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Israel’s Massive Pride Celebration vs Nigeria’s LGBTQ Crackdown | This Gay Week · The Karel Show

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  Speaker 4: this Gay Week, of course, where we talk about international issues.
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  Speaker 4: As you know, this week on my show, I already
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  Speaker 4: talked about one Long Beach Pride festival being canceled. It's
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  Speaker 4: still a lot of great controversy around that, and there
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  Speaker 4: shouldn't be. I have all the facts, as I told
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  Speaker 4: you before. The Pride organization dropped the ball. They did
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  Speaker 4: not get the popper paperwork into the city. The city
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  Speaker 4: did everything they could to salvage it. And the danger
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  Speaker 4: of this dialogue is that the head of Pride in
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  Speaker 4: Long Beach is painting the city as a nemesist, painting
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  Speaker 4: the city as oh, look, they canceled Pride right what
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  Speaker 4: it was about to happen a half hour before that
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  Speaker 4: is not what happened. The city simply said, we cannot
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  Speaker 4: let it take place because you had sixty five days
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  Speaker 4: to get us the plans you didn't. Then within the
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  Speaker 4: fourteen day window you still didn't. Then on Thursday you
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  Speaker 4: still didn't. Then on Friday you still didn't. So we
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  Speaker 4: had to shut it down. But the city, which they're
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  Speaker 4: painting as hombophobic, did pay for the Pride parade. They
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  Speaker 4: did allow the festival to go on abridged at Bixby Park,
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  Speaker 4: and the mayor even offered fifty thousand dollars in private
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  Speaker 4: fundraising to move the event over to the Terrorist Theater
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  Speaker 4: and Bixby Park, and Pride said no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 4: and no. So in the Long Beach Pride issue, this
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  Speaker 4: is not where a city was jumping on the Trump
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  Speaker 4: bandwagon and going with the whole anti gay sentiment going
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  Speaker 4: on around the world. This was actually our own community
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  Speaker 4: letting us down. And as Scott and I talk about
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  Speaker 4: LGBTQ issues across the globe, real ones life matters of
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  Speaker 4: life or death, we also have to remember that in
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  Speaker 4: some of these issues, in some of these stories that
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  Speaker 4: we talk about, like the Long Beach story, sometimes it's
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  Speaker 4: the gays letting themselves down. You know, sometimes it's that
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  Speaker 4: we didn't do everything we needed to do or get done,
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  Speaker 4: including showing up at polls or whatever it might be.
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  Speaker 4: In Long Beach, it's case the Long Beach Pride Incorporated,
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  Speaker 4: which has one job on this ship to produce that festival.
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  Speaker 4: They didn't meet the city's deadlines. Everyone else got mad
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  Speaker 4: and said, well, the city could have rushed, the city
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  Speaker 4: could have made concessions, and if the city had done
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  Speaker 4: that and somebody gotten hurt, then there would have been lawsuits,
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  Speaker 4: the city would have been out millions of dollars in
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  Speaker 4: Pride would have gotten a bad rep or worse, been
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  Speaker 4: sued into bankruptcy. So the city did what it needed
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  Speaker 4: and had to do. It was not homophobic, and we
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  Speaker 4: have to be very careful as gay people when something
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  Speaker 4: doesn't go our way. We can't always scream homophobia homophobia
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  Speaker 4: because sometimes it's not. And in the case of Long Beach,
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  Speaker 4: it wasn't homophobia, and it wasn't a city pitted against
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  Speaker 4: the LGBTQ community. It was actually the LGBTQ organization that
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  Speaker 4: did not do what they needed to do. So I
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  Speaker 4: just want to start with that because a lot of
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  Speaker 4: times gay people scream homophobia and sometimes it's not. Then
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  Speaker 4: there are other real cases around the globe. We're going
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  Speaker 4: to cover today where it is homophobia, but in Long
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  Speaker 4: Beach this last weekend. And by the way, I don't
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  Speaker 4: want to, but I think it's the best thing that
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  Speaker 4: could happen to Long Beach Pride. I think all prides,
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  Speaker 4: and Scott and I have talked about prides across the world,
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  Speaker 4: some of them getting canceled. I think some of the
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  Speaker 4: prides getting canceled and having to reinvent is possibly the
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  Speaker 4: best thing that could happen. Long Beach Pride was getting
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  Speaker 4: too big out of control. Forty dollars to get in,
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  Speaker 4: you couldn't exit and leave and come back. That was
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  Speaker 4: causing people to not want to go into the festival.
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  Speaker 4: It needs to rethink the entire festival and it needs
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  Speaker 4: to make sure it remains free. Paying forty bucks to
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  Speaker 4: get into a festival is not kosher when a lot
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  Speaker 4: of LGBTT people don't have that, So pricing people out
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  Speaker 4: of the festival is ridiculous.
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  Speaker 4: And I can hear the queens. Now, how can it
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  Speaker 4: be free? Corral? They gotta pay the acts, They gotta
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  Speaker 4: do this, they gotta do that. Yes, they have to
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  Speaker 4: do all those things. And guess what, Orlando does it.
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  Speaker 4: They tack on a dollar to every beverage and ask, hey,
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  Speaker 4: do you want to keep pride free? Give us an
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  Speaker 4: extra dollar for every beverage. They tack on a dollar
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  Speaker 4: at all the food that's sold there. They fundraise in
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  Speaker 4: the community. They get bars and other people to participate
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  Speaker 4: in the fundraising so pride can be free. And in
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  Speaker 4: many cities and many areas around the world, pride is free.
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  Speaker 4: And Long Beach should rethink. Okay, now onto the stories
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  Speaker 4: of this gay week. You sent me many Where would
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  Speaker 4: you like to begin?
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  Speaker 2: So I say we go with the project? Not alone?
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  Speaker 4: You are not alone? Are we gonna sing? Michael Jackson
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  Speaker 4: songs I Am Weeh with you?
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  Speaker 2: He's been popping up at a lot of social media lately,
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  Speaker 2: well cause of the movie.
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  Speaker 4: Well because of the movie. Well, that's right, the movie's
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  Speaker 4: number one again. It's back number one again. People upset.
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  Speaker 4: The movie stops before the allegation started, which, by the way,
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  Speaker 4: I don't believe the allegations. I do not believe that
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  Speaker 4: Michael Jackson slept with small children. Maybe I'm just naive,
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  Speaker 4: but I've been to Neverland and I met him and
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  Speaker 4: a photographed him, and I just don't believe it happened.
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  Speaker 4: But yes, he has been popping up. But you are
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  Speaker 4: not alone? Which is the prisoners like a prison? Uh?
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  Speaker 4: Barbara streisand reference Eyes of Laura Mars, a movie that
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  Speaker 4: she was pitched by her boyfriend John Peters, but she
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  Speaker 4: would not make because she said the rule was just
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  Speaker 4: too frightening and too scary and not something she would do.
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  Speaker 4: But she did sing the theme song to it, and
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  Speaker 4: Faye Dunaway played in the movie. And who else had
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  Speaker 4: those eyes in the eyes of Lori Mars. So this
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  Speaker 4: is about we have spoken about how in Cameroon and
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  Speaker 4: Nigeria it's not a great place to be gay. In fact,
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  Speaker 4: it can land you in jail. And it has what
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  Speaker 4: people don't realize and what I'm gleaning from the story, Scott,
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  Speaker 4: and tell me if I'm wrong. Is basically, you can
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  Speaker 4: buy your way out after you serve a certain amount
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  Speaker 4: of time. You can pay fines and fees and get
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  Speaker 4: out early. And there is this organization that is doing
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  Speaker 4: that very thing. They raise money and as soon as
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  Speaker 4: someone is eligible to be released, they pay it to
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  Speaker 4: the fines and get them released. Also, I guess you
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  Speaker 4: can upgrade your cell. It sounded like a hotel or
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  Speaker 4: something where they can pay for a more private sell.
