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Speaker 1: This is the report.
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Speaker 2: To the show, and tonight, well it's packed. The anti
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Speaker 2: Israel protests now turned to political violence against labor MPs.
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Speaker 2: These protests really are against Australia. To new pro polls
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Speaker 2: tell us that labors either struggling or even smashed after
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Speaker 2: the budget, which one is true. US President Joe Barden
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Speaker 2: stirs upracial tension against spies with an astonishing speech so
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Speaker 2: perfect timing. I'll talk to the professors just created the
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Speaker 2: first anti Wok academic course in the world that I
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Speaker 2: know of, and ask him why are the work so intolerant?
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Speaker 2: But first you've got to laugh. With one interview yesterday,
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Speaker 2: the labor MP, the very bright and very rich Andrew
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Speaker 2: Charlton put an end to an ABC campaign to spear
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Speaker 2: Peter Dunton as a racist for promising last week to
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Speaker 2: slash immigration. Now, I predicted back then this smear would
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Speaker 2: come every time there is a debate about immigration. Now
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Speaker 2: completely out of control, of course, there comes the media
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Speaker 2: left screaming racist. I mean John Howe was a racist
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Speaker 2: for saying Australia should choose who came here. Tony Abbott
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Speaker 2: a racist for saying he would stop the boats that
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Speaker 2: came under labor fifty thousand legal immigrants and now Peter
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Speaker 2: Dutton is a racist for saying labour bringing in nearly
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Speaker 2: a million migrants in two years is hurting Australia when
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Speaker 2: we're building houses for only half of them. Shocking staff.
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Speaker 2: Apparently Dunne's saying that seems tinged by a race, said
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Speaker 2: a Financial Review columnist Laura Tingall. The ABC's chief political
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Speaker 2: correspondent complaign Dutta was being so divisive that this should
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Speaker 2: not go unnoticed even after years of Pauline Hanson and
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Speaker 2: both people politics. This was populous political mischief. Populous, I
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Speaker 2: think actually means it's popular. In fact, just today resolved
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Speaker 2: pols in two thousands of Australians demanded this immigration thought
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Speaker 2: it was too high. But another ABC starts at the
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Speaker 2: dirty host Serah food first and just couldn't stomach having
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Speaker 2: done and talk like this about mass immigration.
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Speaker 3: To put Australians first in terms of hime ownership. And
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Speaker 3: that's a very key part of the speech.
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Speaker 4: Australia first doesn't sound like a very Australian type thing
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Speaker 4: to say put.
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Speaker 2: In Australians first, that's an Australian, says the ABC. It
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Speaker 2: makes me wonder what the ABC's preferred slogan is, put
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Speaker 2: Australians last. Now we have got to treat the immigration
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Speaker 2: policy more seriously than this. I mean, immigration changes a country.
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Speaker 2: It could be for good overall, it could also be forbad.
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Speaker 2: It depends you know how many people you bring in,
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Speaker 2: how and who exactly. Now Japan, for instance, things is
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Speaker 2: much more culturally united than safer by bringing in very
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Speaker 2: few immigrants. Right, So these vital issues should be debated
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Speaker 2: without comment. Comp datus screwing racists complaining about putting Australia first.
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Speaker 2: Not that Peter Dutton was backing down today.
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Speaker 3: The outrage from the usual suspects about you know why
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Speaker 3: you're proposing to cut the migration program because I'm putting
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Speaker 3: Australians first. That's why I want to make sure that
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Speaker 3: our migration program works for our country, not against the interests.
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Speaker 2: Of our country. But back to Andrew Charlton, the Federal
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Speaker 2: Labor MP and former chief economic advisor to them, prem
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Speaker 2: Minister Kevin Rudd Charting has now exposed this whole fake
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Speaker 2: outrage about Dunton and blaming immigrants in part for housing
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Speaker 2: proses going up races. Of course they're doing that, he
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Speaker 2: said two Sky users Andrew Kaleil yesterday. Of course the
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Speaker 2: obden of governments overseeing a housing crisis in fact causing it.
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Speaker 5: Really, it's true that we're in a full blown housing crisis,
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Speaker 5: and that's why the government has announced thirty two billion
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Speaker 5: dollars in new housing initiatives. Now compare that with the
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Speaker 5: opposition leader who had his big chance in his budget
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Speaker 5: reply and he did not announce a single new dollar
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Speaker 5: for housing supply.
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Speaker 2: You just called it a full blown housing crisis.
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Speaker 6: Do you accept that the immigration that's occurred has contributed
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Speaker 6: to that?
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Speaker 5: Absolutely, there's no question that high levels of immigration put
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Speaker 5: pressure on housing prices.
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Speaker 2: Even one of the Labour's brightest MPs, an economist for
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Speaker 2: Heaven's sake, says, yes, we do have a full blown
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Speaker 2: immigration crisis, nor housing crisis, and mass immigration is making
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Speaker 2: that worse. So what fool would think it's racist to
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Speaker 2: say this has got to change. Meanwhile, I'm hoping Labour
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Speaker 2: will now wake up to these anti Israel protests after
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Speaker 2: the thuggery at two protests on the weekend. And what
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Speaker 2: they've got to wake up to is this, These aren't
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Speaker 2: anti Israel protesters. They are anti Australian now. First was
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Speaker 2: protests outside of State Labor Conference in Melbourne on Saturday,
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Speaker 2: physically attacked and man handled labor politicians. Federally p Daniel
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Speaker 2: Molino was shoved, and protests also surrounded and shouted at
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Speaker 2: other politicians, including State Miss Lilian Ambrosio. In fact, the
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Speaker 2: woman shouting at her was race bating Senator Lydia Thorpe,
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Speaker 2: who joined the protesters who also invaded the building, some
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Speaker 2: of them banging on the conference room doors, had drowned
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Speaker 2: out a tribute inside to former Federal Labor leader sum Cream.
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Speaker 2: Now Premier Jacinta Allen was in sense, tweeting will today
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Speaker 2: protests intruders brought valence and homophobia, They abused the gay
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Speaker 2: politicians and an anti semitism to the front door of
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Speaker 2: State conference. I'm disgusted now the discuss is the appropriate reaction.
