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#1727 Whaddya Mean, I'm Disabled - Don Elgin · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I'll get a champions Craig, Anthony Harper, Donald James, William
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  Speaker 1: Elgan and Tiffany and cook high cookie hier HAPs you
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  Speaker 1: are you're looking a little bit seedy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's been forty eight hours laying in my
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  Speaker 2: bed eating frosty fruits.
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  Speaker 1: I did get a snapshot of you. This is going
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  Speaker 1: to sound much more exciting than it is. Folks of
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  Speaker 1: you in bed, and it was you and a menagerie
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  Speaker 1: of animals, you looking like fucking death warmed up. So
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  Speaker 1: please don't send me shit like that again, because I
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  Speaker 1: got PTSD now and I can't get that fucking image
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  Speaker 1: out of my head. It's out of my phone. But
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  Speaker 1: I didn't deserve that. What precipitated the fourteen and twelve
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  Speaker 1: spews that you've had in the last Hey everyone, I
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  Speaker 1: hope you're enjoying your dinner too. I hope it's not
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  Speaker 1: a casserole. What what? What have you got? What's wrong
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  Speaker 1: with you?
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  Speaker 2: I've got no idea, but it come on hard and.
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  Speaker 1: Fast, haks hard Like I drove.
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  Speaker 2: I got tired after our last podcast, and then at
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  Speaker 2: the end of the day, I drove down to take
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  Speaker 2: Luna for a quick run in the park before bed.
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  Speaker 2: We pulled up in front of the park. Luna started
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  Speaker 2: carrying on in the back like she does, and I
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  Speaker 2: just got hot all over and went off, I've got
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  Speaker 2: to get home.
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  Speaker 1: And I thought I wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't.
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  Speaker 2: I thought I wasn't going to make it back inside
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  Speaker 2: the hot I thought it was going to pass out.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, it's not that. It's not the menopause, is it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think the menopause causes projectile.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well I'm no expert, so all right, then
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  Speaker 1: Donald's he's Don's pretty much a doctor. He'll tell us
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  Speaker 1: what's your proscript? What's your diagnosis?
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  Speaker 3: Doc?
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  Speaker 1: She's fucked clinically speaking, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You're screwed. But the good is this, this will pass
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  Speaker 3: a lot of passing going on, but now you'll come good,
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  Speaker 3: like just a shipload of water, flush about whatever. It
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  Speaker 3: is a bit of a bug you before.
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  Speaker 2: Fruits, though frosty fruits.
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  Speaker 3: The mate, isn't it?
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  Speaker 1: Isn't it funny when you crook how you just crave
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  Speaker 1: sugary carby ship because you know Lincoln.
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  Speaker 3: But we picked that up when we're young, don't we.
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  Speaker 3: Mom and Dad gives us that like the flat lemonade
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  Speaker 3: or something or a bit of sugar when we're young,
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  Speaker 3: and so that sounds default.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody's sitting at home feeling crooked, going, Jess, I
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  Speaker 1: love a canna tuna, Give me toast with honey, give
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  Speaker 1: me all the white bread toasted with honey, and or
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  Speaker 1: jam Don, welcome to the show. How are you, son?
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  Speaker 3: Mate? I am excellent better than cookie. That's a fact.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't say that lightly because it's a pretty
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  Speaker 3: rare opportunity. I get to say that because she's usually
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  Speaker 3: firing on all cylinders and got shit sorted. So I
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  Speaker 3: do wish you well, might hug you. You come good soon, Tiff.
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  Speaker 3: But has I'm flying, mate? I was. I've had a
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  Speaker 3: cracking year around about eighty events this year in the
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  Speaker 3: in the airport, so I've been overseas six times. I'm
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  Speaker 3: loving life. That's exactly how I set it up to
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  Speaker 3: live this life. I remember body years ago, when I
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  Speaker 3: was a little tacker at the camera, people would say, oh,
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  Speaker 3: Don travels great, but then you've got to get back
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  Speaker 3: to your normal grind. And as a kid growing up,
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  Speaker 3: I thought, I don't want to have a normal grind.
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  Speaker 3: I want to have a life I wake up every day,
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  Speaker 3: you can go giddy up, and the fact that I
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  Speaker 3: wake up, you know, my leg's still missing. And I
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  Speaker 3: check every day.
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  Speaker 1: Right, it's just a big day.
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  Speaker 3: It's going to be a large night the day that
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  Speaker 3: grows back. But seriously, so I've created a life and
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  Speaker 3: I look at it and go hair goods, and I
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  Speaker 3: see people. I see people that are at airports and
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  Speaker 3: they're frustrated to be there. And so I don't ever
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  Speaker 3: want to get to that point. I want to I
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  Speaker 3: want to be bloody grateful that I'm there. May even
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  Speaker 3: I'm the head and do it a shipole, I still
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  Speaker 3: want to go, yep, this is cool, how good this is.
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  Speaker 3: I'm heading to a ship.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, but there'll be cool people that might
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  Speaker 1: I suggest that if you do wake up one day
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  Speaker 1: and your leg has well, didn't really grow away, you
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  Speaker 1: do magically have at your left leg that's missing, isn't
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  Speaker 1: it is? If you don't magically have a whole left leg,
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking you might not know what the fuck to
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  Speaker 1: do with it. I wonder how well you'd be able
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  Speaker 1: to traverse the landscape with a whole leg on the
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  Speaker 1: left side. You wouldn't know how to work it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I tell you, one day I literally fell asaid
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  Speaker 3: I was absolutely spent. I fell asleep my leg on.
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  Speaker 3: I don't set my leg on because it's like you
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  Speaker 3: slept your shoes on. You just unless you really pissed doores,
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  Speaker 3: you just don't do it like it's uncomfortable. And so
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  Speaker 3: I fell asleep my leg on one day and I
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  Speaker 3: woke up and I walked and I was like, I
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  Speaker 3: was I've never done drugs in my life, but I
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  Speaker 3: swear to God, I don't reckon it'd be a drug
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  Speaker 3: as good as that feeling gone, Holy shit, how good
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  Speaker 3: is this wake just the wake up? And what I
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  Speaker 3: was like tripping at the fact that people do this
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  Speaker 3: shit every day and they don't even think twice about it.
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  Speaker 3: And yes, for me, I was like, that's awesome, but
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  Speaker 3: I must admit it was also it's uncomfortable, like one
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  Speaker 3: of my best feelings, and Tiss out of the three
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  Speaker 3: of us, tips probably going to be the best to
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  Speaker 3: agree or disagree with this. But my leg is tailor made,
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  Speaker 3: it fits perfect, and it's got a job to do.
