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President Trump returns to discuss Operation Freedom and more · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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  Speaker 1: United States, President Trump, Welcome back. Always a pleasure to
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  Speaker 1: talk to. I was filling people in on the fact
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  Speaker 1: that you offered very nicely project freedom. The Iranians started
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  Speaker 1: firing off like issemite, sam at Uae and everybody. So
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  Speaker 1: I gather, are we at the beginning of the end
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  Speaker 1: of a new war? Are we starting over?
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  Speaker 2: Well, one way or the other we win. We either
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  Speaker 2: make the right deal or we win very easily. From
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  Speaker 2: the military standpoint, We've already won that. You know what,
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  Speaker 2: You've heard me say it a million times and other
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  Speaker 2: people say it. They had one hundred and fifty nine ships.
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  Speaker 2: You now they have none. They're all at the bottom
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  Speaker 2: of the sea. Today we took out eight of their
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  Speaker 2: you know what, They're reduced to these small little fast
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  Speaker 2: ships right, very cheap, and they attack a machine gun
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  Speaker 2: to it. They think that's good. We knocked out eight
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  Speaker 2: of them today and everyone that was available got knocked
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  Speaker 2: out very quickly and very very efficiently. And so we'll
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  Speaker 2: see what happens. I mean, it's hard to believe that
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  Speaker 2: they would do that.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: The one ship that was hit was and I haven't
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  Speaker 2: seen it in a little because I was with these
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  Speaker 2: small business owners of America for the last two hours.
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  Speaker 2: We were having a good time. They're doing fantastic. Everybody's
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  Speaker 2: doing fantastically, all businesses right now in the country, stock
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  Speaker 2: markets that are new height despite this. But I will
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  Speaker 2: say that one way or the other, we have one thing.
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  Speaker 2: They will never have a nuclear weapon.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm a surpresident. Do you've killed a lot of
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  Speaker 1: their leaders? Do you think you have to kill the
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  Speaker 1: D team as well? Because we're down to the D
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  Speaker 1: team or the or the E team or the X
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  Speaker 1: TAM I don't even know who's running the country. Do
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  Speaker 1: you have to wipe them out?
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's see what happens. I mean, they you know,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people aren't really looking for that job
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  Speaker 2: they have. We knocked out their first team, we knocked
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  Speaker 2: out their second team, we knocked out half of their
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  Speaker 2: third team. A lot of people are looking for that job,
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  Speaker 2: but I find them to be far superior than the
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  Speaker 2: first group. Okay, the first group was totally out of
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  Speaker 2: control and was doing the wrong thing for their country.
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  Speaker 2: But I think we'll see what happens. The one thing
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  Speaker 2: I will say is they talk a lot differently when
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  Speaker 2: they're talking to me than they talk when they're talking
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  Speaker 2: to the media or the television set. It's a lot different.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: The the propaganda is terrible. Now I'm talking to Ambassador Or.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're looking to do a job, and they get
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  Speaker 2: on television they say the exact opposite. You remember I
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  Speaker 2: was telling you that they want to make a deal,
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  Speaker 2: that they're talking, and they denied ever talking to me,
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  Speaker 2: And I say, what's going on over it? These guys. So
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  Speaker 2: they're pretty good at propaganda, I guess. But they have
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  Speaker 2: no navy, they have no air force, they have no
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  Speaker 2: anti aircraft, they have known nothing.
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  Speaker 1: And you've done a good job crushing I was talking
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  Speaker 1: with Ambassador Or and used to represent Israel the United States.
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  Speaker 1: I said, I'm gonna talk to the President. What do
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  Speaker 1: you want me to say to him? Said, tell them
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  Speaker 1: to finish the job. He'll be a world historical figure.
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  Speaker 1: He will be up there with the great if he
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  Speaker 1: takes out this regime. Do you see it that way?
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  Speaker 2: Well, A lot of people have said that, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of very smart people, a lot of semi moderate people
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  Speaker 2: have said that. Others would like to see a deal
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  Speaker 2: because you know, it's travesty when you do that, when
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  Speaker 2: you go that far, we've taken out much of what
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  Speaker 2: we'd have to do, probably another two weeks, two weeks,
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  Speaker 2: maybe three weeks, and time is not of the essence
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  Speaker 2: for us. You know, I'll say to you, is a
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  Speaker 2: very very highly respected guy. A lot of people think, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I want to do it for the midterms. I think
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  Speaker 2: you know, I made a speech the other day in
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  Speaker 2: front of great senior citizens, unbelievable thousands and thousands of them.
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  Speaker 2: And the thing that got the biggest and then I
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  Speaker 2: went to Cravis Center and said the same thing in
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  Speaker 2: Palm Beach, a different kind of a group of people,
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  Speaker 2: both of them. The thing that got the biggest hand,
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  Speaker 2: and you may have seen it on television, was when
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  Speaker 2: I said Iran will not have a nuclear weapon.
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  Speaker 1: That was big. Bigger was when you said these people
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  Speaker 1: are lunatics they are.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, I wanted to be nice. I actually said these
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  Speaker 2: lunatics will not have it. I wanted to be a
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  Speaker 2: little bit nice. I wanted to lean up my act
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  Speaker 2: a little bit. But I said, these lunatics will not
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  Speaker 2: have a nuclear Well, now I know you will watching.
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  Speaker 2: That's fair.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well that's who they are. I have got grandkids.
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  Speaker 1: I understand the stakes. These people cannot they're fanatics. They
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  Speaker 1: cannot have nuclear weapons. You think the country understands the stakes,
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  Speaker 1: mister President.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think they do, because you know, again, this
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  Speaker 2: was a pretty big sample. I'll bet we had thirty
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  Speaker 2: five forty thousand people outside of the room where I
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  Speaker 2: was speaking, where we had I guess it holds five
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  Speaker 2: or six thousand people. And then they had another room
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  Speaker 2: that was packed of equal size, and they had thousands
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  Speaker 2: of people outside. They all went crazy what I said?
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  Speaker 2: And now I said, no tax on tips. I said,
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  Speaker 2: no tax on social security for our seniors, no tax
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  Speaker 2: on overtime. And you know, that was great, but this
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  Speaker 2: blew it away. And then I see these fake that
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  Speaker 2: thirty two percent of the public wants, meaning a lot
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  Speaker 2: more don't want. And I think they probably the way
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  Speaker 2: they you know, I could ask this question a lot
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  Speaker 2: of different ways. But if you just said to protect
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  Speaker 2: our country, to protect the world, I mean, look, the
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  Speaker 2: Middle East, Israel in the Middle East would be wiped
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  Speaker 2: out within the first hour that they had it. And
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  Speaker 2: you know the Iran nuclear deal that was given to
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  Speaker 2: us by Barack Usain Obama, that was a shortcut to
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  Speaker 2: a nuclear weapon, and we would not have been able
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  Speaker 2: to live with it. They would have used it.
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  Speaker 1: It was a guarantee. It was a guarantee that they
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  Speaker 1: would get a weapon. Mister President was talking about red lines.
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  Speaker 1: One of your red lines is they have to renounce
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  Speaker 1: having their nuclear ambition. Do we have to get back
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  Speaker 1: the highly enriched uranium? Is that a red line for
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  Speaker 1: a deal? Yes, we do. Do they have to cap
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  Speaker 1: their missile.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, from from a standpoint of value,
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  Speaker 2: it's not very valuable, probably can't be used. They may
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  Speaker 2: not be able to get it because you know, despite
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  Speaker 2: they love to say, oh, maybe these great pilots didn't
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  Speaker 2: do their job. In the dead of night, at one
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  Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning, with no moon, every single bomb
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  Speaker 2: went down those air chefs. It's the most incredible, totally
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  Speaker 2: you know, I use the word obliterated, and the Atomic
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  Speaker 2: Energy Commission agreed with me. So people don't even know
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  Speaker 2: if you can get it. And by the way, if
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  Speaker 2: they could have gotten that, they would have gotten it
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  Speaker 2: was that was one of the great military maneuvers ever ago.