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  Speaker 4: And so what's going on is they're asking for donations.
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  Speaker 4: Five gay men and three lesbians deserve to be set
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  Speaker 4: free in Cameroon and Nigeria where they are locked up
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  Speaker 4: for strimply being gay. By the way, and this last week, Scott,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if you know this, but this last
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  Speaker 4: week here because this is a Friday, but on Tuesday
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  Speaker 4: of this week it was the anniversary of Oscar Wilde
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  Speaker 4: being released from jail in Ireland for being free, I
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  Speaker 4: mean for being gay. He got out in eight forget
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  Speaker 4: the I did little meme about it is what you do.
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  Speaker 2: That is a wild story.
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  Speaker 4: You could say, yeah, yeah, it truly is. It happened
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  Speaker 4: in eighteen ninety seven. He was released May twenty fourth
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  Speaker 4: and eighteen ninety seven, where he served three years of
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  Speaker 4: a hard labor. Take that as you will for being gay.
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  Speaker 4: And so there are people nowadays doing or having what
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  Speaker 4: Oscar had, which is jail sentences. There are eight in
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  Speaker 4: prison victims of anti gay hostility and homophobia, and Project
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  Speaker 4: Not Alone has focused on those eight people, which expands
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  Speaker 4: their work. They have gotten fifty six gay, lesbian and
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  Speaker 4: trans prisoners out of jail in Cameroon and Nigeria from
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  Speaker 4: twenty nineteen through till twenty twenty five. If they reach
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  Speaker 4: their goal of ten one hundred and seventeen dollars, they
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  Speaker 4: will pay prisoners fines, allowing them to be released early
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  Speaker 4: as soon as legal requirements are met. It will also
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  Speaker 4: pay for hygiene supplies, supplementary food supplies because they often
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  Speaker 4: survive on just horrible, filthy, rat infested food. It'll cover
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  Speaker 4: the cost of arranging secure cells for three gay prisoners
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  Speaker 4: who are waiting the end of their detention. That's what
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  Speaker 4: I meant by the upgrade. I guess if your family
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  Speaker 4: has the money, that you can go from gen pop
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  Speaker 4: into a secure cell, which if you can imagine gays
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  Speaker 4: and lesbians would need to stop them from being beaten
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  Speaker 4: and or killed, and it will pay for mandatory technological
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  Speaker 4: modernization of the q talk app, which is the app
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  Speaker 4: that they use to raise funds and offer private counseling
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  Speaker 4: in Nigeria. Since that is illegal, they have to sort
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  Speaker 4: of do it on the down low, and this app
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  Speaker 4: is a way for them to do that. It's really amazing,
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  Speaker 4: really amazing to me, though, Scott that it's sort of
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  Speaker 4: still all boils down to money, doesn't it. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: Nigerians take gays, but only so much. I mean they'll
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  Speaker 4: let them pay their way out.
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  Speaker 2: Of jail in some ways. I mean it's a it's
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  Speaker 2: an informal way to garner more fairness to overcome an
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  Speaker 2: unjust system. It doesn't change the system to make it
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  Speaker 2: a more just system, so it's just getting more fairness.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know, in some of these people that weason
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  Speaker 4: they're in jail. There's three lesbians in jail in yan
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  Speaker 4: Yan Yan Yon day y Ao U n d E,
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  Speaker 4: which is in Cameroon. I believe they were arrested last
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  Speaker 4: November in a police sting targeting online dating sites. They'll
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  Speaker 4: be set free soon if their fines are pay. If
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  Speaker 4: the fines aren't paid, they will remain in prison to
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  Speaker 4: work off the fines. So that's why they need to
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  Speaker 4: pay the fines. Yeah, exactly. Since eighteen ninety seven, going
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  Speaker 4: strong one gay man serving a two year sentence for
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  Speaker 4: homosexuality after his partner's parents reported him to the police
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  Speaker 4: that those are some fucked up in laws right there.
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  Speaker 4: I'm telling you right now, when your husband's parents turn
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  Speaker 4: you into the popo is a problem. And three gay
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  Speaker 4: men who are awaiting trial on homosexuality charges. They were
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  Speaker 4: arrested in January after a homophobic neighbor reported them to police,
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  Speaker 4: and then in Port Harcourt. One gay man was in
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  Speaker 4: prison last November after being blackmailed by a sexual partner.
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  Speaker 4: He wouldn't pay the partner who said, look, now that
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  Speaker 4: we've had sex, pay me or I'm going to turn
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  Speaker 4: you in. He said no, the guy turned him in.
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  Speaker 4: He's in jail and then in Doula dou Ala. Five
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  Speaker 4: gay men are currently serving time on homesicone actually related charges.
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  Speaker 4: Each of them is supported by family or friends. They're
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  Speaker 4: scheduled to be soon released soon without intervention by Project
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  Speaker 4: not Alone, because they have family and friends that are
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  Speaker 4: willing to pay the fines and to help them, but
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  Speaker 4: many people don't, and so that's where Project Not Alone
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  Speaker 4: comes in. Yeah, there's some really interesting, just terrible facts
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  Speaker 4: in the story, really terrible facts. If you want to donate,
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  Speaker 4: by the way, to help get them out of jail,
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  Speaker 4: it's Saint Paul SF d R S T P A
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  Speaker 4: U L S F d R at gmail dot com.
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  Speaker 4: That is the PayPal for US contributions. And so it's
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  Speaker 4: the Saint Paul's Foundation that helps Project Not Alone fund
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  Speaker 4: their efforts. So that's that's what we got going on there.
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  Speaker 4: And you're right, since eighteen ninety seven and before, still
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  Speaker 4: throwing queens in jail and making them pay to get out.
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  Speaker 4: I wonder if we had to get out of jail
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  Speaker 4: free card, if that would even count or matter. They
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  Speaker 4: should start printing those get out of jail free cards.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if a society is corrupt, there are a
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  Speaker 2: lot of sort of social bartering mechanisms one can take
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  Speaker 2: advantage of.
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  Speaker 4: You gotta wonder, though, where's, like, you know, the Human
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  Speaker 4: Rights Campaign, where's that they raised millions? Where's glad if
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  Speaker 4: all this place needs eleven thousand dollars? That's just the
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  Speaker 4: ice sculpture at one of their parties, So you know,
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  Speaker 4: I don't understand why they're not, you know, helping them more.
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  Speaker 2: Well, a lot of international funding has been declining after
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  Speaker 2: USAIDA and others have pulled out, so to speak, so
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  Speaker 2: those have probably been redirected to more core concerns. And
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  Speaker 2: it would be nice if there was enough funding to
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  Speaker 2: cover everything. But if large nation states, the superpowers that
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  Speaker 2: are currently extant aren't contributing their share, or their fair
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  Speaker 2: share or their promises to fulfillment, than uh, the international
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  Speaker 2: institutions that are devoted to actually filling that gap will
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  Speaker 2: be only able to fill fewer gaps. In a sense,
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  Speaker 2: it'll be more of a Swiss cheese situation.
