh. You think that?
• 34:48
  If you think that's bad, wait till I get to the G Conway.
• 34:50
  We're not money on the new tooling required.
• 34:53
  So are you done with? The media prediction here.
• 34:56
  Yeah, the media. Pray for future John.
• 35:00
  Trying to basically get the details out of that.
• 35:04
  And yeah, right, here's my prediction for the mid year
• 35:08
  wave. Here's what I said.
• 35:11
  I'll quote myself. It's going to be very short.
• 35:15
  Meteor Wave will deal with the meeting of the Iron Smell Party
• 35:18
  and the Golden Gill so. OK, you're the other way, yeah.
• 35:24
  And then I also said time for more flock and brood figures
• 35:30
  this year. The last flock figure we got was
• 35:33
  Kai Pasha. And OK, we got Frost Ogre, who's
• 35:37
  in the brood from last year, but he's not very.
• 35:40
  Brood. He's not classically brewed.
• 35:42
  You know, so and very few figures in those factions since
• 35:48
  their versus wave. So I've kept it generic.
• 35:52
  I'm most likely to be right if you guys are right for sure.
• 35:55
  So I can I can sing and dance about this.
• 35:59
  You're going to get a lot of stuff wrong with your
• 36:01
  prediction. They're rich.
• 36:02
  You're going to, you know I can. Or I'm going to nail it and then
• 36:07
  you guys will be like. Yeah, I can really.
• 36:10
  I can really screw you over by leaving out like the 2 little
• 36:13
  obscure things that you got right among all the wrong just.
• 36:18
  Wrong after right me. OK.
• 36:20
  But I think we're, I think we're all on the same, eh, we're all
• 36:24
  in the same train there. It looks like that's set up to
• 36:28
  be some sort of media wave, the meeting between these two
• 36:33
  things, and we all recognise that the Flock and the Brood
• 36:39
  probably need a couple more characters and that might happen
• 36:42
  that way. Now if we get Flock and Brood
• 36:46
  characters another way, I'm taken as a victory lap as well.
• 36:49
  Yeah, Yeah. Well, yeah, we'll get there when
• 36:53
  I talk about my end of year wave, OK.
• 36:55
  Well, it's over to you. Next year you drive the the.
• 36:59
  Oh, it's that you do. You haven't even tried.
• 37:04
  I. Am the I am the editors last
• 37:08
  producer of this show. I did not want to script myself
• 37:10
  25 minutes of story for every point to make.
• 37:14
  When he's edited it together, it will sound like our predictions
• 37:17
  are his, but with weird he'll be like, I'm just going to do an
• 37:19
  impression of right anyway, So G Con wave, there's obviously a
• 37:28
  lot of we have to dig into and try and work out what Jeremy
• 37:32
  meant with there being room at the table for everyone.
• 37:36
  We think it was, wasn't it? He said in the shooting the
• 37:42
  shelf at the end of Legions Con. So I think they're going to take
• 37:47
  the opportunity in next year's G Con to revisit new Mythos so
• 37:52
  that we don't completely go away from that and there's an
• 37:55
  opportunity to keep introducing the old style characters and
• 38:01
  that people have fallen in love with.
• 38:04
  And I think it's going to be the meeting that happened between
• 38:09
  the Golden Gear. Was it the Golden Guild?
• 38:11
  No, that landed first a new mythos.
• 38:17
  The ship with Koi. Yeah, the original.
• 38:19
  That's Golden Gill. Yeah, yeah.
• 38:21
  So, so the original, yeah. So the Golden Gill, I think it's
• 38:24
  going to be the meeting between the Golden Gill crew that had
• 38:26
  survived and the sort of, you know, the the different.
• 38:33
  What would you call them? Faction.
• 38:35
  Adversaries of the factions. So, so we'll get.
• 38:40
  So I think they'll take the opportunity to introduce a
• 38:42
  couple more version twos. I've actually gone on to
• 38:46
  legacies next so but I wonder if we might see a Legion 2 version
• 38:52
  2 of on steel Hyde. Maybe because he needs a bit of
• 38:56
  a refresh or a lot of people seem to want him to have a
• 38:58
  refresh. And I think now we've got the
• 38:59
  lighter Dwarf armour, it would suit him better are.
• 39:03
  You still on the G con wave ML or have you lurched off onto
• 39:06
  legacies? No, no, this is G They're kind
• 39:08
  of a little bit of overlap, but this is what I think might be in
• 39:11
  the G con wave, because I definitely think we get a dwarf
• 39:16
  character as well, because that's another one we haven't
• 39:19
  really we've we get OK, we're getting the set with what's
• 39:24
  coming in next few months. But if you think about it, we'll
• 39:27
  that was a pre-order from nearly two years ago and we've not had
• 39:30
  any more dwarfs or any more little people other than Imps
• 39:34
  since then. And goblins.
• 39:37
  We had the Goblin pack, but that was quite sooner and Glios and I
• 39:45
  I actually think it might include some of those that were
• 39:48
  traditionally the bad guys of put in quotes who are now more,
• 39:54
  you know, there's a bit of an easy truce in places.
• 39:58
  So we might get some members of the Red Star again.
• 40:01
  Do I mean the Red Star after? Yeah, Yeah, I do don't know.
• 40:05
  Gap Pillars crew. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 40:08
  So that's red * Yeah, that's it. So.
• 40:11
  Yeah, use word house in their name.
• 40:13
  Shame on you. We might get some some more of
• 40:16
  them. Yeah, I think you know, I
• 40:20
  haven't that the mainly I think yeah or on Steelhead 2 point O
• 40:27
  is the only thing that really because I wondered about
• 40:29
  legacies, but actually might fit better in a wave rather than as
• 40:33
  a legacy character. So that's that's my only bit of
• 40:38
  thinking. It's a bit OK wishy washy but.
• 40:41
  That's good, I like it. It's more like my predictions.
• 40:45
  Rich, I'll be reading through my G company again.
• 40:49
  Yeah, read through my G company again.
• 40:50
  I'm thinking like this really is a wish list for me rather than
• 40:53
  I'm going to. I'm going to go for them all
• 40:54
  anyway, and if I get through four of them, then I'm going to
• 40:56
  claim glory and I'll be very happy.
• 40:58
  I know. So I think the table reference
• 41:01
  is when they actually land in the other and the next continent
• 41:05
  and there's a huge giant table and they all meet around that,
• 41:10
  the people from the ship, from Ether Ross and the new people.
• 41:18
  I see what you're saying. It's not a, but yeah, yeah,
• 41:21
  absolutely could be. You're right.
• 41:23
  I didn't mean mention beta sex. I'm hoping he falls overboard
• 41:26
  and doesn't make it, but that's just my dislike for scantily
• 41:30
  clad people. So OK, so I've gone for lots of
• 41:39
  new stuff. It probably won't be like that.
• 41:42
  They'll probably throw a a human on the other continent in like
• 41:46
  they do they've been and that sort of stuff and that.
• 41:48
  And if they do a good job as they did with they've been,
• 41:50
  that's fine. But I've stayed away from that.
• 41:53
  See how those face plates make people excited?
• 41:56
  You know this is how it goes. So the only character I'm going
• 42:03
  to use from the ship that was sailing over there?
• 42:06
  No, he's not from the ship that's sailing over there.
• 42:09
  Ignore that. The only character I'll use from
• 42:11
  what's now New Mythos. So the old continent is a
• 42:14
  version 2 of Sigalera. Ideally enough, that was when I
• 42:20
  toyed with. I've actually not included him,
• 42:23
  but I did toy with putting him as one of the couple of version
• 42:26
  twos from IG Con Wave as well. The Knights do so well, I think
• 42:30
  they're going to try and get another knight in and you know,
• 42:31
  I was thinking on another Templar and it's like, yeah,
• 42:33
  we've had a lot of Templars recently.
• 42:35
  I'm not sure they can get another one in again.
• 42:38
  So it's a Galleron, full helmet and visible face options, a new
• 42:44
  shield boss of some sort. You know, they're doing really
• 42:48
  well with their shield bosses, so let's let's get a new one of
• 42:50
  those. And obviously he's got the
• 42:52
  slightly different armour colour, hasn't he?
• 42:53
  So, you know, you could make it a bit more purpley again, like
• 42:56
  some of the pictures look and that sort of thing if you wanted
• 42:59
  to. And he's not alone.
• 43:02
  So he left after Delfina to warn.
• 43:05
  Basically, his idea was to warn Delfina about this new threat
• 43:08
  from the north, the lost brood, some Thai men, and he flew over
• 43:13
  on a gryphon. So I'm predicting A gryphon as a
• 43:16
  mount. Now I said this for last year
• 43:18
  and got it wrong, but I'm sticking with it because it's a
• 43:20
  great idea. I I, yeah, again, I wouldn't.
• 43:23
  That actually good idea, I think, yeah.
• 43:26
  So he flew around a gryphon. So there's him.
• 43:27
  That's him in the mount. So that's the big mount thing
• 43:30
  out of the way. So then the people we meet over
• 43:33
  there, guess what the first one's going to be?
