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Agents in Crypto, Agents at Work, and the Weird New Middle Management - With Meghan Heintz · Chaos Agents

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  My
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  first
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  maternity
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  leave,
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  up
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  two
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  hours,
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  and,
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  like,
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  you
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  don't
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  realize,
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  like,
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  you
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  actually
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  run
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  out
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  of
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  the
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  Internet
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  if
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  you're
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  up
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  that
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  often.
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  Like,
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  your.
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  Your
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  feed's
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  not
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  changing.
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  Like,
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  you
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  find
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  the
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  end
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  of
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  the
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  Internet.
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  And
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  the
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  only
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  thing
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  that
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  was
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  changing
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  was
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  actually,
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  like,
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  crypto
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  prices
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  at
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  that
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  time.
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  So
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  I
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  was,
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  like,
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  waking
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  up
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  trading
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  and,
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  like,
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  breastfeeding
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  the
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  baby.
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  And
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  then
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  I
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  saw
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  on
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  my
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  Twitter
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  that
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  someone
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  was
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  running
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  program
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  where
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  you
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  would
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  get
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  paid
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  to,
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  like,
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  learn
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  how
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  to
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  use
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  this
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  thing
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  called
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  Dune
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  Analytics.
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  But
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  I
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  remember,
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  like,
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  writing
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  my
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  application
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  and
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  it
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  was
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  like,
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  why
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  do
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  you,
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  like,
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  want
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  to,
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  like,
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  do
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  this
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  thing?
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  And
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  I
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  was
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  like,
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  I'm
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  very
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  bored
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  on
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  my
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  maternity
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  to
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  leave.
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  Welcome
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  back
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  to
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  Chaos
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  Agents,
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  the
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  podcast
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  where
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  we
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  learn
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  about
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  AI
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  so
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  you
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  don't
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  have
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  to.
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  How
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  are
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  you
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  doing,
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  Becca?
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  I'm
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  doing
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  wonderful.
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  Well,
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  I'm
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  doing
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  personally
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  wonderful.
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  The
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  state
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  of,
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  you
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  know,
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  the
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  world
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  right
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  now
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  is
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  concerning.
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  Not
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  to.
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  Not
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  to
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  just
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  gloss
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  over
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  and
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  diminish
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  that.
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  But
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  in
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  general,
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  I'm
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  feeling
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  good.
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  How
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  about
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  you?
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  Yeah,
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  same,
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  same.
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  I've
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  been
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  learning
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  about
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  prediction
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  markets.
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  So
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  something
• 1:11
  that's
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  really
• 1:11
  fascinating
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  is
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  that
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  we're
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  talking
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  about
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  crypto
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  today,
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  and
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  we
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  have
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  Megan
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  Heinz
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  on
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  the
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  pod,
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  and
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  we're
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  talking
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  to
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  her
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  about
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  crypto.
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  And
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  we.
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  One
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  conversation
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  that
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  always
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  happens
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  with
• 1:20
  crypto
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  is
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  like,
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  what
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  is
• 1:21
  it
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  useful
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  for?
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  Or,
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  like,
• 1:24
  what
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  do
• 1:24
  people
• 1:24
  use
• 1:24
  it
• 1:25
  for?
• 1:25
  Right?
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  Like,
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  what
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  is
• 1:26
  like,
• 1:26
  why?
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  The
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  most
• 1:29
  interesting
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  question
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  about
• 1:30
  crypto
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  is
• 1:31
  why?
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  What
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  are
• 1:34
  you
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  doing?
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  First,
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  why?
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  Second,
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  how?
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  But
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  mostly
• 1:39
  why?
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  Yeah,
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  it's
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  true.
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  It's
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  true.
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  And,
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  like,
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  a
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  lot
• 1:43
  of
• 1:43
  people
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  ask
• 1:43
  that
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  question,
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  and
• 1:44
  right
• 1:44
  now,
• 1:45
  the
• 1:45
  biggest
• 1:45
  utility
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  they're
• 1:46
  seeing
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  is
• 1:47
  prediction
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  markets.
• 1:48
  Okay,
• 1:48
  connect
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  those
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  dots
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  for
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  me.
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  Right,
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  So
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  big
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  crypto
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  companies
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  have
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  recently
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  launched
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  prediction
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  markets,
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  like
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  Gemini,
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  well,
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  as
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  Coinbase
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  and
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  some
• 1:59
  others.
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  Polymarket
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  is
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  the
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  biggest
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  one
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  that
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  we
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  hear
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  about
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  all
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  the
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  time.
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  People
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  can
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  bet
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  on
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  the
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  most
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  random
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  things
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  of,
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  like,
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  will
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  Sarah
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  or
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  Becca
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  have
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  more
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  words
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  the.
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  In
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  this
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  tweet?
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  First
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  of
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  all,
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  as
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  an
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  experiment,
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  we
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  should
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  do
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  that.
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  That
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  would
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  be
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  so
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  interesting.
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  But
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  I
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  just
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  pulled
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  up
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  Polymarket
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  while
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  you
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  were
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  talking,
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  and,
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  like,
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  for
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  example,
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  the
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  top
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  question
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  or
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  whatever
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  that
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  people
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  are
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  betting
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  on
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  is,
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  like,
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  who
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  will
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  Trump
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  nominate
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  as
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  Fed
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  Chair?
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  Which
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  is,
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  like,
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  not
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  even
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  a
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  thing
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  that
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  we
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  know
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  is
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  happening,
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  but
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  people
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  are
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  already
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  betting
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  on,
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  like,
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  how
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  that
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  would
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  go.
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  I
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  was
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  talking
• 2:32
  to
• 2:33
  someone
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  about
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  this
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  the
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  other
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  day,
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  and
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  he
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  was
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  saying
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  that
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  when
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  it
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  comes
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  to
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  these,
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  like,
• 2:36
  prediction
• 2:36
  markets,
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  there's
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  a
• 2:38
  lot
• 2:38
  that
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  is
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  still
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  big
• 2:39
  question.
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  Mark.
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  Because
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  it's
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  not
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  as
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  regulated
• 2:42
  as,
• 2:42
  like,
• 2:42
  the
• 2:42
  stock
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  market.
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  Right.
• 2:44
  So
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  if
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  I
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  know,
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  say
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  I'm
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  like,
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  best
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  friends
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  with
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  Jerome
• 2:47
  Powell,
• 2:47
  we
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  hang
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  out
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  on
• 2:48
  the
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  weekend,
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  and
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  so
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  I
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  know
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  that
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  there
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  might
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  be
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  a
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  nomination
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  happening,
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  I
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  could
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  use
• 2:52
  that
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  in
• 2:52
  my
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  own
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  interest
• 2:53
  in
• 2:53
  a
• 2:54
  prediction
• 2:54
  market.
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  And
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  there
• 2:55
  are
• 2:56
  laws
• 2:56
  against
• 2:56
  that.
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  But
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  because
• 2:57
  it's
• 2:57
  crypto,
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  it's
• 2:58
  really
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  hard.
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  To
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  track,
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  like
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  an
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  insider
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  trading
• 3:02
  situation,
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  sort
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  of.
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  Okay.
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  Yeah,
• 3:05
  yeah,
• 3:05
  yeah.
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  And
• 3:06
  it's
• 3:06
  unregulated,
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  so
• 3:07
  it's
• 3:07
  like,
• 3:07
  I
• 3:08
  could
• 3:08
  bet
• 3:08
  on
• 3:08
  knowledge
• 3:09
  that
• 3:09
  I
• 3:09
  have.
• 3:09
  And
• 3:09
  sometimes
• 3:10
  you'll
• 3:10
  see
• 3:10
  that
• 3:10
  in
• 3:11
  the
• 3:11
  market.
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  Is
• 3:12
  that
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  because
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  in
• 3:13
  that
• 3:13
  example,
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  your
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  BFFs
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  with
• 3:15
  Jerome
• 3:15
  Powell,
• 3:16
  you're
• 3:16
  going
• 3:16
  to
• 3:17
  bet
• 3:17
  on
• 3:17
  this
• 3:18
  Fed
• 3:18
  chair
• 3:18
  question?
• 3:19
  Yeah.
• 3:20
  Your
• 3:20
  bet,
• 3:21
  the
• 3:22
  money,
• 3:22
  the
• 3:22
  currency
• 3:23
  that
• 3:23
  you
• 3:23
  would
• 3:23
  be
• 3:23
  using,
• 3:24
  comes
• 3:25
  from
• 3:25
  a
• 3:25
  wallet
• 3:26
  that
• 3:26
  is
• 3:26
  an
• 3:26
  encrypted
• 3:27
  number
• 3:28
  that
• 3:28
  cannot
• 3:29
  theoretically
• 3:30
  be
• 3:30
  directly
• 3:30
  traced
• 3:31
  to
• 3:31
  you.
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  So
• 3:32
  I've
• 3:33
  thought
• 3:33
  about
• 3:33
  this
• 3:34
  a
• 3:34
  lot
• 3:34
  and
• 3:34
  looked
• 3:35
  into
• 3:35
  it,
• 3:35
  and
• 3:36
  most
• 3:37
  wallets
• 3:37
  can
• 3:38
  be
• 3:38
  traced
• 3:38
  to
• 3:38
  you.
• 3:38
  But.
• 3:39
  But
• 3:39
  there
• 3:39
  are
• 3:40
  services
• 3:40
  that
• 3:40
  you
• 3:41
  can
• 3:41
  use
• 3:41
  that
• 3:41
  are
• 3:41
  technically
• 3:42
  not
• 3:42
  legal
• 3:42
  in
• 3:43
  the
• 3:43
  US
• 3:43
  that
• 3:44
  could
• 3:44
  take
• 3:44
  a
• 3:44
  wallet
• 3:45
  and
• 3:45
  make
• 3:46
  it
• 3:46
  not
• 3:47
  linked
• 3:47
  to
• 3:47
  you.
• 3:48
  It's
• 3:49
  really
• 3:49
  fascinating.
• 3:50
  And
• 3:50
  so
• 3:51
  these
• 3:51
  prediction
• 3:52
  markets
• 3:52
  often
• 3:53
  will
• 3:53
  predict
• 3:53
  things
• 3:54
  before
• 3:54
  they
• 3:54
  happen
• 3:55
  because
• 3:56
  people
• 3:56
  with
• 3:57
  knowledge
• 3:57
  are
• 3:58
  going
• 3:58
  in
• 3:58
  and
• 3:58
  making.
• 3:58
  Big
• 3:59
  bets
• 3:59
  interesting
• 4:01
  in
• 4:01
  the
• 4:01
  way
• 4:01
  that
• 4:01
  they're
• 4:02
  not
• 4:02
  allowed
• 4:03
  to,
• 4:03
  really.
• 4:03
  In
• 4:04
  the
• 4:04
  stock
• 4:04
  market.
• 4:05
  Yeah,
• 4:05
  exactly.
• 4:06
  Where
• 4:06
  they
• 4:06
  could
• 4:06
  get
• 4:06
  arrested.
• 4:07
  So
• 4:07
  people
• 4:07
  that
• 4:08
  work
• 4:08
  in
• 4:08
  this
• 4:08
  space
• 4:08
  are
• 4:09
  talking
• 4:09
  a
• 4:09
  lot
• 4:09
  about
• 4:09
  how
• 4:10
  they
• 4:10
  believe
• 4:11
  there's
• 4:11
  nothing
• 4:11
  currently
• 4:12
  pending
• 4:12
  in
• 4:12
  front
• 4:12
  of
• 4:13
  the
• 4:13
  Supreme
• 4:13
  Court.
• 4:13
  There's
• 4:14
  a
• 4:14
  bunch
• 4:14
  of
• 4:14
  state
• 4:14
  cases
• 4:15
  about
• 4:16
  like,
• 4:16
  is
• 4:16
  this.
• 4:17
  Because
• 4:17
  as
• 4:18
  I'm
• 4:18
  sure
• 4:18
  you
• 4:18
  can
• 4:18
  imagine,
• 4:19
  Las
• 4:19
  Vegas
• 4:20
  casinos
• 4:20
  are
• 4:20
  like,
• 4:21
  we
• 4:22
  don't
• 4:22
  like
• 4:22
  this.
• 4:22
  This
• 4:23
  is
• 4:23
  sports
• 4:23
  betting.
• 4:23
  Because
• 4:24
  you
• 4:24
  can
• 4:24
  sports
• 4:24
  bet
• 4:24
  on
• 4:25
  these
• 4:25
  things.
• 4:25
  Like,
• 4:25
  I
• 4:25
  could
• 4:26
  bet
• 4:26
  the
• 4:26
  Rams
• 4:26
  are
• 4:26
  going
• 4:27
  to
• 4:27
  win
• 4:27
  the
• 4:27
  World
• 4:27
  Series
• 4:27
  of
• 4:28
  World
• 4:28
  Series.
• 4:29
  I
• 4:29
  could
• 4:29
  bet
• 4:29
  that.
• 4:29
  But
• 4:30
  it's
• 4:30
  not
• 4:30
  going
• 4:30
  to
• 4:30
  happen.
• 4:31
  They
• 4:31
  don't
• 4:31
  like
• 4:31
  it
• 4:32
  because
• 4:32
  they
• 4:32
  can't
• 4:32
  get
• 4:32
  a
• 4:32
  cut
• 4:33
  of
• 4:33
  the
• 4:33
  action,
• 4:33
  basically.
• 4:34
  And
• 4:34
  it's
• 4:35
  taking
• 4:35
  away
• 4:35
  from
• 4:36
  their
• 4:36
  market
• 4:37
  of
• 4:37
  sports
• 4:37
  betting.
• 4:39
  Yeah.
• 4:39
  That's
• 4:39
  why
• 4:40
  a
• 4:40
  lot
• 4:40
  of
• 4:40
  the
• 4:40
  crypto
• 4:41
  companies
• 4:41
  are
• 4:41
  launching
• 4:42
  them
• 4:42
  now,
• 4:42
  because
• 4:43
  they
• 4:43
  don't
• 4:43
  know
• 4:43
  how
• 4:44
  long
• 4:44
  they're
• 4:44
  going
• 4:44
  to
• 4:44
  be
• 4:44
  legal
• 4:45
  for.
• 4:45
  Fascinating.
• 4:46
  Yeah.
• 4:47
  Oh,
• 4:47
  my
• 4:47
  God.
• 4:48
  I
• 4:48
  did
• 4:48
  not
• 4:48
  know
• 4:48
  any
• 4:49
  of
• 4:49
  that.
• 4:50
  One
• 4:50
  example
• 4:51
  I
• 4:51
  heard
• 4:52
  the
• 4:52
  other
• 4:52
  day
• 4:52
  was
• 4:53
  about
• 4:53
  a
• 4:53
  man
• 4:53
  in
• 4:53
  Pennsylvania,
• 4:54
  for
• 4:54
  example,
• 4:54
  who
• 4:55
  bet
• 4:55
  on
• 4:55
  the
• 4:55
  US
• 4:56
  election.
• 4:57
  And
• 4:57
  he
• 4:57
  felt
• 4:58
  like
• 4:58
  he
• 4:59
  had
• 4:59
  inside
• 5:00
  knowledge
• 5:00
  because
• 5:01
  he
• 5:01
  did
• 5:01
  his
• 5:01
  own
• 5:02
  polling.
• 5:02
  He
• 5:03
  was
• 5:03
  like,
• 5:03
  I
• 5:03
  believe
• 5:04
  that
• 5:04
  the
• 5:05
  pollsters
• 5:05
  in
• 5:06
  the
• 5:06
  US
• 5:07
  miss
• 5:07
  out
• 5:07
  on
• 5:07
  this
• 5:07
  vital
• 5:08
  part
• 5:08
  of
• 5:08
  polling.
• 5:09
  I
• 5:09
  think
• 5:09
  I
• 5:09
  can
• 5:10
  do
• 5:10
  this
• 5:10
  better.
• 5:10
  So
• 5:11
  he
• 5:11
  did
• 5:11
  his
• 5:11
  own
• 5:11
  polling
• 5:12
  in
• 5:12
  Pennsylvania,
• 5:13
  and
• 5:13
  then
• 5:13
  he
• 5:14
  made
• 5:14
  his
• 5:14
  bet
• 5:15
  because
• 5:15
  he
• 5:16
  did
• 5:16
  the
• 5:16
  groundwork.
• 5:17
  So
• 5:18
  it's
• 5:18
  a
• 5:18
  completely
• 5:19
  different
• 5:19
  world
• 5:20
  because
• 5:20
  it's
• 5:20
  not
• 5:21
  like
• 5:21
  betting
• 5:21
  in
• 5:21
  which
• 5:22
  you
• 5:22
  have
• 5:22
  no
• 5:23
  influence
• 5:23
  on
• 5:23
  the
• 5:23
  outcome.
• 5:25
  This
• 5:25
  is
• 5:25
  so
• 5:25
  interesting
• 5:26
  because
• 5:26
  on
• 5:27
  the
• 5:27
  one
• 5:27
  hand,
• 5:28
  there
• 5:28
  is
• 5:29
  a
• 5:29
  way
• 5:30
  to
• 5:30
  execute
• 5:31
  this
• 5:31
  same
• 5:32
  general
• 5:33
  framework
• 5:34
  that
• 5:34
  I
• 5:34
  think
• 5:35
  is
• 5:36
  really
• 5:36
  interesting
• 5:38
  and
• 5:38
  something
• 5:38
  I've
• 5:38
  been
• 5:39
  thinking
• 5:39
  about
• 5:39
  for
• 5:40
  a
• 5:40
  while.
• 5:40
  I
• 5:40
  guarantee
• 5:41
  you
• 5:41
  I
• 5:41
  did
• 5:41
  not
• 5:41
  invent
• 5:42
  this
• 5:42
  idea,
• 5:43
  but
• 5:43
  I'll
• 5:43
  tell
• 5:44
  you
• 5:44
  where
• 5:44
  it
• 5:44
  came
• 5:44
  from.
• 5:44
  And
• 5:45
  tell
• 5:45
  me
• 5:45
  if
• 5:45
  this
• 5:46
  does
• 5:46
  connect.
• 5:47
  A
• 5:47
  friend
• 5:47
  of
• 5:48
  mine,
• 5:48
  Rachel.
• 5:49
  I'll
• 5:49
  give
• 5:49
  her
• 5:50
  a
• 5:50
  shout
• 5:50
  out.
• 5:50
  Who?
• 5:50
  Hey,
• 5:51
  Rachel.
• 5:51
  Rachel.
• 5:52
  Like,
• 5:53
  years
• 5:53
  ago,
• 5:54
  she
• 5:55
  is
• 5:55
  texting
• 5:56
  me
• 5:56
  and
• 5:56
  my
• 5:56
  wife,
• 5:56
  and
• 5:56
  she's
• 5:57
  like,
• 5:57
  guys,
• 5:57
  you
• 5:58
  have
• 5:58
  to
• 5:59
  listen
• 5:59
  to
• 5:59
  this
• 6:00
  artist,
• 6:00
  Chapel
• 6:00
  Roan.
• 6:01
  She's
• 6:02
  amazing.
• 6:03
  She's
• 6:03
  gonna
• 6:03
  blow
• 6:04
  up.
• 6:04
  Like,
• 6:04
  I'm
• 6:04
  obsessed
• 6:05
  with
• 6:05
  her.
• 6:05
  And
• 6:05
  we
• 6:05
  were
• 6:05
  like,
• 6:06
  yeah,
• 6:06
  yeah,
• 6:06
  yeah.
• 6:07
  Like,
• 6:07
  okay,
• 6:07
  maybe
• 6:08
  we'll
• 6:08
  give
• 6:08
  it
• 6:08
  a
• 6:08
  listen.
• 6:09
  And
• 6:09
  we,
• 6:09
  like,
• 6:09
  kind
• 6:09
  of
• 6:09
  ignored
• 6:10
  her
• 6:10
  for,
• 6:10
  like,
• 6:10
  months.
• 6:11
  Yeah.
• 6:11
  On
• 6:11
  this.
• 6:12
  And
• 6:12
  then
• 6:12
  we
• 6:13
  finally
• 6:13
  started
• 6:13
  listening.
• 6:14
  We're
• 6:14
  like,
• 6:14
  wait,
• 6:14
  this
• 6:14
  is
• 6:14
  so
• 6:15
  good.
• 6:15
  And
• 6:15
  then,
• 6:15
  like,
• 6:15
  three
• 6:15
  months
• 6:16
  later,
• 6:16
  she
• 6:17
  became,
• 6:17
  like,
• 6:17
  absolutely
• 6:18
  massive.
• 6:19
  And
• 6:19
  I
• 6:19
  was
• 6:20
  like,
• 6:20
  it
• 6:21
  would
• 6:21
  be
• 6:21
  great
• 6:21
  if
• 6:22
  there
• 6:22
  was
• 6:22
  a
• 6:22
  way
• 6:23
  for,
• 6:23
  like,
• 6:23
  Rachel
• 6:24
  to,
• 6:24
  like,
• 6:25
  invest
• 6:25
  in
• 6:26
  the
• 6:26
  stock
• 6:26
  of
• 6:26
  Chapel
• 6:27
  Roan
• 6:28
  right
• 6:28
  at
• 6:29
  the
• 6:29
  time
• 6:29
  she
• 6:29
  discovers
• 6:30
  her
• 6:31
  and,
• 6:31
  like,
• 6:32
  somehow
• 6:33
  capture
• 6:34
  the
• 6:34
  upside
• 6:35
  of
• 6:35
  that.
• 6:36
  Same
• 6:36
  thing
• 6:36
  you
• 6:36
  and
• 6:36
  I
• 6:36
  have
• 6:37
  talked
• 6:37
  about
• 6:37
  probably
• 6:38
  with,
• 6:38
  like,
• 6:38
  women's
• 6:38
  sports.
• 6:39
  People
• 6:39
  who
• 6:40
  see
• 6:40
  stuff
• 6:41
  that
• 6:41
  they
• 6:41
  know
• 6:41
  or
• 6:42
  they
• 6:42
  believe
• 6:42
  strongly
• 6:43
  is
• 6:43
  going
• 6:43
  to
• 6:43
  be
• 6:43
  valuable
• 6:44
  in
• 6:44
  the
• 6:44
  future.
• 6:44
  Finding
• 6:45
  a
• 6:45
  way
• 6:45
  for
• 6:45
  people
• 6:46
  to,
• 6:46
  like,
• 6:47
  sort
• 6:47
  of
• 6:47
  invest
• 6:48
  in
• 6:48
  those
• 6:48
  things
• 6:49
  that
• 6:49
  is
• 6:49
  outside
• 6:50
  of
• 6:50
  the
• 6:50
  traditional
• 6:51
  kind
• 6:51
  of
• 6:52
  financial
• 6:52
  system.
• 6:53
  And
• 6:53
  the
• 6:53
  way
• 6:53
  that
• 6:53
  it's
• 6:53
  set
• 6:53
  up
• 6:54
  currently
• 6:54
  is
• 6:55
  interesting
• 6:55
  to
• 6:55
  me.
• 6:56
  It's
• 6:56
  really
• 6:56
  interesting.
• 6:57
  I'm
• 6:57
  assuming
• 6:58
  what
• 6:58
  you're
• 6:58
  talking
• 6:58
  about
• 6:59
  in
• 6:59
  some
• 6:59
  ways
• 6:59
  is,
• 7:00
  like,
• 7:00
  kind
• 7:00
  of
• 7:01
  that.
• 7:02
  Is
• 7:02
  that
• 7:02
  right?
• 7:03
  Yeah,
• 7:03
  it
• 7:04
  is.
• 7:04
  And
• 7:04
  that
• 7:04
  makes
• 7:05
  me
• 7:05
  want
• 7:05
  to
• 7:05
  dig
• 7:05
  into
• 7:05
  it
• 7:05
  more,
• 7:06
  because
• 7:06
  you
• 7:06
  would
• 7:06
  probably
• 7:06
  agree,
• 7:07
  I
• 7:07
  believe
• 7:07
  women's
• 7:08
  baseball
• 7:09
  is
• 7:09
  going
• 7:09
  to
• 7:09
  take
• 7:09
  off
• 7:10
  because
• 7:10
  no
• 7:10
  one
• 7:10
  can
• 7:11
  answer
• 7:11
  the.
• 7:11
  I've
• 7:12
  asked
• 7:12
  so
• 7:12
  many
• 7:12
  people,
• 7:13
  why
• 7:13
  is
• 7:13
  softball
• 7:14
  a
• 7:14
  thing?
• 7:14
  And
• 7:15
  no
• 7:15
  one
• 7:15
  can
• 7:15
  answer
• 7:16
  that
• 7:16
  question.
• 7:17
  Wait.
• 7:17
  Yeah,
• 7:18
  yeah.
• 7:20
  Is
• 7:21
  it
• 7:21
  because
• 7:21
  they're
• 7:21
  like,
• 7:21
  oh,
• 7:22
  you're
• 7:22
  a
• 7:22
  girl.
• 7:23
  Sorry.
• 7:23
  The
• 7:23
  baseball
• 7:24
  is
• 7:24
  going
• 7:24
  to
• 7:24
  be
• 7:24
  too
• 7:24
  hard
• 7:25
  for
• 7:25
  you
• 7:25
  to
• 7:25
  hit.
• 7:25
  We
• 7:25
  need
• 7:26
  a.
• 7:26
  We
• 7:26
  need
• 7:26
  to
• 7:26
  make
• 7:26
  it
• 7:27
  bigger.
• 7:28
  Also.
• 7:28
  You
• 7:28
  can't
• 7:29
  throw
• 7:29
  overhand,
• 7:30
  honey.
• 7:31
  Exactly.
• 7:32
  And
• 7:33
  no
• 7:33
  one,
• 7:33
  like,
• 7:33
  I
• 7:33
  thought.
• 7:34
  Because
• 7:34
  I
• 7:34
  talked
• 7:34
  to
• 7:34
  some,
• 7:35
  like,
• 7:35
  softball
• 7:35
  people.
• 7:35
  So
• 7:36
  I
• 7:36
  was
• 7:36
  like,
• 7:36
  oh,
• 7:36
  you'll
• 7:36
  know.
• 7:37
  There's,
• 7:37
  like,
• 7:37
  a
• 7:37
  reason.
• 7:38
  There's
• 7:38
  no
• 7:38
  reason.
• 7:39
  You'll
• 7:39
  know.
• 7:40
  They're
• 7:40
  like,
• 7:40
  we
• 7:40
  have
• 7:41
  no
• 7:41
  idea.
• 7:42
  So,
• 7:43
  okay,
• 7:43
  I'll
• 7:43
  look
• 7:43
  on
• 7:44
  the
• 7:44
  prediction
• 7:44
  markets
• 7:44
  for
• 7:45
  us
• 7:45
  to.
• 7:46
  That's
• 7:47
  so
• 7:47
  good.
• 7:47
  First
• 7:47
  of
• 7:47
  all,
• 7:48
  I
• 7:48
  just
• 7:48
  want
• 7:48
  everyone
• 7:48
  to
• 7:49
  know,
• 7:49
  Sarah
• 7:49
  Chips
• 7:50
  predicts
• 7:51
  women's
• 7:51
  baseball
• 7:52
  blows
• 7:52
  up.
• 7:53
  Why?
• 7:54
  No
• 7:54
  one
• 7:54
  knows
• 7:55
  softballs.
• 7:56
  Why?
