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  Speaker 1: Peter Krendland live on sky Ingins Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to Credlin, stup price with you Fillean
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  Speaker 2: for Peter on this Thursday. As Federal Parliament, as we know,
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  Speaker 2: raps for the year with a bang. Among other developments,
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  Speaker 2: the National Party officially loses three time Deputy Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: and former That's leader Barnaby Joyce. The government rams through
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  Speaker 2: new environmental laws in a deal with the Greens, and
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  Speaker 2: the world reacts to those horrendous deadly apartment fires in
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  Speaker 2: Hong Kong and an assassination attempt in Washington wounds two
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  Speaker 2: National guardsmen. Quite the day. Here's how we are digging
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  Speaker 2: into all the detail tonight on Kredlin on the Barnaby
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  Speaker 2: Jeyce decision, Deputy Nationals Leader Kevin Hogan and what that
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  Speaker 2: decision means for his party going forward. I'll also get
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  Speaker 2: Kevin's view of the new environmental bill which went through
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  Speaker 2: the Senator, is going through the Senate as we speak.
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump's anglar. He reacted to the attempted murder of
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  Speaker 2: those to National guardsmen in Washington on the streets the
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  Speaker 2: police his own anti crime crackdown. I'll talk to the
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  Speaker 2: Australian's Greg Sheridan on that, plus the so called Ukraine
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  Speaker 2: peace deal, and also tonight on Kredlin. While we're on
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  Speaker 2: the environment, new developments on claims that imported wind turbines
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  Speaker 2: from China have been found to have asbestos in some
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  Speaker 2: of their parts. I'll talk to one of those concerned
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  Speaker 2: farmers about that scare on the program. Plus the Victorian government.
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  Speaker 2: Here we go again. They're going to apologize in Parliament
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  Speaker 2: to indigenous Victorians as part of that treaty protest in
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  Speaker 2: the state of Victoria when we'll it end, But first
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  Speaker 2: tonight yours have to have a level of suspicion when
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  Speaker 2: political parties determine to ram through new legislation and set
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  Speaker 2: deadlines like the one set this week around these new
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  Speaker 2: environmental laws. Now the Prime Minister got his way and
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  Speaker 2: the Greens did a deal folded last night. What do
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  Speaker 2: the new laws actually do to mining, to agriculture, to
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  Speaker 2: forests and to the general environment. Well, that seems to
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  Speaker 2: depend on who you listen to. If you take the
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister at his word, it's a win for everybody,
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  Speaker 2: which is very hard to believe. This is a good deal.
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  Speaker 3: This is consistent with the principles that we went into
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  Speaker 3: those negotiations with. This had to be a good outcome
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  Speaker 3: for the environment and a good outcome for business, and
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  Speaker 3: so I've engaged very directly myself as Prime Minister, not
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  Speaker 3: just this term but.
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  Speaker 4: Last term as well.
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  Speaker 3: As has been well documented, I wanted to make sure
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  Speaker 3: that we ticked off on the big things that were required.
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  Speaker 2: All sunshine and light for our Prime Minister. On the
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  Speaker 2: opposite side, though, National Senator Bridget mackenzie on Sky Today
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  Speaker 2: talked about seven red lines that the Coalition had surrounding
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  Speaker 2: the changes to those laws.
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  Speaker 5: Well, the Labor Party wouldn't agree to our seven requests,
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  Speaker 5: and at the end of the day we got close
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  Speaker 5: to I think it was five out of seven, but
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  Speaker 5: we needed the whole seven to actually be okay with
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  Speaker 5: what we think is a really negative piece of legislation
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  Speaker 5: that's been rammed through the Senate right now, the biggest
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  Speaker 5: changes to our environmental framework in decades being rammed through
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  Speaker 5: and you can hear the bells right now without debates,
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  Speaker 5: without the Senate inquiry. The Senate Inquiry is still running.
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  Speaker 5: So it begs the question, there's no technical reason in
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  Speaker 5: the bills why it had to happen before Christmas. Why
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  Speaker 5: we couldn't have had the inquiry run its course and
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  Speaker 5: then make these changes and arrangements once you had the
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  Speaker 5: evidence from across our economy and our communities. But they
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  Speaker 5: wanted to win on the last day of Parliament and
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  Speaker 5: they were prepared to sell their souls to do it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there you have it. So what about the Greens.
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  Speaker 2: I think the Greens would be happy. I mean they've
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  Speaker 2: done a deal overnight. Not the Coalition. They'd have to
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  Speaker 2: be happy. Would they listen to Larisa Waters? Not so much.
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  Speaker 6: We were able to stop coal and gas being fast
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  Speaker 6: tracked under our environmental laws, but the government refused to
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  Speaker 6: include climate considerations in the Act.
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  Speaker 2: Well it seems, as is always the case, it depends
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  Speaker 2: on your vested interests. The gas industry was very clear
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  Speaker 2: claiming the changes and the deal with the Greens in particular,
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  Speaker 2: would quote the changes would in trench slow approvals and
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  Speaker 2: key for us. They say it will drive up energy costs. Well,
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  Speaker 2: no one wants that. And on top of that, the
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  Speaker 2: Australian Energy Produces CEO Samantha McCulloch. She claims the negotiated
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  Speaker 2: carve out of coal and gas projects from the fast
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  Speaker 2: tracked approvals process was quote simply not in the national interest.
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  Speaker 2: So you've got to ask how Anthony alban is he
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  Speaker 2: can be so happy about that. She claims the deal
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  Speaker 2: will entrench slow approvals, and she also says the new
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  Speaker 2: laws will drive up energy costs, deter investment and further
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  Speaker 2: delay the new gas supply that Australia urgently needs. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: how are any of those things good unless you are,
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  Speaker 2: of course, a member of the Greens. John Meen now
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  Speaker 2: to recap the final parliamentary sitting day of the year
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  Speaker 2: political reporter Cam Red and Cam, great to see you.
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  Speaker 2: I was in the car listening to Sky Radio for
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  Speaker 2: all of question time. At the end of the end
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  Speaker 2: of question time it almost got out of control. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the speaker nearly lost control of the house. It was
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  Speaker 2: crazy stuff, stupid stuff. It's like kids going on vacation
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  Speaker 2: at the end of you know, they've completed their VCE
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  Speaker 2: or the HSC. They were all out of their minds.
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  Speaker 7: Schoolies week in Parliament, Steve, we have the lights go
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  Speaker 7: out yesterday. We had a couple of stunts throughout the
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  Speaker 7: week as well. You might have seen this footage of
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  Speaker 7: all the Coalition MPs holding up some signs where I
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  Speaker 7: think there were photos of the Prime Minister on it,
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  Speaker 7: photos of or print outs of two hundred and seventy
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  Speaker 7: five dollars making a point about the power bills. So
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  Speaker 7: it all goes a little bit nuts in this rush
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  Speaker 7: to the end of the year. The good news, if
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  Speaker 7: you like, Steve probably as much for us in the
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  Speaker 7: press galery as everyone in the chamber, as we're probably
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  Speaker 7: not coming back tomorrow. The government's ticking off its final
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  Speaker 7: legislation at the moment, so all of that is set
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  Speaker 7: to be tied up before the night's out and there
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  Speaker 7: won't be one more day. There is, of course Senate
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  Speaker 7: estimates next week as well, so the poor senator's back
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  Speaker 7: for at least one more week.
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  Speaker 2: The environment laws, I just talked about them. There there's
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  Speaker 2: been I it depends who you talk to as to
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  Speaker 2: whether this is the greatest thing that's ever happened to
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  Speaker 2: the country or the worst cict's ever happened at the country.
