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Ep.65-Robin Glenn of Robin Glenn Pedigrees/QData · StallioneSearch Podcasts

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  SPEAKER_07: It's Quarter Horse Racing Talk Weekly for Wednesday, June 10th.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the weather going the champion of champions.
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  SPEAKER_10: And hello again, everyone.
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  SPEAKER_16: And I'm Bailey Ivy.
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  SPEAKER_10: Bailey had a great weekend out in Albuquerque, saw a lot of great racing, saw some of the track records fall, stakes records fall there.
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  SPEAKER_10: Very talented two-year-old, as well as the Derby.
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  SPEAKER_16: Yes, Greg, I watched your webcast coverage and it looks like you still got it.
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  SPEAKER_10: Well, I I remembered how to do it, and with your guidance before I left and of how to do it, or basically a reminder of how to do it, uh, I uh was able to pull it off.
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  SPEAKER_10: But certainly ran into a lot of folks out in Albuquerque that have been listening to the podcast as well, Bailey.
• 1:34
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  SPEAKER_16: Greg, we have a great special guest this week as well.
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  SPEAKER_10: Bailey, I'd say this is a high-end podcast this week.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_10: Not necessarily saying that the previous ones were not high-end, but this is more of a certainly of an education, what Robin Glenn of Robin Glenn Pedigrees goes into.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_10: Uh, Robin's one of the pioneers in the sport of how we look at a catalog.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_10: If you're looking at a catalog in the modern day uh quarter horse racing at one of the sales, that's what Robin Glenn has pioneered.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_10: Uh you're looking at her body of work over the years.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_10: And uh with this podcast this week, I think you're gonna get a lot out of it, especially if you're a serious breeder or a serious person that's going to the sale wanting to buy a horse.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_10: You know, it it never ceases to amaze me that there's plenty of people out there that actually don't know what they're looking at or assume that they know what they're looking at on the page there.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_10: And uh it they certainly don't.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_10: And I think that you'll get a lot out of this podcast with Robin Glenn when she gets to the point of starting to discuss some of those things that you might not have known before.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_16: Yes, Greg, growing up in the industry and working with Lazy Ranch, you think you know how to read a catalog page, but there are so many things that I'm still learning.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_10: I don't think you're going to get out of this podcast this week without finding something that you didn't know, and now you do.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_10: I think, Bailey, a lot of folks are gonna come up to us at the Yearling Sales this year and say that they listen to the pot Robin Glynn podcast and certainly learned something, or were motivated to get in there and find out more about the horse that they're about to put their investment into.
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  SPEAKER_16: She has so much knowledge and she's an inspiration to me for making a difference as a woman in this sport.
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  SPEAKER_15: Right, back to the podcast.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_10: All right, we're back here on Quarter Horse Racing Talk and ready to jump into our featured guest segment with Robin Glenn.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_10: And as mentioned, this is one of those high-end segments for the serious buyer, the serious breeder, or those people that are serious about what they're doing in this quarter horse racing industry.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_10: And if that's one of you, I think you'll appreciate this episode here on this podcast.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_10: If you're making your livelihood in this sport, that the catalog is king, and some of you even pride yourself on the collection that you have of catalogs at home and just how far back your catalog collection goes.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_10: And some of you take the catalog at the sale, you put your stamp on it by putting your name on the side, which tells others to keep your hands off of it.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_10: And then some of you have even purchased leather binders that you've put around the catalog that Robin produces with some fancy leather work of a running horse or what have you.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_10: But I will say the modern-day sale catalog at a quarter horse yearling sale reverts back to what this pioneer in the sport has put together.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_10: And a little bit more about Robin Glenn.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_10: Well, she's best known for founding and leading Robin Glenn pedigrees for over 40 years, which is a sales catalog and pedigree business which has become a vital resource for breeders, owners, and industry professionals, providing detailed pedigree information and performance records.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_10: And in 2023, Robin sold the company to the AQHA, which rebranded it as Q Data, which still Robin runs to this day.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_10: And it's safe to say that Robin's work has streamlined how pedigree research is done in the quarter horse racing world, and she has definitely improved the transparency over the years of the narrative of what the catalog page is telling the buyer, which is, of course, in turn informed the buyer to make better decisions, which is definitely something that Robin has strived to do throughout her career.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_10: And for Robin's contribution to the Quarthorse Racing Industry, she was honored in 2023 with the Millie Vessels Special Achievement Award by the AQHA.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_10: So without further ado, let's get this pioneer of the sport on the phone here to talk about not only her career, but some of the high-end things on a catalog page and why it is the way it is, as well as she gives some great advice on some of those folks that are going to these yearling sales of what they should be doing to make the most informed decision before they make a purchase.
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  SPEAKER_10: So let's get her on the phone.
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  SPEAKER_10: Robin, thanks so very much for joining us here on Quarter Horse Racing Talk weekly podcast.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_13: Well, thank you for having me.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_13: I'm glad to be here.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_10: The obvious direction of this conversation is as we all use your product if we're going to any kind of a sale, and and we're we're all very familiar with what it looks like, but I'd really like to jump all the way back to the basis.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_10: Uh as far as I know, you don't really come from a racing background, and you you do so many pedigree and so many catalogs for so many different genres in the horse industry.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_10: Kind of take us back to where does your origins in the horse world actually begin?
