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- Lynn: Hello and welcome to tonight's episode of the Occultinarium. We are the voices of the Occultinarium and tonight's hosts are... HEAL: Adriana Luigi: Luigi Amelie: Amelie Lynn: Lynn. I guess I'm a flare today. All right, only Amelie's like, stick to it. ⁓ sticking to it. Yes, pack mentality. Amelie: I'm sticking to it. I'm trying to see how my name is going to be spelled, you know? Yeah. Lynn: today, yes. Probably I'm a late Amazing! We're already having fun. we are bringing a little bit of a different episode because we thought we would give bit more insight into our four ⁓ hosts and a few So this will be an episode of an interview. Luigi: Haha Family. Lynn: And our first interviewee is going to be Adriana. So if you would give her a big round of hooray. Yes! We all like to be poked with questions. We love it. well, ⁓ thanks for joining. ⁓ No, no, you were forced. You were dragged into this. HEAL: Yeah. Amelie: you HEAL: I don't have a choice. Okay. Lynn: Alright, let's just jump into it. you want to say a few words about yourself first? A few, a couple of... Who you? HEAL: Now, that is probably the most difficult question because most of the time I don't know. That's the answer. And probably it's by choice. I less and less want to know, to define myself. Sometimes when you are thinking or you are meditating, contemplating things, you absorb the world as it is. Lynn: Yes, fair. HEAL: It's more like an entity that creates awareness more than a defined being feeling things. to me, ⁓ think I'm working in disappearing, in being, know, or just start Maybe that is the right question is, is know what I or I am is what I am being now, know, in the concept of now. Lynn: Right. HEAL: So yes, I'm evolving and I what was true for me even a few days ago now doesn't have any sense. So I'm very happy with the progress of not being, yeah, by being, yeah. So yes, that it will be there. ⁓ Lynn: very mis-assessed. Well, kind of brings me to my first question to you, if you can answer it at all. that I would like to ask you, if there's anything, then what makes you feel safe grounded? Like what brings you back to yourself or if it's not ⁓ the self trying to get back to, to... ⁓ what lands you, what grounds you, what makes you feel safe HEAL: and less I feel fearful, you know, so I bracing, probably because when you embrace your darkness, when you embrace what you are so afraid of ⁓ to about yourself, when you have judgments, you have tendency to feel that you need a refuge, that you need a place where to go or how to be grounded. That boundaries to me are getting blur. am more playing around to be seduced by the unknown. So maybe my grounded place is not to be grounded. It's like going towards the unknown, ⁓ darkness, the occult. Sometimes ⁓ aspect my own personality that... Lynn: Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. HEAL: You are always like the goody-goody or the healer and the break master and the spiritual and so on. sometimes you are dedicated completely to taking care of other people, ⁓ and the healing aspect of life and give messages or guide others, my students and so on. That... I'm in a beautiful period that I don't give a damn. That is me. ⁓ was reading the other day, it was fascinating because we're talking about empaths, the empath. And I I may be to be towards that concept because it's when stop being something for others, but it's just the essence of who you are. Lynn: You HEAL: part of me is helping others to relieve pain ⁓ to be in a path of self-discovery for their own healing and so on, that is part of my fulfilled purpose, if I want to say that. But to be honest, I realize I don't even have a purpose. I'm just has to be in the present tense, not even be, but just being like it will be as it comes. So that gives me the freedom to explore everything as it comes, as it is, not giving it a color or light or darkness or not. No more definitions, maybe. Working probably in embracing whatever comes is valid, whatever is there. it is hard to have a voice, whatever. Because sometimes we work with the inner child or repress emotions or repress memories or even part of our own aspect of our own personality that we had a tendency to put it down or repress it. Now, no, I don't see the point. long ago, I stopped thinking. or what people believe or think of me or anything. I'm very surprised that people consider me a very nice person, you know. it's not because I'm trying. I think the nature is you know. So everything has beauty. So when you explore and you give that freedom to your own self, and that desire just to be authentic and genuine to yourself and listen to yourself, I think there is beauty there. That's what others can see. Amelie: think my question