• 43:37
  A shark man. A shark man Chieftain.
• 43:41
  Oh, Chieftain, OK. Chieftain.
• 43:42
  Yeah. So like, you know, not.
• 43:44
  One with the satellite dish on his head, no.
• 43:47
  No, although people can buy that sculpt.
• 43:50
  Promise. And he'd make a very good guard
• 43:53
  or something to go with it, but no very quickly pin on the back
• 43:57
  of the head. I think it always works really
• 43:59
  well with the shark head. Hands and feet are modified
• 44:02
  fins. I want a tail and a snarling
• 44:06
  head and an armoured head. So if you have a shark, you want
• 44:09
  him like properly, like he's angry, you know, he's not been
• 44:14
  taught, you know, consulted on these newbies that just turn up.
• 44:16
  So he's not happy. Then I think we need a
• 44:19
  fisherman's Guild, either an ambassador or sort of the
• 44:22
  leadership of the fisherman's Guild there.
• 44:24
  It'll probably be a fish person. I think that's a really good
• 44:27
  chance for that. I think it'd be probably a fish
• 44:29
  person. But in an ideal world he would
• 44:31
  be a cephalopod. So back to my normal obsession
• 44:36
  with tentacled hands and feet. I'd want 2 heads, 1 peaceful
• 44:40
  serene looking guy, and one where someone's like stood on
• 44:43
  his tentacle at the table and he stood up and he's roaring and
• 44:46
  his mouth's open and the tentacles on his face are going
• 44:48
  in all directions and he's angry.
• 44:52
  And I think a really cool little extra piece would be like a
• 44:55
  black plastic piece as if he's spitting ink at somebody, like a
• 44:57
  defence mechanism. So that's him.
• 45:02
  I think we'd also have somebody from the seafarers there.
• 45:05
  I mean, I know the Captain Iron Skull and that are real baddies.
• 45:08
  But you know, I think generally the seafarers interact with the
• 45:12
  other groups. I think as again, this has cost
• 45:17
  a fortune and all this sculpting and tooling.
• 45:19
  But as the big crab went down so well, I'm thinking a 1.0 scale
• 45:23
  crustacean. Could be a crab.
• 45:25
  Could be a lobster type guy. Segmented arms and legs and
• 45:29
  extra limbs. Yes, an extra limbs coming out
• 45:32
  the back. Maybe a crab claw as a weapon?
• 45:38
  Like a skeleton using a bone arm as a weapon.
• 45:41
  Yeah, the next character sort of jumps ahead to my Infinite
• 45:46
  Legions prediction, but it's it's like a turtle or a Kappa
• 45:52
  character. I have a feeling we'll have the
• 45:54
  turtle character from the Dark Order as part of the Infinite
• 45:58
  things. So you could reuse that book,
• 46:00
  save some tooling money there would have new hands and feet
• 46:05
  which you could reuse on the character.
• 46:06
  I'm going to come to in a minute and I want it.
• 46:11
  I don't know, for some reason in my head, a turtle character
• 46:13
  would have a soft, even if it's made of solid plastic, a soft
• 46:16
  good style hat. So it wouldn't be like an
• 46:19
  armoured hat is like, no, no, I'm chilled.
• 46:21
  You know, I'm an ambassador here.
• 46:23
  I'm just going to have a soft good style hat.
• 46:26
  Then I want the imp scale back in.
• 46:28
  I love the imp scale. I want more of these and I want
• 46:31
  a little fairy. So female fairy in scale Buck 2
• 46:39
  heads. So one's like lovely and nice
• 46:41
  and happy go lucky fairy and one you've pissed her off and you're
• 46:44
  in trouble now and she's looking a bit angry.
• 46:47
  Little wings, little see through wings and a blow dart weapon
• 46:51
  would be a good one I think for. Those won't break it all.
• 46:55
  Not at all. No.
• 46:57
  Again, I've thought this through, John, Don't worry.
• 47:04
  As I said, if I get two or three of these, I'll be over the moon.
• 47:07
  I'm just going to play a business implementation manager
• 47:10
  here, which is. Next up is one of the
• 47:14
  ambassadors around the table. We have a rock man, Brute or
• 47:20
  Ogre scale, probably brute scale.
• 47:23
  We want rock texture, upper arms and legs.
• 47:25
  It can be armoured down below that, but you know, there's some
• 47:28
  different texture, almost like the thing but without being the
• 47:31
  thing. Bare hands and feet ideally, and
• 47:35
  you could probably use the turtle ones, use paints in the
• 47:38
  same colour as the rock texture stuff thing that work two
• 47:43
  different heads. I'd want to different heads.
• 47:45
  You have different types of rock people.
• 47:47
  So you can have one with like a not the thing, but that sort of
• 47:50
  patterning and then you have another one with just big slabs
• 47:53
  of rock or something like that to give you some, some options
• 47:56
  there. Lizard man, obviously I'm going
• 48:00
  to say that every time until we get some.
• 48:02
  I've been through it loads of times.
• 48:03
  Meso, American style armour ideally and ideally blue,
• 48:08
  definitely not green. I don't want a green lizard man.
• 48:10
  We've got green snakes, etcetera.
• 48:11
  This is the predictions episode Rich.
• 48:14
  Well, some of these might come true, so this is what I'm going
• 48:16
  for. As Mal said, it's really
• 48:17
  difficult. Now if, if we were doing the old
• 48:19
  mythos, the predictions were, you know, you could really net
• 48:23
  dial them in. Whereas this it's a bit like I
• 48:25
  don't know. Absolutely.
• 48:27
  And then lastly for me and Anthony House Seal, a fungi
• 48:30
  person. So I want a toadstool, toadstool
• 48:35
  type head. I want a second head but with
• 48:38
  little fungal growths at the top of it like you see with the
• 48:42
  toadstools and that sort of stuff.
• 48:44
  So when when you were like that was going back and forth in our
• 48:47
  chat with Anthony made me work, what would you think if that was
• 48:52
  an imp scale character, would that work for you?
• 48:54
  I would I take any sort of thing, I mean, in my head it'd
• 48:57
  be a dwarf scale sort of build, right in scale would work
• 49:00
  absolutely fine with that as well.
• 49:01
  I'd be quite happy. And then maybe you could use
• 49:03
  this Thoraxian scout armour for that sort of wood effect type of
• 49:07
  with a fungi creature. Cool, there we go.
• 49:10
  That's my predictions. Yeah.
• 49:15
  I I predict they're not going to do 2G cons in a row.
• 49:19
  Fish people, right? I only said one fish person.
• 49:24
  Yeah, but it it you didn't need a well cephalopod or gonna
• 49:28
  cephalopod. Person.
• 49:29
  Shark creation person. I could see us getting a
• 49:33
  cephalopod this year. Yeah, but not in the G Conway.
• 49:36
  How and maybe not the G Conway maybe more in the mid year wave
• 49:40
  like. Well, I think it gives.
• 49:41
  You've talked about. It gives you some continuity
• 49:43
  though, from the dawns of discovery, you know, but.
• 49:46
  Doesn't move anything on either though it.
• 49:48
  Does because you've got one of those, maybe two of those, and
• 49:51
  then you all these other types of creatures.
• 49:54
  This is why the other types of races would be good.
• 49:57
  Yes it does. They said, Jeremy, it does.
• 50:03
  I promise the meteor. Discussed Jeremy.
• 50:07
  Don't worry. The meteor wave that you've
• 50:11
  talked that we've talked about first moves things on more
• 50:15
  because you have Flock characters, you get brewed
• 50:17
  characters. You know, this is just like,
• 50:21
  it's like All Star Six with Necronominus, and I don't think
• 50:25
  they're going to do that again. You know, clever clogs.
• 50:28
  What have you got? Without getting offensive, what
• 50:34
  have you got? Yeah, it's, it's very, it is
• 50:36
  very, eh, like in saying that I, I am only eh, criticising you
• 50:40
  for the sake of the podcast because it's fun.
• 50:42
  As I said, if I get 2, three of those right, I'll be quite
• 50:46
  happy. And at the same time, it is much
• 50:48
  easier to just say what we're not going to get than what we
• 50:51
  are going to get. So, so I, I think that has to be
• 50:54
  appreciated, eh? So there's room for everyone at
• 50:58
  our table. I think that's hinting at a
• 51:00
  diversity of characters. So I had said a long time ago
• 51:05
  that that I, you know, one of a dream way for me would be like 1
• 51:10
  character from every faction for example, you know?
• 51:12
  Which is kind. Of a thing.
• 51:14
  Was trying to go with what I. So that's what I think it's
• 51:17
  going to mean something like that, more like that.
• 51:19
  So maybe like a Fellowship of the Ring type of thing or a
• 51:24
  Covenant of Shadow 2 type of thing where where some meeting,
• 51:28
  I like Mal's idea of the, you know, we're going to maybe see
• 51:31
  the meeting to maybe not the meeting with like Coy and all
• 51:37
  those guys. You know, there are the people
• 51:38
  from the Golden Guild ship. But maybe the meeting after that
• 51:41
  event has happened and it's like, OK, they've sailed or no,
• 51:46
  no Feeders and Delphine have gone, they've sailed off and
• 51:49
  then it's back together. What do we do now, guys?