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  Speaker 3: At the end of the day, I take it off.
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  Speaker 3: And my understanding is it's a bit like taking off
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  Speaker 3: of bra It's like, what a bloody and nice feeling.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not that happy spot. So me when I get
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  Speaker 3: my leg off at the end of the day, if
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  Speaker 3: I have to put it back on, I'm hoping, like
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  Speaker 3: hell it's the next day, because if we've got to
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  Speaker 3: put it on and I've already mentally checked out or
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  Speaker 3: taken the leg off, then it's sort of like fuck,
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  Speaker 3: it's a pun nuss And it's not really a panas.
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  Speaker 3: It's just it's such a good feeling to get it
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  Speaker 3: off at the end of the day. It feels buddy great.
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  Speaker 1: How long does it take to get on in the morning?
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  Speaker 3: A seconds, mate, I've got my record is nine seconds,
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  Speaker 3: So not that I'm competitive, but I do like to
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  Speaker 3: have a crack and now that I've got to have
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  Speaker 3: everything mined up though, the socks and everything right the go.
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  Speaker 3: But it's like I roll a silicon sleeve on, it's
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  Speaker 3: got a pin in the bottom of it, I push
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  Speaker 3: it in the whole bang We're good to go. So
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  Speaker 3: it's that easy. So I've got no reason to winge.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I've got legs that used to have
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  Speaker 3: straps go over my knee and up my thigh around
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  Speaker 3: my waist, one more over my shoulder, and you know
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  Speaker 3: when you're wearing that type of technology as well. So
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  Speaker 3: bloody fortunate to go through life now because I've seen
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  Speaker 3: the evolutional legs, Like I just got my procesor saying
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  Speaker 3: to me the other day, Don there's this new leg
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  Speaker 3: and it's a waterproof leg. You can wear thongs with
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  Speaker 3: it on, going Like I can't wear thongs because I
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  Speaker 3: can't keep the leg on on the thong on my
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  Speaker 3: artificial legs. But I've also got fucking little shit toes
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  Speaker 3: on my good foot, So even if I wanted to
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  Speaker 3: wear the I'm a crocs king, mate, I've got crops
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  Speaker 3: on now because I literally can't wear thongs. But hearing
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  Speaker 3: about this technology, I'm just going, how body good is this?
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  Speaker 3: That this stuff exists in my lifetime? You know, And
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  Speaker 3: I'm in a country that's fortunate through the NDIS or
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  Speaker 3: whatever means, then I'm going to be able to get
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  Speaker 3: access to it. So I'm boddy wrap that it exists.
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  Speaker 1: I feel, without having done any research on this, which
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  Speaker 1: is pretty much typically my way, that the evolution of
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  Speaker 1: prosthetic legs from say nineteen hundred to nineteen eighty what
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  Speaker 1: was probably a steady inclimb, but from say nineteen ninety
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  Speaker 1: or ninety five until now, it's been a sharp kind
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  Speaker 1: of inflection up. It's like it feels like the last
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  Speaker 1: twenty years there's been two hundred years of development in
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  Speaker 1: that space.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, bang on my big like crypto, but without the
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  Speaker 3: fall like it just keeps going and going and it
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  Speaker 3: has planted out. There's no question about that. I got
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  Speaker 3: my first. I was in that group of athletes that
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  Speaker 3: got a jay leg that was the first start of
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  Speaker 3: a running blade, and looking back, it was fucking shit
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  Speaker 3: out suck. It was was really stiff and you couldn't
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  Speaker 3: get much out of it. But when you're wearing it
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  Speaker 3: and you go, holy shit, this is better than having
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  Speaker 3: a sash foot or a bit of rubber on the
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  Speaker 3: bottom of a wooden leg. You feel like king of
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  Speaker 3: the kids, you know, because you can run fast with it.
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  Speaker 3: But now that you see the blades, like the Cheetah
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  Speaker 3: is the one that I wear now, and it's not
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  Speaker 3: even a running leg. It's actually a running leg that's
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  Speaker 3: been modified down to an everyday fight activity leak. So
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  Speaker 3: you know, when you see that sort of stuff, it's
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  Speaker 3: the same like Formula one. You know, they put the
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  Speaker 3: research and development into the top level stuff and then
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  Speaker 3: it filters, It finds its way down into the suburban
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  Speaker 3: family car, the right oil to use and better fuel
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  Speaker 3: and all that shit. So same with legs. They put
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  Speaker 3: all the energy into the fast guys, the people that
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  Speaker 3: could do something with it and push it and test it,
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  Speaker 3: and then it finds its way in every day. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm pretty fortunate, mate, But you're right in terms of
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  Speaker 3: the development, I reckon it's pretty much pladded out. But
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  Speaker 3: what was really cool about it is you had athletes
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  Speaker 3: like me just go what else can we do with this? Well,
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  Speaker 3: how can we push this? I had a running blade,
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  Speaker 3: so in discus, I want to rotate around at the
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  Speaker 3: back of the circle and then get across the circle
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  Speaker 3: really fast block and then well, you know, like get
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  Speaker 3: that whip to throw the disc. And I thought, if
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  Speaker 3: I use a running blade at the back of the circle,
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  Speaker 3: then I'm going to get across really quick. But imagine
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  Speaker 3: if I could use a running blade and be completely balanced.
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  Speaker 3: So I put a universal swivel through the blade so
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  Speaker 3: I could pirou it perfectly, and then when I lau
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  Speaker 3: across the circle. It was like dialog. I couldn't control
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  Speaker 3: I got to the front, I was like out of
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  Speaker 3: control on my ass so many times. But that's that's
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  Speaker 3: the evolution, you know. It comes with a desire for
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  Speaker 3: finding something better and more brains than I've got for
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  Speaker 3: people to actually make it work. My very first attempt
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  Speaker 3: at it, we used a full drive suspension sprick we
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  Speaker 3: can way to a kilos. I couldn't move it, mate,
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  Speaker 3: it was too heavy, but we had got us thinking
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  Speaker 3: about what can we do with this? So yeah, it's
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  Speaker 3: really cool now to see some great stuff out there.
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  Speaker 1: I would imagine that a spatial awareness or rotational awareness
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  Speaker 1: would be a big issue when you're pivoting like a
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  Speaker 1: fucking ball arena with a discus in your hand, because
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  Speaker 1: if you release that at the wrong time, you're going
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  Speaker 1: to kill seven people.
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  Speaker 3: Well that's why they've got a cage here, mate, for lunatics.