is maybe a little bit connected to that. Cause my question is, cause you're a healer, like you said, I am really interested, like what the most impactful session that you ever had with a client. Cause you must've had so many like, you know, cause you said that you're like working on your, like you, on yourself, but you also had a lot of clients and it's very interesting for someone that never. Lynn: Thank Amelie: doesn't have clients in that kind of way. Is there like a session or something that you remember that was, that really made an impact on you as well? HEAL: Well, I think that every experience is unique by itself. But ⁓ I have been a therapist, a healer therapist for 20 years. So I have treated thousands of people. I'm specialized as well working with terminal patients and cancer Parkinson's disease. a lot where there is like no hope or darkness, ⁓ it's probably ⁓ working with these people that I found the most beauty. It sounds strange because working with someone who is terminally ill that you don't know that is not the hope of the healing or whatever. But the thing probably because to me, they doesn't have the same connotation that I have for other people. So I'm not afraid of that. I think it's a beautiful thing. I think probably just working with, I want probably one of my cancer patients. I met her, ⁓ she was just like maximum 10 days to leave or something like that. We did a of alternative medicine together. ⁓ a lot of healing and so on and she lived with quality of life for a few months. it seems ⁓ body that is switched or they have been told, that's what they say, you die in your own terms, know, not when you have been told that you will die. So, seeing that she start breathing by herself and her own and she start moving smiling the love for life. was to watch, beautiful. Even physically, she was in her bones, obviously, because it has been ⁓ go around. But I think we learned together it was, first of all, how to ⁓ teach someone love her own cancer, to love her to love ⁓ every second she have. a bread. We that for granted. So working cancer ⁓ has been probably most beautiful thing to me because it's very difficult for someone to understand that even if your body is ill, it's still you, part of you. The cancer doesn't belong somebody else, it's not contagious. But it's people to accept cancer with love. And I think that it has been a nice experience that me to help other people to understand that. Thank you. Luigi: Yeah, thank you for sharing this. ⁓ to you Adriana may be a little bit disconnected to ⁓ thread we've been following. And it's quite a pious question if you know what I mean. So I don't know exactly how to phrase it, but basically, and it's totally fine if it hasn't been your experience, ⁓ but I to think that somewhere down the journey, across the journey down the line, each one of us and maybe each of the people listening who knows, people that are experiencing ⁓ awakenings, changes in themselves and in the outer, wider world. So you ⁓ it, you sense it, you feel it. But I like to think that it's totally natural for any of us to have experienced some doubt. You you feel, you sense, you ⁓ observe you experience, but you dismiss, you dismiss your life. HEAL: Mmm. Luigi: It's not true. It's not real. It's not me. my question basically, it's ⁓ that line, around ⁓ there ever been a point in your journey, whether it's the past, the present, or do you perceive anything like that happening where you have doubted either the circumstances that were occurring, ⁓ they were supernatural or not, ⁓ the awakening or development of any of your abilities? HEAL: Mm. Yeah. Luigi: Does that make sense? HEAL: think ⁓ I understood properly, it's having doubts about ⁓ our own abilities, it's a recurrent situation, you know, because it's difficult. I think it's very funny because think despite years and years ⁓ supernatural experiences and messages and through clients and information that comes and so on, I still doubt in every single day. I it is... It's very difficult because I think it's because of the polarity where we live, the world where we live, you know, because it's like a self-protective situation to hide who we are. But at the same time, ⁓ that we learn to live like in way, an schizophrenic way, you know, so halfway here, halfway there. Maybe fear of judgment. make us to judge ourselves first. it's very funny because I that the psychic and the supernatural has been with all my life. That probably was was normal to me when I tell a little bit the stories to somebody else. It's like, you know, like You are weird, are scary, you know. But ⁓ normal for us. It is our daily life, know, of people, of sensing things, of knowing truth that don't know where you got that information that when you read or when you