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_13: Well, I actually grew up uh across from the ninth tea of a golf course in central, west central Illinois, and my dad was a veterinarian who only did hogs.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_13: So I just somehow I I always said I was someone reincarnated because I loved horses and I specifically loved quarter horses.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_13: I can remember writing a little research paper, and that's in quotes in fourth grade about the history of the American quarter horse.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_13: And uh so the only person in our county back when I was a kid, it was a really remote area, who had quarter horses was a man who had a couple of mares and he bred him to race horses.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_13: So I went to work for him in high school, and then I ended up working for his trainer and going to Lodge Beauty Park and Hawthorne with him.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_13: And so I decided I wanted to be a race trainer.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_13: And I went to William Woods, and that's kind of a fun funny story because by then my dad wasn't even uh he only had a diagnostic lab and a pure drug importing company, and he wanted me to go to the University of Illinois, which he graduated from, and major in marketing, and he had it all mapped out for me.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_13: And my mother sneaked me to William Woods College and enrolled me behind my dad's back.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_13: And I don't know how their marriage got through that, but it did.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_13: So I went to William Woods.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_13: Well, I I really I wanted to be a race trainer.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_13: I just that's all I thought about legs and lungs and and but I loved the research.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_13: I always loved the research, the history and the the pedigrees, and and I ended up going to work for Carol and Jane Whitman in uh near Joplin, Missouri, who owned the outfront sale company business.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_10: And what sale company was that?
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_10: Was that a a a straight horse sale and was what was it a raining cow horse or was it a well you know back then Greg, there weren't specializations, it was all everything.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_13: So here uh Haymaker, the Haymaker sale sold the racehorses, and the outfront sale for the most part sold the performance horses, and all the big names in the business brought their horses to the outfront sale.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_13: And then the haymaker sold the racehorses, and so I I was really hired to work in the barn, but when they found out that I loved research and I was an equine major and an English minor, I ended up in the office working on their catalogs, and we didn't even have records back then.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_13: We had to use the old reference books.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_10: So explain that how that g goes about.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_10: Of course, the modern day we'll we'll get to that of actually how you put together a catalog, Robin, but talk about before you really got rolling of what what did it look like to actually put together something like a catalog?
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_13: Oh my god, it was so much work.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_13: I can't believe I even wanted to do it.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_13: It was so much work.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_13: But we and I'll tell you who helped us uh was Butch Wise.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_13: He used to come over and write pedigrees with us, um, research pedigrees with us for extra money.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_13: So you know Butch Butch is definitely self-made.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_13: Um, but anyway, um we would have to look up the family tree.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_13: You probably know this in the old stud books.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_13: So you looked up one name at a time.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_13: You look up the horse and you get his parent, that horse's parents, and then you look up each parent and get their parents, and we had a little paper form, pre-printed form, that we wrote all that on to fill out the family tree.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_13: And then we had these old reference books um that were published for several years, and then we had the chart, they had the ROMs, and I can't remember what all they had in them, but they didn't have points in them, they just had whether a horse had earned an ROM or not, and then there was a racing reference book that had the racehorse information, and then we had the chart books, and you had to look up each each horse's record chart race by race in the chart books to find the stakes races that they placed in.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_13: So it was extremely labor intensive and slow, and then once we gathered it all, and we would write a handwrite them on yellow tablets, and then I would take them in and type them just on the typewriter, and then we would take them to the printer, and the temp printer would retype them into the typesetter, and then start printing out these pages, which came out it seemed like one page every 15 minutes.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_13: It was so slow, and it had to be a bad mistake for you to want it to make a correction on those stages.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_13: Um, and then as time progressed, we could get a kind of a basic record from AQHA that didn't give full information, but it gave the points earned.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_13: Uh, I don't think it even gave the awards to start with.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_13: And but we still had to use the chart books.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_13: If they had a race record, we still had to go look up their stakes records on the in the chart books.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_13: So, you know, people like Butch and me, Ben Hudson, we all had these walls of books, you know, stud books and chart books.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_13: And uh so as time progressed, AQHA, you know, finally got to where it produced complete records.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_10: But it was still meticulous to the point where you were having to call them and do it horse by horse, is that correct?
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_13: We didn't even have a fax, you know.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_13: So I would call that's how Tammy Garrison, Tammy Hahn now, and I got to be such close friends because I would get a late entry and I'd call and she'd actually read the records to me, and I would hand write the pedigree on a tablet as she read them to me on our real late entries because we had to rely on the mail.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_13: And then uh one day my husband and I went to buy a car and uh guy faxed my um financial information and got approval back really fast.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_13: And I said, What is that thing?
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_13: And he said, Well, ma'am, it's called a fax Emily machine.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_13: And I said, Where do I get one?
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_13: I went right out and I bought a fax machine, and it was one of those old those faxes that just had a roll of paper and it burnt the image on the paper.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_13: So I had a fax, so I, you know, I was like, now I can tell people they can take horses longer.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_13: Well, none of my customers had a fax.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_13: But they went and got one pretty quick.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_10: I got one.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_10: Well, Robin, we all won know what a catalog page looks like in the modern day.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_10: And you and you know, you're very instrumental in why it looks the way it does.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_10: Back when you were talking about those days with you and Butch writing those pedigrees, what did a catalog page look like in in that era?
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_13: What um most of them didn't use the black type system.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_13: Um, they were just paragraphs.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_13: So it'd be a paragraph on the horse, a paragraph on the siren, a paragraph on the dam.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_13: Um now the the Thorbreds were doing the black, you know, a black type system, and then um Renee Smelker, she did the Riadosa catalog.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_13: Uh Woody, Woody Searles did catalogs out in California, and he did race style catalogs with the black type.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_13: And I mean that was that was work back then when you did those black type catalogs, but they used the basic black type system that we still use today based on the thoroughbreds, the uh black type system they developed.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_13: And um, the only real change from that, because stakes winners are uppercase black type, stakes place, which would be second and third, are upper or lowercase black type.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_13: And then uh the only change that's really been made since that was developed, is that uh when they started grading corner horse races, the um racing council, I guess, decided to note if a horse was a finalist in a graded race.
• 15:56
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  SPEAKER_05: All right, back to the show.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_10: When you were mentioning the very beginning when you started writing, they had the old concept of the AAA and the triple A plus and and all when did they get away from that and get more into a speed index type basis?