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  Speaker 4: I still think eleven grand is not that much, and
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  Speaker 4: there's a US organization that could step up, but that's
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  Speaker 4: you know, that's I wish I could. I if I
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  Speaker 4: were Elton or you know, someone like that, I'd just
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  Speaker 4: write the damn check. But yeah, no, I'm not. So
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  Speaker 4: what can we do? Well, we can report on it
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  Speaker 4: and hopefully you guys, someone out there will write the
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  Speaker 4: damn check and get these poor queens out of jail
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  Speaker 4: in Nigeria or camera. I can't even I mean, I
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  Speaker 4: saw I saw Midnight Express. I can imagine what they're
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  Speaker 4: going through and it's not pleasant.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I had I had a colleague, Mark Ball for
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  Speaker 2: one Facebook post. S s Umar and Co. In Kaduna
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  Speaker 2: State in Nigeria stated that in their report that the
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  Speaker 2: statements he made in terms of critical commentary about the
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  Speaker 2: prophet Muhammad were quote provocative and annoying. And after reductions
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  Speaker 2: of his sentence for that one post and then finally
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  Speaker 2: managed to get it down to five years in jail,
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  Speaker 2: he's since been out. He served as five years and
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  Speaker 2: he was the president of the Humanist Association of Nigeria.
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  Speaker 2: So it was a very significant case. So the severity
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  Speaker 2: of rights abuse can be significant in the Nigerian context.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I think of Trump, and I think all
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  Speaker 4: that's going on in this country and and how horrible
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  Speaker 4: it is, and how we are getting to the point
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  Speaker 4: where they want people to turn people in, you know
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  Speaker 4: that stuff. But that being said, you know, European gay
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  Speaker 4: people for the most part, just for the most part,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm gonna throw American gaze in with the European gays.
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  Speaker 4: We have adversity, but it only gets so adverse in
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  Speaker 4: places like Nigeria and Cameroon and such. It it gets
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  Speaker 4: life or death, and you know it does here too.
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  Speaker 2: Are human problems, yeah, you know, And.
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  Speaker 4: I mean it does here too. If you're trans, you
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  Speaker 4: certainly are scared to walk down the street and all
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  Speaker 4: that stuff. But but it just I just have to
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  Speaker 4: tell you it. It's sad. It saddens me to hear
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  Speaker 4: these stories because as I am sitting here in my
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  Speaker 4: studio right now, in my comfy home in Las Vegas,
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  Speaker 4: you know, talking to a handsome man in Ukraine, there
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  Speaker 4: is someone in a cell as we speak right now.
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  Speaker 4: You know, at least five that we know of in
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  Speaker 4: Cameroon and Nigeria who are literally living in hell. And
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  Speaker 4: I'm sitting here talking about their situation. But that's all
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  Speaker 4: I can do. I can't do much more than that.
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  Speaker 4: I can't let them out. I don't have twelve grand
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  Speaker 4: to give, and so all I can do is talk
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  Speaker 4: about it. And it saddens me because if I ran
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  Speaker 4: the world, I would, you know, Trump likes to throw
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  Speaker 4: military weight around and everything. I would use American military
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  Speaker 4: to free gay people. I would. I mean, what's Nigeria
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  Speaker 4: going to do? Then you got a fucking army, you know,
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  Speaker 4: send in the Marines and clear out the gate.
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  Speaker 2: There was. You mentioned several sessions ago. You don't necessarily
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  Speaker 2: care about sort of the ebbs and flows of leaders,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, because they'll die or they'll lose power. You
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  Speaker 2: care about people. Similarly, these are shifting landscapes. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: my thinking is pretty simple. On a lot of these topics.
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  Speaker 2: Human rights are based on a principle of universalism. Are
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  Speaker 2: they being applied universally? If not, how can we make
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  Speaker 2: it so? And so that principle gets you pretty far,
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  Speaker 2: I think, And we could get a good example of
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  Speaker 2: the shifting landscape if you take the reporters of the
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Reporters Media Press Freedom Index as of now, the most
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: recent published index, the most recent update, it shifted now
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Ukraine during wartime with Russia is freer in terms of
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: the press then the United States during wartime i e.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: With Israel against I ran on that international ranking. It
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: is considered the most authoritative ranking on media press freedom.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: And so technically, when I'm reporting here a quarter of
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: that ranking that index, I am more free to report
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: from Kiev than from New York City.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: Well, I could have talked you that look how Trump
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: treats the press. If you ask him appointed question about
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: what's going on, he calls you stupid, He calls you dummy, blacklist, juwey,
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: what piggy quiet? Right, that calls you biggie exactly. So, yeah, no,
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: I can completely see that. And you know, and of
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: course over here we're taking a hit every day with LG.
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: You know, when we started with talking about Bumbach Pride,
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: you know, the actual festival, not the parade being canceled.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: If you could have seen the comments, oh, if you
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: could have seen the comments under it, it was like, oh,
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: thank god, America is finally healing. And you know all
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: this other I mean, people rejoicing that a Pride festival
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: was canceled in twenty twenty six in the United States.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: And that's solely because of Donald Trumper. You know, it's
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: solely because of Trump and his his anti gay rhetoric,
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: which he claimed he's a friend of the gays. He said, oh,
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: I used their national anthem. That shows how much he
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: knows YMCA is not our national anthem. It's raining men
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: is so's what he does. Well, we're gonna, we're gonna,
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: we're gonna have a break here in just a quick second,
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: we are talking with Scott this day week. He is
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: in Ukraine where he is freer to report on things
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: that he is in New York City. We'll talk more
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: issues can when we come back, including.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: Now is show side.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: You know we talked about a Pride festival being canceled.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: Scott Jacobsen is here with me from Ukraine. Uh. We
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: have a story that's sort of the opposite. Israel is
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: looking to not only have one, but like have the
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: biggest ever on a beach in Israel. I think it's
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: in Israel right that they said, yeah.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: At the Dead Sea and it's the largest ever LGBTQ
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: festival in the summer, which if you've been to till.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: Oh, he's crapping out his WiFi. I have not been,
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: he was gonna say, and we're gonna try to get
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: him back on. I have not been to Tel Aviv,
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: but I am told that the Tel Aviv Tel Aviv
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: LGBTQ Gay Pride Festival is by far one of the
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: best in Israel. I gotta try to get Scott back here.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: Let's disconnect there, let's reconnect the previous session. Let's see
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: if we can get him back. We're trying. I have
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: to let him in when he comes back, open the
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: door and let him in. Ooh yeah, yeah, let him in.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: Let mean. But what he was gonna say is that
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: is the tel Aviv LGBTQ gay Pride Festival is one
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: of the biggest. I know many friends who have gone
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: and said, oh my god, it's saddest. And tel Aviv
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: is actually one of the best LGBTQ pride communities or
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: LGBTQ communities in the Middle East, because let's remember, israelis
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: by Saudi Arabias, by all these other countries where gay
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: pride is not exactly a thing, and so the fact
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: that they have a pride festival in tel Aviv is
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: great in and of itself. Now, they want to put
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: on a four day festival at the shores of the
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: Dead Sea on June first. It's coming up, and they
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: want to fill the hotels. They want to have it
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: programmed twenty four to seven, and literally they want to
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: have like around the clock twenty four to seven, you know,
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: parties and festivals. I was sort of wishing I could
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: perform there, but they want to have that. So it's
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: going to be a four day festival. It's called I
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: believe it's not called World Pride because that already is taken.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: They're calling it Pride Land, Pride Land and Pride Land
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: will transform a section of the Judaean Dead Sea into
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: a party destination, with fifteen hotels and beach complexes, plus
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: parties and performances running around the clock, according to the
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: Jerusalem Post, So that is what's going on there. And
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: there is a private promoter. It's one guy actually, Aaron Cohen.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: He's the main producer of the festival. He said it'll
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: be the biggest undertaking for Israel's LGBTQ community. It's interesting
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: that they're having this at a time where they're actively
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: engaged in a war. You know, Israel is still bombing Syria,
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: it's still bombing Lemanon, Iran is still going on, and
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: they are asking people to come over and you know,
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: take part. So that that is very very interesting to
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: me that it's going on during a wartime. So we'll
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: we'll see how that goes. I'm trying to find Scott here,
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: Ad Scott Ad Scott Jacobson, are you added there? You are?