receive it, particularly spiritual level, as you say, yes, I know Why ⁓ do I know ⁓ It's like a learned wisdom that is already yours, it's intrinsic inside of yourself. And that is happening recently. I'm exploring more the Gnosticism. seduced. I periods I'm seduced by things, know, by subjects. As I don't have a man to seduce me, I let Gnosticism and spiritually to seduce me. But, ⁓ and I think I prefer to be honest, but have my spiritual guys. Yeah. I know. I think you have more fun, is more creative in this So I think exploring new subject and with you that you feel that is true, that ⁓ Lynn: You It's very different kind of relationship. HEAL: It's like an inner truth that you are getting is, it's orgasmic. So yes, I think I get seduced every single day by spirituality and by the supernatural. yes, it's you dating and flirting with ⁓ something you always think that is scary, but at the same time, it's you, it's your nature. Justice revealing an aspect of your own self. But yes, I doubt every single day. I still doubt it, with clients, that I feel things and information. To me, it's like the words are in my throat, like want to something. And ⁓ when I it out, that to me, I have several thinking. Should I say this to this person? That would sound weird. And when I say something, it makes a lot of sense to them. So realized that I have to trust myself. I probably stop judging myself. ⁓ that is the main reason not judging yourself and believe that what information comes to you is for a reason, a purpose. Luigi: It's beautiful. Lynn: you. next question is a bit about, you've mentioned earlier as well, you've gone through a lot of difficult experiences also with your spirituality and everything. My question is, is there any particular practice, like exercise or anything? like some technique or maybe it's just a belief but is there anything particular that has changed life a way that well it could change either way but ⁓ I'm trying get more into this like change your life to the better is there anything that anything very particular if you could name one thing that worked really well for you? HEAL: Yeah. think through years of evolution you require less and less technique because it becomes more like intrinsic inside of yourself, like an inner knowledge. So you have the tendency, I have the tendency to do less ⁓ being ritualistic, less superstition, if want to call it like that, or less in need. of things to support me. Nowadays, ⁓ I a very traumatic lifestyle, know, very, very, very difficult challenging passages. One of them, can be say that domestic violence was one of them, you know, with my second husband. ⁓ that I have to move with my baby who was 16 months old and went to a refuge. I lived there for 26 months till when they allocate me the house where I live. And I had to reinvade myself from nothing know, ⁓ from overcome and abuse. So there are that mark you, but at the same time, When I was living in the refugee, I had probably the most supernatural things happened to me. And it's when other women, they were coming to me for peace and comfort and healing. you know, so the process, I think it helped there. It start, I realized wherever I had been, living in Colombia to France, where I lived six years. And then I feel a call that I had to both in a bus in Paris and getting a stop and threw myself nearly on the floor, getting inside of a church because a call called me and they said to me, go to the UK. And out of the blue, I arrived to London, not even having a place where to live or anything like that. met a few friends of my ex-husband and then they invite me to live with them. So things like that, you know, they are all connected, connections, connections, connections, connections, thank you to that. ⁓ back to the refuge, yes, it was a very traumatic experience, but at the same time, the most supernatural things happened to me was there, you know, and the more help and support. you realize you have and I always felt ⁓ at the refuge. And it's like I have guardian angels that were coming to me when people provided me everything they needed. When I arrived to this house as well, it was an empty house in the middle of winter, but things were coming across like by magic. ⁓ So is always magic in your life, no matter how challenges. or difficulties you're having in your life is just to realize and to allow them to happen. And sometimes with time, I have learned that when you overcome your fear, when you are surrending to the situations, things come with their own solutions and ⁓ and that at the end of the day, they stop touching you and you come ⁓ realize what is the lesson I need to learn from here. that is probably what I use now is what is the thing that what is this happening, not to me as a victim, but is as what is