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  Speaker 2: I know you've got an update on that, but where
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  Speaker 2: is that in regard to the Senate. Has that gone through?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, so it's sticking through the process of Steve there'll
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  Speaker 7: be debate in the Senate on this. There are still
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  Speaker 7: speakers from the Greens going at the moment until six
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  Speaker 7: thirty tonight, when the guillotines set to kick in. Then
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  Speaker 7: it will be passed and flicked off to the House
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  Speaker 7: of Representatives. So it should all be formally legislated by
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  Speaker 7: about seven thirty eight o'clock tonight, once all those hurdles
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  Speaker 7: have been cleared. So that's why it's still not one
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  Speaker 7: hundred percent certain whether we're coming back tomorrow, but the
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  Speaker 7: most likely outcome is that's all done in dusted. They've
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  Speaker 7: all got planes to catch. Everyone wants to get out
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  Speaker 7: of here on time and not have to come back
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  Speaker 7: in the morning. So we can expect tomorrow Steve for
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  Speaker 7: the Prime Minister, probably the Environment Minister as well, to
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  Speaker 7: go out on.
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  Speaker 2: The big cell for this.
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  Speaker 7: A lot of people, including some of the business communities,
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  Speaker 7: still trying to wrap their heads around exactly what this
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  Speaker 7: will mean. Fifteen hundred odd pages of legislation, the biggest
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  Speaker 7: upgrade or change if you like, to environmental laws in many,
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  Speaker 7: many years.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to talk to Kevin Hogan about it.
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  Speaker 4: Later.
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  Speaker 2: We saw Bridget McKenzie there, Cam where she said that
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  Speaker 2: the Coalition had seven points that they were simply not
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  Speaker 2: prepared to cave on. They were saying, well, here's our
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  Speaker 2: seven amendments that we want. If you can't give us
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  Speaker 2: all seven, we're not involved in the deal. Is that
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  Speaker 2: good politics? I mean, I suppose at the end of
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  Speaker 2: the day, what they can now say is that Labours
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  Speaker 2: embed again with the Greens and when some of these
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  Speaker 2: laws do cause problems, particularly in agriculture, well then they're
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  Speaker 2: going to be out to say we told you so.
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  Speaker 7: It was put to me this way, Steve, that there
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  Speaker 7: were sort of two scenarios where we could have ended
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  Speaker 7: up tonight. One was where we've got to the government
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  Speaker 7: doing a deal with the Greens, where the Coalition there
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  Speaker 7: is certainly some frustration amongst the business community that they
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  Speaker 7: could not get this deal over the line, even if
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  Speaker 7: say four or the five or five of the seven
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  Speaker 7: requirements were met, and if the Coalition had come out
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  Speaker 7: and said, well, there are some changes we'd make it
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  Speaker 7: where we agree on the bulk of this. There was
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  Speaker 7: even the view, certainly in the business community that at
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  Speaker 7: least that would have set most of the at least
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  Speaker 7: the major parties on the same page when it comes
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  Speaker 7: to this really complicated area of law, the alternative universe. Steve,
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  Speaker 7: they'd done the deal with the Coalition, the Greens would
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  Speaker 7: have had some covert to vote against it, saying that
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  Speaker 7: they were fighting for the environment. Business would have preferred,
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  Speaker 7: there's no doubt about that, the Coalition being the ones
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  Speaker 7: as the partner of choice. It just didn't happen in
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  Speaker 7: the end. So there's certainly some frustration there's Steve. That's
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  Speaker 7: been expressed to me privately. Of course, it's now really
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  Speaker 7: on the government to sell that. The Prime Minister says
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  Speaker 7: that there's no problem with the relationship with business. I
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  Speaker 7: suppose we'll see exactly how this plays out seasonally. He
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  Speaker 7: probably didn't want to give the government a win, but
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  Speaker 7: I'm not sure that this outcome really does benefit the
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  Speaker 7: Coalition at all.
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  Speaker 2: What did happen today is Barnaby Joyce. Obviously we saw
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  Speaker 2: that unfold live on Sky watching Edric Glenell and Tom
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  Speaker 2: Connell sitting there nervously waiting for him to appear. He
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  Speaker 2: appears now that he's going to sit on the back
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  Speaker 2: bench as an independent up with the Independence now for
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  Speaker 2: the rest of this term. Didn't he tell you a
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  Speaker 2: few weeks ago that he'd ruled out becoming an independent.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, and he didn't want to that. He wants to
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  Speaker 7: be in a party, but is not going as far
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  Speaker 7: as to commit to One Nation today, Steve. So he's
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  Speaker 7: got a couple of months to make his mind up.
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  Speaker 7: We're back in the first week of February next year,
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  Speaker 7: leaning head this idea that he'd be running on the
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  Speaker 7: One Nation Senate ticket next time around. That would, in theory,
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  Speaker 7: if he got up, which he probably would on the
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  Speaker 7: numbers in New South Wales, give him another six years.
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  Speaker 7: But in the Senate somewhere he served before, he still
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  Speaker 7: isn't biting that bullet, Steve, and you could really get
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  Speaker 7: a feeling from current Nationals, MPs and senators to even
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  Speaker 7: the former National John Whacker Williams, who, as Andrew revealed today,
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  Speaker 7: sent Barnaby a text message saying if you jump, if
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  Speaker 7: you do this, you're making a political enemy out of me.
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  Speaker 7: And I've backed you for several decades. So there are
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  Speaker 7: relationships that have gone up in smoke because of this, Steve,
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  Speaker 7: and nobody, as they say, like a rat in politics.
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  Speaker 7: The most recent one probably was Fatima Payman, and we
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  Speaker 7: saw the response from Labor MPs when she defected to
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  Speaker 7: become an independent. So how the Nationals deal with Barnaby
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  Speaker 7: Joyce going forward? Will see because it's acknowledged openly that
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  Speaker 7: he's a retail politician, he's popular in the Bush and
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  Speaker 7: he could be a real political threat to the Nationals
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  Speaker 7: in some areas.
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  Speaker 2: Can't wait to that week of February when he turns
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  Speaker 2: up and question time in Parliament sitting next to Menique
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  Speaker 2: Ryan and Zari Stegel. That'll be something to behold when
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  Speaker 2: he turns up in those seats up the back cam.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks been a busy day, It's been great to see.
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  Speaker 2: Good on your mote. Thank you very much. The news
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  Speaker 2: continue to roll on. Let's get into the panel tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph James Willis joins the Sky News contributor carollly
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  Speaker 2: Kats and Barness joins us as well. Welcome to you both,
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  Speaker 2: great to see you. Let's stick with Barnaby. He s
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  Speaker 2: quit the Nationals, clearly appears headed to one nation, but
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  Speaker 2: it seems he's going to, as I just said, serve
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  Speaker 2: this time as an independent. This answer outside Parliament seems
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  Speaker 2: to suggest to me at least that he might put
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  Speaker 2: his hand up to stand for the Senate in New
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  Speaker 2: South Wales.
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  Speaker 8: Have a look, I think that it'd be really hard
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  Speaker 8: for the Coalition to win the next election. I hope
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  Speaker 8: they do, but I think it's going to be really
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  Speaker 8: difficult from where they are. And therefore in the House,
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  Speaker 8: especially if you're sort of on the oud, you're not relevant. Yeah,
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  Speaker 8: you're just you know, dis Gordon boys at the best.
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  Speaker 8: And I think in the Senate you've got more capacity
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  Speaker 8: in the committee system and also the numbers I reckon
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  Speaker 8: in the Senate will be tighter after the election, and
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  Speaker 8: because they're tighter after the election, I think you have
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  Speaker 8: more effect.
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  Speaker 2: James if he gets himself on that New South Wales's
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  Speaker 2: Senate ticket standing for One Nation, he'd probably be assueing,
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't I mean, he's probably in the top five politicians
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  Speaker 2: in the country that everyone knows.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think that's right, Stephen, to be honest, I
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  Speaker 9: was a little bit surprised by this because if you
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  Speaker 9: have a look at New England, I think the one
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  Speaker 9: Nation primary vote was about nine percent there at the
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  Speaker 9: last election, so with his popularity, he could have easily.
