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lunch breaks? · From 9 to Mom

Catie Fitzgerald: Welcome back to From 9 to Mom. Danielle: where we discuss balancing the nine to five hustle with the beautiful chaos that we call motherhood. Catie Fitzgerald: And I just need to ask, what are you doing on your lunch break today? Danielle: What lunch break? Catie Fitzgerald: wish it was like a joke, but something Danielle and I have been talking about is like, remember when we used to have to like clock in and out for lunch breaks and like you had 30 minutes ⁓ you to like rush around and like, I thought it was so hard when I was at the office, like to like do something like had to sit there for 30 minutes or like I had to go run an errand and like do that. I listen, there's plenty of people that are still doing that. I feel like the world's moving a little bit away from ⁓ that, Danielle: Yes, yes. Catie Fitzgerald: I just am thinking about what I do now on a lunch break and it's really comical to me. Danielle: Yeah, and I think we need to normalize, like, moms taking a lunch break and not doing mom stuff or work stuff or wife stuff or house stuff. And I think that that's gotten so challenging because most a lot of us work from home now. And even if you don't work from home on your lunch break, it's like yesterday during my quote unquote lunch break that I didn't eat during, I ended up signing Colton up because if you don't sign them up within the window that they open, for two camps at the YMCA, which both only had one spot left. I missed Daisy's sign up for swim lessons because I just did Colton first, waited too long. You know, I did that. And then I called to make a doctor's appointment. And then I confirmed and updated my husband with the appointments that we have coming up this week. I sent him an email just to make sure in case he missed the cozy app and the calendar on the wall that we didn't miss anything. And I was sitting there laughing at myself because I have help. You know what I mean? I have help from people. So people who do not have support, what are they doing on their lunch break? I don't know. Catie Fitzgerald: honest, I have no idea. I'm lucky in the sense that everyone leaves my house every day. like, I'm finding that it's a little easier to be here alone. No, know no one's coming here till four today. Like I have the entire day to do what I need to do. And I have my like, thankfully now my office is separate from like, my main living space. I was working in my kitchen, that was so hard. I just stare at the mess and like, it would be so hard to get anything done. But now I'm finding like, this is so millennial of me to even be saying but I find it like I'm getting more anxiety having to go to the office now. And I never thought if you like one of those people like, I hate when I go I hate going to the everyone hates going to the office. Nobody likes going to the office. And if you are saying that you're joking or you just don't like to be Danielle: So millennial. Well, I am a little bit disabled in the way that like I do like, you know, I like the Catie Fitzgerald: You don't because if you liked going to an office you would go to an office right now. Danielle: Okay, truth. I feel like definitely miss some, ⁓ like the hybrid workspace. I would love to go to an office like two days a week ⁓ I had a dedicated desk. And I think that's the thing. Like I don't have a dedicated desk. I pay for ⁓ membership and I just love the convenience of having our, we have our docs, we have our monitors, we have all that. Logging it all, it's just a project and ⁓ anybody going to the office. It's a project. Catie Fitzgerald: Yeah. But still like right now when I go to the office, I have to bring my laptop, my chargers, my I travel with my mouse and all my stuff. Then I have to worry about packing lunch. Then I have to bring a snack or like Danielle: Exactly. Well, and that's truly another thing about lunch. Maybe we don't eat lunch on our lunch break because we can eat like the food is in the fridge. When you used to go to an office, when we were younger, we would go to the office or you had your 30 minutes. Like you did one of two things. You packed your lunch every day because you were on diet and you were trying to save money and be good. Right. Or two, you went with friends to nice to eat and you enjoyed yourself and had a social time. But that was your only two options. It wasn't like ⁓ could just Catie Fitzgerald: Right. Neil Grafitz. Right. Right. Danielle: go to the fridge whenever you wanted a snack. Like I had a cheese stick in my pocket this morning before coming in here that I ate like while I talk. So I don't need that lunch break