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_13: Oh, I think that was in the late 70s, early 80s.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_10: Robin, can you explain to the listener that that doesn't know what you and I are talking about?
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_10: So I guess it would be called a grade to a horse, whether it were a triple A or a double A, or and and of course then we'll bleed over into explaining the speed index.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_13: So there was no speed index to start with.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_13: So there was only AA based on certain time ranges, triple A based on certain time ranges, and top triple A, which was the AAAT.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_13: So those equ are equip were equivalent to today uh AA is 80 to 89, triple A is 90 to 99, and the top triple A would be 100 and above.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_10: Why do you think the AQHA got away from doing it the way the the triple A T or the the AAA to giving the actual numbers instead of giving a speed index?
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_13: I think it was to be a little more specific because it 80 to 89 even is a long range.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_10: That is a range.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_10: That makes more sense.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_13: Because in a catalog, you don't report a speed index lower than 80.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_13: So I I assume it was just to be more specific to represent the horse's speed better in a better manner.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_10: Robin getting away from the handwritten type format to to handing it over to a printer and then putting it into typeset and then having them kick out a catalog that way to moving into the modern age of when you first started getting those computers and you started inputting it into the computers, talk about the transition, how clearly it had to make life a little bit easier on you.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_13: Oh yeah.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_13: It does and it doesn't, Greg, because you as you well know, nobody knows better than you guys.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_13: The more you are computerized, the more everyone wants you to do, and the faster they want you to do it.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_13: Right.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_13: But um I wouldn't go I would not want to go back to yellow tablets.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_13: And then I bought my first Xerox 10 meg hard disk computer.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_13: That was an 83.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_13: I remember asking the salesman what happens when I fill that up, and he said, Oh, you'll never fill it up.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_13: I filled it up in a year and no one had told me about backups, so I lost everything.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_12: Oh goodness.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_13: Yeah, I learned that the hard way.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_13: So we had the old green screen computers, you know, and now by this time, I think it was uh late 80s or early 90s, AQHA put their records online, and they were the old the dot you had to have a dot matrix printer.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_13: So we had this huge honking dot matrix printer that pretty much ran 24 hours a day.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_13: I would get up in the middle of the night and start files.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_13: And so we could get those online.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_13: We didn't have to rely on the mail anymore.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_13: We still didn't have email at this time, but we could get these online records and we could get online records from the uh Jockey Club.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_13: And uh so we would have two sets of records if we had thoroughbreds in the families, or three if we were using our own database records.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_13: And uh and then then of course today um we just email the files.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_13: Robbing it all electronically.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_13: The only difference today is there's a lot more information on the pages, you know, because it was so hard to get information back in the early days that it was pretty sparse on a page.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_13: But today we're today we fight we don't fight to fill a page.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_13: We don't worry about trying to fill a page, we worry about how we're gonna get all this on one page.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_13: You know, and not just uh the horses, which are a problem in themselves with the mares having so many babies, but even the um so many more races than there were back then that they might have placed in, and of course adding the finalist information that adds more lines to the page.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_13: So um, but no, the uh the format is basically the same, and the black type system is the same.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_13: Now the standards for the stakes races have been raised over the years and probably could use race.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_13: And again, to be quite honest.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_13: Um, but the actual reason for black type has not changed, and it hasn't in the thoroughbred business either.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_13: Now, in the thoroughbred business, they've done a few things like added the track and amount earned after each stakes race and implemented the L, the listed races.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_13: We don't have any of that in the quarter horse, and I I think that's fine.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_13: I I think keeping it simple is a good idea.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_13: Because honestly, when you get below grade three, and especially a restricted grade three in the quarter horse business, you're just down to basic races, stakes races, you know.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_10: That would be the next question of you know, you you keep retaining pointing towards what the thoroughbred industry is doing and as as opposed to what we're doing in the quarter horse industry.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_10: You and I had a discussion yesterday.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_10: Is your job is to kind of lay out and portray the story or the true story of what is in front of them on say as an example, hip number 131.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_10: Your page is trying to tell the story of what that individual is as it pertains to pedigree.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_10: So kind of elaborate on what we were talking about yesterday, Robin.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_13: Um, first off, it's really important to me to both sell that horse for as much money as it can be sold for and make sure the buyer is well informed.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_13: When I first wanted to get into this, I saw so many people lying when they would you know send in stuff for our their catalog pages, and I thought one of these days I'm gonna do this and people are gonna know if it I did it, they can take it to the bank.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_13: Because I feel like the more, first off, the more a buyer trusts the catalog, trusts the seller, trusts the sale company, the more they'll pay.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_13: And the other thing is when you present information, you give the you empower the buyer.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_13: And they if the more knowledge that they feel they have, the more they'll be confident and raise their hand in a sale and pay more money.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_13: If they don't feel confident in what they're reading, if they don't understand it, if they can't follow it, they're not going to be as apt to bid.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_13: That's just human nature.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_13: So we keep our catalog pages as simple as possible and as straightforward as possible.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_13: I don't abbreviate because that makes the reader stop and start and have to figure out what the word, what the abbreviation means.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_13: I just want it to flow as though they're reading a novel about that horse so that they're really comfortable and all they're really worried about when they're looking at that page is whether they want that horse or not and how much they want to give for it.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_13: Not what not whether they can figure out what we're trying to tell them.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_13: And I think that is really, really important in the horse business across the board.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_13: The more knowledge you give people, the more power you give them.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_10: Well, starting from that part, uh as it pertains to somebody that's been doing it for so very long, what have you found as being the be all of how to take a very new person in the industry and educate them on how to absorb that information that you're putting on the page?