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: You're back all right? We were telling that speak up,
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: So I know you.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: I can hear you testing testing one there we go.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: So I was telling them that, yeah, that, and Aaron
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: Cohen is the producer. But it's called Pride Land. And yes,
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: tel Aviv is the most gay friendly city in the
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: Middle East. We know that, I mean, all gays kind
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: of know that. And it's amazing to me that they
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: want to do this with twenty four to seven programming
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: for four days because there's still a war zone. I mean,
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: you know, Israel still bombing Syria and Lebanon, and Iran
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: is still going on and Straight of Hormooth is still closed.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: But let's go party at the beach.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: I think it's I was in Israel briefly in the
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: summer last year. It is hot as hell in tel
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Aviv and Jerusalem, and a lot to fee a little
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: bit more south. If you're in the border crossings.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: Of the now our missiles still being lobbed you know
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: how they have the missile defense system there are they
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: are missiles still being lobbed into tel Aviv or has
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: Amas stopped that? Were they all coming from Gaza? I mean,
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: I don't know, because are they going to be maybe
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: under the threat of missiles if they go to the
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: Pride you know, big fort.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: There are some, that's a good question. There are some
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: ceasefires if they are launched. The volatility is intermittent with
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: regards to how much.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: Mm hmm, because we gazed when we don't do bombs, well,
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: you know, we don't. You know, don't don't bob our
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: Pride festivals. We don't. We don't do that. Okay. Uh,
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: I'm jealous. I'd like to perform at it. I'd love
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: to go singing for my my Jewish brethren, uh and
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: my Palestinian breath. I wonder, I wonder if there's going
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: to be Palestinians allowed at this big Pride festival, you know.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Legal yea, So maybe maybe we can bring peace to
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: the Middle East.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: Who knows, Bring the gaze over for a four day
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: festival and let them. We'll open that straight of horror moves.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: We'll be like, huh, girls, we got to get our
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: pride things through. We need loop, we need it's made
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: out of petroleum jelly. We need to bring through the tanker.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Big thing is going to slick through the straight damn
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: right fastest.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: That's right. Get some wet lubricant on the outside of
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: it and shove it right on through.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: It'll only hurt for the glittering with the moonlight, with
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: all the glitter on it.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's exactly so. You know, look, if they can
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: pull this off and have a four day successful Pride
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: festival in Israel, more power to them. I mean, particularly
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: now when we have little raging in the region, if
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: the gays can go and distract people, and I just
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: worry it'll be attacked, you know.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: As possible, and there will be hate groups. But like
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: in this war zone. I interviewed the project manager for
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Keith Pride, a gentleman named Mikhailo Eurov, and we did
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: an interview in the downtown core of Peteriski district here
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: at a coffe show, and they organize here too. There
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: were young men, Slavic men, who had planned to fill
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: condoms with feces and then fling them. They got thwarted
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: by the police. The police were sort of in coordination
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: and on the side of the organizers.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: But can you imagine hating gay people so bad you
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: will literally try to shove shit into a condom to
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: throw at somebody. I mean, that's like the grossest thing
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: I've ever heard. And yet they're willing to do it
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: just so they can hurl them at gay people, and
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: they think we're weird. They're going to shove shit into
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: a condom, but they think we're perpet Okay.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I've I've I've done a lot of interviews, I've read
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: a lot of stories, and that's among the more bizarre,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: gross stories that.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: I've Young straight men are crazy, They're in stuff. If
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: we could get rid of young great white Christian men
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: and older white Christian men, the world would just be
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: a lovely, lovely place, but we can't us.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: That's actually a really good segue.
• 29:29
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• 29:33
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• 30:18
  Speaker 4: Darling, Darling, what are you and your friends doing? And
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: their mom?
• 30:21
  Speaker 7: I told you not to bother us. We've got to
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: shove a lot of shit into these condoms. Is that
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: what you guys have been taking xlax alliday for? Anyway,
• 30:32
  Speaker 7: trying to figure out in my head how that goes
• 30:34
  Speaker 7: any where? Do they get the ship? You know, it's
• 30:36
  Speaker 7: like be how do they shove it into the condom?
• 30:39
  Speaker 7: Do they wear gloves? Are they they're all gonna get
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: you know, they'll get parasites, they'll probably die.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: Good for them.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Also, who are they sending to purchase? The number of
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: condoms are gonna need? Yeah, row and have enough so
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: to speak, ammunition that'll last.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: And what did they eat fiber for like three days previous?
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: I mean what you know, what what is going I've.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Seen that a musle here or anything either.
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. There's a there's a movie by Pierre Piolo Pasiolini,
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: which if you've ever seen any of his movies you
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: will remember them and they're very very look him up.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: Pierre Piolo Paciolini. Uh. He died actually at the hands
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: of a gay hooker, a young one sixteen year old
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: Turkish hooker. But he made movies about those very things.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: One of his movies Sallow, it's called s a l
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: o it is. It is possibly the most perverse film
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: I've ever seen. And one of the scenes is called
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: Circle of Shit. Uh, and they have a banquet where
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: everybody eats crap, and the crap that they eat is
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: from the women guest who were only fed fruit for
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: three days, and then they collect their poop from the
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: fruit and then they eat it. I don't know how
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: Pierre Piallo Pasiolini got the idea for that part of
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: the movie, but it's in a movie called Sallow. When
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: Andrew and I got a laser disc player in like
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: nineteen ninety eight, the only the Criterion collection was available
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: on laser disc, and they had all of Pierre Piallo
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: Pasiolini's movies, Saint Sebastian, there's one about Sebastian. They're all gay,
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: all of them, and they're all twisted. But he did
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: use ccs in his movie, and he had women eating fruit.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: So maybe the people over wherever they're throwing these condoms
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: in Kiev, maybe they had someone eat fruit for three days.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: Who knows, you know. I read the Marcia Gay Harden
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: story and I love her. By the way, all three
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: of her kids identifies as LGBTQ, and she made a
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: statement at the center, and what saddens me about the
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: story is that there are still people who need to
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: hear what she had to say because to me, what
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: she's saying is almost like the declaration we hold these
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: truths to be self evident. And what she was saying
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: is if you have queer children, if you have gay children,
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: and you alienate them, you throw them out, or you
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: cut your support for them, or you, it's only you
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: that suffers. You're the one that's missing out. You're going
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: to miss out on Christmases and birthdays, You're going to
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: miss out on you know, visits, you're going to miss
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: out on phone calls. That basically, as a parent, if
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: you do not accept your gay children or queer children,
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: LGBTQ children, you're the one that's going to miss out
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: because they're going to go on with their lives and
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: they're going to have friends, and they're gonna have lives
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: and you're not going to be included in that, and
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: you're going to miss out. And so that was the thrust,
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: and she was really talking to the mothers because mothers
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: are the nurturers and such in the relationships, and she
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: was basically saying, you know, hey, moms, if you don't
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: do this, you're going to miss out that you know
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: this is it's only you that's going to suffer, and
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: she's right.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: I think it's I think there's a lot of parents
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: that are in that situation, but with the realization only
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: at the deathbed are close to.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: It, you know. And we saw this during AIDS. A lot,
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: a lot age is on my mind. Andrew twenty five
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: years yesterday. That Andrew passed on Thursday the twenty first,
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: It was twenty five years And of course I was,
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: you know, very involved in the HIV AIDS community. And
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: I can't tell you how many people and not just
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: young people, twenty five year olds, thirty year olds, the
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: moment they got AIDS, their family just cut them off.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: Andrew family. When Andrew went back to Big Bear and
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: told his sister that he had HIV, they threw him out.