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to get it back so that they can't
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  Speaker 1: be tempted. Is that part of your red lines? They
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  Speaker 1: got to give that back?
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  Speaker 2: Then we want it back, We want it back.
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  Speaker 1: How is it a red line that they have to
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  Speaker 1: cap their missile program and have intrusive inspection. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't trust that.
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  Speaker 2: You have to look a little bit like at the neighbors.
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  Speaker 2: You know, they can't have lesson you know, they say,
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  Speaker 2: well what about other people? Look, missiles are bad, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and they do have to cap it. But this is
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  Speaker 2: about they cannot have a nuclear weapon.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's number one. What about proxy? They can't keep feeding?
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  Speaker 1: I'm us and has blaa.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to because right now, if we left today,
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  Speaker 2: it would take them twenty years to build back their
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  Speaker 2: country and it can never be the same. So if
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  Speaker 2: we left today, but you know, they have a problem
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  Speaker 2: coming up because they have it's a very explosive situation
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  Speaker 2: in a lot of different ways. You know they're oil
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  Speaker 2: when you turn off the oil underground and the mechanical too.
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  Speaker 2: But underground has a tendency in like almost one hundred
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  Speaker 2: percent of the cases to literally explode and just destroy
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  Speaker 2: everything around it. And you can never get that oil again.
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  Speaker 2: In other words, you can get back thirty to forty percent,
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  Speaker 2: but it can never be like it is right now.
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  Speaker 2: It does tremendous damage to the oil system in a
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  Speaker 2: country if that happens.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: The last time you were on, they've run out of
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  Speaker 2: areas for storage. Yeah, they say that in two weeks.
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  Speaker 2: You know when they talk about time, in two weeks,
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  Speaker 2: they're going to have a natural explosion of their own oil.
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  Speaker 2: That's going to make it impossible for them to really
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  Speaker 2: recover from them.
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  Speaker 1: They need a deal. Now. Last time you were on,
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  Speaker 1: you said to the people of Iran, stay the course,
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  Speaker 1: help is on the way. But they murdered forty thousand
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  Speaker 1: of them. Do you want the people of Iran to
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  Speaker 1: come out yet? Do you want them to stay inside?
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  Speaker 2: Well, look, the problem is that you can't if you
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  Speaker 2: have five people with a gun and two hundred and
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  Speaker 2: fifty thousand the five people with a gun and assuming
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  Speaker 2: get shoots fast enough, which they do. The five people
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  Speaker 2: get they're going to win. They have to. They don't
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  Speaker 2: have weapons. They lost forty two thousand, to be exact,
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  Speaker 2: forty two thousand people in about a two week protesters, innocent,
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  Speaker 2: unarmed protesters. You know. They killed the wrestlers, actually a
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  Speaker 2: world class restler. They killed them and his new friends.
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  Speaker 2: They hung them from a crane in the square.
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  Speaker 1: They're lunatics.
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  Speaker 2: So we're not dealing with, you know, your typical people.
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  Speaker 2: Despite all of that, we've obliterated their military. I mean
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  Speaker 2: literally now they may have built up a little bit
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  Speaker 2: over the The one bad thing about is he's fire
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  Speaker 2: as you can build up a little bit, we'll knock
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  Speaker 2: that out. We know everything they've done. We'll knock that
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  Speaker 2: out in the first Is the city fire over?
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  Speaker 1: Mister? Is it over? We're going to hit him to night?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I can't tell you that, all right, that's fine.
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  Speaker 2: You You wouldn't if I answered that question. You say,
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  Speaker 2: this man is not smart enough to be there, states.
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  Speaker 1: Question the president. I'm very disappointed in Europe. I'm a
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  Speaker 1: big Atlanta sayst I'm very disappointed in Europe. I'm glad
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  Speaker 1: you're taking the trips out of Germany. However, I'm very
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  Speaker 1: encouraged by Zolenski. President Zolenski sent the UAE all their
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  Speaker 1: anti drone stuff. You feel better about Zolenski.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Well, first of all, we have great drone stuff
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  Speaker 2: and we have great anti drones. So you know when
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  Speaker 2: he offered the he's he's a tricky person. He's a
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  Speaker 2: tricky guy, and we want to get a settlement, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, they are losing territory, but it's it's at
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  Speaker 2: a big cost to rush enter them. And I like Zelensky.
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  Speaker 2: I've always sort of gotten along with them, other than
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  Speaker 2: the one moment in the White House, which I thought
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  Speaker 2: was a little aggressive on his behalf. You know the
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  Speaker 2: Oval Office that I'm sure you perhaps remember, but I
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  Speaker 2: will Vice President Biden gave him three hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 2: billion dollars worth of money and equipment and everything else,
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  Speaker 2: which is ridiculous that he did that, but he did it.
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  Speaker 2: But you know the and I gave. I sell them equipment,
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  Speaker 2: full course, we sell it to the European Union, we
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  Speaker 2: sell it to NATO basically, and they give it out.
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  Speaker 2: I will say this, they fight because whether the equipment's
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  Speaker 2: great or less than great. They are able to fight
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  Speaker 2: and better.
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  Speaker 1: Than any of our NATO howls.
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  Speaker 2: Monster.
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  Speaker 1: They've held it back for you know, they're better than
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  Speaker 1: anybody in Europe in this fight. At least they're helping well.
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  Speaker 2: Europe has been very disappointing. And one of the things
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  Speaker 2: that came out of our skirmish with Iran, I think,
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  Speaker 2: is that NATO wasn't there for us. You know, we
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  Speaker 2: spend we spend trillions of dollars over a short, relatively
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  Speaker 2: short period of time on NATO. There was a time
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  Speaker 2: before I got here, we were spending We were paying
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  Speaker 2: for one hundred percent the cost of NATO, not eighty,
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  Speaker 2: not fifty. We were paying for one hundred percent. Now
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  Speaker 2: they pay more, and they also pay for their We
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  Speaker 2: no longer lose money because they have the money. I said,
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  Speaker 2: you have to pay for it. You buy missiles, you
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  Speaker 2: have to pay for it. They pay for it. They
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  Speaker 2: probably didn't give it over to Ukraine to use, and
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  Speaker 2: Ukraine uses them well. But it turned out to be
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  Speaker 2: a paper tiger and when we needed NATO. You have
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  Speaker 2: to remember, I hope you remember you got a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people listening and watching your show. I hope you
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  Speaker 2: remember when we needed NATO, they were not there for it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm not going to forget that.
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  Speaker 2: If that's why figure case. If we have the big one,
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  Speaker 2: and hopefully we never will have the big one, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to the Big One very soon, but and
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  Speaker 2: I look forward to it. I have a very good
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  Speaker 2: relationship with Presidency. But if we ever have the Big
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  Speaker 2: One or a bigger one, I don't believe they'd be
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  Speaker 2: there for us.
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  Speaker 1: You know you're going to China. Let's talk about that,
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  Speaker 1: mister President. You've had this back and forth with Pope Leo.
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  Speaker 1: I wish Pope Leo would talk about Jimmy Laie. You
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  Speaker 1: talk about Jimmy Lai with with the chairman. Will you
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  Speaker 1: be bringing him up again?
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  Speaker 2: I will. I brought him up and there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of there's a little bitterness, I would say with him
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  Speaker 2: and Jimmy Lai. You know he was Hong Kong was
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  Speaker 2: not as easy. But I will be I will be bringing.
