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Talks to the delightful Mark Cockram about his choice of The Horns of Nimon (4/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  prompted me, then if I should be saying this on their own, the
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  actual episode itself will prompt me to do all the time and
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  space was very early in 2020. Obviously the whole covid thing
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  kicked off and we're all sad at home and at one point it wasn't
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  clear what the pathway of this was going to be and it looked
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  really grim and it made me kind of evaluate Some would probably
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  argue, I should have slightly different priorities but maybe
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  if Al you ate, what I actually wanted to do and the one thing
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  I'd never really done was to watch all of Doctor Who in
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  order. So are my wife I'm going to do
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  it. I might as well.
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  Let's do a podcast because I've been out of the podcast going
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  for a while because I've taken time out because the the family
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  and stuff and I just decided I'm going to do this.
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  So I messaged Ian I said what do you think?
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  I sent him the little promo video.
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  They did for Matt Smith's first series and it starts to him
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  saying all of time and space every Star that ever was, where
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  do you want to start? And he's like, yeah, let's do
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  it. And I've been thinking about for
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  ages thinking, oh yeah, we call it this, but call it that he's
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  like yeah, let's call it all the time and space was like, but
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  yeah, of course, it's such a brilliant idea.
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  So yeah, it's just, it's worked out really nicely because he is
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  just really funny witty. Just a really just a lovely guy
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  and we and I would just seem to hit it off really.
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  Well, we've never actually met in the flesh.
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  You've done like loads. And loads of podcasts go.
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  We've never actually met face-to-face.
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  So I would be nice to do. What may be one one time but
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  yeah, it's just been a great Fun experience meeting.
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  Lots of different people and just chat in.
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  And, but that going back to my original point.
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  So I started blathering on it, felt like it was quite
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  therapeutic. At the time, it was, we were in
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  a locked away, in our houses, we couldn't go out, so it was A
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  chance to socialize, just chat and just it really it did.
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  So you know, wonders for my mental health, just being able
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  to chat while I did a hamster. That's exactly.
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  The reason I did hamster. It was it's all made to the
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  beginning of the pandemic. I am a social creature.
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  I couldn't see any of my friends ever, very isolated.
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  I just want to talk to people. Yeah.
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  And you don't know where that's going to end up.
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  Like if you told me, Me, I would.
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  Be in a relationship with somebody.
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  I'll podcast with you like my best friends now.
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  Yeah scoffs my Social Circle would have increased this March.
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  Yeah it's true. Pick it up our Mike and talking
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  about the horns of nylon. You know, if he mad, wouldn't
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  it? It's classic beauty of it and
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  that's what I love about it. I'm going to drop this into the
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  outside, you know, it's, yeah, it's worth people here.
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  Or what I could say is, welcome back to a hamster with a blunt
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  penknife the Doctor Who commentary podcasts, and that
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  was our little Prelude into ever.
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  So for I am here with the delightful Mark Cochran.
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  Say hello Mark. Hello Mark.
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  So you've just been talking for five minutes into this episode.
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  I have a bit. Yeah, sorry.
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  That's what about like I said. You didn't think that was going
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  in. You could have nothing is
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  excised for total prick. Ian, I love Been binging your
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  podcast and I love that sort of community aspect that you have
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  to the show and something I always try to bring to my poker,
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  so I've done. So yeah it's lovely to hear
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  people's stories obvious all natural Eco.
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  He is isn't it? You kind of get your audience
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  and then on social media you engage with your audience and
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  yeah really starts to cement his self.
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  Yeah you know you got to do what you might find it already.
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  I don't know. Do it all the time.
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  Space meet up, you know. Get everyone together Jesus.
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  Yeah. Can you imagine a while thinking
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  I'm doing our hands too soon? Yeah.
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  Well what I'm going to do is it's going to be on like a big
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  Zoom thing, you know. Okay, that way I think.
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  Wow God yeah. See me and Ian are too tight to
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  pay out for the premium, Zoom. It seemed just Skype that's
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  expensive and after getting the microphone and all this, I tell
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  me about up all the gear, no idea right now, Mark is in front
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  of me. With this extremely impressive
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  looking microphone headphones The Works.
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  He looks like a professional DJ. I'm sitting here with a Pop-Tart
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  a cup of tea but who does the better podcast?
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  I don't know.
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  We're here to talk about part 4 of the all-time classic, the
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  horns of nine-month. Glad you said that for a second.
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  Are you look like you didn't know why you were there?
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  It doesn't say very much to confuse me.
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  Now, I was like, oh, why are we here?
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  Oh yeah, hell, am I doing here? I'm just having too much fun
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  chatting with you, Joe. This is just the commentary is
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  just, you know, there's the icing on the cake, but we
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  probably should go into have so Focus.