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: That's how I met him. They brought him to a hotel,
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: the Motel Sick next to the frat house in Garden Grove.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: They paid for two weeks of the hotel and said
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: he couldn't be around the kid. And we'll talk more
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: about that when we come back. But you know, I
• 35:17
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• 35:41
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• 35:43
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• 35:48
  Speaker 4: So I'm basically the Marcia Gay Harden of my time
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: because when I well, when I got with Andrew, I
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: mean with my benefit, it benefited me. I probably might
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: not have ever met him had a family not thrown
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: him out first. When he found out he had HIV AIDS.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: He found out from a horrible doctor at an HMO.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: He was in a room. The doctor came in said,
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: you tested HIV positive. There's only one drug, AZT. It's
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: not a very good drug. If I were you, I'd
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: get your affair in orders and tell your family you're
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: gonna die. Okay. And this was at twenty two years old. Okay.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: So then he leaves that doctor and he goes he
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: was staying with his aunt Pam, And he leaves the
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: doctor and goes to aunt Pam, who calls her boyfriend
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: and tells her what's going on, and the boyfriend says
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: he can't be at the house with the kids. Early
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: Days of AIDS. They didn't really know how it spread.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: So then Pam brought him to Big Bear. So he
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: goes up to Big Bear with the family. Candy, my
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: former sister in law, who we don't speak anymore, which
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: is fine with me, did the same thing, said you
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: can't be around the kids. Jake was a baby, Heather
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: was only five. So they drove him down the hill
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: to the motel six, bought him a twelve pack of beer,
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: paid for the hotel for two weeks, and left him there.
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: I met him over the course of that. Then once
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: we got together, he would always invite his mom down
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: from Big Bear, and every single fucking time she canceled
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: the last minute every time. So I finally wrote Yeah.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: So I finally wrote a letter to her and faxed
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: it this is the Days of Facts that basically said,
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: your son is an incredible human being and he has HIV,
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: so we don't know how long he's going to be here.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: You're the one missing out, not us. We're having a
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: great life. You know we're being us. You're missing out
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: on what could be the last years of your son's life.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: This is on you. He welcomes you, he wants you
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: to come, but you keep not coming. Oh well, every
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: family member had to well why is Charles doing writing
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: this letter about it? But whatever, guess what happened. Two
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: weeks later she showed up and we started traveling with her.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: I don't really like her, but we started traveling with
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: her and showing her the world. We took her to Hawaii,
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: San Francisco, other places. So she would have missed out
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: on all of that if she and so Marcia gay
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: Harden is right. If your mom and you are cutting
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: your child out for being gay or lesbian or buy
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: or queer or trans whatever, it's only you that misses,
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: you're making a big mistake. And if hearing it from
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: another mom can can inspire them, great.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: That's one of the two cents there too. To add
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: on to your point, the inversion of what is implied
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: by what she is saying in that article reporting matches
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: what you're saying about many young Christian straight men and
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: many older Christian straight men who essentially she when she's
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: mentioning focusing on the mothers, is that the men are
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: lost causes this.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: Well, in many ways, there, she's.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Right, and so I think there's there's a sort of
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: a a symmetry in sort of a mirroring of one
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: another what you were saying earlier, but then also her
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: commentary and one of the status is not Oscar.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: Winner, Yeah exactly. One of the saddest songs ever recorded
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: was during the Aids era by Elton John and it's
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: called Father and Son and the son is dying, and
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: it's about them and the horrible situation they find themselves in.
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: You know, it's one of the saddest songs. Well, I
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: never thought i'd lose. Oh we thought i'd win. I
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: never thought i'd feel the fire beneath my skin. I
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: can't believe you love me. I never thought you'd come.
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: I guess I misjudge love between a father and his son.
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: Just a tragic The father finally shows up as the
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: son is dying, but to the son it meant the world.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: It was like all the past was forgiven because finally
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: he shows up. Even though it's at the end. The
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: son never thought he'd showed up, would show up, and
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: he finally does. Just oh oh oh see I never
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: I haven't heard that song in decades for this very reason,
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: because it brings me right back to holding the hands
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: of people who were dying of HIV AIDS, and all
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: they wanted to do was see their mother or father,
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: and their mother and father wouldn't come because they had
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: the age, they had the gay plague, they had the
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: and they let them die alone or with their friends,
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: and all the person lying there in the bed wanted
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: to see was their mom or dad one last time,
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: and they didn't get to. And that's why Elton wrote
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: that too. Oh oh yeah, oh yeah, Elton. You know
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: Elton has been through it. So Marsha gay Harden is right,
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: never doubt an OSCAR winner if you are a parent
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: and you but but let's take this any let's take
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: this further if you how do I see it? So
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: when gay Pride parades, when I go to one, one
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: of the things people always do is lose their mind
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: for p Flag parents and friends of lesbians and gays. Okay,
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: it's a community service organization started basically during the HIV
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: AIDS era, and it is exactly that. It's parents and
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: friends of lesbians and gays who accept their siblings or
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: their children. And everyone would get mad at me because
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: I didn't stand up to cheer, and they're why aren't
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: you cheering these people and I said, because I never
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: knew it was an option to not love your child
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: because they were gay. You know, I didn't know that
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: parents got an option to not love their kids. It's
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: your kid. If the kid murders someone, you still gotta
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: love them, you know, It's like they're your child. And
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: so having an organization set up to honor people who
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: just love their kids because they're gay, that pisses me off. Actually,
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, I love them and good for them, and
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: I'm glad they're here and in our community. But to me,
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: you don't get a choice if your kid is gay.
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: You don't get a choice to not love them. They're
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: your kid, you know. So, and that goes for anything,
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: not just being gay. If they're dating, Like, how many
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: times have I heard back in the day, in the
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: seventies or eighties, someone brought home a date that was
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: the opposite color. Oh, Andrew did that. He brought home
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: a black guy. Oh, his mother and and father were racist,
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: and they went through the roof and he didn't really
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: want to date the black guy. He just wanted to
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: piss off mom and dad, so he brought home up.
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: So when they got to me, yeah, so when he
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: started dating me. They didn't like me, but at least
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: I was white, you know. So, but how could you
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: not love your child just because they fell in love
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: with someone of a different race. You know, if anything,
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: it would mean you raised them right, You raised them
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: to be open and accepting and loving and caring. So
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: I don't, you know, not just for being gay. I
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: think Marcia gay Harden should expanded out and say, if
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: you alienate your child for any cause, any bigotry, or
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: any kind of hatred that you may have in your soul,
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: it really is just harming you, you know, because they're
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: your kid, and you'll you'll miss out on a part
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: of their life that you won't ever get back.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Time with life and societies that produced a lot of
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: traumatize people who hurt in the hearts a lot.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they're called politicians. And this brings us to
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: the next story. But when you sent me this story,
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: I thought, well, he's you know, I don't want to
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: say you're not gay, because who knows. Maybe you're by
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: but or gay adjacent to whatever, but you're not old.