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  Speaker 3: But fortunately, fortunately nobody died in the making of those
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  Speaker 3: fast legs. But I haven't seen any the girls like
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  Speaker 3: it on the scene. Most people. Most people just work
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  Speaker 3: out what works for them, And I think that's where
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  Speaker 3: you know, you ask the question and you better have
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  Speaker 3: been born without a body part or acquiring a disability
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  Speaker 3: somewhere along the line. And for me, I was literally
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  Speaker 3: just at a physio this morning and she's talking about
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  Speaker 3: my stump because I was actually trying to get qualified
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  Speaker 3: or get a classification for another sport. I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: have a crack at so watch this space. But she's
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  Speaker 3: saying to me, what's your stump? Like I said, I
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  Speaker 3: shoot you not. You probably won't find another one like it.
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  Speaker 3: It is so resilient. It's tough, but you can hit
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  Speaker 3: the bottom and I'm not asking you to do this,
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  Speaker 3: but I can hit the bottom of my stump and
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to hit the roof. For some people,
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  Speaker 3: you can't touch the stump. And I think that's got
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  Speaker 3: a lot to do with the fact that over the years,
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  Speaker 3: as a kid wearing ill fitting legs, it just got
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  Speaker 3: tougher and tough. It's like resilience, you know, you just
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  Speaker 3: you fall over, you'd get up and you go, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: I can do that again. And my stumps learnt and
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't have the nerve endings and the tenderness that
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  Speaker 3: somebody having their legs chopped off and has never weight
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  Speaker 3: bed on it has. So yeah, I'm pretty fortunate.
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  Speaker 1: Mate. Well, you probably desensitize it over the years, and
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  Speaker 1: also it is probably like is it very callous imagine
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  Speaker 1: it would be as no, Yeah, I would.
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  Speaker 3: Sort of go through phases. So when it doesn't fit well,
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  Speaker 3: so my body weight. And I always struggle with this
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  Speaker 3: bit because you put your shoes in, put your foot
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  Speaker 3: in your shoe, and there's a bit of movement, right,
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  Speaker 3: even with leather shoes and shit, and you've got a
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  Speaker 3: bit of time, Like if you put a bit of
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  Speaker 3: weight on, typically your shoes will still fit, they'll carry
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  Speaker 3: you around. If I put some weight on, like this
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  Speaker 3: is this is a plaster cast plaster pars of my stump,
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  Speaker 3: so it's made perfectly for me to fit into it.
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  Speaker 3: So you start putting weight on, like one or two
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  Speaker 3: kilos or take it off. Then all of a sudden
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  Speaker 3: there's movement in there that it just doesn't fit right.
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  Speaker 3: And then you've got rubbing, and then you get then
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  Speaker 3: you create problem. But the drama is the climates. You know,
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  Speaker 3: when you're sweating like a pig, it's a silicon sleeve,
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  Speaker 3: so the sweat builds up in there. If you don't
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  Speaker 3: take it off, wipe it down and keep it going.
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  Speaker 3: Then it basically just creates a problem for yourself. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: i'd certainly say it's reactive to what I do. So
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  Speaker 3: if I look after it, it'll react. Well, if I don't,
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  Speaker 3: well it still reacts. But it ends up with.
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  Speaker 1: Now do you know where you and I met? I
• 13:11
  Speaker 1: don't even know, did you? Do you know we've met
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  Speaker 1: before today?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, at buck somewhere and you invite them down
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  Speaker 3: to the gym and I said I'll get there, and
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  Speaker 3: I never made it.
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  Speaker 1: I've been looking out the window for fifteen years. But
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  Speaker 1: don't worry. That's fine.
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  Speaker 3: I keep looking. I'll go past. I'm usually on my back.
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  Speaker 3: I can do it. I'd usually give you a wave.
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  Speaker 3: It was the end. I can't remember, mate, it was.
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  Speaker 3: It was a long time, It wasn't It was.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I interviewed thousands of people, and you've done
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  Speaker 1: thousands of interviews. So I was, do you know this?
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  Speaker 1: I should admit what I'm about to admit because it's
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  Speaker 1: it's essentially discrimination. I was thick because I interviewed you
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  Speaker 1: a couple of times, and also Michael Milton, Oh yes,
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  Speaker 1: and I was I was thinking, what was Don's downhill?
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  Speaker 1: Skiing record.
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  Speaker 3: What was that?
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  Speaker 1: What was that downhill? And then I'm like, oh, fucking
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  Speaker 1: how bad is that? And then as I'm like, no,
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  Speaker 1: that was the other bloke with one leg.
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  Speaker 3: The others he was the other bloke with one How
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  Speaker 3: fucking bad of that? Like, I'm not really apologize, No,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. Michael Milton is at above me. Michael
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  Speaker 3: Milton got really pissed with me for a bit because
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  Speaker 3: I was the first person with the disability to drive
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  Speaker 3: in his celebrity challenge and and when I first did it,
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  Speaker 3: he rang me up and I thought, oh, that's nice.
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  Speaker 3: I don't really speak to Michael. He's a winter sport fella,
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  Speaker 3: lunatic and Paul got cancer, you know, like I've been
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  Speaker 3: very fortunate my run, and he goes, how do you
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  Speaker 3: get into that race? I thought, fucking hello, Michael, and
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  Speaker 3: I said, I've just been I've been stalking the Grand
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  Speaker 3: Prix Corporation for a number of years. Mate. I let
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  Speaker 3: him know who I am, and I'm ready. He is
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  Speaker 3: he I said, I wanted to get in to then
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  Speaker 3: and go, oh fucking good luck, see lader, Michael. We
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: didn't have a lot to do with each other, with
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: different personality types, but like he has anyone who's had cancer,
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  Speaker 3: And Kelly Cart writes another girl that I have a
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: fair bit to do with Keller manager. I. Cancer is
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  Speaker 3: one of those things that you really never sleep soundly
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  Speaker 3: at night, particularly if you've lost a leg to it,
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  Speaker 3: all that sort of stuff. So when it comes back
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  Speaker 3: and Michael got in the throat and stuff, of course,
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  Speaker 3: I just actually I realize how fortunate I am, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like the disability for me, the heart's edge, you're at
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  Speaker 3: three years of age, all that sort of shit. It's
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  Speaker 3: done and dust that what you see is what you get.
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  Speaker 3: And I've just grown up with all this, whereas I'm
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  Speaker 3: not looking over my shoulder going fuck, am I going
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  Speaker 3: to lose a finger next week? Or is it going
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  Speaker 3: to get my other leg? It's like, no, mate, this
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  Speaker 3: is your cant. So it's easy to come to terms
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  Speaker 3: with that. So whereas I reckon, it's got to be
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  Speaker 3: a bit harder, you know, I reckon.