in the same way, but I do think it's funny that like to think back to I'll never forget my first job was at ⁓ &T Bank and I was in a management development program and half the time you were like doing fun stuff with all the other MDPs and then the other half of the time you were at your assignment branch, right? Catie Fitzgerald: You That's Danielle: in my assignment branch, had to leave for the 30 minutes. They wanted you to leave for lunch because there wasn't a big break room or anything. I would go to my car and take a five minute nap. I call it the five minute refresh. I would sit in my car, set a timer and I could nap anywhere and I would sleep for straight up five minutes. Wake up so rejuvenated. If I thought about even thought about taking a nap, my brain would never shut off now. And I thought I was stressed then, but like clearly not because I could fall asleep and take a five minute nap. Catie Fitzgerald: you It's so hard to like think about that one, we have too much coffee in our systems now to like even be able to fall asleep to that like it affects differently. But yeah, like it's just you. That was always my problem when I'm currently still is my problem when I go to the office. I don't have time to put my like, lunch together. So then I'm grabbing an uncrustable a bag of pretzels. You know what I mean? Like when I'm home right now. If I do take the 20 minute break to go upstairs, I make a wrap. make a like something that's gonna be a little healthier of an option. Danielle: Yes, now we're making two kids lunches every morning. So I make both my kids and they don't eat the same thing. So now I have to make two separate lunches for the kids. Like there would be no way that I would make myself lunch. And when I do go to the office, I don't. Catie Fitzgerald: ⁓ yeah, you're like. you don't because then it's like, and then you're in the morning, there's no way to not be running late. Like, you could wake up at five and those people are still being like, writing rushing to the second. So like you're you're going through all of that and you're running late. The last thing is you eating right? Like we all know how that is. You're the last one that gets fed. So you just get the kids on. You're not going to send your kids without lunch. So you're going to go you're going to go and then you pick up something quick. But now I'm like, when I go to the office, I'm Danielle: And I already run late. Yup, the uncrossable that you're talking about. Catie Fitzgerald: doing, know, I'm able to focus on the tasks at hand, but then I'm like, I'm out. So I might as well go run and drop this off or go pick this up or like whatever it is to be running. I'm like, how do I go out to the office and then just come home? Like, no, even after. ⁓ Danielle: Oh, I 100 % agree with you. Well, this is millennial two of us, everything has to be so productive, right? So we can't just chill. So and then I always, I'm always to myself, I just have to go return something at Target, I will go in, I'll return it, I'll get a Starbucks, I'll walk out the door, I'll be back in 20 minutes. When's the last time you walked into a Target and you didn't peruse dollar spot and get lost? And then you see the sale sign over in bathing suits and it's almost Catie Fitzgerald: At least. At least. Danielle: pool season, I can't do it. get distracted so easily and then I'm always running even more late than I was before. Catie Fitzgerald: Yeah. Yeah. And then it's like your 30 minute lunch break turned into an hour if you're doing that at lunch, right? Or whatever, whatever time of day you're stopping. But when I'm home now, I'm like, okay, I, tried it because I'm in the basement fun. I go upstairs and I'm like, I'm to take this 30 minutes. I'm trying to be intentional about taking a break because you can get lost. And I'm like, okay, let me go upstairs from this time. And I'll do what I have to do. I'll start food. Oh, but the laundry is done. Let me go do that. Let me Danielle: think it's important. If you're like the Bing, run upstairs. Moferi was on that floor. Catie Fitzgerald: flip that over. Like, ⁓ the kids have this tonight, like, let's just get that set out, or let's get a bag packed to be ready for that. Or is there something I can prep for dinner that will make it easier when everyone's home so that we can spend it? And then you're like, shoot, it's an hour, like an hour's gone by and you still like waste that whole hour. then at least I was then I'm like, at least I was productive, like for the household and for being a mom and like those things. And now I can go get back to work. But it's just like, Danielle: Yes. Catie Fitzgerald: that could last off, I could be doing. Danielle: But then you haven't reset. I feel like I'm constantly running. Whenever there's a break and you work from home, it's not a break. It's a break from what you're doing in that moment. You transition into mom mode or like life mode then you have to switch back on. And especially with ADD, like that's such a difficult thing to do. I feel like I'm constantly switching tasks, working from home and having those breaks be productivity breaks. And was Catie Fitzgerald: Yeah. Danielle: can't remember where I was reading it, but I was reading something. And it was saying to make intentional time for yourself because we're always complaining that we don't have time to do things. But they say then go to your phone, look at your scroll time, and it'll tell you how much time you actually have, right? But don't do that if you're us. But regardless, if you did that, if you did, because remember, I started the five minute journal and I was so excited about at the beginning of the year. But these mornings have been insane. I've been sleeping like three and a half hours. I don't do it in the morning. And it's like, why don't I set a timer for myself and do my five minute, even if it's just five minutes, the five minute journal while I, you know, to get myself in the right head space, take a little time for myself. It's all about what you said. It's about being intentional. And I also think it's about having firm boundaries with yourself to say, okay, the timer went off. I'm going to ignore it. And if you ignore it for three days, it'll be a lot easier to ignore it on day four. And I know our brains aren't wired that way, but we should probably try for the sake of our sanity. Catie Fitzgerald: I know. right, though, in the fact of like, when you work at home, when I make my to do list, or your journal, whatever, ⁓ one, right? Like when I make my list here today, it's like personal stuff, this, podcast work, like what doctor's appointments to make, tracking this or like what that it's all together. If I go to the office, it's a little easier to be like, I'm going to just do this. But then I feel less productive because I'm like, Danielle: Yes, it's all in one book. Catie Fitzgerald: I gave, I didn't do anything else today. So now I have more work when I get home. Whereas when I'm home, I get everything done for the job, for the this, for the, you know, I feel like I got everything. And maybe it's just a phase of life I'm in with just like how busy things are that I'm just like feeling like this. ⁓ Danielle: No, I think that that's 100 % how I feel and I think that's why we get so jealous and I'm not trying to be mean about this. But I feel like I get jealous of Jordan that he gets to go away to work and his brain is fully on work mode, but he can't do anything for home. Right, like he could set up doctor's appointments and answer the emails and stuff, but he's in an office. People are watching him. He's constantly go, go, go. We are at home. So I can check my personal email really quick and shoot off that email without anybody noticing. So I feel like a little bit of resentment that I don't get to check out and be productive in one place. But at the same time, it's because of where I work. And then for me, like you said, today, you know nobody's coming at four. For me, Daisy comes home at one. She's gonna walk through the front door that I'm looking at. She's gonna, you know it, she's gonna come and she's gonna say hi. I've thought about moving my office upstairs, but then I have no natural light and I feel don't, I to. Catie Fitzgerald: I'm in a different dungeon here. It's okay. Danielle: But I know I'm sorry, shouldn't have said that to you. But it's one of those things where you're always trying to do all the things. And that's not even including the stuff we're talking about is like our to do lists and whatever. It's not the unexpected that happens throughout the day. Like yesterday, there were four unexpected things for Colton that happened, or I got emails or changes that I had to, within the 24 hours, had to respond to. Last night, I'm laying in bed with both kids because Colton and Daisy want me to put them to bed because Jordan has poison ivy. So Jordan can't do, I mean, it's bad. Catie Fitzgerald: Right, do something. Danielle: and don't want them giving it to the kids. So I'm like doing all this stuff, but it was the auction for Kingstown last night and I had to win the rock for December because if I don't get Colton's birthday, it'll be like the end of the world in our house. So they're like, what are you doing? I mean, I'm like, I'm getting the rock at 9 p.m. because if I don't get the rock at 9 p.m., I'll have to remember on the day the rocks