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Speaker 2: But have also got to hope that a light has
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Speaker 2: now gone boom on Labour's head, because what are these
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Speaker 2: protesters really about. They can't be helping Palestinians, not by
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Speaker 2: menacing Jews and blocking your traffic and fighting police and
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Speaker 2: vandalizing politicians. Officers spray paid over an ABC building of
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Speaker 2: all things and cheering the mass murder of Jews by
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Speaker 2: Homasteris on October seven, which is the atrocity that started
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Speaker 2: this war. Now, nothing these processes do here will stop
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Speaker 2: Israel from firing even a single bullet, because is round
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Speaker 2: those is fighting for its existence and it's not going
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Speaker 2: to stop just because protesters see are trashed Labor Minister
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Speaker 2: Bill Shorten's office or Deputy Premier Ben Carroll's office. Nor
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Speaker 2: will any of this stop Australia selling weapons of Israel
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Speaker 2: because guess what, we don't have them for years. So
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Speaker 2: none of what you've seen on those streets will stop
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Speaker 2: deaths in Gaza, but it does hurt Australia most obviously.
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Speaker 2: Of course, protesters are importing a due hatred unparalleled in
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Speaker 2: our history. Shameful. We've actually seen this ever since October nine,
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Speaker 2: which was actually two days after Masteros started this war
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Speaker 2: by invading Israel, massacring twelve hundred Israelis, raping women, beheading men,
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Speaker 2: shooting children. October nine, when protesters marched on the Sydney
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Speaker 2: Opera House to disrupt a memorial to the victims in
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Speaker 2: Israel and chanted due hatred like this. Also that rally
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Speaker 2: were hard left Sydney University, the academic So it's so
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Speaker 2: pitiless they refuse to condemn that slaughter and rape of
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Speaker 2: the Jews, and we're saying that resistance is justified. Now,
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Speaker 2: this indifference to Jews being massacred and raped has become
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Speaker 2: a perfect cover for Jew hatred. But this example just
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Speaker 2: thought the weekend yesterday, I think it was in Melbourne
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Speaker 2: abusive a protest that at a rally yesterday to support
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Speaker 2: Israel thanxs alls can watch your biggie have a look.
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Speaker 4: You've ugly God a little lord God online.
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Speaker 2: But that rally yesterday was also very telling. You had
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Speaker 2: Christians and Jews organizing it to support Israel. Anti Israel
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Speaker 2: protesters tried to shut it down. Six people were arrested,
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Speaker 2: all reportedly from the anti Israel side, and not for
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Speaker 2: the first time, by the way. So compare pro Israel
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Speaker 2: versus anti Israel, peaceful versus the violent free speech people
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Speaker 2: versing people trying to shut them up. That's the whole
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Speaker 2: civilizational battle right there in small luckily so far for US,
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Speaker 2: Western civilization versus the barbarians. So it's not just Israel
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Speaker 2: under attack. The light should go on. So are we
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Speaker 2: now joining me is the Monday Political Panel. Michael Kroger,
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Speaker 2: former Victorian Liberal President, Steve Conroy, former Laby Senator and
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Speaker 2: Cabinet minister step Conroy, You must be so disappointed to
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Speaker 2: see that protest outside and inside even the Labor Conference,
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Speaker 2: pushing and shoving politicians, shanning them down, stopping one from
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Speaker 2: giving a valedictory speech. This is no longer about saving Palestinians.
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Speaker 7: Well, I was actually at the conference for the first
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Speaker 7: time in many years, Andrew I was collecting my forty
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Speaker 7: year medallion, myself and sixty five other lucky ALP members,
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Speaker 7: So I actually witnessed it all firsthand, and it was disgusting.
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Speaker 7: It was disgraceful. It was everything about why these protesters
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Speaker 7: need to understand that they are behaving in a thuggish
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Speaker 7: and intimidatory way. It's not acceptable in Australia. The sort
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Speaker 7: of intimidation, abuse, homophobia, as Jacinta Allen has described, anti Semitism,
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Speaker 7: all of those things were completely rife through the two
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Speaker 7: days of the LP conference as well as on the
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Speaker 7: steps of the Parliament House. So it's just not acceptable.
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Speaker 7: Rolling gangs of thugs in the streets of Melbourne and
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Speaker 7: anywhere in Australia is not an acceptabay peaceful protest, Go
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Speaker 7: and stand in the squares, go and stand in the
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Speaker 7: public areas, voice your protests. But when it moves from
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Speaker 7: voicing your protest to the intimidation and abuse of other Australians,
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Speaker 7: whether they be of a Jewish background or their from
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Speaker 7: the day community, it is not acceptable. And I'm pleased
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Speaker 7: to see some of the campuses and now starting to
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Speaker 7: accept that they've crossed the bounds and that they're being
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Speaker 7: they're having the tense cities and the occupations starting to
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Speaker 7: be dismantled and moved on. So that's a step forward.
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Speaker 7: But it's only because a whole range of people like yourself,
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Speaker 7: Andrew Michael and others. Phil Della Darkas spoke at a
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Speaker 7: rally I think today good on him wanting to point
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Speaker 7: out the difference between peaceful protests and intimidation and thuggery.
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Speaker 7: It has to stop and with the authorities I needed
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Speaker 7: to draw that line. Then that's what needs to happen.
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Speaker 2: There's the key, Michael, this is what you know. Stephen said,
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Speaker 2: They've got to realize, you know, what they're doing is stugglish.
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Speaker 2: They realized that, he said we've got to be peaceful.
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Speaker 2: They don't want to be peaceful. They actually don't want
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Speaker 2: to be peaceful. The violence and intimidation is what's getting
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Speaker 2: off their rocks. Really, this is the issue here. This
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Speaker 2: is not really about saving Palestine. This is licensed thuggery
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Speaker 2: and it's got you know, this is the enemy here.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, they don't want the demonstration to be peaceful. A
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Speaker 8: peaceful demonstration gets no publicity, so the hard left in
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Speaker 8: this case the sort of cesspit of you know, I
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Speaker 8: was at that rally yesterday in the city, and you're
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Speaker 8: what you said was absolutely right that the Jewish people there.
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Speaker 8: It was peaceful, it was friendly, it was it was inclusive,
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Speaker 8: it was a beautiful, a choreographed rally of people from
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Speaker 8: all different faiths and political parties speaking, and then fifty
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Speaker 8: meters away and I watched. I went over and watched
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Speaker 8: the Palestinian demonstrators for an hour. I stood there fifty
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Speaker 8: meters from their front line for an hour, and all
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Speaker 8: I saw was a toxic cesspit of vile Jewish hatred
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Speaker 8: emanating from these people. The four year old grandmother who
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Speaker 8: they call the Zionis pig, the man they dragged the
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Speaker 8: flag from et cetera, et cetera. You know, people from
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Speaker 8: the Jewish community who are coming walking through, coming to
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Speaker 8: the demonstration, the antisemitism and demonstration were abused and hassled.
