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Gene Borrello: Jersey Shore, John Alite, Fetty Wap & Sam Bankman-Fried (Part 1) · money loyalty legacy

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  And how old was he? My age, OK, I said alright, you
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  got that. I said OK.
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  I went back in my car. I went to Vinny.
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  I told Vinny. Vinny said goes go kill him when
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  you say him. Just like that.
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  No kill him when you say him. I tried to blow his head off in
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  broad daylight with a 357 snub by my social club in broad
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  daylight in front of everybody. St. man.
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  You know it was hard for me to do what I did.
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  I had a lot of respect, man, you know the guys talking into that,
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  but the real me, I looked out for everybody when they were in
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  jail. I did a lot lot for people, you
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  know, so when they see me, they don't call me and they know I'm
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  a nut. You're not going to just abuse
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  me, correct? We're fighting like you're going
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  to get a fight out of me if that's what you're looking for.
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  You know? I mean, so that's how I carry
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  myself. Only that I'll laugh with you
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  all day. We'll hang out, party, have fun,
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  you know? Yeah.
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  We were asking them questions just like, yo, you stole $10
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  billion, right? All right.
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  So I said, So what kind of car were you driving?
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  He said a Toyota Camry. I said, what kind of watch were
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  you wearing? He said Apple Watch.
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  This is what the did you still have like a gold yacht, right?
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  What up, guys? You might be wondering why we're
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  both wearing sunglasses today. It's an honor of the Hollywood
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  superstar. We have up next, Mr. Jean
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  Barello. We are keeping it gangster just
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  like Gene as all his videos blow up on YouTube.
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  So we're trying to get in Hollywood mode just for him.
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  Ross, take it away. The man, the myth, the legend.
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  He's alive and well, he's thriving and I got nothing.
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  Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Money Loyalty Legacy Podcast.
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  My name is Matt. Would you, boy the champ?
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  And today we have another special guest.
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  He's been here before. He is a best selling author, a
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  social media star, former enforcer of the Bonanno crime
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  family, soon to be a film star, an all around amazing,
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  incredible superstar media personality.
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  His name is Gene Borrello. What's going on?
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  Guys, what up? What up, What up?
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  Just so everybody knows, Gene said it was cool that we can
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  talk to him about everything, right?
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  Anything goes. And last time we were pretty
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  light hearted with the interview, right?
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  This time, like I, I, I got to hit you with some actual kind of
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  hard hitting questions this time around, like some serious and
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  I'm not trying to piss you off. You're not going to get mad at
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  all. Promise, man, this is a tough
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  one. Just do it.
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  OK, so you you know the fist, right?
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  Like if you see like a fist, like if you make a fist for a
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  lot of people it's like a a warning, right?
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  Like if you take the fist, if you like make a fist for the
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  camera show the camera yeah. And like hold it the side and
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  like go up like that. And now you're at the Jersey
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  Shore, right. Is that a real thing?
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  I've. Never done that, so just tell
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  everybody. Just tell everybody knows.
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  Like back when we were in college, Jersey Shark came out
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  and all that, all that. Like the gym?
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  Tan laundry. All we hated them.
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  Yeah, okay. Yeah, that's that's where we go
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  with that because like everybody, like when we were in
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  college, we were in Michigan, right?
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  Everybody was doing the fist pumping.
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  People had like the blowback hair and the.
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  Not us, you know. That's what I'm saying.
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  Like that wasn't really part of you guys this thing though,
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  right? Listen, it's crazy because so
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  many people say, oh, you got the Jersey accesses.
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  No, we don't. This is the Brooklyn Queens
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  accent. I says, yes, it's not Jersey
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  Shore. We have nothing to do with that.
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  We don't wear gels, spikes and fish, pump and break dances.
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  Yeah, we're carrying guns, masks and frigging Yankee hats.
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  Right? Totally different.
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  So that piss you off then? Oh, we hated it, right?
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  Really. We hated it, so there was nobody
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  doing any of that. Kind of stuff in our area, no?
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  No, no. Imagine a mob guy hanging out
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  Ronnie and Vinny with spikes and dancing.
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  That time they kill this guy, please.
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  Even like like your friends growing up or whatnot, you know,
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  I'm saying like. Nobody when we were younger,
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  maybe 1615, everybody was like, you know, maybe something of
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  that nature, but never to the point of that, like, yeah, now
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  it's just. Right now, you know.
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  OK, Yeah. So, so just everybody knows that
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  was fake. Yeah, that real Italians you.
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  Know there's no such thing, OK Yeah.
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  And you know, a lot of the Jersey Showcase members aren't
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  even Italian, right? You know that, right?
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  Most of them not even Italian. You'd mentioned that, yeah.
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  So who isn't? None of them.
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  Are only like 3 of them are actually in half, not even full
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  Italian and most of them are Irish on the show.
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  OK, what do you think about that dude?
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  The situation? Did he piss you off?
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  Yeah, honestly, like now I like him 'cause I, you know, I, I see
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  him now as a person. When he was first on the show, I
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  would baseball bat him in the street.
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  Like I, I hated him. Like, yeah, he's one of the ones
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  where Paulie D is the only one I'd hang out with.
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  Yeah, I would straight up just like hang out with him in the
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  street. He's a cool dude, you know what
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  I mean? If you ever actually run into
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  him. And no, I never.
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  Jay. Wow.
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  I ran into in Club Glow in Long Island.
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  She's a big girl. Really.
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  Oh, yeah, She's tall. She's up there.
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  And I ran into her in Club Glow 2012 and I was like, whoa, girl
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  back is wide like this. Yeah.
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  Damn. Yeah, she's pretty.
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  Yes, she is. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Yeah, we were fascinated by
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  that. Like what?
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  Like real Italians in New York actually thought about this,
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  because the rest of the world are thinking, seeing this.
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  I could tell you, I speak for everybody.
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  When I was that neighbor. What?
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  Hated it. Yeah, because people comparing
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  it to, like, Italians. Oh, yeah, Your body.
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  This guy doing the fit. I'm like, bro, we don't do that,
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  right? Go out to club, though.
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  Are you crazy? We're not doing that.
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  I mean, so it was bad for us. OK, now as far as like the
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  Italian culture, what would you say is a prominent part of it?
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  You want to be honest with you? Our culture was more like this
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  growing up. It's I'm going to be honest.
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  It was for lawsuits. Reebok Classics, Sergio Dekini,
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  like when we were younger, you know what I mean?
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  What else would be our culture? Italian, Like our food we're
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  known for like, you know, pastas, you know, anti pastas,
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  you know, our stuff, Super sada. You know, that's more what I
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  think of Italian culture, you know what I mean?
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  For the mafia, our culture would be violence.
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  That's what I think of. But as far as, like, dressing
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  wise, we all wore the lawsuits. We all wore the same outfit.
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  Pretty much everybody had feel of the laws.
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  And you know, Reebok, that was just the way we dressed, you
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  know? I mean, yeah, we never dressed
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  like, you know those guys. Yeah, how do you stay so jacked
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  when you're eating all this positive?
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  So I don't know. You know what?
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  I'm saying because that stuff catches up with you.
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  Real. Yeah.
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  I'll just say I think I think you're OK with the situation now
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  because, you know, you're over there on Instagram and flexing
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  those ants like this guy's Man of Steel over here, you know?
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  Honestly, at first, when I used to watch that show, I couldn't
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  stand him. Like I did watch a little bit.
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  I hated him on the show. Now he's a different person, you
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  know what I'm saying? I've seen how he, you know, he's
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  a lot different now. But back in the day, he'd be a
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  guy in the club of like blind side of this kid.
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  Hey, you actually you brought up last time, did you know a story
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  about that Ronnie guy, right? Yeah, You know, I had a lot of
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  friends in the Bronx and I guess when he started making money and
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  he got a little arrogant and cocky over there in the Bronx.
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  He was driving like a Ferrari over there and stuff like that.
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  Yeah. And he went into some tough guys
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  and got TK OED out cold. They knocked him out cold in
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  Bronx. When was that?
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  Probably 2012, I want to say 2013.
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  Around that time we heard about it in the neighborhood that he's
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  Spanish. He's not Italian at all.
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  He's Spanish. Yeah, he's Spanish.
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  He got knocked. Yeah.
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  Yeah, I'm saying no, this case is.
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  Holy. Full Spanish.
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  That's a fact. Yeah, yeah, he got knocked out
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  cold in the Bronx by somebody. Holy.
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  Yeah. So he's not even Italian
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  something. Dude, a lot of people.
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  Don't look. He's nothing of Italian.
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  She's not nothing. No.
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  Is that just play tanning? No.
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  No tan, no Italian enough. What is she?
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  Chili or something like that. Really.
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  Yeah. She was adopted by an Italian
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  family. She's not Italian.
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  How did you find all this stuff? I mean, we want to know because
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  we're getting aggravated that we're compared to these people
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  and none of them are Italian this.
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  Is the first time it's been brought up, Yeah.
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  J Woww's full Irish. Yeah, Vinny's, Vinny's full
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  Italian. Pull these half half and my
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  situation's full. I believe that's it.
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  OK. What do you think of like that
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  represents the Italian culture of the?
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  Cappuccino, all right. Al Pacino, definitely.
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  I mean, he's the man. That's it.
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  That's what I think of first actor.
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  Yeah. Cuz Robert Dino isn't Italian.
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  A lot of people don't know that. Yeah.
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  Do you think he is? He's not.
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  My grandfather goes. He's not even Italian.
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  My grandfather, he's not Italian.
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  He's German. He's to go or something like
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  that, you know? Cuz he's not you.
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  I always thought he was Italian. So my grandfather told me he's
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  not Italian. Yeah.
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  Yeah. He's played the roles, you know.
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  Yeah. Do you miss being in the scene
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  in New York? Do you miss?
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  Do you miss the area? This era, No.
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  No, not I mean. When I was younger, yeah, I love
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  New York. Now it's it's horrible.
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  Yeah. My neighborhood isn't even the
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  same. Everybody's dying of fentanyl
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  where I'm from right now. That wasn't even allowed when we
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  were over there. Yeah, if we were in the
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  neighborhood still, right, and the mob was still deep, like it
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  was let's just say 2003, even 2004, and we found out that
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  somebody selling a drug that's killing people, right, we would
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  beat him and tell him you have two options.
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  You're going to leave now or die now.
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  It's that simple. Like it doesn't happen no more.
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  There's nobody had to protect the neighborhood no more.
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  So all these kids are doing drugs with fentanyl and dying.
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  Why? Why would they chase them right
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  out? Yeah, there's nobody chased them
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  out. But like why?