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  Really thinks the night run today.
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  Exactly. Yeah.
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  The rest of the day, but Ramana the doctor and those cute.
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  Little kitty Winx are in terrible danger.
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  They really are. She's stuck on Christoph.
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  Now, she's about to be menaced by enormous, balls, and fabulous
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  horns. Yes, and Area.
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  Victoria water-filled slightly Faye dad in a gown.
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  That was the most understated thing.
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  You could have possibly have said, yes, pretty good.
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  Don't you think he's good? I think is really good.
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  Yeah, you know, he's it's a bit of a fact that's part.
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  Is that mr. Exposition from the alien
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  planet. Yeah.
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  Yeah. By age as a great job with it,
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  with what he's been given. Yeah, beryllium Lovin by all
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  accounts. This is the end of season.
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  And 17 is it's the end of an era, the end of grain Williams.
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  However it shouldn't have been. I'll July shot.
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  By the way. I never did ask you though
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  earlier. Yeah I do.
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  I love Douglas Adams. I think he was such a genius You
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  know, I've been doing commentaries on The Hitchhiker's
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  Guide to the Galaxy with soil, love it.
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  That's been an absolute Joy, underneath the production value
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  on that things, really surprised me.
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  Yeah, first time it was amazing. Hmm.
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  Now, I love Douglas Adams. It's just a shame, he died.
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  So young, you're such a Visionary.
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  Not just, you know, obviously it was a great width but he was a
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  very well-read. He knew quite a lot about
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  science. He was I think I'm sure I've
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  seen an interview. You with Stephen Fry, where he
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  said it was either him or Douglas Adams, he bought the
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  first Apple computer in the UK. Wow, they're both really into
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  their technology and he liked a lot of the Geniuses, like,
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  Boeing and others predicted. A lot of the stuff that we now
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  take for granted years years before it came along, by all
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  accounts. He was really Heather, like the
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  time with technology wasn't in, you know, that sequence in.
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  I think it's the Step aside of hitchhikers about the Babel Fish
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  and then it goes into the conversation about God and man,
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  yeah, I think that might be my favorite piece of writing and
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  science fiction ever, that just that little segment.
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  Mmm. It's the autonomously.
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  Very smart, very funny, and very thoughtful.
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  Yeah. And then, there's the whole
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  ecology thing that he got into as well.
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  He did something called last chance to see Adam if you were
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  aware of that. No.
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  So it was a book and I think they did a radio series on.
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  It with a wildlife expert called Mark our Dean.
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  And then, Stephen Fry did a TV version of it years later and
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  it's all about incredible species that are close to
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  extinction and trying to track them down.
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  And obviously trying to make people aware of their plight in
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  order to try and help to save them.
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  Brilliant. Such a great man, like and
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  circle it. Stop sahu because obviously his
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  three Doctor Who stories are fairly.
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  Well, celebrate is. Do you think he was a good
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  choice of script editor? Oh, well, he was Notorious for
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  not sticking to deadlines as a writer and I'm not entirely sure
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  he was possibly the most organized of people, but he had
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  a really good vision. And as much as people like to
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  talk about season, 18, being a season where hard science comes
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  in and it needs to Be much more believable.
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  I think Douglas had an eye for Science and put bringing a
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  degree of believability to the science of the the show or beer
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  in life tend to think is a slightly more fun package.
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  So, let's not talk about fun packages.
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  So much fun. You very much for inviting me
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  on. I should have said that it's
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  been a pleasure. You know, I'll just sit here
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  with fully weight of the invites beyond all time and space.
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  Alright, is there for you? Maybe we will have you on, I'll
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  give you a little insight into how much of a sad owner died am.
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  I don't know if it, I might have some kind of neuro thing going
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  on, but I went through a phase where I was like I need to
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  organize. So I've got guests lined up.
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  Rap till season 10 and we're only halfway through season.
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  You're joking. Yeah, I haven't got next week,
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  so it's yeah, yeah. You're doing about 30 podcast in
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  a week? Whereas, you know, where ambling
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  along you might get to season 8 by 2030.
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  If we're lucky, well, if you haven't got anyone for invasion
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  of the dinosaurs, I'm there for it.
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  All right. Okay, I'll have to look through
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  and see what we got, but we do, we like to mix people up as
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  well, so we like to get people from different podcasts button
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  together. So, oh, Pollinate.
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  Sorry. - yeah. Can you say she'll have really
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  handsome? No.
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  Yeah. How are you?
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  We take the best. That's why I've offered you to.
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  Come on. Come on.