get dispersed, which I'll probably be in a meeting and miss it and I'd rather pay the money to get the rock tonight than. Catie Fitzgerald: And then. Danielle: miss it when I'm working because what if I don't remember it's just so it's so much so your lunch is not lunch any longer. Catie Fitzgerald: there's so many things. Right. And then you, you have to remember to make all these things in the timing and the somebody's got to in the family or like what happened? I'd love to hear from people that both people are working outside the home. Like, when do you, this so like, I feel so like stuck up like saying this or like, you know, being that way, but like, everyone out of the Danielle: ⁓ my gosh. Sweet Space. Catie Fitzgerald: everyone out of the house. Like, it's got to be really hard to like get anything done. And you think back to like, our parents and I know we were in a little bit of different situations. But like, imagine if both our parents worked out of the house, you know, when we were growing up. Yeah. Danielle: Well, that's like Jordan's parents both worked out of the house. And I think like there were those families, we just weren't in them. So we were used to our moms like doing all the like stuff during the day. Like we watched them do that. But I do think that the one thing, and you're the routine girl, but as I'm like learning more about, you know, life, ADD, all that good stuff, I do think if you both work out of the house and you know it and it's every day, Monday through Friday, you build routines. Catie Fitzgerald: Mm-hmm. Danielle: so that that stuff doesn't happen. I think when one parent works from home or both parents or whatever, because we're like extra productive during our lunch breaks, any break, we taking a call, we can be taking a call and like folding laundry at the same time. Think about it. Like because of that, everyone's always expecting it to get done throughout the day. And I think that's sometimes where people who work from home, women or men, get frustrated because you're like, I've done so many things today. I still have so much more to do. Catie Fitzgerald: Mm-hmm. Danielle: But now it's the evening and everybody's home, but everyone expects me to be able to get this all done because I do get it all done right now. Catie Fitzgerald: No, that's 100 % valid. No notes. mean, we when I do laundry, like it's expected that it's done during the day, like we would never do laundry at night or on the weekend. Danielle: Yes. Because we do it, we've made it so that it's done during the day. So then when I'm not here. Catie Fitzgerald: we do. Yeah. Yeah. And I think the other point is, is like, I want it done too. Like, you know, I don't want to doing that on the weekend or that, like, I get it. So I think it's, you know, two way street, I suppose you always want what you can't have and you think it's worse on whichever side or you think you have it worse or that but Danielle: I'm great. I'm genuinely am grateful that I work from home and that I have the flexibility and that I can do this stuff. I think it's more about being intentional and setting up your priorities. Like I need to work out and I can't do it in the mornings the way our schedule is unless I do it at 4 a.m. and I'm not a 4 a.m. person. So that's not going to happen. I'm usually going to bed at like 3. So like that's not me. So lunch break would be a perfect time. I like to ⁓ Catie Fitzgerald: Yeah. You're not going to join the 4AM class? Yeah. Danielle: take a walk, or about intentionality and like forcing yourself to do it because all of these distractions are also excuses in some ways. And I don't mean that negatively towards me or towards anybody else, but there's always something else we could be doing. Catie Fitzgerald: You're like anything. Yeah. Yeah, it's about what you prioritize and make part of your routine. Danielle: And I'm not prioritizing that for myself. I also sweat like I've been like, if I walk or if I run, like I sweat like I just did seven continents in seven days on a marathon. And it's kind of embarrassing, but maybe I just need to get over that. If anyone has a solution for that, let me know. Catie Fitzgerald: You Yeah, I've never but like even in my prime, I was never a lunch worker outer. I prioritize food. Maybe that's why I am the way I am. like, I'm not gonna skip when I'm supposed to eat. I was never like an anorexic. You can't like girl like I was always eating, but I would just work out doubles. Like I was fine with that. Danielle: Neither because I sweat too much. I would totally work out at lunch. Yeah, you remember like working out? We were talking about this the other day. I would after work when I was in that program