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Speaker 8: That's what the left want. They want these demonstrations, all
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Speaker 8: hard left demonstrations, whether it's on this or any issue,
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Speaker 8: are designed to intimidate, intimidate people, working class people, people
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Speaker 8: are not associated with these events, to intimidate people that
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Speaker 8: are thinking, Oh, they're very angry, so they must have
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Speaker 8: something to be angry about. They must have some legitimacy
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Speaker 8: to their cause, otherwise they wouldn't be so angry. So
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Speaker 8: left wing demonstrators demonstrations are designed to intimidate their design
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Speaker 8: to be angry. And you see what's happened in the universities,
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Speaker 8: the more outrageous signs they put up, et cetera, et cetera.
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Speaker 8: That's what they do, right, This is the hallmark of
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Speaker 8: the far left. And as I said, this was just
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Speaker 8: a toxic stew of Jewish hatred from these sort of
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Speaker 8: you know, allegedly pro Palestinian demonstrated. They hate the West,
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Speaker 8: I hate Western civilization, they hate Western culture, and on
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Speaker 8: this occasion they just hate Jews.
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Speaker 2: Well, to say that it should wake up to themselves
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Speaker 2: and not going to This is what they do, and
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Speaker 2: what I think everyone else should do is wake up
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Speaker 2: to the fact that what we're seeing in very small
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Speaker 2: and quite manageable and what should be is what Israel
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Speaker 2: phases in the large and very violent. This is the
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Speaker 2: sort of hatred and intolerance and anti Western kind of feeling.
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Speaker 2: But Stephen, the polls two poles came out today. They
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Speaker 2: agree on one thing. Labor hasn't got much bounce from
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Speaker 2: the budget Newspop founded despite the tax company and the
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Speaker 2: literacity rebate, and twenty seven percent of voters thought they'd
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Speaker 2: be better off. And both poles showed voters worried about
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Speaker 2: the budget to be inflationary. But here's the big difference.
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Speaker 2: The News pole showed Labour's primary vote at thirty four
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Speaker 2: percent add preference of the Greens and others, as still
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Speaker 2: as a laborhead of the liber fifty forty eight. But
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Speaker 2: the Resolve poll shows a Labors primary vote down to
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Speaker 2: now a disastrous twenty nine percent. The thing is, can
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Speaker 2: we actually believe that?
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Speaker 7: Look, I think, firstly to your point about a bounce
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Speaker 7: on the budget, it's been many years since I've seen
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Speaker 7: anybody's budget, whether it was an Abbot budget, a Turbo budget,
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Speaker 7: a Morrison budget, or either or any of the Elbow
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Speaker 7: Jim Chalmers budgets have shown any bounce at all. The
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Speaker 7: media management of budgets now is so choreographed, so all
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Speaker 7: the big issues, all the teasers, are all put out
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Speaker 7: in the weeks or two before and so budget now
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Speaker 7: it's not a damn squib.
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Speaker 2: It sets out a.
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Speaker 7: Few things, but it doesn't really the one big bang
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Speaker 7: of announcements that people could go right, okay, it's just
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Speaker 7: been leaked for weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks before.
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Speaker 7: So I think the day is when a big bang
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Speaker 7: from the budget. They're pretty much gone, just due to
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Speaker 7: social media and the change in the media environments. So
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Speaker 7: that's the first point to the second one. I think
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Speaker 7: you're dead right. I don't believe the thirty four. I
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Speaker 7: don't believe the twenty nine. I put us somewhere probably
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Speaker 7: thirty one or thirty two, which means with thirty one
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Speaker 7: thirty two primary vote, it's still a hard place to
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Speaker 7: win a majority government from. I'm sure the labor hardheads
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Speaker 7: are looking at these poles going they're a chance of
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Speaker 7: my minority government. They are a chance of majority governments
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Speaker 7: and it'll come down to a seat by seat contest.
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Speaker 7: That's the thing we keep forgetting the teels. There's still
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Speaker 7: nothing there to say Peter Dutton is going to get
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Speaker 7: close to be being prime minister after the next election,
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Speaker 7: the latest April May next year. Nothing in these poles
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Speaker 7: says Peter Dutton's going to be the prime minister.
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Speaker 2: So your real alternative between.
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Speaker 7: Minority labor governments or majority label governments.
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Speaker 2: But Michael Kroger, the other thing about that is whether
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Speaker 2: I can't disagree, which is what Steve just said. But
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Speaker 2: think of this Labor the Worker's Party getting less than
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Speaker 2: a third by Steve's own calculation too, less than a
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Speaker 2: third of the primary votes of the Austrian public. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: that's right.
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Speaker 8: And if you look at the Resolve poll of twenty
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Speaker 8: nine percent primary vote, and I agree with Steve, I
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Speaker 8: think it's probably a bit higher than that. If you
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Speaker 8: dissect that, you click on it, you can see what
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Speaker 8: percentage of that are women and what percentage of men
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Speaker 8: of that twenty nine twenty seven women, percent of women
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Speaker 8: voting labor, thirty one percent of men labor have a
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Speaker 8: woman problem. Women are not voting labor, they're not indicating
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Speaker 8: they're going to vote labor. And that's to do with
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Speaker 8: what I call internal security issues. And they're all the
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Speaker 8: things that you can think of. But the sailing thing
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Speaker 8: about the Resolve poll is one year ago Labour's primary
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Speaker 8: vote on the Resolve pole was forty one percent. It's
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Speaker 8: now twenty nine percent. So this guy's not headed for reelection.
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Speaker 8: Well in his own right, he's headed for reelection if
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Speaker 8: he is re elected. He's headed for re election with
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Speaker 8: the support of the Independence in a minority government. If
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Speaker 8: he gets that far. Yeah, well that undoubtedly includes the
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Speaker 8: Greens andrew.
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Speaker 2: I look unfortunately true. But the bigger picture for the
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Speaker 2: Liberals is people are going off labor, but they're not
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Speaker 2: sold on the Liberals yet, so they've got some work
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Speaker 2: to do. Michael kroegerstevehn Conroy, Thanks to you both. The
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Speaker 2: big foreign news today is the death of Iran's president
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Speaker 2: and helicopter crash. Abraham Raisi became first became infamous as
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Speaker 2: a judge sentencing thousands of political prisoners to death. He
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Speaker 2: yesterday went to open a new hydro electric dam with
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Speaker 2: Azerbaijan's president on their common border. He took off with
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Speaker 2: the runs foreign minister next to him and crashed in
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Speaker 2: the mountains in the heavy mist and rain. The wreckage
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Speaker 2: is now being found. No survivors joined me as the
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Speaker 2: country's top foreign affairs writer Greg Sheridan of The Australian
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Speaker 2: Greg Sheridan, thanks for joining me en route. There are
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Speaker 2: Iranians in morning. I've seen pictures of that. There's also
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Speaker 2: several unverified videos of other Iranians setting off fireworks in
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Speaker 2: celebration at this theft. Why would that be? Who is
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Speaker 2: this guy?