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  You're Gonna Go Far in life. You probably already have a
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  were, here we go. We've got the Tom's sparkling
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  eyes again. So I think this is the episode
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  with all the great acting moments in are absolutely entire
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  city. Now look, will you do me a favor
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  please? Because I've got a surprise for
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  you. It were this is not the first
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  commentary I've done for the horns of nine.
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  Bob, what are you wait till now to say that Jack I could you
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  know it's basically how we outed could we weren't we weren't
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  going to be recording for a long time.
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  So you came out on that podcast. Came out years ago, right?
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  Honestly, I had no idea. You were gay.
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  Oh, really. Someone said to me the other
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  day, can you believe this? Oh really?
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  What does your wife think about that?
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  Well, I'm sorry. Well, couldn't hold it together.
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  I know why do you wear those clothes life?
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  Someone else, or you can tell him.
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  Please my friend Dan I shan't mention is turning my friend.
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  Dan. He's such a lovely guy as if
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  campers Christmas and very, very gay, his mum and dad had
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  absolutely no idea whatsoever. So he had to break it to them,
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  it was quite a surprise for them.
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  I've got a mate called Luke, right?
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  Yeah, so sorry we will talk about the holds.
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  No, that's okay. He's covered this already and
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  it's just Ramona running around some tubes.
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  And he's camps Christmas like you say.
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  Yeah and everyone was convinced he was gay.
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  His parents were so disappointed when he wasn't, he turns out
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  Eddie Eddie womanly hips as well, the hips.
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  And they will always definitely something just because your Camp
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  doesn't necessarily mean, you're getting.
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  He's bucking the trend. Yeah, love to Papa.
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  I never said they were absolutely.
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  Now, he's got three kids and a beautiful, French wife.
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  Yeah. Any word from the Lord.
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  I mean, he's taking everybody is not a steward knows the pilot.
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  Oh my God. He's never gonna wear this old
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  Toms playing with his group Attica normalizer again.
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  And so we just missed a bit where Soul deed starts laughing.
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  He does that crazy moon Oh, look out.
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  The point for telling you about the other commentary.
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  Is that in that one? I did something I'd like to do
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  it with you. I put well I mean it's quite a
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  different role play with heard you're gifted?
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  Oh well I like a bit of role-playing.
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  Yeah. Okay so when the time comes yeah
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  one of us gets to play Ramona. Gets to play soldi and it's
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  during his whole deficit know who you look like, oh, I'll be
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  Ramana. She gets all the best lines as
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  well as you know, it does. Yeah, stop it.
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  Okay. Okay.
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  All right. I'll probably go with the lines
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  wrong but it shall be the apotheosis of your podcasting
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  experience. This is where it all went wrong,
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  that Mike Huckabee's, jump the shark of your demons and he's
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  really lost his shit. Hey we're talking all over every
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  water-filled here. It seems narnun is gone.
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  Yeah. Oh, you look shocked out and
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  they cheese, but I do think these sort of wrote this or one
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  or two seen roles when you come in and give a great blob of
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  exposition. Yeah, our thankless and yet he
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  does it very he does. He's really good.
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  Ennis So he's already good. I acting in this role to tell us
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  that the night I want to have back been doing this across the
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  Galaxy. Mmm, taking gullible those
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  bastards. Yeah, from missing them, the
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  world, what would be your bait? Ian chips, probably and I really
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  I've got it. I've got it.
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  All right, I'll mention on the 91 so I'll just get my.
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  Okay, here we go. Oh look a bit less impressive.
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  Actually, when he comes down the tunnel tonight, I'm gonna
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  promise you all the missing episodes of Doctor Who.
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  Yeah. If you get me, some Hamachi
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  site, it's a deal. You go see hazy but don't don't
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  worry about bringing back all of them but there's there's you
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  know one or two that aren't I Don't worry, we haven't got the
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  space pirates. I reckon that might be one that
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  people look on differently. If we ever got it back a bit of
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  enemy of the world soar. Yeah, absolutely.
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  I got that coming up next in our recording schedule.
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  Anime that I think the smugglers in the Savages might be
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  reappraised. Yes.
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  Absolutely yeah. Yeah that's not see been with
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  his top off. Wow.
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  Excuse me, Polly's. Beautiful as well.
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  She is gorgeous. Not matter.
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  She's lovely. Radical.
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  We don't, not Polly. I'm Anika Wills.
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  Right? Nice, she take you to the
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  hottest nightclub in town. No.
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  She's ready to be local. So I was a fan event.
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  Oh, very kind stop for a photo and a changes.
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  Yeah, very nice lady. I saw a video of a in her house
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  with a load of maths pre power of the doctor.
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  Did you see that do? There are no sounds cool.
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  I don't think she'd ever watched it for a couple of years or
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  whatever she said, Oh my God. Sucking each one dry.