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  Speaker 1: I reckon also, And I don't know, but I'm asking you,
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  Speaker 1: like I would think emostly inside ecologically, there's not the
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: same trauma associated because you never had that, but that
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: you know, you never had that leg and so you
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: don't miss it in inverted commas.
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, I get that, and I've heard that
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: a lot over the years, and I don't disagree. I
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: think what happens is when I was a kid, I
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: was dead set going tied to punching on and having
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: fights with other kids because they teach me so like
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: they found the trauma is a different It's like the
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: trauma of oh shit, I've lost my leg now, And
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that losing
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: a limb or some sort of function, acquired brain injury,
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: any of that sort of stuff, there is still a
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: it might sound weird, but there's a grieving process to it.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: You've got you've actually got to come to terms with
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: the fact that it's gone. It's not coming back. And
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: if you don't do that, you always have this what
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: if or why me? Or you have a component of
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: you that's never really settled. But the moment you go
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: through that proce and go, oh fuck it, you know,
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: my dad was awesome at this. He goes mate. Even
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: if we find out exactly why you're missing your leg,
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: and your brother and your three sisters all got theirs,
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: it's not going to make one ounce of difference. It's
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: not going to go back. So don't look back about
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: and ask them why, just look forward and saying well,
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: I've got one good leg. And so that for me
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: is it's probably the strength for me over the years.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: It's the trauma or the disappointment of not having a leg.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: It raises its head from time to time. But I'm
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: really quick to be able to put it to bed
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: and go. Mate, that's a view. It doesn't hold space
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: with me anymore. So she'll be right and away we go.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: So yeah, but I reckon losing a leg. There's far
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: more for you to contemplate, and typically not a lot
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: of people lose it at such a young age. Kids
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: are the bomb because they're resilient because I don't know
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: any different. If you lose a limb as an adult,
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: you've had a life time of knowing how to walk,
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: no one, how to fit in, knowing knowing how to
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: create your way. Mate, I created a way as a
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: one leg of block. So that's my way.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, dad's dad and mum sound like though. I mean,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: obviously you're not prepared for that as a parent. You
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: don't know how to deal with that until you've got
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: to deal with it. There's I'm sure there's a book now,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: but at the time there was probably no five step
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: plan of how to deal with young don so they
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: must have done a pretty good job. Though.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Oh I made I reckon they nailed it. Like my
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: mum and dad young lovers, got married with no young,
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: had us kids young. You know, when I'm talking young,
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: I'm talking nineteen twenty twenty one in the first three
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: sort of thing. So and then I sort of followed suited.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: I was married at twenty one, first kid at twenty two,
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: so I think it's sort of it makes sense. But
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: their approach was absolutely one hundred percent old school, where
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: if it's don't broke, if it's not broken, don't try
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: and fix it. If if you My mum was awesome,
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: and she probably took the line's share of shit unfortunately,
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: because she knew that if I was to go okay
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: in life, then I was going to have to get
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: off my mass. She wasn't going to be there to
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: hold my hand all the time. Unfortunately, she checked out
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: for the last time last year, so she's corrected that.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: But up until then, what she'd said is every time
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: I fell over she'd just get up, give you have
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: another go, And so that the words I heard were
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: things that were going to stack me in good stead
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: for life. And my dad, I think he he my
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: old man used to do a bit of boxing and
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: was going to have a crack at golden gloves and
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: until my mum said you fucking go to boxing and
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: not me on that day, then we're done. So which
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: was I just think my old man for varsity's got
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: that hanging over his head and say, oh, I could
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: have got golden gloves And anyway ended up with my mum,
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: which was a much better ticket. But a really cool
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: thing for him was that they were on the same page.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: So Mum was always there with a big heart and
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: mopped up when Dad was too brutal in terms of
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: saying bucket mate. You know like sometimes sometimes as a kid,
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: what you think you need is a cuddle. In actual
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: fact you need to foot up the ass. And it's
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: a balance act to when do you give the foot
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: and when you give the cuddle, And my dad was
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: he'd go the foot first, and over time, to his credit,
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: as he got older, he got way more nurturing. But
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: as kids, I think if my parents had been really
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: super nurturing when I was young, I reckon I would
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: have struggled as a kid growing up as an adult today,
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't be who I am And that tough love
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: odd bloody rate it, mate. I'm a big fan of
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: tough love and it served me really well.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, I'm not. Surprisingly, I think all three of
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: us are. But it's it's it's interesting because like, you
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: want to love and look after your kids, of course,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: and you want to be there for them, but at
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: the same time, you want them to be strong and
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: resilient and independent and capable of dealing with discomfort and
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: uncertainty because the world gives no fucks about their emotions
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: and and you know, so trying to find that right
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: balance between letting them know that they're loved and they're okay,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: but also letting them fall down and scrape their knees
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: without you running in to pick them up. Because how
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: do kids get strong or resilient or capable if they
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: never have to do anything hard or get uncomfortable.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: That's right, It's a learned behavior, isn't it. So whatever
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: we're learning is our level of resilience or lack of
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: because we learn Okay, we fall over or just have
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: to put my hand up or make enough noise and
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Mum's going to pick me up. Yeah, I can make
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: all the noise in the world. Mum's so exactly something.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: And that's why I say I record. Mum got the
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: raw end because her sister and sisters would say to her, oh,
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: you bitch, pick him up. He's only got one leg
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: and one would be like hearing this from her loved
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: ones and she's got nah. He's got to learn to
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: do it without it, without me. And you just think,
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: what a courageous woman to stand up to the people
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: that fucking pointing you out and calling you out for
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: not being there for your kids, because none of us
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: want that. But her vision and view of how to
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: raise me was, in my opinion, hands down better than
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: that I could possibly have asked for.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, hey mate. For those of our listeners who
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: don't know anything about your sporting background, can you just
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: give us like a little bit of a two minutes,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: ten minutes, as much or as little as you want.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Where did the sporting career start, what did it look like?