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Speaker 9: Well, you think it was a very central figure in
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Speaker 9: the Iranian regime. Is extremely ideo ideological, very bloodthirsty judge.
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Speaker 9: He was responsible for the deaths of a lot of dissidents,
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Speaker 9: and he was a full, fully paid up, leading member
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Speaker 9: of the very totalitarian and oppressive Islamist ideology which runs Iran,
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Speaker 9: and which also tolerates a great deal of financial corruption,
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Speaker 9: but which has the leading characteristic that it's the most
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Speaker 9: oppressive totalitarian Islamist regime in the sheer world.
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Speaker 2: Certainly, now Israel and he Ran have been firing missiles
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Speaker 2: that he that's as part of Israel's warth mass. Iran
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Speaker 2: is sponsoring a mass like many other terrorist groups around
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Speaker 2: the world. Could Israel actually have brought down this helicopter.
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Speaker 9: I think that's extremely unlikely, extremely unlikely. Israel has not
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Speaker 9: targeted Iranian government leaders. It has on occasions in the
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Speaker 9: past targeted military leaders, especially from Iran, especially when they
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Speaker 9: are in Syria and conducting operations against Israel, or if
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Speaker 9: they're in Iraq doing the same thing. This would be
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Speaker 9: a very radical departure for Israel, and I don't think
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Speaker 9: there'd been much upside to it, honestly, and I.
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Speaker 2: Must say I've seen no evidence for it either. But
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Speaker 2: it'll be interesting if Iran decides in his interest to
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Speaker 2: somehow suggest Israel's complicit Iran it's actually as look you've
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Speaker 2: written this, I don't know how often a part of
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Speaker 2: a new access of tyranny really with Russia, China, North
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Speaker 2: Korea or cooperating relatively closely. It's an alliance that seems
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Speaker 2: increasingly dominated by China. Russia used to be the big
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Speaker 2: guys in the neighborhood. Now it's definitely China. Look, I
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Speaker 2: won't be seeing too much in this greg but I
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Speaker 2: thought it was fascinatingly obvious last Thursday, when Russian President
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Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin came to visit China's president Jinping, who made
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Speaker 2: Putin walk to him for a greeting and showed in
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Speaker 2: all his body language as a master of it who
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Speaker 2: was boss, before finally offering him a hug when they
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Speaker 2: said goodbye. Now, China's publicly back to Russia in its
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Speaker 2: invasion of Ukraine. What was the side of this meeting
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Speaker 2: do we know?
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Speaker 6: Well?
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Speaker 9: I think this was the nineteenth or twentieth time that
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Speaker 9: Vladimir Putin has traveled to Beijings. You're absolutely right, Andrew,
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Speaker 9: There's no doubt a little Chijinping is the dominant figure
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Speaker 9: in this four part of lines. And I think that
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Speaker 9: the West is almost stretched beyond by the actions of
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Speaker 9: the two medium members of this alliance, Russia and Iran,
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Speaker 9: each of them much much less powerful than China. If
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Speaker 9: China and North Korea acted simultaneously with Russia and Iran,
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Speaker 9: it'd be very hard for the United States to cope,
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Speaker 9: because the rest of us do almost nothing at all.
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Speaker 9: I don't think we've got any really revolutionary announceables out
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Speaker 9: of this meeting. China is continuing to supply Russia with
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Speaker 9: a lot of Julius technology, not with lethal weapons per se,
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Speaker 9: but with technologies which are easily adaptable for Julius purposes.
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Speaker 9: The US Secretary of State Anthony B. Lincoln doesn't think
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Speaker 9: Russia would have been able to stay in the war
22:41
Speaker 9: without Chinese support, and Biden. The Biden administration has been,
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Speaker 9: as you'd expect, completely weak in responding to China, basically
22:51
Speaker 9: ensuring that the sanctions regime against Russia is toothless. Now
22:56
Speaker 9: the friends of China would say it has prevailed on
22:58
Speaker 9: Russia not to use nuclear happens, But it's very unclear
23:01
Speaker 9: to me Russia would have used nuclear weapons without Chinese restraint.
23:05
Speaker 9: But China empowers Russia, and so does North Korea by
23:10
Speaker 9: selling it missiles, and Russia and Iran empowered China.
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Speaker 2: It's a very interesting dynamic. China is now the big brother,
23:21
Speaker 2: and Russia seems to exist a supply with oil and
23:26
Speaker 2: gas and whatever China wants at rock bottom prices too
23:30
Speaker 2: because of the sanctions. You wrote a terrific piece, a
23:34
Speaker 2: very interesting piece in The Australian at greg about Donald
23:39
Speaker 2: Trump's lead over Joe Barden. It's now beginning to look
23:44
Speaker 2: I must say, almost overwhelming with the elections in November.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, so anything can happen. And I do think the
23:53
Speaker 9: election now is Donald Trump's to lose, only he could
23:56
Speaker 9: lose it for himself. But he could lose it, of course,
23:59
Speaker 9: because it's all self discipline. But He's now leading Biden
24:03
Speaker 9: in the general nationwide popular vote, which is astonishing given
24:07
Speaker 9: how badly Republicans fare in California and New York. But
24:11
Speaker 9: he is leading in the battleground states by very large margins,
24:15
Speaker 9: by more than ten points in Nevada, by seven points
24:18
Speaker 9: in Michigan. The closest one is Pennsylvania, where Trump is
24:22
Speaker 9: ahead three points. Well, if anything like those polls holds
24:26
Speaker 9: up in November, Trump wins handsomely. And all the trends
24:30
Speaker 9: are against Biden. The American people have decided he's not
24:34
Speaker 9: competent mentally or physically. Inflation is killing them. It's not
24:38
Speaker 9: going to get any better. Biden is not going to
24:40
Speaker 9: get any younger. Before the election. The people are very
24:43
Speaker 9: unhappy with the absolute open border with Mexico. On every
24:47
Speaker 9: single policy issue, Biden has caved into the left. He
24:51
Speaker 9: is a president in a world of trouble, and the
24:54
Speaker 9: only reason it's not as sure of prediction is because
24:57
Speaker 9: we're still several months away. And as they used to say,
24:59
Speaker 9: well championship, any wrestling, anything can happen and probably will.
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Speaker 2: Oh yes, But like you say, I think it's Donald
25:09
Speaker 2: Trump coming home with a wet sail. We'll see. Greg Sheridan,
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 9: Thanks so much, Andrew.