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  Why would they even pick that in the 1st place knowing that it's
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  like heroin? Why would you just knowing that
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  it's going to kill you? You don't live one life, you
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  know. That's when I said I don't
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  understand it. And all my friends are dropping
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  like flies. Every kid I grew up with, that's
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  our age. I'll be 40 in June, right?
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  Yeah. Every kid I grew up with,
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  they're all dead, really. Not being shot.
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  Drugs. Drugs.
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  That's crazy because like with fentanyl, I mean it, you can do
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  it once boom. It sounds like a.
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  Little Dead. Yeah, it's not like, you know,
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  you're smoking crack for 40 years.
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  That's like, you know, you hit it once and you can drive.
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  That's it. It could be an Xanax, right?
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  Dead. You don't wake, it's insane.
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  You know it, it's sick and I I it bugs me out because I
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  remember when I was younger in Howard Beach, if Peter Dottie,
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  my Co defendant was one of the little Gotti kids, John Gotti
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  the third, and his father was like the toughest guy in the
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  neighborhood. Like he was brutal.
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  I always talk about that. He was you see his black
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  expedition, everybody. It's like Debo coming and was
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  like this. They just start running.
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  Oh, Peter's here straight up. That's how scared they were this
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  guy. And if he even seemed like a
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  weed bag. One time he found his son, found
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  the weed bag and they found out. Not that this kid Country sold
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  it. Country was about 6 foot 6 to
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  180 lbs. All of a sudden one day we're in
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  the park. We see like 7 calls of people
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  come. They locked the park down, all
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  of us in it because they want us to witness something.
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  Who's that? Peter Gotti Junior, Rogerio, the
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  whole, the whole clique, the whole Gambino clique, the Gotti
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  regime and all the kids, all the John Gotti senior, all their his
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  crew's kids, they all hung out together.
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  So they locked the park down. They bring Country into the park
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  where we all sit us down. Peter goes, I want you to watch
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  something. This is what happens when you
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  sell drugs in my neighborhood. They beat this guy so bad in
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  front of us. We were like 15, pummeled him,
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  screaming, beating him, three men and left him in a puddle of
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  blood in front of us. And this is what happens.
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  It's a nickel bag of weed. That's it.
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  And pummeled him in front of us. And just.
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  This is what happens when you sell drugs in my neighborhood.
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  Wow. And then I was like, I was
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  scared, but that changed. Everybody started going to jail,
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  but I left. It wasn't like that no more.
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  When we were coming up, you knew if you did something wrong in
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  that park on Howard Beach, you were getting a beat and you were
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  getting dealt with. Is no more of that everyone just
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  doing what they want, you know? Yeah.
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  It's changed so much. You know, the Mafia is obviously
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  bad, it's a criminal organization, but in a way they
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  control the area as far as keeping the gangs go wild,
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  right? There's Dr. Bys all over the
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  place. The mafia at least controlled
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  the area and they had morals. I guess you could say St. morals
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  or rules of conduct that street gang people didn't have right?
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  I agree with you, but there's always a bad seed.
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  There's always going to be somebody that's not going to,
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  you know, keep the neighborhood good.
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  But for the most part, that's what we did.
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  Yes. Yeah, You know what I mean?
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  We would get in trouble. Like I said, civilians.
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  You can't do that. You know what I'm saying?
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  You don't pick on harmless people.
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  That's not what we're about. Ronnie G We show against
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  bullies. If he found out you were a
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  bully, he was wrecking you. He'll get you beat up against
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  bullying. You didn't like that.
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  We're not like that. Yeah, we're very against that.
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  So that's gonna be shocking to a lot of people hearing that, you
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  know? Yeah, because they, they hear
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  about the violence, they see the newspaper articles.
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  And so it's crazy to think that, you know, this violent guy or
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  these violent guys hate bullies, right?
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  Ronnie, Ronnie would tell me like if he found out.
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  So you hit a homeless dude guy and you can't defend himself.
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  What are you doing? Are you?
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  He'll go crazy and he'll go after you.
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  Ronnie's hands on tough guy, he'll go after you.
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  You picking on homeless people do that to me.
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  Really. We were like that, you know, we
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  don't like that. You know what I mean?
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  People didn't know that. Yeah, it's very true.
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  I'll give him that. Man, he was so against bullying,
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  and so was I We're not gonna pick on some homeless dude.
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  You're gonna slap somebody. Look cool.
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  You know he's gonna defend himself.
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  Yeah, go slap. Someone's gonna defend himself,
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  right? Go slap Chris Kegdotter in the
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  face. See what happens to you.
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  Yeah, well, Bobby Gee or somebody, you know you ain't
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  gonna do that. Don't pick on somebody harmless,
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  you know what I'm saying? Did that go with civilians as
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  well? Yeah.
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  So it could be a civilian bully, but you guys would still.
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  Still step in, you know, because I remember one time I, I got put
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  in a in a bad spot. So Ronnie's son, little Ronnie,
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  he his father was gone and he's telling me make sure you look
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  after my son. He's at that age now where
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  they're getting little park fights and things are happening.
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  So I'm stressed out because he wants you to buy him street
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  bikes. I'm like, bro, you die on his
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  bike. I'm dead.
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  Like when I get your street bikes and I take the one with my
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  750, he's taking my car, sneaking off with it.
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  I'm like, bro, you're going to get me killed, man.
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  You got to just calm down. Anyway, so he's getting into
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  little situations and he got into a fight with a kid.
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  The kid was like 22 years old and Ronnie was like 1617 but the
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  kid was a herb. A bite herb What's?
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  Her like a punk. He wasn't really tough, but
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  Ronnie heard about it that his son kind of got into an
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  altercation. Now I was like, listen, I got to
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  handle it, but the kids are Herb.
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  I feel bad slapping this kid because him and Ronnie got into
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  a little situation and the kid was just like, I guess
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  disrespected him and whatever had happened and supposedly they
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  shoved each other. But the kid was older.
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  The kid wasn't like a tough guy. So now Ronnie wants me to beat
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  this kid up. I'm in a bad spot.
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  He's by beach from tan and salon and the end cross Bay and I'm
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  like, all right, let me just get this kid in the back.
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  I felt so bad, bro. I'm gonna say this to everybody.
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  He's in the driver's seat door. I wrote.
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  I knock on a thing. His face turns wise or loosely
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  fake, but he knows what? Of course, as you hit my
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  friend's son, you can see him like, And I had to jab him in
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  the head. I felt so bad.
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  He says, listen, I'm sorry, but I got to hit you.
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  You can't do that. Don't ever do that again.
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  But I'm sorry for doing this to you.
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  I don't want to hit you because I'm on a bully.
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  I was telling him, but I have to hit you.
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  You have to know people. You don't quit.
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  You know what I'm saying? I would say isn't that a weird
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  dynamic how like how life operates, you know, you have the
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  the mafia, but they're keeping the neighborhood safe from
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  outside garbage nowadays, However, they kind of now the
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  area isn't no one's really manning it anymore, right?
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  So. It's done, it's done.
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  It's a chaos now. There's nothing like when I tell
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  you there's no structure. You back in Two O 7 Park.
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  You couldn't come to the park unless you were from Howard
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  Beach. We check your ID, you're not
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  coming. Over there, as in the mob guys.
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  Like the neighborhood kids, okay, we were like, so together
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  we all hung out at 207 Park. That was like a nightclub
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  almost. We were all at that park, you
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  know what I mean? So it's just so different now
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  bro. Did you ever have like, street
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  gangs come around trying to come around like?
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  We had one incident where I tried to kill him, Nelson, Cruz,
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  Nellie, I tried to shoot him that.
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  What's What's Nellie? He was a crip kid.
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  A crip kid. So yeah, the the Crips came to.
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  Your 1 he was coming around. He got to the park.
• 15:19
  He was like robbing little kids in the neighborhood, really
• 15:22
  snatching their chains, doing screwed up.
• 15:24
  And the kids were coming to me. I just came home.
• 15:26
  I'm home six months. Yeah.
• 15:27
  And they're coming to me saying, Gene this kids.
• 15:29
  I says let me talk to him. I went to Vinny.
• 15:31
  I told Vinny goes go talk to him.
• 15:33
  Tell him to take that out the neighborhood.
• 15:34
  I went to go see him. He like wise off like this ain't
• 15:37
  the 80s. Like you don't run no more.
• 15:38
  Where were you at when you went and you went to go see him?
• 15:42
  To Ozone Park, to the village, That's where he hung out.
• 15:44
  So I went over to see him. I said, let me talk to he says,
• 15:46
  listen, all due respect, I said, you're coming into our area and
• 15:49
  you're robbing little kids. We're not with that, you know,
• 15:51
  just we ain't regular white people.
• 15:53
  You know what I mean? Like this is not like a a
• 15:55
  regular white community like you.
• 15:56
  Right, this is a suburb. This is a suburb, but like, you
• 15:59
  know what's in this suburb? Like, you know, you're coming
• 16:01
  over, you're disrespected. And my people are getting mad.
• 16:03
  And he basically told me like, he's with his boys.
• 16:05
  I'm not on Army. And he's like, this ain't the
• 16:06
  80s. You don't run no more.
• 16:08
  How old was he? My age, OK, I said alright, you
• 16:11
  got that? I said OK.
• 16:12
  I went back in my car. I went to Vinny.
• 16:14
  I told Vinny. Vinny.
• 16:15
  She goes go kill him when you see him just like that.
• 16:18
  Kill him when you see him. I tried to blow his head off in
• 16:20
  broad daylight with a 357 snub by my social club in broad
• 16:23
  daylight in front of everybody. He jumped to the ground.
• 16:25
  I thought I shot him in the head.
• 16:26
  I took off the bird. I never shot this guy a gun like
• 16:29
  that before. It's so loud and strong it sound
• 16:31
  like a bomb going off. That's like The Dirty hairy gun
• 16:33
  the but. I had to snub though not the
• 16:35
  long, but it was still so strong.
• 16:36
  It was like a hand can and I remember like it was yesterday
• 16:39
  and I was with somebody and I got cameras all over my club at
• 16:42
  by my social club and I'm more paranoid.
• 16:44
  I think I just blew this guy's head off and Long story short, I
• 16:47
  get out of there, I raised his hand.
• 16:49
  I just took his Mellon off. This note ends up happening six
• 16:52
  months later. He killed a cop.
• 16:54
  Really 22 year veteran? No, she killed a cop, so you
• 16:57
  never know who you're dealing with.
• 16:58
  But I chased him out of there. I got him out today, but he knew
• 17:01
  he was serious, right? I end up seeing him like a month
• 17:03
  later after he did that. I was sitting on him waiting
• 17:05
  where I catch this guy kept saying wherever I see him, I'm
• 17:08
  shooting him. That's why I'm told to do I'm
• 17:10
  getting him. I seen him by the club.
• 17:11
  He turned right into me like this.