• 51:51
  You know, we can't just let those two too often their own,
• 51:55
  you know, maybe we have to have another plan.
• 51:57
  And and maybe that's how they get tangled up in maybe this
• 52:04
  incident that happens in the seas with the iron smile and
• 52:07
  that all kind of links together possibly is.
• 52:11
  There a chance if you did that though, that in theory you'd
• 52:14
  have to have all good characters because obviously the good
• 52:17
  factions won the war. Well, that's after that.
• 52:22
  I think there's got to be uneasy alliances in there somewhere
• 52:25
  because you can't just, they can't have just completely wiped
• 52:27
  out all of the evil in the realm.
• 52:30
  So it's either in hiding or some of them made uneasy alliances.
• 52:34
  And I think that way you get you can have some of the evil
• 52:38
  characters in amongst you good characters.
• 52:42
  Yeah, that is. That is definitely a problem
• 52:44
  with it, but room for everyone at the table means that.
• 52:48
  Yeah, good and bad. Yeah.
• 52:50
  I mean you could have maybe an orc if the orcs did revolt
• 52:52
  against Ara theory as part of that, so.
• 52:54
  There are things like that on there in the story that some
• 52:58
  could. You know, if you if you have a
• 53:01
  world that's under threat, you may be there's some sort of
• 53:05
  perceived threat, then it's in everyone's interest, good or
• 53:08
  bad, to maybe come together for a bigger idea.
• 53:14
  And then afterwards we can get back to scrap in between
• 53:16
  ourselves, and then there's all the tension in between that.
• 53:20
  So there you go, actually. Oh, you sabotage in my
• 53:25
  prediction. I love it.
• 53:27
  Maybe no, no, it's a kind of similar, but maybe the meeting
• 53:31
  you're is is actually well, hang on this huge dragon suddenly
• 53:35
  appeared. This is a bit scary.
• 53:36
  So maybe that's the meeting. And again, everyone in the, you
• 53:40
  know, in new mythos would be welcome at that.
• 53:43
  And that would be after they've set sail as well.
• 53:46
  So, you know, yeah. Well, that's quite a delay
• 53:49
  between anything I'd say with that.
• 53:51
  I like the idea now, but there's a delay, Jeremy said.
• 53:55
  From the the Golden Gill landing to the dawns of discovery,
• 53:59
  there's months. Like months and months and
• 54:00
  months in between. So it would be.
• 54:02
  So it would have to time with that somehow.
• 54:04
  So you could have like a fairly quick meeting.
• 54:06
  You have to go, well, we've been thinking about this dragon for
• 54:09
  8-9 months now. We're going to have a meeting
• 54:10
  about. It well it might be between that
• 54:12
  time. Maybe they can have a Teams
• 54:13
  meeting or a Zoom meeting. Maybe they can send a carrier
• 54:18
  pigeons. Maybe there'll be like a pack of
• 54:19
  carrier pigeons with little notes that you can you can do
• 54:22
  your own sort of things. That's true.
• 54:24
  It could take weeks to travel across Mythos to the meeting so.
• 54:32
  So. You could have them on the way
• 54:34
  to the meeting by some nasty things that are still in mythos.
• 54:39
  So I still I still think we're more likely to get ether on and
• 54:43
  Zylona in legacies, But I think this is this is another way we
• 54:48
  could get them is in the G con wave as part of this meeting of,
• 54:54
  you know, all the factions, so to speak, or some sort of uneasy
• 55:00
  collaboration between all the factions.
• 55:03
  So we get a you know, so when we're saying diverse here, I
• 55:06
  mean different factions, you know, they don't necessarily
• 55:09
  have to be, you know, Fishman, barbarian and ice.
• 55:13
  You know, it's not that sort of thing.
• 55:16
  So that's kind of the general idea for the G Conway for me.
• 55:22
  Other other very literal reading of it is maybe we're just
• 55:27
  getting a large Tavern diorama with a bunch of different
• 55:33
  characters and it's the story is just going to be of a session in
• 55:37
  the pub if. That's what we get, John.
• 55:40
  Have the camera on me again because it won't be the happy
• 55:42
  face that I have. Right, let's move on then.
• 55:49
  Do you, do you have any? Are you going on to Legacies
• 55:53
  now, Mallard? Probably, yeah, because it
• 55:55
  follows on from mythics, doesn't it?
• 55:57
  A bit, umm, I think we we. I also have some.
• 56:00
  Yeah. Eh, kind of random mythics, ones
• 56:05
  that aren't eh legacies. Oh, go for it.
• 56:09
  So I think I have. Or do you have a prediction for
• 56:12
  the touring figure? Oh yes, yes, that's a good
• 56:16
  shaft. Umm, yeah.
• 56:19
  So I think the touring figure is either one of two things.
• 56:27
  I think you get to choose one. OK Female 1.0 barbarian.
• 56:32
  OK, so that's exactly, that's exactly my prediction as well.
• 56:35
  So we're all three for female tour, I think 1.0.
• 56:38
  Very similar to the legendary barbarian, with different hair
• 56:43
  colours to reflect different. I would imagine a.
• 56:45
  Red hair, the red Sonya and that sort of stuff.
• 56:48
  And this the blonde lady using Conan and.
• 56:51
  And and now for entertainment purposes.
• 56:54
  What was your other choice that doesn't count as your
• 56:57
  prediction? Female valiant night.
• 57:01
  Yeah, because no, that's not that's based.
• 57:04
  On the whole, I've said a name once already and I've got what
• 57:10
  he was, you know, Vina can't Delfina kind of like they did
• 57:14
  through low. Look what the Knights are going
• 57:16
  to be like. He's a Valiant knight to, you
• 57:19
  know, in a similar way they've done that.
• 57:21
  I could see them doing a female Valiant Knight to oh look at
• 57:25
  what the arm is like and get everyone excited.
• 57:27
  So. Yeah, yeah, it's definitely a
• 57:30
  possibility. But I, I, I don't think, I don't
• 57:34
  think. Maybe I just don't want to.
• 57:36
  I don't know. To be honest.
• 57:39
  So you know what so rich? What would you like it to be?
• 57:45
  Oh see, I'm so clue zoomed in on it being a female Barbara, I
• 57:49
  didn't really give any other thought.
• 57:51
  OK, another ninion of some variety.
• 57:54
  OK, that'd be cool. OK.
• 57:58
  Right, let's move on then to legacies of.
• 58:01
  Right. So I think we get 4 this year
• 58:05
  again and I think I think xylone or ether on will be in legacies
• 58:12
  OK. I also think we get Malachi
• 58:16
  cinder horn and I actually wonder if we'll just get a redo
• 58:22
  of Ravenna. I know she doesn't necessarily
• 58:26
  fit, but she it. I'm thinking that verse.
• 58:30
  Is I know Kevin Boots will be happy and then that would make
• 58:33
  me happy and Rich being unreasonably upset.
• 58:37
  So that would be like the mother lode there.
• 58:38
  That would be a. Great do not make you a great
• 58:40
  week. You to say that force and a
• 58:42
  pandering to me. If we get a female barbarian,
• 58:45
  maybe the version 2 Ravenna, they're rebelling.
• 58:47
  They're not landing to me at all.
• 58:49
  You need to balance out the force, you know?
• 58:51
  Yeah. But I was just thinking in terms
• 58:54
  of that, you know, versus so if we get in Malachi Syndhorn, we
• 58:57
  need and there are the male elves in or, you know, the elves
• 59:02
  in, but I don't think they'd do that because they'd be too
• 59:04
  similar. But yeah, and I just, I don't
• 59:08
  know, I just get this feeling we're going to get version 2 of
• 59:11
  Malachi at some point. Not a bad shout at all.
• 59:16
  Yeah, Rich, what have you got for legacies?
• 59:19
  So I think, I think we might get 6 figures this year.
• 59:23
  Umm, they're going to redo all the fishermen that they hadn't.
• 59:27
  They'd like to be 6 this year, Prince.
• 59:30
  So Galleron takes off his helmet, and he's a.
• 59:32
  Fish. That would be amazing.
• 59:41
  You're so easily pleased. Really.
• 59:44
  I mean, you're easily, you're easily disappointed as well, but
• 59:48
  you're so easily pleased. Yeah, I'd often go I'm like no
• 59:52
  brilliant element. OK.
• 59:56
  So I think they'll stick with the faction versus faction sort
• 59:58
  of thing as they did this year. So if if they decide to go block
• 1:00:05
  versus brood, I think for the flock we'll either get a stereo
• 1:00:11
  on in a brute scale, so more heft to the mine at all, or we'd
• 1:00:17
  get on steel hide. I think he's a right for
• 1:00:21
  reading, as Miles said, you know, give him slightly longer
• 1:00:23
  limbs, less armour, an unhelmeted head, all that sort
• 1:00:27
  of stuff. And then from the brood side,
• 1:00:29
  it's got to be cup atheists because that's the worst vampire
• 1:00:32
  figure they put. That's a good shot, actually,
• 1:00:35
  yeah. So yeah, better armour, a new
• 1:00:37
  head sculpt again, back to the long creepy fingers that I
• 1:00:40
  described earlier for Harpy. Yeah, so he'd be a good shot.