25:17
Speaker 2: After the break, the professor who's teaching the first university
25:21
Speaker 2: course about work politics and threat after this. Now, as
25:31
Speaker 2: you know, we're given in the era of woke, don't
25:34
Speaker 2: we just see that in all these anti Israel protests. Now,
25:37
Speaker 2: all these protesters dressing up like Palestinians and protesting effectively
25:42
Speaker 2: on the side of Islamic militants who have decided are
25:44
Speaker 2: they oppressed because of their I guess their skin color
25:48
Speaker 2: and the fact they're poor and someone must have oppressed them.
25:51
Speaker 2: So I mean, holding's a joke. Work work politics, of
25:55
Speaker 2: course is worse in our universities. That's where with their
25:58
Speaker 2: whiteness studies and their pronouns and all this kind of stuff.
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Speaker 2: But it's actually a fight back. Professor Eric Kaufman last
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Speaker 2: the acquitt as of Professor of Politics at the University
26:09
Speaker 2: of London after years of harassment for criticizing work politics,
26:13
Speaker 2: he moved instead to the University of Buckingham to, among
26:16
Speaker 2: other things, that the first course studying work politics, and
26:20
Speaker 2: last week he published his newest book, The Third Awakening.
26:24
Speaker 2: It's called a twelve point plan for rolling back progressive extremism.
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Speaker 2: Professor Kaufman joins me now, Professor Eric Kaufman, thank you
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Speaker 2: so much for your time. First, can you tell us
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Speaker 2: how do you define woke?
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Speaker 6: The simple one sentence definition is the making sacred of
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Speaker 6: historically marginalized race, gender, and sexual identity groups. So that's
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Speaker 6: the sentence definition. What follows from making those groups sacred
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Speaker 6: is that you cannot even the most sensitive member of
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Speaker 6: such a group, and if you do, you've transgressed the
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Speaker 6: sacred and you must be excommunicated or canceled. So the
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Speaker 6: kind of fuzzy philosophy that emerges from making those groups
27:17
Speaker 6: sacred is this idea that we must have perfectly qualitative outcomes,
27:21
Speaker 6: so no race or gender gaps, for example, in the boardroom,
27:25
Speaker 6: and we must have perfect emotional harm protection for these groups.
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Speaker 6: So that means again any speech which could be construed
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Speaker 6: as insensitive in any way must be censored. And that's
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Speaker 6: really what brings us to cancel culture.
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Speaker 2: Can you explain to me one interesting development of the
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Speaker 2: whole woke movement, Why is being anti Israel now so woke?
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Speaker 2: How come that's become the woke cause of the day.
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Speaker 6: Well, because race is sacred. The white, partically white male
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Speaker 6: is the fallen if you like, has the lowest number
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Speaker 6: of oppression points, blacker indigenous has the highest number of
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Speaker 6: oppression points. That creates a lens in the world, a
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Speaker 6: lens of white oppressor and minority indigenous oppressed, white colonizer
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Speaker 6: settler versus minority powerless indigenous innocent. Now you take that
28:28
Speaker 6: lens as applied to a country like Canada, the us R, Australia,
28:34
Speaker 6: or Britain with its empire. You take that same kind
28:37
Speaker 6: of racial lens black versus white. You apply it then
28:41
Speaker 6: into Israel, where, of course it's a much more complicated situation,
28:44
Speaker 6: but they simplify that into there's a white settler colonizer,
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Speaker 6: which is the Jews, and then there is the indigenous
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Speaker 6: colonized people of color, which is the Palestinian. So they've
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Speaker 6: kind of transposed this woke frame work around the sacredness
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Speaker 6: of race to that conflict and impose an incredibly simplifying lens,
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Speaker 6: and that's really what's energizing them.
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Speaker 2: You know. So if both of these.
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Speaker 6: Groups were unambiguously, you know, if we were talking about
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Speaker 6: Yemen or China, even if the West was supporting one side,
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Speaker 6: it just wouldn't have the same pickup because it doesn't
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Speaker 6: easily fit that narrative of white oppressor of people of color.
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Speaker 6: And that's really where I think the energy in the
29:29
Speaker 6: fire comes from for the left on this.
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Speaker 2: I think you're really telling us too that the why
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Speaker 2: just trying to, you know, argue back in terms of no,
29:41
Speaker 2: you've got history wrong about Israel, or you've got your
29:43
Speaker 2: demographics about the Jews in Israel wrong. It doesn't work.
29:48
Speaker 2: This is not about reason. This is about good or bad,
29:52
Speaker 2: and they need, in fact, the Israel to be seen
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Speaker 2: in that prison otherwise it simply doesn't work for them.
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Speaker 2: Now to me, hey, this is one of the great
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Speaker 2: dangers of Weldome that it takes us out of reason
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Speaker 2: and into the era, into the arena of force and intimidation.
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Speaker 2: Your book, twelve point Plan to Wind This Back is
30:14
Speaker 2: the subtitle what are some of your best ideas too?
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Speaker 2: Winding this back.
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Speaker 6: Well, what I argue is, first of all, young people
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Speaker 6: are twice as woke at least much less tolerant compared
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Speaker 6: to older people. Young leftists are much less tolerant compared
30:32
Speaker 6: to older leftists. Give you a couple of examples. You know,
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Speaker 6: if you take the United States, young people split roughly
30:39
Speaker 6: evenly between supporting Hamas and supporting Israell. In Britain, young
30:47
Speaker 6: people under twenty five are roughly split over whether JK.
30:52
Speaker 6: Rowling should be dropped by her publisher, whereas anyone over
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Speaker 6: forty five it sinks low single digits who believe that.
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Speaker 6: So we have to get at the education system and
31:02
Speaker 6: in particular the school system, and that means conservative governments
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Speaker 6: are going to really have to focus a lot more
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Speaker 6: seriously on reform of the curriculum in getting woken doctrination
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Speaker 6: out of the schools.
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Speaker 2: I couldn't agree with you more. That's a terrific, terrific
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Speaker 2: advice and one would hope to be taken up by
31:23
Speaker 2: governments here. Thank you so much, indeed for your.
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Speaker 6: Time, Thank you very much.
31:28
Speaker 2: After the break, should children under sixteen be banned from
31:31
Speaker 2: social media? Be pushed for that? Plus we take in
31:35
Speaker 2: this guy's fan from Lebanon. We treat them like a
31:37
Speaker 2: celebrity and you won't believe what he says about this country.
31:41
Speaker 2: Has Australia been to naive? We always started to see
31:49
Speaker 2: the real agenda of some anti Israel protest leaders here
31:53
Speaker 2: and wow this example. Nasim Ashni's president of the Australia
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Speaker 2: palasin Avic Network. He likes to appear on ABC TV
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Speaker 2: wearing lapel badge that links the Australian, the Aboriginal and
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Speaker 2: Palestinian flags like they're both the same cause he seems
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Speaker 2: so reasonable in fact that from mister Penny Woe gave
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Speaker 2: him a meeting and a shout out on X Now.