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  Speaker 1: Up I wish the Pope would. I want the Pope
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  Speaker 1: to talk about Jimmy Lyon. I want you to bring
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  Speaker 1: him home. That would be a good deal.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the Pope would rather talk about the fact that
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  Speaker 2: it's okay for a Ran to have a nuclear weapon,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't think that's very good. I think he's
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  Speaker 2: endangering a lot of Catholics and a lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: But I guess if it's up to the Pope, he
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  Speaker 2: thinks it's just fine for Iran to have a nuclear weapon.
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  Speaker 1: He's from Chicago. You've got to learn a few things.
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  Speaker 1: He's from Chicago. Let me ask you about China. What
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  Speaker 1: do you want out of this trip with the Chairman?
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  Speaker 2: So he's coming here in November or so, and we
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  Speaker 2: have a very good relationship. We're adversaries, but we have
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  Speaker 2: a very good relationship. When I took over, China was
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  Speaker 2: just ripping us like nobody's ever seen. And now it's
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  Speaker 2: the opposite. I mean, we're we're doing very nicely with China.
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  Speaker 2: But we do have a very strong relationship. And I
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  Speaker 2: think it's better to get along with China than it
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  Speaker 2: is to fight with China. And they feel the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: And don't kid yourself. They watch what happened in Venezuela.
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  Speaker 2: They watch what happened in Iran because militarily, Iran is
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  Speaker 2: essentially over. You understand, I mean, they're beaten.
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  Speaker 1: But you do have to get rid of that regime.
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  Speaker 1: You got to get them new to.
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  Speaker 2: Their dust bat And the one thing is, look, anybody
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  Speaker 2: could say, gee, we're going to drop a couple of
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  Speaker 2: minds in this rather narrow channel and you know, claim
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  Speaker 2: that g they have power. Remember this, They said they
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  Speaker 2: were going to take over the hormonest right and then
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  Speaker 2: and when they then we thought they might have, we
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  Speaker 2: took it over from them. We have we have control.
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  Speaker 2: The one thing you can't stop. If somebody's going to
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  Speaker 2: want to drop a little mine in the middle and
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  Speaker 2: you happen to own a billion dollar ship, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: sure you're going to be thrilled about sailing it up
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  Speaker 2: the harbor.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll they'll deal with it. You're taking all their oil,
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  Speaker 1: you're seizing their tankers out on the Indian Ocean. Who's
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  Speaker 1: that oil going to go to? Mister? Is that for
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  Speaker 1: the people of Iran?
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  Speaker 2: When you're emotionally shulling it back, most of it comes
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  Speaker 2: back into the United States. Well, the people are on
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  Speaker 2: so look, if they had guns, which they don't have,
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  Speaker 2: if they had guns, you know, guns were sent and
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  Speaker 2: other people took those guns. If they had guns, they
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  Speaker 2: would fight back. I'm convinced of that. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: you can't have an unarmed population against people with a
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  Speaker 2: K forty seven's and stand there even if you have
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  Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty thousand people. So you know, you
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  Speaker 2: started up by asking me would I like to see it?
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  Speaker 2: And I'm very torn on it because they us forty
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  Speaker 2: two thousand people in the first two weeks. I don't
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  Speaker 2: really want to see that they have that guns, and
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  Speaker 2: I think they're getting some guns. As soon as they
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  Speaker 2: have guns, they'll fight like as good as anybody there is.
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  Speaker 2: But when you have people that are armed, and you
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  Speaker 2: know they have very good weapons. On the other side,
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  Speaker 2: now they've been depleted, a lot of the people fighting
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  Speaker 2: don't want to fight anymore. They're not getting paid anymore
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  Speaker 2: from what I'm hearing, because we have obliterated them. Like
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  Speaker 2: in the military, we've done the same thing to them
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  Speaker 2: financially economically. We don't think they're paying their soldiers and
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  Speaker 2: their guard anymore. So they've got a lot of problems,
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: but we'll see what happens.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: We have any signs at the regular armies, any signs
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: that the regular army might march in and take over
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: from the fanatics, they do have the regular army.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: I guess you know, we purposely have not gone after
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: them too much because we think that much more moderate actually,
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, there are much more group
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: and we're not looking to decimate the army. You know
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: when they did Iraq between and the worst thing was
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: they got rid of all the leaders, so nobody knew
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: who the leader was and then all of a sudden
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: you had ices. We don't want to do that. The Venezuela,
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: the people running Venezuela right now, it's running very it's
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: running incredibly. Actually, it's so smooth. We've taken out many
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: times in money, many times the costs of the war,
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: of prosecuting the war in Venezuela. And when was the
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: last time you heard that? And I when I say
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: many times, like twenty five times. And we get along
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: great with the people. They respect us, they listen to us,
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: and you know, Venezuela is actually it's a happy country again.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: The people are happy. We have all the big oil
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: companies moving in, spending a lot of money building rigs
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: because their rigs were all depleted and gone rusted out,
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: closed for years.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: And you very serious questions for brother, are you are
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: you going to do for Cuba what you've done for Venezuela,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: bring in new leadership and free those people up to
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: be happy again. Is Cuba on the line?
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Really talk about Cuba too much other than to say
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: that perhaps on the way back from Iran, as we
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: finish that when you'd like to do one half to
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: the other. But we'll stop the Abraham Lincoln aircraft carry
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: the most gorgeous carrier. Will stop the Abraham Lincoln a
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: couple of hundred yards off shore, and we'll watch them
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: wanting to do something. Now, the people in Cuba, I mean,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: the country is devastated right now. It's just devastated. So
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: it would be an honor to free it up. You know,
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: I got all the Cuban vote. I got ninety four
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: percent of the Cuban voted in the US, and you
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: know I have an obligation, frankly, to do something. It's
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: what they did to the Cubans, what they did to
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: the families of the people that are living in the
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: United States is unthinkable, very much like Iran in that way.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Now, as President, before I let around time, I want
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: to ask you about the attempt on your life, and
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: I'm very everyone who's listening. Very grateful, very powerful that
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: you were not harmed. There have been four attempts on
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: your life. First of all, I'm not going to ask
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: you about the shooter's manifesto. I can't believe Norah O'Donnell
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: did that. That was rehears. Of course, they wanted you
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: to They wanted you to walk off. Did you think
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: about walking off?
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: No, because then you make it a bigger story. Actually,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: she's terrible. I mean, she's interviewed me. She's a regular
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: person that gets paid a lot of money. She's she's
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: no different. I could get any woman off the street
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: practically and they would do just as good a job
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: as her. There's nothing special. And actually as soon as
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: she said the word manifest so I said, here we
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: go with the nonsense again. You know, there's a sick guy,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: a really sick guy, at deranged guy, and he writes
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: stuff and I was none of those things and was
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: never proven to be one of those things, and that
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: you would say that was disgusting. And the problem with
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: walking off it's like it becomes a bigger story and
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: you don't want to have.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: I figure, well, I was on Saturday with Ice show
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: over on Fox, and she asked me, what about the
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Democrats because of the Grand Platner and they got the
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: elsaiaed guy in Michigan and the Flanning and lady in Minnesota.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I said, I think this is a direct what President
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Trump has broken the Democrats. I think they've lost the
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: thread about serving the working man.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Have you done that?
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Do you think you've broken the Democrats?