in Buffalo, because you would go out till four, I was at a networking event talking to people from Buffalo and people who married into Buffalo people. And they're like, you guys can party, you guys can do things that like I never thought were possible. And I was like, yeah, we would go to work all day. Then I would go to happy hour first. After happy hour, I would do back to back bootcamp classes at the gym. after having like two drinks and like nachos, right? Maybe. Then felt real good. Then you go do back to back classes. You go take a nap. You wake up at midnight and then you go, like we were prepping for motherhood. Cause then I would go out, everybody come over. We go out till four AM. Like I was ready when these kids came because of my training in Buffalo, New York. I was prepared. Catie Fitzgerald: Yeah. Hey, that's when you perform the best. tried and true. Yeah, you're like, I know how to, it's a special, special place. And yeah, it's a different lifestyle. That's for sure. Absolutely not. can barely work out like with like pre-workout. Like, I still don't have enough energy. ⁓ dry scooping pre-workout at 6 a.m. trying to like ⁓ out, but it's like, that's the only time I can work out is in the morning. Danielle: But now you can't do that at night after work. I had to do pre-work. I've... Catie Fitzgerald: if I don't wake up and luckily our schedule like that's just what's working for this month like talk to you next month. But like, yeah, you have to keep moving. But yeah, I remember thinking it was just so hard to like get to work by nine. And then like after work, I was just so tired. Danielle: I still think it can be hard to get to work by night for different reasons. Catie Fitzgerald: But different reasons, right? Like how many more things are you doing? And it's not from like, I'm tired, I woke up at 8.30. It's, I was getting kids out the door, like bringing people, there was traffic, there was this, that and the other. Danielle: Yeah, I feel like we've worked like 18 jobs before we even sit down at our computers. Catie Fitzgerald: I know. And then you're like, looking at other people that are like, and I can only imagine like, what people are saying about us now. Like, I remember, like, I vividly remember, like, working with other moms or parents and being like, they're missing the meet, like, they got to move my meeting again, or like, they got to do and like, you just don't understand until you understand. And then it's like, actually fun to work with other moms. And that because then when you when someone's like, Listen, I totally get it, you're like, I know they do because they already had to do this once this week or. Danielle: Well, and that's why I think we're so much more, we were raised like, raised, like our bosses weren't that much older than us. So they were millennials too. So they were in the same boat. One of my favorite bosses was a guy and I feel like he was really good at that because his wife was like always taking care of the kids too. And so was he because he was contributing, like they were both working and both contributing and he understood though her. So I felt like, but I remember thinking, I'll never forget when he turned 34. I was like, what? Ew. Not me. And I like vividly remember that birthday. Like, yeah, I'm way past 34. So let's just talk about that. And I remember thinking like, oh, they're not coming to happy hour because they have a soccer game. Lame. And now I'm thinking like, okay, I'll leave the house today at 4.15 because Colton has school of rock. And then I have to go, you know, grab Daisy because she has to practice her dance for tomorrow. Catie Fitzgerald: ⁓ god. 34 right now. Like I'll ⁓ But it's true. It's so true that you're like, their parents are sitting there being people are like happy hour at 515. And you're like, my kids already into their second baseball doubleheader that started at that 330. Like I have to go I'm late. Like I got to go and you're like and Danielle: Yeah, sorry, like I'll come back. Are you guys gonna be free at nine? I'll meet you back up at nine. But now the new generation's like, no, we prioritize sleep. That's important. Catie Fitzgerald: It's funny. And I don't know if anyone from Ryan's school listens to me. They all know I do a podcast. I laugh at his happy hours because we have I mean, our our business. Like ⁓ our happy hour and stuff. We do it in the office on an office day. Like it's during that we make it part of the day to just collaborate and it's kind of a working happy hour, which is great. We don't really go out. Nobody ever goes out anymore. But we all live all over. ⁓ But like Ryan, it's like everyone's there and it's all pretty much women