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230. Building the Sound of Dance · Anything But Routine

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  SPEAKER_00: We need don't we need for the rhythm?
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  SPEAKER_00: Make the rhythm.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is Cindy Clow.
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  SPEAKER_02: I am here with a very special guest, Kevin Heath from Utah, and he is the owner of Fusion Sound.
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  SPEAKER_02: I believe you are the creator of it, and you also started dance competitions.
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  SPEAKER_02: Can you give us a little brief bio about yourself?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I have been mixing and editing the music, mixing editing for 54 years.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_01: I did my very first one in January of 1973 when a drill team advisor uh asked if I had a way of fading a song out of old high school I went to.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_01: I said, yes, I do on the equipment that I bought in Japan.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_01: I had returned from Vietnam.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: I'm 100% disabled Vietnam veteran.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_01: And to tell you dance saved my life from Vietnam.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_01: Literally.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for your service.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it uh Asian Orange is horrible.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I had PTSD so bad I'd break things, I'd smash things.
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  SPEAKER_01: But God said, in order to heal, you need to get in the dance business.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I laughed because I have no dance background, but instead I played and played and coached football on all levels except for pro for 15 years.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm only five foot six, but uh dance saved me.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh I ended up being an assistant dance team coach for four different high schools.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've been a judge all over the country, I've been an events producer, and uh I critique uh teams.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I know what it is to get up at five o'clock in the morning and work with teams.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I'm back back to the uh music.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh I started editing in the 70s a little, uh for the purpose of just helping out some couple of friends that went drill teams.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how I got the experience of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just learned it by myself and nobody taught me as a only one now.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nobody, nobody has done it longer than I have.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's nobody out in the world that has it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh then I was uh I'd been told that when I come home from Vietnam that I wouldn't be able to walk again very well because I had my knee blown off basically.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh uh four year but four years later I walked on at a local college called Weaver State.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_01: You guys who are in the dance business know who Weaver State is.
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  SPEAKER_01: They've been world champions for several times.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I played football for two years and then blew out my knee on a kickoff return.
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  SPEAKER_01: But that got me into coaching uh at a local high school in Utah, and I was working with the drill team with their music, and I walked in one day and I said, You know, if that girl would raise her knee up, she could do her turns a lot better.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_01: And the coach said, Oh, what else?
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_01: I said, What's that?
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_01: He says, That's a granjete.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I said, Well, I don't know what it is, but she she's landing too early because she's not holding her head up.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the coach said, Oh, would you come and judge our challenges?
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  SPEAKER_01: At that time, there was no no drill team competitions, no dance.
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  SPEAKER_01: There was one that I didn't know about, and that was in California for Miss Drill Team California.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's a couple other minor ones here and there.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_01: And um so I said, Oh yeah, my boys are gonna walked in, and uh judges were saying, Can we see number nine?
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: Can we see number 11?
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  SPEAKER_01: Can we see number 12?
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, wait, wait, wait.
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  SPEAKER_01: I said, I don't know much about this, but most of the girls are either in or out when they walk in and stand in front of you.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's called presentation.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's what I'm saying.
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  SPEAKER_01: Then if you got seven or eight girls left and you need to do three, three or four more girls, then you had call them back in to see their technique.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then I said, and why are we judging on a point system?
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  SPEAKER_01: What's the difference between 0.01, 10 points, 100 points, a thousand points?
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  SPEAKER_01: I said, let's do yes, no maybe method.
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  SPEAKER_02: I have to laugh because that's what I do.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes, no maybe.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have no idea what I was doing.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have no gas method.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and uh then I realized something was really important.
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  SPEAKER_01: My boys were paying 50 bucks a year for football, they were practicing two hours a day and performed for two hours on a Friday.
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  SPEAKER_01: My girls were paying five thousand dollars a year, going to workshops in the morning.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, going practice in the morning, going practice in the afternoon, going to go into dance studios, and they were performing for two and a half minutes on a Friday.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I said, the coach said, dance coach said, What shall we do?
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  SPEAKER_01: I said, Well, let's have a like a dance competition.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we I got I learned in my life something very important.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not an expert on really anything except for music, but I learned how to find people who were to help me in every aspect of my business.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I could we gathered some dance teachers, some drill team advisors and other high schools.