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to be the one to say it,
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: but there is such a thing as Trump derangement syndrome
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: and nobody's seen ever anything like it. And part of
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: it because we've really done well. Look at our sock market.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: It's at an all time high in the middle of
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: what some people could consider a war. Okay, I don't
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: consider it a big one, but it's still a war,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: and our sock markets at an all time life. More
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: people are working in the United States right now than
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: at any time in the history of our country, and
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: I could go list after list. We're drilling more oil.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: We are now doing more oil than Saudi Arabia and
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Russia combined. Think of that, and very importantly, you know,
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: one of the reasons when I first did this, I
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: thought maybe the market would go down twenty or twenty
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: five percent, And I was okay with that because I
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: know it would come back up. But I thought it
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: would go down, and I thought oil could hit two
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty. Oil's at one hundred dollars, one hundred
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: and two dollars, and you and you did too, most
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: people did you know what? It's the genius of the
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: whole thing is people have found ways around the hormone strait.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: They're heading up to Texas, they're heading up to Alaska,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: they're heading up to Louisiana, and you see it. We
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: see it through satellite. There are ships all over the
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: ocean coming up. They find it, They find ways of
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: you know, just you can't go to Hormos. They find it, Well,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: let's go to Texas. So it's just really sort of
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: an amazing thing. They find ways of getting it done.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: So it's not going to be at two hundred and
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: fifty and three hundred and the sock market again. Stock
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: markets at a record high.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: And I think Republicans have got to put their arms
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: around this and say we've got to win an Iran.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: We're not worried about the midterms. Are you worried about
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: the mid term because it's so much more important to win.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, the one thing is that you know
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: I've gotten such you know, I won the Hispanic vote.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Look at the votes I got. I got votes and
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: also I got traditional Republican, but I got votes that
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: really have Along the Texas border, I won every single
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: city in town along the Texas border to Mexico. It's ever,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: nobody's ever. No Republican has ever won one town. So
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: the question is is it transformable? And I will tell
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: you I don't know your.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: View on this.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: I listened to you, but I don't know your view
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: on this, and I don't know why. But they have
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: to terminate the filibusters so we can approve things.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Oh we disagree, mister President, we disagree. We do want
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: to waste time on that. I'm afraid the Democrats will pass.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Let me just I know, but let me just ask you.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: You know the Democrats are going to do it right?
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think they will. They say they talk
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: a good game, but they don't deliver. They're not like
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: you think.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: I think I'd win a lot of money from you.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: But that's okay if you say that. But I'm very
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: surprised at you because I thought you were a brilliant man.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Well, I've always been from the filibuster. I'll argue it
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: out with you. But more important than people.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Here, they have to do the Save America Act, and
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: if they do the Filibus, that they do the Save
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: America and you have to have voter ID and you
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: have to have proof of citizenship. I'm for that.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: I just want to win sixty Senate seats and do that.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: If we lose the House, mister President, they will impeach you.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Does it bother you? They'll impeach you four times. Does
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: that bother you?
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Well, they'll impeach me like they did the last time.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: And now they want to overturn those impeachments because there
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: was total nonsense. And what we've learned even since and
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: literally all the stuff that's coming out now about all
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: these people, it's a it's a corrupt group of people,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: and the Republicans play much nicer. Okay, you got to
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: go around in peachings, but Joe Biden should be at
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: peach What he did was so bad. Now, in the
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: case of Biden, he had no idea he was doing.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: It all right.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: He should have been removed from office under the twenty
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: with the Biden administration, he had some very smart lunatics
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: circling him around that beautiful as you know, the beautiful
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Oval office and that incredible desk I sit behind. You know, hey, look,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: he had smart people, really radical left, and they would
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: destroy the country open borders. To me, the biggest CINABO
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: was allowing twenty five million people into our country, murderers,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: drug dealers, people from mental institutions. And we're doing great
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: with it. Despite the courts that are so stacked against us.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: We're doing great with this.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: So let me ask you about it.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: You know, murders were down the lowest of one hundred
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: and twenty five years.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Despite all of this, I had out of town visitors
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: yet down by National Stadium yesterday he said, how is
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: the National Guard work on? It's beautiful, It's very very nice.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Ask you about the wools here now is one of
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: the safest cities in the country. Yes, and a year
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: ago when I came in, it was one of the
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: most unsafe places in the country. To be we took
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: out five thousand career criminals and one sat before you
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: get one sat. Two percent of the people create ninety
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: percent of the crime and I love that sat because
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: it means you can fix it, and we got that
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: wherever we go.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: I know you have toun. You offered to the White
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: House correspond So Association to use the ballroom when it
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: gets done. I'm just wondering, could they put a tent
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: on the backyard? Would you let them do a tented
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: thing on the south lawn to do their dinner.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Well, we've done tens for years. Tens don't work. And
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: when it rains there it's very wet land here, sort
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: of marshland, and when it rains it's brutal. You know,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: you have a thing and the water literally goes over
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: their shoes. I would do it. I mean more importantly
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: for the future. We're building a room. You know, it's
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: ahead of a head of schedule, on budget, ahead of
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: schedule to be one of the most beautiful and one
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: of the safest ballrooms anywhere in the world. But it'll
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: be one of the most beautiful ballrooms. It's been needed
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: for one hundred and fifty years.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: And I approve of the ballroom. I've been in the
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: White House. I work for Reagan. There's no place to
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: have a real dinner. It's a nightmare and it's got
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: to be safe. Two final last fun questions, mister president,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: for your bio. If there's no McDonald's around, Burger King
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: and Wendy's, well, I'll tell you.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: You know a friend of mine. He's sort of an
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: old friend, but he's not really a friend anymore. I
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: don't like him too much. But I've always liked Wendy's.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: I have Wendy's, but the person that controls it, I
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: don't like him so much anymore. So I don't want
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: to give many. But Wendy's is pretty good, okay. And
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: last fun questions, I do that for old time sake.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: On par fives, when you've had a good drive, do
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: you always go for the green in twoity you lay out?
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Well, it depends, you know, I hit it good. I
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: won thirty eight club championships, including seniors. It's a lot,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: but you know, it depends on the length a lot
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: of times. I mean that's like strategies like I knew
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: a guy that you would have known. I won't mention
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: the name. He went all the time, and that's his
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: whole life?
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Was it like that?
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Now? I don't always go for it. I think sometimes
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: you're better off laying up for a wedge and and
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: being safe. I would I take the guaranteed par as
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: opposed to risk it for a birdie. I would lay
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: up a lot, but don't take your.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Wedge on Iran, mister President, hit for the green, go
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: for the green on Iran.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Well, I know how you feel, and I think you're
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: going to be extremely happy when it all ends, and
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: it shouldn't be that long. We're trying to be nice,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: but I know exactly, and some very very smart people
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: feel that you're right about that.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Right, it's the most important thing they've done in people.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: If you make a deal, you know.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the most important thing you've done in two terms.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: And I applaud. I hope you say it through.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Well, somebody should have done it long before I got here.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Forty seven years of this stuff, whether the SS coal
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: or what you can mention a hundred different things, and
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: thousands and thousands of American lives and thousands of kids
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: are walking around now. They're no longer kids without arms,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: without legs, with a face that got blown to pieces
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: because of Solomony, who I killed, Yeah, killed Solomony. That
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: was another big one. I did a lot.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: You keep it going mister President, because it's the number
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: one thing. Thank you for your time, sir.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it, and you're wrong about the filibuster.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: But okay, another time, thank you, sir. God. The Ambassador
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Michael Orran is with this, founder of the Israeli Advocacy
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: for him, the Israel Advocacy Forum. He's in the United
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: States for a couple of days. I hope he can
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: get back before the war begins again. But I think
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: the war is beginning in doctor Oran. What do you think.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: That's what we're bracing for in Israel.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: A lot of talk about going, you know, full out again,
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: and I'd be interesting to see what will be the
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: targets this time.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: And I'll be interesting to see if the UAE and other.
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: Gulf countries join in between the you and Saudi Arabia
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: loan here. There's about nine hundred top flight, top of
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: the line warplanes that can cause the men's damage to Iran.
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: Should these countries decide to actually join the fight kinetically
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: and not just defensively, be very interesting to see.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Now the EUEE has absorbed fifteen missile strikes today, four
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: drone strikes today. They've gotten increasingly angry in their rhetoric,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: and they've cut off the shadow banking at least as
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: far as we know. Do you think they'll cross the
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: line into actual combatant response.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: Well, they've broken off of OPAK.
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: They've now imported Israeli soldiers to fire iron dome interceptors
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: and to successfully intercept the first missilin history to be
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: accepted by Israeli Israeli soldiers' idea of soldiers on Arab soil.