• 1:00:46
  Another option for faction versus faction.
• 1:00:50
  Balaam for convocation and do a new head.
• 1:00:56
  Not that head again. New head flocked as well with
• 1:01:03
  the bare arms option. Even I didn't predict that,
• 1:01:05
  Yeah. And then for the for the circle
• 1:01:08
  Epoxus to be against him as it were Zarya.
• 1:01:13
  So I think more of a scaled look to the the the the top flesh
• 1:01:16
  rather than the smooth sort of look.
• 1:01:19
  Change the head up a little bit so it's less obviously like Azar
• 1:01:22
  and Azar meaning it's a female version of that at the moment.
• 1:01:25
  Let's change that up a little bit.
• 1:01:28
  And then some sort of like wicked evil looking weapon of
• 1:01:31
  some sort as well. And then the other two, I think
• 1:01:35
  we'll get a Xylone and ether on, but they can't put them out too
• 1:01:40
  far before the reign of the beasts.
• 1:01:42
  So they can't do them like mid year this year and then you have
• 1:01:45
  to wait end of the year, 15 months.
• 1:01:48
  Whatever it is. For the Lee, Odysseus and any
• 1:01:53
  other lady you've forgotten. The Basilian.
• 1:01:56
  Basilian Thank you. Yes.
• 1:01:59
  So then I was thinking, well, maybe they could do them at
• 1:02:00
  Legions Con. And I was like, but if you do
• 1:02:02
  them at Legions Con, there's going to be, there's going to be
• 1:02:05
  like exclusive bits, even if it should one exclusive bit and
• 1:02:08
  people may lose their minds. For those a big.
• 1:02:11
  Character like that happened in an exclusive bit that they can't
• 1:02:13
  get sort of thing. Yeah, I agree.
• 1:02:17
  So that's why I think those two might actually carry on into the
• 1:02:20
  start of next year. Yeah.
• 1:02:23
  And we'll have the other 4. What?
• 1:02:25
  What would you think about just exclusive packaging for
• 1:02:29
  allegiance? Khan being the exclusive bit of
• 1:02:31
  it for a character like that. I don't think they'd do that
• 1:02:35
  even I think. No, I don't think people would
• 1:02:37
  go for that. It's just like, well.
• 1:02:39
  No, but they go for it just because they want to get the
• 1:02:41
  figure. I think really, I guess.
• 1:02:44
  Yeah, they wouldn't be an element of an exclusive
• 1:02:46
  exclusivity to it. I might do.
• 1:02:50
  You might be right, yeah. You know, it'll hit those guys
• 1:02:52
  and then the rest of us won't care.
• 1:02:54
  But we don't care anyway. Really.
• 1:02:56
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:02:58
  And and it's kind of it's not going to really annoy people too
• 1:03:02
  much. I mean, there is inbox people,
• 1:03:06
  but not as many in this line, I don't think, right.
• 1:03:09
  And my legacies, I can't can't. I was looking at them and I was
• 1:03:15
  like, I can't believe they haven't said these.
• 1:03:18
  Ford, aren't you? I think he'll be a version too
• 1:03:24
  and like a later on version of Ford.
• 1:03:27
  Versus Malleus. So in the in the kind of versus.
• 1:03:31
  I definitely think we need. We 100% need a new Malleus, but
• 1:03:36
  we had Scaphoid last time so I think they'd avoid that faction
• 1:03:40
  this year. Possibly here do.
• 1:03:42
  You think? I think so because he was on my
• 1:03:44
  list of like Poss possibilities, but I think just because we've
• 1:03:47
  had just had a congregation of neck anonymous figure, I think
• 1:03:50
  they probably try and get the other factions in first forward.
• 1:03:55
  We're definitely going to get again, but I think it might be
• 1:03:57
  like a proper V2 probably in the G con wave and we none of us are
• 1:04:01
  predicting it, but like you know, an older, more backward
• 1:04:06
  board sort of thing rather than just a reworking of the one.
• 1:04:10
  That's not a bad shout because the dwarfs feel like they are
• 1:04:13
  ones. You could give a story behind
• 1:04:17
  them coming back better, the great, the good side of the
• 1:04:20
  grave, a mountain and all that, couldn't you?
• 1:04:22
  But. Yeah, I mean the other option
• 1:04:27
  for a dwarf is eh Orange Delight, which you guys have
• 1:04:29
  predicted more in the as a version 2 rather than the
• 1:04:32
  legacies, but. I know, Rich, like I said.
• 1:04:35
  Did he? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:04:36
  Legacies. Which are?
• 1:04:37
  Yeah. In some ways I'd prefer him to
• 1:04:39
  be legacy because we'll get him sooner than if he's in UMM.
• 1:04:43
  Already probably. And then my other two, Balaam
• 1:04:47
  good man and Sir Galeron, not a versus as such, but I think
• 1:04:54
  Galleron is more. He seems to be a popular
• 1:04:57
  character, doesn't he? And.
• 1:04:58
  He's also isn't there potential for him to be evil?
• 1:05:03
  He's. A bit.
• 1:05:04
  Yeah, he's a bit. Maybe they possibly faction,
• 1:05:08
  yeah. Oh, I'll be interesting.
• 1:05:11
  But he to expect one team revenge, doesn't he?
• 1:05:13
  So yeah, on whoever killed his family or whatever killed.
• 1:05:17
  Somebody, as long as he comes down, helmets his shark head,
• 1:05:20
  I'm happy. And I said it already, but Ether
• 1:05:23
  and Zylone are the kind of outside pick for legacies, but I
• 1:05:26
  think we get them some way shape or form this year.
• 1:05:31
  OK, and so anymore mythics stuff I can chat at random, stuff I've
• 1:05:42
  said we will get at least we'll get at least teased with a new
• 1:05:48
  dragon this year. Do you think a new.
• 1:05:51
  Like a colorway with maybe a new head or something, but just a
• 1:05:54
  tease. So like maybe like last slide
• 1:05:57
  that you G gone that kind of thing.
• 1:05:59
  Yeah, I don't think we will. No, I think, I think until
• 1:06:03
  they're the 1 lands they're not going to even start teasing
• 1:06:05
  anything else. And I also put the revenant is
• 1:06:10
  going to sell out at the in stock sale and people are going
• 1:06:13
  to lose their minds. It's going to be the the one
• 1:06:15
  that just goes. And that's why when you said you
• 1:06:17
  were going to pick up 3:00 AM, I'm like, no, you're not.
• 1:06:21
  Surely they'll have ordered tonnes of them?
• 1:06:24
  No, I don't think so. I think this was all settled
• 1:06:27
  before legions gone. You could now, right?
• 1:06:31
  I'm sure there's more of him than the 2.0.
• 1:06:35
  Oh yeah, no Dash. But I think people will go crazy
• 1:06:39
  for him. So that's, that's another, it's
• 1:06:44
  just a small prediction. I'm going to double down.
• 1:06:49
  Or do we have a RPG Kickstarter? Yeah, I got a couple of weeks
• 1:06:54
  we. Could move on to our.
• 1:06:55
  Let's go on to that one. You go for that then now.
• 1:06:57
  So I think RPG will fund in a couple of weeks.
• 1:07:02
  I think it will fly because I think the people who are into it
• 1:07:07
  are really into it and I think there's actually probably going
• 1:07:13
  to be more people than we realise.
• 1:07:14
  But also then besides those who are interested in the RPG,
• 1:07:18
  there'll be people who just want the figures as well.
• 1:07:20
  So I think it's going to do really well and fly I.
• 1:07:24
  How do you think they're going to do the break up between that?
• 1:07:26
  Because obviously if they do the figures and the RPG is worn and
• 1:07:30
  they sell like 2 million, $2,000,000 worth of figures and
• 1:07:34
  100 grands worth of game. That's, you know, can we produce
• 1:07:38
  the? Other game.
• 1:07:40
  Yeah, yeah, I think. Well, let's look, let's lower
• 1:07:42
  the numbers then. But we know, could it get to the
• 1:07:44
  point where they're like, can we even afford to produce the game?
• 1:07:47
  Because I think, I think most of the money's come for the figures
• 1:07:49
  rather than the game. I think they love to structure
• 1:07:51
  it in the way, yeah. That's, I think, enough to
• 1:07:54
  structure it somehow. So there's.
• 1:07:55
  Got to got to remember they're trying to it is a book that
• 1:07:58
  producing essentially. So the cost of that isn't quite
• 1:08:01
  the same as. I mean I can do mini girls.