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  Speaker 10: Tried to contest that seat again.
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  Speaker 9: And you know, with his being a household name, I
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  Speaker 9: think he would have had a very decent chance of
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  Speaker 9: winning that. But obviously he's given every indication there that
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  Speaker 9: the Senate would be the way to go, and with
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  Speaker 9: One Nation's popularity rising in the way that it is, well,
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  Speaker 9: certainly that Senate vote will be significant and he would
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  Speaker 9: have a very chance of getting into the Senate and
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  Speaker 9: being able to join a block alongside the other One
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  Speaker 9: Nation senators and really have a very decent balance of
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  Speaker 9: power when it comes to voting and also scrutinizing legislation.
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  Speaker 9: But I mean the elephant in the room here, Steve,
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  Speaker 9: is that clearly there's been a massive falling out here
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  Speaker 9: with the Nationals hierarchy, particularly David Little Proud, and obviously
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  Speaker 9: he's heard what the Nationals grassroots members have said and
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  Speaker 9: decided that the political party, when they're a mile behind
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  Speaker 9: in opposition and really no chance of winning the next election,
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  Speaker 9: that he's got to go in a different direction. So
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  Speaker 9: people are going to make up their own minds about him.
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  Speaker 9: I still think he is someone that has the courage
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  Speaker 9: of his convictions, a very intelligent, very good retail politician,
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  Speaker 9: and it'll be fascinating to see where this plays out.
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  Speaker 9: But we certainly haven't seen the last headline on this yet, Steve,
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  Speaker 9: I think there's a long way to go to figure
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  Speaker 9: out where Barnaby does finally end up.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, Caroly, I mean, as I say there, Barnaby is,
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  Speaker 2: if not the best retail politician the Coalitions had. I
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  Speaker 2: mean he's a regular here on Sky. He appears weekly
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  Speaker 2: or even twice a week on commercial television on the
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  Speaker 2: breakfast shows. I mean that's a big loss because I mean,
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  Speaker 2: like him or loathe him, Australians know who he is.
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  Speaker 2: So for one nation, it's not going into the the
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  Speaker 2: AFL draft and getting picked number one. If you're going
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  Speaker 2: to recruit someone who's well known around the country that
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  Speaker 2: people listen to, Barnaby's you go to guy, isn't he?
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  Speaker 2: He sure is?
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  Speaker 11: And look, you know you need to say Barnaby. He's
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  Speaker 11: just known by his first name, Barnaby. It's a bit
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  Speaker 11: like Madonna, isn't it. They're known for the one name.
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  Speaker 4: The one thing I will.
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  Speaker 11: Say, isn't a bit like you Pricey? Just say price
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  Speaker 11: to you know, everyone knows who you are around Australia.
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  Speaker 11: But in all seriousness, it's the end of thirty years
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  Speaker 11: he spent there. One thing I will say though, is
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  Speaker 11: he is a man of passion and at least he
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  Speaker 11: stands for something. We saw that he was very frustrated
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  Speaker 11: with net zero. It is fair to say that if
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  Speaker 11: he hadn't taken the stand like he did and with
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  Speaker 11: Matt Canavan, the coalition would still be arguing about which
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  Speaker 11: direction they're going to go in. We saw him sort
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  Speaker 11: of team up with Michael McCormack. You know, they've got
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  Speaker 11: history together, you know, with a little proud very early
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  Speaker 11: early on, several months ago, with this net zero. He
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  Speaker 11: listens to the people in his electorate. He's passionate about
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  Speaker 11: net zero. It's exactly what we've all said on sky
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  Speaker 11: for months and months and months. So he's prepared to put,
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  Speaker 11: for one of a better word, his money where his
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  Speaker 11: mouth is. One thing I will say though, is that
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  Speaker 11: he would be a real asset to one nation. I
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  Speaker 11: mean Pauline Hanson. She's also Pauline. Everyone knows her, but
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  Speaker 11: she has unfortunately teamed up with people that have, you know,
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  Speaker 11: let her down the garden path the wrong way. For example,
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  Speaker 11: you had Rod Cullerton, the Senator in wa elected in
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  Speaker 11: twenty sixteen that ended in disaster. Mark Latham's been a
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  Speaker 11: disaster in New South Wales, David Oldfield as well. I
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  Speaker 11: mean Barnaby ads. I don't want to insult Pauline or
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  Speaker 11: One Nation or James, but Barnaby would actually add a
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  Speaker 11: lot of ballaced and real credibility to One Nation. It
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  Speaker 11: would actually get a lot of Australians to look at
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  Speaker 11: it as perhaps a more mainstream party. And you know what, Yes,
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  Speaker 11: of course he wants to leave One Nation, everyone can
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  Speaker 11: see that. But let's see how he goes. He's very
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  Speaker 11: popular in New England and he's prepared to roll the dice.
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  Speaker 11: We'll see how he goes. I mean, don't forget he
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  Speaker 11: won the seat of Tony windsor many many moons Ago
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  Speaker 11: as well. So you know, Barnaby retail politician, it's his brand.
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  Speaker 11: If he joins with One Nation, Let's see how he goes.
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  Speaker 2: James currently makes it a pretty good point there. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you're based in New South Wales. We saw what happened
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  Speaker 2: when Mark Latham took over the leadership of One Nation
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  Speaker 2: in New South Wales. I mean the dynamics between Pauline
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  Speaker 2: and Barnaby seemed to be pretty good. I mean, how
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: else would you survive having some uncook you a Wagu's
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: steak on a sandwich press. I mean you have to
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: trust them, don't you.
• 16:58
  Speaker 10: I think so. And again I mean in all points
• 17:00
  Speaker 10: to the fact.
• 17:01
  Speaker 9: That because the traditional Conservative Party steve the Liberals and
• 17:06
  Speaker 9: also the Nationals, but not as much of the Nationals.
• 17:07
  Speaker 10: This is more about the.
• 17:08
  Speaker 9: Liberal Party because they can't figure out what they stand
• 17:11
  Speaker 9: for at the moment. You've got moderates going to the left,
• 17:13
  Speaker 9: conservatives going to the right, and you know, arguing over
• 17:16
  Speaker 9: where they stand on migration and ned zero. Very similar
• 17:20
  Speaker 9: to what we're seeing in other countries around the world,
• 17:23
  Speaker 9: including some of our biggest allies, is that our voters
• 17:26
  Speaker 9: are dying out for a true conservative party and look,
• 17:29
  Speaker 9: to be honest, is the years have gone on, One
• 17:31
  Speaker 9: Nation has become a lot more organized. I mean, I've
• 17:34
  Speaker 9: been previously critical of some of their strategies during elections
• 17:37
  Speaker 9: where they seem to be running ghost candidates that no
• 17:40
  Speaker 9: one knew about. But you can guarantee that you can
• 17:42
  Speaker 9: see this momentum taking shape and someone like Barnaby, if
• 17:46
  Speaker 9: he does join One Nation, would bring real credibility and
• 17:50
  Speaker 9: cut through and You're right. It does matter when you
• 17:52
  Speaker 9: can get on mainstream TV every week, when you can.
• 17:55
  Speaker 10: Do talk back radio.
• 17:56
  Speaker 9: So it's the kind of thing that would be a
• 17:59
  Speaker 9: master's stroke and be very very effective for one nation,
• 18:02
  Speaker 9: which according to some polls is nearing in twenty percent,
• 18:05
  Speaker 9: so they're going a long way. And again that's why
• 18:08
  Speaker 9: I was sort of curious as to why he wouldn't
• 18:10
  Speaker 9: consider recontesting New England. I'm not sure exactly why that's happened,
• 18:15
  Speaker 9: but he could have been obviously the lower House spokesperson
• 18:18
  Speaker 9: on all matters.
• 18:18
  Speaker 10: But it'll be interesting to see what happens.