• 17:13
  He's seen that Chrome thing right in his face.
• 17:16
  Yeah. And, you know, let us know we're
• 17:17
  not regular people, that you're gonna come in our area and
• 17:21
  embarrass and abuse us. But we don't have that no more,
• 17:23
  correct? That's gone.
• 17:24
  There's no more of that. You know what I mean?
• 17:25
  So. It's pretty crazy that somebody
• 17:27
  would have the balls to come to a mafia neighborhood and think
• 17:30
  that they can get away with that type of.
• 17:32
  They think it's washed up. That's why it's I know there's
• 17:34
  still the hell that's still there though, right?
• 17:36
  We would still like that. And I tell everyone that cuz
• 17:38
  everyone's like, oh, the mafia ain't the same, he said.
• 17:39
  Well, the micro and see if we're not the same.
• 17:41
  I just tell everybody that the mall bank the same Riley G's
• 17:44
  crew and see if we're not the same.
• 17:45
  I bet you'd be running for your life.
• 17:48
  It's that simple. It only takes, you know, a
• 17:49
  couple of people to change everything, you know what I
• 17:51
  mean? Do you think the fact that like
• 17:53
  the mob guys are clean caught? You know what I mean?
• 17:57
  Good looking dudes, you know, well shaved, well dressed, take
• 18:01
  care of themselves. Do you think the appearance
• 18:03
  factor presented to the public is the reason why a lot of
• 18:08
  people, they look at you guys in a different light than they look
• 18:11
  at a street game with the the face tattoos and all the other?
• 18:14
  Do you know what I'm saying? Like of course you guys present
• 18:17
  yourself differently, right? Like.
• 18:19
  Yeah, it's like without hoodlums, you know what I'm
• 18:20
  saying? They're not, they have their own
• 18:22
  thing, you know, they're not structured.
• 18:23
  They have no organization or like or they're not organized at
• 18:26
  all. Yeah, they use the free fall
• 18:27
  over there. They're over there just
• 18:28
  shooting. They'll do a drive by and shoot
• 18:30
  everybody but the person. Yeah, kids getting shot,
• 18:33
  everything. So that's not how we operate.
• 18:34
  And I mean, I mean, that had happened to me before by
• 18:37
  Albanians that we had spoke about that, and they made me do
• 18:39
  the same thing back because of what they did.
• 18:41
  You know what I'm saying? But we don't operate like that
• 18:43
  usually. Yeah.
• 18:44
  I mean, the tattoos on our face, you know, we're supposed to be
• 18:46
  clean shaved at all times. Yeah.
• 18:48
  You're with a wise guy in a crew.
• 18:49
  You're in a restaurant. There's no beards like we have
• 18:52
  now. That's not allowed.
• 18:53
  Why is that clean shave? It's just a time thing.
• 18:55
  They're they're rules, OK. It's the way I want you clean
• 18:58
  shaved. You know what I mean?
• 18:59
  You know, and I see yelled at a lot because I dress like a
• 19:01
  little bit of a rapper. My swag is a little you do not a
• 19:05
  rapper, but my swag is like not like theirs a little bit like
• 19:09
  they're wearing suit. You know, the older guys wearing
• 19:10
  suits, like when I got older, I'm wearing like Dior, you know,
• 19:14
  I'm dressed in like a little different.
• 19:15
  They didn't really like it, you know what I mean?
• 19:17
  I was dressed in more like like up to date with fashion.
• 19:20
  You were just changed. You were to a different era,
• 19:23
  right? It was just a different.
• 19:24
  Type of Ronnie. Like what the is that?
• 19:26
  Like what? He's a Gucci shoes rapper.
• 19:30
  Big Bezel, What do you think you 50 said used to go off from
• 19:34
  high. Whatever, get a gold
• 19:37
  presidential. No diamonds.
• 19:39
  Yeah. It's too flashy, Yeah.
• 19:41
  What did you think when you walked around the city?
• 19:44
  Could you tell somebody who was a mob guy based on how they
• 19:46
  presented them something, how they dressed and whatnot?
• 19:48
  No, but if I talk to them, it's very easy lingo because once you
• 19:52
  catch all. Where you from?
• 19:53
  I'm from Middle Village. All right, we start talking,
• 19:55
  blah, blah, blah. Oh, who you hang out with over
• 19:57
  there? I hang out with so and so.
• 19:58
  Oh, you hang out with them? Yeah.
• 19:59
  Oh, I hang out over here. Boom.
• 20:01
  It's it's simple. OK.
• 20:02
  You basically telling each other we're around somebody.
• 20:04
  So you don't think you don't go to places and you're like think
• 20:07
  that guy look dresses like a gangster or something like.
• 20:09
  I mean not. Even you, for example, the week
• 20:12
  you never were like trying to look like a gangster.
• 20:14
  No, I mean the neighborhoods, you know, when you go in certain
• 20:16
  neighborhoods. Yeah.
• 20:17
  When you go into places, you know that.
• 20:19
  I know what's what. You know what I'm saying?
• 20:21
  Yeah. No, I can't pinch somebody out
• 20:22
  by their clothes, you know what I'm saying?
• 20:23
  No. Back in the day, actually, in
• 20:25
  the 80s, you can. In the 90s, more.
• 20:27
  Yeah, more 'cause they wore three piece suits.
• 20:31
  I saw my grandfather. How do you chase somebody in tap
• 20:33
  shoes? Cockroach killers, all that
• 20:37
  these things and suspenders. I'm like, what the I could never
• 20:43
  dress like that. You might do in a baseball bat
• 20:45
  chasing the guy with with tattoos on.
• 20:49
  We will say though, there are guys on social media that try to
• 20:52
  play the part of a mommy. There's some fat dude like Big
• 20:55
  Joe or something like they they. Which one is that?
• 20:58
  There's so many out there. One of them, but you know, they,
• 21:00
  they dress like, you know what I'm saying?
• 21:03
  Like overboard trying to see. How I dress right I come yet
• 21:06
  right Jordan ones all style clothes.
• 21:08
  I would never win a like cartoon character suit.
• 21:11
  That's not me. That's, we call that the
• 21:12
  gangster * OK. Yeah.
• 21:13
  And that's what it look like. Yeah.
• 21:15
  Look at the guy, Ramadi. I was saying, Francis, he has a
• 21:17
  cigar in his hand. It's not lit.
• 21:18
  It's never lit, OK. He has a lawsuit on from the
• 21:21
  80s, I swear to God. And he tells these ridiculous
• 21:23
  stories and it's like, it's it's outrageous almost some of the
• 21:26
  guys they're coming out with as they just want to be like out
• 21:29
  there knowing Meanwhile, we've really been through this stuff.
• 21:31
  So it gets us mad for the real ones that really do this stuff.
• 21:34
  And this guy's the one. He killed the pulp.
• 21:36
  He did this. He's on Vlad TV talking all this
• 21:38
  nonsense and, you know, it gets us all met.
• 21:40
  Like the guys that are really a part of this.
• 21:42
  You know what I'm saying for sure.
• 21:43
  So I, like I said, the ones that I know that are valid is the
• 21:47
  ones that I talk with and hang out with.
• 21:49
  We were on Rico indictments. We were on federal cases.
• 21:52
  We cooperated. We gave profits.
• 21:54
  That's the only way you could admit to murders on TV.
• 21:57
  Yeah. You can't just go, oh, yeah,
• 21:58
  hey, I killed so and so I killed this guy.
• 22:00
  The feds will be like, wait, that's not solved.
• 22:02
  Go lock him up. It's like it's not rocking, you
• 22:05
  know what I'm saying? You did proffers and you get
• 22:08
  coverage for all your crimes. That's why I could sit here with
• 22:10
  you today and say I shot so and so.
• 22:12
  I killed this guy because I got coverage on it.
• 22:15
  Correct. Now people do know and might not
• 22:17
  know what a proffer is. Just briefly explain that.
• 22:19
  So if they don't, they don't know.
• 22:21
  I'll break it down for them so they can understand when guys
• 22:23
  are foolish and they're not. When you, let's say, use the two
• 22:26
  prosecutors, whatever, I'm going to sit with you.
• 22:28
  We're going to sign a contract. Everything I tell you is
• 22:31
  covered, which means you cannot use it against me.
• 22:34
  So I could tell you I shot 97,000 people, I killed 100
• 22:37
  guys. I get coverage on it.
• 22:39
  You give them the names, the details, they go investigate it,
• 22:41
  make sure it's real. You plea out to your top
• 22:44
  charges. You go in front of a judge, you
• 22:46
  have to talk to a federal judge and you plea out to all your
• 22:49
  crimes and you have coverage now.
• 22:51
  Then after you you help the government and the your case is
• 22:55
  over you go and get sentenced by a federal judge and then he will
• 22:58
  sentence you. Your guidelines will be
• 22:59
  outrageous, but because you have a 5K letter, they can now give
• 23:03
  you anything they want from one day to 100 years.
• 23:06
  You never know what you're going to get.
• 23:07
  It's up to the federal judge. So that's why I could come on TV
• 23:10
  and say, yeah, I killed so and so.
• 23:11
  I did so and so because I already profit on it and I gave
• 23:14
  coverage. If you never had a Rico
• 23:16
  racketeering case, if you never sat with a prosecutor, you
• 23:19
  cannot come on TV and say, I shot this guy, I killed this
• 23:21
  guy. I did this because the feds
• 23:23
  would go, go see where those are.
• 23:25
  That's unsolved. Go lock him up when he walks out
• 23:27
  of a live TV's office. Correct 100.
• 23:29
  Percent. That's it.
• 23:30
  It's that simple, you know what I'm saying?
• 23:31
  So it's common sense that he's full of shit, and a lot of guys
• 23:34
  are. The real ones is the ones that
• 23:36
  are from the five boroughs mostly.
• 23:37
  And we're on racketeering cases where you could look us up, even
• 23:40
  John Panisi, me, Anthony Arolotta, my cousin Anthony,
• 23:43
  Dominic Sakali, Sammy the bull, Mike Francis, Johnny, a light
• 23:48
  hoodie. We were on Rico racketeering
• 23:50
  cases with murders, robber, you know, the whole 9 yards.
• 23:53
  Pled out to it and got coverage on it.
• 23:55
  That's why we can talk in the public, OK?
• 23:57
  And that's it. There's no other way around it,
• 23:59
  correct? OK, Speaking of John Elite,
• 24:02
  yeah. Do you guys ever go out together
• 24:05
  all the time? Like say you go out to clubs and
• 24:07
  stuff. Yeah, restaurants.
• 24:08
  Everything. Break break it down for people
• 24:10
  like that or listen at home like you guys Mackin on women like
• 24:12
  all over the club like they they talk about like what you guys do
• 24:15
  and like. During COVID, we were doing the
• 24:16
  show right. There was still some restaurants
• 24:18
  like that were starting to open up again.