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Speaker 2: Mashnie's father is a Palestinian. Was a Palestini who came
32:24
Speaker 2: from Lebanon by lying how it'd become a Christian and
32:27
Speaker 2: faced persecution back there. We had to take him in.
32:31
Speaker 2: But when Mashnie's father died, a message was read out
32:33
Speaker 2: at his funeral, a tribute from the head of Hamas,
32:37
Speaker 2: the Islamist terror group. No wonder, Nasa the son can't
32:42
Speaker 2: seem to condemn Hamas now for raping the murdering Jews.
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Speaker 7: But will you condemn Hammas is hamas a terrorist organization.
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Speaker 6: In your view, will you condemn Israel's sixteen year occupation
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Speaker 6: a siege on Gaza?
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Speaker 2: And now Nasha Mashni or Nasa Mashni something extraordinary from him.
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Speaker 2: Last week he told protests Israel and Australia shared two
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Speaker 2: things in common, aside from being a shithole, racist settler colony.
33:13
Speaker 2: Apologies for the language. Yes, that's how he speaks about
33:16
Speaker 2: his own country. Now. They also have the highest incidents
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Speaker 2: of skin cancer. Before I explain why he mentions this,
33:25
Speaker 2: it's actually untrue. Israel is twenty third on list of
33:28
Speaker 2: skin cancers. But Mashni used this fake cancer statistic Israel
33:33
Speaker 2: and Australia the worst countries for skin cancers to delegitimize
33:37
Speaker 2: white Australians being here and supposedly white Jews in Israel.
33:43
Speaker 2: They said their skin is designed for Northern Europe, but
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Speaker 2: our skin is designed for this land. It's designed for
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Speaker 2: the Middle East. Never mind that Jews were in Jerusalem
33:51
Speaker 2: for one six hundred years or more before the Islam
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Speaker 2: was even invented. Never Mind that joining me O Daniel Wild,
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Speaker 2: Deputy Executive Directory the Institute Public Business, Steve Chavuro's senior
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Speaker 2: lecturer in History a Champion College, Daniel. It seems to
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Speaker 2: me Penny Wong has been very naive about the Palastinian
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Speaker 2: company she keeps when she tweets shout outs to a
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Speaker 2: guy like this, Well.
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Speaker 1: I hope you're right. I hope she's naive. I'm not
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Speaker 1: sure she is.
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Speaker 10: I find it hard to believe that Penny Wong doesn't
34:23
Speaker 10: know who this person is and what he has said.
34:25
Speaker 10: And now there's an opportunity for her to repudiate those
34:28
Speaker 10: remarks and to clarify that she does not believe Australia
34:32
Speaker 10: is a racist country. I've never heard Pennywong say that,
34:34
Speaker 10: so it would be an opportunity for her to do so.
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Speaker 1: This gets to a bigger issue Andrew.
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Speaker 10: A lot of Australians would look at those comments and
34:41
Speaker 10: they would ask, why is someone like that in our country.
34:46
Speaker 10: We want to be a country with open arms to
34:48
Speaker 10: those from all different walks of life, and we've been
34:51
Speaker 10: very successful in doing so. But what we've seen over
34:54
Speaker 10: recent years is a fracturing of our society. Division within
34:58
Speaker 10: our society with those who have long term, historic sectarian
35:03
Speaker 10: grievances in the nation they have come from. They import
35:07
Speaker 10: those issues to our nation, and a lot of Australians
35:11
Speaker 10: just don't understand why you would come to our country
35:14
Speaker 10: with those beliefs. If you really believe Australia is such
35:17
Speaker 10: a bad country, you've got to ask the question of
35:20
Speaker 10: why did you come here in the first place.
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Speaker 2: Well, there was a decision of his father's the Christian
35:30
Speaker 2: What a joke. But you raised an interesting point, Stephen,
35:34
Speaker 2: the naivety of our immigration system for so long that
35:39
Speaker 2: we had this idea that we could import people without
35:42
Speaker 2: importing the culture that came with them. Also, I believe
35:47
Speaker 2: in handing out now more than two thousand visitor visas
35:50
Speaker 2: to Palestinians, including from Gaza, during the war, with almost
35:54
Speaker 2: no time spent on checking who we are actually letting in.
35:57
Speaker 2: Now one in four of them are already applying to
36:00
Speaker 2: stay permanently as refugees. Now what do you make of this?
36:05
Speaker 2: I mean, I've find it weird that Arab countries taken
36:07
Speaker 2: all the most zero Palestinian refugees. But we're saying come
36:11
Speaker 2: on in.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And there's absolutely no excuse for labor bringing these
36:18
Speaker 4: people in. Because just two months after the October seventh massacres,
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Speaker 4: surveys were conducted in Palestine, in Gaza and in the
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Speaker 4: West Bank, and the overwhelming majority of Palestinians seventy two
36:32
Speaker 4: percent overall, eighty two percent just in the West Bank
36:36
Speaker 4: approved of the October seventh rapes, torches, murders, and kidnappings.
36:43
Speaker 4: Palestinians are overwhelmingly in favor of what happened on October
36:48
Speaker 4: the seventh, and.
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Speaker 1: Not just that.
36:50
Speaker 4: In Palestine. It's well known there's the Palestinian Authority's Martyrs Fund,
36:55
Speaker 4: which pays money to families of dead terrorists. And so
37:01
Speaker 4: we've got this naive view of people from overseas that
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Speaker 4: everyone is of goodwill, everyone just wants to come and
37:08
Speaker 4: make and just make a new life for themselves.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, No, there are a.
37:12
Speaker 4: Lot of people out there who hate juice, who glorify murder,
37:16
Speaker 4: and who are going to bring that mindset over here
37:19
Speaker 4: unless we smarten up. And this is something that Peter
37:21
Speaker 4: Dutton can lead the way on in terms of a
37:24
Speaker 4: sane immigration policy.
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Speaker 2: I don't ope anyone to explain more well at all,
37:32
Speaker 2: how she came to choose these two thousand people who
37:34
Speaker 2: are her department. Maybe they're Christians, but then again, and
37:38
Speaker 2: that's a mesh. His father said he was a Christian too,
37:40
Speaker 2: So what guarantee is that, Daniel. There's now campaign by
37:44
Speaker 2: News Corp and others to raise the age of them
37:47
Speaker 2: before children can access social media. Raise it from thirteen
37:52
Speaker 2: to sixteen. Now I get the panic. Of course, research
37:56
Speaker 2: from Donatis showing forty five percent of teens where abuse
37:59
Speaker 2: of harassed line. They spent an average online of four
38:04
Speaker 2: and a half hours a day. Twenty five percent was Saberably,
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Speaker 2: They're forty nine percent viewed false informational. I got to say,
38:10
Speaker 2: how they now have worked that out makes me suspicious.