• 7:59
  It's
• 7:59
  good.
• 8:00
  Well,
• 8:00
  okay,
• 8:00
  so
• 8:01
  I
• 8:01
  thought
• 8:01
  we'd
• 8:01
  go
• 8:01
  over
• 8:02
  some
• 8:02
  crypto
• 8:03
  definitions,
• 8:04
  because
• 8:05
  in
• 8:05
  this
• 8:05
  interview,
• 8:06
  we
• 8:06
  do
• 8:06
  a
• 8:06
  lot
• 8:06
  of
• 8:06
  talking
• 8:07
  about
• 8:07
  crypto.
• 8:07
  Like,
• 8:08
  a
• 8:08
  lot
• 8:08
  of
• 8:08
  words
• 8:08
  get
• 8:09
  thrown
• 8:09
  around.
• 8:10
  I
• 8:10
  think
• 8:10
  the
• 8:11
  number
• 8:11
  of
• 8:11
  podcast
• 8:12
  episodes
• 8:12
  you
• 8:13
  can
• 8:13
  count
• 8:13
  where
• 8:14
  there's
• 8:14
  three
• 8:15
  women
• 8:16
  talking
• 8:16
  about
• 8:17
  crypto
• 8:18
  is
• 8:18
  probably
• 8:19
  low.
• 8:20
  So
• 8:21
  I'm
• 8:21
  proud
• 8:22
  of
• 8:22
  us
• 8:22
  for
• 8:23
  breaking
• 8:24
  barriers
• 8:24
  there.
• 8:24
  We
• 8:25
  should
• 8:25
  make
• 8:25
  a
• 8:25
  conference
• 8:25
  in
• 8:26
  Miami.
• 8:28
  I
• 8:29
  think,
• 8:29
  like,
• 8:29
  the
• 8:29
  point
• 8:29
  is,
• 8:29
  like,
• 8:30
  there's
• 8:30
  actually
• 8:30
  a
• 8:30
  lot
• 8:30
  of
• 8:30
  really
• 8:31
  smart
• 8:31
  women
• 8:32
  in
• 8:32
  crypto,
• 8:32
  and
• 8:33
  you're
• 8:33
  a
• 8:33
  smart
• 8:34
  woman
• 8:34
  and
• 8:34
  you
• 8:35
  know
• 8:35
  stuff
• 8:35
  about
• 8:35
  crypto,
• 8:36
  and
• 8:36
  you're
• 8:36
  about
• 8:36
  to
• 8:36
  teach
• 8:36
  me.
• 8:37
  Being
• 8:37
  in
• 8:38
  vc,
• 8:39
  I
• 8:39
  bet,
• 8:39
  like,
• 8:40
  there
• 8:40
  was
• 8:40
  a
• 8:40
  lot
• 8:40
  of
• 8:41
  crypto.
• 8:41
  Are
• 8:41
  you
• 8:41
  still
• 8:42
  seeing
• 8:42
  crypto?
• 8:42
  Are
• 8:42
  you
• 8:43
  seeing
• 8:43
  less?
• 8:43
  Are
• 8:43
  you
• 8:43
  seeing
• 8:44
  more?
• 8:44
  Okay,
• 8:45
  great
• 8:45
  question.
• 8:46
  So
• 8:46
  I'll
• 8:47
  answer
• 8:47
  this
• 8:47
  question
• 8:48
  in
• 8:48
  the
• 8:48
  context
• 8:48
  of
• 8:48
  my
• 8:49
  time
• 8:49
  in
• 8:50
  VC,
• 8:50
  which
• 8:50
  is
• 8:51
  January
• 8:52
  2024
• 8:53
  through
• 8:53
  now,
• 8:53
  so
• 8:54
  the
• 8:54
  last
• 8:54
  two
• 8:54
  years.
• 8:55
  I
• 8:55
  think
• 8:55
  the
• 8:56
  interesting
• 8:56
  thing
• 8:56
  about
• 8:56
  VC
• 8:57
  is
• 8:58
  crypto
• 8:58
  tends
• 8:59
  to
• 8:59
  be
• 8:59
  very
• 8:59
  sort
• 8:59
  of
• 9:00
  binary
• 9:01
  in
• 9:01
  terms
• 9:01
  of
• 9:02
  either
• 9:02
  people
• 9:03
  focus
• 9:04
  on,
• 9:04
  like,
• 9:04
  crypto
• 9:05
  or
• 9:05
  web3
• 9:06
  and,
• 9:06
  like,
• 9:06
  are
• 9:06
  known
• 9:07
  investors
• 9:08
  in
• 9:08
  it,
• 9:08
  or
• 9:09
  they're
• 9:09
  sort
• 9:10
  of
• 9:10
  not.
• 9:10
  I
• 9:10
  don't
• 9:11
  know
• 9:11
  that
• 9:11
  many
• 9:12
  individual
• 9:12
  investors
• 9:13
  who
• 9:13
  are
• 9:13
  like,
• 9:13
  yeah,
• 9:14
  I
• 9:14
  invest
• 9:14
  in
• 9:14
  this,
• 9:15
  this,
• 9:15
  this,
• 9:15
  and
• 9:15
  crypto.
• 9:16
  And
• 9:16
  I
• 9:16
  think
• 9:17
  the
• 9:17
  reason
• 9:17
  for
• 9:18
  that
• 9:18
  is
• 9:18
  it's
• 9:18
  a
• 9:18
  particularly
• 9:19
  difficult
• 9:20
  topic
• 9:21
  to
• 9:21
  gain
• 9:22
  enough
• 9:22
  expertise
• 9:23
  on
• 9:23
  that
• 9:24
  you
• 9:24
  can
• 9:24
  make
• 9:24
  high
• 9:25
  conviction
• 9:26
  decisions.
• 9:27
  And
• 9:27
  our
• 9:28
  firm
• 9:28
  happens
• 9:29
  to
• 9:29
  be
• 9:29
  a
• 9:29
  firm
• 9:29
  that
• 9:29
  doesn't
• 9:30
  invest
• 9:30
  in
• 9:31
  crypto,
• 9:32
  really.
• 9:32
  So
• 9:33
  my
• 9:33
  knowledge,
• 9:34
  honestly,
• 9:35
  is
• 9:35
  pretty
• 9:36
  basic.
• 9:36
  That
• 9:37
  being
• 9:37
  said,
• 9:37
  like,
• 9:37
  you
• 9:37
  do
• 9:38
  still
• 9:38
  see
• 9:38
  stuff.
• 9:39
  Yeah,
• 9:39
  I
• 9:39
  bet.
• 9:39
  Bet
• 9:40
  people
• 9:40
  send
• 9:40
  stuff
• 9:40
  to
• 9:41
  you,
• 9:41
  and
• 9:41
  then
• 9:41
  you
• 9:41
  can
• 9:41
  be
• 9:41
  like,
• 9:42
  yeah,
• 9:42
  totally.
• 9:43
  I
• 9:43
  see
• 9:43
  crypto
• 9:44
  things
• 9:44
  floating
• 9:45
  through
• 9:45
  the
• 9:45
  market,
• 9:45
  but,
• 9:46
  like,
• 9:47
  vastly
• 9:47
  overshadowed
• 9:48
  by,
• 9:48
  like,
• 9:49
  AI.
• 9:50
  Yeah,
• 9:50
  that
• 9:50
  makes
• 9:50
  a
• 9:50
  lot
• 9:50
  of
• 9:51
  sense.
• 9:51
  And
• 9:51
  now
• 9:51
  AI
• 9:51
  crypto.
• 9:52
  We'll
• 9:52
  see.
• 9:52
  We'll
• 9:52
  see
• 9:52
  where
• 9:52
  it
• 9:52
  goes,
• 9:53
  right?
• 9:53
  Yeah.
• 9:54
  Yeah.
• 9:54
  So
• 9:54
  a
• 9:54
  bunch
• 9:54
  of
• 9:54
  words
• 9:55
  get
• 9:55
  thrown
• 9:55
  around
• 9:55
  in
• 9:55
  this
• 9:55
  episode.
• 9:56
  One
• 9:56
  word
• 9:56
  is
• 9:57
  chain
• 9:57
  or,
• 9:58
  like,
• 9:58
  blockchain.
• 9:59
  And
• 9:59
  so
• 10:00
  the.
• 10:00
  I
• 10:00
  think
• 10:00
  the
• 10:00
  chain
• 10:01
  thing
• 10:01
  can
• 10:01
  be
• 10:01
  confusing.
• 10:02
  And
• 10:02
  I
• 10:02
  think
• 10:03
  a
• 10:03
  really
• 10:03
  easy
• 10:03
  way
• 10:03
  to
• 10:03
  think
• 10:04
  about
• 10:04
  that
• 10:04
  is,
• 10:04
  like,
• 10:05
  there
• 10:05
  are
• 10:05
  different
• 10:06
  chains
• 10:07
  that
• 10:07
  have
• 10:07
  different
• 10:07
  types
• 10:08
  of
• 10:08
  tokens,
• 10:08
  and
• 10:08
  there
• 10:09
  are
• 10:09
  rules
• 10:09
  about
• 10:10
  the
• 10:10
  types
• 10:10
  of
• 10:10
  tokens
• 10:11
  could
• 10:11
  be
• 10:11
  on
• 10:11
  the
• 10:11
  chain.
• 10:11
  Like,
• 10:12
  a
• 10:12
  big
• 10:12
  one
• 10:12
  is
• 10:12
  Ethereum
• 10:13
  has
• 10:13
  its
• 10:13
  own
• 10:14
  chain,
• 10:15
  Solana
• 10:15
  has
• 10:16
  its
• 10:16
  own
• 10:16
  chain,
• 10:17
  and
• 10:17
  those
• 10:17
  are,
• 10:17
  like,
• 10:17
  the
• 10:17
  big
• 10:18
  accepted
• 10:18
  ones.
• 10:18
  But
• 10:18
  there
• 10:19
  are
• 10:19
  A
• 10:19
  bunch
• 10:19
  of
• 10:19
  different
• 10:20
  ones.
• 10:20
  And
• 10:20
  when
• 10:21
  you
• 10:21
  hear
• 10:21
  about,
• 10:21
  like,
• 10:22
  meme
• 10:22
  coins
• 10:23
  are
• 10:23
  those
• 10:24
  types
• 10:25
  of
• 10:25
  coins
• 10:26
  on
• 10:26
  one
• 10:26
  of
• 10:27
  the
• 10:27
  chains,
• 10:27
  there's
• 10:27
  not,
• 10:28
  like,
• 10:28
  new
• 10:28
  chains
• 10:28
  being
• 10:29
  built
• 10:29
  per
• 10:29
  coin.
• 10:30
  Usually
• 10:31
  those
• 10:31
  are
• 10:31
  types
• 10:31
  of
• 10:31
  coins
• 10:32
  on
• 10:32
  a
• 10:32
  chain.
• 10:32
  You
• 10:33
  see
• 10:33
  a
• 10:33
  lot
• 10:33
  of
• 10:34
  Solana
• 10:34
  meme
• 10:35
  coins
• 10:35
  and
• 10:36
  Ethereum
• 10:36
  meme
• 10:37
  coins,
• 10:37
  but
• 10:38
  mostly
• 10:38
  Solana,
• 10:39
  I
• 10:39
  think,
• 10:39
  is,
• 10:39
  like,
• 10:39
  the
• 10:39
  easiest
• 10:40
  one
• 10:40
  to
• 10:40
  spin
• 10:40
  up
• 10:40
  a
• 10:41
  meme
• 10:41
  coin
• 10:41
  on.
• 10:42
  Okay.
• 10:42
  And
• 10:42
  if
• 10:42
  you
• 10:43
  could
• 10:43
  explain
• 10:44
  the
• 10:45
  chain.
• 10:46
  Yeah.
• 10:46
  In
• 10:47
  brief.
• 10:48
  So
• 10:48
  the
• 10:48
  best
• 10:49
  way
• 10:49
  to
• 10:49
  explain
• 10:50
  it
• 10:50
  is,
• 10:50
  like,
• 10:51
  the
• 10:51
  dollar.
• 10:52
  We
• 10:52
  all
• 10:52
  agree
• 10:52
  that
• 10:53
  the
• 10:53
  dollar
• 10:53
  is
• 10:53
  worth
• 10:54
  this
• 10:54
  much.
• 10:54
  It's
• 10:55
  very
• 10:55
  similar
• 10:55
  where,
• 10:56
  like,
• 10:56
  bitcoin,
• 10:57
  we
• 10:57
  all
• 10:57
  agree
• 10:57
  bitcoin
• 10:58
  is
• 10:58
  worth
• 10:58
  this
• 10:58
  much
• 10:59
  because
• 10:59
  here's
• 10:59
  the
• 10:59
  demand.
• 11:00
  There
• 11:01
  is,
• 11:01
  like,
• 11:02
  this
• 11:02
  much
• 11:02
  Bitcoin.
• 11:03
  And
• 11:04
  the
• 11:04
  one
• 11:04
  thing
• 11:04
  about
• 11:05
  bitcoin
• 11:05
  that
• 11:05
  is
• 11:06
  different
• 11:06
  is,
• 11:07
  like,
• 11:07
  there
• 11:08
  is
• 11:08
  a
• 11:08
  finite
• 11:09
  number
• 11:09
  of
• 11:09
  bitcoin
• 11:10
  possible,
• 11:10
  and
• 11:11
  that's
• 11:11
  one
• 11:11
  of
• 11:11
  the
• 11:11
  rules
• 11:11
  of
• 11:12
  that
• 11:12
  chain.
• 11:12
  Every
• 11:13
  chain
• 11:13
  has
• 11:13
  its
• 11:14
  own
• 11:14
  rule
• 11:14
  set
• 11:15
  of,
• 11:15
  like,
• 11:16
  here's
• 11:16
  what
• 11:16
  everyone
• 11:17
  that
• 11:17
  believes
• 11:17
  a
• 11:18
  token
• 11:18
  on
• 11:18
  this
• 11:18
  chain
• 11:19
  all
• 11:19
  believes
• 11:20
  is
• 11:20
  valuable.
• 11:21
  So
• 11:22
  I
• 11:22
  think
• 11:22
  when
• 11:23
  you
• 11:23
  say
• 11:23
  a
• 11:23
  different
• 11:23
  chain,
• 11:24
  that's
• 11:24
  what
• 11:24
  you're
• 11:24
  talking
• 11:25
  about.
• 11:25
  Like,
• 11:25
  a
• 11:25
  different
• 11:25
  set
• 11:26
  of
• 11:26
  here's
• 11:26
  what
• 11:26
  we
• 11:27
  think
• 11:27
  are
• 11:27
  the
• 11:27
  rules,
• 11:27
  and
• 11:28
  here's
• 11:28
  what
• 11:28
  we
• 11:28
  think
• 11:28
  is
• 11:28
  valuable.
• 11:29
  Got
• 11:29
  it.
• 11:30
  And
• 11:30
  then
• 11:30
  when
• 11:30
  you
• 11:30
  talk
• 11:31
  about
• 11:31
  transactions,
• 11:32
  transactions
• 11:33
  all
• 11:33
  happen
• 11:34
  on
• 11:34
  a
• 11:34
  chain,
• 11:35
  but
• 11:36
  basically,
• 11:36
  like,
• 11:37
  transactions
• 11:38
  are
• 11:38
  like
• 11:38
  buying
• 11:38
  and
• 11:39
  selling.
• 11:39
  It
• 11:40
  can
• 11:40
  be
• 11:40
  buying,
• 11:40
  like,
• 11:40
  a
• 11:41
  new
• 11:41
  meme
• 11:41
  coin.
• 11:41
  It
• 11:42
  could
• 11:42
  be
• 11:42
  a
• 11:42
  smart
• 11:42
  contract.
• 11:43
  And
• 11:44
  smart
• 11:44
  contracts
• 11:44
  are
• 11:45
  like,
• 11:45
  if
• 11:45
  I
• 11:46
  want
• 11:46
  to
• 11:46
  start
• 11:46
  a
• 11:46
  Becca
• 11:46
  coin
• 11:47
  on
• 11:47
  Ethereum,
• 11:48
  I
• 11:48
  could
• 11:48
  start
• 11:49
  a
• 11:49
  Becca
• 11:49
  coin
• 11:49
  on
• 11:49
  Ethereum.
• 11:50
  And
• 11:50
  Becca
• 11:50
  coin
• 11:51
  has
• 11:51
  its
• 11:51
  own
• 11:51
  rules
• 11:52
  that
• 11:52
  are
• 11:52
  a
• 11:52
  subset
• 11:53
  of
• 11:53
  the
• 11:53
  Ethereum
• 11:54
  rules.
• 11:54
  Okay.
• 11:55
  Yeah.
• 11:55
  This
• 11:55
  is
• 11:55
  one
• 11:55
  of
• 11:55
  my
• 11:56
  biggest
• 11:56
  questions.
• 11:56
  Questions
• 11:57
  for
• 11:57
  you
• 11:57
  is
• 11:58
  that
• 11:58
  the
• 11:59
  part
• 11:59
  of
• 11:59
  crypto
• 11:59
  I'm
• 12:00
  more
• 12:00
  familiar
• 12:00
  with
• 12:00
  are,
• 12:01
  like,
• 12:01
  transactions
• 12:02
  on
• 12:03
  the
• 12:03
  chain,
• 12:04
  which
• 12:04
  my
• 12:04
  understanding
• 12:05
  is
• 12:05
  like,
• 12:06
  the
• 12:06
  way
• 12:07
  that
• 12:07
  blockchain
• 12:08
  technology
• 12:09
  works
• 12:09
  is
• 12:10
  that
• 12:10
  all
• 12:10
  of
• 12:10
  these
• 12:10
  transactions
• 12:11
  are
• 12:11
  transparently
• 12:12
  recorded
• 12:13
  immutably
• 12:14
  on
• 12:15
  the
• 12:15
  chain,
• 12:15
  which
• 12:16
  is
• 12:16
  one
• 12:16
  of
• 12:16
  the
• 12:17
  theoretical
• 12:17
  benefits
• 12:18
  of
• 12:18
  this
• 12:19
  type
• 12:19
  of
• 12:19
  currency
• 12:20
  exchange.
• 12:21
  What
• 12:21
  I
• 12:22
  don't
• 12:22
  really
• 12:22
  understand
• 12:23
  are
• 12:23
  smart
• 12:23
  contracts
• 12:24
  and
• 12:25
  how
• 12:25
  that
• 12:25
  fits
• 12:25
  into
• 12:26
  this
• 12:27
  whole
• 12:27
  thing.
• 12:27
  So
• 12:27
  a
• 12:28
  smart
• 12:28
  contract
• 12:29
  is
• 12:29
  if
• 12:29
  I'm
• 12:30
  starting
• 12:30
  my
• 12:31
  Becca
• 12:31
  coin,
• 12:31
  it's
• 12:32
  also
• 12:32
  an
• 12:32
  immutable
• 12:33
  transaction
• 12:34
  on
• 12:34
  the
• 12:34
  chain.
• 12:35
  And,
• 12:35
  like,
• 12:35
  when
• 12:36
  you
• 12:36
  think
• 12:36
  of
• 12:37
  the
• 12:37
  contracts,
• 12:38
  if
• 12:38
  you're
• 12:38
  thinking
• 12:39
  in
• 12:39
  a
• 12:39
  programming
• 12:39
  sense,
• 12:39
  you
• 12:40
  can
• 12:40
  think
• 12:40
  of
• 12:40
  it,
• 12:40
  like,
• 12:40
  functions.
• 12:41
  Okay.
• 12:42
  Like,
• 12:42
  one
• 12:42
  rule
• 12:43
  of
• 12:43
  Becca
• 12:43
  coin
• 12:44
  might
• 12:44
  be
• 12:45
  that
• 12:46
  no
• 12:46
  one
• 12:46
  can
• 12:46
  touch
• 12:47
  Becacoin.
• 12:47
  Like,
• 12:48
  every
• 12:48
  time
• 12:48
  someone
• 12:49
  buys
• 12:49
  a
• 12:49
  Becca
• 12:49
  coin,
• 12:50
  Becca
• 12:50
  gets
• 12:50
  a
• 12:50
  dollar.
• 12:51
  That
• 12:51
  could
• 12:51
  be.
• 12:53
  It
• 12:53
  sounds
• 12:53
  great.
• 12:55
  And
• 12:55
  so
• 12:55
  as,
• 12:56
  like,
• 12:56
  someone
• 12:56
  that's
• 12:57
  in
• 12:57
  the
• 12:57
  market.
• 12:58
  If
• 12:58
  I'm
• 12:58
  deciding
• 12:58
  if
• 12:58
  I'm
• 12:59
  going
• 12:59
  to
• 12:59
  buy
• 12:59
  Becca
• 12:59
  Coin,
• 13:00
  I
• 13:00
  want
• 13:00
  to
• 13:00
  look
• 13:00
  at
• 13:01
  that
• 13:01
  smart
• 13:01
  contract
• 13:01
  because
• 13:02
  I
• 13:02
  want
• 13:02
  to
• 13:02
  be
• 13:02
  like,
• 13:02
  oh,
• 13:02
  if
• 13:02
  I
• 13:03
  buy
• 13:03
  a
• 13:03
  dollar
• 13:03
  of
• 13:03
  Becca
• 13:04
  Coin,
• 13:04
  the
• 13:04
  whole
• 13:04
  dollar
• 13:05
  is
• 13:05
  going
• 13:05
  to
• 13:05
  Becca.
• 13:06
  Like,
• 13:07
  that's
• 13:07
  not
• 13:07
  a
• 13:07
  good
• 13:07
  investment
• 13:07
  for
• 13:08
  me.
• 13:08
  Or,
• 13:08
  like,
• 13:09
  if
• 13:09
  I'm
• 13:09
  buying
• 13:09
  $100
• 13:10
  with
• 13:10
  a
• 13:10
  Becca
• 13:10
  coin,
• 13:11
  okay,
• 13:11
  100
• 13:12
  is
• 13:12
  fine
• 13:12
  because
• 13:12
  she's
• 13:13
  only
• 13:13
  getting
• 13:13
  a
• 13:13
  dollar.
• 13:14
  And
• 13:14
  actually,
• 13:15
  I
• 13:15
  think
• 13:15
  this
• 13:15
  will
• 13:15
  be
• 13:16
  worth
• 13:16
  $500
• 13:18
  in
• 13:18
  a
• 13:18
  month,
• 13:19
  so
• 13:19
  that's
• 13:20
  a
• 13:20
  good
• 13:20
  investment
• 13:20
  for
• 13:21
  me.
• 13:21
  Okay.
• 13:21
  This
• 13:22
  might
• 13:22
  be,
• 13:22
  like,
• 13:22
  getting
• 13:23
  too
• 13:23
  much
• 13:23
  in
• 13:23
  the
• 13:23
  weeds,
• 13:24
  but
• 13:24
  how
• 13:24
  does
• 13:25
  one
• 13:25
  literally
• 13:26
  look
• 13:26
  at
• 13:26
  a
• 13:26
  smart
• 13:27
  contract?
• 13:28
  You
• 13:28
  look
• 13:28
  at
• 13:29
  it
• 13:29
  on
• 13:29
  the
• 13:29
  blockchain.
• 13:30
  You
• 13:30
  can
• 13:30
  look
• 13:30
  at
• 13:31
  it
• 13:31
  in
• 13:32
  a
• 13:32
  really
• 13:32
  dry
• 13:33
  way.
• 13:33
  Like,
• 13:34
  look
• 13:34
  at
• 13:34
  the
• 13:35
  actual
• 13:35
  contract
• 13:36
  on
• 13:36
  the
• 13:36
  blockchain.
• 13:37
  How
• 13:38
  do
• 13:38
  you
• 13:38
  do
• 13:38
  that?
• 13:38
  Is
• 13:39
  there,
• 13:39
  like,
• 13:39
  a
• 13:39
  website?
• 13:40
  Yeah,
• 13:41
  I.
• 13:42
  Well,
• 13:42
  yeah,
• 13:42
  there
• 13:42
  are
• 13:42
  websites.
• 13:43
  There's
• 13:44
  Soul
• 13:44
  Scan,
• 13:44
  which
• 13:45
  does
• 13:45
  Solana.
• 13:46
  There's
• 13:46
  Etherscan,
• 13:47
  which
• 13:47
  says
• 13:48
  Ethereum.
• 13:48
  There's
• 13:49
  lots
• 13:49
  of
• 13:49
  different,
• 13:49
  like,
• 13:50
  per
• 13:50
  chain.
• 13:50
  There's
• 13:51
  websites
• 13:52
  that
• 13:52
  allow
• 13:52
  you
• 13:52
  to
• 13:52
  see
• 13:53
  different
• 13:53
  transactions
• 13:54
  or
• 13:54
  contracts.
• 13:55
  For
• 13:55
  those
• 13:55
  things.
• 13:55
  I
• 13:56
  feel
• 13:56
  like
• 13:56
  a
• 13:57
  contract,
• 13:57
  I
• 13:57
  use
• 13:58
  something
• 13:58
  called
• 13:58
  Gecko
• 13:58
  Terminal.
• 13:59
  But
• 14:00
  there's
• 14:00
  all
• 14:00
  kinds
• 14:01
  of
• 14:01
  different
• 14:01
  websites
• 14:02
  that
• 14:02
  let
• 14:02
  you
• 14:02
  look.
• 14:03
  Usually
• 14:03
  they'll
• 14:04
  have,
• 14:04
  like,
• 14:04
  a
• 14:04
  score.
• 14:04
  It'll
• 14:05
  be
• 14:05
  like,
• 14:05
  okay,
• 14:05
  Becca
• 14:06
  Coin
• 14:06
  has
• 14:06
  a
• 14:07
  score
• 14:07
  of
• 14:08
  85.
• 14:09
  You
• 14:09
  do
• 14:09
  want
• 14:10
  to
• 14:10
  invest
• 14:10
  in
• 14:10
  it.
• 14:11
  And
• 14:11
  this
• 14:11
  is
• 14:11
  another
• 14:11
  thing
• 14:11
  we
• 14:12
  want
• 14:12
  to
• 14:12
  find
• 14:12
  is,
• 14:12
  like,
• 14:13
  a
• 14:13
  rug
• 14:13
  pull.
• 14:14
  So,
• 14:14
  like,
• 14:15
  what
• 14:15
  can
• 14:15
  happen
• 14:15
  with
• 14:16
  some
• 14:16
  of
• 14:16
  these
• 14:16
  tokens
• 14:17
  is
• 14:17
  the
• 14:17
  smart
• 14:18
  contract
• 14:18
  will
• 14:18
  have
• 14:19
  functions
• 14:19
  in
• 14:19
  it
• 14:20
  that
• 14:20
  allow,
• 14:21
  like,
• 14:21
  the
• 14:21
  creator
• 14:22
  of
• 14:22
  the
• 14:22
  token
• 14:22
  to
• 14:22
  take
• 14:22
  your
• 14:23
  money.
• 14:23
  That's
• 14:24
  why
• 14:24
  that
• 14:24
  stuff
• 14:24
  is
• 14:25
  important
• 14:25
  and
• 14:25
  why
• 14:25
  it's
• 14:25
  so
• 14:26
  risky
• 14:26
  to,
• 14:26
  like,
• 14:27
  buy,
• 14:27
  like,
• 14:27
  a
• 14:27
  Becca
• 14:28
  coin
• 14:28
  or
• 14:28
  a,
• 14:29
  like,
• 14:29
  Pepe
• 14:30
  coin.