• 1:08:06
  And the minis and all that, but they're separate costs for all
• 1:08:09
  of that that. So I reckon you'll find they do
• 1:08:14
  a book the minis or a set of the book, the minis and and or the
• 1:08:22
  figures, the book, the mini, you know, it'll be like an all in or
• 1:08:25
  this of this or this or this. And they'll they're at the point
• 1:08:30
  where I bet you with that, maybe not the figures, but the the
• 1:08:35
  book and the minis. I bet you they'll get they're
• 1:08:39
  ready to just send them into printing or, or what would you
• 1:08:45
  call it but a casting for the minis.
• 1:08:49
  Actually, I mean, it depends what the minis are made of as
• 1:08:51
  well, doesn't it? It's not.
• 1:08:52
  Again, it's not like they have to worry about all the tooling
• 1:08:55
  in the same way. It's generally a, a solid single
• 1:08:59
  piece. Yeah, I think injection moulding
• 1:09:03
  you should, I suppose it all is injection moulding, but they're
• 1:09:06
  not then worrying about does that bit of injection moulding
• 1:09:08
  fit that bit of injection moulding.
• 1:09:10
  And yeah, they probably will. They're probably using the same
• 1:09:14
  factories thinking about it. So I think, I think the costs
• 1:09:21
  were the, and you've also got to think they're going to then want
• 1:09:26
  to also have a product to take on the road and sell after the
• 1:09:30
  fact. So they'll produce, they'll over
• 1:09:32
  produce. They're not going to just
• 1:09:33
  produce as much as the Kickstarter sells.
• 1:09:36
  They're going to want to produce enough to be able to sell stuff
• 1:09:38
  afterwards. Because this has got a different
• 1:09:41
  audience as well, hasn't it? And not all of that audience is
• 1:09:45
  necessarily going to become aware of it straight away.
• 1:09:48
  So there's probably an amount of marketing needs to be done in a
• 1:09:52
  different way and different. So there you go.
• 1:09:56
  They were affiliate Philadelphia, was it
• 1:09:58
  Philadelphia Games Expo, which isn't something they would
• 1:10:00
  normally do, but they were there primarily for the for the RPG.
• 1:10:04
  The figures just going along as well because they're part of
• 1:10:07
  what's going to be available and they might get a few more people
• 1:10:10
  who want to buy the figures. They this is the RPG they're
• 1:10:13
  selling. The figures are just because
• 1:10:17
  their original target are toy collectors.
• 1:10:21
  Yeah. Umm.
• 1:10:23
  So yeah, I don't think they're, I don't think they'll, they'll
• 1:10:27
  be worried about underselling on the RPG, on the game, the books,
• 1:10:31
  the book of the game. Yeah, it's hard to know the way
• 1:10:36
  it's structured. So what's the prediction there
• 1:10:38
  in the end then? So I think it will, eh, it'll
• 1:10:40
  fund in a couple of weeks, OK. And then it would trouble like
• 1:10:44
  2. You don't know how long it's
• 1:10:47
  going for. No Umm, it's usually but
• 1:10:51
  Kickstarter they usually go for a month, don't they?
• 1:10:55
  Yeah, month and six weeks isn't. It yeah.
• 1:10:56
  So I think half the time basically at most, I think,
• 1:11:03
  well, now we've talked about the fact that elf will come with
• 1:11:06
  alter with a character pack. It might be that especially with
• 1:11:11
  the colours of the elf, I think that we get the evil character
• 1:11:16
  because in DND, and I assume this will carry over to the RPG
• 1:11:21
  because why wouldn't it? You've got three types of
• 1:11:26
  alignment. You've got good, evil, neutral,
• 1:11:31
  and then you can be versions of lawful chaotic.
• 1:11:37
  No, not love. Oh, I can't remember what they
• 1:11:40
  are off the top of my head at the moment, but it's like pure
• 1:11:42
  evil, you know, lovely evil chaos.
• 1:11:46
  OK, definitely. Anyway, regret the.
• 1:11:48
  Emirates show No, there's no yeah, I.
• 1:11:49
  Think you're getting one and and and I wonder this is the this is
• 1:11:55
  the if I get it right, we may not because it's AD and D
• 1:12:01
  property, but it does mean you could easily convert it.
• 1:12:04
  I wonder if we'll get the rules for our can for the RPG.
• 1:12:09
  I think so, and it makes sense. Characters designed specifically
• 1:12:14
  for the RPG. Yeah, why do you think he's
• 1:12:17
  coming out before the RPG? No, no, no.
• 1:12:20
  But I that might not be with the actual.
• 1:12:22
  No, but why do you think he's been solicited before the?
• 1:12:24
  Oh, why? Oh yeah, Yeah.
• 1:12:26
  Well. I mean, there's as a bunch of
• 1:12:28
  reasons why, but I think that. DND fans get their eyes on the
• 1:12:31
  product and yeah, yeah. So that's my little RPG
• 1:12:36
  predictions. OK, Rich.
• 1:12:39
  Mine are very short because I'm not AD and D person so I had to
• 1:12:42
  Google what even the character types were.
• 1:12:44
  Unfortunately, we'll get a barbarian warrior of some sort
• 1:12:48
  as one of the the extra figures, and then an evil female sorcerer
• 1:12:52
  of some sort. Very good.
• 1:12:54
  That's it. That's it.
• 1:12:56
  Glad you're not managing the campaign.
• 1:13:00
  We'd have many, few as. Manage I got I got to focus on
• 1:13:03
  my creative energies on that the year and G Conway.
• 1:13:05
  So I can't be like, you know. Right.
• 1:13:10
  This is obviously stab stab in the dark because don't know the
• 1:13:14
  funding level. Is the funding level going to be
• 1:13:16
  based on the figures or the game?
• 1:13:18
  Assuming it's based on the game, the figures are add-ons.
• 1:13:21
  I think that the Kickstarter will fund in the 1st 24 hours no
• 1:13:25
  problem. That's my guess on that.
• 1:13:29
  Doubling down on my Dragon Kickstarter prediction that was
• 1:13:32
  wrong last year. I think then in terms of
• 1:13:37
  figures, I think we get a magic user.
• 1:13:39
  So like wizard or, you know, some sort of a mage, the 3D, you
• 1:13:46
  know, cloak and kind of classic, yeah, the whole thing, you know,
• 1:13:50
  barbarian definitely of some sort.
• 1:13:53
  Bruiser might not, might necessarily be a barbarian could
• 1:13:56
  be like a, you know. Rockman.
• 1:14:00
  Kind of like a good orc or you know, yeah, Rockman, but some
• 1:14:04
  kind of a bruiser figure. Yeah.
• 1:14:07
  Dwarf I definitely think will come in the campaign somewhere.
• 1:14:11
  You know, I think people that are into dwarfs are into RPGs.
• 1:14:17
  I think. I think it's kind of a there's
• 1:14:21
  definitely a line there. You know, if you're really into
• 1:14:25
  the kind of dwarf type character, you've probably you
• 1:14:29
  know, you're probably heavy into this type of stuff and then a
• 1:14:32
  long shot prediction might be that long shot, but for a
• 1:14:37
  character type is a thief slash bird, because I think Jeremy
• 1:14:42
  especially that is his type of figure.
• 1:14:45
  I think he's mentioned that numerous times that, well, the.
• 1:14:48
  Elf is the rogue, the thief, so. Yeah.
• 1:14:50
  Could I understand that? Yeah.
• 1:14:52
  Could it be that the alternative character pack is the Bard
• 1:14:55
  version of it? The other maybe?
• 1:14:57
  Other species though, singing. And maybe singing Big cat John
• 1:15:02
  flock. Big cat singing.
• 1:15:04
  Bird. Singing Bird Yeah, that would
• 1:15:08
  actually make sense, right? And Armoury.
• 1:15:12
  Do we have any predictions around the armoury?
• 1:15:14
  I actually didn't think about that and I.
• 1:15:16
  Didn't think of the armoury. No, there were more parts in the
• 1:15:18
  deadline. This year and I don't think so,
• 1:15:20
  I think it worked out nicely this year in terms of selling
• 1:15:26
  out is always good. I know that would have ideally
• 1:15:29
  liked more to get them to the end of Legions con, but I think
• 1:15:34
  yeah, I'll check a quick. Prediction in I think because
• 1:15:36
  we'll have more parts by then, we might have a dwarf and
• 1:15:38
  goblins. OK, parts.
• 1:15:41
  That I would, yeah. Yeah, I might not what I
• 1:15:44
  predicted. Based on last year, yeah.
• 1:15:47
  Predicted for the army, build a dwarf and an alternative or
• 1:15:55
  option for that is build creature characters would be.
• 1:16:00
  A. Very long shot might be the down
• 1:16:03
  the line, maybe when we have more creature parts even than we
• 1:16:07
  have today. OK, and what are we on to now?
• 1:16:12
  Cosmic legions. Yeah, let's take.
• 1:16:14
  So, mythics done. Yeah, everybody.
• 1:16:17
  Yeah, OK. It's just reading through his
• 1:16:20
  novel. Checking my notes, I'm thinking
• 1:16:22
  there's another mythic thing. OK, well, if.