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  SPEAKER_01: We put together a judging sheet.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was probably the first one to come up with the 1030, 30, 30 judging sheet, and we put the word out, we thought we'd get six or seven high schools, we've got 21 high schools.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wow, and that was in 1978.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's the start of all that music uh production.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I learned how to edit on cassette players, I learned how to edit on the CDs.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've gone through all aspects.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh computers.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_01: When I first started work on a computer, I was able to save six minutes of music on the computer, and that was it.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, gee.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_01: Now you know how many hours and thousands of hours we can do it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love music.
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  SPEAKER_01: I use music to help me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Music is my life, music is expression, and dance is expression of how you feel.
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  SPEAKER_01: So when I produce a piece of music, I'm so I will be literally, I'll say I'm offended when I see so many performers who just walk off the stage with a fade.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, lyrical, I can see, but you know, jazz, you uh music needs to have a beginning, a middle, and an end.
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  SPEAKER_01: Why are you just walking off?
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  SPEAKER_01: Are you telling us, oh, we're not prepared, we don't have an ending?
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_01: And that's the way I let music talk to me and how you perform to it.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_01: So I've got clients in all 50 states.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and worldwide, I've had clients in about 43 countries.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I am the number one producer of palm music in the world.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's nobody that can touch us.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_00: In dance, yeah.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_01: Dance, I've come up with a unique way of fabrication of using a cappella sections to enhance a dance, and we do cheer, we do everything.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_01: So that's kind of my story.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_02: I've used so much of your music over the years, and I can't remember what year I met you, but I know it was in Wisconsin the first time I met you.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was you were speaking at a conference there and had a booth, and I was speaking at a conference there and had a booth, and I was just excited about your music.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then you started, um, we started having you do our music for our camp on CDs back then.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and we gave all our coaches a CD that you've created many years for our camp.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_02: You know, now we do it on you know, a zip drive or whatever.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_02: But um, so here's my question: what's the name of your camp?
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_02: That I just want to give you a couple of plugs.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you started a competition and camps out west.
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  SPEAKER_02: What are the names of your events?
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_01: Well, uh, my other company is called Dance America.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, that's what I thought.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_02: Dance America.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_01: When I first started way back in in the 70s, uh, I was called Rainbow Productions.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but I had, I had, I tell you, I had gone in trouble, you know, and I I turned my business over to who I thought was a friend.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_01: And when I was able to to come back, uh he knifed me in the back, basically.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was able to get all my equipment back, but they created such a bad image for dance for uh for rainbow productions that I quit doing that kind of stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then when I moved, people found me and said, Oh, please, please continue doing it, please continue to.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I formed uh Dance America for the competitions and fusion sound for the uh for the music mixes and stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: But uh we started with uh back in Utah.
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  SPEAKER_01: We had a uh when I was doing the high school dance competition, uh, of course, in Utah's drill team.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'll I'll say drill team.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'd seen this little group uh of junior performers at a at a college football uh basketball game, and I was so intrigued I called the lady up and said, Would you like to perform at our high school?
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  SPEAKER_01: said yes, and she has started up a company called The Stars.
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  SPEAKER_01: They were huge became huge, and they were like a hundred little girls in poofy hair and all that kind of stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: So then she called me about two weeks later and said, Hey, I do a little competition, but my team always wins.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I I really would you like to take it over?
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  SPEAKER_01: I said yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we called it Junior Miss Drill Team Utah, and uh then that moved on to Junior Miss Idaho, Junior Miss Northern Idaho, Junior Miss Northern Utah, Southern Utah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I ended up having about 12 competitions I did in the uh late 70s and and and early 80s, uh and stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so that's how I kind of started there, and then uh I I found out that quality is not always better than quantity, quantity is not always not better than quality, and so we we cut down to six competitions that we do.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've been doing it for 48 years, and this this last competition, we were filled up in January.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's four days' work, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: We had over 650 numbers, and uh I love what I do, I love the dancers.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and for your people, I have this, you know about my music package that I give out for free.
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  SPEAKER_01: I want to share my music with people that I the music I've done because dancers, dance world saved me, they brought me into a world uh with no dance background.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's amazing, and it it it helped me and healed me.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I have a music package of over 1200 mixes that I will send to anybody that wants it.