• 24:20
  So we'd be out in the nice restaurants in the city of time.
• 24:23
  And the young women love him. Yeah.
• 24:26
  They think he's so good looking because when I when my mom and
• 24:29
  them were all younger and my Aunt Connie and they all hung
• 24:32
  out and they used to say like all the girls went crazy over
• 24:34
  him. Yeah.
• 24:34
  That he was like, you know, all the girls, you know, were in
• 24:36
  love with him. And it's still the that weights
• 24:38
  that he's 62 years old and all like this 25 year olds like, yo,
• 24:43
  he's hot. And I'm like what the?
• 24:44
  No, no. So like when you guys go out,
• 24:47
  are you, like, drinking together?
• 24:48
  Like, are you mad on women? Like, yeah.
• 24:50
  Talk about like describe the night that John and Jean go out
• 24:53
  to like a nice restaurant. Yeah, hang out, you know, a lot
• 24:55
  of people. And, you know, he's a very
• 24:57
  recognized face. Like I'm recognized, but not as
• 24:59
  much he is because he's he travels the world and does this
• 25:02
  stuff. So he's very recognized.
• 25:03
  He's he's probably got hundreds of millions of views on the
• 25:06
  Internet. Yeah, where I'm at, like 30-40
• 25:08
  million, which is still a lot, you know what I'm saying?
• 25:09
  But he's like very recognized. Yeah.
• 25:11
  And I mean, so where he goes, people really, oh, Johnny Eli,
• 25:14
  like they know exactly. You know, he was all over the
• 25:16
  newspapers every day when he was testifying.
• 25:18
  You know, I mean, that was like a huge trial with John Junior,
• 25:21
  right? You know, so like I said, when
• 25:23
  you go out, a lot of people recognize.
• 25:24
  So people are coming up to you guys, absolutely.
• 25:26
  Those pictures, you know. Yeah bro, I I remember I was
• 25:30
  getting. Pictures, pictures, autographs.
• 25:32
  Yes, really, that's what the government was getting mad
• 25:34
  about. Could you blame them?
• 25:37
  No, honestly. I mean get glorified autographs.
• 25:41
  My mother even said they actually take a picture of what
• 25:43
  your shots about. It's sick.
• 25:46
  Come out. They're like, this world is
• 25:48
  dumb. Oh, wow, John, you love.
• 25:50
  You shot this guy in the hand. Oh, my God.
• 25:53
  I love you, man. That's so awesome.
• 25:57
  Wow. You hit him in the head with a
• 25:58
  meat cleaver. Oh, my God.
• 26:00
  And there's a little weird dynamic.
• 26:03
  Yeah, it is. But we heard each other.
• 26:05
  But I understand people glorify the Mafia and you know, like it
• 26:08
  says, you know, they love these stories.
• 26:10
  You know, people eat them up. You know, they love it and it's
• 26:12
  true stories and they know the ones that are true or not.
• 26:14
  Every message I get is always like genius, so genuine.
• 26:17
  The things you say, like you mean the guys from the
• 26:19
  neighborhood, they'll message me on the low, Yo, I remember that.
• 26:21
  You know, that was so funny, you know what I mean?
• 26:23
  So they know the real ones and the fake ones.
• 26:25
  And for the most part, Johnny Eli, and I'm not just saying it
• 26:28
  because he's my friend. When I was growing up in that
• 26:30
  neighborhood and Hoodie, you could take anyone's grow up in
• 26:33
  that neighborhood, people were absolutely terrified of him,
• 26:36
  terrified of him. And he wasn't even Italian.
• 26:38
  He was with the Mafia, but he was extremely feared.
• 26:42
  And when I tell you shootings, I mean, I don't even know how many
• 26:46
  people he shot. It's like somewhere in the 40s.
• 26:48
  I don't it's a lot. So his work was known and he
• 26:51
  gets knocked a lot because you know, the Gotti family, they're
• 26:54
  a very big name and they try to make him look like a liar, you
• 26:56
  know what I'm saying? So.
• 26:57
  Now, when they say he was just out, did he carry himself?
• 27:00
  Because he seems like he's very charismatic and it was cool.
• 27:03
  Seems like, you know, it was coffee and stuff.
• 27:05
  Obviously when he was in that life and he knew that he had
• 27:08
  that presence, right? When he was out with people, did
• 27:10
  he still joke around and have fun?
• 27:12
  But people knew like, hey man, I'm not going to brush the
• 27:14
  Heather round. I mean, that's what all of us,
• 27:15
  this is the thing at the end of the day, like we'll hang out
• 27:17
  with regular people, but then they always dig in the back of
• 27:19
  their mind, well, this guy is a killer.
• 27:21
  Just because you cooperate doesn't mean like abracadabra.
• 27:24
  Now you're not a murderer no more.
• 27:25
  You know, OK, I even told everyone I said, you know, we
• 27:28
  still, we still have our balls, which is not like doing that no
• 27:31
  more. But you're not going to abuse
• 27:32
  us. And everyone kind of knows that,
• 27:34
  you know, I mean, like we're cool.
• 27:35
  I'm I'm super down there. You would never know I'm a bad
• 27:37
  guy until I'm mad. I'm usually just hanging out,
• 27:39
  smiling, laughing. But I'm not letting nobody abuse
• 27:41
  me. And when you try to abuse them,
• 27:43
  you'll see the lunatics come out of us.
• 27:45
  When you try that, nobody's going to.
• 27:48
  Nobody's ever walked up to me. Oh, my grandpa's gave me says
• 27:50
  you're a rat to my face. It's not been done yet.
• 27:53
  I've seen guys that know me from that past life and they
• 27:56
  literally like this to me. Like other mob guys Like mob.
• 27:59
  Guys, Oh yeah, there was one. I can't say.
• 28:01
  And like I won't put his name out there.
• 28:03
  Like he literally looked at me and just like.
• 28:06
  He loved me. What meaning what though?
• 28:07
  Like. What, like I can't say hello to
• 28:09
  you, but like, you know what's up?
• 28:11
  I loved you. Like, you know what I'm saying?
• 28:12
  And you know, like, not like you and my boy, like, you know, you
• 28:14
  were a good mother. I was a good on the street, man,
• 28:17
  you know, it was hard for me to do what I did.
• 28:18
  I had a lot of respect, man, you know, the guys talking into
• 28:21
  that. But the real me, I looked out
• 28:22
  for everybody when they were in jail.
• 28:24
  I did a lot, lot for people, you know.
• 28:25
  So when they see me, they don't me and they know I'm a nut.
• 28:28
  You're not gonna just abuse me, correct?
• 28:29
  We're fighting like you're gonna get a fight out of me if that's
• 28:31
  you looking for, you know, I mean, so that's how I carry
• 28:34
  myself on that I'll laugh with you all day.
• 28:36
  We'll hang out, party, have fun, you know?
• 28:38
  Yeah, Speaking of fighting, we were talking about this as well.
• 28:41
  Did you ever train in anything like boxing?
• 28:44
  Karate Kid what I did karate as a kid, but.
• 28:46
  Is that like your base of like learning how to fight?
• 28:49
  Because like a lot of guys, they don't know how to fight.
• 28:50
  I'm not just saying like, not that everyone has to be a boxer
• 28:53
  or martial artist, but some people, they just don't have it,
• 28:56
  you know what I'm saying? They don't have to throw a
• 28:57
  punch. Like how did you get?
• 28:59
  It well, I was an athlete, so I throw a baseball. 85 miles an
• 29:02
  hour all about. I throw a football over 55
• 29:04
  yards. I could do it for you whenever
• 29:06
  you want. So I have a really strong right
• 29:08
  arm. I don't have a good left.
• 29:10
  I have a really hard right. So if I hit you with my right
• 29:12
  and you stay up, I'm gonna pull a weapon out.
• 29:16
  All right, So that's it. I have a hard right and I'm
• 29:18
  willing. You know what I'm saying?
• 29:20
  That's what it's all about. Like I, I I'm not saying I'm
• 29:22
  gonna be the, I'm this great fighter, but I'm not backing
• 29:24
  down from you and I'm gonna fight you.
• 29:26
  It's that mentality. It's that mentality and I am
• 29:28
  most of the time gonna use a weapon like in jail scenarios.
• 29:32
  I don't wanna take a loss. So I'm I'm going to use some.
• 29:35
  I'm gonna try to use some on. You what age was your first like
• 29:37
  real fight where you're like? Young like how 1011 we were
• 29:41
  fighting in school got real one, but I've been fighting since I'm
• 29:43
  young. So you came up just swinging?
• 29:45
  Yeah, just swinging. I've lost a lot of fights.
• 29:47
  Yeah, I'm saying this is not like I never lied to nobody.
• 29:50
  Like I'm 37 and all what I mean, that's a lie.
• 29:53
  I'm saying I I lost multiple fights.
• 29:55
  A lot of dudes, just regular guys out there are afraid, are
• 29:58
  afraid to fight. You know what I mean?
• 29:59
  Like it's just a general like all guys are afraid to fight,
• 30:01
  you know, I mean, never been a fight before.
• 30:03
  They just go through their whole life, you know, never knowing
• 30:06
  what it's like to be in a violent, serious situation, you
• 30:09
  know? I mean, they don't know how to
• 30:10
  throw a punch, you know? Only one thing I could say.
• 30:12
  I never been knocked out. Yeah, I've been dazed.
• 30:14
  I've never been, like, snored. Yeah, knocked out cold.
• 30:16
  I never, never had that, not even in jail.
• 30:19
  Even when you were jumped. Yeah, never been knocked out.
• 30:21
  How did you you got to defend like no, I just.
• 30:24
  Got lucky, I guess. They didn't hit me in the right
• 30:25
  spots. I was woozy, but I know it was
• 30:27
  like out cold. You know where they had to get
• 30:28
  me, You know what I'm saying? Nothing like that.
• 30:29
  And I've seen people get knocked out like that, but.
• 30:31
  You know, in your book you talk about how you were the leader of
• 30:36
  a group of guys in in prison. Right.
• 30:38
  Yeah. How did you get to that like
• 30:40
  leadership position? And then also, was there a lot
• 30:42
  of fights that you had to deal with in there?
• 30:44
  So look, in the situation when you're on Rikers Island, right?
• 30:47
  It's like, and no white people really.
• 30:49
  So when you get a dominant white guy in there, which I'm not
• 30:52
  really considered white, I'm more, you know, we're Italian,
• 30:54
  so the gang members respect us. So when I got in there is like
• 30:58
  Indian guys, harmless guys. And I grabbed them and told them
• 31:02
  I'll look after you. You know what I mean?
• 31:04
  And that's how. How do you do that?