and then a couple guys. And so like they go out to happy hour and they want to go get like cocktails or whatever. And like, it's definitely less now. He used to be one of the younger ones, right? And like be the one like planning the happy hours or like doing that stuff. They had a volleyball team. They had like kickball and like all this stuff. You know what I mean? Like there was all of those things. And then as like his group, Danielle: Yeah, and Ryan. all of that fun stuff. Catie Fitzgerald: became the like, ground, right? It's like, they can't make anything. He's like, honestly, I'm so tired. I don't want to go to this happy hour. ⁓ then now it becomes, ⁓ on where everyone lives, you know, like, having to travel for a happy hour is like off the table. ⁓ so like, ⁓ Danielle: the 30s club. Well, especially I feel like in Rochester, like here in Charlotte, we travel for everything. there's, but in Rochester, it's like, I'm on the West side. You're trying to tell me I need to go to the East side. 15 minutes? No. Catie Fitzgerald: Yeah. I don't want to, you want me to come downtown? You want me to go to Park Ave? Well, that's like, he'll be like these, the young guns in the school want to go out on Park Ave because they all live down there or like, or people that live on the East side will be like, well, stop there and then go. And Ryan's like, I'm not going all the way to Park Ave. It's like a 10 minute drive for people that don't live around here. It's like literally not park. ⁓ street parking? No, you can't be inconvenienced by anything. Like you are like, Danielle: And then I got to park. Yeah, but then you're like, then I got to find parking on park av like never. Catie Fitzgerald: any little hurdle is like not going to get you to participate in that. And these guys are done with school at like 350. So their happy hours can start at four. Danielle: It's a total... Like I was going to a work happy hour this last week and I left it with an hour. a, ⁓ a 30 minute trip. left with an hour because I was like, ⁓ traffic's bad. ⁓ I the house at five. I didn't get there till 6.15. So then you're like, I just drove an hour and 15. It was for work, so it was totally worth it. But like for funsies, like no, no thanks. Catie Fitzgerald: Mm-hmm. What am I doing? That's also something that I get really angry about is commuting. Like it really just gets me and my team knows it and people around me at the office and get it too. Because I'm driving away from the office to like go do drop off at school and do all this stuff. And it's really affecting me that because I'm a routine person. Like I used to be at the office at 8am. Like, because I could drop off. Danielle: Me too, it's one of my biggest like pain points. And that's. Well, yes, because you got, you wanted to get there early. I liked getting there early, having my time, because I need a minute to settle in. Catie Fitzgerald: get my to do list set up, like get everything situated. I could drop the kids early but now with school like year like the bus comes at 830 or like right now I can't drop Jack off till nine. And I'm like, it's killing me to just be like, but that's why I'm able to work out right now in the morning because then I can like get ready and he's a little bit older and not I'm not like feeding him and that so like it's a lot easier now but like then Danielle: Nein, me too. Catie Fitzgerald: So like I drop him at nine, then I have to travel 25 minutes to get to my office. Then we're there. And then on the days I have to do pickup, he has to be picked up at 2 30. So I'm leaving at two. Danielle: That's the part that like school drives me nuts. Like, thank God I got into the program that I needed to so he could stay at school because I think about these people, there are people still out there that we know that live in like Chicago or New York City. They're not actually living in New York City though, because they can't afford to live in New York City with kids. So they live an hour out. It's an hour and half commute each way and they have to do it. There's no choice. So they commute in and out and the people who are listening to us that live in these places probably hate us right now because we're like 15 minutes. You know, they're like, please give me a break. Yeah, they're done. So we give you credit. Like we see you and we can't imagine what it's like to be you because we know that you're going through the same things we are like that 230 pickup. Like what are you, what are you doing? Who's doing it? How do you do it? Like Catie Fitzgerald: If you're on your commute right now. They already turned us off. It's fine. How do you turn around and do it? I've just been to the point where