• 18:21
  Speaker 9: And unless the Liberal Party gets its act together and
• 18:24
  Speaker 9: the Nationals continue on their path, well, one nation's vote
• 18:27
  Speaker 9: is only going to rise because people one a conservative
• 18:30
  Speaker 9: alternative and at the moment they're not getting it and
• 18:32
  Speaker 9: their liberals are not on the same page.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: I'll talk to the NAT's Kevin Hogan about the relationship
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: between him, David Little Proud and Varnaby later in the program. Currently,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: the Herald Sun my paper, has done an old tabloid
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: trick this week. They took out a sign with pictures
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: on it of Jacinda Allen, the new Liberal leader. Jess Wilson.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: They also had a picture of Beck Judd the influencer
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: on this poster, and they asked if they could name
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: who they were. Have a look at this.
• 19:05
  Speaker 10: Can't even.
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: She's also the local member here.
• 19:10
  Speaker 12: Justin Allen, very close and alan.
• 19:14
  Speaker 10: The name j Cinta Ellen and that's probably bad.
• 19:16
  Speaker 8: It is anyone look familiar to you?
• 19:19
  Speaker 13: M No, I don't think so.
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: I watched her on TV the other day.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: I think that's Rebecca Judge.
• 19:26
  Speaker 14: I'm from TV and she's married to Christ Judd.
• 19:30
  Speaker 13: I'm not really into.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Politics and politicians, Caroly I reckon that what the Liberal
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Party should be doing is ringing up Beck Judd and
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: getting her to join the Liberal Party and give her
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: a seat. People seem to know who she was and
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: no one else.
• 19:45
  Speaker 11: I heard that when she went right out against Dan Andrews. Look,
• 19:48
  Speaker 11: you're right, it's the oldest trick in the book. It
• 19:50
  Speaker 11: does show that politicians are operating in an echo chamber.
• 19:53
  Speaker 11: To be fair, Jess Wilson, she's only been in the
• 19:55
  Speaker 11: top job for a week, but she's already honed down
• 19:58
  Speaker 11: on the four key issues crime, debt, health and housing.
• 20:03
  Speaker 11: You know what victorians may not be able to name
• 20:05
  Speaker 11: all the politicians, but they're sure sick of what is
• 20:09
  Speaker 11: going on in this state, and they sure know that
• 20:11
  Speaker 11: every day that they wake up, whether it's in the
• 20:14
  Speaker 11: morning or during the day, there's another machete, another knife attack,
• 20:18
  Speaker 11: another fifteen or sixteen year old granted bail, another soft sentence,
• 20:23
  Speaker 11: another inappropriate sentence, and it leads them to wonder, where
• 20:27
  Speaker 11: is this state going. I mean, it's absolutely ridiculous. You know,
• 20:30
  Speaker 11: there was a school put into lockdown. There was an
• 20:32
  Speaker 11: eleven year old stabbed at a school in Berwick, twenty
• 20:36
  Speaker 11: five kilometers from Melbourne. This is a daily occurrence, an
• 20:39
  Speaker 11: absolute daily occurrence. And you know what, No, they might
• 20:42
  Speaker 11: not be able to know Jess Wilson's name. She's got
• 20:44
  Speaker 11: a year to change that. But they're crying out for
• 20:46
  Speaker 11: an alternative. And they've actually had enough of labor, so
• 20:50
  Speaker 11: it could be abl anything but labor come November twenty
• 20:55
  Speaker 11: twenty six.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: James and politicians do seem to live in a bit
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: of a you know, an echo chamber, don't they. I mean,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: we all know who they are, we all know what
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: they look like, but when you do go out there
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: into the real world, it makes you realize that particularly
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: now in the age of social media. I mean, the
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: one picture that they could have put on that poster
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: that everyone that they talked to there would have known
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: was Daniel Andrews. And the reason they would have known
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: him is because every day, for the longest lockdowns in
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: the history of the world, Daniel Andrews was there telling
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: them they had to stay home, couldn't go more than
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: five kilometers, and not to have any their mother at
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: home in their house. Yeah.
• 21:29
  Speaker 9: Well, there's no doubt Steve as well that if you
• 21:31
  Speaker 9: just look at the balance sheet of Victoria alone and
• 21:34
  Speaker 9: look at just how disastrous the financial balance sheet is
• 21:37
  Speaker 9: of Victoria. I mean there is and Carroll has already
• 21:40
  Speaker 9: mentioned all the crime issues, but there is a lot
• 21:42
  Speaker 9: of ammunition here for an opposition to prosecute. The problem
• 21:45
  Speaker 9: in Victoria has been that you struggle to figure out
• 21:49
  Speaker 9: who is the leader on any other day. They've gone
• 21:50
  Speaker 9: through all sorts of different leaders over the past few years.
• 21:53
  Speaker 9: There's been obviously the more deeming stuff is a bit
• 21:56
  Speaker 9: of a distraction which ended the leadership inevitably of John Pursued.
• 22:00
  Speaker 9: But I think the social media point is right, and
• 22:03
  Speaker 9: I think it's still the one thing that is the
• 22:06
  Speaker 9: Liberal Party has been caught short on and they need
• 22:07
  Speaker 9: to ramp their game up.
• 22:09
  Speaker 10: As lame as they are.
• 22:10
  Speaker 9: The Labor Party and the Greens have been dominating the
• 22:13
  Speaker 9: social media space. They've got huge followings, they get videos
• 22:17
  Speaker 9: with a lot of views, they get involved in viral trends.
• 22:19
  Speaker 9: Now it's really not traditional. I think it's a little
• 22:23
  Speaker 9: bit cheesy and corny sometimes, but it does cut through
• 22:26
  Speaker 9: with a large part of young voters, and young voters
• 22:30
  Speaker 9: are now dominating the elections. We've seen that for the
• 22:32
  Speaker 9: past two years with the number of voters that have
• 22:34
  Speaker 9: come online and registered for the first time.
• 22:36
  Speaker 10: You must be doing.
• 22:37
  Speaker 9: Social media and I don't think the Liberal Party quite
• 22:40
  Speaker 9: gets that just yet and needs to ramp that up
• 22:43
  Speaker 9: at both state and federal level.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, spot on, James and Dan Andrews spent an absolute
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: fortune on it. Carollly, James sik you very much. Talk
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: to you shortly. Coming up. The latest on President Trump's
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: pitch to end the conflict in Ukraine, bus reports that
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin is finally ready to negotiate. I'm not sure
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: I actually believe that. Plus the coalition's calling for a
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: pause on the rollout of new wind turbines. There's an
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: asbestos scare. We'll look at that as well. Welcome back
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: to Steve Price filling in for Peter Kredline. Just in
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: some breaking news. Understand that the death toll in those
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: horrific fires in Hong Kong, we've been seeing those pictures
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: right through the day, has now jumped to fifty five.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: It's truly a horrendous event. We'll have some more detail
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: as we go through the night. I'm sure Andrew bod
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: will have a look at that at the top of
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: the hour as well. Also coming up yet more questions
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: about the government's obsession with wind farms. Will check in
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: with a farmer. There's been some debate now about whether
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: there is asbestos inside some of the parts on those
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: imported wind turbines. First though, there's growing speculation that Vladimir
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Putin is now ready to negotiate an end to the
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: war in Ukraine. I'll believe it when I see it.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Europe's pushing now to maintain the pressure on Russia as
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: the US led peace talks do now escalate. Joining us
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: The foreign editor of The Australian, Greg Sheridan. Great to
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: see you again, Greg. When you mentioned the words peace
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: deal and Vladimir Putin. That doesn't roll off the tongue
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: very easily. Is he seriously thinking about this?
• 24:14
  Speaker 15: Do you think Steve great to be with you now?
• 24:17
  Speaker 15: I share your skepticism absolutely. I don't think Putin has
• 24:21
  Speaker 15: any intention of serious negotiations over this. He'll accept a surrender.