• 14:30
  And
• 14:30
  I'm
• 14:31
  assuming
• 14:31
  for
• 14:32
  some
• 14:32
  of
• 14:32
  these,
• 14:32
  the
• 14:32
  contracts
• 14:33
  are,
• 14:33
  like,
• 14:34
  akin
• 14:34
  to
• 14:34
  reading
• 14:35
  the
• 14:35
  fine
• 14:35
  print
• 14:35
  of,
• 14:36
  like,
• 14:36
  a
• 14:36
  tech
• 14:37
  product,
• 14:37
  where
• 14:38
  it's
• 14:38
  almost
• 14:39
  impossible
• 14:40
  to,
• 14:40
  like,
• 14:41
  truly
• 14:41
  digest
• 14:42
  the
• 14:42
  realities
• 14:43
  of
• 14:43
  what's
• 14:43
  in
• 14:44
  there.
• 14:44
  Exactly.
• 14:45
  And
• 14:45
  the
• 14:45
  way
• 14:45
  they
• 14:45
  get
• 14:46
  people
• 14:46
  is,
• 14:46
  like,
• 14:46
  if
• 14:47
  I'm
• 14:47
  looking
• 14:47
  at
• 14:47
  Becca
• 14:48
  Coin,
• 14:48
  like,
• 14:48
  Becca
• 14:49
  Coin
• 14:49
  just
• 14:49
  got
• 14:49
  rolled
• 14:50
  out
• 14:50
  yesterday,
• 14:51
  and
• 14:51
  it's
• 14:51
  gone
• 14:52
  up
• 14:52
  300%
• 14:53
  in
• 14:53
  the
• 14:53
  past
• 14:53
  four
• 14:53
  hours.
• 14:54
  That's
• 14:55
  really
• 14:55
  tempting
• 14:55
  to
• 14:56
  me.
• 14:56
  Like,
• 14:56
  I'm
• 14:56
  like,
• 14:56
  oh,
• 14:56
  I
• 14:56
  should
• 14:57
  invest
• 14:57
  in
• 14:57
  that,
• 14:57
  because
• 14:57
  it's
• 14:57
  probably
• 14:58
  gonna
• 14:58
  keep
• 14:58
  going
• 14:58
  up.
• 14:59
  They're
• 14:59
  like,
• 14:59
  look
• 15:00
  how
• 15:00
  much
• 15:00
  this
• 15:00
  coin
• 15:00
  has
• 15:00
  gone
• 15:01
  up.
• 15:01
  A
• 15:01
  bunch
• 15:02
  of
• 15:02
  people
• 15:02
  will
• 15:02
  buy
• 15:02
  it,
• 15:03
  and
• 15:03
  then
• 15:03
  someone
• 15:03
  rug
• 15:04
  pulls.
• 15:04
  Like,
• 15:04
  this
• 15:04
  just
• 15:04
  happened
• 15:05
  in
• 15:05
  New
• 15:05
  York.
• 15:06
  I
• 15:06
  think
• 15:06
  Eric
• 15:07
  Adams,
• 15:07
  like,
• 15:08
  put
• 15:08
  out
• 15:08
  a
• 15:08
  coin
• 15:09
  and.
• 15:10
  And
• 15:10
  I.
• 15:11
  If
• 15:11
  you
• 15:12
  bought
• 15:12
  that,
• 15:12
  good
• 15:12
  for
• 15:12
  you,
• 15:13
  but
• 15:13
  bad
• 15:13
  for
• 15:13
  you
• 15:13
  because
• 15:13
  it
• 15:14
  Got
• 15:14
  mug
• 15:14
  pulled
• 15:14
  pretty,
• 15:15
  pretty
• 15:15
  quickly.
• 15:16
  So
• 15:17
  scary
• 15:17
  world.
• 15:17
  Scary
• 15:18
  world,
• 15:18
  but
• 15:18
  interesting
• 15:19
  stuff
• 15:19
  and
• 15:19
  a
• 15:19
  lot
• 15:19
  of
• 15:20
  cool
• 15:20
  technology
• 15:20
  involved.
• 15:21
  Wow.
• 15:21
  Chef's
• 15:22
  kiss.
• 15:22
  Thank
• 15:22
  you.
• 15:23
  That
• 15:23
  was
• 15:23
  great.
• 15:25
  You
• 15:25
  are
• 15:26
  really
• 15:26
  good
• 15:26
  at
• 15:26
  explaining
• 15:27
  crypto.
• 15:28
  Yeah.
• 15:29
  Now
• 15:29
  we'll
• 15:29
  hear
• 15:29
  from
• 15:29
  Megan.
• 15:36
  Today
• 15:36
  we're
• 15:37
  talking
• 15:37
  to
• 15:37
  Megan
• 15:37
  Heinz,
• 15:37
  who's
• 15:38
  a
• 15:38
  founding
• 15:38
  engineer
• 15:39
  at
• 15:39
  Herd
• 15:39
  Labs.
• 15:40
  Welcome,
• 15:40
  Megan.
• 15:40
  Thanks
• 15:41
  for
• 15:41
  joining
• 15:41
  us
• 15:41
  on
• 15:42
  Chaos
• 15:42
  Agents.
• 15:42
  Thanks
• 15:43
  for
• 15:43
  having
• 15:43
  me.
• 15:44
  So
• 15:44
  we
• 15:44
  ask
• 15:44
  all
• 15:45
  our
• 15:45
  guests
• 15:45
  the
• 15:45
  same
• 15:45
  question
• 15:46
  when
• 15:46
  they
• 15:46
  come
• 15:46
  on
• 15:47
  is
• 15:47
  on
• 15:47
  a
• 15:48
  scale
• 15:48
  from
• 15:48
  1
• 15:49
  to
• 15:49
  10,
• 15:50
  one
• 15:51
  being
• 15:52
  we
• 15:52
  are
• 15:52
  in
• 15:53
  the
• 15:53
  Matrix,
• 15:53
  we're
• 15:54
  going
• 15:54
  to
• 15:54
  become
• 15:54
  batteries
• 15:54
  for
• 15:55
  the
• 15:55
  machines.
• 15:55
  Skynet
• 15:56
  is
• 15:56
  coming
• 15:56
  to
• 15:57
  10.
• 15:58
  Being
• 15:59
  an
• 15:59
  Android
• 15:59
  is
• 15:59
  my
• 16:00
  best
• 16:00
  friend.
• 16:01
  He
• 16:01
  lives
• 16:01
  in
• 16:01
  my
• 16:01
  house
• 16:02
  and
• 16:02
  helps
• 16:02
  me
• 16:02
  with
• 16:03
  my
• 16:03
  laundry
• 16:03
  and
• 16:04
  my.
• 16:04
  My
• 16:04
  relationship
• 16:05
  problems.
• 16:05
  How
• 16:06
  are
• 16:06
  you
• 16:06
  feeling
• 16:06
  about
• 16:06
  where
• 16:07
  AI
• 16:07
  is
• 16:07
  right
• 16:08
  now?
• 16:08
  I
• 16:08
  feel
• 16:08
  like
• 16:09
  I'm
• 16:09
  a
• 16:09
  4,
• 16:10
  but
• 16:10
  I'm
• 16:11
  kind
• 16:11
  of
• 16:11
  like
• 16:11
  split.
• 16:12
  When
• 16:12
  we
• 16:12
  think
• 16:12
  about
• 16:13
  Genai,
• 16:13
  there's
• 16:14
  like,
• 16:14
  these
• 16:14
  LLM
• 16:15
  coding
• 16:15
  agents
• 16:15
  that
• 16:16
  help
• 16:16
  me
• 16:16
  do
• 16:16
  my
• 16:16
  job.
• 16:17
  But
• 16:17
  then
• 16:17
  also
• 16:18
  we
• 16:18
  see
• 16:18
  these
• 16:18
  Gen
• 16:19
  AI
• 16:19
  like,
• 16:19
  videos
• 16:20
  that
• 16:20
  are,
• 16:20
  like,
• 16:20
  turning
• 16:21
  people's
• 16:22
  brains
• 16:22
  to
• 16:22
  slop.
• 16:22
  And
• 16:23
  I'm,
• 16:23
  like,
• 16:23
  very
• 16:23
  hyped
• 16:24
  on,
• 16:24
  like,
• 16:24
  the
• 16:24
  LLM
• 16:25
  coding
• 16:25
  agents,
• 16:26
  but
• 16:26
  maybe
• 16:26
  less
• 16:27
  excited
• 16:27
  about
• 16:27
  the
• 16:28
  AI
• 16:28
  takeover
• 16:29
  of
• 16:29
  YouTube.
• 16:30
  Yeah,
• 16:30
  that's
• 16:31
  been
• 16:31
  really
• 16:31
  interesting.
• 16:31
  I've
• 16:32
  been
• 16:32
  finding
• 16:32
  that
• 16:33
  when
• 16:33
  I
• 16:33
  see
• 16:33
  things
• 16:34
  now,
• 16:35
  like,
• 16:35
  if
• 16:35
  it's
• 16:35
  news
• 16:36
  content,
• 16:36
  I'll
• 16:37
  read
• 16:37
  the
• 16:37
  news
• 16:37
  article,
• 16:38
  but
• 16:38
  if
• 16:38
  I
• 16:38
  see
• 16:38
  video
• 16:39
  content
• 16:39
  related
• 16:40
  to
• 16:40
  the
• 16:40
  news
• 16:40
  article,
• 16:40
  unless
• 16:41
  I
• 16:41
  see
• 16:41
  it's
• 16:41
  like,
• 16:41
  from
• 16:42
  a
• 16:42
  major
• 16:42
  news
• 16:42
  station,
• 16:43
  I
• 16:43
  have
• 16:43
  personally
• 16:44
  been
• 16:44
  like,
• 16:44
  I'm
• 16:45
  not
• 16:45
  going
• 16:45
  to
• 16:45
  absorb
• 16:46
  this
• 16:46
  because
• 16:46
  I
• 16:47
  don't
• 16:47
  know
• 16:47
  if
• 16:47
  this
• 16:47
  is
• 16:47
  real.
• 16:48
  Have
• 16:48
  you
• 16:48
  been
• 16:48
  having
• 16:49
  a
• 16:49
  similar
• 16:49
  experience?
• 16:50
  Yeah.
• 16:50
  Although
• 16:51
  I
• 16:51
  would
• 16:51
  say,
• 16:51
  like,
• 16:51
  when
• 16:52
  the
• 16:52
  Ukraine
• 16:52
  war
• 16:53
  started,
• 16:53
  there
• 16:53
  was
• 16:53
  a
• 16:53
  bunch
• 16:53
  of
• 16:54
  misinformation
• 16:55
  that
• 16:55
  I
• 16:55
  fell
• 16:55
  for
• 16:56
  that
• 16:56
  wasn't
• 16:56
  even
• 16:57
  AI
• 16:57
  generated.
• 16:58
  So
• 16:58
  I'm
• 16:59
  kind
• 16:59
  of
• 16:59
  also
• 16:59
  thinking
• 16:59
  about
• 17:00
  how
• 17:01
  misinformation
• 17:01
  has,
• 17:02
  like,
• 17:02
  always
• 17:03
  been
• 17:03
  here
• 17:03
  with
• 17:04
  us
• 17:04
  and
• 17:04
  now,
• 17:04
  like,
• 17:05
  it's
• 17:05
  scaled
• 17:06
  out
• 17:06
  and
• 17:06
  it
• 17:06
  looks
• 17:07
  better,
• 17:07
  but
• 17:08
  I'm
• 17:08
  more
• 17:08
  like,
• 17:08
  hyper
• 17:09
  vigilant
• 17:09
  about
• 17:09
  it,
• 17:10
  but
• 17:10
  also
• 17:10
  thinking
• 17:10
  about,
• 17:10
  like,
• 17:11
  what
• 17:11
  are
• 17:11
  the
• 17:11
  things
• 17:11
  I've
• 17:12
  been
• 17:12
  falling
• 17:12
  for
• 17:13
  already?
• 17:14
  Yeah,
• 17:14
  it's
• 17:14
  interesting.
• 17:15
  Like,
• 17:15
  how
• 17:15
  long
• 17:15
  has
• 17:15
  this
• 17:16
  been
• 17:16
  a
• 17:16
  problem?
• 17:16
  We've
• 17:16
  just
• 17:17
  been
• 17:17
  less
• 17:17
  aware.
• 17:19
  Our
• 17:19
  new
• 17:19
  segment
• 17:19
  that
• 17:19
  we're
• 17:20
  doing
• 17:20
  is
• 17:20
  where
• 17:21
  we
• 17:21
  put
• 17:21
  people
• 17:21
  on
• 17:21
  the
• 17:22
  spot
• 17:22
  and
• 17:22
  find
• 17:22
  out
• 17:22
  the
• 17:22
  last
• 17:23
  thing
• 17:23
  they
• 17:23
  learned
• 17:23
  from
• 17:23
  AI
• 17:24
  Me
• 17:24
  and
• 17:24
  Becca
• 17:25
  will
• 17:25
  go
• 17:25
  first
• 17:25
  so
• 17:26
  you
• 17:26
  can
• 17:26
  kind
• 17:26
  of
• 17:26
  like,
• 17:27
  get
• 17:27
  the
• 17:27
  gist.
• 17:27
  Becca
• 17:28
  uses
• 17:28
  clawed
• 17:29
  to
• 17:30
  learn
• 17:30
  correct
• 17:31
  for
• 17:31
  the
• 17:31
  most
• 17:31
  part.
• 17:32
  Actually,
• 17:32
  though,
• 17:32
  these
• 17:33
  days,
• 17:33
  a
• 17:34
  twist.
• 17:35
  I've
• 17:35
  been
• 17:35
  using
• 17:36
  Gemini
• 17:37
  more.
• 17:37
  Ooh.
• 17:39
  No
• 17:39
  one
• 17:39
  saw
• 17:39
  that
• 17:40
  coming,
• 17:40
  huh?
• 17:40
  No
• 17:41
  one
• 17:41
  Saw
• 17:41
  that
• 17:41
  coming.
• 17:42
  I'll
• 17:42
  tell
• 17:42
  you
• 17:42
  why.
• 17:43
  And
• 17:43
  it
• 17:43
  is,
• 17:44
  like,
• 17:44
  kind
• 17:45
  of
• 17:45
  a
• 17:45
  silly
• 17:45
  reason,
• 17:46
  but
• 17:46
  my
• 17:46
  wife's
• 17:47
  a
• 17:47
  product
• 17:47
  manager
• 17:47
  for
• 17:47
  context,
• 17:48
  Megan,
• 17:49
  and
• 17:49
  she
• 17:50
  has
• 17:50
  been
• 17:50
  using
• 17:50
  Gemini
• 17:51
  a
• 17:51
  lot
• 17:52
  more.
• 17:52
  I.
• 17:52
  I
• 17:52
  think
• 17:53
  partially
• 17:53
  because
• 17:54
  it's
• 17:54
  like
• 17:55
  the
• 17:55
  subscription
• 17:56
  that
• 17:56
  her
• 17:57
  company
• 17:57
  for
• 17:58
  work
• 17:58
  pays
• 17:58
  for.
• 17:59
  And
• 17:59
  so
• 18:00
  she's
• 18:00
  just
• 18:00
  become
• 18:01
  used
• 18:01
  to
• 18:01
  using
• 18:01
  it.
• 18:01
  But,
• 18:02
  like,
• 18:02
  as
• 18:02
  she
• 18:02
  used
• 18:02
  it
• 18:03
  more,
• 18:03
  she'll
• 18:03
  like,
• 18:04
  sort
• 18:04
  of
• 18:04
  mention
• 18:05
  to
• 18:05
  me
• 18:05
  on
• 18:05
  the
• 18:05
  side,
• 18:05
  like,
• 18:05
  oh,
• 18:05
  my
• 18:05
  God,
• 18:06
  Gemini's
• 18:06
  getting
• 18:06
  really
• 18:06
  good.
• 18:07
  So
• 18:08
  then
• 18:08
  I
• 18:08
  started
• 18:08
  dabbling,
• 18:09
  and
• 18:10
  it
• 18:11
  is
• 18:11
  good.
• 18:11
  So
• 18:12
  I
• 18:12
  don't
• 18:12
  know,
• 18:12
  I'm
• 18:12
  like,
• 18:13
  in
• 18:13
  this
• 18:13
  weird
• 18:13
  phase
• 18:14
  of,
• 18:14
  like,
• 18:14
  I
• 18:15
  could
• 18:15
  use
• 18:15
  any
• 18:15
  of
• 18:15
  them.
• 18:16
  It
• 18:16
  does
• 18:16
  feel
• 18:16
  like
• 18:16
  we're
• 18:16
  in,
• 18:17
  like,
• 18:17
  a
• 18:17
  streaming
• 18:17
  wars
• 18:18
  where
• 18:18
  it's
• 18:19
  like,
• 18:19
  I
• 18:19
  can't
• 18:20
  have
• 18:20
  a
• 18:20
  Netflix
• 18:20
  subscription
• 18:21
  and
• 18:21
  a
• 18:22
  Hulu
• 18:22
  subscription
• 18:23
  and
• 18:23
  a
• 18:23
  Paramount
• 18:24
  plus
• 18:24
  subscription.
• 18:24
  Description.
• 18:25
  Like,
• 18:25
  there's
• 18:26
  so
• 18:26
  many,
• 18:26
  like,
• 18:26
  LLM
• 18:27
  options
• 18:27
  now.
• 18:28
  Like,
• 18:28
  yeah,
• 18:28
  Megan,
• 18:29
  which
• 18:29
  one
• 18:29
  do
• 18:29
  you
• 18:29
  use
• 18:30
  for,
• 18:30
  like,
• 18:30
  general
• 18:31
  questions?
• 18:32
  I
• 18:32
  use
• 18:32
  Perplexity.
• 18:33
  And
• 18:33
  my
• 18:34
  husband
• 18:34
  and
• 18:34
  I
• 18:34
  have
• 18:34
  a
• 18:35
  shared
• 18:35
  account.
• 18:35
  This
• 18:36
  is
• 18:36
  gonna
• 18:36
  probably
• 18:36
  reach
• 18:36
  out
• 18:36
  and
• 18:37
  shut
• 18:37
  our
• 18:37
  account
• 18:37
  down
• 18:37
  now.
• 18:38
  And
• 18:39
  I
• 18:39
  use
• 18:39
  Perplexity
• 18:40
  for
• 18:40
  all
• 18:40
  of
• 18:41
  my,
• 18:41
  like,
• 18:41
  personal
• 18:41
  questions.
• 18:42
  And
• 18:42
  he
• 18:42
  exclusively
• 18:43
  uses
• 18:43
  Perplexity
• 18:44
  for
• 18:44
  his
• 18:44
  work
• 18:44
  questions.
• 18:45
  So
• 18:45
  it's
• 18:46
  very
• 18:46
  funny
• 18:46
  to,
• 18:46
  like,
• 18:47
  go
• 18:47
  into
• 18:48
  the,
• 18:48
  like,
• 18:49
  history
• 18:49
  because
• 18:49
  his
• 18:50
  are
• 18:50
  like,
• 18:50
  business
• 18:51
  cut
• 18:51
  and
• 18:51
  dry
• 18:51
  and
• 18:52
  mine
• 18:52
  are
• 18:52
  like,
• 18:53
  you
• 18:53
  know,
• 18:53
  3am
• 18:54
  like,
• 18:54
  spinning
• 18:55
  out
• 18:55
  about
• 18:55
  some,
• 18:56
  like,
• 18:56
  I'm
• 18:56
  anxious
• 18:57
  about.
• 18:57
  That's
• 18:58
  hilarious.
• 18:58
  That's
• 18:58
  great.
• 18:59
  Okay,
• 18:59
  so
• 19:00
  what
• 19:00
  we
• 19:00
  do
• 19:00
  is
• 19:00
  we
• 19:00
  go
• 19:00
  through.
• 19:01
  We
• 19:01
  talk
• 19:01
  about
• 19:01
  the
• 19:01
  last
• 19:02
  thing
• 19:02
  we
• 19:02
  learned
• 19:03
  looking
• 19:03
  at
• 19:03
  our
• 19:03
  history.
• 19:04
  So
• 19:04
  I
• 19:05
  cheated
• 19:05
  and
• 19:05
  I
• 19:05
  looked
• 19:06
  at
• 19:06
  this
• 19:06
  beforehand.
• 19:07
  So
• 19:07
  next
• 19:07
  time
• 19:07
  I
• 19:07
  will
• 19:08
  not.
• 19:08
  There's
• 19:08
  a
• 19:08
  few
• 19:09
  things
• 19:09
  in
• 19:09
  my
• 19:10
  backlog,
• 19:10
  like,
• 19:11
  that
• 19:11
  are
• 19:11
  just
• 19:11
  like,
• 19:11
  queries,
• 19:12
  you
• 19:12
  know,
• 19:13
  like,
• 19:13
  do
• 19:13
  EMPs
• 19:14
  exist?
• 19:14
  I
• 19:15
  wanted
• 19:15
  to
• 19:15
  learn
• 19:15
  the
• 19:15
  other
• 19:16
  day
• 19:16
  while
• 19:16
  we
• 19:16
  were
• 19:16
  watching
• 19:16
  the
• 19:16
  Matrix
• 19:17
  trilogy
• 19:17
  again,
• 19:18
  because
• 19:18
  I
• 19:18
  knew
• 19:18
  there
• 19:18
  was
• 19:18
  something
• 19:19
  complex
• 19:19
  about
• 19:19
  them
• 19:20
  of,
• 19:20
  like,
• 19:21
  there's
• 19:21
  not
• 19:21
  just,
• 19:21
  like,
• 19:22
  something
• 19:22
  you
• 19:22
  can
• 19:23
  just,
• 19:23
  like,
• 19:23
  put
• 19:23
  in
• 19:23
  your
• 19:24
  town
• 19:24
  and
• 19:24
  shut
• 19:24
  everything
• 19:24
  down.
• 19:25
  So
• 19:25
  that
• 19:25
  was
• 19:25
  helpful,
• 19:26
  but
• 19:26
  it
• 19:26
  wasn't
• 19:26
  like
• 19:26
  a
• 19:26
  back
• 19:27
  and
• 19:27
  forth.
• 19:27
  I
• 19:27
  didn't
• 19:27
  know
• 19:28
  that,
• 19:29
  to
• 19:29
  be
• 19:29
  sure.
• 19:30
  Like,
• 19:30
  I
• 19:30
  feel
• 19:30
  like
• 19:30
  you
• 19:30
  always
• 19:31
  see
• 19:32
  a
• 19:32
  reference
• 19:33
  to
• 19:33
  EMPs
• 19:34
  in
• 19:35
  Ocean's
• 19:36
  Eleven.
• 19:37
  Every
• 19:37
  James
• 19:37
  Bond
• 19:37
  movie.
• 19:38
  Yeah,
• 19:39
  like,
• 19:39
  there
• 19:39
  are
• 19:39
  nuclear
• 19:40
  EMPs,
• 19:41
  to
• 19:41
  be
• 19:41
  clear,
• 19:42
  but,
• 19:42
  like,
• 19:42
  that's
• 19:42
  like,
• 19:43
  a
• 19:43
  much
• 19:43
  bigger
• 19:43
  deal,
• 19:44
  you
• 19:44
  know?
• 19:45
  And
• 19:45
  so,
• 19:46
  yeah,
• 19:46
  just
• 19:46
  like
• 19:46
  the
• 19:47
  ones
• 19:47
  you
• 19:47
  see
• 19:47
  in
• 19:47
  the
• 19:47
  movies
• 19:47
  aren't
• 19:48
  really.
• 19:48
  A
• 19:48
  thing,
• 19:49
  but
• 19:49
  there
• 19:49
  are,
• 19:49
  like,
• 19:50
  small
• 19:50
  scale
• 19:51
  versions.
• 19:52
  I've
• 19:52
  seen
• 19:52
  these
• 19:52
  things
• 19:53
  where
• 19:53
  you
• 19:53
  can,
• 19:53
  like,
• 19:54
  turn
• 19:54
  TVs
• 19:55
  off
• 19:55
  from
• 19:55
  other
• 19:55
  rooms.
• 19:56
  Like
• 19:56
  if
• 19:56
  you're
• 19:56
  in,
• 19:57
  like,
• 19:57
  a
• 19:57
  restaurant
• 19:57
  and
• 19:57
  you
• 19:58
  Want
• 19:58
  to,
• 19:58
  like,
• 19:58
  to
• 19:58
  shut
• 19:58
  down
• 19:59
  all
• 19:59
  the
• 19:59
  electronics.
• 20:00
  They're,
• 20:00
  like,
• 20:00
  illegal,
• 20:01
  but
• 20:02
  they
• 20:02
  sound
• 20:02
  very
• 20:03
  appealing
• 20:03
  to
• 20:03
  me.
• 20:04
  Yeah,
• 20:04
  that's
• 20:04
  correct.
• 20:05
  There
• 20:05
  are
• 20:05
  ones
• 20:05
  that
• 20:06
  do,
• 20:06
  like,
• 20:06
  several
• 20:06
  meters.
• 20:07
  But
• 20:07
  if
• 20:07
  you're
• 20:08
  trying
• 20:08
  to,
• 20:08
  like,
• 20:08
  shut.
• 20:08
  The
• 20:08
  city
• 20:09
  down,
• 20:09
  shut
• 20:09
  Los
• 20:10
  Angeles
• 20:10
  down.
• 20:10
  No,
• 20:11
  yeah,
• 20:11
  yeah.
• 20:11
  It's
• 20:11
  always
• 20:11
  Los
• 20:12
  Angeles.
• 20:12
  Right?
• 20:12
  It's
• 20:13
  always
• 20:13
  L.
• 20:13
  A.
• 20:16
  People
• 20:16
  that
• 20:16
  make
• 20:16
  it
• 20:17
  a
• 20:17
  movie
• 20:17
  thinking
• 20:17
  about
• 20:18
  themselves.
• 20:20
  Classic.
• 20:20
  Okay.
• 20:21
  Mine
• 20:21
  is,
• 20:21
  like.
• 20:22
  Feels
• 20:22
  very
• 20:22
  adult
• 20:23
  for
• 20:24
  me.
• 20:24
  Not
• 20:24
  in,
• 20:24
  like,
• 20:24
  not
• 20:25
  in,
• 20:25
  like,
• 20:25
  a
• 20:25
  sexual
• 20:25
  way.
• 20:26
  I
• 20:26
  just
• 20:26
  mean,
• 20:26
  like,
• 20:26
  like,
• 20:27
  old
• 20:28
  person.
• 20:29
  So
• 20:29
  my
• 20:29
  wife
• 20:30
  and
• 20:30
  I
• 20:30
  have
• 20:30
  been
• 20:30
  looking
• 20:30
  at
• 20:31
  buying
• 20:31
  a
• 20:31
  house
• 20:32
  recently.
