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Oddity · Citizen Frame

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Could you open the door what do you want,
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you're in trouble,
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i saw you come out of the house just now you went to the car to get something
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you left this door open behind you somebody went inside what i saw you go to
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your car and you left the door open. Somebody slipped inside. They're in there now.
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I didn't see anyone. I know that. Your back was turned.
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What are you doing standing outside my house? My husband's going to be back any minute.
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Music.
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Dr. Timmer's works nights.
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Oh, um.
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Are you a patient of Ted's? I heard them in the wall.
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And I came here and I saw someone. Just open the door. I'm trying to help you.
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Hey, welcome back to another episode of C.S. Frame. It's a bonus episode.
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Now, we did mention last podcast. Well, a couple podcasts behind this that we
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weren't going to do anymore horror for a while.
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And we are going to stick by that. But we lied.
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Yeah, we lied. But because we had a delay in getting something out,
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and I just saw recently saw this one I wanted to get one out because I wanted
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people to know about it this is a new this is a new one and it's very Hitchcockian
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kind of story so it is twists and turns so,
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if you don't want to know the twists and turns go fuck yourselves you're gonna
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listen to us anyway because we're gonna spoil them for you stay tuned anyway
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or or go watch it and then come back and listen to us,
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nah or just listen to us first or just listen to us anyway thank you so thank you so,
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Yeah, the movie is a film there in the south of Ireland, outside of Cork, I believe, Cork County.
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And it's written by newcomer Damian McCarthy.
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And he both wrote and directed this one. His first film he wrote and directed called Kavit.
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And it's about like a killer or a possessive doll buddy in this old house.
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It's pretty creepy. You would probably get a kick out of it,
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Trevor. I haven't seen it, but I've heard some decent reports about it.
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Is a doll like a rabbit or a herd or something?
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It's a hare, yeah, which actually has a cameo on this film. Yes.
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But, yeah, it's, I don't know if this is his thing, possessive dolls,
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because we've got a woodman in this one.
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And, but if it works, it works.
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I'm okay with it, because I'll tell you what, so far he's two for two in my
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eyes, and I'll go with it. He's really into self-isolation. Kavit took place in one house.
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This one, yes, you have some flashbacks, fast forwards here and there of some
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external areas, but the main area is going to be this country house.
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It's basically, in many ways, a haunted house story.
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Yeah, what I liked about it, it plays, oh God, and I'm honest, some great stuff.
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All the way from the haunting, to, I would say, probably rope,
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Hitchcock's rope. Yeah.
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Where it's who done it, why they did it, and his spirit's there to completely rest.
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A vengeful spirit, yes, type thing. I think as well there's a lot of other things
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going on here in terms of mythology.
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I would say he's borrowing a bit from Judaism, Jewish mythology,
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you know the whole golem sort of character,
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which is sort of resurrected, which we'll have here as the wooden man,
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and there's also a bit of witchcraft here as well and the whole sort of psychic stuff and even a bit of,
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as we've just discussed in the last podcast a bit of needful things you know,
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with the character who owns the antique store and stuff,
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and you know all of the items in it are cursed, that sort of thing be careful
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what you wish for Type thing.
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Yeah. It's kind of a ground bag of everything. Yes. I just like wood man.
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Yeah. Wood man's just fucking creepy. Yeah.
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Yeah, so we've got Danny, Darcy, Ivan, Bernie, Ted, Odin, and Yada, and the Wooden Man.
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Now, very simple cast.
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Very, very easy to follow. Pretty much follows Danny.
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She has a twin sister named Darcy. Danny is killed in the beginning of this
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film, the first 15 minutes or so.
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And the rest of it is Darcy trying to figure out what happened to her sister.
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And out for revenge herself as well.
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Yeah. And she's a blind clairvoyant. I would say as well, like the previous
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film we just reviewed, The Monkey, the twins are played by the same actor.
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Yeah? Oh, yeah, yeah. The sisters are played.