• 1:16:25
  There isn't a no, no, OK, We've got cosmic figure, Obscure and
• 1:16:28
  cosmic, Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:16:30
  Cosmic. And the graveyard stuff, if we
• 1:16:33
  want to have a guess at that. So Cosmics, I think we
• 1:16:36
  definitely, we get, we get book 3 of Ox Crew this year, don't
• 1:16:39
  we? I think we get another MOTU
• 1:16:43
  tribute in Ox Crew. And I think I've said it before
• 1:16:46
  and I'm saying it again, we're getting mosquito because if
• 1:16:50
  people don't look at that high, low Korean helmet and see a
• 1:16:52
  mosquito head, there's something wrong with them.
• 1:16:57
  How did they do the the goop or simulate the goop?
• 1:17:01
  They just make it very. I don't know that they need to,
• 1:17:04
  because it's just very glossy, I suppose.
• 1:17:06
  Yeah, they could just paint it red, I suppose.
• 1:17:08
  I don't know. That's a good question, whether
• 1:17:10
  they've bother. But I suppose it is something
• 1:17:12
  that people hold quite dear about that character, isn't it?
• 1:17:15
  I. Mean they don't have to do the
• 1:17:17
  goop, but it's to represent it somehow.
• 1:17:20
  Yeah, well that you just the way you painted it and it would be
• 1:17:24
  effect. I'm trying to think what parts I
• 1:17:26
  could I could use a translucent chest piece that could be quite
• 1:17:30
  cool. You know, like.
• 1:17:31
  The bit, yeah. I think we get Fraxian leader of
• 1:17:38
  some kind. I actually I'd like it if it was
• 1:17:41
  brute scale. I don't know if it will be,
• 1:17:44
  could be ogre scale because we've got the, you know, the
• 1:17:47
  that lizardy kind of texture for that and that would set him
• 1:17:53
  apart. He'd be a big guy and see why he
• 1:17:55
  was in charge of the Thraxians. We're going to get the final two
• 1:18:00
  members of the Ox crew. I think one will just be another
• 1:18:05
  whatever in the Velocx suit because at the moment all four
• 1:18:09
  of them have different sizes and shapes.
• 1:18:13
  So what colour suit then? Ask a question.
• 1:18:18
  What have we got? We've got flu.
• 1:18:20
  It's got to be like one of the primary colours, like green or
• 1:18:22
  red. Got to be green or something,
• 1:18:24
  doesn't it? Yeah.
• 1:18:24
  Or green, Yeah. Because I think we got another
• 1:18:27
  all of our sized character as well, not maybe with the big
• 1:18:31
  head, but you know, a little because that's so popular.
• 1:18:33
  I wouldn't. It depends on whether it was all
• 1:18:36
  decided before or whether they were like, well, we could tweak
• 1:18:38
  this and do this and. Well, they need to reuse those
• 1:18:41
  pieces again, I think, isn't it? Yeah.
• 1:18:46
  Then I wonder if we get something Tusk related as well,
• 1:18:49
  because of course there was that suggestion the Tusk had gotten
• 1:18:53
  the I've. Got a message, haven't they?
• 1:18:56
  Yeah. I didn't think of that.
• 1:18:57
  So maybe we get another Tusk character or some description.
• 1:19:02
  We'll see. Though we I'm less sure of that
• 1:19:05
  because we've had the character packs.
• 1:19:09
  Another reuse of slug maybe? Maybe, maybe.
• 1:19:13
  Yeah, something like that does favour another a reuse.
• 1:19:16
  Slug for the first time. Maybe because, and he could be
• 1:19:20
  some kind of ship commander or something of some Tusk ship.
• 1:19:25
  But yeah. And I do wonder.
• 1:19:29
  I don't know where they'd fit it in though, but I wonder if we'll
• 1:19:32
  get a second cosmic wave, and if we do, I've got absolutely no
• 1:19:38
  idea what it'll be and I can't even begin.
• 1:19:41
  To no point even predicting. Yeah, Rich.
• 1:19:45
  So ideally people listen to my previous predictions because I
• 1:19:48
  did a much better job than the Russian ones I put down here,
• 1:19:52
  but here we go. So again, like Miles said, Knox
• 1:19:56
  book, Cox crew, book three we've got to get.
• 1:19:58
  We'll get the last two crew members.
• 1:20:00
  I think the communications officer who wants to be doing
• 1:20:03
  all the talking will be a female character.
• 1:20:05
  But using the orbar armour have a slightly smaller sort of
• 1:20:09
  build, quite a quite a small head as well, so it really looks
• 1:20:15
  dwarfed by the armour sort of thing.
• 1:20:17
  And I want something with multiplies and I want multiplies
• 1:20:23
  on the alien. He's well easily could do with
• 1:20:27
  some with them, you know, it could be anything can.
• 1:20:30
  Then the other crew member again as Mal said, using the the 1.0
• 1:20:34
  as it were buck for that I want 2 heads.
• 1:20:39
  I want to have a neck with two heads coming off it.
• 1:20:42
  I think you can work that into the armour so the neck wouldn't
• 1:20:44
  look weird. And personal preference.
• 1:20:47
  I don't think we'll get this necessarily unless I'm writing
• 1:20:49
  the G con. But tentacles for arms and feet?
• 1:20:56
  Tentacles last year as well. I keep banging on about the
• 1:20:59
  tentacles. I wouldn't be.
• 1:21:00
  Surprised if we get them at some point in the future, if not this
• 1:21:03
  year. I hadn't thought about a MOTU
• 1:21:05
  tribute when I mentioned him out.
• 1:21:07
  I've suddenly jotted down maybe Roboto and use that.
• 1:21:11
  Is that high low crane helmet? Yeah.
• 1:21:13
  I think that could work really well for Roboto.
• 1:21:15
  That's it. Could the Roboto tribute?
• 1:21:17
  Because I wouldn't be surprised if we got two this year.
• 1:21:19
  Could the Roboto tribute be them using the Veloc suit?
• 1:21:22
  It could easily couldn't. Well, there's the MOTU movie
• 1:21:26
  coming, so. And yeah, it does.
• 1:21:29
  Look a bit like the Biloxi, yeah.
• 1:21:33
  Yeah, nice enough. We'll get the Wasteland warlord.
• 1:21:37
  I think that's what they referred to him as.
• 1:21:38
  That's. The Thraxian isn't it?
• 1:21:40
  Thraxian leader is the wasteland warlord I think, wasn't it?
• 1:21:43
  I don't think it will be. I think it'll be separate.
• 1:21:45
  I think it'll be a separate thing.
• 1:21:46
  So I think it'll be I put down here a big hulking fat alien
• 1:21:51
  using the slog body. Fair enough.
• 1:21:54
  I think, you know, for the for the warlord, you want something
• 1:21:57
  just really big and you know, no nonsense.
• 1:22:00
  I think you'll come with a couple of guards.
• 1:22:02
  So one would be a big, big, tough looking dude.
• 1:22:07
  This goes against all my principles here, but shirtless.
• 1:22:10
  So like cosmic legs, but like a bare torso of some sort.
• 1:22:17
  And then like a big, it's a terrible way to describe it, but
• 1:22:20
  a big square head, it's like just a really big filled out
• 1:22:24
  alien head sort of thing. So it's, you know, the head's as
• 1:22:26
  wide as the torso almost did. It's like, you know, however
• 1:22:29
  that design would work. And then I think the other guard
• 1:22:35
  would be like a little skinny fella, So hopefully imp scale,
• 1:22:39
  but like a little alien, but really properly evil looking,
• 1:22:43
  maybe big eyes, lost sharp teeth, that sort of thing.
• 1:22:48
  I think we'll get another Thraxian, but I think this will
• 1:22:50
  be. You just describe an imp shark.
• 1:22:57
  I may well have done. Yes.
• 1:22:59
  Yeah, he's got, he's got a fin. Jesus.
• 1:23:04
  Christ, yeah, I think we'll get an anthraxian, but I'm thinking
• 1:23:08
  we might get an ogre scale Thraxian.
• 1:23:10
  That might be too much. Maybe we'll slog.
• 1:23:11
  But like, I was thinking like a, how do I put this politely, a
• 1:23:16
  not particularly intelligent Thraxian that maybe lug stuff
• 1:23:19
  around, but works for the new affiliation.
• 1:23:21
  So isn't part of the Thraxian. He works for the new the new
• 1:23:25
  guys. There's lots of carrying and
• 1:23:27
  lifting. And then we get another skate
• 1:23:29
  back of some sort. And it could either be a beast
• 1:23:32
  of burden to help your big lumbering Thraxian, or it could
• 1:23:36
  be like an attack beast for the warlord.
• 1:23:38
  It's a bit more of a nasty skate back.
• 1:23:42
  Kind of cool, sort of a beast handler.
• 1:23:44
  So he's got multiple, have some kind of Thraxing skate backs,
• 1:23:48
  that'd be kind of cool. OK, umm, I didn't go down the
• 1:23:53
  character route for this really. And I thought that Ox Crew 3 now
• 1:23:57
  will be solicited before the summer.