• 20:32
  So
• 20:32
  we've
• 20:33
  been
• 20:33
  seeing
• 20:33
  a
• 20:33
  lot
• 20:33
  of
• 20:33
  houses,
• 20:34
  and
• 20:35
  I
• 20:35
  basically
• 20:36
  had
• 20:37
  Gemini
• 20:38
  help
• 20:38
  me
• 20:39
  learn
• 20:40
  what
• 20:40
  are
• 20:40
  the
• 20:41
  actual
• 20:41
  things
• 20:41
  to
• 20:41
  look
• 20:42
  for
• 20:42
  and
• 20:42
  questions
• 20:42
  to
• 20:43
  ask
• 20:43
  when
• 20:43
  I'm,
• 20:43
  like,
• 20:44
  seeing
• 20:44
  a
• 20:44
  house
• 20:45
  to
• 20:45
  determine
• 20:46
  if
• 20:46
  it's,
• 20:46
  like,
• 20:47
  a
• 20:47
  good
• 20:47
  build
• 20:48
  or
• 20:48
  not.
• 20:49
  Like,
• 20:49
  what
• 20:49
  appliances
• 20:50
  are
• 20:51
  good
• 20:51
  quality
• 20:51
  versus
• 20:52
  builder
• 20:52
  grade.
• 20:52
  Like,
• 20:53
  when
• 20:53
  you
• 20:53
  open
• 20:54
  a
• 20:54
  cabinet
• 20:54
  drawer
• 20:56
  and
• 20:56
  you
• 20:56
  look
• 20:56
  at
• 20:56
  the
• 20:56
  joinings
• 20:57
  of
• 20:57
  the
• 20:58
  corners
• 20:58
  of
• 20:59
  the
• 20:59
  cabinets,
• 20:59
  if
• 21:00
  they're,
• 21:00
  like,
• 21:00
  teeth
• 21:01
  like
• 21:01
  this,
• 21:01
  that's
• 21:02
  a
• 21:02
  sign
• 21:03
  of,
• 21:03
  like,
• 21:03
  better
• 21:04
  quality
• 21:04
  than,
• 21:04
  like,
• 21:05
  two
• 21:05
  things
• 21:05
  glued
• 21:06
  together.
• 21:07
  Oh,
• 21:07
  like,
• 21:07
  real
• 21:08
  carpentry
• 21:08
  was
• 21:09
  done.
• 21:09
  Right.
• 21:10
  And,
• 21:10
  like,
• 21:10
  how
• 21:11
  you
• 21:11
  can
• 21:11
  tell
• 21:12
  when
• 21:12
  you
• 21:12
  go
• 21:12
  and
• 21:12
  look
• 21:12
  at,
• 21:13
  like,
• 21:13
  the
• 21:13
  hot
• 21:13
  water
• 21:13
  heater,
• 21:14
  where
• 21:14
  to
• 21:15
  look
• 21:15
  for,
• 21:15
  like,
• 21:15
  the
• 21:15
  right
• 21:16
  stuff
• 21:16
  sticker
• 21:16
  to
• 21:16
  see,
• 21:17
  like,
• 21:17
  all
• 21:17
  this
• 21:17
  stuff
• 21:17
  that
• 21:18
  I
• 21:18
  was
• 21:18
  like,
• 21:19
  I
• 21:19
  don't
• 21:19
  know
• 21:19
  any
• 21:19
  of
• 21:19
  that.
• 21:20
  It
• 21:20
  was
• 21:20
  basically,
• 21:20
  like,
• 21:21
  the
• 21:21
  foundational
• 21:21
  stuff.
• 21:22
  The
• 21:22
  stuff
• 21:22
  that,
• 21:22
  like,
• 21:23
  is
• 21:23
  not,
• 21:23
  like,
• 21:23
  obvious
• 21:24
  to
• 21:24
  the
• 21:24
  naked
• 21:24
  eye.
• 21:24
  When
• 21:24
  you're
• 21:25
  walking
• 21:25
  through
• 21:25
  something.
• 21:25
  Yeah.
• 21:26
  You
• 21:26
  might
• 21:26
  walk
• 21:26
  through,
• 21:26
  and
• 21:26
  you're
• 21:27
  like,
• 21:27
  it's
• 21:27
  beautiful,
• 21:28
  but
• 21:29
  really
• 21:30
  in.
• 21:30
  The
• 21:30
  walls
• 21:32
  are
• 21:32
  crumbling.
• 21:35
  My
• 21:36
  perspective
• 21:37
  on
• 21:37
  looking
• 21:37
  at
• 21:38
  houses,
• 21:38
  though,
• 21:38
  is,
• 21:39
  like,
• 21:39
  look
• 21:39
  for
• 21:39
  something
• 21:40
  ugly.
• 21:41
  Like,
• 21:41
  I
• 21:41
  want
• 21:41
  to
• 21:42
  see
• 21:42
  that
• 21:42
  they
• 21:42
  staged
• 21:43
  it
• 21:43
  poorly
• 21:44
  and,
• 21:44
  like,
• 21:45
  they
• 21:45
  have,
• 21:45
  like,
• 21:45
  weird
• 21:46
  wallpaper
• 21:47
  or,
• 21:47
  like,
• 21:47
  I
• 21:48
  feel
• 21:48
  like
• 21:48
  those
• 21:48
  are
• 21:48
  the
• 21:49
  gems
• 21:50
  that
• 21:50
  you're
• 21:50
  going
• 21:50
  to
• 21:50
  get
• 21:51
  for,
• 21:51
  like,
• 21:52
  lower
• 21:52
  than
• 21:52
  market
• 21:53
  rate.
• 21:53
  Like,
• 21:53
  I
• 21:53
  looked
• 21:54
  at
• 21:54
  this.
• 21:54
  What's
• 21:55
  the
• 21:55
  strategy
• 21:55
  there?
• 21:55
  You're
• 21:56
  basically
• 21:56
  like,
• 21:57
  I
• 21:57
  want
• 21:57
  something
• 21:58
  that,
• 21:58
  on
• 21:58
  the
• 21:58
  surface,
• 21:59
  other
• 21:59
  people
• 21:59
  are
• 22:00
  going
• 22:00
  to
• 22:00
  be
• 22:00
  like,
• 22:00
  but
• 22:01
  I
• 22:01
  find
• 22:01
  great.
• 22:02
  No,
• 22:02
  like,
• 22:02
  Ben,
• 22:03
  wallpaper,
• 22:03
  whatever.
• 22:04
  I'll
• 22:04
  put
• 22:04
  up
• 22:04
  new
• 22:04
  wallpaper.
• 22:05
  But,
• 22:05
  like,
• 22:05
  hopefully
• 22:05
  other
• 22:06
  people
• 22:06
  will
• 22:06
  be,
• 22:06
  like,
• 22:07
  turned
• 22:07
  away
• 22:07
  by
• 22:08
  this.
• 22:08
  Like,
• 22:09
  I
• 22:09
  looked
• 22:09
  at
• 22:09
  this
• 22:10
  studio
• 22:11
  recently
• 22:11
  where
• 22:11
  I
• 22:12
  was
• 22:12
  like,
• 22:12
  who
• 22:12
  lived
• 22:13
  here?
• 22:13
  Like,
• 22:13
  what
• 22:14
  kind
• 22:14
  of
• 22:14
  insane
• 22:14
  decisions
• 22:15
  did
• 22:15
  they
• 22:15
  make
• 22:16
  in
• 22:16
  this
• 22:16
  house?
• 22:16
  And
• 22:16
  I
• 22:17
  was
• 22:17
  just
• 22:17
  so
• 22:17
  thrilled
• 22:18
  walking
• 22:19
  in
• 22:19
  there.
• 22:19
  My
• 22:20
  Aiden
• 22:20
  was
• 22:20
  like,
• 22:21
  why
• 22:22
  are
• 22:22
  you
• 22:22
  so
• 22:22
  excited
• 22:23
  about
• 22:23
  this?
• 22:24
  I'm
• 22:24
  like,
• 22:25
  this
• 22:25
  is
• 22:25
  great.
• 22:25
  These
• 22:26
  are
• 22:26
  all
• 22:26
  super
• 22:26
  easy
• 22:27
  to
• 22:28
  change.
• 22:28
  Things
• 22:29
  that
• 22:29
  are,
• 22:29
  like,
• 22:29
  very
• 22:30
  brash
• 22:30
  and
• 22:30
  over
• 22:31
  the
• 22:31
  top.
• 22:31
  So
• 22:31
  I'm
• 22:31
  sure
• 22:32
  some
• 22:32
  percentage
• 22:33
  of
• 22:33
  people
• 22:33
  don't
• 22:34
  think
• 22:34
  this
• 22:34
  way
• 22:34
  and
• 22:34
  will
• 22:35
  be
• 22:35
  like,
• 22:35
  put
• 22:35
  off
• 22:35
  by
• 22:35
  it.
• 22:36
  I
• 22:36
  love
• 22:36
  that,
• 22:37
  man.
• 22:38
  You
• 22:38
  know
• 22:38
  what
• 22:38
  that
• 22:38
  reminds
• 22:39
  me
• 22:39
  of?
• 22:39
  Michael
• 22:40
  Jordan.
• 22:40
  You
• 22:40
  know
• 22:41
  why?
• 22:41
  Why?
• 22:42
  Okay.
• 22:43
  Because
• 22:44
  I
• 22:44
  don't
• 22:44
  know
• 22:44
  if
• 22:44
  you
• 22:44
  guys
• 22:44
  have
• 22:44
  ever
• 22:45
  seen
• 22:45
  the
• 22:45
  movie
• 22:45
  Air.
• 22:46
  Great
• 22:46
  film.
• 22:47
  No,
• 22:47
  it's
• 22:48
  basically,
• 22:49
  I
• 22:49
  saw
• 22:49
  Shoe
• 22:50
  Dog.
• 22:50
  That's
• 22:51
  different.
• 22:52
  Shoe
• 22:52
  Dog
• 22:53
  is
• 22:53
  Phil
• 22:53
  Knight's
• 22:54
  biography
• 22:55
  about,
• 22:55
  like,
• 22:56
  Nike
• 22:56
  Air
• 22:57
  is
• 22:58
  basically
• 22:58
  about
• 22:59
  how
• 22:59
  the
• 23:00
  guy
• 23:00
  who
• 23:00
  was
• 23:00
  in
• 23:01
  charge
• 23:01
  of
• 23:01
  like,
• 23:01
  Nike
• 23:02
  basketball
• 23:02
  like,
• 23:02
  discovered
• 23:03
  Michael
• 23:04
  Jordan
• 23:04
  and
• 23:04
  sort
• 23:05
  of
• 23:05
  created
• 23:06
  like
• 23:06
  the
• 23:06
  Jordan
• 23:06
  brand
• 23:07
  around
• 23:07
  him.
• 23:07
  And
• 23:08
  the
• 23:08
  reason
• 23:08
  it
• 23:08
  makes
• 23:08
  me
• 23:09
  think
• 23:09
  of
• 23:09
  Michael
• 23:09
  Jordan
• 23:09
  is
• 23:10
  at
• 23:10
  the
• 23:10
  time,
• 23:11
  Michael
• 23:11
  Jordan
• 23:11
  was
• 23:11
  like,
• 23:12
  not
• 23:12
  a
• 23:12
  nobody,
• 23:13
  but
• 23:13
  like,
• 23:13
  he
• 23:13
  was
• 23:14
  not,
• 23:14
  like,
• 23:14
  everyone's
• 23:15
  upset.
• 23:15
  He
• 23:15
  was.
• 23:16
  This
• 23:16
  was
• 23:16
  him
• 23:16
  coming
• 23:16
  out
• 23:16
  of
• 23:17
  college.
• 23:17
  It
• 23:17
  was
• 23:17
  not
• 23:17
  like,
• 23:18
  everyone's
• 23:18
  like,
• 23:18
  he's
• 23:18
  huge.
• 23:19
  He's
• 23:19
  gonna
• 23:19
  be
• 23:19
  huge.
• 23:20
  Like,
• 23:20
  but
• 23:21
  this
• 23:21
  one
• 23:21
  guy
• 23:22
  saw
• 23:23
  this
• 23:23
  one
• 23:23
  play
• 23:24
  when
• 23:25
  he
• 23:25
  was
• 23:25
  playing
• 23:26
  at
• 23:26
  North
• 23:26
  Carolina
• 23:27
  where
• 23:27
  they
• 23:27
  like,
• 23:27
  ended
• 23:28
  up
• 23:28
  getting
• 23:28
  him
• 23:28
  the
• 23:28
  ball.
• 23:28
  And
• 23:29
  he
• 23:29
  was
• 23:29
  like,
• 23:30
  okay,
• 23:30
  I
• 23:30
  like,
• 23:31
  see
• 23:31
  something
• 23:31
  here
• 23:32
  that
• 23:33
  like,
• 23:33
  I.
• 23:33
  No
• 23:33
  one
• 23:34
  else
• 23:34
  does.
• 23:35
  And
• 23:35
  he
• 23:35
  like,
• 23:35
  went
• 23:36
  after
• 23:36
  Michael
• 23:36
  Jordan
• 23:37
  to
• 23:37
  get
• 23:37
  him
• 23:37
  signed.
• 23:37
  And
• 23:37
  like
• 23:38
  all
• 23:38
  these
• 23:38
  other
• 23:38
  brands,
• 23:38
  all
• 23:38
  the
• 23:39
  big,
• 23:39
  big
• 23:40
  shoe
• 23:40
  brands
• 23:40
  at
• 23:40
  the
• 23:41
  time
• 23:41
  for
• 23:41
  basketball
• 23:41
  were
• 23:41
  like
• 23:42
  Adidas,
• 23:42
  Reebok,
• 23:43
  et
• 23:43
  cetera.
• 23:44
  We're
• 23:44
  like,
• 23:44
  eh,
• 23:44
  we're
• 23:45
  going
• 23:45
  after
• 23:45
  these
• 23:45
  other
• 23:45
  people.
• 23:46
  And
• 23:46
  he
• 23:47
  was
• 23:47
  right.
• 23:48
  So
• 23:48
  you're
• 23:48
  looking
• 23:48
  for
• 23:48
  the
• 23:48
  Michael
• 23:49
  Jordan
• 23:49
  of
• 23:49
  places.
• 23:51
  That's
• 23:52
  right.
• 23:52
  That's
• 23:53
  right.
• 23:53
  Okay,
• 23:54
  Megan,
• 23:54
  what's
• 23:54
  your.
• 23:55
  Can
• 23:55
  you
• 23:55
  look
• 23:55
  in
• 23:55
  your
• 23:55
  perplexity,
• 23:56
  what's
• 23:56
  the
• 23:56
  last
• 23:56
  thing
• 23:57
  you
• 23:57
  learned?
• 23:58
  Yeah,
• 23:58
  I
• 23:58
  can
• 23:58
  tell
• 23:58
  you
• 23:59
  this
• 23:59
  is
• 23:59
  a
• 23:59
  little
• 24:00
  longer
• 24:00
  of
• 24:00
  a
• 24:00
  story.
• 24:00
  Okay,
• 24:01
  so
• 24:01
  we're
• 24:02
  a
• 24:02
  pre
• 24:02
  revenue
• 24:03
  company.
• 24:03
  So
• 24:03
  I
• 24:03
  was
• 24:03
  like,
• 24:04
  my
• 24:04
  new
• 24:04
  Year's
• 24:04
  resolution
• 24:05
  is
• 24:05
  like,
• 24:05
  make
• 24:05
  money.
• 24:06
  Like,
• 24:06
  I
• 24:06
  want
• 24:06
  to
• 24:07
  like,
• 24:07
  get
• 24:07
  our
• 24:07
  first
• 24:07
  customer.
• 24:08
  I'm
• 24:08
  going
• 24:08
  to
• 24:09
  like,
• 24:09
  teach
• 24:09
  myself
• 24:10
  how
• 24:10
  to
• 24:10
  go
• 24:10
  to
• 24:10
  market
• 24:11
  and
• 24:12
  run
• 24:12
  product
• 24:12
  and
• 24:12
  run
• 24:13
  marketing.
• 24:14
  So
• 24:14
  I
• 24:14
  listened
• 24:15
  to
• 24:15
  this
• 24:15
  book
• 24:15
  that
• 24:16
  Perplexity
• 24:16
  recommended
• 24:17
  to
• 24:17
  me
• 24:17
  called
• 24:17
  the
• 24:18
  mom
• 24:18
  test
• 24:18
  over
• 24:19
  the
• 24:19
  weekend.
• 24:19
  Oh,
• 24:20
  I
• 24:20
  saw
• 24:20
  you.
• 24:21
  I
• 24:21
  want
• 24:21
  to
• 24:21
  learn
• 24:21
  all
• 24:22
  about
• 24:22
  this.
• 24:22
  Yeah,
• 24:22
  what
• 24:22
  did
• 24:22
  you
• 24:22
  learn?
• 24:23
  It's
• 24:23
  really
• 24:23
  quick.
• 24:24
  Like,
• 24:24
  you
• 24:24
  could
• 24:24
  listen
• 24:24
  to
• 24:24
  it
• 24:25
  in
• 24:25
  a
• 24:25
  weekend.
• 24:25
  So
• 24:25
  fast.
• 24:26
  But
• 24:26
  the
• 24:26
  mom
• 24:26
  test
• 24:26
  is
• 24:27
  basically
• 24:27
  like
• 24:27
  if
• 24:28
  you
• 24:28
  go
• 24:28
  to
• 24:28
  your
• 24:28
  mom
• 24:28
  and
• 24:29
  you're
• 24:29
  like,
• 24:29
  mom,
• 24:29
  I
• 24:29
  have
• 24:30
  this
• 24:30
  great
• 24:30
  idea.
• 24:31
  I'm
• 24:31
  going
• 24:31
  to
• 24:32
  build
• 24:32
  this
• 24:32
  app
• 24:33
  and
• 24:33
  it's
• 24:33
  going
• 24:34
  to
• 24:34
  like,
• 24:34
  serve
• 24:35
  dentists.
• 24:35
  You
• 24:35
  know,
• 24:36
  it's
• 24:36
  whatever.
• 24:36
  And
• 24:36
  your
• 24:36
  mom
• 24:37
  is
• 24:37
  always
• 24:37
  going
• 24:37
  to
• 24:37
  be
• 24:37
  like,
• 24:38
  oh,
• 24:38
  sweet
• 24:38
  sweetie.
• 24:39
  You're
• 24:39
  like,
• 24:40
  in
• 24:40
  the
• 24:40
  whole
• 24:40
  world,
• 24:40
  you're
• 24:41
  so
• 24:41
  good,
• 24:41
  so
• 24:41
  smart.
• 24:42
  You
• 24:42
  should
• 24:42
  add
• 24:42
  this
• 24:43
  feature
• 24:43
  or
• 24:43
  do
• 24:43
  this,
• 24:44
  whatever.
• 24:44
  You're
• 24:44
  like,
• 24:44
  your
• 24:45
  mom
• 24:45
  is
• 24:45
  just
• 24:45
  gonna
• 24:46
  shower
• 24:46
  you
• 24:46
  with
• 24:46
  compliments
• 24:46
  and
• 24:47
  love,
• 24:47
  because
• 24:47
  that's
• 24:47
  her
• 24:48
  job.
• 24:48
  But
• 24:49
  basically,
• 24:49
  this
• 24:49
  happens
• 24:49
  to
• 24:50
  everyone.
• 24:50
  Like,
• 24:50
  if
• 24:51
  I
• 24:51
  go
• 24:51
  to
• 24:51
  you,
• 24:51
  Becca,
• 24:51
  and
• 24:52
  say,
• 24:52
  I
• 24:52
  have
• 24:52
  this
• 24:52
  great
• 24:52
  idea
• 24:53
  for
• 24:53
  this
• 24:53
  thing,
• 24:53
  you're
• 24:53
  not
• 24:53
  gonna
• 24:53
  be
• 24:54
  like,
• 24:54
  megan,
• 24:54
  like,
• 24:55
  don't
• 24:55
  do
• 24:55
  that
• 24:56
  dumbest
• 24:57
  thing.
• 24:57
  You're
• 24:57
  never
• 24:57
  gonna
• 24:57
  make
• 24:58
  money.
• 24:58
  Like,
• 24:58
  you're
• 24:58
  gonna
• 24:58
  be
• 24:58
  super.
• 25:00
  Come
• 25:00
  on,
• 25:00
  what's
• 25:00
  wrong
• 25:01
  with
• 25:01
  you?
• 25:01
  But
• 25:01
  you
• 25:01
  want
• 25:02
  to,
• 25:02
  like,
• 25:02
  avoid
• 25:03
  bringing
• 25:03
  your
• 25:03
  ego
• 25:04
  forward
• 25:04
  and
• 25:04
  bringing
• 25:04
  your
• 25:05
  product
• 25:05
  forward
• 25:05
  and,
• 25:05
  like,
• 25:06
  focus
• 25:06
  on
• 25:06
  their
• 25:07
  lives
• 25:07
  and
• 25:07
  learning
• 25:07
  about
• 25:08
  their
• 25:08
  problems
• 25:08
  first.
• 25:09
  And,
• 25:09
  like,
• 25:09
  structure
• 25:10
  your
• 25:10
  discovery
• 25:11
  customer
• 25:11
  call
• 25:12
  so
• 25:12
  you
• 25:12
  don't
• 25:12
  fall
• 25:12
  into
• 25:13
  the
• 25:13
  mom
• 25:13
  trap,
• 25:14
  because
• 25:14
  otherwise
• 25:14
  you
• 25:15
  end
• 25:15
  up
• 25:15
  picking
• 25:15
  a
• 25:15
  bunch
• 25:15
  of,
• 25:15
  like,
• 25:16
  false
• 25:16
  positives
• 25:17
  and
• 25:17
  bad
• 25:17
  data.
• 25:18
  What
• 25:18
  I
• 25:18
  did
• 25:18
  this
• 25:19
  morning,
• 25:19
  though,
• 25:20
  is
• 25:20
  I
• 25:20
  took
• 25:20
  a
• 25:21
  PDF
• 25:21
  version
• 25:21
  of
• 25:21
  the
• 25:21
  book,
• 25:22
  and
• 25:22
  I
• 25:22
  took,
• 25:23
  like,
• 25:23
  a
• 25:23
  granola,
• 25:24
  like,
• 25:24
  recipe
• 25:24
  writer,
• 25:25
  best
• 25:25
  tip
• 25:25
  thing,
• 25:26
  and
• 25:26
  I
• 25:26
  put
• 25:26
  it
• 25:26
  into
• 25:27
  dia
• 25:28
  and
• 25:28
  I
• 25:28
  said,
• 25:28
  dia,
• 25:29
  write
• 25:29
  me
• 25:29
  a
• 25:29
  recipe
• 25:30
  for
• 25:30
  grading
• 25:31
  our
• 25:31
  customer
• 25:31
  calls.
• 25:33
  And,
• 25:33
  like,
• 25:33
  it
• 25:33
  spat
• 25:34
  some
• 25:34
  stuff
• 25:34
  out.
• 25:34
  I,
• 25:35
  like,
• 25:35
  wrote
• 25:35
  in
• 25:35
  some
• 25:36
  stuff
• 25:36
  about
• 25:36
  our
• 25:36
  company
• 25:36
  and
• 25:37
  what
• 25:37
  we're
• 25:37
  doing.
• 25:37
  And
• 25:38
  then,
• 25:38
  like,
• 25:38
  it
• 25:38
  was
• 25:39
  basically,
• 25:39
  it
• 25:39
  was
• 25:39
  like,
• 25:39
  line
• 25:40
  by
• 25:40
  line,
• 25:40
  like,
• 25:41
  find
• 25:41
  the
• 25:41
  places
• 25:42
  where
• 25:42
  we
• 25:42
  made
• 25:42
  this
• 25:42
  mistake.
• 25:43
  Find
• 25:43
  the
• 25:43
  places
• 25:44
  where
• 25:44
  we,
• 25:44
  like,
• 25:44
  had
• 25:45
  an
• 25:45
  actual
• 25:45
  learning.
• 25:46
  And,
• 25:46
  like,
• 25:46
  wow,
• 25:47
  tally
• 25:47
  everything
• 25:48
  up
• 25:48
  and
• 25:48
  grade
• 25:48
  the
• 25:49
  call.
• 25:49
  So
• 25:50
  I
• 25:50
  told
• 25:50
  my
• 25:50
  CEO
• 25:51
  to,
• 25:51
  like,
• 25:51
  apply
• 25:51
  it
• 25:51
  to
• 25:52
  a
• 25:52
  call
• 25:52
  we
• 25:52
  had
• 25:52
  last
• 25:53
  week.
• 25:53
  And,
• 25:53
  like,
• 25:53
  it
• 25:54
  gave
• 25:54
  us
• 25:54
  back
• 25:54
  first.
• 25:55
  It,
• 25:55
  like,
• 25:55
  didn't
• 25:55
  use
• 25:55
  the
• 25:56
  recipe.
• 25:56
  It
• 25:56
  just,
• 25:56
  like,
• 25:56
  gave
• 25:56
  us
• 25:57
  a
• 25:57
  generic
• 25:57
  thing.
• 25:57
  And
• 25:58
  it
• 25:58
  was
• 25:58
  like,
• 25:58
  you
• 25:58
  were
• 25:59
  okay.
• 25:59
  And
• 25:59
  then
• 25:59
  we
• 26:00
  reapplied
• 26:00
  it
• 26:00
  to
• 26:00
  the
• 26:01
  transcript.
• 26:01
  It
• 26:02
  was
• 26:02
  like,
• 26:02
  you
• 26:02
  failed
• 26:03
  this
• 26:03
  call.
• 26:03
  Look
• 26:04
  at
• 26:04
  these
• 26:04
  10
• 26:04
  mistakes
• 26:05
  you
• 26:05
  made.
• 26:05
  Like,
• 26:06
  you
• 26:06
  messed
• 26:07
  up
• 26:07
  everything,
• 26:07
  but
• 26:08
  here
• 26:08
  are
• 26:08
  the
• 26:08
  real
• 26:08
  learnings.
• 26:09
  But
• 26:10
  it
• 26:10
  was
• 26:10
  so
• 26:10
  useful
• 26:11
  because
• 26:11
  it
• 26:11
  was,
• 26:11
  like,
• 26:12
  very
• 26:12
  concrete
• 26:13
  things
• 26:13
  we
• 26:13
  should
• 26:13
  do
• 26:14
  differently.
• 26:14
  And
• 26:15
  it
• 26:15
  was
• 26:15
  like,
• 26:15
  here
• 26:15
  are
• 26:15
  your
• 26:16
  false
• 26:16
  positives.
• 26:17
  Like,
• 26:17
  you're
• 26:17
  getting
• 26:17
  these
• 26:18
  compliments,
• 26:18
  but
• 26:18
  you're
• 26:18
  not
• 26:19
  actually
• 26:19
  learning
• 26:19
  anything.
• 26:20
  You
• 26:20
  didn't
• 26:20
  get
• 26:20
  a
• 26:20
  follow
• 26:21
  up.
• 26:21
  Like,
• 26:21
  the
• 26:22
  structure
• 26:22
  around
• 26:22
  it
• 26:22
  was
• 26:23
  so
• 26:23
  good.
• 26:23
  I
• 26:23
  was
• 26:23
  like,
• 26:23
  this
• 26:24
  is
• 26:24
  amazing.
• 26:24
  And
• 26:24
  then
• 26:25
  later,
• 26:26
  we
• 26:26
  were
• 26:26
  doing
• 26:26
  a
• 26:26
  sync,
• 26:27
  and
• 26:27
  one
• 26:27
  of
• 26:27
  my
• 26:27
  coworkers
• 26:27
  like,
• 26:28
  oh,
• 26:28
  where's
• 26:28
  Claude?