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: And one thing the gay community has always had a
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: problem with is we never met a substance. We didn't
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: like you know, alcohol and alcoholism has been rampant in
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: the gay community forever. Drugs, crystal meth, cannabis, cocaine in
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: the seventies and eighties, acid mushrooms. If you know a
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: gay person, you can get drugs because that I guarantee
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: you that gay person knows where to get drugs. And
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: that means even right now in today's world, if you
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: know someone gay, you've got a connection because someone in
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: his world or her world can deal drugs. And it
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: has ruined a lot of us. It has taken a
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: lot of lives prematurely, certainly caused a lot. You know,
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: now that gays are getting older, Oh yeah, now that
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: gay I knew him in that period. Now that gays
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: are getting older, we're now suffering not from AIDS, which
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: has become more of a chronic illness, but from the
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: lifestyle that we led, the you know, the polluting of
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: our liver and our bodies from all the drugs. So
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: this story about why do gay youth vape more than
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: their peers, it's the same reason that gay men and
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: women use more substances than perhaps their straight counterparts, and
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: that is because it's a co mechanism. You are bullied,
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: you are segregated, you are told you're different, you are
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: told you're less than, and so to escape that that
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: you turn to something that makes you feel better. And
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: the problem is drugs work, and alcohol works, and OxyContin works,
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: and meth works, and so gay people. But again I
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: would expand this out. I think black kids use drugs
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: and alcohol probably more than white kids or any minority.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: I think any marginalized community probably has higher rates of
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: substance abuse. And that's because of the bullying and the rejection.
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: And so this story about vaping, which I do see
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: a lot of young gay kids vaping. I do, and
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: I'm just like, you need to stop that. It's going
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: to fuck your lungs are going to fucking fall out.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: But I know why they do it, because it's a
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: coping mechanism. So this is this is a news story
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: about vaping and how gay teens are leading the way
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: and are outnumbering their straight teens. But it's not a
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: new subject. Gays have always medicated more than their straight
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: counterparts because of the rejection and the bullying and the
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: trauma of being LGBTQ in a world that doesn't accept you.
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: Even now, so I'm not surprised at this story. I
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: wish they were doing something other than vaping. I mean, hell,
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: cannabis even because that's at least it won't kill you.
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: But vaping tobacco is very bad for you, very very bad,
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: and hurts your lungs and give you asthma and harderrh
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: me is and all kinds of terrible stuff. But when
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: you're in pain, you don't think about that. You know,
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: you don't think about the harm that vaping is doing
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: when you're in emotional pain, because it helps with the
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: emotional pain.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: So also this ties into and one of the reasons
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: I like doing extended series over time with certain collaborators
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: is you see and can link certain patterns that come
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: up in the news stories, in the word, the academic articles,
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: or whatever the top might be. But this one ties
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: directly into that survey we saw a couple of times
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: in some of our previous sessions over the last several
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: weeks and months around mental health challenges of lgbt Q
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: plus youth. You know, this cope via vaping is reflective
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: of that similar issue. And then sort of your expanded
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: sociological analysis and sort of a reflection on your you know, I.
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: Think gay people are so extraordinary because we are so
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: fucked up. And I don't know any other way to
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: say that, because from that's why everyone says, why are
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: there so many gays in the arts. The arts are
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: filled with broken people. And I mean, I'm just gonna
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: say it. You know, actors, actresses, singers, we enter a
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: profession that is one of the hardest in the fun world.
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: And you know, the goal is to have your work accepted,
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: so adulation and you know, adulation and that is the
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: goal to have your work accepted and to be accepted
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: as an artist. So it's yet another way of yearning
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: for acceptance. And you are able to tap emotional depths
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: that other people can't because they haven't experienced them. And
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: so there's so many gay people in the arts because
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: the arts. To be a great artist, you have to
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: be broken. And there's no other way to say that.
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: Every great artist, Michaelangelo, you know, on down the line,
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: I could just go Oscar Wilde. You know, every great
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: artist has faced some kind of horrible adversity, whether it's
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: a stigma of being gay, or being black, or being
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: a woman, or whether you know, whatever it might be.
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: The more damaged you are, the more apt you are
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: to create great art.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Well, the any seven cases, while I think is also
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: interesting Da Vinci with his own case, with his accusations
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: they're meet against him by the church, those are particularly interesting.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: They might have a Freudian analysis potentially because it was
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: done around sexual orientation, which is to say, has done
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: her on the sex drive, and that breaking, shattering that
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: or fragmenting that in some way can produce, you know,
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: certain things that are unpredictably excellent.
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I just think the more damaged you are, the
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: more fabulous you are, because and what I mean is
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: there are two types of damaged people. One the ones
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: that it breaks, and we're seeing signs of that everywhere today.
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: My friend Steve has a neighbor. She's a lesbian. Yesterday
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: she was in the middle of harmon a busy street,
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: facing the sunset, shouting at Jesus as cars whizzed fire
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: on both sides. The night before, at ten o'clock at night,
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: she went out in the windstorm and laid on the
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: concrete and screamed at the Lord. So obviously this woman
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: is broken. She you know, she's not a well woman.
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: So she is left one Oh, religion is the ultimate
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: coping mechanism. It is the ultimate drug. It is it is,
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: you know, a big lie that you wrap yourself into
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: field better. But so she's broken, and I mean broken
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: as it needs medication, therapy, possibly an institution. She's broken.
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: Then there are other broken people. And I think that's
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: the rest of us, because every person or life and
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: some kind of trauma or big events or something that
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: has harmed them.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: Into Now it's show side.
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: You know, a child that's been through a divorce with
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: the parents and a messy divorce, or you know, we're
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: all broken in some way, everybody. There's not one human
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: alive that's not broken. But I just think the more
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: damaged you are and then deal with it, cope with
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: it and learn to get through it, the more extraordinary
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: you become. And I think that's why there's so many
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: really incredible gay people, gay and lesbian people and buy
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: and trance and all that, because we've had to face
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: a world that hates us, and yet we've had to
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: find joy and peace. Unlike speaking of that, we can
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: close with this story because it's probably international. Now. You
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: may have seen it in Ukraine, maybe you didn't, but
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: you might have ru Paul posted a video yesterday or
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: two days ago now and she said fascist is one
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: which I did not argue with her on that. She
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: said that forty five years of defunding education has made
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: an entire nation of non critical thinkers. So if you
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: want to argue for equality, and you want to argue
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: all these things, there's no one to argue with because
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: we have a nation of idiots that can't critically think.
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: I agree with her on that, but then her final
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: statement was, so, I guess the only answer is to
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: dance and sing and bring joy and laughter and dance
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: and that's it. Party, have a big party. I took
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: issue with a millionaire who could actually do something to
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: fight fascism telling us that the only solution now is
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: to dance and party. And Rue comes from my era,
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: and Rue remembers that during AIDS we did dance and party,
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: but we weren't ignoring AIDS. We were holding beat. The
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: bars were a different thing back in the day. Scar
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: you don't you probably haven't even been to that many
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: gay bars, but but I will tell you they are
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: not what you went to. Back in the day. We
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: didn't really have a lot of gay centers only enough.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: I went to one. I went with a person I
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: was dating and two of their friends in Lung Beach
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: to one.
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: Okay, years ago, you could have seen me there. You
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: might have seen me. Uh So, bars used to be
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: places where you got information. Our gay publications were there.