• 1:24:00
  So summer is July I think. So let's let's say in the first
• 1:24:05
  half of this year then and and I think it will be there will
• 1:24:12
  definitely be lots more reuse of the space suits given a popular
• 1:24:15
  there and DIO pieces. I think we get another DIO pack
• 1:24:21
  in it. And I think that would be the
• 1:24:25
  only cosmic religions kind of main release this year will be
• 1:24:29
  that and we might get a figure here and there from it.
• 1:24:33
  But I think that would be kind of the speed of cosmic will
• 1:24:37
  change to one wave a year. Yeah.
• 1:24:39
  Maybe, yeah. And that's all I have for in
• 1:24:45
  cosmic. So OK, we can move on to
• 1:24:48
  figuras. Yeah, that's what I've got next.
• 1:24:50
  And then the graveyard duvet notes after that.
• 1:24:53
  Infinity Legion in. Infoliations.
• 1:24:55
  Yeah, that's a real type of tricky one.
• 1:24:57
  I was trying to think, oh. No, I've got OK figure.
• 1:25:01
  Yeah, figure. I think we're going to get less
• 1:25:03
  figure this year. I think we might just get the 2.
• 1:25:07
  I think I've gone the other way. I've gone for.
• 1:25:09
  Right. I think we get another God and I
• 1:25:13
  think, I think we get the ghost to Christmas past this year.
• 1:25:18
  And I think that present, sorry, Christmas present, yes, yeah.
• 1:25:23
  I'm helping you, your predictions, what we're doing,
• 1:25:25
  Johnny said past 1. He said past.
• 1:25:28
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:25:32
  One more thing on cosmic, sorry to hijack.
• 1:25:35
  We get the comic this year, finally.
• 1:25:37
  I hope we do. I really.
• 1:25:38
  Hope. Yeah, we've got about me.
• 1:25:39
  Surely, Yeah, yeah. OK.
• 1:25:41
  Anyway, continue with your figure SO.
• 1:25:43
  That's it. Yeah.
• 1:25:43
  I just think we get the two this year.
• 1:25:45
  OK. Everything else Rich.
• 1:25:49
  I think we might get 4 this year.
• 1:25:50
  I think they're really as a company, They're really it
• 1:25:53
  sounds like inside knowledge. I don't, but it sounds like
• 1:25:55
  they're really enjoying dropping in stock stuff, you know, so
• 1:25:59
  they're conscious. There's lots of pre-orders out
• 1:26:01
  there. So drop in in stock is actually
• 1:26:03
  a pretty cool thing. So I think we'll get another
• 1:26:05
  Gods of Egypt character. I think it's going to be Secmet
• 1:26:09
  who's the lioness God of War. I think I did.
• 1:26:12
  I threw my box at Legions con so I don't can't save her some but
• 1:26:15
  I think she might have been on the 4th box which yeah she
• 1:26:18
  might. She might be next.
• 1:26:19
  She was, yeah. Yeah, so I think we'll get her.
• 1:26:23
  I think we might get a sneaky 1 here, another Journey to the
• 1:26:25
  West character. It's been a couple of years
• 1:26:28
  since you had the last one, but I think we might.
• 1:26:30
  And I think if we're going to get one, it'll be Pixie.
• 1:26:34
  OK, I'll be all about that. Let me know if we did.
• 1:26:38
  For the Halloween themed one I am going Creature from the Black
• 1:26:42
  Lagoon. It's probably because it's a
• 1:26:44
  fish type thingy and I'm slightly biassed towards that,
• 1:26:47
  but I think that'd be a really cool character.
• 1:26:49
  How it would work? Would definitely work, yeah.
• 1:26:51
  There's a lot of figures of it out already though.
• 1:26:54
  There are, I mean I might have gone down the vampire route but
• 1:26:56
  I think was because of the chance of going to get vampires
• 1:26:59
  at some point in. The skin about whatever what
• 1:27:01
  cryptids people would want, but was that going to be teased that
• 1:27:05
  too soon? I think that's.
• 1:27:06
  Probably further back because they they plan these so far in
• 1:27:09
  advance. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:27:11
  And then the Christmas one will be ghost to Christmas present.
• 1:27:14
  I wouldn't be at all surprised if it's a 2 pack though with a
• 1:27:17
  go to gross Christmas future too just because they skipped here
• 1:27:21
  so maybe to catch up a little bit.
• 1:27:25
  It also feels like there's not. You wonder what they could do
• 1:27:28
  with the Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come, or whatever they call
• 1:27:31
  it, a future. Because it's essentially the
• 1:27:34
  Grim Reaper, isn't it? And we've gone.
• 1:27:37
  How do they make that Maxillus? Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 1:27:42
  Let's say yeah, that maybe you're right.
• 1:27:44
  Yeah. But it doesn't have the right
• 1:27:46
  colour matching Cape the figures.
• 1:27:51
  Right, it look pretty. It looks fine, Yeah, Yeah, we
• 1:27:54
  look perfectly fine, right. I don't see a slot for for this
• 1:28:00
  one to to be put in and arrive on time, so it's definitely not
• 1:28:05
  correct, but Easter Bunny I just don't see a slack.
• 1:28:09
  Where? Would you love?
• 1:28:10
  That because the RPG thing I think will still be maybe
• 1:28:14
  funding to maybe just after the end of that, I don't know I.
• 1:28:17
  Was going to say, if the RPG, sorry John, the RPG runs up to
• 1:28:20
  like the end of March, a month and then he's the start of
• 1:28:24
  April, isn't it? So potentially squeeze the
• 1:28:27
  you'd. Want you'd want to two weeks
• 1:28:29
  sell it two weeks before Easter maybe to be on the nose of it,
• 1:28:33
  they have. Dropped them in the middle of
• 1:28:35
  things. Being on pre owned before
• 1:28:38
  though. Maybe, yeah.
• 1:28:39
  And then I do have a Monkey King revisited, Pigsie or Sandy.
• 1:28:46
  I think it's it's time if they're if they're going to
• 1:28:49
  revisit. That it's not optimistic they're
• 1:28:51
  going to do that. I mean, I wish like I'd love.
• 1:28:54
  I don't need any more gods of ancient Egypt.
• 1:28:56
  I know I'm in the minority there with I think they are popular,
• 1:29:01
  yeah. And and now that we've got a few
• 1:29:03
  of them, people will be keen to keep going.
• 1:29:05
  So, so I understand, but I'm done with them I think.
• 1:29:09
  Unless that's. Contemplated getting rid of the
• 1:29:11
  ones I've got to be. Yeah.
• 1:29:13
  They're just not. I don't know.
• 1:29:14
  I know. Same.
• 1:29:17
  And and then lastly, apart from OK, ghost of Christmas present
• 1:29:24
  isn't present. Yeah, and I think we'll get that
• 1:29:27
  to to put Clay placate the moaners.
• 1:29:31
  I think actually I've just thought, sorry John, again, if I
• 1:29:33
  don't say it now, it's going to drop off my head so I'm not
• 1:29:35
  interrupting to be awkward. But do you think they'll drop a
• 1:29:38
  teaser that suggests it's a Nutcracker and then they'll give
• 1:29:40
  us Ghosts Christmas present? Yes, to balance it out.
• 1:29:43
  The people that lost their mind over the last one, rightly or
• 1:29:46
  wrongly, will just, you know. Just to wind up The Nutcracker
• 1:29:49
  people. Definitely, yeah.
• 1:29:52
  And then Red Riding Hood and Wolfie is my other one.
• 1:29:56
  Love that and that's so good. That might be the autumn one
• 1:30:00
  would be so good yeah and like the Wolfie, there's two options
• 1:30:04
  obviously totally new or it's like a, you know, a wolf type
• 1:30:08
  companion type creature or the wind dodgy with the wolf head be
• 1:30:13
  a 2 pack. It would be expensive but I
• 1:30:15
  think people would buy and it's a way of packaging a 2.0 with
• 1:30:21
  the 1.0. Or they're trying to reuse some
• 1:30:24
  of the Garmin stuff. Maybe who know that.
• 1:30:28
  Then you got it. You got a 2 pack plus it's an
• 1:30:31
  ogre and. Yeah.
• 1:30:33
  I guess it might get a bit expensive at that point.
• 1:30:35
  Yeah, yeah. I think so.
• 1:30:36
  And I don't think Garmir, you know, will be released by then.
• 1:30:39
  So you know that I always think that's a bit of a strange one
• 1:30:45
  for such a big kind of figure. Yeah.
• 1:30:50
  So that's my figures graveyard. What do we got?
• 1:30:55
  Yeah, part of the reason I kind of think they might drop the
• 1:30:59
  figure is because they kind of cover the Halloween, you know,
• 1:31:02
  with the graveyard. And I think they might go for
• 1:31:05
  translucent skeletons this year. And funny you say about the big
• 1:31:11
  bad wolf, because I wonder if we'll get werewolves in the
• 1:31:13
  graveyard set this year because for the same reason.
• 1:31:18
  So I had werewolves down as my graveyard prediction.
• 1:31:22
  Oh. You do.
• 1:31:22
  There you go. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:31:24
  So I think, I do think we might get that and they'll stick with
• 1:31:27
  the skeletons because it's a fun.