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_13: You know, they really need to do their homework.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_13: You can't just look the catalog page today, especially with the mayors having so many babies, um, is almost an ad for a horse.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_13: It can't possibly tell the whole story.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_13: There's just too much, too much in that family today, especially these big successful families.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_13: The first thing I always look for myself, I I look for inbreeding in the family tree.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_13: Sometimes that's successful and sometimes it's not, but I personally am not into it, so I always look for that.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_13: And then I look for the crosses and I look to see if it's a representative of a cross that's been really successful.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_13: But there again, um, that's where you need to do your homework.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_13: I really suggest to people to not walk into a horse sale without help the first time, you know, the first year that they're buying horses, use an agent, use your own judgment, read your catalog page, use your own judgment, but also get an expert's opinion because an expert's gonna see things that you might not see if you're brand new.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_10: Hey, Robin, from your statement right there, I think I can speak for all the consigners as a whole when I say, thank God there's so many of them that are unwilling to take your advice in that in that avenue of of asking that are willing to go out there and do it themselves.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_13: But uh but I'll tell you, um, we try to lay out for of course the the sires in a race catalog are limited to eight lines.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_13: So um that's pretty small.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_13: That's a pretty small amount of information.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_13: However, we try to make it pretty comprehensive to where you really can tell um you know whether that sire's been successful or not.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_13: So if you look at like Goldhard Eagle V, he's a young horse.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_13: Um, but you can see on his catalog page I've named one, two, three, four, five, six runners in that little old six-line paragraph.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_13: So plus it says who he's a full brother to.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_13: He's he's a full brother to two very successful horses, and it gives what he did, which he won the All-American Derby, grade one, and he was third in the rainbow derby.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_13: So there's a ton of information in those six lines.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_13: Um, but you need to read it.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_13: And what I think people do sometimes is they don't read it.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_13: They just they kind of uh they go by who they think is popular or who they've seen advertised a lot, and then they look at the black type.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_13: They just look at the black type instead of studying the black type and seeing what it amounts to, because black type can be anything from an all-American fraturity winner to a very minor, you know, stakes winner.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_13: Um, and so it's all relative to that's why the stakes races are named after a horse, because that gives you a chance to know the quality of that horse and the quality of the company that he ran in.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_13: So you know if he was in a grade one race that he he ran in the highest level of company.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_13: And or any grade race, he's gonna graded race, he was gonna be in the high, higher level of company.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_13: Um the other thing about today, I personally, if I was buying especially breeding stock, and I am the catalog lady and I believe in my pages, and I I set up my pages to try to give the people as much information as I can, I still would run a record and look at the whole picture if I was going to buy breeding stock.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_10: For the newbie, could go one step further, Robin.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_10: What does that entail?
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_10: How do you how do you go run a record?
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_13: In the race business, you would go to e I would recommend going to equine line.com, which is the jockey clubs.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_13: The jockey club has quarter horse records and they're already set up in uh black type format, in the black type system format.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_13: And um they're not expensive, and they're they give a lot of information.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_13: They have a large selection of records that's called equine line.com.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_13: But um I would go to there and I would run, you know, uh the first two dams of the horse I was looking at to see the whole picture.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_13: How many falls of racing age in that on that record did it take to get the black type or the or the winners on that page?
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_13: Um who was the mayor bred to?
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_13: Was she consistently bred to higher end stallions?
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_13: You think she's not such a great producer, but they swapped her over to barrel horses, you know.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_13: So then that that that means she they're not gonna have a race record.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_13: It doesn't mean she's a bad producer.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_13: It just means she got bred to horses that are not that are gonna be going to the arena.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_13: So there's a lot that a record can tell you.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_13: That a catalog page really can't, because a catalog page is just gonna give you the the race horses.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_05: And we'll be right back after these words.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_05: Chilitos produces another futurity winner.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_10: That's right, as TC Abanero runs away with the colors of Houston Futurity, the grade two event for paints and appaloosas down at Sam Houston Race Park.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_10: As Chilitos standing at Dunn Ranch is one of the hottest tires in the country.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_10: So be sure to put them at the top of the list.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_10: Those Chilitos yearlings that are coming through the sales ring this summer.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_10: Also standing as champion and grade one producer A Revenant, the brother to two-time champion of champions winner, a political victory, the runner-up finisher the grade one Ed Burke Million in hot pursuit, and the graded stakes winning Juice As Loose, and the Grade 1 producer PYC Fun and Fancy, all standing at Dunn Ranch in Winniewood, Oklahoma.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_10: Another successful year at stud is coming to an end of 2026 breeding season for Eagles Fly Higher, standing at Leicester in Opaloos, Louisiana.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_10: That's the Louisiana Center for Equine Reproduction.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_10: Check out its stallion page on stallionesearch.com.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_15: All right, back to the podcast.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_10: Now, Robin, the way it sounds, the modern day process of putting the catalog page together is way more automated.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_10: Clearly from back in the day when you were starting from scratch and handwriting it and sending it over to a printer.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_10: But there's a lot of judgment calls as it pertains to all the information that's being thrown out by the computer now that you have as a database.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_10: And then of course you have to make a judgment of what looks best on the page for the yearling or whatever horse you're selling in the catalog.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_13: You know, it's a funny thing.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_13: Um every single page, Greg, is a judgment call.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_13: And sometimes people disagree with my judgment, and sometimes when they disagree, I s I totally see their point, and then I learn something, you know, and then I start I look at them a little different uh going forward.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_13: But um, for instance, I'm looking at a mayor named Lily Executive Dash.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_13: Well, she has a 90 share her best runner has only earned 12,000, but it has a 92 speed index.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_13: Her next best runner has 103 speed index.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_13: Speed indexes, people will say they don't matter, but they do matter to the reader.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_13: If a high speed index is on a fall, I'll try to get keep that on the page.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_13: The other thing we try to keep on the page is fillies because the only horse that can add black type to that bottom side is a female.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_13: So if you're um looking at the future on a horse, if you're buying breeding stock or you're just you just want the family to grow as you own the horse, just like you would want the value of your real estate to grow, then you need fillies.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_13: And so sometimes we will keep fillies on the page that didn't look like well, they don't look like they did all that much, but they're fillies, they're by leading sires, they do add value to the pedigree, to the future of the pedigree.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_13: Like I said, I learned from people sometimes.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_13: One time this mare had four folds run and they were all winners, but I was trying to hold a lot of black type on the page, and so I cut to a moth, and the owner called me, and he said, I'm really disappointed in what you did to my mare.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_13: And I said, Well, you see what I was trying to do, I'm trying to hold this black type.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_13: He said, Yeah, but what you failed to show that I'm really proud of is she had four foals, they all raced, and they're all triple A.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_13: I hadn't looked at it like that.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_13: I really paid attention to that, and I learned from it.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_13: And so I always look at that now.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_13: When it's a young mare or, you know, a mare that hasn't produced a lot of black type, what are the other ways I can make her look like a successful producer?