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: That's where we got information because you couldn't get a
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: gay publication online, you know, you could, only you had
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: to go to the bar to get it. So edge
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: Frontiers advocate those kinds of things. They were in the bars.
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: Second of all community service organizations. They didn't have offices
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: and big gay centers and all that. They often operated
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: out of the bars. They met at the bars. And
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: so back in the age of AIDS, yeah, we danced
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: and partied and sang, and we did it at the bars.
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: But at the bars we also organized, disseminated information, held fundraisers,
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: held benefits. We would call candidates in to come and
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: speak at the bars at the nightclubs where they'd stop
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: the music and the candidate would come in and speak,
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: or we'd have them do it in the afternoon, like
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: at four or five in the afternoon. So, yeah, we
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: danced and sang during AIDS, we sure did, But We
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: did it with a social conscience. We did it on
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: top of our activism. We didn't stop our activism to
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: dance and party. We did both. We incorporated dancing and
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: partying as part of our activism. And so for Ru
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: to say, well, fascism is one, it's because of forty
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: five years of defunding education. You might as well just
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: party and dance, it was really tone deaf. A lot
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: of publications of taking him to task right now, and
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: a lot of comments under his video are taking him
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: to task saying no.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't want it to be too heavy, hando
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: those other I mean, I mean finally, the message of
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: throwing hands in the air, even aside from the millionaire point,
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: it does. And again I'm speaking as Canadians hedging it
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: here because it's not my country anti American in some way,
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: because a lot of the civil rights movements have been
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: for over a century. So there's been a lot of
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: generational passing of the baton while still doing the work.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: It's not saying don't enjoy your life. It's saying pass
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: the baton at the same time. And there are younger
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: people who are coming up in this context who could
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: use a little bit of morale support potentially in that
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: context as well as contextualization, because, as we know, if
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: you have two things or something of equivalent value and
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: you gain it and then you lose it, the loss
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: of equivalent amount of the same thing feels worse than
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: the wind. That's how our minds work. So we're in
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: a point of regression, Americans particularly, So it feels worse
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: than the gains that have already been won. But it
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: only feels bad relative to many, many steps up that
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: you're and her generation built well.
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: And I can't slight her, I mean, let me let well.
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: I can. I do often because I don't like her.
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: But but I've gigged with her and had personal relations
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: with her and was not happy with with said personal relations.
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: I don't mean sex. I mean we gigged at a
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: gig and she boss my husband around and told me
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: to get out of my own dressing room and all
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: this other stuff, but and then didn't show up at
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: a fundraiser.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: She's wearing the Pharrell William's hat.
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: No, no, she didn't do that. At the time she would,
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: So I get her point that when things are the
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: darkest is when it's time to remember that you need joy.
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: I get what she is trying to say, that things
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: are very dark. Fascism has taken over. There's been forty
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: five years of defunding education. We're surrounded by idiots who
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: believe in fairy tales. And she even said that, which
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: made me happy, because you know how I feel about
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: Christians stay crazy, well, any religion. But so she's right
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: about that, but that we still have to find our joy. Okay,
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: I agree with that. You cannot let the weight of
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: the world turn you into a horrible person. You still
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: need to have fun, laughter, joy. They made music in Auschwitz.
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: I mean they did. They wrote symphonies in Auschwitz, so
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: you still gotta have some joy. But the way that
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: she presented it was like, well, since it's why, I
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: might as well just go dance and sing and throw
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: your hands. And you know, it's like, uh no, we're
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: still gonna fight, We're still gonna vote. The midterms are well,
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: we have not the actual midterms, but we have primaries
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: thing brain happening all week long this week and next
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: week and next month and and so we're already in
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: primary season and then the midterms are coming in November.
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: So there's a lot of work to do. Like my
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: primary here in Nevada is just two weeks away, and
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: if I want to campaign for a candidate that's gay friendly,
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: I have to do it now. So yes, dance sing,
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: don't let Trump and fascism ruin your life any more
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: than they are. But I just think that you need
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: to temper that message with stay involved. All right, Scott,
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: this is it another week of this gay week. We
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  Speaker 4: got to you in the Ukraine, the signal held up.
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  Speaker 4: We looked at gay people around the world.
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  Speaker 2: Some of it good, some of it bad, all of
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  Speaker 2: it good.
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  Speaker 4: And we'll do it again. And we'll do it again
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  Speaker 4: next week, same bat time, same bat channel. I am
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  Speaker 4: proud toybody.
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  Speaker 5: Bye, everybody yours.
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  Speaker 6: Listen daily to the Corelle cast on your favorite street.
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  Speaker 4: Hold on, I can get rid of all that for
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  Speaker 4: us to say a proper goodbye, you know, I'll have to.
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  Speaker 4: I don't have to be full. Yeah, I just did.
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  Speaker 4: It's all gone. Now we can say a proper goodbye.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, because with you, I don't know where
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  Speaker 4: the hell you're going to be in the next week.
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  Speaker 4: Why are you going back to Canada? By the way
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  Speaker 4: you do, you are a Canadian. That's not remind you.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that's true. I go on military media accreditation, so
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  Speaker 2: I can stay here. I think it's good for a year.
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  Speaker 2: So so I can come and go as I please know,
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  Speaker 2: And I think I could go to Chernobyl. I can
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  Speaker 2: go to Zapparizia where they have that nuclear plant.
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  Speaker 4: Why you'd want to With a whole different topic, let's
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  Speaker 4: go to radioactive zones. Did you want to have children
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  Speaker 4: one day? Because you want to fry those dusties right
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  Speaker 4: up to the body there? H So you're gonna stay
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  Speaker 4: there for a year?
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  Speaker 2: I can't imagine that.
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  Speaker 4: But are you independently wealthy? I need to know. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: how are you affording staying in the Ukraine for or
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  Speaker 4: is it just cheap to be there?
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  Speaker 2: I am not independently wealthy. I make money and then
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  Speaker 2: I use that frugally. I love a very reasonable lifestyle.
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  Speaker 4: How much is dinner in the Ukraine if you go
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  Speaker 4: out to eat? If you go, oh chet, let me
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  Speaker 4: guess they have uber in the Ukraine uber eats.
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  Speaker 2: How much is a standard meal outing actually, let's say
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  Speaker 2: an American meal A few burgers, some fries and a
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  Speaker 2: coca cola at McDonald's maybe six to twelve dollars almost
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  Speaker 2: as here.
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  Speaker 4: Somehow I thought Ukraine would be cheap, Like you could
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  Speaker 4: go to dinner for ten bucks.
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  Speaker 2: Three hamburgers is probably four dollars and fifty cents US.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, well, that's a much cheaper three hamburgers here would
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  Speaker 4: be well, you need a mortgage. But well, I mean
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  Speaker 4: because literally a big mac and McDonald's now I think
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  Speaker 4: is six ninety nine, so that's a lot. Three of
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  Speaker 4: those would be twenty one dollars. And what about like
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  Speaker 4: you're staying with friends? Right? You have friends that you're
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  Speaker 4: staying with, and how much is their rent?
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  Speaker 2: I cannot disclose.
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  Speaker 4: You've never asked.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to say, well.
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  Speaker 4: Is it more or less than a united like a
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  Speaker 4: one Let's say a one bedroom in Las Vegas is
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  Speaker 4: fifteen hundred dollars a month. Where does the one bedroom
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  Speaker 4: in Ukraine fall?
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  Speaker 2: Let's find out how much is a one bedroom?