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: It's quite extraordinary. Everything's changing here. I remember I always
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: keep on saying this is a hinge of history. Nothing
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: is ever going to be the same again. I don't
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: know if if oil consumers are ever going to trust
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: rates and permusaver again. Who knows why trust your country's
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: well being even for a day on a bunch of
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: crazies like the Orions or for that matter, of the qataris.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: So everything's going to change now, and it'd be.
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: Quite extraordinary to see what happens in this next round
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: of fighting, even when it breaks out.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, DOCTRN. There was a period of time during the
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: British mandate when people thought that pipelines from Saudi Arabia
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: and other oil rich areas in the MIDI would run
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: and terminate in Haifa to cut the distance necessary by
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: shipping into the Mediterranean as opposed to around the world.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Do you think that's possible to happen again, Oh, it's
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: not possible.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: I think it's inevitable.
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: Haifa was a sleepy little It wasn't even a village.
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: There was much a collection of huts and the British
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: decided to make it into the terminus for oil from
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: the Iraq and the Persian Gulf. And in Haifa still
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: bears the scars because the British built their city hot
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: up on the hill above hyphen and put railroad tracks
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: between that city and the beautiful beach.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: Only the British would think of doing that.
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: But it's inevitable, and it's the securest route, and it's
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: not just for the Saudiast, for the entire Gulf region,
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: and it cuts both ways. Israel has long had a
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: plan to create a terminal at ashdod Our southern port
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: on the Mediterranean, for a high speed rail that would
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: cut across Israel down to the Red Sea, down to
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: a lot and basically basically end run the Suez Canal.
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: Should the Suez Canal ever become difficult to transferse and
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: at times it has been closed as we know, and
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: it'll be quicker and to be cheaper. So Israel is,
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: you know, is geographically quite fortuitously placed for oil and
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: for goods going both ways, not just from the.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: Middle East to the Europe and the West.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Bachelor and I know you're loaded in the American politics,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: but a non partisan comment, do you think Israel can
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: build high speed rail faster than California? Because we've got
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: stone enge in the Central Valley here.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna laugh.
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: I'm sure you know you were talking about Wiley Coyote before.
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: Unless you're a tortoise, could probably build it faster than California.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: But all right, here's my bigger rap. I think I'm
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: talking to the president at five o'clock. I got the
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: advanced notice from the team that he's calling in. What
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: do you want to know from him?
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: I want to know that he's going to stay the
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: chorus in the old Reagan es way everything Hinges tell
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: him that the humble Ambassador Michael Lauren said that he
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: has a chance to go down in history not only
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: as the greatest president, but one of the great leaders
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: of all history. That he could truly bring peace to
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: the Middle East. Just hanging in there because these guys,
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: these are runnings. Eventually they will fold, they will fold,
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: they will fold, and we will have peace between Israel
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: and Lebanon, Peace with Israel and Syria, peace with Israel
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: in Saudi Arabia. It possibly peace with Islam. A post
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: Ayatola Iran. Everything's going to change. The Russians, the Chinese
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: will be shaking in their boots. That's that's how things
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: could change. Everything hinges right now.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: All right now, I have written down the red lines.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: I want to ask him about the announced end of
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: nuclear ambitions, all the highly enriched uranium out of the
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: country to US, the end of or or a significantly
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: low cap on their missile arsenal inspections anytime anywhere. The
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: JCPOI did not allow for that. Turn on the internet
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: and stop killing your people. You think that's an exhausted list.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: No, no more support for terror, no more support for
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: the proxies. That's crucial for US's crucial for everybody. You
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: won't have piece between visual in Lebanon. If you could have,
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: you know, Nisanado and President Owen in Washington signing a
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: piece of paper, but it won't bring peace unless his
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: bullet is dried on the vine.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: Okay, it's as to dry up. The don't mean to
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: dry it up is by saying taking the.
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: Roonics and say they're not going to give another penny
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: to his bullet, then you can have.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Peace, all right. Now, last question, UA's under attack. Saudi
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Arabia has been under attack in the Far East. The
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: United States is in the quad with Australia, India, Japan,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: and the United States. Is there a new quad forming
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: the United States, Israeli, UA and Saudi Arabia, even though
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia is unofficial at this point.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: Well, let's see what happens with this.
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: Audienst Sol has been sitting on the fence, and I
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: think it's what's the word cut, bait or fish.
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: There's some other different expressions. I want to thank you program.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: We can't use that and you can't use those.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: But you know what I'm saying. I would I would
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: throw India into the mix.
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: Say the truth to you, and might I talk about
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: a Paksamrikana that will extend from the eastern shores of
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: the Mediterranean to the to the to the banks of
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: the Ganges.
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: That's what I'm referring to that India should be in
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: the mix.
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: In India would be just can you imagine an anger
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: of peace on one side, the United States and the
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: other India the extraordinary.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Now in such an arrangement, would you imagine interoperability between
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: the militaries of the sort that the Israeli defense forces
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: in the United States American military has achieved right now?
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: I think we'd have to be a little bit more cautious.
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: But with the United States, we have a long, deep,
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: multifaceted historic alliance, which by the way, is probably the
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: deepest and most multifaceted strategic alliance which United States has
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: had with any foreign power in the post worl War
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: two period. And I include Great Britain in that, and
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: we see it in action right now. It'll take a
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: long time to get to that level with either the
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: UA or certainly Saudi Arabia, but I wouldn't rule it out.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: And I wouldn't rule out joint maneuvers.
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't rule out joint communities certainly sharing on intelligence.
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: I sure that exists already, and here we are sharing
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: our most advanced anti missile technology with the UE.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: It's very remarkable. If I'd asked you if that was
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: possible three years ago, I don't know what your answer
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: would have been, but I doubt what it wouldn't been
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: a full pard. Yeah. Yeah, that's insane. Doctor Michael Urn
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: from the Israel Advocacy for him follow him on ex
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: at Dr Michael Orran. Thank you, mister ambassador. I'll be
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: right back. In America's feature Welcome Back to America. Selena
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Zito is my guest. She is America's columnist. She writes
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: for the Washington Post, the Washington Examiner. She writes for
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, the New York Post. She writes
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: for people walking by on the street. She leaves notes
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: on cars. She just writes. Selena Zito has a great
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: new column out about a guy I've never heard of.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: I'd never heard of, mister Tull t ulll Selena tell
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: people about him. That's a fabulous column.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: He is the new renaissance man that nobody knows about.
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: His impact in our culture is profound. Just think about
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: some of the great movies that he's produced as part
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: of legendary films like the three hundred Inception Batman like
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: he's made some of the best movies that I loved
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: in the first part of the twentieth century.
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: He's also really involved in robotics AI, but.
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: Also in the defense system and getting manufacturing in AI
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: and robotics as part of the defense sort of overall
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: protection of the military in the country.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Pennsylvania. Why is he in Pennsylvania.
• 36:31
  Speaker 7: This is the parts you're not going to like.
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: Hen's part of the Steelers, That's what I don't like. Yeah,
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: he also Orange, part of the of the Yankees. He's
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: also on the board of the Smithsonian Mit Carnegie Mellon
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: the National Baseball Museum in Cooperstown.
• 36:53
  Speaker 7: He really has He's very very important. He does not
• 36:57
  Speaker 7: like attention. And when they first came.
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: To me to do a story about him, I mean,
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: you know, me, I know a lot of useless information
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: and I'm like, say who, I'm sorry, who do you
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: want me to talk to? And then I of course,
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: did you know the deep dive in Google? And he
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: never really has done.
• 37:15
  Speaker 7: An interview before, and and.
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: Just to see the impact that he's had on the country,
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: I mean, I know, you know, like Akasher comes from Cleveland,
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: and you know, I didn't really like the name.