• 26:29
  Code
• 26:29
  for
• 26:29
  go
• 26:29
  to
• 26:29
  market.
• 26:29
  And
• 26:30
  I
• 26:30
  was
• 26:30
  like,
• 26:30
  actually,
• 26:31
  we're
• 26:31
  working
• 26:31
  on
• 26:32
  that
• 26:32
  right
• 26:32
  now.
• 26:33
  But
• 26:33
  that's
• 26:34
  the
• 26:34
  biggest
• 26:34
  thing
• 26:34
  I
• 26:34
  learned
• 26:34
  from
• 26:34
  Maya
• 26:35
  recently
• 26:35
  is,
• 26:35
  like,
• 26:36
  how
• 26:36
  to,
• 26:36
  like,
• 26:37
  grade
• 26:37
  your
• 26:37
  customer
• 26:38
  calls
• 26:38
  and,
• 26:38
  like,
• 26:38
  be
• 26:39
  better
• 26:39
  at
• 26:39
  discovery.
• 26:40
  I
• 26:40
  love
• 26:40
  that.
• 26:41
  When
• 26:41
  you
• 26:41
  said,
• 26:41
  like,
• 26:42
  the
• 26:42
  mom
• 26:42
  thing,
• 26:42
  that
• 26:42
  made
• 26:42
  sense.
• 26:43
  And
• 26:43
  I
• 26:43
  was
• 26:43
  like,
• 26:43
  then
• 26:43
  who
• 26:43
  do
• 26:43
  you
• 26:44
  talk?
• 26:44
  Do
• 26:44
  you
• 26:44
  find
• 26:44
  someone
• 26:44
  that
• 26:45
  hates
• 26:45
  you?
• 26:45
  And
• 26:45
  you're
• 26:45
  like,
• 26:46
  yeah,
• 26:46
  yeah,
• 26:47
  I'm
• 26:47
  making
• 26:47
  sense.
• 26:47
  You
• 26:47
  don't
• 26:48
  have
• 26:48
  to
• 26:48
  find
• 26:48
  someone
• 26:48
  that
• 26:49
  hates
• 26:49
  you.
• 26:49
  But
• 26:49
  you
• 26:50
  have
• 26:50
  to,
• 26:50
  like,
• 26:50
  hide
• 26:50
  the
• 26:50
  ball
• 26:51
  a
• 26:51
  little
• 26:51
  bit.
• 26:51
  Like,
• 26:52
  you
• 26:52
  don't
• 26:52
  come
• 26:52
  out
• 26:52
  and
• 26:53
  say,
• 26:53
  I'm
• 26:53
  thinking
• 26:54
  about
• 26:54
  building
• 26:54
  this.
• 26:55
  Because
• 26:55
  people
• 26:55
  are
• 26:55
  basically
• 26:56
  always
• 26:56
  going
• 26:56
  to
• 26:56
  reflexively
• 26:57
  try
• 26:57
  to
• 26:57
  support
• 26:58
  you.
• 26:58
  You
• 26:59
  have
• 26:59
  to
• 26:59
  instead
• 26:59
  be
• 26:59
  like,
• 27:00
  hey,
• 27:00
  what's
• 27:01
  your
• 27:01
  experience?
• 27:01
  Like
• 27:02
  using
• 27:02
  Riverside
• 27:03
  for
• 27:03
  podcasting,
• 27:04
  like,
• 27:04
  any
• 27:05
  issues
• 27:06
  or
• 27:06
  whatever.
• 27:06
  Like,
• 27:06
  talk
• 27:07
  about
• 27:07
  their
• 27:07
  lives,
• 27:07
  try
• 27:08
  to,
• 27:08
  like,
• 27:08
  find
• 27:08
  where
• 27:09
  they're
• 27:09
  emotional
• 27:10
  about
• 27:10
  something.
• 27:11
  And,
• 27:11
  like,
• 27:11
  yeah,
• 27:12
  just
• 27:12
  keep
• 27:12
  yourself
• 27:13
  out
• 27:13
  of
• 27:13
  the
• 27:13
  conversation
• 27:14
  as
• 27:14
  much
• 27:14
  as
• 27:14
  possible.
• 27:15
  Or
• 27:15
  focus
• 27:16
  on,
• 27:16
  like,
• 27:17
  validating
• 27:17
  or
• 27:18
  invalidating
• 27:18
  the
• 27:18
  assumptions
• 27:19
  that
• 27:19
  you
• 27:19
  have
• 27:19
  baked
• 27:20
  into
• 27:20
  whatever
• 27:21
  solution
• 27:21
  that
• 27:21
  you
• 27:21
  are
• 27:22
  building
• 27:23
  and
• 27:23
  talking
• 27:24
  about
• 27:24
  that
• 27:24
  with
• 27:25
  the
• 27:25
  user
• 27:25
  versus
• 27:25
  the
• 27:26
  solution
• 27:26
  itself.
• 27:27
  Yeah.
• 27:27
  And
• 27:27
  the
• 27:27
  validation
• 27:28
  people
• 27:29
  will
• 27:29
  just
• 27:29
  continuously
• 27:30
  lie
• 27:30
  to
• 27:30
  you
• 27:30
  the
• 27:30
  whole
• 27:31
  time,
• 27:31
  and
• 27:31
  they
• 27:32
  don't
• 27:32
  know
• 27:32
  they're
• 27:32
  validating
• 27:33
  something
• 27:33
  for
• 27:33
  you,
• 27:33
  or
• 27:34
  you're
• 27:34
  asking
• 27:34
  them
• 27:34
  for
• 27:34
  money,
• 27:35
  or
• 27:35
  you're
• 27:35
  asking
• 27:36
  them
• 27:36
  for
• 27:36
  reputational
• 27:37
  risk.
• 27:38
  So
• 27:38
  I'd
• 27:38
  be
• 27:38
  like,
• 27:39
  sarah,
• 27:39
  I
• 27:39
  want
• 27:39
  to
• 27:39
  build
• 27:39
  this
• 27:40
  thing.
• 27:40
  Will
• 27:40
  you
• 27:41
  introduce
• 27:41
  me
• 27:41
  to
• 27:42
  Becca?
• 27:42
  And
• 27:43
  you
• 27:43
  were
• 27:43
  like,
• 27:45
  terrible.
• 27:45
  I'm
• 27:45
  not
• 27:45
  going
• 27:45
  to
• 27:45
  waste
• 27:46
  Becca's
• 27:46
  time.
• 27:46
  We're
• 27:46
  like,
• 27:47
  yes,
• 27:47
  it
• 27:47
  is
• 27:47
  worth
• 27:47
  talking
• 27:48
  to
• 27:48
  Becca.
• 27:48
  I
• 27:49
  think
• 27:49
  also,
• 27:49
  what
• 27:49
  you
• 27:50
  just
• 27:50
  described
• 27:51
  is,
• 27:51
  like,
• 27:52
  one
• 27:52
  of
• 27:52
  the
• 27:52
  most
• 27:53
  difficult
• 27:53
  things
• 27:54
  in
• 27:54
  the
• 27:54
  product
• 27:55
  development
• 27:55
  and
• 27:56
  discovery
• 27:56
  process.
• 27:56
  It's
• 27:57
  like
• 27:57
  how
• 27:57
  to
• 27:58
  ask
• 27:58
  questions
• 27:59
  the
• 27:59
  right
• 28:00
  way
• 28:01
  to
• 28:02
  potential
• 28:02
  users
• 28:03
  when
• 28:03
  you're
• 28:03
  doing
• 28:03
  user
• 28:04
  research,
• 28:04
  et
• 28:04
  cetera,
• 28:05
  where
• 28:05
  it's,
• 28:05
  like,
• 28:05
  not
• 28:05
  leading
• 28:06
  because
• 28:06
  you're
• 28:06
  right.
• 28:06
  Like,
• 28:07
  there's
• 28:07
  so
• 28:07
  much
• 28:08
  psychology
• 28:08
  around,
• 28:08
  like,
• 28:09
  how
• 28:09
  people
• 28:09
  will
• 28:09
  answer
• 28:10
  questions
• 28:11
  that
• 28:11
  can
• 28:12
  lead
• 28:12
  you
• 28:12
  down
• 28:13
  paths
• 28:13
  that
• 28:13
  aren't
• 28:14
  correct.
• 28:15
  Right,
• 28:16
  right.
• 28:16
  And
• 28:16
  then
• 28:16
  that's
• 28:17
  really
• 28:17
  cool.
• 28:18
  Listening
• 28:18
  to
• 28:18
  it
• 28:18
  in
• 28:19
  the
• 28:19
  car
• 28:19
  with
• 28:19
  my
• 28:19
  husband,
• 28:19
  and
• 28:20
  he
• 28:20
  was
• 28:20
  like,
• 28:20
  oh,
• 28:21
  my
• 28:21
  God,
• 28:21
  we
• 28:21
  did
• 28:22
  this.
• 28:22
  We
• 28:22
  just
• 28:22
  went
• 28:23
  three
• 28:23
  months
• 28:23
  on
• 28:23
  some
• 28:23
  feature
• 28:24
  that,
• 28:24
  like,
• 28:24
  no
• 28:25
  one
• 28:25
  wanted
• 28:25
  after
• 28:26
  they,
• 28:26
  like,
• 28:26
  showered
• 28:27
  us
• 28:27
  with
• 28:27
  compliments
• 28:27
  in
• 28:28
  every
• 28:28
  single
• 28:28
  discovery
• 28:29
  call
• 28:29
  we
• 28:29
  had.
• 28:30
  It's
• 28:30
  hard
• 28:30
  because
• 28:31
  it
• 28:31
  feels
• 28:31
  good.
• 28:31
  It
• 28:32
  feels
• 28:32
  good
• 28:32
  to
• 28:32
  get
• 28:33
  complimented,
• 28:33
  and
• 28:34
  it
• 28:34
  feels
• 28:34
  good
• 28:34
  to
• 28:34
  give
• 28:35
  and
• 28:35
  receive
• 28:35
  compliments.
• 28:36
  Yeah.
• 28:37
  It
• 28:37
  makes
• 28:37
  me
• 28:37
  think
• 28:38
  about
• 28:38
  Becca.
• 28:38
  I
• 28:38
  wonder
• 28:39
  if
• 28:39
  you
• 28:39
  have
• 28:39
  any
• 28:39
  thoughts
• 28:39
  on
• 28:39
  this,
• 28:39
  like,
• 28:40
  vc,
• 28:41
  because
• 28:41
  I
• 28:41
  always
• 28:42
  talk
• 28:42
  to
• 28:42
  founders
• 28:42
  where
• 28:43
  they
• 28:43
  first
• 28:43
  have
• 28:43
  their
• 28:43
  VC
• 28:44
  conversations,
• 28:44
  like,
• 28:45
  initial
• 28:45
  conversations,
• 28:46
  and
• 28:47
  often
• 28:47
  they
• 28:47
  walk
• 28:47
  away
• 28:47
  with
• 28:48
  that
• 28:48
  one.
• 28:48
  Great.
• 28:48
  That
• 28:49
  was,
• 28:49
  like,
• 28:49
  so
• 28:49
  good.
• 28:50
  I
• 28:50
  have,
• 28:50
  like,
• 28:50
  10
• 28:51
  people
• 28:51
  that
• 28:51
  want
• 28:51
  to
• 28:51
  invest,
• 28:52
  and
• 28:52
  then
• 28:52
  when
• 28:53
  they
• 28:53
  come
• 28:53
  back
• 28:53
  and
• 28:53
  they're
• 28:53
  like,
• 28:54
  try
• 28:54
  to
• 28:54
  close
• 28:54
  out
• 28:54
  those
• 28:55
  conversations
• 28:55
  is
• 28:56
  when
• 28:56
  I
• 28:56
  often
• 28:57
  see
• 28:57
  they
• 28:57
  have,
• 28:57
  like,
• 28:57
  a.
• 28:58
  Oh,
• 28:58
  no
• 28:59
  moment
• 28:59
  of,
• 28:59
  like,
• 28:59
  I
• 29:00
  thought
• 29:00
  that
• 29:00
  went
• 29:00
  well.
• 29:01
  But
• 29:02
  do
• 29:02
  you
• 29:02
  see
• 29:02
  that
• 29:03
  happening
• 29:03
  where,
• 29:03
  like,
• 29:03
  founders
• 29:04
  walk
• 29:04
  away
• 29:04
  feeling
• 29:05
  maybe
• 29:05
  better
• 29:05
  or,
• 29:06
  like,
• 29:06
  a
• 29:06
  different
• 29:07
  opinion
• 29:07
  of,
• 29:07
  like,
• 29:08
  how
• 29:08
  your
• 29:09
  conversation
• 29:09
  was?
• 29:09
  And
• 29:10
  if
• 29:10
  you're
• 29:10
  a
• 29:10
  founder,
• 29:11
  what
• 29:11
  would.
• 29:11
  You,
• 29:11
  like,
• 29:11
  look
• 29:11
  For
• 29:12
  Yeah,
• 29:12
  that's
• 29:13
  a
• 29:13
  great
• 29:13
  question
• 29:14
  because
• 29:14
  I've
• 29:14
  experienced
• 29:15
  this
• 29:15
  both
• 29:16
  as
• 29:16
  a
• 29:16
  founder
• 29:17
  and
• 29:17
  on
• 29:17
  the
• 29:17
  investor
• 29:18
  side
• 29:18
  where
• 29:18
  like,
• 29:19
  as
• 29:19
  a
• 29:19
  founder
• 29:19
  I,
• 29:19
  I
• 29:20
  remember
• 29:20
  that
• 29:20
  feeling
• 29:21
  of
• 29:21
  like
• 29:21
  going
• 29:21
  to
• 29:22
  my
• 29:22
  co
• 29:22
  founder
• 29:22
  being
• 29:22
  like,
• 29:22
  dude,
• 29:23
  I
• 29:23
  think
• 29:23
  that
• 29:23
  went
• 29:23
  so
• 29:24
  well.
• 29:24
  They're
• 29:24
  definitely
• 29:25
  going
• 29:25
  to
• 29:25
  be
• 29:25
  in
• 29:26
  like
• 29:26
  they,
• 29:27
  we
• 29:27
  really
• 29:27
  vibed.
• 29:28
  And
• 29:28
  then
• 29:28
  I
• 29:29
  like,
• 29:29
  you
• 29:29
  get
• 29:29
  ghosted
• 29:30
  or
• 29:30
  like
• 29:30
  the
• 29:30
  investor
• 29:30
  kind
• 29:31
  of
• 29:31
  like
• 29:31
  drip
• 29:32
  emails
• 29:32
  you
• 29:32
  once
• 29:33
  a
• 29:33
  month
• 29:33
  for
• 29:33
  the
• 29:33
  next
• 29:34
  like
• 29:34
  six
• 29:34
  months.
• 29:34
  Like
• 29:35
  I
• 29:35
  have
• 29:35
  a
• 29:35
  lot
• 29:36
  of
• 29:36
  empathy
• 29:36
  for
• 29:37
  that
• 29:37
  feeling
• 29:37
  and
• 29:37
  that
• 29:38
  process.
• 29:38
  The
• 29:38
  best
• 29:39
  way
• 29:39
  to
• 29:39
  get
• 29:39
  a
• 29:39
  read
• 29:39
  on
• 29:40
  like
• 29:40
  really
• 29:41
  how
• 29:41
  an
• 29:41
  investor
• 29:42
  is
• 29:42
  feeling
• 29:43
  in
• 29:43
  terms
• 29:43
  of
• 29:44
  interest
• 29:44
  level
• 29:45
  after
• 29:46
  a
• 29:46
  pitch
• 29:47
  call
• 29:47
  is
• 29:48
  how
• 29:49
  urgently
• 29:50
  do
• 29:50
  they
• 29:51
  seem
• 29:51
  to
• 29:51
  want
• 29:51
  to
• 29:52
  follow
• 29:52
  up
• 29:53
  or
• 29:53
  continue
• 29:53
  the
• 29:53
  conversation
• 29:54
  or
• 29:54
  be
• 29:54
  in
• 29:54
  contact
• 29:55
  with
• 29:55
  you.
• 29:55
  If
• 29:56
  an
• 29:56
  investor
• 29:56
  is
• 29:56
  really,
• 29:57
  really
• 29:57
  interested,
• 29:58
  they're
• 29:58
  not
• 29:58
  going
• 29:58
  to
• 29:58
  like,
• 29:59
  not
• 30:00
  email
• 30:00
  you
• 30:00
  or
• 30:00
  ping
• 30:01
  you
• 30:01
  for
• 30:01
  like
• 30:02
  a
• 30:02
  week.
• 30:02
  They'll
• 30:03
  be
• 30:03
  like,
• 30:03
  hey,
• 30:03
  follow
• 30:04
  up,
• 30:04
  like
• 30:04
  I
• 30:04
  wanted
• 30:04
  to
• 30:04
  introduce
• 30:05
  you
• 30:05
  to
• 30:05
  these
• 30:05
  people.
• 30:05
  Or
• 30:05
  like,
• 30:06
  hey,
• 30:06
  do
• 30:07
  you
• 30:07
  want
• 30:07
  to
• 30:07
  have
• 30:07
  another
• 30:07
  call?
• 30:08
  Like
• 30:08
  on
• 30:08
  the
• 30:08
  side
• 30:09
  end
• 30:09
  of
• 30:09
  the
• 30:09
  spectrum
• 30:09
  that's
• 30:10
  like
• 30:10
  very
• 30:10
  interested.
• 30:11
  That's
• 30:11
  what
• 30:11
  you
• 30:11
  will
• 30:11
  see.
• 30:12
  Then
• 30:12
  there's
• 30:12
  like
• 30:12
  stuff
• 30:13
  in
• 30:13
  the
• 30:13
  middle
• 30:13
  where
• 30:13
  I
• 30:13
  would
• 30:14
  say
• 30:14
  like,
• 30:15
  call
• 30:15
  went
• 30:15
  well,
• 30:16
  but
• 30:16
  it's
• 30:16
  not
• 30:17
  an
• 30:17
  obvious
• 30:18
  yes
• 30:19
  yet.
• 30:20
  And
• 30:20
  so
• 30:20
  there's
• 30:21
  more
• 30:21
  discussion
• 30:22
  internally
• 30:23
  amongst
• 30:24
  an
• 30:24
  investment
• 30:24
  team
• 30:25
  or
• 30:25
  more
• 30:25
  due
• 30:26
  diligence
• 30:26
  that
• 30:27
  an
• 30:27
  investor
• 30:27
  needs
• 30:27
  to
• 30:28
  do.
• 30:28
  And
• 30:28
  so
• 30:29
  that
• 30:29
  will
• 30:29
  look
• 30:29
  like
• 30:29
  they'll
• 30:30
  be
• 30:30
  responsive,
• 30:31
  but
• 30:31
  they're
• 30:31
  not
• 30:31
  going
• 30:31
  to
• 30:31
  be
• 30:31
  like
• 30:32
  blowing
• 30:32
  up
• 30:32
  your
• 30:32
  inbox,
• 30:33
  like,
• 30:33
  talk
• 30:33
  to
• 30:33
  me,
• 30:34
  talk
• 30:34
  to
• 30:34
  me
• 30:34
  again.
• 30:35
  And
• 30:35
  then
• 30:35
  you
• 30:35
  have
• 30:36
  like
• 30:36
  the
• 30:37
  third
• 30:37
  end
• 30:37
  of
• 30:37
  the
• 30:37
  spectrum
• 30:38
  where
• 30:38
  they're
• 30:38
  like,
• 30:39
  cool
• 30:39
  person,
• 30:40
  cool
• 30:41
  idea,
• 30:41
  but
• 30:41
  like,
• 30:41
  either
• 30:42
  I
• 30:42
  don't
• 30:42
  think
• 30:42
  this
• 30:42
  is
• 30:42
  venture
• 30:43
  scalable
• 30:43
  or
• 30:44
  like,
• 30:44
  I
• 30:44
  don't
• 30:44
  think
• 30:44
  this
• 30:44
  is
• 30:44
  for
• 30:45
  us.
• 30:45
  And
• 30:45
  that's
• 30:46
  where
• 30:46
  you
• 30:46
  like
• 30:46
  won't
• 30:47
  hear
• 30:48
  much
• 30:48
  frequently.
• 30:49
  And
• 30:50
  the
• 30:50
  reason
• 30:50
  for
• 30:50
  that
• 30:51
  I
• 30:51
  think
• 30:51
  is
• 30:51
  not
• 30:52
  every
• 30:52
  investor
• 30:53
  I
• 30:53
  know
• 30:54
  tries
• 30:54
  hard
• 30:55
  to
• 30:55
  like
• 30:56
  be
• 30:56
  good
• 30:56
  about
• 30:56
  following
• 30:57
  up
• 30:57
  frequently
• 30:58
  with
• 30:58
  folks.
• 30:59
  But
• 30:59
  the
• 31:00
  reality
• 31:00
  is
• 31:00
  the
• 31:01
  inbox
• 31:01
  of
• 31:02
  most,
• 31:02
  most
• 31:02
  VCs
• 31:03
  is
• 31:03
  like
• 31:04
  a
• 31:04
  giant
• 31:05
  flood
• 31:05
  of
• 31:05
  stuff.
• 31:06
  And
• 31:06
  I
• 31:07
  would
• 31:07
  say
• 31:07
  like
• 31:07
  50%
• 31:08
  of
• 31:08
  the
• 31:08
  job
• 31:09
  is
• 31:09
  like
• 31:09
  triaging
• 31:10
  and
• 31:10
  prioritizing
• 31:11
  these
• 31:12
  things.
• 31:12
  So
• 31:12
  sometimes
• 31:13
  it's
• 31:13
  hard
• 31:14
  to
• 31:14
  get
• 31:14
  a
• 31:14
  sense.
• 31:14
  But
• 31:15
  the
• 31:15
  one
• 31:15
  rule
• 31:15
  of
• 31:15
  thumb
• 31:15
  I
• 31:16
  would
• 31:16
  say
• 31:16
  is
• 31:16
  like,
• 31:16
  if
• 31:17
  they
• 31:17
  really,
• 31:17
  really,
• 31:17
  really
• 31:18
  care,
• 31:18
  like,
• 31:18
  you'll
• 31:19
  know.
• 31:19
  For
• 31:19
  the
• 31:19
  most
• 31:19
  part
• 31:20
  that
• 31:20
  seems
• 31:20
  like
• 31:20
  very
• 31:21
  similar
• 31:21
  because
• 31:21
  I
• 31:21
  feel
• 31:22
  like
• 31:22
  a
• 31:22
  user.
• 31:22
  They're
• 31:23
  following
• 31:23
  up.
• 31:23
  They're
• 31:23
  like,
• 31:23
  this
• 31:23
  is
• 31:24
  so
• 31:24
  valuable.
• 31:24
  I
• 31:24
  want
• 31:25
  this
• 31:25
  thing.
• 31:25
  Yeah,
• 31:26
  that's
• 31:26
  true.
• 31:26
  Megan,
• 31:27
  you've
• 31:27
  been
• 31:28
  in
• 31:28
  crypto
• 31:28
  for
• 31:29
  a
• 31:29
  little
• 31:29
  while
• 31:29
  and
• 31:29
  it's
• 31:29
  so
• 31:30
  interesting
• 31:30
  to
• 31:30
  me
• 31:30
  because
• 31:31
  I
• 31:31
  don't
• 31:32
  often
• 31:32
  run
• 31:33
  into
• 31:34
  non
• 31:35
  22
• 31:35
  year
• 31:36
  old
• 31:36
  boys
• 31:36
  that.
• 31:41
  Non
• 31:42
  young
• 31:42
  dudes.
• 31:43
  Yeah,
• 31:44
  it's
• 31:45
  changing.
• 31:45
  It's
• 31:45
  changing
• 31:46
  a
• 31:46
  little
• 31:46
  bit.
• 31:47
  What
• 31:47
  brought
• 31:48
  you
• 31:48
  to
• 31:48
  crypto
• 31:49
  and
• 31:49
  like
• 31:49
  what
• 31:49
  appeals
• 31:50
  to
• 31:50
  you
• 31:50
  about
• 31:50
  it?
• 31:51
  My
• 31:51
  husband
• 31:51
  got
• 31:52
  very
• 31:52
  into
• 31:52
  crypto
• 31:52
  when
• 31:53
  we
• 31:53
  first
• 31:53
  moved
• 31:54
  to
• 31:54
  New
• 31:54
  York.
• 31:54
  I
• 31:55
  moved
• 31:55
  here
• 31:55
  for
• 31:56
  a
• 31:57
  machine
• 31:57
  learning
• 31:57
  job
• 31:57
  at
• 31:57
  Buzzfeed.
• 31:58
  And
• 31:58
  then
• 31:58
  he
• 31:59
  was
• 31:59
  remote
• 31:59
  at
• 32:00
  his
• 32:00
  company
• 32:00
  and
• 32:00
  he
• 32:01
  joined
• 32:01
  Crypto
• 32:02
  NYC
• 32:02
  co
• 32:03
  working
• 32:03
  space.
• 32:03
  Like
• 32:04
  very
• 32:04
  early,
• 32:04
  like
• 32:04
  early
• 32:05
  founding
• 32:05
  member.
• 32:05
  I
• 32:05
  would
• 32:06
  probably
• 32:06
  say.
• 32:07
  Don't
• 32:07
  get
• 32:07
  me
• 32:07
  in
• 32:07
  trouble
• 32:07
  if
• 32:08
  that's
• 32:08
  wrong.
• 32:08
  Generally,
• 32:09
  like
• 32:09
  what
• 32:10
  era
• 32:11
  time
• 32:11
  period
• 32:11
  are
• 32:11
  we
• 32:11
  talking
• 32:12
  about
• 32:12
  here?
• 32:12
  It
• 32:12
  was
• 32:12
  like
• 32:13
  20,
• 32:13
  2015,
• 32:14
  2016.
• 32:15
  So
• 32:15
  early.
• 32:16
  And
• 32:16
  he
• 32:16
  founded
• 32:17
  a
• 32:17
  crypto
• 32:17
  company.
• 32:18
  He
• 32:18
  runs
• 32:18
  a
• 32:18
  company
• 32:18
  called
• 32:18
  Tally.
• 32:19
  If
• 32:19
  you're
• 32:20
  launching
• 32:20
  an
• 32:20
  institution
• 32:21
  token
• 32:21
  and
• 32:22
  get
• 32:22
  in
• 32:22
  touch
• 32:22
  with
• 32:22
  us.
• 32:23
  But
• 32:24
  I
• 32:24
  got
• 32:24
  into
• 32:24
  it
• 32:24
  during
• 32:25
  my
• 32:25
  maternity
• 32:26
  leave.
• 32:26
  Actually
• 32:26
  I
• 32:27
  have
• 32:27
  two
• 32:27
  children.
• 32:27
  My
• 32:28
  first
• 32:28
  maternity
• 32:28
  leave,
• 32:29
  you're
• 32:29
  up
• 32:29
  every
• 32:30
  two
• 32:30
  hours
• 32:30
  and
• 32:31
  like
• 32:31
  you
• 32:31
  don't
• 32:32
  realize,
• 32:32
  like
• 32:32
  you
• 32:32
  actually
• 32:33
  run
• 32:33
  out
• 32:33
  of
• 32:33
  the
• 32:33
  Internet
• 32:34
  if
• 32:34
  you're
• 32:34
  up
• 32:34
  that
• 32:34
  often.