• 24:26
  Speaker 15: And really, this whole peace initiative is Donald Trump. That
• 24:30
  Speaker 15: is very worst. The terms that he initially proposed constituted
• 24:35
  Speaker 15: surrender by Ukraine, but have to have their army, give
• 24:40
  Speaker 15: pertin territory that he hasn't already conquered, Promise never to
• 24:44
  Speaker 15: join NATO, not allowed to have any security, any foreign
• 24:50
  Speaker 15: military forces on their soil to provide security in so
• 24:52
  Speaker 15: and it was just surrender. And I think this was
• 24:55
  Speaker 15: Trump at his very very worst. And the scandal of
• 24:59
  Speaker 15: a Steve Whitkoff's leaked. You know Steve Whitcoff is Trump's
• 25:02
  Speaker 15: special envoy. Well, the transcript of conversation he had with
• 25:07
  Speaker 15: the Russians was released and it was leaked. It shows
• 25:11
  Speaker 15: him coaching the Russians on how to flatter Trump and
• 25:15
  Speaker 15: it shows him telling the Russians to ring Trump before
• 25:19
  Speaker 15: Trump sees Zelensky at a meeting where Trump was expected
• 25:22
  Speaker 15: to provide Tomahawk missiles for the Ukrainians, and as a
• 25:26
  Speaker 15: result of Putin's intervention, he didn't do so. Now it's
• 25:30
  Speaker 15: also the case that Whitkoff's son heads a company which
• 25:34
  Speaker 15: is involved with Trump's family in a huge bitcoin operation,
• 25:40
  Speaker 15: which is making loads of money out of all the
• 25:42
  Speaker 15: Middle East countries that Whitkoff has been doing peace deals with.
• 25:46
  Speaker 15: So there is a bit of a push amongst Republicans
• 25:49
  Speaker 15: to get Whitcock sacked, which would be very good. I
• 25:52
  Speaker 15: don't think anything good is going to come out of
• 25:54
  Speaker 15: this steel. The danger is that Trump betrays Ukraine absolutely
• 25:59
  Speaker 15: and just walks away from them and blames Ukraine for
• 26:02
  Speaker 15: not surrendering.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: The point you've made over and over again, though, which
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: I think is an excellent point, is I mean, where
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: the hell's Europe. They've got to step up and do
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: it themselves. I mean, Okay, you've got this mad piece deal, which,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: as you said, is surrender. What are the Europeans doing
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: to end this conflict?
• 26:19
  Speaker 15: Well, the best way to end the conflict is to
• 26:23
  Speaker 15: give Ukraine enough firepower to inflict enough damage on Russia
• 26:28
  Speaker 15: that it raises the cost of the war to Russia. Now,
• 26:31
  Speaker 15: I absolutely agree this has been a European failure as
• 26:34
  Speaker 15: well as an American failure. But right now America is
• 26:37
  Speaker 15: not providing any money to Ukraine at all. It's barely
• 26:41
  Speaker 15: doing more than Australia, which is doing nothing. And all
• 26:45
  Speaker 15: that America is doing is selling weapons which the Europeans
• 26:49
  Speaker 15: buy for the Ukrainians. So the Europeans are funding the
• 26:52
  Speaker 15: whole lot. And also it provides intelligence which allows Ukraine
• 26:57
  Speaker 15: to target its weapons. Now, I absolutely agree the Europeans
• 27:01
  Speaker 15: have been derelict in not building their own defense industries.
• 27:05
  Speaker 15: I mean, this war has been going for nearly four
• 27:07
  Speaker 15: years and it's obvious that the Western arsenal is bereft,
• 27:14
  Speaker 15: whereas our enemies Russia, China and North Korea in Iran
• 27:18
  Speaker 15: are restocking their arsenals at rapid rates. But this is
• 27:25
  Speaker 15: a failure by the Europeans, I agree. But it is
• 27:28
  Speaker 15: also Donald Trump at his very worst, because all he
• 27:32
  Speaker 15: wants here is Ukraine to surrender so that he can
• 27:36
  Speaker 15: say he's brought peace and gets a Nobel Peace Prize.
• 27:40
  Speaker 15: And Trump and putin no doubt helps him erect some
• 27:44
  Speaker 15: Trump towers in Russia and so forth. It is a
• 27:48
  Speaker 15: very slimy business weakness by the Europeans and art of
• 27:52
  Speaker 15: captriciousness by Trump.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: It's getting up that on Gaza. We've got Israel launching
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: what's been described as a major a terrorism operation in
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: the West Bank as opposed to Gaza raids, curfewsed raids
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: on multiple towns. How's the international community responding to that,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: because I presume people like the UN will be very
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: anti Israel over that move.
• 28:17
  Speaker 15: Yeah. So I think Trump did much better with Gaza
• 28:19
  Speaker 15: than he's doing with Ukraine because he's got more investment
• 28:23
  Speaker 15: in Israel. Although it is the sad truth that nothing
• 28:26
  Speaker 15: of the Gaza peace Agreement has been implemented yet. Beyond
• 28:29
  Speaker 15: the ceasefire. There's no International Stabilization Force, no interim committee,
• 28:34
  Speaker 15: nothing like that. In the West Bank, Israel's enemies are
• 28:38
  Speaker 15: doing their best to establish a very strong terror network.
• 28:42
  Speaker 15: So Iranian proxies, the old reconstituted ISIS and various others
• 28:49
  Speaker 15: are trying hard to get terror networks going in the
• 28:52
  Speaker 15: West Bank. Now, the West Bank citizens themselves, they've seen
• 28:55
  Speaker 15: what's happened in Gaza and they don't want that. They
• 28:59
  Speaker 15: don't want that for their towns and their territories. We
• 29:02
  Speaker 15: don't have tremendous detail yet on what information Israel had
• 29:07
  Speaker 15: which led to these latest raids in the northern part
• 29:11
  Speaker 15: of the West Bank, but I would imagine that they'll
• 29:15
  Speaker 15: be pretty time constrained. They'll be sort of in and out.
• 29:19
  Speaker 15: But you would imagine that the usual suspects will condemn
• 29:22
  Speaker 15: Israel in the expected way I would imagine.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Greg tell us about this very interesting book that the
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Australian newspaper News Liamit have released. I know there was
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: an event on in Sydney yesterday. It's a collection of
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: the reporting commentary on Australia's anti Semitism crisis. I mean,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: so much has been written, so many great columns, so
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: many great opinion pieces. I mean, this was a seismic
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: shift in Australian society. Tell us what this book would
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: mean to someone who had the time to sit down
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: and read that.
• 29:57
  Speaker 15: Well, Steve, I'm very proud of it. Australian. I've worked
• 30:01
  Speaker 15: there for forty two years and I think it's a
• 30:03
  Speaker 15: great newspaper and it's never been shown to better effect
• 30:06
  Speaker 15: than in the response to what's happened in Australia. Since
• 30:10
  Speaker 15: the terror attacks by Hamas in October seven, there has
• 30:13
  Speaker 15: been both a worldwide and an Australian crisis of antisemitism.
• 30:17
  Speaker 15: The Albanesi government has been utterly derelict in its failure
• 30:21
  Speaker 15: to confront this crisis of antisemitism. Hatred and prejudice and
• 30:27
  Speaker 15: persecution of Australian Jews has been allowed to run in Australia,
• 30:34
  Speaker 15: and the authorities have been very weak. Really, the best
• 30:39
  Speaker 15: of them has certainly been the New South Wales Premiere.