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  Speaker 4: Why aren't you going to do clothes? Are you staying
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  Speaker 4: with rich friends? Are you in mansions over there?
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  Speaker 2: So if they say fifteen to fifty three thousand livnia,
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  Speaker 2: let's do the Olympic rule and say twenty to fifty
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  Speaker 2: put in the middle thirty five thousand, thirty five thousand
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  Speaker 2: on an average Oneifania.
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  Speaker 4: What's the money called there?
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  Speaker 2: Klavania?
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  Speaker 4: Clivnia?
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  Speaker 2: Close enough?
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  Speaker 4: What ever? Something of a bad dish that you make
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  Speaker 4: with droking off noodles?
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  Speaker 2: Seven hundred and ninety dollars.
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  Speaker 4: So eight hundred bucks. So it is cheaper to live
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  Speaker 4: in Ukraine, in and Canada.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's a war.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I would think, and war things go up because
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  Speaker 4: over here because over here where with iron and trust me,
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  Speaker 4: shit's gone up. Okay, gas is five dollars a gallon.
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  Speaker 2: Foreign companies are more expensive.
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  Speaker 4: How much is gas in Ukraine? It's five dollars a gallon? Here?
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  Speaker 4: Much you don't buy gas? How do you get around.
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  Speaker 2: By foot? In transit and flight and train and bus?
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  Speaker 4: Well, excuse the fuck out of me.
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  Speaker 2: I mean you know, I remember I was in Iceland.
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  Speaker 4: Lift drivers in Ukraine, I mean you know they do.
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  Speaker 2: They have Uber and Bolton Ukland. Okay, I remember I
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  Speaker 2: was in Iceland and I was riding a scooter and
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  Speaker 2: to get around. Was there for three weeks studying because
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  Speaker 2: well the Economic Forum has said the most of equal
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  Speaker 2: and the world. So I was doing some fieldwork there.
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  Speaker 4: I could go into an executive in Hollywood and say, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: imagine this a guy's riding a scooter in Iceland, and
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  Speaker 4: the movie would be sold. They'd buy it right then
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  Speaker 4: and there. And that's all I would happen to say. So,
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  Speaker 4: a guy's riding a scooter in Iceland.
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  Speaker 2: And it was the middle, it was rainy, and it
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  Speaker 2: was June, and I think it was with a Mexican
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  Speaker 2: or an Icelandic lady of it. But I remember they
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  Speaker 2: had at their museum. I scooted to the museum from
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  Speaker 2: the hostel and it's like the Museum of Natural History,
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  Speaker 2: but you go into an actual glacier that they that
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  Speaker 2: they keep on ice, and the glacier doesn't exist anymore,
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  Speaker 2: but it's about one hundred meters of walking through. It
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  Speaker 2: was really cool, and I remember on the scooter ride home,
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  Speaker 2: I think it was home.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I the wooden path was all through this sort of
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  Speaker 2: gardeny tree grassy field and on a raised platform, so
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  Speaker 2: you feel like you're going through.
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  Speaker 4: Like figure in Pandora.
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  Speaker 2: Basically it felt kind of like it. I felt, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I felt like it was. I was blue and I
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  Speaker 2: shot arrows and when I was there, though, I remember
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  Speaker 2: the I pressed the brake, but it was slimy. It's
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of film of bacteria had grown on
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  Speaker 2: the boardwalk. I guess you're lovely and so the so,
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  Speaker 2: but it's only it wasn't It was just the front
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  Speaker 2: tire was a break and the back so the back
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  Speaker 2: tire keeps going forward as the front one stops and
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  Speaker 2: I immediately and it's and then it just tilts and
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  Speaker 2: I land and I smacked the hell out of my
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  Speaker 2: ribs and I bruised them really bad and they were
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  Speaker 2: bruised for six weeks. When I was going through Italy
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  Speaker 2: and Switzerland at the UN covered the Humrit's Council and Strasburg,
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  Speaker 2: the European Parliament, Luxembourg, France, Lithuania. I think it was
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  Speaker 2: only when I got to Israel and got interrogated that
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  Speaker 2: they had finally healed up, and then.
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  Speaker 4: Rubbing Israeli guards and broke them all over again.
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  Speaker 2: It was ironic because just when I had healed up,
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  Speaker 2: then I was getting interrogated for I think it was
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  Speaker 2: four and a half hours by them.
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  Speaker 4: This is why you're single. Just just FYI, this is
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  Speaker 4: why you're single, because no one's going to put up
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  Speaker 4: with all that. So gas in the Ukraine is a
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  Speaker 4: dollar seventy one per leader and what is it four
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  Speaker 4: leaders for gallon, so that it's actually more than the
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  Speaker 4: US then, because it would be almost three dollars, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: be about six plus. Uh, So you guys are paying
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  Speaker 4: even more than we are there for gas because this
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  Speaker 4: is directly because of Iran, no two ways about it. Well,
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  Speaker 4: and with you guys with Russia as well, because I
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  Speaker 4: imagine Ukraine used to get oil from Russia and now
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  Speaker 4: they don't, and yeah, and now they're not. They can't
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  Speaker 4: get it from whole hardly anywhere because the Strait of
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  Speaker 4: Hormouth is closed. So yeah, so six dollars plus a gallon,
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  Speaker 4: So not everything is cheaper in Ukraine. I imagine groceries
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  Speaker 4: are probably high there too, because they're high here. I
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  Speaker 4: imagine you guys are mimicking what's going on here.
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  Speaker 2: Of the eastern European European countries, I think this second
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  Speaker 2: pooris is Moldova, and then Ukraine in war Rust is
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  Speaker 2: not a very rich country either, but I think that
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  Speaker 2: they consider it more Eurasian than European. And uh and
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  Speaker 2: it shows some in a certain areas where it's kind
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  Speaker 2: of like that.
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  Speaker 4: I was just curious about, Like I could not be
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  Speaker 4: away from home for a couple of months, I'd be
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  Speaker 4: dead ass broke. I'd be over there, like you know, panhandling, saying,
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  Speaker 4: you know, from passage back to the USA or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: I've been traveling. I was only going to plant. I
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  Speaker 2: was only going to go for two or three or
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  Speaker 2: top four weeks because my third trip I wanted to
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  Speaker 2: My first trip is two and a half weeks. I
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  Speaker 2: was working at the horse farm covering a question. Is
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  Speaker 2: some mid Olympic horse farm there that put porte was finished.
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  Speaker 4: You can also tell you have no pets or house plants,
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  Speaker 4: because you know, sure the dead by now.
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  Speaker 2: Actually when my second trip, my last cat died when
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  Speaker 2: I was on my last trip.
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  Speaker 4: My second trip, probably from loneliness. I just want, I'm
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  Speaker 4: just kidding's eighteen years Oh, he was old and you
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  Speaker 4: saw it.
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  Speaker 2: He used to mail like a.
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  Speaker 4: He was eighteen years old, and you probably saw it
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  Speaker 4: for four of those years, and the other fourteen you
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  Speaker 4: were out traveling the world. All right, Scott is in Ukraine.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know where he'll be next week. We can
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  Speaker 4: just tune in and see. We'll throw a dart, but
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  Speaker 4: the map and see where it ends up. But stay safe,
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  Speaker 4: stay out of the drone fights and all of that,
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  Speaker 4: and no more interrogations and and we will see you
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  Speaker 4: next week.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, thank you very much, Curl.
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  Speaker 4: I appreciate I am CORELBI who you want to be. Son,
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  Speaker 4: doesn't hurt anybody