• 32:35
  Like
• 32:36
  changing.
• 32:37
  Like
• 32:38
  you
• 32:38
  find
• 32:38
  the
• 32:39
  end
• 32:39
  of
• 32:39
  the
• 32:39
  Internet,
• 32:39
  like,
• 32:40
  and
• 32:40
  the
• 32:40
  only
• 32:41
  thing
• 32:41
  that
• 32:41
  was
• 32:41
  changing
• 32:41
  was
• 32:42
  actually
• 32:42
  like
• 32:42
  crypto
• 32:43
  prices
• 32:43
  at
• 32:43
  that
• 32:43
  time.
• 32:44
  So
• 32:45
  I
• 32:45
  was
• 32:45
  like
• 32:46
  waking
• 32:47
  up
• 32:47
  trading
• 32:48
  and
• 32:48
  like
• 32:49
  breastfeeding
• 32:49
  the
• 32:50
  baby.
• 32:50
  And
• 32:51
  then
• 32:51
  I
• 32:51
  saw
• 32:51
  on
• 32:52
  my
• 32:52
  Twitter
• 32:52
  that
• 32:53
  someone
• 32:53
  was
• 32:53
  running
• 32:54
  a
• 32:55
  program
• 32:55
  where
• 32:55
  you
• 32:55
  would
• 32:56
  get
• 32:56
  paid
• 32:56
  to
• 32:56
  like
• 32:57
  learn
• 32:57
  how
• 32:57
  to
• 32:57
  use
• 32:57
  this
• 32:58
  thing
• 32:58
  called
• 32:58
  Dune
• 32:58
  Analytics.
• 32:59
  And
• 32:59
  I'm
• 33:00
  completely
• 33:00
  obsessed
• 33:01
  with
• 33:01
  Dune.
• 33:02
  And
• 33:02
  I
• 33:03
  also
• 33:03
  had
• 33:03
  a
• 33:03
  friend
• 33:03
  who
• 33:03
  was
• 33:04
  completely
• 33:04
  obsessed
• 33:04
  with
• 33:04
  Dune
• 33:05
  and
• 33:05
  he
• 33:05
  had
• 33:05
  started
• 33:05
  a
• 33:05
  company
• 33:05
  called
• 33:06
  Mintat
• 33:06
  analytics.
• 33:07
  And
• 33:07
  I
• 33:07
  thought
• 33:07
  they
• 33:07
  were
• 33:08
  the
• 33:08
  same
• 33:08
  thing.
• 33:08
  And
• 33:09
  I
• 33:09
  was
• 33:09
  just
• 33:09
  like
• 33:09
  very
• 33:09
  excited
• 33:10
  that
• 33:10
  my
• 33:10
  friend
• 33:10
  had
• 33:10
  started
• 33:10
  this
• 33:11
  company.
• 33:11
  And
• 33:12
  then
• 33:12
  I
• 33:12
  realized
• 33:12
  that
• 33:13
  it
• 33:13
  was
• 33:13
  about
• 33:13
  the
• 33:13
  same
• 33:13
  thing.
• 33:14
  But
• 33:14
  anyway,
• 33:15
  did
• 33:15
  this
• 33:15
  program
• 33:16
  on
• 33:16
  like
• 33:17
  how
• 33:17
  to
• 33:18
  do
• 33:18
  crypto
• 33:18
  analytics
• 33:19
  during
• 33:19
  my
• 33:20
  maternity
• 33:20
  leave.
• 33:20
  And
• 33:20
  like
• 33:21
  I
• 33:21
  was
• 33:21
  like
• 33:21
  breastfeeding
• 33:22
  the
• 33:22
  baby
• 33:23
  with
• 33:23
  the
• 33:23
  camera
• 33:23
  off
• 33:24
  and
• 33:24
  like
• 33:24
  writing
• 33:25
  SQL
• 33:25
  queries
• 33:26
  and
• 33:26
  like
• 33:26
  trying
• 33:27
  to
• 33:27
  like
• 33:27
  learn
• 33:27
  how
• 33:27
  protocols
• 33:28
  worked.
• 33:29
  And
• 33:29
  I
• 33:29
  got
• 33:29
  paid
• 33:30
  in
• 33:30
  crypto
• 33:30
  for
• 33:31
  doing
• 33:31
  my
• 33:31
  homework
• 33:32
  and
• 33:33
  they
• 33:33
  offered
• 33:33
  me
• 33:33
  a
• 33:34
  job
• 33:34
  at
• 33:34
  the
• 33:34
  end
• 33:34
  of
• 33:34
  it
• 33:35
  and
• 33:35
  I
• 33:35
  was
• 33:35
  like,
• 33:35
  yes,
• 33:36
  absolutely,
• 33:36
  I
• 33:36
  want
• 33:36
  to
• 33:37
  do
• 33:37
  something
• 33:37
  new
• 33:37
  and
• 33:37
  like
• 33:38
  learn
• 33:38
  something
• 33:38
  new.
• 33:39
  But
• 33:39
  the
• 33:39
  guy
• 33:39
  who
• 33:40
  ran
• 33:40
  the
• 33:40
  class
• 33:40
  is
• 33:41
  Andrew
• 33:41
  Hong,
• 33:41
  who
• 33:42
  is
• 33:42
  the
• 33:42
  CEO
• 33:43
  of
• 33:43
  Herd
• 33:43
  Labs.
• 33:44
  So
• 33:44
  I
• 33:44
  actually
• 33:44
  followed
• 33:45
  him
• 33:45
  from
• 33:45
  Dune
• 33:46
  to
• 33:46
  the
• 33:46
  Labs
• 33:47
  company,
• 33:47
  but
• 33:48
  he
• 33:48
  wasn't
• 33:48
  working
• 33:48
  at
• 33:48
  Dune
• 33:49
  at
• 33:49
  the
• 33:49
  time.
• 33:49
  He
• 33:49
  just
• 33:50
  was
• 33:50
  like
• 33:50
  a
• 33:50
  power
• 33:50
  user.
• 33:51
  But
• 33:51
  I
• 33:51
  remember
• 33:51
  like
• 33:52
  writing
• 33:52
  my
• 33:52
  application
• 33:53
  and
• 33:53
  it
• 33:53
  was
• 33:53
  like,
• 33:53
  why
• 33:54
  do
• 33:54
  you
• 33:54
  like
• 33:54
  want
• 33:54
  to
• 33:55
  like
• 33:55
  do
• 33:55
  this
• 33:55
  thing?
• 33:55
  And
• 33:56
  I
• 33:56
  was
• 33:56
  like,
• 33:56
  I'm
• 33:56
  very
• 33:56
  bored
• 33:57
  on
• 33:57
  my
• 33:57
  maternity
• 33:58
  to
• 33:58
  leave
• 33:59
  that's
• 33:59
  great.
• 34:00
  Yeah.
• 34:00
  And
• 34:00
  I
• 34:00
  think
• 34:01
  it's
• 34:01
  super
• 34:01
  interesting
• 34:02
  that
• 34:03
  also
• 34:03
  before
• 34:03
  that
• 34:04
  you
• 34:04
  were
• 34:04
  doing
• 34:04
  machine
• 34:05
  learning.
• 34:05
  Is
• 34:05
  this
• 34:05
  wild,
• 34:06
  like,
• 34:06
  like
• 34:07
  everyone
• 34:07
  I've
• 34:07
  been
• 34:08
  talking
• 34:08
  to
• 34:08
  that
• 34:08
  like,
• 34:09
  was
• 34:09
  in
• 34:09
  machine
• 34:09
  learning
• 34:10
  before
• 34:11
  this,
• 34:11
  like
• 34:11
  latest
• 34:11
  boom.
• 34:12
  How
• 34:12
  do
• 34:13
  you
• 34:13
  think
• 34:13
  about
• 34:13
  this?
• 34:13
  Because
• 34:14
  I
• 34:14
  know
• 34:14
  a
• 34:14
  lot
• 34:14
  of
• 34:14
  people
• 34:15
  with
• 34:15
  classic
• 34:15
  ML
• 34:16
  backgrounds,
• 34:16
  like,
• 34:17
  think
• 34:17
  about
• 34:18
  this
• 34:18
  space
• 34:18
  a
• 34:18
  little
• 34:19
  differently
• 34:19
  than
• 34:19
  we
• 34:19
  do.
• 34:20
  Like,
• 34:20
  what
• 34:20
  do
• 34:20
  you
• 34:20
  think
• 34:20
  of
• 34:20
  this
• 34:21
  latest
• 34:21
  boom?
• 34:22
  How
• 34:22
  have
• 34:22
  you
• 34:22
  been
• 34:23
  rolling
• 34:23
  with
• 34:23
  it?
• 34:24
  I
• 34:24
  didn't
• 34:24
  expect
• 34:25
  it.
• 34:26
  I
• 34:26
  remember
• 34:26
  like
• 34:27
  CTO
• 34:27
  of
• 34:27
  Dune
• 34:28
  coming
• 34:28
  to
• 34:28
  me
• 34:28
  and
• 34:28
  being
• 34:29
  like,
• 34:29
  we
• 34:29
  should
• 34:29
  just
• 34:30
  have
• 34:30
  like
• 34:30
  a
• 34:30
  natural
• 34:31
  language
• 34:31
  to
• 34:31
  SQL,
• 34:32
  like
• 34:32
  feature.
• 34:32
  And
• 34:33
  I
• 34:33
  was
• 34:33
  like,
• 34:33
  that's
• 34:33
  never
• 34:33
  gonna
• 34:34
  fucking
• 34:34
  work.
• 34:34
  What
• 34:34
  are
• 34:34
  you
• 34:35
  talking
• 34:35
  about?
• 34:37
  And
• 34:37
  I
• 34:37
  was
• 34:37
  like,
• 34:38
  GPT3
• 34:38
  was
• 34:39
  out.
• 34:39
  I
• 34:39
  was
• 34:39
  like,
• 34:39
  it's.
• 34:40
  It
• 34:40
  can't
• 34:40
  read
• 34:40
  SQL.
• 34:41
  Like
• 34:41
  what?
• 34:42
  I
• 34:42
  mean,
• 34:42
  no.
• 34:43
  And
• 34:43
  now
• 34:43
  obviously
• 34:44
  that's
• 34:45
  wrong.
• 34:45
  Like
• 34:45
  they're
• 34:46
  amazing
• 34:46
  at
• 34:46
  writing
• 34:46
  SQL,
• 34:47
  they're
• 34:47
  amazing
• 34:47
  at
• 34:47
  writing
• 34:47
  code.
• 34:48
  That's
• 34:48
  the
• 34:48
  thing
• 34:48
  that
• 34:48
  they're
• 34:49
  best
• 34:49
  at.
• 34:50
  So
• 34:50
  I
• 34:50
  didn't
• 34:50
  really
• 34:51
  expect
• 34:51
  it.
• 34:51
  I
• 34:52
  had
• 34:52
  been
• 34:52
  working
• 34:52
  with
• 34:53
  LLMs
• 34:54
  and
• 34:54
  NLP
• 34:55
  stuff
• 34:56
  for
• 34:56
  years
• 34:57
  and
• 34:57
  I
• 34:58
  didn't
• 34:58
  think
• 34:59
  that
• 34:59
  it
• 34:59
  was
• 34:59
  gonna
• 35:00
  scale
• 35:00
  the
• 35:00
  way
• 35:00
  it
• 35:00
  did.
• 35:01
  And
• 35:01
  then
• 35:01
  once
• 35:01
  it
• 35:02
  started
• 35:02
  scaling,
• 35:02
  I
• 35:02
  was
• 35:03
  like,
• 35:03
  yeah,
• 35:03
  but
• 35:04
  the
• 35:04
  synthetic
• 35:05
  data
• 35:05
  stuff
• 35:05
  doesn't
• 35:05
  work.
• 35:06
  And
• 35:06
  we've
• 35:06
  already
• 35:06
  like
• 35:07
  trained
• 35:07
  on
• 35:07
  the
• 35:07
  whole
• 35:07
  Internet
• 35:08
  so
• 35:08
  that's
• 35:08
  not
• 35:08
  gonna
• 35:09
  like
• 35:09
  just
• 35:09
  keep
• 35:09
  getting
• 35:09
  better.
• 35:10
  But
• 35:10
  now
• 35:10
  we've
• 35:11
  unlocked
• 35:11
  training
• 35:11
  on
• 35:11
  synthetic
• 35:12
  data,
• 35:12
  so
• 35:12
  it
• 35:13
  is
• 35:13
  just
• 35:13
  going
• 35:13
  to
• 35:13
  keep
• 35:13
  getting
• 35:14
  better.
• 35:14
  And
• 35:14
  now
• 35:15
  we
• 35:15
  like
• 35:15
  train
• 35:15
  on
• 35:16
  synthetic
• 35:17
  data
• 35:17
  of
• 35:17
  tool
• 35:17
  calling.
• 35:17
  So
• 35:18
  it's
• 35:18
  really
• 35:18
  good
• 35:18
  at
• 35:18
  tool
• 35:18
  calling
• 35:19
  and
• 35:19
  it
• 35:20
  seems
• 35:20
  like
• 35:20
  it's
• 35:20
  just
• 35:20
  going
• 35:21
  to
• 35:21
  keep
• 35:21
  going.
• 35:22
  So
• 35:22
  I
• 35:22
  was
• 35:22
  very
• 35:23
  surprised
• 35:23
  by
• 35:23
  it.
• 35:24
  Would
• 35:24
  you
• 35:24
  say
• 35:24
  like,
• 35:25
  you
• 35:25
  didn't
• 35:25
  expect
• 35:26
  it
• 35:27
  nearly
• 35:27
  in
• 35:28
  terms
• 35:28
  of
• 35:28
  the
• 35:29
  timeline
• 35:29
  or
• 35:29
  like
• 35:30
  you
• 35:30
  didn't
• 35:30
  think
• 35:30
  we
• 35:31
  would
• 35:31
  ever
• 35:31
  get
• 35:32
  there
• 35:32
  in
• 35:32
  our
• 35:32
  lifetime?
• 35:33
  Within
• 35:34
  my
• 35:34
  lifetime,
• 35:34
  I
• 35:34
  did
• 35:34
  not
• 35:35
  expect
• 35:35
  us
• 35:35
  to
• 35:35
  get
• 35:35
  to
• 35:35
  where
• 35:35
  we
• 35:36
  are
• 35:36
  now
• 35:36
  and
• 35:36
  we
• 35:36
  got
• 35:36
  there
• 35:37
  in
• 35:37
  like
• 35:37
  two
• 35:37
  years.
• 35:38
  That's
• 35:38
  great.
• 35:39
  And
• 35:39
  what
• 35:39
  are
• 35:39
  you
• 35:39
  working
• 35:39
  on
• 35:40
  now?
• 35:40
  Like,
• 35:40
  what
• 35:40
  are
• 35:40
  some
• 35:41
  of
• 35:41
  the
• 35:41
  things
• 35:42
  that
• 35:42
  you're
• 35:42
  incorporating?
• 35:43
  So
• 35:43
  we
• 35:44
  have
• 35:44
  an
• 35:44
  AI
• 35:45
  enabled
• 35:45
  block
• 35:45
  explorer
• 35:46
  and
• 35:47
  contract
• 35:47
  visualizer
• 35:48
  and
• 35:48
  we
• 35:49
  also
• 35:49
  have
• 35:49
  language
• 35:50
  for
• 35:50
  defining
• 35:51
  transactions
• 35:52
  or
• 35:52
  sets
• 35:52
  of
• 35:52
  transactions.
• 35:54
  So
• 35:54
  in
• 35:54
  that
• 35:55
  we
• 35:55
  want
• 35:55
  you
• 35:56
  to
• 35:56
  be
• 35:56
  able
• 35:56
  to
• 35:56
  like
• 35:56
  onboard
• 35:57
  to
• 35:57
  a
• 35:57
  new
• 35:57
  protocol
• 35:58
  very
• 35:58
  seamlessly
• 35:59
  without
• 35:59
  writing
• 35:59
  an
• 35:59
  entirely
• 36:00
  new
• 36:00
  solidity
• 36:00
  contract.
• 36:01
  So
• 36:01
  the
• 36:01
  last
• 36:02
  month
• 36:02
  or
• 36:02
  so
• 36:03
  I've
• 36:03
  been
• 36:03
  working
• 36:03
  on
• 36:03
  what
• 36:04
  we
• 36:04
  call
• 36:04
  like
• 36:04
  our
• 36:04
  Ask
• 36:04
  agent,
• 36:05
  which
• 36:05
  is
• 36:06
  like
• 36:06
  you
• 36:06
  come
• 36:06
  to
• 36:07
  a
• 36:07
  contract
• 36:08
  page
• 36:08
  or
• 36:08
  a
• 36:08
  function
• 36:09
  or
• 36:09
  a
• 36:09
  transaction
• 36:10
  or
• 36:10
  a
• 36:10
  wallet
• 36:10
  and
• 36:11
  you
• 36:11
  can
• 36:11
  ask
• 36:11
  whatever
• 36:11
  questions
• 36:12
  you
• 36:12
  want
• 36:12
  about
• 36:12
  it.
• 36:13
  So
• 36:13
  we
• 36:13
  have
• 36:14
  like
• 36:14
  a
• 36:14
  agent
• 36:15
  workflow
• 36:15
  system
• 36:16
  that
• 36:16
  we
• 36:16
  wrote
• 36:16
  in
• 36:16
  Mastra,
• 36:17
  and
• 36:17
  then
• 36:17
  a
• 36:17
  benchmarking
• 36:18
  eval
• 36:18
  set
• 36:19
  that
• 36:19
  I
• 36:19
  wrote
• 36:19
  in
• 36:19
  Langsmith,
• 36:20
  where
• 36:20
  you,
• 36:20
  like,
• 36:20
  land
• 36:21
  on
• 36:21
  the
• 36:21
  transaction
• 36:21
  page
• 36:22
  and,
• 36:22
  like,
• 36:22
  we
• 36:23
  tested
• 36:23
  this
• 36:23
  with
• 36:23
  a
• 36:23
  lot
• 36:24
  of,
• 36:24
  like,
• 36:24
  famous
• 36:24
  hacks
• 36:25
  and
• 36:25
  are
• 36:26
  like,
• 36:26
  hey,
• 36:26
  like,
• 36:27
  what
• 36:27
  happened
• 36:27
  in
• 36:27
  this
• 36:28
  transaction?
• 36:28
  Like,
• 36:28
  how
• 36:29
  did
• 36:29
  this
• 36:29
  hack
• 36:29
  happen?
• 36:29
  And
• 36:30
  it
• 36:30
  can
• 36:30
  go
• 36:30
  through
• 36:31
  all
• 36:31
  of
• 36:31
  the,
• 36:31
  like,
• 36:32
  many
• 36:32
  thousands
• 36:33
  of
• 36:33
  line
• 36:33
  traces
• 36:33
  and
• 36:34
  figure
• 36:34
  out
• 36:34
  exactly
• 36:35
  what
• 36:35
  function
• 36:35
  on
• 36:35
  what
• 36:36
  contract
• 36:36
  was
• 36:36
  called
• 36:36
  to,
• 36:37
  like,
• 36:37
  cause
• 36:37
  the
• 36:38
  bug
• 36:38
  that,
• 36:38
  like,
• 36:39
  allowed
• 36:39
  the
• 36:39
  exploit
• 36:40
  or
• 36:40
  whatever.
• 36:40
  And
• 36:41
  then
• 36:41
  we're,
• 36:41
  like,
• 36:41
  working
• 36:41
  with
• 36:42
  some
• 36:42
  of
• 36:42
  the
• 36:42
  more,
• 36:42
  like,
• 36:43
  complex
• 36:44
  new
• 36:44
  protocols
• 36:45
  to,
• 36:45
  like,
• 36:45
  define,
• 36:46
  like,
• 36:47
  basically
• 36:47
  just,
• 36:47
  like,
• 36:48
  new
• 36:48
  ways
• 36:48
  to
• 36:48
  interact
• 36:49
  with
• 36:49
  them.
• 36:50
  So
• 36:50
  in
• 36:50
  that,
• 36:50
  it's
• 36:51
  been
• 36:51
  a
• 36:51
  lot
• 36:51
  of,
• 36:51
  like,
• 36:51
  figuring
• 36:52
  out
• 36:52
  how
• 36:52
  to
• 36:52
  work
• 36:52
  well
• 36:53
  with
• 36:53
  agents,
• 36:53
  how
• 36:54
  to
• 36:54
  benchmark
• 36:54
  them,
• 36:55
  how
• 36:55
  to,
• 36:55
  like,
• 36:56
  make
• 36:56
  these
• 36:56
  eval
• 36:57
  systems
• 36:57
  work
• 36:57
  well
• 36:57
  so
• 36:57
  that
• 36:58
  multiple
• 36:58
  engineers
• 36:58
  can
• 36:59
  work
• 36:59
  on
• 36:59
  them.
• 36:59
  Because,
• 37:00
  like,
• 37:00
  I
• 37:00
  think
• 37:00
  everyone's
• 37:00
  worked
• 37:01
  on
• 37:01
  an
• 37:01
  agent
• 37:01
  where,
• 37:02
  like,
• 37:02
  someone
• 37:02
  comes
• 37:02
  in
• 37:03
  and,
• 37:03
  like,
• 37:03
  adds
• 37:03
  a
• 37:03
  new
• 37:03
  tool
• 37:04
  and
• 37:04
  then
• 37:04
  everything
• 37:04
  breaks.
• 37:05
  Or,
• 37:05
  like,
• 37:05
  they
• 37:05
  tweak
• 37:06
  a
• 37:06
  prompt
• 37:06
  and,
• 37:06
  like,
• 37:06
  suddenly
• 37:07
  half
• 37:07
  the
• 37:07
  things
• 37:08
  don't
• 37:08
  work
• 37:08
  anymore.
• 37:09
  So
• 37:10
  now
• 37:10
  what
• 37:10
  we
• 37:10
  do
• 37:10
  is,
• 37:10
  like,
• 37:11
  every
• 37:11
  time
• 37:11
  you
• 37:12
  edit
• 37:12
  the
• 37:12
  files
• 37:12
  around
• 37:13
  the
• 37:13
  core
• 37:14
  agent,
• 37:15
  our
• 37:15
  20
• 37:16
  or
• 37:16
  so
• 37:16
  evaluations
• 37:17
  that
• 37:17
  run
• 37:18
  10
• 37:18
  times
• 37:18
  each
• 37:19
  score,
• 37:19
  the
• 37:19
  semantic
• 37:20
  correctness
• 37:21
  of
• 37:21
  the
• 37:21
  score,
• 37:22
  it's.
• 37:22
  Almost
• 37:23
  like
• 37:23
  QA
• 37:24
  testing
• 37:25
  process,
• 37:26
  like
• 37:26
  you
• 37:26
  would
• 37:27
  if
• 37:27
  you
• 37:27
  were
• 37:27
  building.
• 37:27
  Yeah,
• 37:27
  it's
• 37:28
  the
• 37:28
  same.
• 37:28
  It's
• 37:28
  the
• 37:28
  same
• 37:28
  thing
• 37:28
  we
• 37:29
  would
• 37:29
  have
• 37:29
  done
• 37:29
  on,
• 37:29
  like,
• 37:29
  a
• 37:30
  ML
• 37:30
  algorithm
• 37:31
  as
• 37:31
  well.
• 37:31
  Like,
• 37:31
  if
• 37:31
  you
• 37:31
  deploy
• 37:32
  your
• 37:32
  recommendation
• 37:32
  algorithm,
• 37:33
  make
• 37:33
  sure
• 37:33
  that,
• 37:33
  like,
• 37:34
  your
• 37:34
  test
• 37:34
  suite
• 37:35
  is
• 37:35
  still
• 37:35
  working.
• 37:36
  So
• 37:36
  I
• 37:36
  basically
• 37:37
  set
• 37:37
  up,
• 37:37
  like,
• 37:37
  the
• 37:37
  test
• 37:37
  suite
• 37:38
  for
• 37:38
  that
• 37:38
  and
• 37:38
  then
• 37:38
  built
• 37:39
  out
• 37:39
  the
• 37:39
  workflows
• 37:40
  and
• 37:40
  the
• 37:40
  tools,
• 37:41
  and
• 37:41
  then.
• 37:41
  Yeah,
• 37:42
  that's
• 37:42
  what
• 37:42
  we're
• 37:42
  working
• 37:42
  on
• 37:43
  right
• 37:43
  now.
• 37:43
  And
• 37:44
  now
• 37:44
  we're
• 37:44
  moving
• 37:44
  on,
• 37:44
  like,
• 37:45
  to
• 37:45
  building
• 37:45
  the
• 37:46
  actual
• 37:46
  coding
• 37:46
  agent.
• 37:47
  So
• 37:47
  a
• 37:47
  lot
• 37:47
  of
• 37:47
  times
• 37:48
  you
• 37:48
  need,
• 37:48
  like,
• 37:48
  a
• 37:48
  script
• 37:49
  to,
• 37:49
  like,
• 37:49
  calculate
• 37:50
  a
• 37:50
  value
• 37:50
  before
• 37:50
  you
• 37:50
  can
• 37:51
  put
• 37:51
  it
• 37:51
  in,
• 37:51
  use
• 37:52
  it
• 37:52
  as
• 37:52
  an
• 37:52
  input
• 37:52
  for
• 37:53
  a
• 37:53
  transaction.
• 37:54
  So,
• 37:55
  like,
• 37:55
  I'm
• 37:55
  just
• 37:55
  watching
• 37:56
  Cursor
• 37:56
  right
• 37:56
  now.
• 37:57
  Work
• 37:57
  on
• 37:58
  building
• 37:58
  out
• 37:58
  the
• 37:58
  coding
• 37:59
  agent.
• 37:59
  So
• 37:59
  you,
• 38:00
  like,
• 38:00
  deploy
• 38:00
  to
• 38:00
  a
• 38:01
  remote
• 38:01
  environment,
• 38:01
  execute
• 38:02
  the
• 38:02
  code,
• 38:02
  come
• 38:03
  back,
• 38:03
  and,
• 38:03
  like,
• 38:03
  execute
• 38:04
  the,
• 38:04
  like,
• 38:04
  unit
• 38:05
  tests
• 38:05
  and
• 38:05
  keep
• 38:05
  going
• 38:06
  until
• 38:06
  you
• 38:06
  have
• 38:06
  the
• 38:07
  right
• 38:07
  data.
• 38:07
  This
• 38:08
  is
• 38:08
  something
• 38:08
  that's
• 38:08
  been
• 38:08
  really
• 38:08
  interesting
• 38:09
  to
• 38:09
  me
• 38:09
  recently
• 38:10
  is
• 38:10
  what
• 38:11
  coders
• 38:11
  are
• 38:11
  using,
• 38:12
  like,
• 38:12
  what
• 38:12
  their
• 38:12
  setup
• 38:12
  is.
• 38:13
  You're
• 38:13
  using
• 38:13
  Cursor.
• 38:14
  How
• 38:15
  important
• 38:15
  is
• 38:15
  the
• 38:15
  IDE
• 38:16
  part
• 38:16
  of
• 38:16
  Cursor
• 38:17
  to
• 38:17
  you?