the learning ⁓ what is the evolution process that I have to learn from here. And the faster you learn it, ⁓ quicker it pass. ⁓ So yes, if I come back to that point around the whole thing, I will say when I became a Reiki practitioner and then a Reiki master and start teaching and things like that, spirituality and so on, you in different roles ⁓ and go toward different philosophies and go for formulas and crystals and everything like that. Lynn: Right, yeah. HEAL: But it's not I stop believing in them, it's that I don't need them anymore. Lynn: Yeah, sense. ⁓ you. ⁓ Amelie: I think my next question, you kind of answered it a little bit already, but someone that, cause I know you and you're always very curious of learning new things. So my next, my next question was, what's the next thing that you would like to learn about? ⁓ Like, what's next thing on your agenda? And you said Gnosticism, but is there anything beside that? HEAL: Yeah. Amelie: maybe something else that you're like, yes, I'm really intrigued by this. This is something like take a course or something new that you felt. HEAL: Yeah. Well, yes, I'm constantly learning things. think my mother used to call me the eternal student. You know, when are you going to start making money and stuff, know, ⁓ things. But think since they come, ⁓ sometimes they a period that there is not a particular shape of things that materialize, you know. But for example, with the Taro, I don't know why the information came. ⁓ Learn Taro, I saw. I went to the internet and I saw Joe. And then did the course with you guys and we became friends through that. But I think it's that. Then I have AI. I finished the diploma in AI. At this moment in time, yes, I think I am more towards me. I think the subject now is like unlearn who I am and go directly to the source. So probably Gnosticism is because it's an invitation to go very deep inside of your own self. And that's what I'm learning from the Gnostic principles and... the monad and the pleroma and work with these forces that you to have ⁓ certain degree of honesty and integrity to go direct inside of yourself. So that is where I am right now. Till I found something fascinating that I would say, hey, yeah, let's be curious. Because I think we have to be curious. We have to die with curiosity. If we are not curious about death. we will not die in peace. So I think, yes, we have to be curious and ⁓ to dedicate a little bit of passion to everything that calls for our curiosity. Luigi: Thank you for that. I think ⁓ next question might be based on what you responded to so far, it might be not to answer, but maybe you don't have a specific answer for this and that's fine. ⁓ But question that I wanted to propose was if you to like say close your eyes and forget what you look like, ⁓ forget what you sound like, but you're invited to visualize an image of ⁓ most powerful being that you can possibly be. And by powerful I don't simply mean like ⁓ immense strength, I don't mean the power to dominate the world and whatnot, but simply a being without limits, a being of pure freedom. What image comes to mind? HEAL: Mm-hmm. ⁓ that is very easy. Tiamat. ⁓ ⁓ magic is answer. ⁓ according the, related to the question you made last, I think it's the fear of magic that is stopping us to believe in our own self. So if I, something I could explore and Luigi: Ha ha ha! Lynn: I it. HEAL: being limitless and nothing, it don't have like boundaries or anything like that. It be pure magic. I think that is the most seductive role that we can play. you of course I am a goddess, I'm a divine goddess, I'm Tiamat, one of the most beautiful women in the universe, you know, the mother of everything. But at the same time, we have to be seduced by magic to believe that it's true. Because that is what is magic. Magic, in fact, to me, magic, the translation or definition of the word magic is the ability to manifest, the ability to believe. That is magic. when you have the freedom to scream it, and they say, am pure magic, you know, it's giving yourself permission to be ⁓ you seduce yourself in believing, in loving yourself, what it means that you want to be. So yes. Luigi: So much to be. HEAL: Yeah. Tiamat, yes. My beautiful goddess, ⁓ my goddess, my queen, my everything. Yeah, so that is my dragon. Being a dragon, I think, ⁓ is you the freedom of that beauty of magic. Yes. Be a dragon. Yeah. Dragon will be. Lynn: Of course. Amelie: The secret is out. Lynn: That's a good advice in general, think. Be a dragon. It's very quotable. ⁓ Well, next question, and I said, will be the last round of questions. But one of the questions ⁓ have here, you actually already answered. So I'm just going to the other question. And was a question. Is it question is whether you feel