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_13: And he taught that one person taught me a lot when he called.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_10: You know, the the uniqueness of what I've taken out of this, Robin, it's it's not an automated type scenario.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_10: I mean, yes, in this computer age and all, I'm sure you're helped and aided by the database that you have and and maybe pre-filling, you know, pedigrees and all of those things.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_10: You're not absolutely starting from scratch and rebuilding and and putting uh the pet the page together.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_10: It's all there, but it sounds to me like you're telling me that you're touching almost every page that's in there to make sure that it's the best possible picture possible.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_13: Yes.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_13: We have to look at the whole picture.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_13: Uh so how the way our system works now, Greg, is it builds the catalog page for us, but it it puts everything on the page except the unraced and unplaced horses, unless they're producers.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_13: So basically what we do is we go in and we take we take information off the page to edit it because we've got this program, this software that we developed that takes the equine line record and um builds the catalog page for us.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_13: So we're editing it down to fit.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_13: And it's actually I like this a lot better than the old way of where we were we started with a blank page because your instinct on a blank page is to fill it.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_13: But with this overfull page, you know, that has every black typehorse for four dams, your instinct is to how can I keep this on the page?
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_13: I really want everybody to see this, you know.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_13: Some of these families, you know, you get like favorite cartel down in the third dam.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_13: I really want to show it.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_13: I really want him to show up because that's a big name drop to have favorite cartel in your third dam.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_13: So it is becoming more and more automated, and it has to.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_13: Everybody wants us to do things so much faster.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_13: We used to need, um, you know, gosh, we would need two or three months, you know, to do a 500-horse sale.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_13: And now we do a thousand-horse sale in 30 days, and we do we do a 500-horse sale in three weeks, uh, as far as doing actually finishing the pages.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_13: And so uh it isn't as well, I feel like we still customize a lot.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_13: But it's gonna become more automated.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_13: Once I retire someday, we won't that won't be for a while, but it'll become more automated.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_13: There's no way around it.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_13: It's the way of the world.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_10: Speaking of that, moving forward in the way of the world with the world of AI and everything that's approaching us, and the online sales have become so popular.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_10: Uh, even the sales companies within the quarter horse world are are they they have their own online sales.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_10: Uh even in the thoroughbred world, you can see that's completely littered with these online sales as it pertains to the your evolution of you going through all these years and decades of through working with sales companies and and where do you see it evolving to now that we have all everything and and also how it pertains to the information that you provide, how do you feel like you guys have to continue to evolve?
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_13: Well, obviously, it makes the catalog page more important than ever, the online sales.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_13: And even the live sales, they go out on the internet first and on our catalog app.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_13: So uh they see the page before they see anything else, you know.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_13: And I don't know where the online thing is going.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_13: It's really new, very successful if it's managed properly.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_13: But then I also see, and of course I'm a kind of a traditionalist, but um I also see that the momentum of a live sale really affects the prices of horses sometimes.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_13: So when you have a million-dollar sale or an$800,000 sale or something, that revs everybody up and gets the crowd excited, and the horses that follow it will generally bring more than they would have if that horse hadn't hadn't existed.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_13: So you don't get that on the online.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_13: On the other hand, um, especially on the timed online, I know that you know, those horse, I mean, these horses have been bringing a lot selling online in some cases.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_13: So I think there's a place for all of it.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_13: I don't think the live sales are going anywhere.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_13: I think they'll be here forever because they offer a lot that you just can't get on an online sale.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_13: With the online sales, the first thing I would do if I was running an online sale is I would make guarantees because if those people don't feel like they can trust it, they won't come, you know, and that's what happened when people first started it, because they can't see the horse.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_13: But that's what I love about the sale business in general.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_13: You know, people like I don't know why, but in some cases the sale business has a bad reputation where I that's what I trust the most.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_13: I mean, I feel like I've got a sale company behind me.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_13: If you read the terms and conditions of the seller's contract and of the buyer's contract in the catalog, you're very protected when you buy a horse in sale, as long as you take care of your business.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_13: So if you're worried that the bear might not be in fall, go get her palpated right then.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_13: You can refuse her.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_13: When you drive off a farm with her, you own her.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_13: You know.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_13: I am a big believer in the sale business.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_13: I think that um it offers a lot more safety and um more guarantees, so to speak.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_13: I mean, they nobody can guarantee everything about a horse, but more protection, certainly, than people will have just walking around buying horses off of private treaty.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_13: I think most of the online sale companies, and there aren't very many race online sale companies right now, but I they do the same thing.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_13: They stand behind their terms and conditions.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_13: And and I've seen sale companies just own the horse.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_13: You know, if it I mean they take care of their people.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_13: They're very good.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_13: All of our customers are great about taking care of their customers.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_13: That horse will come back in another sale because the sale company took it back.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_10: Robin, we've uh talked a lot about your business and a lot of the uh of talking about the world of pedigree data and producing and all, but you've also got to experience a lot of the quarter horse racing world, and let alone uh what would what percentage would you say as it pertains to your life in the world of horses, if you had to put a percentage of it, because I know you do a lot in the performance world as well, what percentage of it would be based in racing?