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  SPEAKER_01: All they have to do is send me an email saying, Hey, would you send me this?
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'll send them their requirements for it.
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  SPEAKER_01: They can use it for any there's there's mixes every everywhere from one minute to two minutes for tryouts and half times.
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  SPEAKER_01: I got palm mixes, I've got in palm alone.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have over 3,000 palm mixes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, what's your email then, Kevin?
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_02: If they want to email you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, my email is K-H at Fusion.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's spelled F-U-S-I-O-N soundmix.com.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you kh at fusion soundmix.com.
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  SPEAKER_02: Wow, that's very generous of you.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um, I know that I use some of your music here and there, and I love to kind of send you a little kickback, but um anybody could do that too, because I feel it's so generous of you.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um so just tell me about um that I want to just talk a little bit about what is SoundCloud if people want to go there and listen to some of your music.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_02: Isn't it on something called SoundCloud?
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's on SoundCloud.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I started using it about three years ago.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh we pay a high price to get as many mixes as we can on it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so right now we have 470 mixes of all kinds, of which all of the mixes on my SoundCloud except for the cheerleading ones are in this music package.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_01: And they can go to my SoundCloud, go click on, listen.
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  SPEAKER_01: There'll be uh all all the mixes uh of when we we posted them.
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  SPEAKER_01: We just posted a brand new 15 new mixes just about two weeks ago.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: Or they can go or they can when they get to the sound cloud, and I'll ex I'll explain the uh the um I'm sorry.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_01: Uh one of the things I got from Vietnam was I got oh shoot, I I got uh exposed to Agent Orange.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and one of the problems I have neurological problems where my brain thinks faster.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna have an episode right now.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_01: Don't mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've just got to settle down.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: So when you get to the SoundCloud, uh you can just go right straight to my SoundCloud, or you can go type in where it says uh uh how to type in, it'll be um fusion sound mix.
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  SPEAKER_01: You have to put that fusion sound mix, and then if you want palm, you just put palm.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_01: If you want uh anything else, all of those will come up in order.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, I know my team has used a lot of your music over the years, and a lot of times people go, Where do you get your music?
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'll go, I'll send them to you.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I hope people that are listening will look at this, and then you also could email me if you forget Kevin's email, and I can hook you up.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_02: And also on our Facebook, he's pretty you you post things on there every once in a while, like a new song on the every day.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_01: I post stuff.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Dance Coaches and Teachers Unite.
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  SPEAKER_02: Then he'll post some CDs if you want to hear them on there.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that is neat.
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  SPEAKER_02: What is something when you're watching?
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  SPEAKER_02: So you say you've judged and things.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, what advice do you have for teams right now when they're going out there with with their music and their dance?
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  SPEAKER_02: Is there something you see happening that shouldn't be, or something that yeah, what's that?
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_01: People do not realize this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your entrance, your first count, your last count, and your exit is worth about 75% of your score.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_01: It isn't exactly 75% out of a hundred points.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's that judges, as like all people, we look at uh presentation.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you walk out there in a bad way, if your first count is not strong, then judges start looking at stronger, particular things and say, okay, this team can do better than this.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then that they see the mistakes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your last count, your your last ending count effectively says to the judges what you did at your beginning.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, they're strong.
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  SPEAKER_01: What a strong ending, and that's tied in.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_01: Now, I said I I don't know, don't mind when I say this, I don't know how to releve into a posse over a whatever.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: I I I know the few words, but I don't know choreography.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_01: But my music uh does choreography, it says, do this.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: I know I have judged or I've watched the team go, hey, you're supposed to be on the you're supposed to be doing this, and you're doing what?
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the music, you have to follow the music.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_01: The music is telling a story, and so many teams.
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  SPEAKER_01: The last thing is, and not because I'm a music producer.
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  SPEAKER_01: Why do you spend thousands of dollars on your on your costumes, thousands of dollars on your choreography, and about 50 cents on your music?
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_02: I agree.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: Your music, your music is everything.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: So I've seen teams who are not very good who've used great music and they've done very well.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_01: And I've seen teams that are really, really excellent that use bad music and their scores drop.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yep, I agree with you totally.
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  SPEAKER_01: Music is the most important thing of all.
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  SPEAKER_01: And come to me, come to someone else.