• 30:42
  Speaker 15: But this book is a collection of the best pieces
• 30:46
  Speaker 15: that my colleagues have written over the last two years
• 30:49
  Speaker 15: as we tried to grapple with this crisis in real time,
• 30:53
  Speaker 15: in basic human solidarity, where our fellow Australians in a
• 30:57
  Speaker 15: recognition of this global crisis of antisemitism, and in trying
• 31:01
  Speaker 15: to understand the barbarity and the terror that Humas brought
• 31:05
  Speaker 15: and what that means not only for israelis not only
• 31:08
  Speaker 15: for Jews, but for all Australians and for all civilized
• 31:11
  Speaker 15: people in the world. And it's titled and it's based
• 31:16
  Speaker 15: on the proposition and a piece by my colleague Paul
• 31:19
  Speaker 15: Kelly that we are a different country now. These attacks
• 31:22
  Speaker 15: have changed us. We are a different country from the
• 31:25
  Speaker 15: one we were before October seven. Anti Semitism has been
• 31:29
  Speaker 15: given a license in this country and we at the
• 31:32
  Speaker 15: Australian and all civilized people stand against that anti semitism.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: The Australian has done outstanding reporting right through that period.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Greg Sheridan, thank you very much. Now coming up the
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: growing concerns about asbestos in our wind turbines, I'll also
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: catch up with Deputy Nationals Leader Kevin Hoagan. Barnaby Joyce
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: finally today did what everyone expected he would do. He's
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: stepped away from the National Party. He's no longer sitting
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: on their backbench. He is now himself an independent. When
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Parliament resumes next February, Kevin Hogan joins us shortly. Okay,
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: let's go to those growing concerns about asbestos. As I
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: mentioned with the wind turbines contamination of those a wind
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: farm in Tasmania and now Victoria have detected traces in
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: imported turbine components. Coalitions calling for a pause in that
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: role out as it should and we have joined me
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: now as Farmer and Chairman of Across Victoria Alliance. Andrew
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Whedham and Andrew Great to see you. Thanks for joining us.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: How concerned are we all about this asbestos scare? Where
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: is that asbestos?
• 32:42
  Speaker 8: Yeah?
• 32:42
  Speaker 16: Look, thanks Steve. And at the moment, obviously it's illegal
• 32:46
  Speaker 16: to import asbestos into Australia, but it's in the essentially
• 32:51
  Speaker 16: in the working components of the wind turbines themselves, in
• 32:56
  Speaker 16: the break components as we understand, and also potentially some
• 33:00
  Speaker 16: of the glands that are fitted out. Now our concerns
• 33:04
  Speaker 16: obviously that one that's been imported into Australia when really
• 33:08
  Speaker 16: it shouldn't have been obviously, and of course the potential
• 33:11
  Speaker 16: for worker exposure. So we understand here in Victoria, work
• 33:14
  Speaker 16: Safe is obviously looking really closely at a lot of
• 33:17
  Speaker 16: these wind turbine developments and doing assessments and I think
• 33:20
  Speaker 16: that there's a lot of questions to be answered Steve,
• 33:22
  Speaker 16: and a lot farmers right across Australia at the moment
• 33:26
  Speaker 16: looking at potentially if they want to be a host
• 33:28
  Speaker 16: hosting these on their own land, making sure that they're
• 33:31
  Speaker 16: fit for purpose. And on top of the asbestos issue,
• 33:34
  Speaker 16: of course, is the resin the bias pennel, which is
• 33:37
  Speaker 16: a component that's used in the manufacturing of the wind
• 33:40
  Speaker 16: turbines themselves in the blades and that being shaved off
• 33:43
  Speaker 16: and potentially scattered on properties is causing issues for livestock
• 33:47
  Speaker 16: producers who have to do an independent audit report under
• 33:51
  Speaker 16: the MLA process. So yeah, again, you know this is
• 33:55
  Speaker 16: something that we've been calling for as well as the coalition.
• 33:58
  Speaker 16: There needs to be a pause. It needs to be
• 33:59
  Speaker 16: more or him on this for at least twelve months
• 34:01
  Speaker 16: to have a reset and to think about is this
• 34:04
  Speaker 16: the best fit for Australia.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: When you report this the government authorities Andrew and you
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: tell them about your concerns, what reaction do you get?
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: I mean federally, labor seems determined to roll this stuff out,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: regardless of what dangers they might be, So they're not
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: going to listen. What does a Victorian government.
• 34:24
  Speaker 16: Say, Well, that's exactly the same. I mean here in
• 34:27
  Speaker 16: Victoria we've got at the moment I've been involved this
• 34:29
  Speaker 16: last couple of weeks with protests at the farm gate
• 34:33
  Speaker 16: locally here at Manu and Walloloo and also up at
• 34:36
  Speaker 16: witchiproof Here in Victoria, there's been massive protests at the
• 34:41
  Speaker 16: gate where they're trying to enforce themselves with transmission lines
• 34:43
  Speaker 16: but on top of that, of course, there's been a
• 34:47
  Speaker 16: real pushback now quite considerably because as people are starting
• 34:51
  Speaker 16: to realize the impact of these particular turbines and in
• 34:55
  Speaker 16: fact the height of them. There's a review at the
• 34:57
  Speaker 16: moment at Warwickner Bill, an Environmental effect statement process happening
• 35:02
  Speaker 16: at the moment, which just feels like the government is
• 35:04
  Speaker 16: just forcing itself again and its will onto the people
• 35:07
  Speaker 16: without the people actually agreeing to it. And that's where
• 35:10
  Speaker 16: this angst is just continuing to grow and groups like mine.
• 35:14
  Speaker 16: You know, we've got thirty groups from the East Coast
• 35:16
  Speaker 16: of Australia, twenty seven here in Victoria with more than
• 35:19
  Speaker 16: one hundred and forty thousand followers in those groups Steve
• 35:22
  Speaker 16: who have been concerned, and that's growing. The numbers are growing,
• 35:25
  Speaker 16: and we're trying to have an impact under the banner
• 35:28
  Speaker 16: of the Across Victoria Alliance, which I'm lucky to be
• 35:31
  Speaker 16: cheering at the moment and keeping the groups together and
• 35:33
  Speaker 16: focused and working through these issues, particularly with the governments
• 35:38
  Speaker 16: of the day. So absolutely we're trying to talk to government.
• 35:43
  Speaker 16: But here in Victoria, just like federally, they've got this
• 35:46
  Speaker 16: ambitious approach to just forcing themselves and their will onto
• 35:50
  Speaker 16: the agricultural sector here in Australia.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Well, western Victoria, and it's just you know, it's gone
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: through a dreadful period of drought earlier this year. I
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: mean it was so dry it looked green, but it
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: was dry. What sort of fire season are we looking at?
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: What sort of risk does the installation of not just
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: the turbines but the solar panels. What sort of risk
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: is there in a bad fire year?
• 36:16
  Speaker 16: Well, look, Steve, I've grown up in rural Victoria and
• 36:20
  Speaker 16: I've been at fires and a lot of them have
• 36:21
  Speaker 16: been started by power lines, let's face it, over the generations,
• 36:25
  Speaker 16: and we're now increasing that risk by exposing it with
• 36:29
  Speaker 16: more batteries. We're putting out more power lines into the environment.
• 36:33
  Speaker 16: We can only expect that that will increase the propensity
• 36:36
  Speaker 16: to have more fires, there's no question to that. And look,
• 36:39
  Speaker 16: it's good you have mentioned the southwest. We're really quite concerned.