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Speaker 2: I'm just wondering, Daniel, where are the parents, Why aren't
38:17
Speaker 2: they controlling the children's access through smartphones in the internet
38:21
Speaker 2: or really it must be face facts and say social
38:24
Speaker 2: media is you know banning access is the best way
38:27
Speaker 2: to deal with this.
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Speaker 1: Well, there is an important role for government here, Andrew.
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Speaker 10: Unfortunately, over the last few weeks the debate has been
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Speaker 10: dominated by misinformation and disinformation. That's where the federal government's
38:38
Speaker 10: been going, which has got nothing to do with protecting children.
38:40
Speaker 10: It's to do with shutting down debate and freedom of
38:43
Speaker 10: speech online. In terms of the exposure to children to
38:46
Speaker 10: social media and also other obscene content online that they
38:51
Speaker 10: can't contextualize or deal with properly.
38:54
Speaker 1: It's a whole of society effort.
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Speaker 10: Parents need to be the first port of call, and
38:57
Speaker 10: they need to be vigilant and on the front foot
39:00
Speaker 10: in making sure they know what their children are looking
39:02
Speaker 10: at and limiting their access to what's not going to
39:05
Speaker 10: be in their interest. But as children get older, it's
39:08
Speaker 10: harder for parents to keep an eye on it to
39:11
Speaker 10: control it. So look, I think limiting through regulation access
39:14
Speaker 10: to social media is a positive move. The question will
39:18
Speaker 10: be how are you going to be able to enforce it.
39:20
Speaker 10: There are already age limitations in place. I'm not sure
39:23
Speaker 10: that they're enforced effectively. So the devil is often in
39:26
Speaker 10: the detail. But look out of all the things that
39:28
Speaker 10: government is involved in in our lives, keeping children protected
39:32
Speaker 10: from various online content is a critical role and they've
39:36
Speaker 10: got to get it right.
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Speaker 4: Sin Java, Yeah, I mean, I definitely believe in protecting
39:43
Speaker 4: children from obscene from obscene and violent content is a
39:48
Speaker 4: good thing, and the state probably has a role in that.
39:51
Speaker 4: But just sort of banning miners from social media, it's
39:55
Speaker 4: just strikes me as parents outsourcing their job to the government.
39:59
Speaker 4: And there are plenty of people in government Julian V. Grant,
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Speaker 4: for example, who doesn't even want us to be able
40:04
Speaker 4: to see tweets that criticize transgender ideology. There are plenty
40:08
Speaker 4: of people in government who want to stop us from
40:10
Speaker 4: seeing a whole bunch of things that we should be
40:12
Speaker 4: allowed to see.
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Speaker 1: And the key rule is.
40:15
Speaker 4: That once we start allowing government to pair it our
40:18
Speaker 4: children's for us, we shouldn't be surprised when government starts
40:22
Speaker 4: to treat everyone like a child.
40:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that's correct. Just quickly before we go, Daniel,
40:30
Speaker 2: the immigration debate. How do you think that's playing for
40:34
Speaker 2: the government and for the opposition.
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Speaker 10: Well, I'm just happy there is a debate, Andrew. I mean,
40:40
Speaker 10: you know, you've been talking about this. I've been talking
40:42
Speaker 10: about this for years and years, which is that we
40:44
Speaker 10: have to get migration under control. I mean, the entire
40:47
Speaker 10: economic edifice of this country is unsustainably based on mass migration.
40:52
Speaker 10: It's been sending per capita growth backwards for consecutive quarters
40:55
Speaker 10: of negative per capital growth, the first time that's happened
40:58
Speaker 10: in over forty years. So I'm happy that there is
41:01
Speaker 10: finally a debate on migration. I would say good on
41:04
Speaker 10: the Coalition and Peter Dutton for committing to a modest
41:08
Speaker 10: but meaningful cut to the net overseas numbers. Clearly that's
41:11
Speaker 10: going to have a positive impact on the housing market
41:13
Speaker 10: and easing the congestion on our roads and other critical
41:16
Speaker 10: social infrastructure. And I hope though that this is the
41:19
Speaker 10: beginning of a much more comprehensive reform, not just the end.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, seeing how both sides of politics have used
41:30
Speaker 2: this Ponzi scheme of mass immigration, I have little trust
41:33
Speaker 2: on either side, but you're right. Thankfully the Liberals are
41:36
Speaker 2: now raising it and hopefully they'll follow through. Daniel well
41:39
Speaker 2: as Stephen dravera thank you both for your time after
41:42
Speaker 2: the break one of the most dangerous and devices speeches.
41:45
Speaker 2: I think Joe Biden's ever given. That's probably saying something
41:48
Speaker 2: ees the Krakhu after this, Joe Barden, what a stunning
41:55
Speaker 2: performance yesterday, as is stunningly bad. Leader of a democracy
42:00
Speaker 2: at a duty to unite their people, right, particularly in
42:03
Speaker 2: an immigrant country like the US or Australia, and particularly
42:06
Speaker 2: now I mean somehow to try to make one people
42:09
Speaker 2: from all these tribes of races and ethnicity and religion
42:13
Speaker 2: that seemed to be splitting us all a part. They
42:15
Speaker 2: should be talking up their country and reminding people of
42:18
Speaker 2: what unites them instead in the very woke way that
42:21
Speaker 2: we see here too, Joe Barden. Yes, they went to
42:24
Speaker 2: a predominantly African American university Atlanta and told the graduates
42:28
Speaker 2: their country was against them, didn't much like them, and
42:30
Speaker 2: wouldn't give them a fair go because you know their race.
42:34
Speaker 2: And what was democracy good for?
42:37
Speaker 11: What is democracy? A black matter being killed on the street?
42:42
Speaker 11: What is democracy? Betrayal of broker promises still lead black
42:47
Speaker 11: communities behind? What is democracy? You have to be ten
42:52
Speaker 11: times better than anyone else to get a fair shot.
42:55
Speaker 11: Most of all, what does it mean before he'd be
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Speaker 11: a black man who loves his country even if it
43:05
Speaker 11: doesn't love him back in egal measure?
43:09
Speaker 2: Joining me every Monday? Is this the crect writer broadcast
43:12
Speaker 2: columnists is so much more? It's the great to see
43:15
Speaker 2: you again. What kind of message is there?
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Speaker 12: It's not exactly the best sales pitch you would expect
43:21
Speaker 12: for someone running for re election. But Joe Biden, we
43:25
Speaker 12: have to remember is on Morehouse College, which is a
43:27
Speaker 12: college in the state of Georgia, which is one of
43:29
Speaker 12: the key swing states that the Democrats are actually seeing
43:32
Speaker 12: nudge more and more towards Donald Trump, even though it
43:36
Speaker 12: was key in securing his victory back in twenty to twenty.