• 31:06
  Like what do you mean you? You so I already made a name for
• 31:09
  myself now I'm facing life in prison.
• 31:11
  I already did some pretty bad things to people in that so that
• 31:15
  I had the reputation. I'm sitting up for a long time,
• 31:17
  I'm facing a over time and these kids are coming and getting
• 31:19
  picked on. And I told him, listen, you're
• 31:22
  going to sit at my table. You're going to do what I tell
• 31:24
  you. Don't talk to these guys.
• 31:26
  Don't touch the phone without permission.
• 31:27
  I'll tell you when you can get on.
• 31:29
  You're in a Wolves den right now, basically.
• 31:31
  Just sit there, shut up and listen to me and you'll survive,
• 31:34
  you know what I mean? And that's how it happened.
• 31:36
  And, you know, I pretty much steered them through.
• 31:38
  And this is anybody like Indian? Guys, that ain't gang members,
• 31:41
  because remember, it's ran by Bloods, Cribs, Latin Kings,
• 31:43
  gangs, and these kids can't even get on the phone.
• 31:45
  Yeah, they can't touch the phone.
• 31:47
  They can't sit in a chair. And, and everybody's respecting
• 31:50
  your word. Yeah.
• 31:51
  What's the name of the group? That you it wasn't a group.
• 31:53
  It was in the book you'd mentioned something though,
• 31:55
  right? You were the like, the leader of
• 31:56
  like. It was like the attack.
• 31:59
  So basically I was the only mob guy there.
• 32:00
  So like, I just took control over all.
• 32:02
  Like the Five 50s, You want to call them New 5?
• 32:05
  That's what they call the Five 50s.
• 32:06
  That's what the gangs call them. That means then they're
• 32:07
  independent. They're nobody.
• 32:08
  OK, So I grabbed them on and put them on me because they were
• 32:12
  generally getting abused. Yeah.
• 32:13
  They couldn't go to the store. They couldn't keep that
• 32:15
  commissary. I'm like, yo, leave these kids
• 32:17
  alone. They're hanging out with me.
• 32:19
  And I took them. So you're like a one man army?
• 32:21
  Yeah, everyone's like. Respecting me because I hate, I
• 32:25
  hated the Latin Kings. I hated them because they were
• 32:27
  trying to recruit Italian people.
• 32:29
  I says bro, you're an Italian, why are you trying to become a
• 32:32
  Latin king? You're looking for protection.
• 32:34
  I said just be yourself bro. Like you're, you're looking for
• 32:37
  protection. And Long story short, I started
• 32:40
  fighting with them. One kid, I cleaned them, beat
• 32:43
  them all over the place, knocked his teeth out, everything.
• 32:45
  So they respected me for that. Now the blood start taking my
• 32:48
  back 'cause I'm like yo I'm outnumbered I need your help
• 32:50
  but. Why the Bloods?
• 32:52
  The blacks just like me, I don't know was I guess it was my I was
• 32:54
  in the newspaper, you know, mafia guy.
• 32:56
  They all want to get down with you, work for you.
• 32:58
  So I the bloods like really respected me just.
• 33:01
  Just because of that. Yeah, they're like, yo, I want
• 33:03
  to work for you. Yeah, of course.
• 33:05
  When he seemed to pay me all that money, that's what happened
• 33:09
  with that. And then, mind you, I'm facing a
• 33:11
  lot of time, so I don't have a conscience at the time because
• 33:14
  I'm like, all right, you're not letting me get on the phone.
• 33:17
  I'm not touching this phone. What are you facing?
• 33:19
  Five years? I'm facing 1000 years.
• 33:21
  I'm going to get on that phone. I'm calling my mother.
• 33:24
  I'm going to break the phone, right.
• 33:26
  You know, I'm saying, and that's where it became when I go this
• 33:28
  kids, the real deal, you know, like he's a real, he's not a,
• 33:31
  you know, not a slouch. And then that's how I got my
• 33:33
  reputation. Ragazon.
• 33:34
  What about like, you know, people see movies like American
• 33:37
  History actually, you ever seen that movie?
• 33:38
  Yes. Were you ever worried, worried
• 33:41
  about like that those Skinhead Nazis in there at all or?
• 33:44
  When you go to the feds, they're in there.
• 33:46
  Yeah. I personally hate them.
• 33:47
  Yeah, I didn't get along with them in the state.
• 33:50
  They're not in there. And Rikazon, if they have a SWAT
• 33:52
  sticker on them, they can't take their shirt off.
• 33:54
  Yeah. Any racist stuff in Rikers
• 33:56
  Island, in New York, you can't survive.
• 33:58
  You have. You can't.
• 33:58
  They'll be. Were you ever worried about it
• 34:01
  though? Like just knowing that you go to
• 34:02
  federal prison. I was in the feds and I had many
• 34:05
  altercations with them. I didn't really, Yeah.
• 34:06
  I didn't get along with them like physical because they're,
• 34:09
  they're hillbillies. Yeah.
• 34:10
  And you know, they just don't like us.
• 34:12
  Yeah, You know, they're totally different.
• 34:14
  Could you break that down like? They got chewing their mouth.
• 34:16
  They wear like big boots. They look like idiots a lot.
• 34:18
  I mean, I'm saying we just don't fit it with them.
• 34:21
  This swag is in the basement. They have another daughters like
• 34:23
  they hate everyone hates New York and the feds because they
• 34:25
  say we're arrogant, we're cocky, like we start everything the
• 34:28
  styles. So they really don't like New
• 34:30
  York, but we're we're the most dangerous car.
• 34:33
  It goes by cars and the feds. What's the car state?
• 34:37
  OK, so everybody's with their own state.
• 34:38
  OK, OK, I got it. So even if you're on Blood,
• 34:40
  you're not with the Blood, You're you're on car.
• 34:42
  So all the Bloods and the gangs and the Italians and the Mafia
• 34:44
  will be in one car, right? About that.
• 34:46
  It's 400 of us, 300 of us. Yeah.
• 34:48
  Then you got the DC car, which is the most one of the most
• 34:50
  dangerous ones. What's the DC?
• 34:52
  Washington, DC OK, they're all killers in that car.
• 34:54
  They were all lunatics too. But then you have all the cars
• 34:56
  and most of the time they don't like New York car because we're
• 34:58
  arrogant, you know, just our whole swag is different.
• 35:02
  OK, So the white supremacists do not like us.
• 35:05
  OK. Could you talk about like,
• 35:07
  describe like one of your interactions where it went bad?
• 35:10
  I'm very disrespectful when I want to be because work out me,
• 35:14
  I'm AI love working out. So if you see me come to this
• 35:17
  place at 6:30 every day in the morning for the last two years,
• 35:21
  why are you trying to come in now at 6:30 and go in front of
• 35:23
  my TV when you know I work out there every day?
• 35:25
  Yeah, like why are you doing that?
• 35:26
  So obviously you're looking to get into it.
• 35:30
  I mean, that's how you do things like when people are bored and
• 35:32
  miserable in jail and they see that you're happy and you know
• 35:34
  you're doing your time, they try to make you miserable like them.
• 35:37
  OK so he tried doing that to me and end up hitting him with a
• 35:40
  medicine ball. With a what?
• 35:42
  A. Medicine ball, you know, the
• 35:43
  ones you work out with. Yeah.
• 35:44
  And I'm smacking with a medicine ball.
• 35:46
  Chased him around the whole thing.
• 35:47
  And then I went to the hall and then I came back out and she
• 35:50
  goes, you go with it all. I said, OK, I'll see you in 30
• 35:51
  days. Well worth it.
• 35:53
  And I went right into all it came out.
• 35:55
  You know what I mean? So that's they didn't like
• 35:57
  because I'm a jolly person. The Aryan Brothers, they're very
• 36:00
  miserable and they get a lot of time.
• 36:01
  They come out of Texas, they get an asshole full of time for the
• 36:05
  littlest thing. They're in there for about the
• 36:07
  crimes we're committing. They're in there for selling
• 36:09
  weed or some. They're getting 1020 years and
• 36:12
  they're invisible. We're getting like 1015 years
• 36:14
  for like, badge, you know what I mean?
• 36:16
  Making real money. And they got no money.
• 36:18
  No one's looking out for them. They're like bombs, you know, So
• 36:21
  they they're like jealous people.
• 36:22
  But they'll they will stab you in prison quick.
• 36:24
  Yeah, they will. You know what I mean?
• 36:26
  Yeah, it's interesting though, just being, I mean, because you
• 36:28
  guys are both white. Yeah.
• 36:30
  No, but I know it's different, culturally different, but.
• 36:33
  But the person on the street watching this doesn't know that
• 36:36
  though, right. Even though you guys are both
• 36:37
  white, you're Italian obviously, but even they say racist stick
• 36:42
  together in prison, right? But in actuality, racist do
• 36:45
  stick together. But the same time the Italians
• 36:48
  and the white supremacists, is that how you classify them are
• 36:52
  separate, right? Sheree Gavano gave that thing
• 36:54
  because he was hanging out with them.
• 36:56
  Yeah, but that's not really how it goes.
• 36:58
  They usually are not our friends, right?
• 37:01
  They usually don't like us. We don't get along with them.
• 37:03
  OK? So I don't know the way that
• 37:05
  came about like white culture. They don't Italians, we're not
• 37:08
  considered white in prison, right, right.
• 37:10
  We're not that before, you know what I mean, because we're
• 37:12
  considered other the gang members mostly respect us.
• 37:14
  They don't like them and they say a lot of racist.
• 37:17
  Those white supremacists like they'll say it blatantly.
• 37:19
  Yeah. Blatantly right to them, you
• 37:22
  know, they're really bad with they're not allowed to handshake
• 37:24
  with black people. They're not allowed to
• 37:25
  compensate with them. Then I ain't allowed to break.
• 37:27
  If they find out that you're a white supremacist and you, he's
• 37:31
  black and he gave you something to eat, they'll beat you to
• 37:34
  death. They'll put you right in the
• 37:36
  hospital. That's how bad they are, which
• 37:38
  is it's almost ridiculous, you know what I'm saying?
• 37:40
  But that's their beliefs, you know what I mean?
• 37:41
  So I didn't like them. I got along more with the blacks
• 37:46
  in prison. Spanish people had a problem
• 37:48
  with black kings sounded like what they were doing.
• 37:50
  They were trying to recruit like Italian and white people.
• 37:52
  I'm like, that's not fool you, bro.
• 37:54
  If you go in that gang, you're just doing it for protection.
• 37:56
  You're not, you're not really, you really ain't loyal to that.
• 37:58
  It's not your culture, you know what I mean?
• 38:00
  Did that translate out in the streets at all as far as like,
• 38:04
  you know, obviously there's guys in the joint or whatever.