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_13: Oh, on our catalog business, our managed, our custom catalog business, it's about 70%.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_10: Oh, so you're f fairly heavy.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_13: Yeah, and I love racing.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_13: I just absolutely love racing.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_13: And I love it all though.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_13: I love a good horse, period.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_13: So we sell about 6,000 horses through our managed catalogs, no, about seven.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_13: And there's another 4,000 being sold by other people doing their own catalogs with our software, but that is all performance.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_13: So basically um it's 50-50 overall, but with our managed catalogs, our custom catalogs, Heritage Place, Riadosa, Louisiana, TQHA, LaSalle, um that's about 70% for the catalog production team here.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_10: Well, as it pertains to that, with with having so much experience in racing that you do, uh, surely you've had some of those experiences along the way of some of the great things that have happened in racing.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_10: And you had mentioned that, you know, it's not something that's right around the corner, but it's somewhere in the vicinity of the day that Robin Glenn no longer wants to do what Robin Glenn does.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_10: When you look back and kind of pinpoint some of the experiences that you've had in racing uh as along the way, just from the association of what you do in the industry, what are some of the things that are going to stand out for you?
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_13: Oh my gosh, Greg, that's a hard question.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_10: That's what I'm here for, Robin.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_10: I'm here to ask the hard ones.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_13: So one of the things that stands out to me is the day I got to see Dash for Cash when they in in uh Riyadosa, when they brought him out and announced his syndication, which was a whole new concept back then.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_13: And um, an interesting thing about that, uh those leg wraps were so perfect.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_13: I went right back, I worked for Whitman's then, I went right back to Whitman's and practiced and practiced and practiced on my leg wraps till I could get him that perfect.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_13: But uh, but I'll tell you one of the most thrilling evenings I have had uh in my life was Saturday night when Impressum won the um the Remington Championship.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_13: Wow.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_12: Wow.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_13: It was Just I don't know, it just took you out of your body.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_13: Um that field, you know, that field of horses was like what it earned twelve million dollars, and then they had to unload him and reload him, and he came down the track like a jet airplane, and it was just what you dream quarter horse racing would be about.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_13: It was neat.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_13: I've had so many great experiences and wonderful people, the people.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_13: I love my people.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_10: Robin, always a pleasure.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_10: Uh, you know, it's one that uh when we were always been trying to educate some of the new owners and your take on really what a person that's willing to go and invest and and put their money where their mouth was of actually purchasing a yearling and all and what they should probably be doing, I think is well worth anyone have who has taken the time to listen to this podcast.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_10: But we absolutely appreciate you coming on here at Quarter Horse Racing Talk Weekly and sharing with us not only your career in in pedigrees, but what you've and how you've shaped uh a lot of things in the quarter horse racing world.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_10: And uh we appreciate you coming on and sharing it with us here.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_13: Well, thank you, Greg.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_13: I've really been enjoyed doing it, and I appreciate you asking.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_05: And we'll be right back after these words.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_10: Hey, a little bit further down the front page on stallionysearch.com, you'll find the AQHA challenge section where you can read all the AQHA Racing Challenge stories, including the regional races that are happening across the country, or you can go to AQHA.com forward slash racing and look for the challenge tab along the left-hand side, and you can read all about the upcoming, pending deadlines, as well as the schedule for all the upcoming races of the AQHA Racing Challenge.
• 45:49
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• 45:51
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• 45:53
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• 45:58
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• 46:31
  SPEAKER_15: Alright, back to the show.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_10: Alright, we're back here, ready to jump in the recap section that takes us down to Sam Houston as the paints and apps were at it this weekend in the grade two colors of Houston Futurity for a$74,000 purse.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_10: And here's Nick Camaro with the call.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_18: And they're on their way in the colors of Houston Futurity.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_18: Miss Cholitos with a quick break on the inside, but Cholitos suspect was out well also.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_18: Down the center, JVM hot Victoria.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_18: T.C.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_18: Albanero is in the mix.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_18: Also, Cholula agent, San Chilito's driving finish.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_18: TC Albanero up in time to win it.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_16: TC Abanero is a two-year-old Colt by Cholitos out of the first Boon Flash Mare, Take of Helene FMF.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_16: Trained by Zach Rios, owned by the Chili Pikin Partnership, read by Torbillo Corrillo and written by Leonardo Rodriguez.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_10: Alright, west from Houston to Albuquerque, where the big Grade One weekend of the Riadosa Futurity and the Riadosa Derby took place, with a lot of news stories coming out of Albuquerque about some of the performances there.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_10: As we look at the Riadosa Derby, the Grade 1 event,$744,000 on the table, 400 yards for the three-year-olds, with the fastest qualifier GF She's Sinful from the Barna West Childs going postward as the favorite.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_11: They're running in the first night race of the Riadoso Derby.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_11: GFG Sinful shutout from the rail.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_11: It is clear already.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_11: GFG Sinful being chased by Midnight Smoken.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_11: Center of the track.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_11: We have Jarvis V, then investor.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_11: GF She's Sinful all alone.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_11: She's gonna win the Rianoso Derby! From Jarvis V, then Midnight Smokin'!
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_16: GF She's Sinful is a three-year-old Philly by Dulce Santasha out of the Foos Mare BF Foos Rages.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_16: Bred by Kevin Burrell, owned by All-In Partners, trained by Wes Giles, and ridden by Noe Garcia Jr.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_10: After the win, we were able to talk with the former world champion trainer Wes Giles about this talented three-year-old Philly.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_17: You know, she's just been training good all year, all spring, just kind of getting ready for it.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_17: You know, we we thought we had a really nice horse last fall and you know had an unfortunate deal by the back break, but when this mayor lead, she's as good as you know most horses.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_17: I'm just real proud of her.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_17: Any chance we'll see her in all three, or are we gonna just go from here to more than you know?