• 37:28
  Speaker 7: Being changed to Akasher.
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: But you know, had he not changed it, because the
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: Steelers would have been in trouble because, as you know,
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: those naming rights are incredibly important to all these all
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: these teams people.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: And you know what amazed me about your profile, Selena
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: is you got a lot of people, like our friend
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Senator Cotton to talk at length about mister Toll from
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: both sides of the aisle, which is kind of unique
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: in America. Both both Democrats and Republicans wanted to time
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Tall really goes, Yeah.
• 38:04
  Speaker 7: Governor Shapiro, Tom Cotton, the president, Sally the.
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: President of mt By the way, I've never called the
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: president of the university by their first name, which was weird.
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: And just to see the impact, the positive impact he
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: has had with those universities and sort of.
• 38:24
  Speaker 7: Threading the needle with their defense department. And the robotics.
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: Companies that he has handed in are amazing. There's one
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: that just got seventy two million dollars for a Navy
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: contract for robots at AI to be able to efficiently.
• 38:42
  Speaker 7: Get our ships.
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: They if they have damage in particularly aircraft carriers, right
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: on the top of it, because the skidding becomes a problem,
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: they can fix it. In record time and get them
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: back out.
• 38:55
  Speaker 7: There into the field.
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: And all of this is incorporated with US steel right,
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: and manufacturing and energy, So it really is and and
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: he has become just as much of an evangelic what's
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: the word evangelical about working class that Mike Rowe has.
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: He was on his podcast He's going to do a
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: big event this summer somewhere in Pittsburgh with steel, with
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: the trades, with robotics and AI.
• 39:27
  Speaker 7: So this is a guy to watch. I highly recommend
• 39:31
  Speaker 7: people pay attention to him.
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: He is the next Andrew Carnegie of and sort of
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: Nikolai Tesla and George Washington at Westinghouse all mixed in one.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: People can find the profile by simply googling Selena Zito
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: and Thomas Tullell. I hope he doesn't succeed with the Steelers,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: but with everything else. May the force be with him.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: That is May fourth, So that's good. Selene. I did
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: want to comment. We were both on Fox back to
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: back on Saturday. You were from your home studio. You
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: were talking about the fact that the deniers of Butler,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: that people who say it was were staged, do such
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: a great disservice to the victim, especially core comparatoria who
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: you saw die? Do you think that message is getting through.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: Now?
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: Now they're having way too much fun. It has now
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: become a contact sport to dehumanize people. And they don't
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: care who is the collateral damage. So who they're trying
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: to dehumanize. It's Donald Trump, which they constantly do in
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: our culture and.
• 40:31
  Speaker 7: In our news media. But there is a collateral damage
• 40:34
  Speaker 7: and consequences with that.
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: There you have just you are effectively erasing the death
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: of someone's father, of someone's husband, of someone's son, as
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: someone's friend, a community leader.
• 40:46
  Speaker 7: And two men spent months in the ICU, you.
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: Know, and still suffering from their damages from being shot
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: by Thomas Crooks.
• 40:55
  Speaker 7: And it's I find it.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Vulgar, and.
• 41:01
  Speaker 7: I can't say the word the other word I find it.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: But I want to ask you something I don't know
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Pennsylvania law. I'm not licensed in Pennsylvania, but many states
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: have a tort called the intentional infliction and mental distress,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: and it's intended to punish and receive monetary damages when
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: the defendant does outrageous conduct intended or almost certain to
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: cause great emotional harm. Don't you think the comparatory family
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: have the right to bring those lawsuits against the shooting deniers.
• 41:34
  Speaker 7: Absolutely.
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: And there are the amount of times that I was
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: asked you on the air buying news men and women
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: that asking me when the book Butler came out, who
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: asked me?
• 41:51
  Speaker 7: Was it staged? Two of the times I walked off.
• 41:56
  Speaker 7: And I can't even believe someone it's in legacy media. Thanks.
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: Oh, that's a fair question. Everybody saw it live on television.
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: Everyone saw someone die on television, and it's unconscionable what
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: they're doing.
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: And yes, that's a long way to answer to your question.
• 42:18
  Speaker 7: Yes she should.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: I hope. I don't know what Pennsylvania law is. I
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: hope they have a tour for the intentional infliction and
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: mental distress. And I know people will say, well, that
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: will threaten freedom of the press. No, it isn't. It
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: only punishes people who publish reckless disregard for the truth
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: and boy denying Butler's about as reckless a disregard for
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: the truth as he's out there. Selena Zito, thank you,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: great profile of mister Tall. I like to do his
• 42:43
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• 42:46
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  Speaker 1: Because it's not often that I begin to show with
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  Speaker 1: a sitting Supreme Court Associate Justice in this case is
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  Speaker 1: Associate Justice Neil Gorsichi's been on the program before. It's
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: good to see you again, Justice, and I want to
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: begin by thanking you because Heroes of seventeen seventy six,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: your new book is perfect for my eighth grade granddaughter,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: my sixth grade grandson. And there's enough mayhem in here
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: that even my first grader is somehat of a precocious reader.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: We call her Genghis Kate. She may read it too.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: She's a very good reader. So I just think it's fabulous.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: What was the demo you were looking for? Because I
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: think you hit the eighth grade, sixth grader, and maybe
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: even the first grader just between the eyes.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, you're so kind Hugh, and it's very very good
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: to be with you and happy two hundred and fiftieth
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: Intil year. I just wanted to for us to take
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: a moment because we all love the fireworks and the
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: celebrations and those little ones, and maybe that Genghis Khan
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: one especially loves the mayhem that comes on July fourth,
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: but perhaps we need to take a moment two to
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: reflect on them, the humanity of the people who made
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: it possible, and the courage and sacrifice they endured during
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: those eight years of war when things looked bleak often
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: and dire. And yes, there is a lot of death
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: and destruction in that book, but it's inspiring too ordinary
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: people who did extraordinary things. You know, we all know
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, and yes they make appearances,
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: but how many of us really know about Caesar Rodney
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: or Mary Catherine Goddard or Emily Geiger at eighteen years
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: old and the sacrifices they made. And I just think
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: there's so many wonderful people to be met in the
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: history of our revolution and declaration, for young people to meet,
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: to become inspired by and realize that, you know, the
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: torch is going to pass to their hands pretty soon,
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: and they're either going to carry it or the torture
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: freedom is going to be lost, and that's up to them,
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: and so it's a bit of a challenge to them.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I think it is a remarkably inspiring book, and I
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: don't want to cut it off too young, because eighteen
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: year old girls out there will not know the story
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: of Emily Geiger. I didn't know it. I've been teaching
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: con laws in nineteen ninety six. I care a lot
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: about the Declaration. I read McCullough, I read every book
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: about the framers of the Founders that comes out. But
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: how in the world did you find Emily Geiger. I
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: didn't know about the girl spy who swallowed the message.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, that's exactly what happened to you.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: She was asked to send a message from one patriot
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: to general to the other on horseback. She went riding off,
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: she saw she was going to be and was captured
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: by British troops because she was sneaking behind enemy lines.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: And I thought was she was eighteen and a girl,
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: and maybe she could get it through and nobody else would. Well,
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: they caught her, so what did she do. She memorized
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: the message, she swallowed the message, and then she escaped
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: from the British, ran on her horse and delivered the message.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: So the truth is, there were so many of those
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: stories once we got into it. Janie my former law clerk,
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: and she's a wonderful, wonderful person, one of the smartest
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: young people of her generation and also the founder of
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: a preschool. So we had a lot of fun going
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: through old letters, memoirs and really first hand accounts as
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: much as we possibly could. And there's so many that
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: we didn't get in there, Like you know Joseph plum
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: Martin who is sixteen years old when he joined the
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: Middle Army, where the fifer who with ten spent three
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: years in the army before walking one hundred and fifty
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: miles home by foot. Almost there are millions of those
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: stories out there and people waiting to be discovered by
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: children that they're going to relate to and recognize that
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: person's not so different from me. And look at what
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: he did. He walked one hundred and fifty miles home
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: because he wanted to serve.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Now, the I don't know what your book tour is
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: going to be like justice. You've got a busy time
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: between the books coming out, and we pretaped this before
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: publication day and are holding it till publication date. But
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: then the Court's got to wrap up, and you've got
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: a busy summer ahead of you before the four But
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: if you have time, because Mary Catherine Goddard, the printer,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: is in here, I hope you find time to do.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: The podcast that Mary Katherine Ham does with Vic mattis
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: called Getting Hammered because you don't run into too many
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: Mary Catherines who spell it the same. And I'd never
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: heard of Mary Cathry Goddard. And I knew about the
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: five hundred copies and how it had to get out everywhere,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: but I didn't know that they picked a young lady.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Where was she Baltimore?