• 38:06
  I don't know if you see them in passing on the streets.
• 38:08
  But when you were out actively, you know, with, right, the
• 38:11
  Bonanno crew, right, were there certain gangs that you guys were
• 38:14
  cool with or yes. I, I had AI had a lot of gang
• 38:17
  members work for me, but not like with my people, with me on
• 38:21
  the side. I would use them for things and
• 38:23
  I mean like gang members, but I would never bring them around
• 38:27
  because my people would not be OK with.
• 38:28
  That well, what were you doing, if you.
• 38:30
  Don't mind. Well, yeah, they were doing
• 38:31
  scores, robberies, jewelry stores, drug dealers, stuff like
• 38:35
  that. You know, I put on tracking
• 38:36
  devices on people where, you know, that's where they come in
• 38:39
  handy, you know what I mean? How did you become friends with
• 38:42
  Fetty Wap? Fetty Wap.
• 38:44
  So I was in jail with Fetty. Fetty is a awesome dude, bro.
• 38:48
  I'm glad you brought that out. How did you?
• 38:50
  I love him bro. How did you become friends with
• 38:52
  him? Like how did it originally?
• 38:53
  Start when you go to when I go to MDC Brooklyn, I'm going to go
• 38:56
  into a high profile unit. That's where we go into.
• 38:59
  It's going to be only a limited amount of people and it's going
• 39:01
  to be the most high profiles people in the country.
• 39:03
  By high profile I mean just. Your case, your who you are,
• 39:06
  everything. So I went in there.
• 39:07
  I was in there with the attorney general of Mexico.
• 39:10
  I was with the president of Honduras.
• 39:12
  OK, Literally. Yeah, he's president.
• 39:14
  I'm like, bro, what are you doing?
• 39:16
  He's selling kilos and tons of cocaine.
• 39:19
  Yeah. He's the president, The
• 39:20
  president, bro. And the attorney general of
• 39:22
  Mexico, which is El Chapo, tried to kill him 10 times, he told
• 39:24
  me. And he's in jail facing a
• 39:26
  million years. Yeah.
• 39:27
  So. And I was with him, and then all
• 39:28
  of a sudden I look over and I said, is that Fetty Wap?
• 39:32
  I see, like, his eye? I'm like, that's him.
• 39:34
  But he got a lot bigger now. Yeah.
• 39:36
  And we end up getting cool. And he wanted to train, you
• 39:40
  know, I was training people and work out I.
• 39:42
  Got Did you walk up to him when you saw him or?
• 39:45
  You see, I kept saying I'm like, because at the other day I
• 39:48
  listen to all the songs, right? So I'm like, bro, I'm like, you
• 39:50
  got the music. You just, you know, I mean,
• 39:52
  they're like, as soon as I walk in the that's the mob dude,
• 39:54
  because you know, my book and everything, they, you know,
• 39:56
  everyone knows me through the building and plus Teddy purse
• 39:59
  goes and they're talking. He was in the building.
• 40:00
  I was in there and I had called him the infinite Don on a show.
• 40:03
  So he was furious. So he knew I was in there.
• 40:05
  So it was all over the building. And then so me and Fetty are
• 40:08
  talking and sure enough, we got really cool and we, you know,
• 40:13
  discussing and I thought he was going to be like a gang member,
• 40:15
  like, you know, like an idiot. He's actually not he's actually
• 40:17
  really smart. He has like 11 kids.
• 40:20
  He takes care of all of them. He told me he got robbed by his
• 40:24
  record label. Like he signed the contract
• 40:27
  because they threw $1,000,000 in his face and he's like, yeah, I
• 40:29
  signed. He signed away everything he's
• 40:32
  toys made. He told him Taylor Swift, he
• 40:34
  toured and made over 100 million for them.
• 40:36
  You know what? They gave him $5,000,000.
• 40:38
  They robbed him blind time We told him robbed him blind.
• 40:41
  He said he made a lot of money off investments because the rap
• 40:44
  music they were robbing him is record label.
• 40:46
  And we, I started training him. He wanted a six pack.
• 40:49
  I said I'm gonna get I'm gonna train you and I'm gonna train
• 40:51
  every day. No, Yeah, he was awesome, dude.
• 40:53
  Super friendly, generous, you know, really good person.
• 40:55
  So were you guys hanging out? All the time.
• 40:58
  No. I used to sing a song every time
• 40:59
  I walk past him. Trap clean I semester.
• 41:01
  That's a hit right there, bro. He's always messing him.
• 41:05
  Yeah, he was great, Dad. He was a cool guy, you know?
• 41:07
  Yeah. Did you do you think you'd keep
• 41:09
  in touch with him outside he. Got six years for 25 bricks of
• 41:12
  fat and only and nothing to do with it.
• 41:13
  It was literally for a phone call.
• 41:15
  Yeah, he basically was giving money to like someone and not
• 41:17
  knowing what he was funding, kinda and the Fed just put him
• 41:20
  into the conspiracy and gave him six years, which I don't think
• 41:23
  he should have got that. Yeah, you know, so he end up
• 41:25
  getting six years and he'll be home like two more years, Okay.
• 41:29
  Yeah, there's also, you had mentioned this on another show,
• 41:31
  but there is also another celebrity in there, Sam Bakeman
• 41:35
  Free. Sam Bakeman Free.
• 41:36
  What in the What are you doing hanging out with him in jail?
• 41:38
  Super weird. Yeah.
• 41:40
  Yeah. I mean, I let him in there and
• 41:43
  he stole like $10 billion. He made-up that fake crypto.
• 41:47
  Yeah, it was. He was in there with me and he
• 41:48
  was just so scared. I mean, when he walked in like
• 41:51
  it was his first time in jail ever.
• 41:53
  This guy's like a billionaire. And like, I I see the this,
• 41:57
  like, fake little gang man. I I So the kid that killed DJ
• 42:00
  Khaled's nephew was in there. Yeah.
• 42:01
  You remember DJ Khaled, the big famous DJ, his nephew got killed
• 42:04
  in the Bronx like 2015. His little ski was in there.
• 42:08
  I didn't like this case. His name was Jewish.
• 42:09
  He's like a blood gang member. Whatever.
• 42:11
  He's in there. He thinks he's tough.
• 42:12
  And as soon as the kid walked in, I remember he was plotting
• 42:15
  on him. They wanted to get money out of
• 42:16
  him. You know, the guy's ability
• 42:17
  there. And I pulled him in fast.
• 42:18
  It's all. Come on, come hang out.
• 42:20
  They already grabbed them. This Bateman's going away in the
• 42:23
  back with bloods like one laughing like come on, he's
• 42:26
  probably sleeping like this. He's probably all scared, you
• 42:28
  know? And he I end up talking to him a
• 42:31
  few times and I kept trying to tell him, yo, you're safe and
• 42:33
  you don't worry. I knew what they were doing.
• 42:35
  They were trying to get money out of him.
• 42:37
  They were trying to tell me, oh, it's not safe and you got to pay
• 42:38
  someone. I knew the game, what they were
• 42:40
  running on. So me and my friend Magic.
• 42:42
  Magic was a big, big drug deal out of Harlem.
• 42:44
  He got 33 years. He was making like 300,000 a day
• 42:47
  bro like mega money. They gave this guy so much time
• 42:51
  I couldn't even tell you but me and him again good friends and
• 42:52
  we seen what they were doing and I pulled them over.
• 42:55
  I said, Yo, you're good, I said. I don't want nothing from you, I
• 42:57
  said. Why is that dude?
• 42:59
  I just like that bro, really. $10 billion, you don't know
• 43:02
  this, $10 billion, you want to get a.
• 43:03
  Million I don't want nothing from him.
• 43:05
  I feel because he's harmless. You got to see him like hitting
• 43:07
  a girl, bro. It's like he's so harmless.
• 43:09
  Like you know, I told you with in our neighbor, we defend
• 43:11
  people like the mob is not what they think it is.
• 43:14
  We don't just go after people and like the movies.
• 43:16
  Going to a convenience store, you got to pay us.
• 43:18
  That's movie stuff, right? We protect people.
• 43:20
  You have emotions, feelings. Right.
• 43:22
  And I was like, I kept telling you, you're good in here, don't
• 43:24
  worry, I says you're fine. You ain't got to pay no one.
• 43:27
  He kept hearing what I was telling him so he called me over
• 43:32
  and he got lippy with his mouth. Who who did?
• 43:34
  Who's this the kid juice. OK, who's you?
• 43:36
  I'm trying to get money. I'm getting on my way and I just
• 43:38
  went ballistic on and he swung at me.
• 43:40
  I hit him with hot coffee in his face.
• 43:41
  Boom we started. I beat him a bowl of place.
• 43:43
  If you see the ticket, I got it. I posted it.
• 43:46
  He's like stop, stop. He says no, I'm never going to
• 43:48
  stop and I kept beating him and I got the cops got me.
• 43:51
  I went to the hole from. Did he hit you?
• 43:53
  Oh. He got me.
• 43:54
  He got you. He.
• 43:54
  Swung at me first. What like what happened you like
• 43:56
  phase you or did you? Just no, I didn't phase me.
• 43:58
  He was like a boy, he. Just went.
• 43:59
  Oh, I hit him with coffee because I seen that there was a
• 44:01
  coffee cup like then I just cracked him right with the
• 44:04
  coffee. Yeah, but I but I had a federal
• 44:06
  referral for that. I was sweating in the whole
• 44:08
  that's a referral. That's a new charge.
• 44:10
  That's an assault with a. Weapon bro.
• 44:11
  Oh, no kidding. So I'm sweating 3 weeks now.
• 44:13
  I said you're gonna give me a new charge for this dude picking
• 44:15
  on a harmless dude. I defend him because I hit him
• 44:18
  with hot coffee. Right.
• 44:19
  Did you get off of it? No, they, they kicked it back
• 44:21
  because I remember the all the cops like me and they came to
• 44:24
  see me in like Gene, that's a federal referral.
• 44:26
  I said, what's that mean? That's a 224 assault, he said.
• 44:29
  That's not, he said. That's not a fight ticket.
• 44:30
  Self-defense, though, right? That's what I tried saying.
• 44:32
  I said look at the camera. He swung at me first, but they
• 44:35
  said then you wouldn't stop. You kept attacking him so I
• 44:37
  wouldn't stop. I was going crazy and I'm going
• 44:39
  to the hall for 37 days for that man.
• 44:41
  And that Sam, Sam, how do you spell it?
• 44:43
  Sam, Baby. Hang on, say it.
• 44:45
  We were asking him questions because we were like, yo, you
• 44:47
  stole $10 billion, right? All right, So I said, So what
• 44:50
  kind of car were you driving? He said a Toyota Camry.
• 44:52
  I said, what kind of watch are you wearing?