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_17: We'll just play it day by day.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_17: We'll see how she how she bounces back after this.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_17: Probably go to the I know some won't want me to go to the open, but I'm I'll damn sure probably go to the ultimate if I decide to run her in the second leg.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_10: All right, on to Sunday, the Riadosa Futurity, the$1 million event, grade one, 350 yards for the two-year-olds, the first leg of the triple crown there in New Mexico, and here is the call from track announcer Robert Fox.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_11: They're running in the Riadoso Futurity, Highly Lethal V came away fast, and then nine degrees came away fast, and something went wrong, but it's Highly Lethal V, Asker to Fly, middle of the track is Lethal Wind, Highly Lethal V in front, highly lethal V from Lethal Wind.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_11: Then a photo of Asker to Fly and Happy Flying Bird.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_16: Highly Lethal V is a two-year-old gelding by a political Jess out of the Trey Seismare Lethal Class.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_16: Owned and bred by Valeriano Racing Stables, trained by Raymond Valerio, and ridden by Francisco Calderon.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_10: After the big win, we were able to get former AQHA world champion jockey Francisco Calderon to talk about this talented gelding who captured this grade one event.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you know, uh like I said, since it started in a main job.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_01: We both communicated.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_01: He's not bad, bad in there, but he could be if he wants to, and we both kind of try to fix him as much as we could, but leave him alone a little bit, and uh he broke sharp.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_01: He broke a little bit going in this time.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_01: The troz he broke out.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I was a little nervous about going left-handed on him.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_01: You know, but after I did that and went back right, he just exploded.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_01: I saw horses coming after me, but then kind of when I wrapped up on him, he kind of liked it and he just kept on going.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, distance concern.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I don't think the distance is gonna concern him as big as he is.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I don't know what how uh hopefully he pulls up good, whatever they decide, but I mean, yeah, I think the distance isn't gonna bother him.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_10: Just thank God for this win.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_10: It was a lot of great racing action in Albuquerque, and we'll be right back after these words from our sponsor.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_10: The legendary sire is at it again.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_10: A common thing you hear about a political Jess standing at Royal Vista Ranch in Wayne, Oklahoma, as he produced another classic winner in Highly Lethal V in this past weekend's Riodosa Futurity, after qualifying as the fastest qualifier into the Grade 1 event, and also siring two other qualifiers into the finals, which just adds to the growing list of Grade 1 winners for this legendary sire.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_10: So I guess you know which bloodlines to look for in these upcoming summer yearling cells.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_10: You've got better chances of success when you're choosing an apolitical jest, baby.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_04: Also standing for 2026 is Multiple Graded Stakes Finalist, a political J Streak.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_04: The Grade 1 producing FDD Going Grand, a perennial leading sire, Flying Cowboy 123, multiple stakes producing sire, heart of the cartel.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_04: And new for 2026, the grade one winner, Just Dulce.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_04: All this talent standing at Royal Vista Ranch in Wayne, Oklahoma.
• 51:45
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• 51:55
  SPEAKER_03: Make plans to attend this summer.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_16: And we're back on Quarter Horse Racing Talk for this week's racing preview section.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_16: Yancey and I are gonna talk about the mountaintop happening out in Albuquerque as well as the big graded stakes races at Sam Houston for closing night.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_16: The first race that we are gonna cover this week in the racing preview section is the Mountaintop New Mexico Bred Quarter Horse Faturity.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_16: It's a grade two event for$350,000, going 350 yards, and the horse that I have picked on top, Yancy, is Bridger.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_16: He has, to me, the most experience in the race, and he's undefeated.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_16: He won the$389,000 New Mexico Spring Faturity this year, but he has a rider change.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_16: Sergio Becerra Jr., he's never been on this horse before.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_09: Yes, Bridgers established himself as one of the best New Mexico breeders.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_09: I have him for second.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_09: The one I like is right to his inside, Schaefer.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_09: Uh, this horse was the high seller of the New Mexico breed sale.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_09: They paid$350,000 for him.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_09: Um on trial day, he just looked super, super impressive.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_09: He blew away and pretty much had it under wraps.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_09: And I made a note that um Kristen Cardanas he qualified four for the Gonzalez barn on trial day and he elects to stay on Schaefer.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_16: And Schaefer's also out of the mayor Astaca, who produced the world champion Asher.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, Big Daddy Cartel and Astaca, that's the best combination in New Mexico breeding for sure.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_09: And then for third, I have the 10 Big Daddy Cartel.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_09: Um, this horse is really experienced as well.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_09: He's already qualified for the New Mexico Spring Juvenile, the New Mexico Spring Fling, and he won that race.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_09: And the outside's just super tough in Albuquerque.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_09: So one, two, tens what I have in the mountaintop.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_16: And moving on to Sam Houston Race Park on Saturday night, they will be having the Sam Houston Oaks$176,000 event for three-year-old Phillies going 400 yards.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_16: And Yancey, who do you have picked on top?
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_09: Uh, the horse I have to win is Blood's Valiant Policy.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_09: She's the most experienced in the race.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_09: She's won four out of six lifetime.