HEAL: Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Lynn: like you are really changing ⁓ you're still sabotaging yourself. HEAL: I think both is answer. think I'm already changing, but I'm still sabotaging myself. So I think that it's through the sabotaging. No, it's not through the sabotaging. It's through creating awareness when you are sabotaging yourself that you change. So I think when use the yourself as tool to realize the thing that you need to change is wonderful. The problem is most of the time we sabotage ourselves in a subconscious way, you know, and we have the tendency to carry on repeating patterns of behavior and of particular relationship. I'm with relationships and Well, probably not terrible thing. The world is terrible with me. God, got coughed up. This is the dragon that, the fire is not coming out. So, sorry. So no, yes, I think that... ⁓ Lynn: You We can also cut that out, so that's fine. We can just skip it. HEAL: a certain point we have to to say stop. I want to learn the Spanish but without the sabotaging aspect of it. But I think that it's very difficult to make deep ⁓ deep of yourself in a subconscious level. ⁓ You to have probably a stronger emotion can trigger a change that the original emotion ⁓ anchor that behavior in you. I think it's very difficult ⁓ change. It's very difficult to be aware of situations where you are sabotaging yourself. So I'm working on that. I'm working on how can be conscious ⁓ the subconscious aspect of my behavior. Lynn: Yeah, we are very resistant to change. Yeah, Amelie: So I have the next question the next question is, are you with your life and you change anything? HEAL: Yes, I'm happy with my life and I would change everything. You know, because I think that is through changes that we can explore and develop new things. I would say I'm content with what I do. Yes, sometimes I'm spontaneously so in love with life and spontaneously I'm smiling. I catch myself. smiling to my own self and saying, I love you, girl. And I think these moments, I don't change it. you arrive to that possibility to say, genuinely feel love for yourself and feel and smiling for ⁓ a or just spontaneously smiling because you feel content in your heart. Those moments are priceless. think that I have to change. Yes, evolving. I'm changing. What I would like to change, I would to change the ability to change Sometimes I think that change ⁓ is going very motion and in very, very slow and ⁓ small quantity. So things I would like to change, have been faster. Lynn: You know that, too, that change is the two of disks, right? And the disks are the slowest over the four suits and how... It might just not go any faster, it just... Amelie: yeah. ⁓ HEAL: No, but be honest, ⁓ I think change means we are not satisfied with something that is recurrent or something that is happening that we perceive, you know. So ⁓ perception is as a lot of these new guys, they are very happy to say nowadays. Luigi: Changes like the Earth. HEAL: But at the same time, I think that we should not take things seriously. I found myself laughing about myself more often, every single day. I laugh about things that people take too seriously. I laugh about the situation of the world. Very funny people would say, but you are like a little bit crazy or that's it, not very. empathetic or very polite of you, you know, but sometimes you find the situation very ridiculous. So think it's not a judgemental situation is that you have to perceive things just for the fun of it. You fun and you laugh and you don't take things too seriously and there is not drama. I think people are addicted to drama. ⁓ And I found that amusing. It's like watching a soap opera on television or something like that. And you just want to say, take out the violins and let's play the music. yes, call cynical. Yeah, well, call me whatever. I don't care. But I found these moments where you are, genuinely your heart is smiling. and you feel happy and content and there is nothing else, there is nothing more. Those moments in life are the most precious and the most beautiful and the more genuine that they are. So I don't think that taking things too seriously allows you laugh about yourself. ⁓ Luigi: I think I have the last one. Thank you for that. I do have the question, but obviously you have been extremely effective ⁓ proficient ⁓ providing answers for all the questions already in some way or the other. ⁓ yeah, guess I'm going to try and ask you this not again, but I'll see if you can give me any extra information about this because I know that you touched upon this already. So the question would have been, HEAL: You Luigi: how awareness plays a role in your evolution and can one be truly conscious who they are? And I think the first part you touched upon a fair amount, but please