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: And can you give us a little bit of this
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: is your life, of your sporting career just and then
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: I might weave a few questions.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: In yeah I made I was pretty fortunate. I was
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: born without the below half my leg, and then that
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: meant that the same opportunities weren't going to exist for
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: me as they were for my brother. What I didn't
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: realize is that I was being raised in the same
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: vein as my brother, so disabled, handicapped, special like the
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Paralympic Games. Although back when I was born they weren't
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: a big thing, but they certainly weren't even They weren't
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: a welcome thing in our house. My parents weren't looking
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: for that. They said, Mayne, you'll play footy. Just go
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: down and play footy with your brother. And that's what
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: I did. So I grew up in an able bodied world,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: but always being a bit pissed off that I couldn't
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: keep up like I was always and then people would
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: make excuses for me, Oh, it's okay, you've got one leg.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: I go I fucking no one got one leg. But
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: I still want to win that race, you know. So
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: there's that little bit of mongol that sort of creeps
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: in because you just you've got to fight a little
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: bit harder and then a couple of my mates at
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: high school said to me, mate, why don't you go
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: to the Paralympics. And I'd never heard of them. And
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: when they told me that the Paralympics stand for parallel
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: to the Olympics, so I started getting a bit excited
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: because I've heard stories about the village and I thought
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: this could be all right. And then they and they
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: said that the Olympics overseas, and so if that's the case,
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: so of the Paralympics, And I just thought, how could
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: would that be to go overseas? Mate? So I'm from Tokamo.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Tokmo had twelve hundred and a half people, mate, I
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: was the half like I am, thinking this is gonna
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: be awesome. So I went home and I said to
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: my man mom and Dad, I shit, you're not. I
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: still remember it like it was yesterday. I walked in.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: I put my bag, my school bag on the ground.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Mum's peeling spuds at the sink. Dad's standing behind her,
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: groping her, holding her up, and I said, Mom, Dad,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go to the Paralympics. But Dad said,
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: you're going to go the What and what was really
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: interesting is Mum stopped peeling spuds and Dad stopped groping mump,
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: and they both looked at me and said, you're going
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: to go to the war. I said to the Paralympics
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: and Dad said what are they? And I said, oh,
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: they're games for disabled people. Shit, you're not My Dad
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: said you're not bloody disabled, and I thought there goes
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: my true overseas. So I had to convince mom and
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Dad that I was disabled, and sadly didn't take that long,
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: but I got to go to my first ever. We
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: got the Yellow Pages out, we looked up Amputees and
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: MPT Association. I was living TOKENMLL to New South Wales.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Found the New South Wales Emput Championship. Said fuck, that's
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: in Sydney. Let's see if we can go to the
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: Victoria once because I've come down here to get my
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: legs made in Melbourne. It's only three hours and they said, nah,
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: you're a New South Wales athlete. We don't want anything
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: to do with you. You belong up there. So we
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: rang Robin Howe, who was a president of the New
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: South Wales Empt Championships, went up to Sydney, competed in
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: my first ever New South Wales Empte Championships. And that
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: was after I shoult you not. It was a whoa,
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: what the fuck is this? But I went up there.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: My parents ran a public swimming pool. I can swim
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: reasonably well. I went up there to swim in five
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: events and I thought it was bloody win everything. I thought,
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: I'm not really disabled. I'm going to swim against disabled people.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: I've got this. And I looked around. Here's all these
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: people missing and missing legs. And I've never seen me
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: shit before, never like. The most I've seen is maybe
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: one or two other amputees at the leg joint, not
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: a whole bloody group of them. And I thought, wow, bloody,
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: a bunch of freaks. I thought, I've got you lot.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: But yeah, And then I went in the five events
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: and I won two, but in the other three I
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: got my ass kicked. At that point, that was the
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: turning point for me, my entire life, to be honest,
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: not just for me, but for mom and dad, because
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: their perception of what they had been told about disabled
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: and disability and handicap and people that weren't like everybody
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: else was flipped on its head. All of a sudden.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: This shit was hard and if I was going to
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: make it. That sort of seemed to be music to
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: my dad's ears. He liked the fact that it wasn't
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: going to be walking the park, you know, like if
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: I was going to make it, I'd have to earn it.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: And so after that I really got stuck into swimming.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: And I tried out for at the national championships for
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: the nineteen ninety two Barcelona Paralympic Games, and I missed
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: out by one spot. And at the time of sixteen,
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: and I was fucking filthy. I thought, like, I've broken
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: national records. I was ringing up Mum and Dad. I
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: was staying there at Parkville and I was ringing them
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: up every day. Oh, national record fifty four hundred and three.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: And things were going pretty good. And at the end
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: of the games, I announced the teams, and when I
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: missed out, I just thought, fuck you, and Dad come
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: down pick me up. Everybody else is going out to
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: celebrate that night, and we're driving home and I said, Dad,
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: staff quit, I've had enough, mate. He said, what do
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: you mean you quit? I said, I've retired. I'm done.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: He said, you're fucking sixteen. You're a bit young to retire,
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: how about you have another crack. And so next year
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: I went to the Stage Champs and I did swimming
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: and athletics. I come back from there with ten gold medals.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: I thought, this is I'm back. I love this. And
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: I had the very very good fortune to speak to
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: one of the head coaches, Chris Nunn, and he said, mate,
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: if you had a real opportunity to represent the country,
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: what would you have to do? Either swimming or athletics,
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: Because you're gonna have to get serious because the great
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: athletes that make these teams they don't do facking everything.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: You might be good at everything, but at that level
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: you won't make it. And I said, I'd rather do athletics.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: He said why, I said, because the guys who are
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: athletics are having more fun. I said, And at home
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: in the middle of winter, our swimming pool's cold and
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: green and slimy. At least if I'm doing athletics, I
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: can play footy and still get fit. So that was
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: the start of my athletic career. I spent the next
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: well a couple of years training mass off. I was
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: fortunate to make the Atlanta Paralympic Games, and then I
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: ended up with four World Championships and three Parampic Games,
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: a couple of World Cups and the Commonwealth Games. And
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: I spent the best part of twenty years representing the country,
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: you know, just playing sport. And it's never been wasted
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: on me that I played sport. You know, I didn't
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: save lives. I've got to travel the world. Yeah, I
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: had to raise money and stuff along the way. But
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: I've literally filled four passports. You know, I'm on my
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: fifth through just having them filled up with stamps because
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: I'm in another country to run or to push a
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: shot pull or throw a discu It's like, how good
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: is that? Like? Just very fortunate. And the event that