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_09: She qualified for the dash for cast last year.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_09: In her trial race, she rared at the start, got bumped, and then still comes up, runs them down, and sets the fastest time.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_09: And I noticed that Luis Vivanko is riding there in the finals, and he's one of the top riders in the Texas circuit.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_09: So I have the two Blood's Valiant Policy on top.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_16: And I like the horse just on the outside of the Philly, and that's this equals a leader.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_16: Peace Gramado and John Steinbow have a lot of luck together in Texas, and she beat quite a few qualifiers in this race, in her trial race, and she's back with her regular rider, Gilberto Lonares.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_16: So I really like this Philly going into the Oaks.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_09: Another one that I think we need to look at is the seven political looker.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_09: She's only had one finish off the board in her whole career.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_09: Uh, she ran third in the big easy fraterty.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_09: Jose Lopez is one of the top trainers in the Texas Circuit, and Leonardo Rodriguez is always tough.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_09: So I like this horse as well for Exacta.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_16: And another horse that's on the outside, which the outside has been doing pretty good at Houston this year, is Karma Chaching, trained by Esteban Rubio, ridden by Nestor Duran.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_16: Seems like this Philly has been improving all year.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_16: Yancy, I think that this race is kind of wide open.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_16: Anyone could win it.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, I think this is one of the toughest races on the night as far as an evenly matched field.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_16: And that will move us on to the grade three Sam Houston Derby for$234,000, going 400 yards.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_16: And the horse that I think is the one to beat is gonna be Royalist the six, who's gonna be ridden by Luis Vavanco, who we've already talked about previously at Houston, that he's one of the top Texas riders.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_16: And Royalist beat Eagle on a June bug, who has quite the resume.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_16: He qualified last year to the Texas Classic Fraturity and has been a horse pretty consistently on the board.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_09: The horse I like is right in the middle of those two, DI KVN, Waven.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_09: This is the only Philly in the race, and she is super super impressive.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_09: She qualified to three fraturities last year, winning two of them.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_09: She didn't really break all that great in her trials, and she still came and finished really strong.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_09: Oliver Martinez has always been one of those top riders in Texas.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_09: He rode for Brian Stroud forever and did good for him.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_09: And I just think this horse is the best horse in the race.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_09: And then for third, so I have 7-6.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_09: And then for third, I have the 10 Ring Lingding.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_09: Um, this horse has been one that's always right there.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_09: He's always been on the board.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_09: Um, I like the outside post-resign, and I really like Nestor Duran on the outside.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_09: And Nestor Duran and Richard Zedo have been pretty hot this year.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_09: They've won a lot of 870 races together, and Richard Zedio is doing really well at Sam Houston.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_09: So this is a horse that I think can hit the board if you're playing the trifecta.
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_16: And that will lead us on to the big race of the night at Sam Houston, the grade two Sam Houston faturity for$655,000, going 350 yards.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_16: I think that the horse to beat is gonna be the two DK Bonita Jess.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_16: She's had two wins in one second this year, and the second was in Louisiana Downs faturity in March.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_16: And also, I don't know if you remember her sister, DK Marnie Jess was quite the runner herself, so I think she might be following in her older sister's footsteps.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, this horse is my top pick too.
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_09: Her only loss is to Whoopi Cowgirl, and you had mentioned to me earlier that Nestor qualified five to the race, and he stays on DK Bonita Jess, so it's really hard not to pick this horse on top.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_09: I have the one for second, JJ Kiss.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_09: This horse qualified for the West Texas early, and I always like to see a horse that qualifies for those earlier fraternities, and then as it gets later in the year that's still qualifying.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_09: But the big thing that I circled is this horse picked up Francisco Caleron for the finals, and anytime you can get a top-class rider like him, it's always an advantage to me.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_16: And I also think that a top runner in this race is gonna be the seven Corona's first cowboy, the fastest qualifier to the fraturity, and it all has already qualified to a furity this year, and that was the Texas Breeders' Faturity in May, running fifth, but other than that, has been very, very successful.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, Corona's first cowboy looked really good in the trials.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_09: One thing that I kind of highlighted is that she's won three out of four, and she's had a different rider every time that she's won.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_09: And you don't see that a lot.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_09: Sometimes changing riders will hurt a horse, but this horse doesn't seem to be bothered by that aspect.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_16: Yeah, Yancy, I think that this is gonna be a very tough race.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_16: Honestly, it's pretty open.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_16: These are all great two-year-olds, the best in Texas.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, this is the highlight of Texas racing, other than the Texas classic night.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_09: I would say the Sam Houston Fraternity night with all the stakes races is kind of what all the Texas riders and Texas trainers look forward to on the year.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_08: And there you have it, the stakes preview section on Quarter Horse Racing Talk Weekly for the upcoming weekend of June 13th and 14th.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_10: All right, Bailey, that's all the time we have here on Quarter Horse Racing Talk Weekly and another great show.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_10: And it was very informative, as mentioned in the opening.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_10: You know, this is one of those high-level type podcasts this episode at like this week.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_10: It's for those serious people that are in the quarter horse industry that just want to know more, especially when they're looking at a catalog page and you know, should have been a patent thing called this is the Robin Glenn way of doing it.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_10: And uh it was I I thought I knew enough, but you know, there's just no way you can go through this episode and not come out of it not actually getting educated on how to read a catalog page.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_16: Yeah, Greg, Robin Glenn is one of the great women of the sport, and I think that she deserves herself in the AQHA Hall of Fame one day.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_10: Without a doubt, her contributions are just enormous of the way we're currently doing it.
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_10: And it was one of the interesting things to take from the podcast is that it really hasn't changed a tremendous amount from when the standard was set and it got to that point.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_10: It's almost like a race car that was finely tuned, and uh and that race car has just been running that way for quite some time.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_10: So looking forward to next week as well on this podcast.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_16: You're going out of town, aren't you, Greg?
• 1:00:05
  SPEAKER_10: Yes, I am going out of town, and which means that next week is a f almost a 100% Bailey Ivy produced podcast.
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_10: So looking forward to hearing that one.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_16: Well, I would love to tell y'all who's gonna be the featured guest next week, but I'll let y'all wait in here.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_10: Well, with that being said, continue to listen here on Court Horse Racing Talk Weekly.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_10: The number one podcast in all of Quarter Horse Racing, and I'm Greg Thompson, the Stallion Easter.
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_16: And I'm Bailey Ivy.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_10: And we'll see you next week in listening to Bailey's podcast.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_10: We'll see you then.