• 36:43
  Speaker 16: We've got a number of groups in that area obviously
• 36:45
  Speaker 16: working with us around these developments as well. But there's absolute,
• 36:50
  Speaker 16: real concern that the water and the runoff, there's very
• 36:52
  Speaker 16: little runoff into the dams, the catchment dams that would
• 36:55
  Speaker 16: normally be available to fight fires too, So again this
• 36:59
  Speaker 16: is a real concern for us here in Victoria and
• 37:01
  Speaker 16: where we will actually get those water resources from to
• 37:04
  Speaker 16: actually fight it. On top of that, and you and
• 37:06
  Speaker 16: I've spoken about this also, the emergency services and volunteers
• 37:10
  Speaker 16: tax that's been imposed on across right across Victorian's any
• 37:15
  Speaker 16: asset owner is also causing us real concern as well,
• 37:18
  Speaker 16: because that's also taking away a number of people who
• 37:21
  Speaker 16: would normally be expected to be fighting the fires, because
• 37:24
  Speaker 16: there's a number of brigades in the area and some
• 37:27
  Speaker 16: quite local to me who have actually said they will
• 37:30
  Speaker 16: not fight in any of the National Parks fires again
• 37:33
  Speaker 16: because of the risk and the concerns they have about
• 37:36
  Speaker 16: failing equipment, lack of investment. We're putting a lot more
• 37:40
  Speaker 16: money in and we're not getting the investment back in
• 37:42
  Speaker 16: our equipment either, so it's a real problem too.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: We'll keep on the case, Andrew, and I know Peter
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: will as well. So good luck mate, thanks for joining
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: us now. After the break of disillusion Barnaby Joyce, as
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: we know, he says, the national leaders failed to pick
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: up the phone following his decision to leave the party.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: One of those leaders, Kevin Hope up after the break
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: welcome actually Price in for Peter Kredlin now Barnaby Joyce
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: of course went into the House today just for a
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: question time and announced that he would be stepping away
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: from the National Party. He then gave a media conference
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: outside Parliament where he made some comments, particularly about his
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: relationship with the leader, David Little Proud, the National Deputy
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Leader and shadow Trade spokesman, Kevin Hogan's been good enough
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: to join us in our studio in camera. Do you
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: think it could have handled Barnaby better? Kevin, thanks for
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: joining us.
• 38:38
  Speaker 17: Steve, Well, look, I don't know. Maybe I don't think so.
• 38:41
  Speaker 17: I think Barnaby was quite clear a few weeks ago. Steve,
• 38:43
  Speaker 17: I don't think any of us are surprised. I'm about
• 38:46
  Speaker 17: his decision. I have no personal acrimony towards Barnaby. I
• 38:50
  Speaker 17: shed an office next to him in Parliament House for years.
• 38:53
  Speaker 17: Like his wife, his kids are fun, his boys are
• 38:55
  Speaker 17: fun to be around. But look, he doesn't I mean, Steve,
• 38:59
  Speaker 17: what he said today and I understand it. We all
• 39:01
  Speaker 17: understand it. He doesn't like where he sits in the
• 39:03
  Speaker 17: chamber and he doesn't like the fact that he's a
• 39:05
  Speaker 17: backbencher and he's moving on because of that reason, and
• 39:08
  Speaker 17: that's pretty straightforward.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Well, we all like to have the boss call us though.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, and this is the point that he made
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: that stood out for me. I mean, if you're working
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: in a team environment and you're unhappy, I'm sure David
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: little Proud in the past has tried to convince him otherwise.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: But between when he said he'd go to the back
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: bench and today, no contact, not a phone call. He
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: didn't go around and have a steak on a sandwich
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: press with him Kevin and try and talk him out
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: of it.
• 39:38
  Speaker 17: Well, I think David had had a conversation with him,
• 39:41
  Speaker 17: and Barnaby knows the door was always open for him
• 39:45
  Speaker 17: to come back, and we wanted him to come back
• 39:47
  Speaker 17: into the Nationals party room. Look he you know, I've
• 39:50
  Speaker 17: run into him three or four times as well. I
• 39:51
  Speaker 17: ran into him at church on Sunday, Steve. I saw
• 39:54
  Speaker 17: him at the gym yesterday. I've sat next to him
• 39:56
  Speaker 17: in the chamber a couple of times over the last
• 39:58
  Speaker 17: few weeks and have always been as I always would
• 40:00
  Speaker 17: be with Barney, because I don't dislike the guy. Respectful
• 40:03
  Speaker 17: and courteous about you know, how the boys go and
• 40:05
  Speaker 17: how are you? How's life? But he won a time
• 40:09
  Speaker 17: in space as well, and we respected that. But Steve,
• 40:12
  Speaker 17: he always knew that we wanted him back and he
• 40:15
  Speaker 17: was always welcome back in the room.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Your seat, Joins is what would the local reaction be
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: do you think in New England?
• 40:23
  Speaker 17: Well, I think the local reaction in New England especially well,
• 40:26
  Speaker 17: there'd be a bit of a mix, but I think
• 40:27
  Speaker 17: the vast majority Steve of people and people who helped
• 40:31
  Speaker 17: him out as the Nationals candidate for New England would
• 40:34
  Speaker 17: be exceptionally disappointed because he ran as a Nationals candidate
• 40:38
  Speaker 17: and he's now left the party. And look, we all
• 40:41
  Speaker 17: want Steve. You understand what everyone listening would understand when
• 40:44
  Speaker 17: you personally get demoted, or that you're not in a
• 40:47
  Speaker 17: position that you want within the party or the job
• 40:50
  Speaker 17: or the workplace that you work for. But look, I
• 40:52
  Speaker 17: drew a comparison. I ran into Michael McCormack this afternoon.
• 40:55
  Speaker 17: Michael McCormack has been the Deputy Prime Minister because he
• 40:58
  Speaker 17: was a Nationals leader. Michael McCormack has been demoted. Michael
• 41:02
  Speaker 17: McCormack is still a member of the National Party and
• 41:04
  Speaker 17: Barnaby is not. And there's a distinction between that and
• 41:06
  Speaker 17: how they've reacted to that.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Kevin, the Prime Minister, and I showed this at the
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: start of this program, told us earlier this morning that
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: the Environment Bill change that is winding its way through
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: the Senate now will get through, is the greatest thing
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: that's ever happened to Australia. The critics of it say
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: it's not. What's the worst thing about this change?
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: Steve?
• 41:28
  Speaker 17: You know we offer in this chamber see things happening
• 41:30
  Speaker 17: and go I actually think today is one of the
• 41:32
  Speaker 17: worst days that we'll see for our economic future because
• 41:36
  Speaker 17: what has been said today and what's happened today, Steve,
• 41:38
  Speaker 17: and this is not me saying this is this is
• 41:40
  Speaker 17: any gas producer, any gas supplier around the world, and
• 41:44
  Speaker 17: Australian producers as well in the coal industry have said,
• 41:47
  Speaker 17: because of the bill that was passed today by Labor
• 41:50
  Speaker 17: and the Greens, we all know this is a very
• 41:52
  Speaker 17: left wing labor government. Most coal producers and most gas
• 41:57
  Speaker 17: producers in this country are saying to me that if
• 42:00
  Speaker 17: the laws in place that were put in place today
• 42:02
  Speaker 17: existed when they were trying to bring on what they
• 42:05
  Speaker 17: now do wouldn't get past. So that's that now. Why
• 42:08
  Speaker 17: is that important, Steve, Because coal and gas produce about
• 42:12
  Speaker 17: two hundred billion dollars a year of export income. They
• 42:17
  Speaker 17: are funding things like Medicare, They're funding things like the
• 42:20
  Speaker 17: NDIS because of the royalties, the company tax, and the
• 42:23
  Speaker 17: tax of personal individuals earn in that sector. This is
• 42:26
  Speaker 17: a really sad day for economic future. Won't be felt tomorrow,
• 42:30
  Speaker 17: won't be felt next week. But labor are selling our
• 42:32
  Speaker 17: economic future out into the future because they are this
• 42:35
  Speaker 17: green ideology at the expense of our economic prosperity.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: We'll keep talking about it. Kevin, thank you very much
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: for taking time. I know parliament's up now and the
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: breaks on, so thanks a lot, Kevin Hogan. There after
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: the break, more on that staggering disaster in Hong Kong.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: You can't believe that the depth told now looks like
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: over fifty maybe up to fifty five. Our panel of
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: join US past Donald Trump's skating comments following the shooting
• 42:59
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• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Welcome Back. That death toll has risen to fifty five
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: in those horrible fires in Hong Kong. They're still battling
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: to put them out. Scot One's contributed. Kosher Garda joins
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: us in past cheer of Parliaments Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee,
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Michael Danby both, Peter Kredlin regulars, welcome to you both.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: I mean thanks wake up today to see those fires
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: in Hongkong. When you have the density of the population there,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: there was something like eight thousand people in those towers.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Deaththold now at fifty five, it's going to be very
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: interesting to see what Beijing says about this.