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  This script is full of double entendre Sino, absolute filth,
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  you get the discontinuity guy. When they were pointing all
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  these lines out, this section must have been enormous.
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  That's what he said. This is my most carry on
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  commentary yet, you know. Yeah, I'm so sorry, that's all
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  right. Is there any other kind of
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  anyway go to love that though? People come on in.
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  Get in the spirit. This you know how absolutely
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Wait, and we're not shy of a bit of Filth on our show, to be fair
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  to drop in here and there appear to be held with dr.
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  Ho, there's somebody phallic monsters and lines.
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  I'm glad they laid him out that way up because I don't want to
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  see that ripping his pants. Again Jesus, she touched his
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  face that. I think that that it was going
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  to collapse collapse. Again.
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  I think, you know, I think this is one of the few scenes in this
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  story that does have a bit of tension in it because her sort
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  of going out to a corpse my that, yeah, creepy.
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  Then she's here. Of our friends have been frozen
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  and yeah. Ready for the to be eaten and
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  here comes great crowden. This is great he holds up her
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  hands to say. Here's your tribute.
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  Yeah and they take the wind right out of his sails.
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  He appears a bit rubbish with a gun there.
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  She just kind of points it and well she's a bit rubbish
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  injections how dare I what how many of you seen now in?
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  Terms of sort of facial reacting to camera.
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  Yes. Who does bear G crowden here or
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  Derek Jacobi and Utopia when he turns into the master.
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  Oh that's a tough one to call. I think I think Graham crowns.
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  Eyes are about to pop out of his head is almost up there with Tom
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  Baker on that particular scene. I thought, I bet even Tom Ferry,
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  has been better. This is just a great moment.
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  He opens the egg. Oh no, it was late.
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  And I want to cut it when I can very quickly.
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  O my prophetic soul but on the whole you right, he's taking it
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  seriously. Even it's that one or two
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  moments there. The one that is odd but other
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  than that yeah, he's taking it seriously.
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  What do you do over the break down ever?
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  So one really good. Are you with a great tribute to
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  the libel? I know that's a very strange
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  thing to be. He said Does he know?
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  You just so alien, isn't he? He was like, you say, he was
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  born to play that part. There's not really any acting
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  required. Just turns up, you know, like
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  you do when you go to these conventions.
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  Yeah, and they have, you know, like Prestige name's Katie,
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  Manning Sophie aldred are your arms for the hundredth time.
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  Yeah. And you've got 91 on the left.
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  Is now ready for his photo call. Yeah, besides that there are a
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  few of these extras, you know? All that Platinum guy back for
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  nothing. It looks very cheap, just think
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  it's there's a lot of tubing I beg your pardon.
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  Allah is taking his hat off. Yeah.
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  What's his name on the forget? What my God.
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  It's gonna be a spy. So don't have like a zebra.
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  He's possibly the youngest person on the entire planet.
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  I think he might be you though. Yeah.
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  That I got these. These, I don't want to make the
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  inference, but they've got all these girls.
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  Hmm, I'm Hannah, what? There's no girls on a planet is
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  no. Have to make news gone on
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  somehow. But this whole sequence as a
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  live video right there shows you sort of desperate we're getting.
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  We're canines, leading them out, the maze-like, the dr.
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  Romano and a whole group of kids and canines just very slowly and
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  they're all following him from Corridor to Corridor and then
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  use it sort of going to do. Yeah, there's not much haste as
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  they're just so, you're clapping.
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  They're all very aware. They've only got, like, two
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  meters of corridor than you have to stop.
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  This to me is the Battle of ranskahov colos of this season,
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  because I don't think I've kodos was supposed to be the finale of
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  season, right? Okay.
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  It was resolution. Yeah, it's called resolution and
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  obviously, this wasn't meant to be the climax of 79, so this
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  being the penultimate story. It could afford to be a little
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  accidents. Conclusion, because the the
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  biggie was coming, you know, Time Lord, Business Time, known
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  criminals, Cambridge. And it all went to pot because
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  of a place. Cool clock.
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  Yeah, blowing up Benjamin on hang on.
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  Let's see if she'll up the weather.
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  Yeah, my wife of her PhD actually uni.
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  Is she really? Yeah, she is eccentric as she
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  seems. She said I didn't get to meet
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  her but she doesn't. She's one of those people
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  doesn't appear to have aged today.
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  Did you see her the Sarah, Jane Adventures?
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  Yeah, she was amazing. Incredible but soup, which is a
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  no Welly boots. And she goes, wait for me.
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  Oh, she's amazing. She was following him because
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  she was in. She can imagine floella
• 23:56
  Benjamin, being short in Resurrection of the Daleks, some
• 23:59
  thinkable, what was he thinking? Killing of Chloe Ashcroft, life.