• 44:53
  He said Apple Watch. I said, what the did you still
• 44:57
  like a gold yacht, right. Like, what do you, what do you
• 45:01
  do with the money? He's telling us he's Facetiming
• 45:03
  the Elon Musk, you know, the guy that owns Twitter, the other guy
• 45:07
  that's like his friends, you know, I'm like, he's wearing
• 45:10
  basketball shorts every day. Like he drove a 2020 Toyota
• 45:13
  Camry. What was he doing with the
• 45:15
  money? I told me this is what he told
• 45:18
  me. I broke it down to him real
• 45:19
  fast. I says this is your first time
• 45:21
  in the feds. I said sit down, I'm going to
• 45:22
  tell you what's going to happen to you.
• 45:24
  I says you're the new Bernie Madoff.
• 45:26
  They're going to give you 1000 years.
• 45:28
  You stole $10 million. That's the worst thing you could
• 45:30
  do to the government, I says. And on top of it, they give you
• 45:32
  the worst judge. You have 8 prosecutors and they
• 45:35
  won't give you an offer. They're forcing you to trial.
• 45:37
  When you blow trial, they're going to give you 100 years.
• 45:39
  You know what they gave him? They're giving him 110 years.
• 45:42
  They are. He never killed nobody.
• 45:43
  He never touched nobody, never hurt nobody.
• 45:46
  I think that's so unfair. They actually gave it to him.
• 45:48
  They sentenced. Him, his recommendation is 110
• 45:50
  years. Year old judge will always go
• 45:52
  with the recommendation. Usually 9 out of 10 times.
• 45:54
  You didn't cooperate. They're not going to help you.
• 45:56
  Why would they help you? They wouldn't even give him a
• 45:58
  cop out. He told me, oh, I'm going to 20
• 46:00
  years. He says, are you already in
• 46:01
  line? 20 years.
• 46:02
  He says you've got $10 billion from them.
• 46:04
  They're going to give you life. It's under his life.
• 46:07
  I says you're never going to see the street again.
• 46:08
  I hate to say that to you. There's no beating the feds.
• 46:10
  They have 99% conviction rate. You don't win.
• 46:13
  Why wouldn't you just take a plea or.
• 46:16
  They wouldn't give him the plea. Oh, they would.
• 46:17
  They wanted to make an example out of him.
• 46:19
  So Tom Brady got robbed for like 200 million out of that.
• 46:21
  Really something like that. He looked up, there's like 7080
• 46:24
  million. Some lot of a lot of money he
• 46:26
  lost. If he worked with them, like
• 46:27
  worked out a deal with them, he would still be no matter what
• 46:30
  like say. No, no, But he has nobody to
• 46:32
  cooperate on. Yeah, he's the head of the guy.
• 46:34
  He's the top. Yeah, he's the top.
• 46:37
  So what's going to happen in prison then?
• 46:38
  That's. What I said, I said the real
• 46:40
  it's not going to hit until your sentence like everyone says.
• 46:42
  Oh, cuz it's always up to a federal judge.
• 46:44
  I'll break it down. If you don't have a minimum
• 46:46
  mandatory a judge could give you, a federal judge could give
• 46:49
  you one day if he wants up to 100 years, it's up to the
• 46:52
  federal judge. So you always have that in your
• 46:54
  brain. Oh, maybe he'll give me 10.
• 46:55
  No, he's not going to do that. You stole 1,000,000 billions of
• 46:58
  dollars until the realization hits when he goes 100 years,
• 47:02
  then you go, Oh my God, I just got 100 years.
• 47:05
  I die in prison, now in a federal penitentiary.
• 47:08
  In a penitentiary. And what's the difference for
• 47:12
  people that don't know like they they describe like?
• 47:14
  So a federal penitentiary is like the worst case scenario,
• 47:18
  you know, like violence, like you're locked down most of the
• 47:22
  time because people are getting killed in there all the time.
• 47:24
  So it's gangs got. So pitcher, you got life, you
• 47:26
  got life. I got life.
• 47:27
  Triple, life, triple, life, triple, triple.
• 47:29
  He's all got knives, OK? He's all got nothing to do,
• 47:31
  right? Miserable.
• 47:33
  You have $10 billion, All right, You know what I'm saying?
• 47:38
  Yeah. Wow.
• 47:38
  OK, you're going to give me money or I'm going to kill you.
• 47:41
  Like, legitimately, you're sending.
• 47:42
  They'll literally have guys run down and put knives to him and
• 47:44
  say cash App, They have cell phones all over prison Cash App
• 47:47
  money right now to this thing all going to stab you.
• 47:49
  Really. Yes.
• 47:50
  It's going down to MDC Brooklyn right now and they're doing to
• 47:53
  the cartel guys like crazy. And that guy does not have like,
• 47:57
  he doesn't have it. Oh, he's.
• 47:57
  Harmless. No.
• 47:58
  So that's so it's like getting back to like earlier.
• 48:00
  How are you? Yeah, I don't like that stuff,
• 48:01
  you know, and they're trying to pick on the dude and I just
• 48:03
  didn't like that, man, You know, I just says I'm, I'm really big
• 48:05
  in that, like, I don't like. Bullies yet?
• 48:07
  Well, that's what we talked about earlier, how you're like,
• 48:09
  you know, were your guys how you grew up in that area.
• 48:11
  It wasn't like we're not going to just smack somebody for
• 48:13
  nothing It's there's a reason behind it.
• 48:15
  Yeah, sure. You see it.
• 48:15
  It's like this is really messed up.
• 48:17
  Like if the guy was a piece of shit that I'm gonna say, oh, we
• 48:20
  could do whatever what I'm doing.
• 48:21
  Like this guy is just. Nothing.
• 48:23
  Nothing. I'm not.
• 48:24
  You don't. You don't.
• 48:25
  Yeah, Harmless people. You just don't do it.
• 48:26
  That's not nature. I told you, my people don't go
• 48:28
  for it. We don't.
• 48:29
  We don't tolerate that. So say he sees his podcast,
• 48:32
  right? Yeah.
• 48:32
  What? What should you tell him?
• 48:34
  No. Sam Well, how?
• 48:35
  How? What?
• 48:36
  It's like when I told him when I met him.
• 48:37
  But like knowing that he's going to prison like.
• 48:40
  There's nothing. There's nothing you can explain
• 48:41
  to him. He knows what he he knows what
• 48:43
  he's going into. He's going into see, with that
• 48:45
  kind of time, his points are going to be so high.
• 48:47
  So he's going to have to start off in the penitentiary.
• 48:49
  If they put him in Hazleton, Hazleton is like they killed
• 48:51
  Whitey Bulger there. My friends killed my my friend
• 48:55
  Anthony Aralada, his guy Freddie Geese.
• 48:57
  They killed Whitey Bulger in in Hazleton.
• 48:59
  You know how long he lasted. He.
• 49:00
  Didn't even make it through the. Night.
• 49:02
  He didn't make it. One night he wheeled in and they
• 49:05
  wheeled him out in a meat cart. That's what.
• 49:06
  He went in and went out. That was it.
• 49:08
  That's how bad, isn't it? They were literally waiting for
• 49:10
  him to come there. Cut his tongue out, cut his eyes
• 49:12
  out, stomped his head in within 24 hours.
• 49:16
  Now, let me ask you this. Obviously, that was a planned
• 49:21
  hit. So like how?
• 49:23
  So let me just say, let me just change the question.
• 49:25
  So when there's fights in prison or the Fed joint, stuff like
• 49:28
  that, obviously there's a spot where you can catch somebody for
• 49:31
  a quicker than like just right in front of somebody.
• 49:33
  Yeah. So is that what they planned?
• 49:34
  Well, his thing with the penitentiaries, there's no fist
• 49:36
  fighting. It's all stabbing, see?
• 49:38
  Because these are the guys that you know are never coming home
• 49:40
  again, so there's no fist fighting.
• 49:41
  So whenever they're coming at you, it's with a weapon and
• 49:44
  they're trying to kill you, you know, and the cops, they don't
• 49:46
  care. As long as you ain't hurting.
• 49:47
  The cops kill each other, they don't care.
• 49:49
  So this Sam Beckman, if he ends up in like one of these crazy
• 49:53
  penitentiaries, which Pollock Hazelton is the worst, Big
• 49:57
  Sandy, these are like horrific places where, like, people are
• 50:00
  getting killed once a month. They're locking the prison down
• 50:03
  because people are getting, you know, literally killed.
• 50:05
  So imagine a guy like that coming into this apartment.
• 50:08
  How? Does he?
• 50:09
  Survive. That's what I'm saying.
• 50:10
  Even if they put him in a dropout now.
• 50:12
  My friend was just with the cop that killed George Floyd.
• 50:15
  George Floyd? Yeah, my friend Frankie Passway,
• 50:17
  he was a mob guy. He's in Arizona with him.
• 50:19
  They just stabbed on 22 times in there.
• 50:21
  They stabbed too. They cop?
• 50:23
  No, they just let him up in a dropout yard in a safe place.
• 50:26
  Supposed to be a safe place. It's not.
• 50:29
  He got stabbed 22 times last week.
• 50:32
  And you were in that environment as well, right?
• 50:34
  Like at one point, Absolutely. And I mean, are you just in
• 50:37
  Rambo mode the whole time? You know, like I said, you got a
• 50:40
  lot of carry yourself. You know, I mean like when I was
• 50:42
  in the state, the thing the hardest thing for me was sex
• 50:44
  offenders because I got ended up in a hub with these scumbags.
• 50:47
  Now I'm with my friends and we're all, there's a few time
• 50:51
  guys with me. Frankie Pascoe was with me and
• 50:53
  they're like, yo, you're not in Ragazzle no more.
• 50:54
  You're in a jail. There's bad sex offenders.
• 50:56
  He has to. What do you mean sex offenders?
• 50:57
  They're like, yeah, rapists. I says, no, they can't live
• 50:59
  Ragazzle and you get killed. They said, no, they live here.
• 51:02
  I says, come on, bro. They said, oh, yeah.
• 51:04
  Well, the charges were horrific. I didn't make it in that jail.
• 51:06
  Six months. I was rolling guys down the
• 51:08
  hill. We were frigging terrorized the
• 51:09
  people because we just couldn't handle it.
• 51:12
  You know what I'm saying? So.
• 51:12
  Just you see them on site rolled.
• 51:15
  Out of them you had charges where mutilation, child
• 51:18
  mutilation. Yeah, just the sickest we.
• 51:20
  Had one, a guy from Bensonhurst, his name was Angelo Grigio, he's
• 51:23
  Italian. And all the gangs and mess was
• 51:25
  go oh, look at your your paisan. He's a baby biter.
• 51:28
  I says, OK, watch the baby biter.