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: I chose was the pentathlon And often hear people say, oh,
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: the event chooses you and that bang on. I was
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: never great at any one thing, but I was reasonably
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: good at five and so which stacks up when you
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: you know, at the end of the day, when you
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: go over one metal, you need to be able to
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: put a really shit performance behind you really quickly and reset.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: And fortunately for me, maybe it's kid growing up, I
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: had a very strong mental approach to things. I was
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: able to compartmentalize things really quickly and not take the
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: bad chi into the next event, but to reset and
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: go again. And that served me really well. Most of
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: the time. Sydney wasn't so well I had. I finished
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: fourth in Atlanta and the Pentathlon. I'd finish fourth at
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: the World Champs in ninety eight. My goal was to
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: win a medal in my home country at the Sydney Games.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: In two thousand, I thought, this is it. I went
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: out at the Sydney Games. I was in after the
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: first two events. After the first three events, I was
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: sitting in the silver medal position. I was sitting decond
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: only behind the current world champion. And then I went
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: into the discus and as you line up, if you've
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: paid much attention to athletics, when you're lining up and
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: you're about to go into your event, the cameraman goes
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: along the line and the announcer says, oh, we've got
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: Thomas Bourgeois from America, and Urst colleague from Switzerland, and
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: I've got Don Elgen. And instead of the camera being
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: on me, the cameraman had found my wife and my
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: two year old daughter and the rest of the Don
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: Elgon cheers squad in the crowd and Thomas was beside
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: me goes, haven't got the big screen and looked up
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: on the big screen and here's my little girl with
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: her go Dad shirt on, and I just lost my shit.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: It was I'm getting choked now. I was so emotional.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: It was that this is I don't even need to
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: throw the discuss. This is the best moment of my life.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Like I'm at the pinnacle of sport, and I've got
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: the people that give a shit about me right there.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: So I had three throws of discuss that day with tears.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: I was crying the entire way and so fucking get
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: it together and I couldn't. I emotionally wasn't ready for
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: the impact. And then I dropped from second into third,
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: and it's like, fuck, I'm gonna blame Earth for that
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: for the rest of my life, but anyway, I better
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: get that shit sorted. So I went into the last event,
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: which was the four hundred meters, and I knew I
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: had to beat the American by six seconds, and if
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: I could do that, then I'd get my first ever
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: parentl PIC Metal, which would be a bronze. I'd have
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: to do some pretty crazy shit in the four hundred
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: and Honestly, I had it the four hundred, so it
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: wasn't likely I was going to do anything super amazing
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: in that event, and fortunately I did. I'd beat the
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: American and I ended up with a bronze medal, you
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: know in my home country.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Week Wow.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: So when you see people in the bronze his body
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: jumping around, they're really excited, probably sometimes more than silver
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: and maybe even go old. That's sometimes why I mate
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: is because what it means to get there.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I love that, mate, That's so good. And
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: that story about your little girl you did? I read
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: you've got four kids? How old are they? Yeah?
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: So my little girl's now twenty six year old nurse
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: who works in the Royal Melbourne and it's you know,
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: she did her work experience at the place that makes
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: my legs. So when you think about that connection and
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: what they're picking up by looking at me and my
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: wife and the people around them, you know, if you're
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: a care then that's what you do. So and then
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: I've got a twenty three year old twenty two, I'll
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: get the fuck they have birthdays. I'm good for a
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: full year saying this is how old they are. Then
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: they go and have a birthday and it starts my
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: little routine. How dare they George? And she's living her
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: best life, mate. She's an ambassador for an energy drink,
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: drives around body love and matt and works in the
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: corporate boxes, which just her people skills, her ability be
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: able to talk to people and just go, mate, that
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: is probably the greatest asset today for anybody that can
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: actually speak with their mouth. And I get that not
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: everybody is verbal and they can't all do that, but
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: the nation and the globe is moving towards speaking with
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: your thumbs and the ability this will never get old,
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: the ability to sit down and have a chat. And
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: she has that, which is bloddy awesome. I've got my
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: third born, my little midget. She's she is now just
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: eighteen to eighteen last week and finish year twelve and
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: so she's not sure what she's up to yet, which
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: is but exciting part time job. And then the boy,
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: the Golden Child as I like to refer to him
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: as he's he literally just finishes grade six this year
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: and he's off to high school next year. So yeah,
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: things that things are good in the olden camp.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Well, mate, it must be a bloody. It must be
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: a circus at your joint periodically. I guess they're not
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: all at home now though not now.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: But during COVID, I had Nutto and her fiance Bill
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: living in our house. So we had Evan in our
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: house during COVID. And we made the call after about
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: the fucking fifteenth lockdown that what is what's going to
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: be our reflection of COVID? How are we going to
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: you know, when we look back, what's it going to mean?
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: And I thought, you know what, my kids are going
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: to remember that we had good fun. So Nada, oh,
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: my firstborn, it was her job to create the game.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: So we'd have Elgin Olympics in our house most days,
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: and it was sometimes it was just body throwing m
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: and ms into a bowl or sliding a coin or
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: you know. So she'd come up with games each each
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: day for us, which was awesome. I come up with
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: a game and they reckon that I probably should be
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: off the games. Mine was to get their little you know,
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: the little mobile vacuums that just do their own thing
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: around the house. Well, I got everyone to blow up
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: a balloon and put it between their feet, and then
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: I strapped the knife to the vacuum, and just whoever's
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: balloon got popped last? They were the winner, But the
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: kids reckon. I was probably trying to recruit them into
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: being emput so I didn't get much of a gig
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: to pick games after that.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: No, it's not the death. No, I think it's great
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: that Dad's strapped a knife to the fucking vacuum. What
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: could go wrong?
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: But you could move. I mean we're just told don't move,
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: but you can. I mean you've got to use a
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: bit of con sense too. If it's coming at you,
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: get out of the way.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: So I want to let's talk a little bit about mindset.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about you at start. So I'm stumbling towards
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: the finish line and my doctorate in psychology, and so
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: I'm always talking just like you were talking. I guess
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: a lot about mindset and thinking and motivation, inspiration, fucking
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: self management, like how do I manage? How do I
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: get the most out of me? Are you like in
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: terms of you like the guy that we're seeing now,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: the high energy optimistic realist? Is that your default setting
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: or is that something that you've had to hone and
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: develop and build? Yeah?