• 24:06
  It's quite shocking at the time, it was.
• 24:08
  All right, we're gonna let the kids watch it this way because
• 24:10
  Chloe asked me, never sleep again.
• 24:20
  I will deliver. Plot Exposition going on here
• 24:24
  that hiding behind that Shield very unconvincing.
• 24:27
  Yes, it's a lumber past. The fact she's wearing that
• 24:31
  bright red coat and it shines straight through, not really
• 24:35
  helping very much again. We've already established, they
• 24:38
  can't see anything from peripherals.
• 24:40
  So you know, it's fine. It's Lala walls choice to wear
• 24:43
  that that you know the whole red red rag to a ball thingy.
• 24:47
  Yeah, I work so well. I mean it does but it does make
• 24:50
  them blind but yeah. Yeah.
• 24:55
  Oh, this is the bit. That way it goes, is I'll Sound
• 24:58
  the Alarm, don't worry Bert, the aliens over there for all the
• 25:03
  good work. He does in the exposition and
• 25:06
  just being a really, you know, sympathetic character his death
• 25:10
  scene. It's not the greatest.
• 25:13
  You got to say, well, I mean, in a story full of memorable guest,
• 25:17
  seems the copilot's trousers. I mean, we've got the best death
• 25:22
  to come when that's great. Well, yes, quite quite How can
• 25:26
  you tell it that it didn't get size line though.
• 25:30
  Today I have caught an everlasting cold.
• 25:33
  So is it true that he thought that they were going for a
• 25:37
  rehearsal take. But that, that was the take.
• 25:41
  What? Who John Bailey now when, when
• 25:44
  somebody dies G crowd, and thought there was a rehearsal,
• 25:49
  I'm sure I've heard they're told is true or not.
• 25:51
  What great story. I can we go.
• 25:55
  So again then love. That's it.
• 25:56
  Oh, that's it. Oh shit,
• 26:14
  isn't he? And that wonderful was no, Jane.
• 26:17
  Does Vince key. Oh yeah.
• 26:20
  Oh she called Jaden it isn't she?
• 26:21
  Yeah, Sophie And I'll never forget when Stephanie, Cole's
• 26:30
  character says to Jay, was it? Faith is the leap between the
• 26:34
  logical and the completely bloody ridiculous.
• 26:41
  It could be a reason why we're talking about waiting for God
• 26:44
  instead of the horns and I'm on it, possibly possibly.
• 26:49
  We've been invited to the 91 disco.
• 26:50
  Now we haven't talked about at all is the normal voices which I
• 26:55
  think are great. Yes, yeah.
• 26:58
  It's kind of very electronically treated they pop back, you know,
• 27:02
  for an audio appearance in season fear.
• 27:05
  That's right. Yeah.
• 27:08
  What do you think about there? Well, I feel like every it's
• 27:15
  true, you know, I'm going to my room with some aggressive man.
• 27:22
  I'll come over a bit peculiar, you know?
• 27:25
  Yeah. You know, you have this best
• 27:30
  deal side to you and I didn't use you pulled it out at me, try
• 27:34
  other thing that I was, right. Ramona coming out of an egg now.
• 27:39
  Now there's no creation myths going on here.
• 27:44
  Doctor, what are you playing at you.
• 27:46
  Oh shit. They are tall one.
• 27:49
  They they are they on high heels or so.
• 27:52
  There are Mega stacked heels. Yeah.
• 27:55
  Oh Seth got here we go. Do something useful.
• 27:59
  So, it's like that. It's down the lime on.
• 28:07
  I thought that's the one, but they're, you know, that
• 28:09
  wonderful thing that somebody put on Twitter.
• 28:12
  Did you watch it there? How many 91's disco ringing?
• 28:14
  Oh yeah, it's amazing. How many know what have you
• 28:19
  seen? It's funny.
• 28:25
  I've got an image EV you driving around with the windows down and
• 28:28
  stereo blasting that out. You don't need to.
• 28:31
  That's just downstairs in the living room.
• 28:33
  Yeah, fair enough. He's been put on notice, boy
• 28:35
  bands. Recently, I've been bottled in a
• 28:38
  household. This is a nice size.
• 28:44
  K9 prob, ah, I've got a canine, but It's like this big.
• 28:50
  I've got K9 Envy with some people.
• 28:53
  What size isn't everything? Joe and I, but I saw one,
• 28:58
  there's a fabulous top. So you got working probe eight
• 29:01
  hours. And I'm not writing by remote
• 29:03
  control. He does all sorts ding dong.