• 38:17
  Like,
• 38:17
  how
• 38:17
  often
• 38:18
  are
• 38:18
  you
• 38:18
  looking
• 38:18
  at
• 38:19
  code
• 38:19
  or
• 38:19
  verifying
• 38:20
  code?
• 38:20
  How
• 38:21
  often
• 38:21
  are
• 38:21
  you
• 38:21
  just
• 38:21
  saying,
• 38:21
  like,
• 38:22
  go
• 38:22
  nuts?
• 38:22
  And
• 38:22
  do
• 38:22
  you
• 38:23
  have
• 38:23
  multiple
• 38:23
  agents
• 38:24
  going
• 38:24
  at
• 38:24
  once
• 38:24
  or
• 38:24
  just
• 38:24
  one
• 38:25
  at
• 38:25
  A.
• 38:25
  Time
• 38:25
  I've
• 38:26
  experimented
• 38:26
  with
• 38:27
  multiple
• 38:27
  agents,
• 38:28
  but
• 38:29
  the
• 38:29
  things
• 38:29
  I've
• 38:29
  been
• 38:29
  working
• 38:30
  on
• 38:30
  lately
• 38:30
  have
• 38:30
  been
• 38:31
  too
• 38:31
  serial
• 38:31
  and
• 38:32
  that
• 38:32
  like
• 38:33
  it
• 38:33
  doesn't
• 38:33
  make
• 38:33
  sense
• 38:34
  for
• 38:34
  me
• 38:34
  to
• 38:34
  have
• 38:34
  multiple
• 38:35
  agents
• 38:35
  running
• 38:35
  at
• 38:35
  once.
• 38:36
  I
• 38:36
  think
• 38:37
  the
• 38:37
  ID
• 38:37
  is
• 38:37
  still
• 38:38
  pretty
• 38:38
  important.
• 38:38
  I
• 38:39
  still
• 38:39
  go
• 38:40
  look
• 38:40
  at
• 38:40
  the
• 38:40
  code.
• 38:41
  I
• 38:41
  do
• 38:41
  feel
• 38:41
  like
• 38:42
  there's
• 38:42
  still
• 38:42
  a
• 38:42
  lot
• 38:43
  of
• 38:43
  babysitting
• 38:43
  required.
• 38:44
  I
• 38:44
  definitely
• 38:45
  spend
• 38:45
  a
• 38:45
  lot
• 38:45
  more
• 38:45
  time
• 38:46
  with
• 38:46
  the
• 38:47
  plan
• 38:47
  feature
• 38:47
  rather
• 38:48
  than
• 38:48
  looking
• 38:48
  at
• 38:48
  the
• 38:49
  code
• 38:49
  itself.
• 38:50
  I
• 38:50
  just
• 38:50
  worked
• 38:50
  on
• 38:50
  a
• 38:51
  really
• 38:51
  big
• 38:51
  feature
• 38:52
  this
• 38:52
  morning
• 38:52
  and
• 38:52
  I
• 38:52
  haven't
• 38:53
  gone
• 38:53
  and
• 38:53
  looked
• 38:54
  at
• 38:54
  the
• 38:54
  code
• 38:54
  too
• 38:54
  much.
• 38:55
  But
• 38:55
  just
• 38:55
  before
• 38:56
  this
• 38:56
  I
• 38:56
  was
• 38:56
  looking
• 38:56
  at
• 38:56
  it
• 38:57
  and
• 38:57
  I
• 38:57
  was
• 38:57
  like,
• 38:58
  these
• 38:58
  are
• 38:58
  some
• 38:58
  interesting
• 38:59
  choices
• 38:59
  you've
• 39:00
  made.
• 39:00
  So
• 39:00
  I
• 39:00
  think
• 39:01
  the
• 39:01
  eggy
• 39:01
  is
• 39:01
  still
• 39:01
  really
• 39:02
  important.
• 39:03
  I
• 39:03
  have
• 39:03
  trouble
• 39:03
  like
• 39:04
  letting
• 39:04
  go
• 39:04
  of
• 39:04
  that.
• 39:05
  The
• 39:05
  stuff
• 39:05
  you're
• 39:06
  working
• 39:06
  on
• 39:06
  sounds
• 39:06
  really
• 39:06
  valuable.
• 39:07
  I
• 39:07
  know.
• 39:07
  Even
• 39:08
  myself,
• 39:08
  I
• 39:09
  tell
• 39:09
  you
• 39:09
  like
• 39:09
  if
• 39:09
  I'm
• 39:09
  looking
• 39:10
  at
• 39:10
  a
• 39:10
  contract
• 39:10
  or
• 39:10
  a
• 39:10
  transaction,
• 39:11
  like
• 39:12
  the
• 39:12
  places
• 39:12
  where
• 39:13
  most
• 39:13
  people
• 39:13
  look
• 39:13
  are
• 39:13
  like
• 39:14
  soul
• 39:14
  scan
• 39:14
  or
• 39:15
  ether
• 39:15
  scan
• 39:16
  or
• 39:16
  like
• 39:16
  there's
• 39:16
  sites
• 39:17
  where
• 39:17
  you
• 39:17
  can
• 39:17
  pull
• 39:17
  up
• 39:17
  an
• 39:17
  actual
• 39:18
  transaction.
• 39:18
  And
• 39:19
  even
• 39:19
  pulling
• 39:19
  up
• 39:19
  a
• 39:20
  contract
• 39:20
  or
• 39:20
  a
• 39:20
  transaction
• 39:21
  and
• 39:21
  reading
• 39:21
  it
• 39:21
  with
• 39:21
  your
• 39:22
  eyes,
• 39:22
  it
• 39:22
  feels
• 39:23
  like
• 39:23
  nearly
• 39:23
  impossible.
• 39:24
  Like
• 39:24
  there's
• 39:24
  like
• 39:25
  I
• 39:25
  want
• 39:25
  to
• 39:25
  be
• 39:25
  like,
• 39:26
  what
• 39:26
  is
• 39:26
  this?
• 39:26
  Can
• 39:27
  you
• 39:27
  guys
• 39:27
  demystify
• 39:28
  something
• 39:28
  for
• 39:28
  me?
• 39:29
  So
• 39:29
  like,
• 39:30
  who
• 39:31
  needs
• 39:32
  to
• 39:32
  do
• 39:32
  that
• 39:33
  and
• 39:33
  when
• 39:34
  and
• 39:34
  why?
• 39:35
  Great
• 39:35
  question.
• 39:36
  You
• 39:36
  might
• 39:36
  need
• 39:37
  to
• 39:37
  do
• 39:37
  that
• 39:37
  if
• 39:37
  you
• 39:38
  are
• 39:38
  a
• 39:38
  vault
• 39:39
  manager
• 39:39
  and
• 39:40
  you're
• 39:40
  integrating
• 39:41
  with
• 39:41
  a
• 39:41
  new
• 39:41
  protocol
• 39:41
  and
• 39:42
  you're
• 39:42
  going
• 39:42
  to
• 39:42
  start
• 39:43
  trading
• 39:43
  with
• 39:43
  that
• 39:44
  and
• 39:44
  you
• 39:44
  want
• 39:44
  to
• 39:44
  understand
• 39:45
  what's
• 39:46
  happening
• 39:46
  before
• 39:46
  you
• 39:46
  start
• 39:47
  moving
• 39:47
  people's
• 39:48
  money
• 39:48
  around.
• 39:48
  Can
• 39:49
  I
• 39:49
  ask
• 39:49
  you
• 39:49
  another
• 39:50
  question?
• 39:50
  What
• 39:51
  is
• 39:51
  a
• 39:51
  vault
• 39:51
  manager?
• 39:53
  So
• 39:53
  vault
• 39:53
  managers,
• 39:54
  now
• 39:54
  that
• 39:54
  we
• 39:54
  have
• 39:55
  stablecoins,
• 39:56
  we
• 39:57
  have
• 39:57
  these
• 39:57
  structured
• 39:58
  money
• 39:58
  products
• 39:58
  on
• 39:59
  chain
• 39:59
  that
• 39:59
  allow
• 40:00
  you
• 40:00
  to
• 40:00
  sell
• 40:00
  yield.
• 40:01
  So
• 40:01
  I
• 40:01
  can
• 40:01
  like
• 40:02
  deposit
• 40:02
  my
• 40:02
  money
• 40:03
  for
• 40:03
  like
• 40:04
  accrued
• 40:04
  interest
• 40:05
  because
• 40:05
  it's
• 40:05
  being
• 40:06
  loaned
• 40:06
  out
• 40:07
  to
• 40:07
  someone
• 40:07
  to
• 40:07
  do
• 40:08
  something
• 40:08
  and
• 40:08
  there's
• 40:08
  some
• 40:09
  level
• 40:09
  of
• 40:09
  risk
• 40:09
  to
• 40:09
  it
• 40:10
  and
• 40:10
  therefore
• 40:10
  like
• 40:10
  I
• 40:11
  should
• 40:11
  get
• 40:11
  yield
• 40:12
  back
• 40:12
  for
• 40:12
  loaning
• 40:13
  my
• 40:13
  money
• 40:13
  for
• 40:13
  that.
• 40:14
  So
• 40:14
  vault
• 40:14
  managers
• 40:15
  are
• 40:15
  kind
• 40:15
  of
• 40:15
  like
• 40:15
  they're
• 40:16
  just
• 40:16
  on
• 40:16
  chain.
• 40:17
  Money
• 40:17
  managers,
• 40:18
  I
• 40:18
  guess.
• 40:18
  Okay,
• 40:19
  got
• 40:19
  it.
• 40:20
  Yeah.
• 40:20
  And
• 40:20
  even
• 40:21
  like
• 40:21
  regular
• 40:21
  transactions,
• 40:22
  like
• 40:22
  the
• 40:22
  contract
• 40:22
  stuff
• 40:23
  is
• 40:23
  so
• 40:23
  interesting.
• 40:23
  Like
• 40:24
  I've
• 40:24
  had
• 40:24
  the
• 40:24
  experience
• 40:25
  where
• 40:25
  I've
• 40:26
  bought
• 40:26
  a
• 40:26
  token
• 40:27
  because
• 40:27
  there's
• 40:27
  like
• 40:27
  a
• 40:27
  lot
• 40:27
  of
• 40:27
  tokens
• 40:28
  on
• 40:28
  Solana.
• 40:29
  There's
• 40:29
  a
• 40:29
  lot
• 40:29
  of
• 40:29
  different
• 40:30
  ethereum
• 40:30
  based
• 40:30
  tokens
• 40:31
  and
• 40:32
  there's
• 40:33
  so
• 40:33
  much
• 40:33
  code
• 40:33
  behind
• 40:33
  the
• 40:34
  contract
• 40:35
  that
• 40:35
  like
• 40:35
  I
• 40:36
  had
• 40:36
  an
• 40:36
  experience
• 40:37
  once
• 40:37
  where
• 40:38
  I
• 40:38
  bought
• 40:38
  a
• 40:38
  token
• 40:39
  and
• 40:39
  I
• 40:40
  didn't
• 40:40
  know
• 40:40
  that
• 40:40
  in
• 40:40
  the
• 40:41
  contract
• 40:41
  was
• 40:41
  written
• 40:41
  in
• 40:42
  that
• 40:42
  some
• 40:43
  of
• 40:43
  the
• 40:43
  purchase
• 40:43
  price
• 40:44
  can
• 40:44
  be
• 40:44
  redirected
• 40:45
  to
• 40:45
  another
• 40:46
  wallet.
• 40:46
  So
• 40:47
  what
• 40:47
  that
• 40:47
  meant
• 40:48
  was,
• 40:49
  like,
• 40:49
  if
• 40:49
  I
• 40:49
  bought
• 40:50
  this
• 40:50
  token,
• 40:50
  it
• 40:51
  was
• 40:51
  like
• 40:51
  a
• 40:51
  bait
• 40:51
  and
• 40:52
  switch.
• 40:52
  Like,
• 40:52
  it
• 40:52
  just
• 40:52
  basically
• 40:53
  took
• 40:53
  my
• 40:53
  money.
• 40:54
  And
• 40:54
  if
• 40:55
  I
• 40:55
  had
• 40:56
  looked
• 40:56
  at
• 40:56
  like
• 40:57
  the
• 40:57
  contract
• 40:57
  for
• 40:57
  this
• 40:58
  token,
• 40:58
  like
• 40:58
  with
• 40:59
  like
• 40:59
  a
• 40:59
  tool,
• 40:59
  like
• 41:00
  you're
• 41:00
  talking
• 41:00
  about,
• 41:00
  like
• 41:00
  just
• 41:01
  even
• 41:01
  saying,
• 41:01
  hey,
• 41:02
  is
• 41:02
  there
• 41:02
  anything
• 41:02
  embedded
• 41:03
  in
• 41:03
  this
• 41:03
  that
• 41:03
  could
• 41:04
  steal
• 41:04
  all
• 41:04
  of
• 41:04
  my
• 41:05
  money
• 41:05
  that
• 41:06
  would
• 41:06
  be
• 41:06
  so
• 41:06
  helpful.
• 41:07
  Here's
• 41:07
  one
• 41:07
  thing
• 41:08
  I
• 41:08
  think
• 41:08
  I
• 41:08
  just
• 41:08
  learned
• 41:09
  and
• 41:09
  tell
• 41:09
  me
• 41:09
  if
• 41:09
  this
• 41:09
  is
• 41:10
  accurate
• 41:10
  or
• 41:10
  I'm
• 41:10
  way
• 41:10
  off.
• 41:11
  Anyone
• 41:12
  who
• 41:12
  is
• 41:12
  buying
• 41:13
  any
• 41:13
  type
• 41:13
  of
• 41:14
  cryptocurrency
• 41:15
  coin
• 41:16
  is
• 41:17
  potentially
• 41:17
  at
• 41:18
  risk
• 41:18
  of
• 41:18
  a
• 41:19
  series
• 41:19
  of
• 41:19
  things,
• 41:20
  one
• 41:20
  of
• 41:21
  which
• 41:21
  Sarah
• 41:21
  just
• 41:21
  gave
• 41:22
  us
• 41:22
  a
• 41:22
  specific
• 41:22
  example
• 41:23
  of,
• 41:23
  that
• 41:23
  are
• 41:24
  like
• 41:24
  hidden
• 41:25
  in
• 41:25
  the
• 41:25
  contract.
• 41:26
  But
• 41:26
  unless
• 41:27
  you
• 41:27
  are
• 41:27
  like
• 41:28
  not
• 41:29
  only
• 41:29
  able
• 41:29
  to
• 41:30
  read
• 41:30
  the
• 41:31
  contract,
• 41:31
  but
• 41:31
  also
• 41:31
  like
• 41:32
  parse
• 41:32
  the
• 41:32
  underlying
• 41:33
  code,
• 41:33
  you
• 41:33
  would
• 41:33
  have
• 41:33
  no
• 41:34
  idea.
• 41:34
  Is
• 41:35
  that
• 41:35
  correct?
• 41:36
  I
• 41:36
  think
• 41:36
  that's
• 41:37
  correct.
• 41:37
  And,
• 41:38
  and
• 41:38
  I'm
• 41:38
  going
• 41:38
  to
• 41:38
  yes.
• 41:38
  And
• 41:39
  this
• 41:39
  a
• 41:39
  little
• 41:40
  bit
• 41:40
  because
• 41:40
  it's
• 41:41
  not
• 41:41
  just
• 41:41
  that
• 41:41
  like,
• 41:41
  maybe
• 41:42
  you're
• 41:42
  interacting
• 41:42
  with
• 41:43
  a
• 41:43
  nefarious
• 41:44
  contract,
• 41:45
  but
• 41:45
  there
• 41:45
  was
• 41:46
  like
• 41:46
  a
• 41:46
  pretty
• 41:47
  famous
• 41:47
  hack
• 41:48
  recently
• 41:48
  where
• 41:49
  they
• 41:49
  were
• 41:49
  able
• 41:49
  to
• 41:50
  drain
• 41:50
  like,
• 41:51
  I
• 41:51
  think,
• 41:51
  billions
• 41:52
  of
• 41:52
  dollars.
• 41:52
  And
• 41:53
  it
• 41:53
  was
• 41:53
  basically
• 41:53
  due
• 41:54
  to
• 41:54
  like
• 41:54
  a
• 41:55
  rounding
• 41:56
  issue
• 41:56
  where
• 41:57
  they
• 41:57
  were
• 41:57
  able
• 41:57
  to
• 41:58
  like
• 41:58
  push
• 41:58
  in
• 41:59
  like
• 41:59
  millions
• 41:59
  of
• 41:59
  transactions
• 42:00
  at
• 42:00
  once.
• 42:01
  And
• 42:01
  like
• 42:01
  there
• 42:01
  was
• 42:02
  nothing
• 42:02
  nefarious
• 42:02
  in
• 42:03
  the
• 42:03
  code.
• 42:03
  It
• 42:04
  was
• 42:04
  just
• 42:05
  they
• 42:05
  caused
• 42:06
  this
• 42:06
  bug
• 42:07
  from
• 42:07
  overflow
• 42:08
  or
• 42:08
  an
• 42:08
  underflow
• 42:09
  from
• 42:09
  executing
• 42:10
  the
• 42:10
  same
• 42:10
  function
• 42:11
  millions
• 42:11
  of
• 42:11
  times
• 42:11
  and
• 42:12
  within
• 42:12
  one
• 42:13
  second
• 42:13
  that
• 42:13
  allowed
• 42:13
  them
• 42:14
  to
• 42:14
  completely
• 42:14
  drain
• 42:15
  the
• 42:15
  protocol.
• 42:16
  So
• 42:16
  not
• 42:17
  only
• 42:17
  do
• 42:17
  you
• 42:17
  need
• 42:17
  to
• 42:17
  understand
• 42:18
  what's
• 42:19
  happening
• 42:19
  in
• 42:19
  the
• 42:19
  protocol,
• 42:19
  but
• 42:20
  there's
• 42:20
  all
• 42:20
  these
• 42:20
  other
• 42:21
  factors
• 42:21
  that
• 42:21
  can
• 42:21
  make
• 42:22
  things
• 42:22
  dangerous
• 42:22
  where
• 42:23
  AI
• 42:23
  is
• 42:24
  writing
• 42:24
  the
• 42:24
  code
• 42:24
  and
• 42:24
  reading
• 42:25
  the
• 42:25
  code
• 42:25
  and
• 42:25
  can
• 42:26
  figure
• 42:26
  out
• 42:26
  these
• 42:26
  entirely
• 42:27
  new
• 42:27
  ways
• 42:27
  to
• 42:28
  break
• 42:28
  trust
• 42:28
  and
• 42:29
  break
• 42:29
  your
• 42:30
  protocol.
• 42:31
  So
• 42:31
  is
• 42:31
  one
• 42:32
  way
• 42:32
  to
• 42:32
  think
• 42:32
  about
• 42:33
  what
• 42:33
  you're
• 42:33
  doing?
• 42:34
  I
• 42:34
  don't
• 42:34
  know
• 42:34
  if
• 42:34
  this
• 42:35
  is
• 42:35
  gonna
• 42:35
  be
• 42:35
  the
• 42:35
  right
• 42:35
  term,
• 42:35
  but
• 42:36
  almost
• 42:36
  like
• 42:36
  a
• 42:36
  new
• 42:36
  type
• 42:37
  of
• 42:37
  cyber
• 42:38
  security
• 42:39
  or,
• 42:39
  or
• 42:39
  financial
• 42:40
  security
• 42:41
  of
• 42:41
  like
• 42:41
  now
• 42:42
  the
• 42:42
  risk
• 42:42
  is
• 42:43
  in
• 42:44
  models
• 42:45
  being
• 42:45
  able
• 42:45
  to
• 42:46
  exploit
• 42:47
  or
• 42:47
  find
• 42:48
  loopholes
• 42:48
  and,
• 42:48
  or
• 42:48
  human
• 42:49
  beings
• 42:49
  using
• 42:50
  models
• 42:50
  to
• 42:50
  find
• 42:51
  ways
• 42:51
  to
• 42:51
  exploit
• 42:52
  things.
• 42:52
  So
• 42:52
  on
• 42:53
  the
• 42:53
  same
• 42:53
  token,
• 42:53
  on
• 42:53
  the
• 42:54
  other
• 42:54
  side,
• 42:54
  you
• 42:54
  need
• 42:54
  to
• 42:55
  have
• 42:55
  a
• 42:55
  nuanced
• 42:56
  ways
• 42:56
  of
• 42:56
  using
• 42:56
  models
• 42:57
  to
• 42:57
  find
• 42:58
  expose
• 42:58
  vulnerabilities.
• 43:00
  I
• 43:00
  think
• 43:00
  that's
• 43:01
  true.
• 43:01
  It's
• 43:02
  not
• 43:02
  the
• 43:02
  specific
• 43:03
  space
• 43:03
  we're
• 43:04
  playing
• 43:04
  in.
• 43:04
  We're
• 43:04
  not
• 43:05
  like
• 43:05
  targeting
• 43:05
  being
• 43:06
  a
• 43:06
  security
• 43:07
  group,
• 43:07
  but
• 43:08
  that's
• 43:09
  definitely
• 43:09
  happening.
• 43:10
  And
• 43:10
  there
• 43:10
  are
• 43:10
  definitely
• 43:11
  people
• 43:11
  who
• 43:11
  are
• 43:11
  going
• 43:11
  to
• 43:11
  make
• 43:11
  a
• 43:11
  lot
• 43:11
  of
• 43:12
  money
• 43:12
  doing
• 43:12
  that.
• 43:13
  I
• 43:13
  think
• 43:13
  we're
• 43:14
  not
• 43:14
  specifically
• 43:14
  going
• 43:15
  after.
• 43:15
  That
• 43:15
  market,
• 43:15
  Becca,
• 43:16
  to
• 43:16
  kind
• 43:16
  of
• 43:16
  Give
• 43:16
  you,
• 43:17
  like,
• 43:17
  more
• 43:17
  color
• 43:17
  into
• 43:17
  this.
• 43:18
  Like,
• 43:18
  there
• 43:18
  are
• 43:18
  websites
• 43:19
  that
• 43:19
  will
• 43:19
  tell
• 43:19
  you.
• 43:20
  Like,
• 43:20
  for
• 43:20
  example,
• 43:21
  I've
• 43:21
  run
• 43:21
  into
• 43:21
  this
• 43:21
  a
• 43:22
  bunch
• 43:22
  of
• 43:22
  times
• 43:22
  where,
• 43:22
  like,
• 43:22
  a
• 43:23
  token,
• 43:23
  a
• 43:23
  new
• 43:23
  token
• 43:24
  is
• 43:24
  created
• 43:24
  in
• 43:24
  the
• 43:25
  past
• 43:25
  48
• 43:26
  hours,
• 43:26
  and
• 43:27
  it's
• 43:27
  gone
• 43:27
  up
• 43:28
  100%
• 43:29
  in
• 43:29
  the
• 43:29
  past
• 43:30
  hour
• 43:30
  and
• 43:30
  a
• 43:30
  half.
• 43:31
  And,
• 43:31
  like,
• 43:32
  over
• 43:32
  the
• 43:32
  past
• 43:32
  day,
• 43:33
  it's
• 43:33
  just,
• 43:33
  like,
• 43:33
  generally
• 43:34
  been
• 43:34
  up
• 43:34
  and
• 43:34
  to
• 43:34
  the
• 43:34
  right.
• 43:35
  And
• 43:36
  those
• 43:36
  websites,
• 43:37
  because
• 43:37
  they
• 43:38
  can
• 43:38
  only
• 43:38
  tell
• 43:39
  you
• 43:39
  it
• 43:39
  takes
• 43:40
  time
• 43:40
  for
• 43:40
  them
• 43:40
  to
• 43:40
  do
• 43:41
  their
• 43:41
  analytics,
• 43:41
  first
• 43:42
  of
• 43:42
  all.
• 43:42
  And
• 43:42
  second
• 43:43
  of
• 43:43
  all,
• 43:43
  a
• 43:43
  lot
• 43:43
  of
• 43:44
  it
• 43:44
  is
• 43:44
  built
• 43:44
  on
• 43:44
  community
• 43:45
  trust.
• 43:45
  So
• 43:46
  if
• 43:46
  something
• 43:46
  is
• 43:46
  new,
• 43:47
  it
• 43:47
  hasn't
• 43:47
  established
• 43:48
  the
• 43:48
  time
• 43:48
  to,
• 43:48
  like,
• 43:49
  understand
• 43:49
  the
• 43:50
  red
• 43:50
  flag
• 43:50
  behind
• 43:51
  the
• 43:51
  token.
• 43:51
  You
• 43:51
  don't
• 43:51
  know
• 43:51
  who
• 43:51
  wrote
• 43:52
  it.
• 43:52
  Yeah,
• 43:52
  yeah,
• 43:52
  exactly.
• 43:53
  And
• 43:53
  so
• 43:54
  then
• 43:54
  as
• 43:54
  like
• 43:54
  a
• 43:55
  day
• 43:55
  trader,
• 43:55
  you're
• 43:56
  making
• 43:56
  a
• 43:56
  decision,
• 43:56
  like,
• 43:57
  how
• 43:57
  risky
• 43:58
  do
• 43:58
  I
• 43:58
  feel
• 43:58
  like
• 43:58
  being
• 43:59
  right
• 43:59
  now
• 43:59
  of,
• 43:59
  like,
• 44:00
  this
• 44:00
  token?
• 44:00
  It's
• 44:01
  going
• 44:01
  up
• 44:01
  into
• 44:01
  the
• 44:01
  right,
• 44:02
  but
• 44:02
  really
• 44:02
  it's
• 44:03
  a
• 44:03
  rug
• 44:03
  pull.
• 44:03
  And
• 44:04
  it's
• 44:04
  like,
• 44:04
  hard
• 44:05
  to
• 44:05
  tell
• 44:05
  because
• 44:06
  I'm
• 44:07
  not
• 44:07
  reading
• 44:07
  the
• 44:07
  entire
• 44:07
  contract.
• 44:08
  I
• 44:08
  don't
• 44:08
  know
• 44:08
  everything
• 44:08
  that's
• 44:09
  going
• 44:09
  on.
• 44:09
  And
• 44:09
  so
• 44:10
  I
• 44:10
  think
• 44:10
  stuff
• 44:11
  like
• 44:11
  that
• 44:11
  is
• 44:11
  pretty
• 44:11
  valuable.
• 44:12
  Yeah,
• 44:12
  yeah.
• 44:12
  The
• 44:13
  next
• 44:13
  time
• 44:13
  you
• 44:13
  see
• 44:13
  one
• 44:13
  of
• 44:13
  those,
• 44:14
  or
• 44:14
  like,
• 44:14
  we
• 44:14
  can
• 44:14
  just
• 44:15
  go
• 44:15
  through
• 44:15
  your
• 44:15
  portfolio
• 44:16
  now
• 44:16
  and
• 44:16
  run
• 44:17
  it
• 44:17
  through
• 44:17
  HERD
• 44:17
  and
• 44:18
  ask
• 44:18
  questions
• 44:18
  about
• 44:18
  it
• 44:19
  and
• 44:19
  try
• 44:19
  to
• 44:19
  understand
• 44:19
  if
• 44:20
  there
• 44:20
  are
• 44:20
  any
• 44:20
  gaps
• 44:20
  or
• 44:20
  things
• 44:21
  that
• 44:21
  are
• 44:21
  missing.