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure what Philadelphia, but yes, and why Baltimore too,
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: You right, because it were at the end of seventeen
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: seventy six and Congress had to escape Philadelphia because the
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: British were marching on it, and so they were in
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: Baltimore and they need to get the declaration out. They
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: need to send it through the colonies in order to
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: inspire people to stand up for freedom. Remember, not everybody
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: was a Patriot. Only about forty percent of Americans at
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: the time supported the cause. Others were loyalists, and a
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: lot of people just weren't willing to take a stand,
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: and so they turned to the local printer in Patriot
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: Printer in Baltimore who had published the newspaper, the Patriot
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: Newspaper printed by M. K. Goddard at the bottom when
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: it came to the declaration, though K. Goddard, who've used
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: her initials for business purposes, one can understand back then,
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: wanted to stand with the Patriots and show that she
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: too stood for liberty. And so at the bottom of
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: that declaration, it's printed by Mary Catherine Goddard, and by
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: putting her name along with the signers, the fifty six signers,
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: she marked herself as guilty of treason and potentially subject
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: to execution by British troops. But she did it anyway.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: That's it's really sort of inspiring because when you do
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: put your name, as we will find out when we
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: talk about heroes of seventeen seventy six, you're asking to
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: get repaid by the Crown a hundred times over, sometimes
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: with your life. So she signs her name, and I
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: don't know what her peril is thereafter, but I'm going
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: to tell Mary Catherine Aham to contact your chambers. And
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: she does pretty much what I'm doing with you right now,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: but with a different demo. And she got four youngsters.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: The one that Genghis Kate will my granddaughter. She's gonna
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: love learning about Elizabeth Lewis because this is one tough
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: lady and she did not survive the war. And I'm
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: holding up the illustration here. It's a two pager for
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: beople to look at if they're watching it. I've never
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: heard this story before, and it's tragic, and I knew that.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: The British, and you know mel Gibson, the Patriot, they
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: were pretty bad. They burned the people in the church,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: they're awful to her. They kill her.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well basically yeah. So like many of the signers,
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: the Lewis's had a third of all the signers out
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: of the fifty six of them had their homes destroyed.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: Think about that. Many of them had their children captured
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: or some killed. Some of the signers themselves were captured,
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: some of their wives, like mich Elizabeth Lewis, as you
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: point out, and captured and kept under dreadful conditions and
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: wound up effectively stripping her of her health for the
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: rest of her life. And when and they said they
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: were pledging their lives and their sacred honor and their
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: treasure to each other, they meant it. And almost all
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: of the signers died poorer men because they spent so
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: much of their wealth on the Patriot cause and supporting it.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they would do it again. I can't remember
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: which one said he would do it again. Maybe I'll
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: find that in my notes. But let me go back
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: on the beginning. Yeah, Thomas Nelson. It's by Neil gorsicch
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: and Jane Knitsy and I hope I pronounce her name correctly.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: But the illustrator is Chris Ellison. And I just want
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: to give a shout out to Chris Ellison. It's a
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: fabulous book. How did you pick your illustrator? When it
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: comes to the.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: Pictures, somebody has to give that man a prize because
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: he is so remarkable. Janie and I spent a lot
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: of time looking through historical children's books for somebody who
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: had an eye for bringing people to life so that
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: they're not just creatures of a different time, unrecognizable, but
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: were also very sensitive to historical accuracy, and we wanted
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: somebody who paints my hand and doesn't rely on AI
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: or just cartoon images. And Chris is all of those
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: things as well as a remarkable human being, and he
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: just brought this book to life. And when I said,
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: for example, we've got an image of Thomas Jefferson writing
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: the Declaration in Philadelphia in the rooms he rented from
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: a bricklayer on the outskirts, and he brought with him
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: his laptop, Chris knew exactly what I was talking about.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: I wasn't talking about this device I'm talking to you
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: through It was Thomas Jefferson's traveling desk that he brought
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: from Monticello with him. And Chris replicated that exactly correctly, sctorically,
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: beautifully done, and I just could not be more grateful
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: to have had the opportunity to work with him.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: Well kudos to him. I hope he does get it.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: The book does include, by the way, a poster of
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: the Declaration of Independence for anyone who wants one of those,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: but it's the story of the declaration and the people
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: who signed it. I don't think I will forget that
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: one of them, Stephen Hopkins of Rhode Island. Now I
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: never say as I said. I've been teaching con law forever.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: Rhode Island was a pain in the neck throughout the
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: entire articles years and the framing of the Constitution. But
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: now I have to be nice to them because of
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: Stephen Hopkins of Rhode Island, who can't. He's got shaky hands,
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: some parkinson, some kind of a disease, but he insists
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: on signing in his own hand, even though it's a
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: terrible signature, because he wants to be in that line.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: And by the way, it's August second. My friend Dave's
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: of ognoll Up in Cleveland is having their big celebration
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: on August second, because he said until they signed, the
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: dog on thing wasn't real. Do you think many people
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: know that August second is signing day?
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: Well they will if they read this book, and they'll
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: read why. But Stephen Hopkins, I agree with you, is
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: to me one of the more moving and poignant moments. Right.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: You can imagine how he felt. He was worried that
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: posterity would see his handwriting as so uneven and scratchy
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: that they might think he was trembling with fear when
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: he wrote his name, and he wanted the world to
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: know that that wasn't the case. He said, my hand trembles,
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: but my heart does not when he signed that, when
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: he signed that document, And you can imagine how you
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: might feel in his shoes, and you want the world
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: to know that you're standing up along with everybody else,
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: even though you suffer this, this difficulty, this challenge is
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: so justice.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: Are you a seventeen A declaration or a revolutionary war? Guy?
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: There are Rick Atkinson's got two volumelliams of the three
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: volume series out there, fabulous, And we do have David
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: mccullus seventeen seventy six, and we've got Hamilton and all
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: the Washington We got lots of biography. Have you always
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: been addicted to this stuff?
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: It is a short answer, and both because there is
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: incredibly complex. It's some of it's difficult, all of it's fascinating,
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: and much of it's inspiring. Right, And how are you
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: going to run a government or participate as a citizen
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: in this government if you don't know anything about its history?
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: So I feel like it's a responsibility for all of
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: us to know something about our history. You want to
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: change something great, Maybe you ought to understand where it
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: came from first and why it is the way it is.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: Well. I will come back to the specifics of the
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: book in a second, but I want to make my
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: pitch early. This should be a trilogy, the Constitution, the writing,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: the Miracle, and Philadelphia the Ratification. That's obviously volume three.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: But if you've got it in you to give a
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: volume over to the Articles of Confederation, no one ever
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: pays any attention to them or the terrible years between
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: victory and ratification. Do you think that's worth of volume two?
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: Oh gosh, you I don't know. I don't know. We'll see.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: I haven't given that any thought. I'll be honest with you.