• 29:07
  Ding rice that then? Sorry I have heard that rumor is
• 29:11
  our there's yeah in Allendale in Newcastle I know Carlos story
• 29:18
  where I was at the weekend is a wonderful daughter who
• 29:20
  exhibition, right? Yeah, they've got Props from the
• 29:24
  70s and the 80s. They got a life-size canine in
• 29:27
  there. They had some costumes from
• 29:29
  season 17, they had I think it was a one of like the any Theon
• 29:35
  costumes. Nice.
• 29:37
  But where we go? Then I'm on be praised.
• 29:39
  Oh no, here's how many nine months have you seen today, how
• 29:42
  many diamonds he said he was the only one of his kind.
• 29:55
  This is the great journey of like, wow.
• 30:03
  My dreams of Conquest did someone order extra ham you
• 30:12
  times. You are brought This calamity of
• 30:14
  poverty, you brought it on yourself, you will die for your
• 30:20
  interference. Look at you, you got a dealer
• 30:26
  laugh. At the end.
• 30:28
  You are fools. You are doing and do
• 30:43
  Now that's what that's the sort of thing.
• 30:45
  You don't want your mom to walk in on, you know, it's like you
• 30:50
  say if you're trying to convince someone to watch Doctor Who
• 30:53
  there's no wouldn't necessarily be the starting point.
• 30:56
  But that said, friend of mine many, many moons ago.
• 31:02
  Now there's a whole bunch of us decided to is a boring Sunday
• 31:07
  afternoon when over is to his house.
• 31:09
  There's My now, wife girlfriend at the time and another friend
• 31:14
  who's a doctor who fan and his girlfriend, and our friend, he's
• 31:18
  just said, let's watch the chase.
• 31:21
  They're like, What's that? It's great.
• 31:24
  It's just brilliant, fun. And put it on.
• 31:26
  And it was absolutely the most entertaining way to spend a
• 31:30
  Sunday afternoon. It was so much fun.
• 31:33
  It's not held up as necessary the greatest episode or story of
• 31:36
  dr. Of all time but it's just a lot
• 31:38
  of fun. Go through a small plug now
• 31:42
  gone. Well because when before Mark
• 31:45
  and I were in a relationship the were flirting outrageously with
• 31:49
  each other on Zoom calls. He said oh let's do a video the
• 31:56
  chase commentary but will dress up.
• 31:59
  Oh my God I'm not kidding you on YouTube.
• 32:01
  We've got all six episodes right episode 1 E turned up as the
• 32:05
  time and space visualizer. That was a point where I knew I
• 32:08
  was in love. So to he dressed up as an
• 32:11
  iridium nice in a onesie episode free.
• 32:16
  He was mummy no absolute for it was a mummy for journey into
• 32:20
  Terror and your the outrageous one of the two of you always
• 32:26
  balmy is Gianni go listen sighs, mad intros he does for to Sarah
• 32:31
  choose. They're going or Mark, all
• 32:33
  right. Or getting to that cool.
• 32:36
  Pic with the the red lighting now, Canines going to have to
• 32:40
  try and get them out of the maze.
• 32:43
  Just sort of walk slowly behind it.
• 32:45
  Yeah. Oh, I do like this.
• 32:48
  So you we can't hear the music, but it is going full on these
• 32:53
  horns, menacing shot looking up at the school.
• 33:02
  I mean, the item right costume, I'm not gonna log in the butt.
• 33:08
  My entire life. Okay here's a question all these
• 33:14
  things so emblazoned in our memories now that the
• 33:19
  embarrassments just gone and we just accept them for what they
• 33:22
  are. And we just enjoy the story.
• 33:25
  It's like we've gotten over that childhood.
• 33:27
  Oh God, this is agonizing. I've certainly been through that
• 33:30
  myself and I listen to Toby hey those podcasts and I think he's
• 33:35
  had the same sort of realization that For years and years took
• 33:38
  it. So seriously how can anyone like
• 33:41
  that? And you just go back over again.
• 33:43
  You actually think God. I just need to loosen up a bit.
• 33:46
  This is really good fun. What he did.
• 33:49
  Find yourself enjoying it so much more but he did his time of
• 33:52
  the Raleigh. What I know.
• 33:53
  He's never been a massive father that.
• 33:55
  Yeah. And he was like, I'm enjoying
• 33:57
  this what's wrong? And you know the Chase and time
• 34:03
  of the Rhinos who are my guilty pleasures are just until both of
• 34:06
  them. We voted to chase our famous
• 34:07
  story from season two. Why are you are clearly men of
• 34:11
  Great Taste. Yeah, modest as well.
• 34:16
  I agree. Okay.
• 34:20
  Now, go through the wall. Yeah.
• 34:24
  So if we had our big Showdown with the nylon now they're sort
• 34:27
  of out on they. Yeah, it's going to blow up,
• 34:31
  isn't it? So nice explosion.
• 34:34
  Yeah, is actually for motion egg boxes, going up?