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  SPEAKER_01: I will work with people on their music needs.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: If they don't have a lot of money, I'll work with them.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, I do a lot of stuff for free for teams that can't afford Title I schools.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: I I continually, I mostly do most of their stuff for either 80% off or 100% off.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: Not to say I'm a cool guy or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: I want to make just like in when I saw my football players playing and the girls weren't, I wanted to make the uh uh what's the word called, uh, the field even.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I want a team that has 150 kids in their school, be able to compete against a school that has 4,000 kids.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's me.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I want.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's my main main goal in doing music is to produce, you know, talent and and and because the dancers need to be able to express themselves just like everybody else.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_02: Very much so.
• 17:07
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  SPEAKER_02: Boy, I think in Utah particularly, um, it seems like teams really excel.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_02: I feel Minnesota's the same way.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_02: There's so many states that excel, but uh, I bet your music is behind a lot of it.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've I've uh I'm not I'm not doing as many in Utah anymore because I'm when you get used to something, you kind of tend to, you know, whatever.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: I've been here in Utah since 1973, but there's one time where I did music for 80% of the teens.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: But what happened was Utah has about 90 schools that have dance/slash drill teams.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: One day somebody says, You ought to get on the TDEA in Texas.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: I said, What's that?
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I got on, I was ex and I had a few uh clients in Texas.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: Somebody said, Hey, does anybody have a Michael Jackson mix?
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I do.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, can you send them to me?
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: Can you send them to me?
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: I said, Yeah, finally I said, you know what?
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know which one you want.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: I got uh I got a folder of 25 Michael Jackson mixes, I'll send them to you.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: And then it got, does anybody have a mix around the word love?
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: Or you know, I build up the building, I realized that in Texas there's 4,000 high schools.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you can do that.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's where I turned all my attention to.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: And then uh uh another big state, of course, Idaho.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: I do most of theirs, but another big state that's gonna be is Iowa.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_01: I do a lot of stuff now in Iowa.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Iowa's really got a big presence.
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  SPEAKER_01: But uh I I love what I do.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: I want your clients to know this.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: I love what I do.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: I will share, I will share my talents, I will share my judging experiences, I will judge whatever it needs to help your team, and uh because it heals me and helps me.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_02: That is so cool to hear.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_02: How long do you think you're gonna keep doing this?
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_02: People ask me that all the time.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: It was up to me, I would completely retire tomorrow.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: But Robin, who's gonna get my business, says, No, you're gonna be around for at least another 10-15 years.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: Well, there you go.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, god, I will go as long as uh long as I'm needed and long as God allows me to be on this earth, yeah, and uh and stuff.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: So uh uh I watched many people come and go.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I watched uh I've watched dynasties, you know, some team like in Utah for for years was was Hillcrest High.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, and then another school came up, and then Bingham High came up, and then another school called uh Copper Hills that was nine years straight.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_02: And uh I've seen all the dynasties.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's dynasties, and I think that's true in every state.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I think you start figuring out what's working for you, and then you keep you know redoing it.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_02: But there is a point where you you make a good point where you have to change, you can't keep doing what everyone else is doing.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: I've got a I'm going through PTSD therapy right now, and then when I was going through therapy years ago, I was born in a one-room house in Greece, uh, at the age of five.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, the Greek government took my twin sister and I and 40,000 other poor children, and then sold us all over the world without our parents knowing.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I came to the United States.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I had a very abusive father.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: Because of that, I've gone through therapy, and I learned in therapy is that a statement that I always like, and this is for you guys that have dance teams, cheerleading teams, whatever.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: And that is this don't rest on your laurels.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: I was state champ for two years.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have to improve.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, if you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always gotten.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_01: The difference between a winning team and a losing team is only about 15 points on a judging sheet.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: And the teams that win, when I will coach a team, I'll walk in and I will say, okay, let's see your first, your opening, your opening pose.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, your shoulders to the right, you're off balance.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: To make the next move, you have to do more energy to get to the next move after that.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_01: The teams who win have let have used less energy than the teams who lose.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, you look at teams who win, they're not as tired as the teams who lose.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: And the difference between a losing team is only about 15, actually, it ends up being 7.5.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Because no, I I look at it and say a judge who judges um appearance.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: I've never I've I've ever seen lower than eight points, you know, because everybody you know has a good appearance, has whatever, blah blah blah.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I don't know if I'm making sense to all of you who are experts.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, you are, yeah.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: But but points don't mean anything, it's it's the presentation.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: Presentation is what you use to get your husband, your wife, your boyfriend, your girlfriend, uh, your job, uh presentation.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_02: So that's that's a good one.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_02: That's exercise.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: And so I teach presentation.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_01: If anybody wants me to talk to them about presentation, I would love to do it.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and uh and and and go from there.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: So uh, but that's the things I see is a not a good strong entry, not a good strong exit, and just uh not the biggest thing I see is you don't carry out your movements.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: You're haphazard, you're you you're you're uh you're you're lazy.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: Well that's good, yeah.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_02: And uh uh besides that do you have a favorite style?