• 51:29
  In a couple of days she's gonna go rolling down a hill.
• 51:31
  I says don't worry, we got something for him.
• 51:33
  We didn't make it in that jail. Probably 6 months.
• 51:35
  We were terrorizing him. What do you mean by rolling down
• 51:37
  the hill? Well, there's a hill.
• 51:38
  We kicked him down a hill. Oh, literally.
• 51:40
  Literally kicked him down a hill.
• 51:42
  Yeah, we literally lauded him and kicked him down a hill.
• 51:44
  Yeah. So you just.
• 51:44
  Walk up to him. You're like you.
• 51:46
  Because we already had a, like we have our eyes set on a
• 51:49
  certain ones, like the real horrific charges.
• 51:51
  Yeah. And like, we just can't handle
• 51:52
  it. Like, I couldn't deal with it.
• 51:54
  So there's someone who would say, I'll get out and do it
• 51:55
  again. Like they were just like real
• 51:57
  scumbags, you know what I mean? So I was like, we're gonna give.
• 52:00
  They had a church come. There's a church in jail.
• 52:02
  They had the people come talk to me about.
• 52:04
  So I was terrorizing them, really.
• 52:06
  I would walk past them and slap them in the head.
• 52:08
  Put your walk with your head down.
• 52:09
  I just tell them. What?
• 52:10
  What did the church people come and say to you?
• 52:12
  They're paying for this sentences.
• 52:13
  No, they're not paying for this sentence.
• 52:15
  Oh, so they tried to convince you to?
• 52:16
  Leave them alone. No.
• 52:17
  Yeah. And I'm like, are you serious?
• 52:19
  I'm like, you protect these people.
• 52:20
  They're raping little kids. Yeah.
• 52:22
  I say, are you serious? This is what we're doing here.
• 52:24
  Yeah. I'm not going to church, I say,
• 52:25
  ever again. They're all high in the church.
• 52:27
  No kidding. Was anybody else after them or?
• 52:30
  Everybody. Everybody.
• 52:31
  Yeah, when you find out, like you got to be careful looking
• 52:33
  them up because they find that you look them up, you get a
• 52:35
  charge for that something bad happens to them.
• 52:37
  Like let's say you look them up and you put the word out and
• 52:40
  they get stabbed. You'll wear that for for looking
• 52:42
  them up. But we have ways around it, you
• 52:43
  know what I mean? So you could also plant like
• 52:46
  porno books on them because they have contracts where they're not
• 52:48
  allowed to have porno books. So the cops hate them too.
• 52:52
  See you. Like yo, I'm going to the
• 52:54
  bathroom, the cop, like go plant the book on them.
• 52:56
  I'll have to do a search. If you go right to the hole,
• 52:58
  quit right in the hole. If you can't beat them up, we'll
• 53:00
  get them like this. I'm saying you got to listen,
• 53:03
  you got to work. You know.
• 53:04
  Just get a kill. Then I just could.
• 53:05
  Then they put me in in green. They said you got to get out
• 53:08
  this jail. Like I was in getting too much.
• 53:10
  And then we end up cutting that guy, Saudi Yolando.
• 53:12
  He came there from my he came in and he was an Italian guy.
• 53:16
  He turned out to be a rat from my area and I got the word that
• 53:19
  he's in there and like take care of that first.
• 53:21
  I was like, yeah, we got you. Don't worry.
• 53:22
  I did that. Frankie took the weight for that
• 53:25
  and get a year in the hole. They kicked him out the spot and
• 53:27
  then I got kicked out with the green and green was crazy.
• 53:30
  Yeah, it was wild in it. Were you ever just completely
• 53:33
  outnumbered, like bad? And you're like like worried,
• 53:36
  all right, Because it sounds like you're just going around
• 53:37
  like they're with me, you guys, you know what I'm saying?
• 53:40
  Like you know what I mean? Like a.
• 53:41
  Few times. One in Groveland, I messed up
• 53:44
  when we cut that guy. That was the first cutting in
• 53:47
  seven years in the prison. I'll tell you what happened.
• 53:49
  We messed up the drugs coming in for the Bhatias.
• 53:51
  That's the Dominican gang. They want them ahead on a stick.
• 53:54
  So when they said they that I was in the C2 dorm and they says
• 53:58
  when the Italian kid comes out, tell him to come outside.
• 54:00
  I won't go outside. Who's they?
• 54:02
  The bath is the Dominican kid. After the kid got cut, we up
• 54:05
  everything, the drugs, they couldn't make their money no
• 54:07
  more. So they want me now.
• 54:10
  So like so my neighbor was a kid named Sandman from Far Rockaway.
• 54:14
  He was a head blood. I said listen man, I'm going to
• 54:17
  be honest you I'm dead. They go out there, they're going
• 54:19
  to fully me up. They're getting me out to jail.
• 54:22
  Can you help me out here I was like we talk all the time I know
• 54:24
  you're the big homie. You got like 100 bloods with you
• 54:27
  Get Me Out of this one, bro. Honestly, I was like, you know,
• 54:30
  I'm I said I'll fight one-on-one.
• 54:32
  I said I'm dead right now. They're.
• 54:35
  Going to. He's like, I got you, don't
• 54:36
  worry, because he liked me. Like I said, they like the
• 54:38
  Italian news. That's why I really respected
• 54:40
  him. He could have told me to go fuck
• 54:41
  myself and I got to walk out there because I wouldn't check
• 54:43
  in. I wouldn't check in, sign in to
• 54:46
  PCI wouldn't do it. My pride.
• 54:48
  I'm still a mob that goes back to the street.
• 54:49
  Yo, Jean signed in. That's it.
• 54:51
  You're looking at doc. I know.
• 54:52
  So I wouldn't do it. I'm like, I got to take a
• 54:53
  beating because I'm not signing. So I went to Sandman.
• 54:56
  I was like, yo, come on. And he got me out of it.
• 54:58
  He went outside, he told me. He said, yo, you do I need to
• 54:59
  just kid, you got deal me my 100 guys, No kid, he goes, he did
• 55:03
  what I did for his people. If you were told to do something
• 55:05
  for your people, you're going to do it, right?
• 55:06
  So what's the difference if he does it and he put it to them
• 55:09
  like that? But remember, we didn't have
• 55:10
  many people there, you know what I mean?
• 55:11
  So we were outnumbered and that's how I got out of it.
• 55:15
  Yeah. Was there anything else like
• 55:16
  that before I did like kind of? Politics.
• 55:18
  I actually gave the story on TikTok.
• 55:20
  We were at a place in Middle Village called La Cue.
• 55:24
  And we'll be for this kid named Duke.
• 55:25
  Duke is on FBI's most modern list.
• 55:27
  He's one of the most dangerous Albanians to come out of Queens.
• 55:30
  And he didn't like the Halo Beach kids.
• 55:32
  And we were over there and he pulled out a knife from all of
• 55:35
  us. And he's with all those boys,
• 55:36
  knew all about weapons. We got nothing on us.
• 55:39
  And he goes, I'll kill all you Halo Beach and he has the knife
• 55:42
  in my friend's face and they all got guns.
• 55:44
  I'm like, yo, we're dead right now because we didn't even know
• 55:47
  they were going to be there. I'm sweating.
• 55:49
  I'm like, yo, we got nothing on us.
• 55:50
  They're going to kill us right now.
• 55:51
  Long story short, they end up not what we do.
• 55:54
  Oh my God, let's go to the car, come back.
• 55:56
  Went back. We had shotguns and we're back.
• 55:58
  I said load up, we're going back.
• 56:00
  Just heard this out because now the same said we were.
• 56:02
  I was scared of death. And now I'm like, yo, we just
• 56:04
  got punk. Everyone's going to know about
• 56:05
  this. Go to the car.
• 56:06
  We went back to hell. Beach came back.
• 56:08
  Listen to me, we had all kinds of with us, you know what I
• 56:13
  mean, ran in there. They were gone because I'm like,
• 56:15
  we got to do something now because you know, we just got
• 56:17
  abused. He abused us and I say that
• 56:19
  openly like I don't one thing about me.
• 56:21
  I just told you I keep it 100. I don't make myself look like
• 56:24
  God because I wasn't, you know, this kid was dangerous.
• 56:27
  And I told them, I said, yo, this this kid's going to kill
• 56:29
  one of us right now were. You in the life at that point,
• 56:31
  Yeah, OK. Absolutely.
• 56:32
  So that's going back to the street.
• 56:34
  Yo, this got punked out. So I'm like, yo, we got to load
• 56:36
  up and go back to this place and do something.
• 56:38
  OK, so that so that's your full, full on in the life at that
• 56:41
  point. Yeah.
• 56:42
  And and wow, that's a crazy story.
• 56:44
  The fact that. He's on FBI's Most Wanted.
• 56:46
  This kid was notorious. He stayed by 30 something
• 56:48
  people. He's ABI Mafia.
• 56:49
  This kids notorious. No one.
• 56:50
  We end up becoming friends later on.
• 56:52
  If you look him up, he's in Albania.
• 56:54
  They they can't get him. Yeah, there's no extradition
• 56:56
  over there. He posts on Facebook.
• 56:58
  He's on the run. He laughs at them.
• 57:00
  He posts. You can't get it for 10 years.
• 57:01
  He's notorious. Yeah.
• 57:03
  Duke. A jet.
• 57:03
  His name is Duke and he was like a captain for their ABI Mafia.
• 57:07
  He just hated Dial Beach kids. He just just because of where
• 57:09
  you're from. Yeah, they hate us.
• 57:10
  A lot of people don't like us because it's a nice
• 57:12
  neighborhood, there's money, you know, nice cars, you know, they
• 57:16
  just like hating on you haters. But you know, we're tough guys
• 57:19
  out of there too. But he he, he harped us that
• 57:22
  night. So then you stayed faced by
• 57:23
  coming back and then that's kind of was like.
• 57:25
  We came back, I mean 5 deep loaded up.
• 57:27
  Do what I'm saying. Like, yeah, after that, then I
• 57:29
  was like, OK, cool. Yeah, we had to have that known
• 57:31
  that we went into that windshield and tried to do
• 57:33
  something and then we wanted him.
• 57:35
  He wasn't there. And then at least it was known
• 57:37
  because we got harped. Did you go hunting for him
• 57:40
  after? No, we end up, I end up starting
• 57:42
  beefing with Chris Kagnotta. That stopped a lot of that,
• 57:44
  saved a lot of people. Yeah, when we went to war with
• 57:47
  him, OK. Because that was pure chaos, you
• 57:50
  know? I mean, yeah, the FBI calls it
• 57:51
  summer of 06. They titled it Summer of 06.
• 57:54
  No. Yeah.
• 57:56
  Wow, yeah, that's how bad it was.