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: Mate, absolutely, In the ladder. It's my default now. And
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: my dad would say to me when we're young, mate,
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: if you tell someone they're a dickhead long enough, they'll
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: believe it. I thought, fuck it, why would I want
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: to tell myself I'm a dickhead? Like, why don't I
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: tell myself life is awesome? So I would tell myself
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: every time, all the time, whenever good, bad or otherwise,
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: especially when things were shit, Our life's awesome. I fucking
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: find another way. Life is awesome. Don't forget life is awesome.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: And so I programmed myself to think like that. And
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: then what I'd started doing is I started getting feedback
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: from society. People go, oh, what do you want? You know,
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: what are you having? I want with your having a
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: fucking life? How good is this? Life's awesome? And it
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: wasn't until I think outs a fault setting because of
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: what we look up and see is the news, and
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: it's negative, and there's more that we create space, and
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: we enable pessimism to come in and hold way too
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: much ground in our life. And I go, it's there.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: The leg's not going back, but there's one good one.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: If we chop that one off, you know what, I'll
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: probably get a fucking wheelchair mine even an electric one
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: suit that up. So there's always a way to look
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: at things in a different line, and I just choose that.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: I've seen people that that have have succumb and agreed
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: that life's hard and it's negative. It's like, fuck, how
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: do you carry that weight around with you all day?
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: The burden that is on your shoulders looking to find
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: something that's wrong in the world? Like when when you
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: choose that? Nah? You know, like you can choose the
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: default setting that suits you. And for me, I'm a
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: helper mate. I ride a motorbike. I see someone broke down.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: I was lucky believers. Do you need a hand? People?
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: It freaks some people out there. You're the RSV. You've
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: got to quickly go Nah, made on just a country
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: right and home. I'm already wet. You're broke down? Do
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: you need my phone? Like? And you know what it does?
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: It fucking makes me feel good. It makes me feel
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: like I've actually contributed today. I might not have made
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: any money, I might not have done but a boddy,
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: I've helped somebody. And if somebody helps one of my
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: people one day when I can't be there for them,
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: bloody awesome, massive believer Craig of what goes around comes around,
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: and I see it. I just figured, well, if what
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: goes around is me putting good shit out, then what
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: should come around is good shit coming my way. And
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: somebody said to me, I think it was just today.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: This is how you feeling lucky? I said, bloody, an't
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: I'm lucky. You know, I am very lucky. I'm very
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: very fortunate. Good stuff happens to me. And I'm not
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: even willing to open the can and say, nah, I
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: never win anything, but that if you never win anything,
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: what have you just told the universe You're not going
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: to win? Not me. You know what I like the most,
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: and this is how I use it in my sporting
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: career is the medals at the param The Parlemer Games
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: do not come engraved. Quite simply is because they don't
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: know who's going to win them. The blueprint for the
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: future is not written. So I figure, fuck it, let's
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: ride ourselves into it. I've got no more ride than
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: any other person lining up on the games, apart from
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: the fact that I'm picturing myself having a crack. I've
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: done the training I needed to do. I am going
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: to do whatever I can to put myself in the
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: best possible position. Every now and then I find myself going, Okay,
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: I'm going down the wrong track reload, And that's why
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: you need that really strong network. But my default setting
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: now is of my choosing, and that is that life's
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: awesome and I want to stay there, and when I'm
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: not there, I try and get back there as soon
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: as again.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm very much kind of of the hangout with
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: people who drag you up mindset, and also be the
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: person that drags others up. You know, it's it's hanging
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: out with energy vampires is a hard gig. Ah, come on, bro,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: you know you've still got a care And I'm like, dude,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: this is like emotional quicks And every time I talk
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: to you, and I'm not talking about someone with mental
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: health issues necessarily, just someone with a fucking toxic attitude,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, God, take some Now, this new sport
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: that we're not talking about, No, this new sport that
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: you're training for, grasshopper? Are we thinking that at you're
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: what are you seventy four? And now at your no,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: how old are you?
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: Actually I'm right now today and this shit changes in
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: two weeks. I'm forty eight today, right, so get your
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: head on this. Yeah, this is my plan. I've got
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: a real good mate of mind. And she was at
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: the same three games I compared Ton't in Atlanta, ninety six,
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: Sydney in Athens, and we were just I went over
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: to Paris this year. I scored a little gig hosting
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: a commercial. I did a one of my other mates,
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: and there's about a little core group. It was about
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: five or six of us that have been really good
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: mates throughout our career, and a couple of them were
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: commentating at the games and she was sitting at Honger. Well,
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: you fuck is involved and doing shit and I'm not
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: doing anything. She goes, I reckon, I need to do something.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: So I sat out with her at the end and
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: I said what do you want to do? And she goes,
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: I don't know, And I thought, well, fucking this is
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: not a really good start. We need to have some
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: sort of concept. And then we both sort of hit
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: the point with it. What sort of rare group of
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: humans would be able to compete at two home games?
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: And so you know, you can do one or two
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: or three paralym bigs and it's people have done four, five, six,
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: and seven. That's a rare group. But how how small
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: must the pool be of athletes that have competed in
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: two home games? And we've got Brisbane coming up in
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: twenty thirty two, and we both competing in Sydney, and
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: it's like, fuck, you know what, that's only eight years away.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: But that, like that is nothing in the scheme of
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: thing I reckon. So and then we looked at it
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: and go, okay, let's be real, because you know, we
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: do a lot of speaking and we help people with
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: goal setting and different ways to do it. I have
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: a very simple goal setting philosophy. I just put it
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: like a ladder, and the very first thing I do
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: is go, where are we right now? What are all
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: the facts that we're dealing with? You know, oldie injuredy
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: fucking driven? What's the story? What's the real? And then
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: you know, what do you want to aim for me?
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: I would just go, no, let's say for the top.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: Let's actually have a crack at the very best thing,
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: the biggest, because why not, and then just work back
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: and put the steps into play. So if I'm to
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: go to the Paralympic Games in in eight years time.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: And then that means that I need to be at
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: apparentier games in four years. To get there, I need
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: to fill probably a couple of world champs in between that.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: Before that, I need to be at a nationals. I
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: need to be at a state. Okay, I'm going to
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: need a local club. And right there's the fucking map.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: Right now, we've worked backwards, we've sorted out. Now let's
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: take one step and just focus on that step. We'll
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: nail that one and then we either come back and
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: reload or we take the next step whatever we're at.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: And so really simple philosophy. But mine now, when I
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: sat down and had to look at the now, mine
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: now excluded me being super physical to go and paddle
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: a boat or you know, to run a marathon. Couldn't
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: be fucked my body. It's done what it needed to
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: get me to this point. But there's still plenty in
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: the tank for me to go. Oh, I can still
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: get strong enough. Maybe I could get strong enough to
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: hold a gun. Maybe I could get strong enough to
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: do a sport that requires a different skill set, like
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: a mental game, because I'm probably stronger there than I
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: am physically in my in my legs, my arm. Now.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: So anyway, that's where we're looking in that space, my friend,
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: and it's fucking exciting.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you can see what I wrote,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: helps hang on, I'll just tell you down the bottom
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: of my page. I wrote, Paris shooter, you know that
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: old dude, And because I was trying to guess the
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: sport and I'm thinking, well, it's not going to be
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: fucking Greco Roman wrestling or high jump because he's going
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: to be fifty six ish at the that's.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: My all over again. Not enough?