• 1:31:30
  Yeah, there'll be the skelet translucent skeletons in the
• 1:31:34
  boxes this year, Yeah. Yeah, something like that.
• 1:31:36
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I. Think you 2 probably right but
• 1:31:39
  just be different. I'm going to go graveyards on
• 1:31:41
  graveyard vampires. Yeah, good equal cool one.
• 1:31:45
  Yeah, would you like vampire Night bodies like 2.0?
• 1:31:51
  Yeah, I love that body. So I'd Yeah.
• 1:31:54
  To do it on more like the Mali torso style of vampire body if
• 1:31:59
  they did it I think which doesn't OK press by that idea.
• 1:32:04
  No, no, no. I'm trying to think, you said
• 1:32:05
  Mali. I was like.
• 1:32:07
  Oh, Jacob Marley So you know the coat and the.
• 1:32:10
  Coats and that sort of stuff yeah, that could be good
• 1:32:12
  actually the. Traditional Count Dracula I.
• 1:32:14
  Guess no, that would work well, actually.
• 1:32:16
  Well, yeah. Right.
• 1:32:20
  Are we finishing off on Infinite Legions then or do you have
• 1:32:23
  more? Yeah, no, that would be well,
• 1:32:25
  I've got 1 legions con theory, but OK, it's not a figure.
• 1:32:29
  So the end engines, yeah. Spoiler he's kind of linked.
• 1:32:35
  So I think the first so with Ark and we know we're getting Ark
• 1:32:41
  and I think we get Torregas steel fist with him, which is
• 1:32:46
  his his minor tour bodyguard. And I think it uses because if
• 1:32:53
  you look at it, look him up, he's lower half isn't dissimilar
• 1:32:59
  looking to the Jersey Devils lower half.
• 1:33:03
  And then he's got a big minor tour muscular upper torso.
• 1:33:06
  I mean, he's meant to be like, you know, cow legs, but it looks
• 1:33:09
  a bit more like the, the, the Jersey Devil style of legs.
• 1:33:15
  And that would make him big as well.
• 1:33:17
  So I think we might get him. And I do actually think so.
• 1:33:22
  It's a bit confusing when you're looking up about the Dark Order
• 1:33:25
  because there's a dark, there's a dark barbarian, a demon
• 1:33:30
  mentioned, but it actually looks like they're not actually part
• 1:33:33
  of the Dark Order officially. So they might not be owned by
• 1:33:38
  Joe Manganiello. They might be DND so I wouldn't
• 1:33:43
  be surprised if we do get all four of the dark order at least
• 1:33:46
  for pre-order this year. Which means then the second ones
• 1:33:50
  will be the Manticore and which I forget what his name was and I
• 1:33:56
  forgot what the other the Tortuga.
• 1:33:59
  The total. Total, yeah, would be the second
• 1:34:02
  two. So yeah, that's my theory on
• 1:34:06
  Infinite Legions this year. So that's the whole infinite
• 1:34:10
  allegiance. Is is.
• 1:34:11
  Yeah, the dark. Order.
• 1:34:13
  Yeah, OK, Yeah, OK. We're not not all in January,
• 1:34:16
  not all in this neck I think we'll get.
• 1:34:18
  OK, you think there'll be too. Later down, yeah, yeah.
• 1:34:22
  Rich, what you? Got I think we're only going to
• 1:34:24
  get the one stuff that comes out in January.
• 1:34:26
  I think I think infinite allegiance is a slower, slower
• 1:34:30
  drivers. I think I'm well, I'm hoping we
• 1:34:35
  get crawl the total because that's an awesome looking
• 1:34:38
  character, but I could absolutely see Tora Gor steel
• 1:34:42
  face being done and then that would give you the body as well.
• 1:34:47
  Or you know you have the body then for a stereo if you're
• 1:34:49
  going to do the. That was my thing, the.
• 1:34:51
  Legacies 1. So yeah.
• 1:34:53
  So in that respect, that probably makes more sense.
• 1:34:56
  Takes less new tooling than then Arkan did so they can darken.
• 1:35:00
  He's like almost. Well, he's completely new
• 1:35:03
  tooling isn't he? Pretty much.
• 1:35:05
  So that one would give him a bit of a relief.
• 1:35:07
  They'd still be able to use 3.0 parts.
• 1:35:11
  So he matched dark and and he would be yeah, yeah.
• 1:35:16
  And a worst case scenario for me would be that we get one of his
• 1:35:18
  barbarian berserkers. I don't think we are getting
• 1:35:22
  that. No, I really hope now.
• 1:35:23
  Looked into it a bit more. OK, I I think I can't really add
• 1:35:33
  to the ark and thing, you know, I think we will get a couple or
• 1:35:36
  one or two of the other characters in, you know, in that
• 1:35:40
  whole thing that he has, you know, so, you know, take your
• 1:35:45
  pick from them. I would say I think man makes a
• 1:35:47
  good point on, you know, what parts might match up.
• 1:35:50
  So let's see. I think there's a lot of people
• 1:35:53
  saying the title. So I think that's maybe a wish
• 1:35:55
  listing more than anything, more than a, you know, grounded than
• 1:35:59
  anything else. To get him looking like you made
• 1:36:02
  it's so it again a completely new tooled figure to get it
• 1:36:05
  looking anything like him. Which you could really use as a
• 1:36:08
  certain character in the G Conway, just saying.
• 1:36:12
  Infinite Legion is so broad that it could literally be anything,
• 1:36:17
  so predicting on it is insane. And the only thing I could think
• 1:36:21
  of that might make some sense and has a possibility of
• 1:36:25
  happening is maybe crossing over Mexico on their own IP.
• 1:36:31
  You know, Mexico has their own IP, Gomez and all that kind of
• 1:36:34
  stuff. Maybe some sort of collaboration
• 1:36:37
  on that. So Gomez is kind of a bug.
• 1:36:41
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:36:44
  So maybe there's some crossover potential there.
• 1:36:47
  I don't know, though, because Mexico was pretty, you know,
• 1:36:51
  it's a toy company in the same scale as Horsemen and probably,
• 1:36:56
  you know, just as big at least. So, you know, I'm thinking of
• 1:37:02
  smaller guys. I mean, I don't know, small, I
• 1:37:05
  mean, John, but Manganiello is a big, eh, famous person, but he's
• 1:37:10
  not a toy person. So that's a, that's a perfect
• 1:37:14
  person to collaborate with. If it's that mould of, they've
• 1:37:17
  never made figures of those. Well, other than the minis of
• 1:37:21
  those. Characters.
• 1:37:21
  Oh no. Design was what they hadn't a
• 1:37:24
  link previously anyway, but that's a totally different scale
• 1:37:27
  and it's smaller operation than horsemen.
• 1:37:31
  I'm I wonder if, because they can't really go into the big
• 1:37:34
  company stuff, whether they find maybe a comic book, like an
• 1:37:37
  independent comic book and take up a couple of characters from
• 1:37:40
  one of those, you know, again, not a big way, so.
• 1:37:43
  This is where. Word for the comic.
• 1:37:46
  This is where armies of Ashmore Matt rods line could have maybe
• 1:37:50
  fit in if they hadn't have actually helped him get him off
• 1:37:54
  the ground himself. You know, maybe this is where it
• 1:37:57
  fits in to go forward to make things easier for him.
• 1:38:01
  So shipping and all that kind of gets taken out of being an issue
• 1:38:05
  for for that line. Maybe that's something.
• 1:38:10
  And then you could think of all the smaller companies that are
• 1:38:12
  at Regents gone or small or similar.
• 1:38:15
  So like plunderlings, a walk, galactic valour, odious, all
• 1:38:23
  these parallel universe, although those ones.
• 1:38:27
  Yeah, take your pick and get good.
• 1:38:29
  I think because they're similar scales with the exception of
• 1:38:31
  Lundlings, I think you might people might not be keen to do
• 1:38:34
  crossovers on that. Form of toys they they could do
• 1:38:38
  something there because they're more the human, the old classic
• 1:38:41
  human style. But again, they've got their own
• 1:38:44
  thing and they say. And then he got the Zolo stuff
• 1:38:50
  that kind of is taken care of at the Zolo Con anyway.
• 1:38:53
  But maybe to formalise that into an official thing of its own,
• 1:38:59
  maybe we didn't even beat. It's maybe right.
• 1:39:04
  For one For one. Pure engines con right.
• 1:39:07
  Let's go on a banger. You've nothing left, Rich.
• 1:39:10
  You're done. No, I'm done.
• 1:39:11
  Yeah. I think, I think as long as
• 1:39:15
  you're not filming and working any on anything, I think Mr
• 1:39:18
  Mangianello makes an appearance that next year's legions come.
• 1:39:23
  Oh yeah? Well, don't announce that
• 1:39:25
  beforehand so we actually have a chance to get tickets.
• 1:39:30
  That's good. As if he does, my wife won't be
• 1:39:32
  coming. Along with me.
• 1:39:37
  Remember, stay safe out there, everybody won't seem final
• 1:39:41
  destination you know predictions seeing in the future.
• 1:40:05
  The.