• 34:38
  Yes. Yeah.
• 34:40
  What is it? Works really well.
• 34:42
  Did you see that scuttled? The hide there.
• 34:44
  Let's see if it goes back to him.
• 34:46
  It didn't know what was going on in the scene either.
• 34:48
  Very lost Oh my God. It's not a match.
• 34:51
  The performance of the in Ethan's.
• 34:52
  I think I've been to a few discos with this line Affair.
• 34:55
  Yeah, I think you know what you mean I have?
• 35:00
  Wow, I'm sure. Now, look, I didn't ask for an
• 35:05
  explosive Climax and it looks like we're getting one.
• 35:08
  There you go. That's a happy ending Sean field
• 35:12
  that's in slow motion. That's pretty good.
• 35:14
  Yeah. I've seen a lot worse.
• 35:20
  Yes. Oh boy.
• 35:22
  I'll be watching The Tomorrow People.
• 35:23
  Recently. Good Lord, you were sitting
• 35:26
  Davidson one yet? Yeah.
• 35:28
  Oh my good. God.
• 35:31
  I thought our Underpants not as much.
• 35:36
  Yeah. Dickinson had a voice to my
• 35:41
  brain. Lovely lady though.
• 35:44
  I'm sure. Very sure it is.
• 35:48
  All about. Agra feel right.
• 35:49
  If there if a lawyer is a listing in listening very nice
• 35:55
  personalized, she was actually she was very good in
• 35:57
  Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
• 35:58
  Yes, she was. Yeah, you know, it's just very
• 36:01
  lies in the Tardis. Yeah.
• 36:03
  It's all about why they took them from the nine months,
• 36:05
  disco. Didn't they?
• 36:06
  Okay guys grin off do this, but musical sting of The Wedding
• 36:13
  March as the flesh that's going away.
• 36:15
  Yeah. They say I was it always he's
• 36:19
  got his work. Now take his going to build up
• 36:20
  all these Legends around him. He's told him to paint his ship
• 36:24
  white. That goes back to the original
• 36:27
  myth. Do you remember the Deep Space
• 36:31
  Nine Season 2 Episode 1 episode homecoming?
• 36:36
  Watch the a sniper so long. Okay it's about it's about one
• 36:40
  of the bajorans terrorists, then killed someone by accident and
• 36:45
  they then he had this reputation as a great warrior.
• 36:50
  And it was actually just a very humble man who happened to be at
• 36:52
  the right place. When a man was washing himself
• 36:55
  and he pulled out his gun, nervously and shot him him.
• 36:58
  And it's basically this whole story line of Seth, but done
• 37:02
  with nuance and Saturday. And Smalls.
• 37:09
  Well that's it. The holes of my bond doesn't
• 37:12
  have salty. Nuance and smart.
• 37:15
  Well I mean it's it's it's own thing well and we love it.
• 37:20
  It's 9 episode does no ground crowden camping out exactly.
• 37:23
  This is the last time we see This Time Tunnel, so sad that
• 37:27
  music yes Delia Derbyshire has theme tune awkward, boxes
• 37:32
  started Sharda. I'm gonna bail good Lord for we
• 37:34
  start doing a commentary on that.
• 37:37
  Well, Mark, after Glorious episodes of Sharda.
• 37:40
  We are now in the position where we have to name three things
• 37:44
  each that we like about the story that we would choose to
• 37:49
  recommend it to others. Let's go.
• 37:52
  You me, you me, you me. Okay, I am going to, I mean,
• 37:56
  it's an obvious one, isn't it? Graham crowd and Christ on a
• 38:00
  bike. Is he is campus Christmas?
• 38:03
  Yes. Is he entertaining?
• 38:05
  Yes. Ain't that sells it just His
• 38:09
  performance. You have stolen my dreams of
• 38:12
  Conquest, you know? I'm sorry but you are a
• 38:16
  meddlesome hussy. So I've been called that.
• 38:22
  I am going to say LOL, Awards or Romana not lost, not just a lot
• 38:27
  of what Ramana. I think she hadn't written
• 38:28
  brilliantly. This is pretty.
• 38:29
  And in this it's probably the most agency she ever has.
• 38:34
  She is effectively in the doctors role while he's out with
• 38:39
  consoles in the Tardis and all of this and she's brilliant.
• 38:43
  She's she of all of the actors in this is taking his deadly
• 38:47
  seriously. Yeah, absolutely.
• 38:49
  I think if there's any tension to be had it's being channeled
• 38:53
  through LOL. Whoops.
• 38:55
  Yeah. Now I'd agree.
• 38:58
  What else can we say about the story?
• 39:00
  I think the the story itself and the the idea of having the maze
• 39:11
  but updating it. So it's a computer circuit.