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, well he got twenty million for just lasting,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: so it ain't the worst gig I would Yeah, dude,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: I would have just jogged around the ring for four
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: rounds now.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: I would have worn him out in that time.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, tiffle to beat him though, no doubt.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: But yeah, like that, that is that's interesting, have you?
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: And I thought I thought maybe shooting and I was
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: thinking of that. Where was he from? Do you remember
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: where he was from?
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: That?
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Was he actually French? Or was he from Italian? And
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: he's shot in jeans and a T shirt and he's
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: hand in his pocket. Yeah, he didn't use the normal
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: bloody super duper sights or and then he.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: Did all the other Olympians just doing everybody you know,
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: doing the poses and ship. It was pretty cool, like
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: that's a you know when you see that sort of stuff,
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: you just go like it's one out of the bag.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: You know, I mustn't be our stuff might probably be
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: air rifle shooting, so it's not you know, the clay target,
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: not the cool shit, but still you know it's I
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: think for me, it's about saying is there a possibility
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: that something can be done? And I went to I
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: took the same approach into the and fourteen i'd been
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: the World Champs manager team manager. In twenty eleven, I
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: went to London as a team manager and then I
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: come back from London and the head coach and he goes, oh, mate,
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: I was thinking about you the other day. Fuck that's
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: dangerous and he goes, one of your events from your
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: pentathon is on at the Commonwealth Games in Glasgow in
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: twenty fourteen. I said, we'll get stuff mate, I'm eating pies.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: I'm done, and because my headspace was finished, and he said,
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: oh I was the disc it said, I made this
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: foolish mistaker saying what was the qualifying and he told
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: me what the qualifying distance was. I thought I could
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: fucking do that, and that's what happens in my head.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: It's like yes first. And so then I rang booth
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: my wife and I said, mate, what do you reckon?
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: The common Games are in Glasgow? Do you reckon? Do
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: you reckon? I have a crack? And I was sort
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: of half expecting her to go, mate, if I can
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: be in the four World Champs three pounder, because just
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: let it go, mate, it's all good, you've done it.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: And she said yeah, why not? And I thought, fucking
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: game on. So I literally come out of retirement and
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: I chase competitions around the country. I walked into a
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: PTE and I said who was pt for? My wife?
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: I said, do you want to coach a Commonwealth Games athlete?
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: And he goes, yeah, who? I said me, he guess
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: you haven't been a Commonalth Game? I said not yeah.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: And then I went to my processus, who is a
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: discus coach as well. I said, do you want to
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: coach comonth Games? I think? Guess who? I said, mecues
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: haven't been I said not yeah, and I shit you not?
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: I qualified by the skin and white teeth by two centimeters.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: I made the qualifying and went over to Glasgow and
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: I thought, okay, how good is this mate? So and
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: I used I used the process that I thought most
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: people had access to, which was not to go and
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: apply for an Institute of Sports scholarship, which I was fortunate,
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: I'd had one for twelve years throughout my career, take one.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: And I thought, because so many people go, oh, you're
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: just so lucky. You've got everything. You've got fucking access
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: to masulas and physios and diet and it's true, I do.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: But can the average punt I get off their ass
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: and go and do this? Is it possible? And so
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: that was what I sort of wanted to take into
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: more so so I could say to my kids and say, hey, guys,
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: fucking just don't die wondering, have a crack if you
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: crash a boon, stiff shit. You know, we're not saving lives,
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: We're playing sport. And so I wanted to see what
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: was possible. And then that is why I booked in
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: this physio the bill and clinic today and I went
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: down and seen it and said, I've just got to
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: get a classification and she's going okay, we'll put you
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: through all these tests. And she's going, can you move this?
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: Do this? And she goes she's you're strong, thank you,
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: and I just said, just fucking need a classification, and
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: she goes, I squeeze my hand and saying I'm used
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: to putting shot poots mate, like, and I'm thinking, you
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: really want me to squeeze it out? Thought I'll fucking
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: break your hand. I felt like, take it easy, and
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: she goes, no, no, I'll tell you when to stop if
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: I need to. And so anyway, all the right bits
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: are moving. We're good to go. There's no excuse not
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: to have a craft, mate, So watch this space, Halves.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: If I think you better come out of retirement, you
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: could make you first. You could make your first Olympic
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: team as a boxer, I mean, as a legit.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: Why not.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: We just need to fix that nerve impingement you've got
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: going on and stop throwing up for a bit.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: That might help.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: I made. I can talk to you for days, but
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: we don't have the time and people have probably got
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: shit to do. But I so love talking to you.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Know you're a natural at this.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: You know that.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: But you're such good talent. As we say in media,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: like you're such good talent. It's such a fun dude,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: You're so real and authentic. And as I said to
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: you before we started rolling, we don't do any interview.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: We just have a chat, and you definitely are great
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: at that. So one, I appreciate you and thank you.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: But two, how do people connect with you and find
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: you and get you to come to their company for
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: an obscene amount of money and inspire the masses?
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: Well, my dad is bloody awesome. Firstly, thanks for having me, mate,
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: I really I know you've got a full book. You've
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: got a shitload of really talented people. You've got access
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: to incredible people, and I'm really grateful for a chance,
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: just like I was when I had the opportunity to
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: have a chat with TIFFI, I'm really grateful to like you,
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: be surrounded by good people. It's an awesome space to
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: be in. My old man said to me when I
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: was young, My dam matter what you do, just keep
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: it simple. So my website is my name, all the
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: ws don elgin dot com dot au and all my
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: contact details are on there. JT takes care of business
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: for me. That is. Seriously, the easiest way to get
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: me is straight on my websit.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: You're again all right, mate, well say goodbye fare but
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: for the moment Superstar start shooting motherfucker and you know,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: get yourself, get yourself in the zone sun because I'll be.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: Cheering your own fucker. I can see that new T
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: shirt I got Legli and Donnie and he started shooting motherfucker.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: That's right, that's going to be probably on you motto
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: and you can I'll take ten percent royalties. I bet
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: if you got that on a T shirt, start shooting
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: motherfucker with your name just underneath, it's sell like hotcakes.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: We're not going to die on wondering. Keep an eye
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: on eBay next week, mate, we'll have it on the website.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: All right, mate, we'll say goodbye affair. But for now,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: thanks buddy, right to mate, take care bye