43:39
Speaker 12: Now it's easier to basically talk about grievance politics and
43:43
Speaker 12: to talk about things that will make people angry instead
43:45
Speaker 12: of talking about aspiration. Because once you talk about aspiration
43:47
Speaker 12: and prosperity and success and autonomy, people start taking a
43:50
Speaker 12: closer look, particularly on the Democrats record on education, on immigration,
43:56
Speaker 12: and particularly how decades of basically Democrat rule in the
44:00
Speaker 12: community in the US has really stagnated their progress. So
44:03
Speaker 12: of course he has to do this. I mean, the
44:05
Speaker 12: speech was completely shambol Like, these students are paying, you know,
44:08
Speaker 12: around fifty thousand dollars to go to that college. You
44:12
Speaker 12: don't really want to be told that after spending all
44:14
Speaker 12: that money, the country they're hoping to succeed in is
44:16
Speaker 12: against you. But he really has no other car to play.
44:19
Speaker 12: And this is one of the things that has become
44:21
Speaker 12: very clear with the Democrats. You know, they're not talking
44:23
Speaker 12: about pulling people out of poverty or doing the things
44:25
Speaker 12: that we know actually lead to success. Because if they
44:29
Speaker 12: do that, then those groups or those communities will not
44:31
Speaker 12: be as reliant on the Democrats or be a show
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Speaker 12: vote for the Democrats in the future. And I think
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Speaker 12: Donald Trump, for all his fault, summed this up when
44:39
Speaker 12: he said to the black community, what else do you
44:41
Speaker 12: have to lose? And I think that was the most
44:42
Speaker 12: damning indictment of the Democrats and particularly Joe Biden, because
44:45
Speaker 12: they have basically run mainly ethnic minority cities for decades
44:50
Speaker 12: and they seem to be getting worse, not better.
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Speaker 2: But as you say, face, there are fifty thousand dollars
44:57
Speaker 2: a student US, right, so what is it in Australia,
45:02
Speaker 2: you know, going up to seventy unless you've got fee,
45:06
Speaker 2: you know, some sort of fee relief. Their parents must
45:09
Speaker 2: be doing alright to afford that, and these kids that
45:12
Speaker 2: have a terrific launching pad to make good fine education.
45:16
Speaker 2: I mean, why, how damaging is it to Americans? You
45:21
Speaker 2: mentioned the political dynamic here, but how damaging a message
45:25
Speaker 2: to tell them they're victims because of their race, people
45:28
Speaker 2: who could get gunned down in the street despite obviously
45:31
Speaker 2: their advantages.
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Speaker 12: It's incredibly damaging, especially when you sort of push that
45:37
Speaker 12: rhetoric to young people who are filled with hope, right,
45:40
Speaker 12: young people that are going out to take on the world.
45:43
Speaker 12: By telling them that they're off to a bad starch
45:45
Speaker 12: just by virtue of the color of their skin, you're
45:47
Speaker 12: really kind of playing down their hopes for the future.
45:50
Speaker 12: And I think this is one of those things that
45:51
Speaker 12: you kind of see are splits between sort of Black
45:53
Speaker 12: American attitudes towards America and Black African immigrants that go
45:57
Speaker 12: to the US because you know, like myself, know that
46:01
Speaker 12: we're coming from a place that's so much worse and
46:03
Speaker 12: poverty is rife, and you know, people that are against
46:05
Speaker 12: you just happen to.
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Speaker 2: Share your reflection.
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Speaker 12: These kinds of tactics don't tend to work, but in
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Speaker 12: Black American communities, you really see them resonate with the
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Speaker 12: sort of grievance politics because one, they don't really have
46:15
Speaker 12: much to compare it to, but also it really hits
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Speaker 12: close to home in a way that people that come
46:19
Speaker 12: from outside that are really grateful for those opportunities don't see.
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Speaker 2: That's an interesting point because you remind me of Barack Obama,
46:27
Speaker 2: you know, with his different background. Colon Powell became Secretary
46:32
Speaker 2: of State he was from where one of the islands
46:36
Speaker 2: off America. The victimology culture that's been challenged by some
46:42
Speaker 2: inspirational black conservatives. You got Thomas Soule in the US,
46:45
Speaker 2: you got Trevor Phillips in Britain. I admire him, just
46:49
Speaker 2: in to them for jimper Price. Here in Australia, you
46:52
Speaker 2: now a fresh voice in this debate. How come you've joined,
46:57
Speaker 2: how come you've cast off the victimology that for many people,
47:01
Speaker 2: particularly of lesser talents, has been an armrear ride.
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Speaker 12: Well, I think it's a bit of a reality check
47:08
Speaker 12: having lived in another part of the world, when you
47:10
Speaker 12: grew up in the place like Sub Saharan Africa, when
47:12
Speaker 12: you realize the people that are holding you back because
47:15
Speaker 12: of corruption and other sort of malicious state actions happen
47:20
Speaker 12: to share your reflection, you don't really kind of jump
47:22
Speaker 12: on the bandwagon saying actually it's the white man.
47:24
Speaker 2: Holding you back.
47:25
Speaker 12: And I think one of the things that many immigrants
47:27
Speaker 12: do try and tell a lot of Westerners, particularly in Britain,
47:30
Speaker 12: the US, Australia, is that you should make the most
47:32
Speaker 12: of the opportunities that you have because you could be
47:34
Speaker 12: somewhere else where those opportunities simply don't exist, and they
47:37
Speaker 12: happen to be because of the people that look like you.
47:39
Speaker 12: So actually a lot of the problems that face these
47:41
Speaker 12: communities transcends race, but unfortunately American politics hasn't really progressed
47:46
Speaker 12: that far yet. It's incredible the progressives are actually quite regressive.
47:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a shame, and it also talks down
47:56
Speaker 2: you know, the achievements of people that were like yourself.
47:59
Speaker 2: Is there are constantly in admiration of how far you've
48:02
Speaker 2: come in such a short time. I mean, it's just
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Speaker 2: a stunning But you know, I wish, I wish there
48:09
Speaker 2: were more inspire inspirational people like you and just enterprise here.
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Speaker 2: It's terrific. Thank you so much, indeed for your time.
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Speaker 2: That's it for me. That's it for me. Coming up
48:20
Speaker 2: now is Shrry markson and hang on because she kind
48:23
Speaker 2: of scood for you about yet another media scandal, as
48:27
Speaker 2: if we haven't had enough already in the short space
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Speaker 2: of time. Good Night,