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: I like ballet, which is weird.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um I like ballet because ballet and ballet and and um modern are not in a box.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, dancers in the box, cheerleading in the box, hip hop's in a box, they're all in a box and they have certain things.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: I come up with a thing of of uh of uh modern.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: If you have 20 dancers on a team and 19 turn left and one turns right, who's to say that that dancer is not wrong is is wrong?
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: Because modern is modern.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: I love ballet because the strength in ballet, the the dancers in ballet have to have so much energy, so I mean, get on your toes.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, to be on that toe, you know, that takes strength, and that takes uh so much more work.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm not saying that hip hop is not strong, uh is not hard work, but you look up ballet, and then I'm extremely love it when I watch the boys be able to do what they do in ballet, you know.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I have a the the way they can jump.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: I I I have a really um favorite little story.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna be real fast.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: When I played college football, uh one of the things in spring ball we had to do, you had to do several things like sit-ups, um, pull-ups, uh uh uh um other things like that.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: One of them was a vertical jump.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: A vertical jump is when you reach up and then you jump as high as you can.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: Uh in 1976, I set a record that nobody has beaten since then.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_02: You're kidding.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_01: So now your next question is what?
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_02: Like, how high did you jump?
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: I was dead last.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: I have no jumping ability.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_01: None.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_01: I I'm a running back who had no jumping ability.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: So, my thing with guys that are jump and dance, I'm so impressed.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: We had a a young man from my old high school, Davis High, that was all-state uh um uh linebacker, and he was a uh one of the premier uh ballet dancers in in in ballet west.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I mean the guy was big and a brute and awesome.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: So, but I love watching dancers express themselves and and uh and to see what they do with the music that I created, and to be, you know, when I see all this, oh hey, here's our team, and the music goes by fusion sound, and I go, you know, I thank them.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I want to know teams that won so I can post it on my face because I have about 5,000 friends that are going to see that.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: And well, you know, every time you do well, I post and say, hey, congratulations, or look at this team did this and stuff.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: And that's a way of saying thanks to people.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that is so neat.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_02: Well, we want to say thanks to you.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_02: We're almost out of time here, and I just feel you've done so much for our industry.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't, I just wanted people to be able to see you and hear you and know what you have done for this industry.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_02: Your music has made so many teams be able to afford it and be able to utilize your music, and it's just made it grow and grow across the whole United States.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_02: So, Kevin, we appreciate you.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: Can I can I just say one last thing?
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: Can I just say one last thing?
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: Sure can absolutely uh I have champions that worlds all the time.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_01: This last world, I had 14 teams that uh got to the finals.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: Uh with and between the 14 teams, there was 28 uh routines, and I had uh seven who placed in the top 10 and four who placed first.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_02: Well, where were the worlds at?
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_02: That's amazing.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: That that's the one that's held at um uh Disney World.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um they have worlds, uh they have worlds and then they have summit right next to each other.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: And uh so a lot of the teams went to worlds and summits.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_01: My my teams that did really well, there's a there's a group out of Wisconsin called Four Sis For Sis.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_01: Okay uh Dance and Cheer.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: And then the other one out of Wisconsin is Energizers, they're awesome energizers.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_01: Go go reach up Energizers Worlds, boom, boom, boom.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: You'll see that up.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_02: So well, thank you.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you, and um thank you for having me.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, our pleasure.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm sure we'll connect again soon here or there.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_02: So thank you for everything you've done, Kevin.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate it.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: Make the rhythm we create.