• 47:11
  Speaker 14: Yeah, but there won't be any local scrutiny from the
• 47:12
  Speaker 14: Apple Daily because the publisher, Jimmy Laie, is like every
• 47:16
  Speaker 14: Democrat in jail. And I wouldn't go back to Hong Kong.
• 47:20
  Speaker 14: Have been there many times in the past, but it's
• 47:22
  Speaker 14: now just another communist colony.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they've arrested three people. That was bamboo scaffolding. That
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: was the thing, coach that got me. What are you
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: doing building scaffolding out of bamboo?
• 47:32
  Speaker 21: And as you see one of those densely populated apartment
• 47:34
  Speaker 21: blocks in the world.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: It's been a massive newsday. We had two National Guards
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: troops in Washington, d C. Both being critically wounded, apparently
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: shot just blocks away from the White House. The suspect
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: has now been identified as an Afghan national entered the
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: US during the withdrawal in twenty twenty one. President Trump
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: was quick to put out a video. Here's what he
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: had to say.
• 47:55
  Speaker 22: We must now re examine every single alien who has
• 47:59
  Speaker 22: entered our country from Afghanistan under Biden, and we must
• 48:03
  Speaker 22: take all necessary measures to ensure the removal of any
• 48:06
  Speaker 22: alien from any country who does not belong here or
• 48:10
  Speaker 22: add benefit to our country. If they can't love our country.
• 48:14
  Speaker 22: We don't want them kosher.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: They added another five hundred National Guard on patrol in
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Washington itself. Donald Trump is just not going to put
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: up with this. Is going to be interesting to see
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: where this goes.
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: He won't.
• 48:29
  Speaker 21: As he mentions over here, he has really single handedly
• 48:32
  Speaker 21: reshaped the immigration debate in America. Nobody was talking about it,
• 48:35
  Speaker 21: even though there was a huge disconnect between the leaders
• 48:37
  Speaker 21: and the people. And when he came down that golden escalator,
• 48:40
  Speaker 21: till today, it's been immigration illegal and legal. This is
• 48:43
  Speaker 21: an example of something that quote unquote legal. However, it's
• 48:46
  Speaker 21: just very generous. We have these very generous policies. Who
• 48:49
  Speaker 21: knows what kind of vetting was done or not done
• 48:51
  Speaker 21: for these folks that were allowed in. They were ostensibly
• 48:53
  Speaker 21: people who helped the US during the war came in,
• 48:56
  Speaker 21: but then you have something like this happened. So I
• 48:57
  Speaker 21: think this moment, it's horrific. Hopefully those National guardsmen are okay,
• 49:01
  Speaker 21: they're in critical condition, and then this just gives him
• 49:04
  Speaker 21: more oxygen to try and move the needle line.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: Well, Michael, remember those chaotic images of that aircraft taking
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: off from the Bagram Air Base with people hanging off
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: the wings when Biden took everyone out of there. They've
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: got no idea, presumably who these Afghan people are in
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: their own country.
• 49:20
  Speaker 14: Tragically, events like shooting a National Garden from West Virginia
• 49:24
  Speaker 14: in the head and in the chest and killing her
• 49:27
  Speaker 14: comrade next to her is going to reinforce Trump's message
• 49:33
  Speaker 14: against as we've seen in the statement, against illegal aliens
• 49:37
  Speaker 14: all around the United States, and reinforce his determination to
• 49:40
  Speaker 14: deploy guards in Memphis and in Chicago and maybe even
• 49:46
  Speaker 14: well they were in Los Angeles. But I see this
• 49:49
  Speaker 14: in the context of him banning the Muslim Brotherhood and
• 49:53
  Speaker 14: acting againstarism today Somali roots. He's got a whole raft
• 49:58
  Speaker 14: of issues. As Kosher said that we're I wouldn't say
• 50:01
  Speaker 14: kosher kosher, but they weren't okay before, but now they
• 50:04
  Speaker 14: are and they're seen by people to have residents.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: Well, it's a big public jump to go from being
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: worried about having illegal immigrants in your country and then
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: calling it a terrorist attack.
• 50:14
  Speaker 21: Right, And I think because this was an Afghan national
• 50:16
  Speaker 21: and the context of how they came here, and that's
• 50:19
  Speaker 21: another thing too. More broadly, there's this phrase called that
• 50:23
  Speaker 21: the US has been invading the world and then invading
• 50:25
  Speaker 21: the world. That's sort of this policy that you cause
• 50:27
  Speaker 21: all this people have a twenty year war that was
• 50:29
  Speaker 21: totally unpopular and nobody wanted it, and then you end
• 50:32
  Speaker 21: up trying to be generous by allowing them to resettle
• 50:34
  Speaker 21: into the country, and then something like this happens.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: It just makes you real questioning Michael the miserable ghost
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Malcolm turm Will turned up in Cambra today. I love
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: that term through like all ex prime ministers. He has
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: his portrait painted, which is now going to hang in
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: the gallery there. He then couldn't help himself. Unloaded on
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Sky News, unloaded on the Coalition, unloaded on anyone that's
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: not Malcolm. You've been in the room with him. I've
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: been in the room with him. The problem for Malcolm
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: is Malcolm thinks he's the smartest person in any room.
• 51:01
  Speaker 14: He goes to Well, neither of you were of us
• 51:03
  Speaker 14: were invited to the porstry investigator. Thanks that such a
• 51:05
  Speaker 14: great shame. But isn't it weird that he was ever
• 51:09
  Speaker 14: the leader of the Liberal Party. He'll be remembered for
• 51:11
  Speaker 14: his incredibly expensive battery in the No.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Other than Mark Latham in charge your mob.
• 51:17
  Speaker 14: Yeah, well it's the same. I put him in the
• 51:19
  Speaker 14: same category twenty billion battery which was meant to cost
• 51:23
  Speaker 14: two billion. But he did do one good thing, and
• 51:25
  Speaker 14: that is he stopped Beijing's interference in telecommunications in Australia
• 51:30
  Speaker 14: by banning Huawei.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: Someone called him today Malcolm of Snowy River.
• 51:36
  Speaker 10: He wouldn't have liked that.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: Even the Banjo Patterson references our coach just before we go,
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Steve Whitkoff in Russia, how's this going to end?
• 51:44
  Speaker 21: We shall see. There's a nineteen point plan and then
• 51:46
  Speaker 21: twenty eight point plan, and the European plan and the
• 51:48
  Speaker 21: Russian plans. While these plans are coming in there, it
• 51:50
  Speaker 21: comes down to two things. Security guarantees for Ukraine. What
• 51:53
  Speaker 21: does that look like? I think Nito is and Nogo
• 51:56
  Speaker 21: is it something else, some sort of Western alliance in somewhere.
• 51:59
  Speaker 21: And then the other thing is terror royal concessions, what
• 52:01
  Speaker 21: if anything will be returned?
• 52:02
  Speaker 14: It looks but you can't give away a country, Steve,
• 52:04
  Speaker 14: if you've never been there, you should go to Kiev
• 52:06
  Speaker 14: see what's happening there in Ukraine.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: That's true. That's what people have to do because it's
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: an absolute bloody disaster. Michael Kosher, thank you very much
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: for that. Thank you everybody. I'll be back tomorrow night
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: with a normal Friday night program of course, coming up
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: at the top of the hour as he does each night.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Andrew Bolt