like, so I was gonna, today's Tuesday, it's an office day for our team, but I had some things to get done that just make more sense for me to be home. Then I'm like, I'll go in Thursday, I'll at least be there one day. Oh no, Jack has a half day. So if he has a half day, that means pickups at 1130, I can't drop till nine. So he's there for two and a half hours. Danielle: Mm-hmm. Colton and Daisy have half days on Friday and I want to veto ⁓ half days. Like where do we get to vote and say no more half days? Because half days don't work for anybody. The teachers don't like them either. Catie Fitzgerald: You got to take it up to the top. The teachers don't, they have to stay most of the time the whole day anyway, so it doesn't matter for them. They're like, whatever. But it's all because of the requirements of how many, have to have the students in the building that day, which is frustrating. But it's impossible, which is why a lot of parents can't do the preschool stuff when it's two hours. I mean, I know people that can't do it. Danielle: Yes! Tell them. I was talking to another mom like that. They're like, it's at 10 o'clock. It's at 10. So now I'm supposed to go. And I actually was talking to the, she's a breast surgeon that I was talking to for oncology that I met at this event. And she was saying that they are currently touring kindergartens for their daughter. And they actually, there was a school they liked, but they didn't pick it because they were Catie Fitzgerald: How am I gonna get him there? Danielle: looking when they're looking for the school, they're looking to see what time are their events at? What time was their open house at? She's like all of their open houses and all the things for us to go to her were like at 10 11 in the afternoon. I'm a surgeon. That's not really convenient. The other place had early morning, late afternoon and like to me that matters because I want to be involved in my kids stuff and if the only time I can do it is 10 or 11 in the morning, I'm never going to be there. So that's like a whole nother Catie Fitzgerald: whatever. Yeah, it is though. And it's really hard to not put, because you obviously want ⁓ best for your kids and you're trying to do it, but like, ⁓ do you pay for before and after care for a 10 to 12 preschool program? Danielle: aspect to it. You can't, like, it's... I kept holding at, like, I picked a daycare that did educational stuff, that did a really great job because it made sense. With Daisy, I'm very lucky. Like, my mom does Daisy every day. My mom's not here this week. My mother-in-law flew in to help me. Like, I'm very lucky. Catie Fitzgerald: Like you might as well just keep them in the foot. it's like. That had stuff, You can do the part, yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that's, mean, we have to sit here and acknowledge it. And yes, 100%. Like when I'm talking to people that don't have that ability, I'm like, I'm really thankful that I have the flexible work environment to do it. But like, you gotta, I feel like Danielle: and not everybody's that lucky. but we're also creating that environment. Our work environment was not the environment we live in when we started. We built it. Catie Fitzgerald: Right. And I think too, that's where you are called, your calling's your calling of what you're going to do and what makes you happy. like, please, if you're a doctor, don't stop being a doctor because you want to take your kids somewhere. That's how I feel. It's like really hard to like balance all of this of like, well, wait, I'm a nurse. How do I? Yeah, like it's really hard to to balance that. And I feel like we've we're getting further away from it because of like Danielle: We need you. but we also want to give you like an award. Catie Fitzgerald: the switch from like really corporatey to our own things and gets a little different, but same different ways. Danielle: Yeah. Yeah, but if you like have a good lunch time, we always ask for advice at the end. And I was laughing because people are watching my vegetarian story, but no one's told me what to do yet. But if you are watching this or listening to this and you're like, we have a really good lunch routine or this is what we've done. Please share. Like we are not too proud to take advice or to be told we need to do something. Please, please, please let us know. But also if you can't figure out lunch, you don't eat lunch. You eat a Twix and a coffee around 3 p.m. Catie Fitzgerald: You Nobody has it right. Danielle: We're with you and we acknowledge you. Catie Fitzgerald: It happens. It's what we're all doing. So with that, it's time for us to clock out and clock back into the nine to five. Danielle: Until next time.