feel free to add. I guess the most important part of the question right now would be, can one really be conscious of who they are? Can we really be conscious of who we are? HEAL: No, and that is the beautiful thing of the game. Because imagine you are in a game where every stop there is like a new adventure or a new question to answer. It's through the... And I think I can see it through people as well. Sometimes you explore part of yourself through others, you know, through the interactions you have with other people. little circumstances or like eureka moments that open a new It's like a new card in the game that is by something, a concept or a question or things like that. Like now, this interaction we have right now is like opening a new window for you to explore. an answer, you know. So I think the more you evolve in the spiritual process, less you know about who you are. And that is the most beautiful thing because that's called freedom, you know. That is like someone very kindly let a door, new door open or a little bit ajar for you to have a peek, you know, go around and cuckoo who's there, you know. that's the thing we have to do. It's like seeing the world as we were children. That we were seeing everything big and tall and awesome and wow. So I think awareness, it gives you that latitude of freedom to explore new things ⁓ to be like humble. But humble in a different way. It's not this ⁓ Particularly in the spiritual world, have people with a lot of these spiritual egos that is a trap, that is sometimes worse than, you know, people who consider themselves not spiritual, whatever. But I think real awareness is not that makes you humble, is that it invites you to play as a child. you know, to have a look, a peek in that new door that you had just opened. ⁓ take that ⁓ something you would like to learn or to explore or to adventure, so to have the curiosity just to experience, to feel things, you know. It is the way how can ⁓ grow and evolve. in yourself to acquire that moments of joy, contentment and happiness that you are smiling without no reasons. So I think that the awareness principles is just like a tool to help you to be less here. But for me, who's talking, a very academic person. I'm more here because it's to explore feelings and to explore barriers and we use your imagination and your creativity. think those aspects, they don't have boundaries. It's when you close your, this of ⁓ closing eyes ⁓ and that you have nobody, you are nothingness, are no time, no space, no nothing. The freedom that you feel, the openness, ⁓ you know, like... you are the whole universe and you feel the whole universe is feeling through you, you know, so that your body is part of the and you are part of the universe. So it's like, where did you stop being the universe or where did you start being you? Or maybe you are just expression of the universe feeling itself, you know. ⁓ explore all the abilities, all the... compartments, there is no taboos or forbidden areas or hell or heaven. There is nothing else. It's just like the whole canvas is there for you. And for that, we become humble because it's not to, as we have the ability to be the whole universe, you know, we just have to have a smile and say, it is okay. it is okay to be the universe. there is nothing to show, to demonstrate, or to prove, or disapprove of others in their belief, or their belief in whatever God believe. Yeah, does that make you happy? Everything is okay. So yes, I Yeah, so. ⁓ Luigi: Pressure is off. ⁓ HEAL: I'm very curious about all the religions and the belief of people. participate, I look, I try to learn and I found them fascinating. But I think awareness, it gives you the ability to become curious and to be a childlike and to laugh. Yes. Lynn: Thank you! Well, very good. That concludes our first interview for our hosts. Drop a comment, like, subscribe. Luigi: Thank you. That was a lecture in consciousness. HEAL: That's it. Amelie: Thank HEAL: Yeah, I'm quite mystical, but yes, I am mystical. Yeah, I am. Amelie: Mm-hmm. HEAL: Thank you very much. That's very kind. Lynn: And you want to know more about us three hosts, you can just click yourself through to the videos if they're already uploaded and watch the next one, whoever you're most curious about. Thanks for tonight and catch you in the next one. ⁓ HEAL: Thank you very much to you all. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for your lovely questions. I hope that I open a little bit window to know more or to have people to be more courteous or even people want to make questions or they relate to the situation. I'm happy to assist anyone who needs it. Thank you. Luigi: Thank you, thank you. Amelie: Thank you. Lynn: Thank you. Good night. Bye. Luigi: Bye! Amelie: Thank you. Bye. Bye.