• 44:21
  What
• 44:21
  is
• 44:22
  the
• 44:22
  most
• 44:22
  most
• 44:22
  interesting
• 44:23
  or
• 44:23
  energizing
• 44:24
  or,
• 44:24
  like,
• 44:24
  fun
• 44:24
  part
• 44:25
  about
• 44:25
  working
• 44:26
  in
• 44:27
  this
• 44:27
  space
• 44:27
  on
• 44:28
  this
• 44:28
  particular
• 44:28
  type
• 44:29
  of
• 44:29
  problem
• 44:29
  now
• 44:30
  given,
• 44:30
  like,
• 44:30
  especially
• 44:31
  your
• 44:31
  extensive
• 44:32
  background
• 44:33
  across
• 44:34
  different
• 44:34
  fields.
• 44:35
  So
• 44:36
  when
• 44:36
  I
• 44:36
  was
• 44:36
  at
• 44:36
  Dune,
• 44:37
  I
• 44:37
  was
• 44:37
  primarily
• 44:38
  working
• 44:38
  on
• 44:39
  our,
• 44:39
  like,
• 44:39
  community
• 44:40
  data
• 44:40
  pipeline
• 44:41
  and
• 44:41
  Spellbook.
• 44:41
  And
• 44:42
  then
• 44:42
  basically
• 44:43
  different
• 44:43
  analysts
• 44:43
  across
• 44:44
  the
• 44:44
  crypto
• 44:44
  industry
• 44:44
  could,
• 44:45
  like,
• 44:45
  come
• 44:45
  and
• 44:45
  work
• 44:45
  on
• 44:46
  share
• 44:46
  tables
• 44:47
  that
• 44:47
  they
• 44:47
  could
• 44:47
  do
• 44:47
  their
• 44:48
  work
• 44:48
  on.
• 44:48
  And
• 44:49
  then
• 44:49
  I
• 44:49
  worked
• 44:49
  a
• 44:49
  lot
• 44:50
  on
• 44:50
  natural
• 44:51
  language
• 44:51
  to
• 44:51
  SQL
• 44:51
  tools
• 44:52
  and
• 44:52
  visualizer
• 44:52
  tools
• 44:53
  and,
• 44:53
  like,
• 44:53
  things
• 44:54
  that
• 44:54
  were
• 44:54
  still
• 44:54
  kind
• 44:54
  of
• 44:54
  in
• 44:54
  the
• 44:55
  wheelhouse
• 44:55
  of
• 44:55
  building
• 44:56
  stuff
• 44:56
  for
• 44:56
  data
• 44:56
  scientists
• 44:57
  rather
• 44:57
  than
• 44:57
  building
• 44:58
  stuff
• 44:58
  for
• 44:59
  decentralized
• 44:59
  finance
• 45:00
  people,
• 45:00
  like
• 45:01
  writing
• 45:01
  solidity.
• 45:02
  So
• 45:02
  the
• 45:02
  most
• 45:02
  energizing
• 45:03
  thing
• 45:03
  for
• 45:03
  me
• 45:03
  has
• 45:04
  been
• 45:04
  figuring
• 45:04
  out
• 45:04
  how
• 45:04
  to,
• 45:05
  like,
• 45:05
  work
• 45:05
  with
• 45:05
  these
• 45:06
  protocols.
• 45:06
  Like,
• 45:06
  I
• 45:07
  did
• 45:07
  a
• 45:07
  bunch
• 45:07
  of
• 45:07
  stuff,
• 45:07
  figure
• 45:08
  out
• 45:08
  how
• 45:08
  to,
• 45:08
  like,
• 45:08
  launch
• 45:09
  someone's
• 45:09
  new,
• 45:10
  like,
• 45:10
  trading
• 45:11
  protocol,
• 45:12
  understand
• 45:12
  what
• 45:12
  was
• 45:13
  happening
• 45:13
  in
• 45:13
  that.
• 45:13
  Because
• 45:13
  I
• 45:14
  wasn't
• 45:14
  actually
• 45:14
  that
• 45:15
  deep
• 45:15
  in
• 45:15
  the
• 45:15
  solidity
• 45:16
  and
• 45:16
  understanding
• 45:17
  what
• 45:17
  was
• 45:17
  going
• 45:17
  on
• 45:18
  there.
• 45:18
  So
• 45:18
  that's
• 45:19
  been
• 45:19
  very
• 45:19
  energizing
• 45:20
  to
• 45:20
  me.
• 45:20
  I
• 45:20
  think
• 45:21
  benchmarking
• 45:21
  is
• 45:21
  always
• 45:21
  really
• 45:22
  energizing
• 45:22
  to
• 45:22
  me.
• 45:23
  Like,
• 45:23
  just
• 45:23
  writing
• 45:23
  out,
• 45:23
  like,
• 45:24
  here
• 45:24
  are
• 45:24
  the
• 45:24
  things
• 45:24
  that
• 45:24
  I
• 45:24
  want
• 45:25
  this
• 45:25
  agent
• 45:25
  to
• 45:25
  be
• 45:25
  able
• 45:25
  to
• 45:26
  do,
• 45:26
  and
• 45:26
  how
• 45:26
  can
• 45:27
  I,
• 45:27
  like,
• 45:27
  empirically
• 45:28
  know
• 45:28
  that
• 45:28
  it
• 45:28
  is
• 45:28
  getting
• 45:29
  better
• 45:29
  over
• 45:29
  time.
• 45:30
  And
• 45:30
  then
• 45:30
  the
• 45:31
  other
• 45:31
  things
• 45:31
  that
• 45:31
  are
• 45:31
  really
• 45:31
  energizing
• 45:32
  to
• 45:32
  me
• 45:32
  are
• 45:32
  like
• 45:33
  thinking
• 45:33
  about
• 45:33
  these
• 45:33
  go
• 45:33
  to
• 45:34
  market
• 45:34
  product
• 45:34
  questions.
• 45:35
  Because
• 45:36
  I
• 45:36
  think
• 45:36
  as
• 45:36
  like
• 45:36
  a
• 45:37
  very
• 45:37
  technical
• 45:37
  person,
• 45:38
  like
• 45:38
  being
• 45:38
  in
• 45:39
  machine
• 45:39
  learning
• 45:39
  and
• 45:39
  programming,
• 45:41
  it's
• 45:41
  like
• 45:41
  too
• 45:41
  expensive
• 45:42
  to
• 45:42
  let
• 45:42
  me
• 45:43
  go
• 45:43
  work
• 45:43
  on
• 45:44
  marketing
• 45:44
  or
• 45:44
  let
• 45:45
  me
• 45:45
  go
• 45:45
  talk
• 45:45
  to
• 45:46
  customers,
• 45:46
  or
• 45:46
  let
• 45:47
  me
• 45:47
  go
• 45:47
  think
• 45:47
  about
• 45:48
  product.
• 45:48
  And
• 45:49
  like,
• 45:49
  being
• 45:49
  at
• 45:49
  such
• 45:49
  a
• 45:49
  small
• 45:50
  company,
• 45:50
  it
• 45:50
  does
• 45:50
  allow
• 45:51
  me
• 45:51
  to
• 45:51
  go
• 45:51
  do
• 45:51
  those
• 45:52
  for
• 45:52
  the
• 45:52
  first
• 45:52
  time
• 45:52
  in
• 45:53
  my
• 45:53
  career.
• 45:53
  So
• 45:53
  those
• 45:54
  are
• 45:54
  the
• 45:54
  exciting
• 45:54
  things.
• 45:55
  Too
• 45:55
  expensive
• 45:56
  meaning
• 45:56
  too
• 45:57
  expensive.
• 45:57
  And
• 45:57
  that,
• 45:58
  like,
• 45:58
  my
• 45:58
  salary
• 45:58
  is
• 45:59
  too
• 45:59
  high,
• 45:59
  so
• 45:59
  you
• 46:00
  can't
• 46:00
  send
• 46:00
  me
• 46:00
  out
• 46:00
  to
• 46:01
  a
• 46:01
  conference
• 46:01
  to
• 46:01
  go
• 46:01
  talk
• 46:02
  to
• 46:02
  people
• 46:02
  when
• 46:02
  I
• 46:02
  should.
• 46:03
  Like
• 46:03
  writing
• 46:03
  a
• 46:03
  machine
• 46:04
  learning.
• 46:04
  Got
• 46:04
  it.
• 46:04
  Got
• 46:04
  it.
• 46:05
  Of
• 46:05
  the
• 46:05
  stuff
• 46:05
  that
• 46:05
  you've
• 46:06
  been
• 46:06
  working
• 46:06
  on,
• 46:06
  like,
• 46:07
  what
• 46:07
  was
• 46:08
  a
• 46:08
  lot
• 46:08
  easier
• 46:08
  than
• 46:08
  you
• 46:09
  thought
• 46:09
  it
• 46:09
  would
• 46:09
  be?
• 46:09
  And
• 46:10
  also
• 46:11
  what
• 46:11
  has
• 46:11
  been
• 46:12
  more
• 46:12
  difficult
• 46:12
  than
• 46:12
  you
• 46:13
  thought?
• 46:13
  I
• 46:15
  underestimated
• 46:15
  the
• 46:16
  scale
• 46:16
  of
• 46:17
  some
• 46:17
  of
• 46:17
  the
• 46:17
  traces
• 46:19
  in
• 46:19
  the
• 46:19
  crypto
• 46:20
  space.
• 46:20
  So
• 46:21
  you
• 46:21
  get
• 46:21
  these
• 46:22
  very
• 46:22
  complex
• 46:22
  transactions
• 46:23
  that
• 46:23
  are
• 46:23
  touching
• 46:25
  10
• 46:25
  different
• 46:25
  contracts.
• 46:26
  And
• 46:27
  we
• 46:28
  initially
• 46:29
  were
• 46:29
  like,
• 46:29
  oh,
• 46:29
  we
• 46:29
  just
• 46:30
  want
• 46:30
  to
• 46:30
  do
• 46:30
  some
• 46:30
  semantic
• 46:31
  search
• 46:32
  over
• 46:32
  this
• 46:32
  and
• 46:33
  kind
• 46:33
  of
• 46:33
  like
• 46:33
  handed
• 46:34
  this
• 46:34
  search
• 46:34
  task
• 46:35
  over
• 46:35
  to
• 46:35
  another
• 46:35
  engineer.
• 46:36
  And
• 46:36
  we
• 46:37
  were
• 46:37
  spending
• 46:37
  like
• 46:38
  a
• 46:38
  dollar
• 46:38
  to
• 46:39
  $3
• 46:39
  for
• 46:40
  embeddings
• 46:40
  for
• 46:41
  each
• 46:41
  trace.
• 46:42
  Like,
• 46:42
  the
• 46:42
  traces
• 46:43
  are
• 46:43
  just
• 46:43
  so
• 46:43
  much
• 46:44
  bigger
• 46:44
  than
• 46:45
  I
• 46:45
  expected.
• 46:46
  A
• 46:46
  lot
• 46:46
  of
• 46:46
  the,
• 46:46
  like,
• 46:46
  kind
• 46:47
  of
• 46:47
  regular
• 46:47
  tricks
• 46:48
  for
• 46:48
  like
• 46:48
  doing
• 46:48
  semantic
• 46:49
  search
• 46:49
  just
• 46:49
  didn't
• 46:50
  work.
• 46:50
  Whereas,
• 46:50
  like,
• 46:51
  you
• 46:51
  think
• 46:51
  about
• 46:51
  like
• 46:51
  the
• 46:52
  trace
• 46:52
  for
• 46:52
  like
• 46:52
  buying
• 46:52
  a
• 46:53
  new
• 46:53
  token
• 46:53
  or
• 46:53
  transferring
• 46:54
  a
• 46:54
  token,
• 46:54
  they're
• 46:54
  quite
• 46:54
  small.
• 46:55
  People
• 46:55
  are
• 46:56
  doing
• 46:56
  way
• 46:56
  crazier
• 46:56
  stuff
• 46:57
  on
• 46:57
  chain
• 46:57
  than
• 46:58
  I
• 46:58
  had
• 46:58
  thought
• 46:58
  about.
• 46:59
  So
• 46:59
  that
• 46:59
  was
• 46:59
  harder
• 47:00
  than
• 47:00
  I
• 47:00
  expected.
• 47:00
  The
• 47:01
  things
• 47:01
  that
• 47:01
  are
• 47:01
  easier
• 47:01
  is
• 47:02
  like,
• 47:02
  AI
• 47:02
  coding
• 47:02
  tools
• 47:03
  have
• 47:03
  just
• 47:03
  gotten
• 47:04
  so
• 47:04
  much
• 47:04
  better
• 47:05
  and
• 47:05
  like
• 47:05
  every
• 47:05
  like
• 47:06
  month
• 47:06
  there's
• 47:06
  like
• 47:06
  a
• 47:07
  new
• 47:07
  model
• 47:08
  that
• 47:08
  comes
• 47:08
  out.
• 47:08
  So
• 47:09
  like,
• 47:09
  the
• 47:09
  job
• 47:09
  itself
• 47:10
  has
• 47:10
  gotten
• 47:10
  a
• 47:11
  lot
• 47:11
  easier
• 47:11
  because
• 47:11
  it's
• 47:12
  very
• 47:12
  easy
• 47:12
  to
• 47:12
  onboard
• 47:13
  to
• 47:13
  a
• 47:13
  new
• 47:14
  repo
• 47:15
  and
• 47:15
  a
• 47:15
  new
• 47:15
  tool
• 47:16
  and
• 47:16
  understand
• 47:16
  what's
• 47:17
  going
• 47:17
  on.
• 47:17
  Something
• 47:18
  that's
• 47:18
  gotten
• 47:18
  harder
• 47:19
  for
• 47:19
  me
• 47:19
  is
• 47:19
  I
• 47:19
  feel
• 47:20
  like
• 47:20
  I've
• 47:20
  become
• 47:20
  like
• 47:20
  a
• 47:21
  middle
• 47:21
  manager
• 47:21
  for
• 47:22
  like
• 47:22
  AI
• 47:23
  agents.
• 47:23
  And
• 47:24
  that
• 47:24
  doesn't
• 47:24
  feel
• 47:25
  great.
• 47:25
  Like
• 47:26
  you
• 47:26
  kind
• 47:26
  of
• 47:26
  thought
• 47:26
  you
• 47:26
  were
• 47:26
  like
• 47:27
  going
• 47:27
  to
• 47:27
  move
• 47:27
  up
• 47:27
  in
• 47:27
  your
• 47:27
  career
• 47:28
  and
• 47:28
  like
• 47:28
  manage
• 47:28
  people
• 47:29
  and
• 47:29
  like,
• 47:29
  it's
• 47:29
  going
• 47:29
  to
• 47:29
  be
• 47:30
  about
• 47:30
  like
• 47:30
  your
• 47:30
  relationships
• 47:31
  with
• 47:31
  these
• 47:31
  people.
• 47:31
  But
• 47:32
  now
• 47:32
  you
• 47:32
  don't
• 47:32
  even
• 47:32
  really
• 47:33
  have
• 47:33
  that.
• 47:33
  You're
• 47:33
  just
• 47:33
  kind
• 47:34
  of
• 47:34
  checking
• 47:34
  in
• 47:34
  on
• 47:34
  these
• 47:34
  agents
• 47:35
  and
• 47:35
  like
• 47:36
  telling
• 47:36
  them
• 47:36
  to
• 47:37
  do
• 47:37
  better
• 47:37
  next
• 47:37
  time
• 47:37
  when
• 47:38
  they
• 47:38
  like
• 47:38
  make
• 47:38
  a
• 47:38
  mistake.
• 47:39
  And
• 47:39
  you're,
• 47:40
  you're
• 47:40
  saying
• 47:40
  that's
• 47:40
  because
• 47:40
  essentially
• 47:41
  a
• 47:41
  lot
• 47:41
  of
• 47:41
  the
• 47:41
  Work
• 47:41
  that
• 47:42
  previously
• 47:42
  you
• 47:42
  would
• 47:43
  delegate
• 47:43
  to,
• 47:43
  like,
• 47:43
  maybe
• 47:44
  more
• 47:44
  junior
• 47:44
  engineers,
• 47:45
  you're
• 47:46
  now
• 47:46
  just
• 47:46
  delegating
• 47:47
  to
• 47:47
  coding
• 47:48
  agents.
• 47:49
  Right,
• 47:49
  Right.
• 47:49
  You're
• 47:50
  just
• 47:50
  a
• 47:50
  manager
• 47:50
  for
• 47:51
  coding
• 47:51
  agents
• 47:51
  now,
• 47:52
  which
• 47:52
  I
• 47:52
  think
• 47:52
  is,
• 47:52
  like,
• 47:53
  kind
• 47:53
  of
• 47:54
  hard
• 47:54
  to
• 47:55
  emotionally
• 47:56
  accept
• 47:56
  for
• 47:56
  me.
• 47:57
  That's
• 47:57
  a
• 47:58
  really
• 47:58
  interesting
• 47:58
  take,
• 47:59
  because
• 47:59
  the
• 48:00
  vast
• 48:01
  majority
• 48:01
  of
• 48:01
  conversations
• 48:03
  I
• 48:03
  think
• 48:03
  probably
• 48:04
  both
• 48:04
  Sarah
• 48:04
  and
• 48:04
  I
• 48:05
  have
• 48:05
  had,
• 48:05
  at
• 48:05
  least
• 48:05
  collectively
• 48:06
  together
• 48:07
  with
• 48:07
  people
• 48:07
  about
• 48:08
  using
• 48:09
  coding
• 48:10
  agents
• 48:10
  or
• 48:10
  any
• 48:10
  type
• 48:11
  of
• 48:11
  generative
• 48:11
  coding
• 48:12
  tools
• 48:12
  has
• 48:13
  largely
• 48:13
  been
• 48:13
  around
• 48:13
  productivity.
• 48:14
  And
• 48:15
  we
• 48:15
  haven't
• 48:15
  discussed
• 48:16
  the
• 48:16
  human
• 48:17
  aspect
• 48:18
  of,
• 48:18
  like,
• 48:18
  how
• 48:19
  that
• 48:19
  changes
• 48:19
  one's
• 48:20
  job.
• 48:20
  Like,
• 48:21
  there's
• 48:21
  been
• 48:21
  so
• 48:21
  much
• 48:21
  focus
• 48:21
  on,
• 48:22
  oh,
• 48:22
  one
• 48:22
  person
• 48:22
  can
• 48:23
  do
• 48:23
  so
• 48:23
  much
• 48:23
  more
• 48:23
  faster.
• 48:24
  Because
• 48:24
  you
• 48:24
  think
• 48:24
  of.
• 48:25
  I'm
• 48:25
  picturing
• 48:26
  you
• 48:26
  as
• 48:26
  like,
• 48:26
  an
• 48:26
  octopus
• 48:27
  with
• 48:27
  now,
• 48:27
  like,
• 48:27
  eight
• 48:28
  different
• 48:28
  arms
• 48:28
  doing
• 48:29
  things
• 48:29
  and,
• 48:29
  like,
• 48:29
  reporting
• 48:30
  back
• 48:30
  to
• 48:30
  you.
• 48:31
  But
• 48:31
  if
• 48:31
  you
• 48:31
  are
• 48:32
  someone
• 48:32
  who
• 48:33
  really
• 48:33
  enjoys
• 48:34
  working
• 48:34
  with
• 48:34
  people
• 48:35
  and
• 48:35
  teaching
• 48:36
  people
• 48:36
  and,
• 48:36
  like,
• 48:37
  helping
• 48:37
  to
• 48:37
  train
• 48:38
  and
• 48:38
  teach
• 48:38
  the
• 48:38
  next
• 48:39
  generation
• 48:39
  of
• 48:39
  great
• 48:40
  engineers,
• 48:41
  like.
• 48:41
  Or
• 48:41
  just
• 48:42
  learn
• 48:42
  from
• 48:42
  your
• 48:43
  colleagues.
• 48:43
  Yeah,
• 48:44
  we're
• 48:44
  not
• 48:44
  gonna
• 48:44
  have
• 48:45
  colleagues
• 48:45
  anymore.
• 48:45
  We're
• 48:46
  not
• 48:46
  gonna
• 48:46
  have
• 48:46
  interns
• 48:47
  anymore.
• 48:47
  Or,
• 48:47
  like,
• 48:48
  nice
• 48:49
  to
• 48:49
  just,
• 48:49
  like,
• 48:49
  get
• 48:49
  a
• 48:49
  cup
• 48:50
  of
• 48:50
  coffee
• 48:50
  and
• 48:50
  talk
• 48:50
  about
• 48:51
  what
• 48:51
  you're
• 48:51
  working
• 48:52
  on.
• 48:52
  Yeah.
• 48:53
  You're
• 48:53
  not
• 48:53
  taking
• 48:53
  Claude
• 48:54
  out
• 48:54
  for
• 48:54
  coffee
• 48:55
  to
• 48:55
  talk
• 48:55
  about
• 48:55
  next
• 48:56
  orders,
• 48:56
  roadmap.
• 48:57
  Well,
• 48:58
  speak
• 48:59
  for
• 48:59
  yourself.
• 49:01
  Also,
• 49:01
  I
• 49:01
  would
• 49:01
  like
• 49:01
  to
• 49:02
  invite
• 49:02
  you
• 49:02
  to
• 49:03
  hang
• 49:04
  out
• 49:04
  with
• 49:04
  Sarah
• 49:04
  and
• 49:04
  I
• 49:05
  anytime
• 49:05
  and
• 49:06
  talk
• 49:06
  about,
• 49:07
  with
• 49:07
  over
• 49:07
  coffee
• 49:08
  about
• 49:08
  what
• 49:08
  we're
• 49:08
  working
• 49:09
  on.
• 49:09
  We're
• 49:09
  happy
• 49:09
  to
• 49:09
  be
• 49:09
  your
• 49:10
  fake
• 49:10
  co
• 49:10
  workers.
• 49:11
  Honestly,
• 49:11
  I
• 49:12
  feel
• 49:12
  like
• 49:12
  Sarah
• 49:12
  and
• 49:13
  I
• 49:13
  kind
• 49:13
  of,
• 49:13
  in
• 49:14
  some
• 49:14
  ways,
• 49:15
  provide
• 49:15
  that
• 49:15
  role
• 49:15
  a
• 49:16
  little
• 49:16
  for
• 49:16
  each
• 49:16
  other.
• 49:17
  I
• 49:17
  technically
• 49:17
  have
• 49:17
  a
• 49:17
  coworker,
• 49:18
  but
• 49:18
  it's
• 49:18
  just
• 49:18
  two
• 49:19
  of
• 49:19
  us,
• 49:19
  and
• 49:20
  I
• 49:20
  work
• 49:20
  remotely
• 49:21
  the
• 49:22
  vast
• 49:22
  majority
• 49:22
  of
• 49:22
  the
• 49:22
  time,
• 49:23
  so
• 49:23
  I
• 49:23
  totally
• 49:23
  feel
• 49:24
  that.
• 49:24
  And
• 49:24
  sometimes
• 49:25
  you
• 49:25
  just
• 49:25
  want
• 49:25
  to
• 49:25
  be
• 49:25
  like,
• 49:26
  hey,
• 49:26
  I
• 49:26
  just,
• 49:26
  like,
• 49:27
  made
• 49:27
  this
• 49:27
  cool
• 49:27
  thing.
• 49:27
  Can
• 49:27
  I
• 49:28
  show
• 49:28
  someone?
• 49:29
  One
• 49:29
  of
• 49:29
  my
• 49:29
  gripes
• 49:30
  is,
• 49:30
  like,
• 49:30
  I
• 49:31
  really
• 49:31
  want,
• 49:32
  like,
• 49:32
  a
• 49:32
  job
• 49:32
  I
• 49:33
  use
• 49:33
  my
• 49:33
  hands
• 49:34
  at.
• 49:34
  And
• 49:35
  that
• 49:36
  doesn't
• 49:36
  seem
• 49:36
  to
• 49:37
  be,
• 49:37
  like,
• 49:37
  a
• 49:37
  thing
• 49:37
  at
• 49:38
  all
• 49:38
  anymore.
• 49:38
  Especially
• 49:39
  not
• 49:39
  a
• 49:40
  job
• 49:40
  you
• 49:41
  can
• 49:41
  do
• 49:41
  stuff
• 49:41
  with
• 49:41
  your
• 49:41
  hands
• 49:42
  at
• 49:42
  and
• 49:42
  make
• 49:42
  enough
• 49:42
  money
• 49:43
  for
• 49:43
  your
• 49:43
  family.
• 49:43
  Like,
• 49:44
  I'm
• 49:44
  a
• 49:44
  mother
• 49:44
  of
• 49:44
  two.
• 49:45
  Like,
• 49:45
  I
• 49:45
  live
• 49:46
  in
• 49:46
  Brooklyn.
• 49:46
  I
• 49:47
  need
• 49:47
  money.
• 49:47
  I
• 49:47
  can't
• 49:48
  just,
• 49:48
  like,
• 49:48
  make
• 49:49
  colored
• 49:49
  pencils
• 49:50
  at
• 49:50
  the
• 49:50
  colored
• 49:50
  pencil
• 49:50
  factory.
• 49:51
  You
• 49:52
  know,
• 49:52
  like,
• 49:52
  the
• 49:52
  jobs
• 49:53
  that
• 49:53
  pay
• 49:53
  money
• 49:53
  are
• 49:54
  not
• 49:54
  jobs
• 49:54
  with
• 49:54
  your
• 49:54
  hands,
• 49:55
  and
• 49:55
  that
• 49:55
  bums
• 49:55
  me
• 49:55
  out.
• 49:56
  I
• 49:56
  love
• 49:56
  that
• 49:56
  the
• 49:56
  jobs
• 49:57
  that
• 49:57
  pay
• 49:57
  money
• 49:57
  are
• 49:57
  not
• 49:58
  jobs
• 49:58
  with
• 49:58
  your
• 49:58
  hands.
• 49:59
  That's
• 49:59
  a
• 50:00
  great
• 50:00
  gripe.
• 50:01
  I
• 50:01
  totally
• 50:02
  agree.
• 50:05
  Well,
• 50:05
  amazing.
• 50:06
  Thank
• 50:06
  you,
• 50:06
  Megan,
• 50:07
  for
• 50:07
  joining,
• 50:07
  talking
• 50:08
  to
• 50:08
  us
• 50:08
  about
• 50:08
  crypto
• 50:09
  and
• 50:09
  ML.
• 50:10
  Yeah,
• 50:10
  it
• 50:10
  was
• 50:10
  so
• 50:10
  wonderful
• 50:11
  to
• 50:11
  meet
• 50:11
  you.
• 50:11
  You're
• 50:12
  welcome
• 50:12
  back
• 50:12
  anytime.
• 50:13
  Amazing.
• 50:13
  Calling
• 50:14
  myself
• 50:14
  a
• 50:14
  friend
• 50:14
  of
• 50:14
  the
• 50:15
  show.
• 50:15
  Great.
• 50:16
  Official
• 50:16
  friend
• 50:16
  of
• 50:16
  the
• 50:16
  show.
• 50:17
  Official
• 50:17
  friend
• 50:18
  of
• 50:18
  the
• 50:18
  show.
• 50:21
  Sam.