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: But you're right. Why do we have the wonderful constitution
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: we have? And why does it have the shape it
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: has a lot of it has to do with the
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: experiences under the Declaration, Right, we went from everything being
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: centralized in the Crown, everything being decentralized under the Articles,
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: and we try to find a middle way in the Constitution.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: And there's a lot of lessons to be learned from
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: those experiences.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: For sure, I know a lot of your jurisprudence, but
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know it all. So I don't know if
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: you've answered the question the place of the Declaration in
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: understanding the Constitution. Had you right about that yet justice,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: Not as a matter.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: Of law, but as a person. I surely have spent
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: a lot of time thinking about that and talking about it.
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: It just seems to me the Declaration, whatever its status is, law,
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: is surely our creed right. We don't share a common
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: religion in this country or ethnicity the way a lot
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: of nations do, but we share our belief in the
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: three big ideas in the Declaration, that each of us
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: is created equal, and that all of us have unalienable
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: rights given to us by God, not by government, and
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: that we have the right to rule ourselves and can
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: do so, And that all those were really incredibly bold
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: claims in seventeen seventy six. I have to remember everywhere
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: else in the world was basically a monarchy, and Brits
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: thought we had declared to ourselves unalienable right to talk.
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: Nonsense is one newspaper.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: Put it as you quote. So I want to talk
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: about one before we go to the big names. I
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: want to bring up one more little name who I
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: had never heard of before, John Hart of New Jersey.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: And this is where the illustrator really meets the writers.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: John Heart of New Jersey is a plain, honest, well
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: meaning Jersey farmer with but little education, but with good
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: sense and virtue enough to discover the true interest of
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: his country. His wife died after he signed the declaration.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: He led a future his life hiding in caves near
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: his farm. You're illustrator does a wonderful job of that drama.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: How in the world did you find out about John Hart?
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: Well, as I say, Janie and I spent a lot
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: of time with primary materials and trying to go back
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: as far as you can.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: It's kind of fun, Hugh is when you get into
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: these stories, right, it's hard to know exactly what happened.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: There are different accounts, there are different letters, there are
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: variations on the stories in early American history. And you know,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: some of these are perhaps legend, but if they are,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: they're very, very old. And these stories have been part
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: of our country's understanding and history and old from very
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: very early days. So we've tried to be as true
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: to the most the earliest records that we were able
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: to find and yeah.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: Well I like that. On the very first page of
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: the book, you announced myths are uncertain and reliability. I
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: immediately thought of my high school Latin teacher, a wonderful
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: guy named Ron karen Bauer, who said, myths are stories
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: that are intended to be believed. And Nathan Hale's final words,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: that's a story that's intended to be believed, whether or
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: not they're actually his final words. So I appreciate that
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: you went with the myth, but that you told people, Hey,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: it's been two hundred and fifty years since we got
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: started here. Let's talk a little bit if we can
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: about the split in the Franklin family, because it's been
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: on some television shows. It's been communicated indirectly. If you
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: watched HBO's John Adams, Franklin's in France with his grandson,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: and there's an illusion made to William, but people don't
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: really it's split family down the middle.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and Franklin's a great example of that, right, I mean,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: his son William and he basically didn't speak after the
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: Revolution from much of the rest of their lives. I mean,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: it divided families. And Ben was deeply upset that his
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: son had not just disagreed with him fine, but had
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: joined a cause that aimed to kill his father and
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: to attack his good name. And it was incredibly distressing.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: And people today think we live in contentious times, and
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: I'm not here to argue about that. I'll just say
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: that democracies are always messy, and when people are involved,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: there's always disagreement, and certainly you see that in the revolution.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: This is eight years of suffering. This is patriot leaders
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: again were maybe forty percent of the population. Another twenty
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: thirty percent were deep, deep loyalists, and then a lot
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: of people just didn't want to get involved.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: My family are just irishman has showed up here after
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: the Civil War, so I got no claim on being
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: a Tory or a Patriot. But my wife's family went
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: to Canada. They were around from the beginning, and they
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: went to Canada the Wilbers, so we kind of know
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: that who lost and who won. You begin the book
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: with John Adams. You will never know how much it
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: costs the present generation to preserve your freedom. I hope
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: you will make a good use of it. Is Adams
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: your favorite of the founders? You close with he and
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: Jefferson and I'll get there. But you have to pick
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: someone to start the book with. Is Adams your favorite?
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: I can't argue with you. I mean, he's a difficult man,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: there's no doubt about it. But he knows he's difficult,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: which makes him kind of charming. There's a wonderful exchange
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: between him and Jefferson over who's going to write the declaration.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: There's really Adams was behind the resolution to declare independence.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: He was a rabble rouser. He was from Boston. They're
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: the ones who've been dealing with the British bombing and
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: massacring their town. And he was ready and he was
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: dragging everybody else along with him. But he and Jefferson
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: apparently had this discussion. As Adams later memorialized it, he
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: said to Jefferson, you should do it. Jefferson said no,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: you should do it. He said no, no, no, no, no, Jefferson,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: You've got to do it for three reasons. First, you're
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: a Virginian, and a Virginian should be seen as the
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: head of the business because it was the largest and
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: wealthiest colony. Second, I am obnoxious, suspected, and unpopular and
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: you are very much otherwise. And third, you can write
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: ten times better than I can. And Jefferson said, well, okay, And.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: Then you go on to retell that Thomas Jefferson consults
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: no books, no diaries, no pamphlets. It all comes out
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: of that magnificent brain that is Jefferson. All glory to Jefferson,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: said Lincoln, let's close by talking. Well, you should mention
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: Deborah Sampson gown at dressed as a man for over
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: a year to serve in Washington's army. Didn't know that.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: Didn't know about Mary Ludwig Hayes, who served her wounded
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: husband's cannon. Should have known about that. Didn't know about it.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many stories in the heroes of
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: seventeen seventy six, But you finished with Jefferson and Adams
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: becoming pen pals and dying fifty years to the day
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: after the expand on that a bit justice, because it's
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: always inspiring to remember.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is one you and I know, but
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: the little ones might not. So. Jefferson and Adams would
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: work together on the Declaration risk their lives through the
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: revolution together, became political enemies. They disagreed very strongly over
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: whether we should have a strong central government, or stronger states.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: And for years they wound up not speaking to one another. Again,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: nothing changes in our world, really, does it. You know,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: you disagree. But then as they're getting older, much older
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: in retirement, they strike up a friendship again. They start
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: writing letters back and forth between Boston and Virginia, and
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: that goes on for like something like fourteen years and
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty letters, including Jefferson consoling Adams on
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: the loss of his wife, Abigail, who meant more to
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: him than anybody or anything in the world. And if
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: you learn a little bit about Abigail, you understand why.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: And yes, so the book does close with those two
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: men and a little bit of their correspondence, very very end.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: And what's so remarkable is providential. I think the two
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: men died on the same day, July fourth, eighteen twenty six,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: the fiftieth anniversary of the declaration. They worked and had
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: more to do with inspiring than perhaps anybody else. The
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: two of them and their last words are in the book,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: and they move me deeply.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: If anyone had put it in a movie, no one
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: would have believed it. Justice And by the way, to
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: mister Ellison, the deathbed illustration of Thomas Jefferson is among
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: the equal of any in the book Heroes of seventeen
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: seventy six. How in the world do you promote a
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: book when you're a justice's frame court other than on radio?
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: Can you go anywhere to a children's book store? Is
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: that allowed under the rules of the court.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: I can go talk to kids, and I love talking
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: to kids, and I'm looking forward to being part of
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: the solution, perhaps a little bit, in our pacific education
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: problems we have in this country, and the book's giving
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: me a wonderful vehicle to do that.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: I hope you may it to every presidential library and
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: do a visit with each of them, because this was
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: a book for every American. Well done, Justice Gorsichen, thank
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: you for your time today. I appreciate it very much.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: You real pleasure to be with you. Thank you.