• 39:14
  I think it's such a brilliant idea and I think it deserves a
• 39:18
  bit more credit than it gets some would argue.
• 39:21
  It's not perhaps realized in a way that really shows it off but
• 39:26
  I think it's a very neat idea. I think it's a solid story is
• 39:30
  it's explicitly making that link between myth and science
• 39:34
  fiction, isn't? Yeah.
• 39:35
  Yeah so I can see why. I only read might be a bit.
• 39:38
  Pissed is like, well, yeah, Drive the point home.
• 39:42
  The point. I'm at the other time they tried
• 39:43
  to do. This was underworld, wasn't it?
• 39:45
  And yes, it was similarly successful there.
• 39:48
  Yeah, yeah. I think this is slightly more
• 39:50
  beloved than underworld. Yes, I really big performances
• 39:55
  in that, is that? Mmm, I've watched it for a long
• 39:57
  time, but it's a dude in that one, even had a like, who's
• 40:02
  normally way over the top when it is in both 7.
• 40:05
  He plays a Savage who goes around murdering we murders
• 40:07
  rich. Franklin.
• 40:09
  Oh wow. I want to do it.
• 40:14
  Sounds like that. Yeah.
• 40:15
  Anyway, yeah. All I am going to say for my
• 40:18
  second one, then the Glorious non-speaking extras.
• 40:24
  They are divided as much enjoyment.
• 40:31
  And I do believe it's a sort of sub-genre of acting that you see
• 40:34
  in many a doctor who story and yeah, just see what the perfect.
• 40:39
  The background artist, the background artists in that
• 40:42
  sequence in the to doctors when bobby gets killed and you're all
• 40:47
  just sitting there having their tea.
• 40:48
  Yeah. Well, you've linked to their to
• 40:51
  the stake here. Yes, good one.
• 40:58
  I am going to say. I think it's just a lovely
• 41:02
  farewell to the 70s. It's Tom and Lala the chemistry
• 41:08
  is just undeniable and it sums up why I love the 70s so much
• 41:15
  It's his fault like dr. Who may be a sticky back
• 41:18
  plastic, isn't it? But in a really fun way, with a
• 41:21
  ton of imagination and it's kind of cozy as well.
• 41:24
  It's all inside, isn't it? Is there's no location work.
• 41:28
  It's comfortable feeling. God damn it, choose a third one.
• 41:34
  That's all I'm going to say. I mean I should say just the
• 41:41
  fact that they from this story prompted, my First podcast,
• 41:46
  which changed my life. Hmm But I think I said that
• 41:50
  whenever one I don't want to be predictable.
• 41:52
  So instead I'm gonna give us a salutary salute that work
• 41:57
  possibly to Dudley Simpson. Yes.
• 42:01
  Who has been a Mainstay of the show since Giants?
• 42:06
  I want to say yeah I certainly know he's there for the
• 42:09
  crusading to chase. He's there's yeah in season 2 at
• 42:13
  the end and the earliest Yeah. And has provided one memorable
• 42:18
  score after another contribution.
• 42:20
  Yeah, probably a job here as well with her amazing theme.
• 42:24
  Yeah, yeah. So yeah, that's what lump them
• 42:28
  into two and you know and just for the fact that he did Right.
• 42:33
  How he's impressive horn, one last time and what a hornet was?
• 42:39
  I hear? It got a lot of use.
• 42:43
  Mark, I want to say thank you for daring to come on this thing
• 42:50
  and throw as much innuendo at me as you have.
• 42:53
  Well I figured you know you gotta go big or go home, you may
• 42:57
  be mocking Keys, guess? Yeah, that's a that's something.
• 43:02
  I would love. Love, love for you to come back
• 43:05
  and do some more if you're willing.
• 43:08
  Absolutely I'd love to. So let's discuss off my a couple
• 43:12
  of new who Ooh, Moffat stories, love.
• 43:16
  It will have some interesting debates there.
• 43:19
  I think so too. But for now where can people
• 43:22
  find all of our all the time and space?
• 43:24
  Is it on all podcast capture? Yeah, pretty much.
• 43:27
  Any way you want to look. So we're hosted by Spotify for
• 43:31
  podcasters, so you'll find us on Apple Spotify, Google podcasts,
• 43:36
  you name it. If you can get a podcast on it,
• 43:39
  you can find us at all of time and space.
• 43:41
  We would love to have you along for the 80.
• 43:44
  I'm there. I'm there.
• 43:47
  Thank you very much for your time.
• 43:48
  It's been an absolute blast. Thank you.
• 43:50
  I really enjoyed it. And we're out.
• 43:55
  Okay, I really appreciate you. Appreciate you asking me on is
• 43:59
  great fun.