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Danny and Darcy are played by the same actor. Yeah, well, they're twins.
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Well, yeah. That would make sense, right? And they're never in the same scene because one's dead.
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Yes, obviously. although there is well we'll get to it anyway about Danny so
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the whole opening sequence is one of my favorites I mean it kind of plays in
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like three acts a lot like a stage play.
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And it can in the opening sequence it's so creepy and so well done,
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That you have this woman who is taking consistent pictures for her sister's
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sake of this flat that they're remodeling, her and her husband, Ted.
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And she's by herself while the husband's away working in an asylum.
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And she's fixing a trap door. The great thing about this beginning is the setup.
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And the setup places things that we are going to have to reference again soon.
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It's kind of blatant, but that's okay. The fixing a trap door,
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that will come into play.
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You've got the camera auto clicking anytime a movement happens yeah all these
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little tools that are in place will become an important,
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an important piece of evidence that Darcy or somebody else would need to see or witness and,
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the whole conversation when she's by herself in this quite frankly creepy little
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college by herself I don't know why you'd want to live here but.
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And there's This man knocks on her door and it's, it just, I won't give you
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the gist of it because I don't want to ruin it.
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If you are listening to this podcast, I think you got to listen to it because
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the guy who plays them does a really nice job.
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He's coming off very sincere. He's got a glass eye, which can kind of throw people off.
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And you know, it's also kind of a, a little misdirect because you could trust the guy with the glass.
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Exactly. Yes. He looks creepy.
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No offense to people with glass eyes, obviously, but that's the setup.
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Wow. Wow, what about poor people with glass eyes, make fun of Columbo?
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Make fun of Peter Columbo? I love Columbo, yeah, just one more thing.
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But yes, it's obviously set up here to make him look as though he may be the culprit.
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And whenever he's sort of trying to get into this woman's house,
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although he's trying to help her ultimately, the audience don't know that at
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this point, and neither does she.
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Yeah, so she's having this conversation with him. He's trying to tell her,
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you need to get out of the house, somebody's in there. and she wants to believe
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him, but she's obviously...
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She can't her nerves are saying i can't do
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this he's vulnerable it's very disturbing scene and
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what i love about it this whole opening sequence plays
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like when you're a kid you're raised on these old urban legends there's a film
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i love in the 70s called when a stranger called yeah it's a classic and yep
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and the whole thing's about why haven't you checked the children and it's so
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creepy so creepy oh my god the killer's in the house blah blah blah you gotta
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gotta check it It's really good.
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But it reminded me of all those classic tales.
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You got them even in Tales from the Crypt and the Vault of Terror did them all.
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And that's why this whole opening sequence plays in the first 13 minutes because
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she decides she's not going to open the door.
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Although we don't find that out until later on that she doesn't open the door. Yes.
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What happens is the, yeah, well, yes. But that's my point. It's the cutaway. Yes.
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She. Yeah. it's a really solid
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12 minutes it sucks you
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in now you want to know what has happened
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to daddy yeah and i would say as well right
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from the off i mean even even the setting of
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the house which appears to be some old converted mill
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or monastery or something just this whole atmosphere
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of isolation and there's
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like and this dread that comes along with it is very
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well done and you know although this is
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set in modern times the feel
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of this film feels like it's set in the 1950s or
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something despite even with the asylum more isolation just that grim sort of
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it just feels so old in terms of i mean whereas if you didn't see the mobile
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phones and the early scenes and the digital camera you'd be sort of thinking
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to yourself is this set in the 1950s and when is this set?
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Because there is that sort of just a dark and foreboding atmosphere that works very well.
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Yeah, no, it's all about setting, especially if you're using pretty much one
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location for the entire it's an old farmhouse.
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It's an old, uh, so they're, and yeah, I don't get why they move.
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It's just too Well, we'll find out maybe, well, maybe the doctor,
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I mean, we'll find out more about him as he plot progresses.
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Yeah, but he never tells you. I always wonder why they picked that place. Yeah.
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But it is the reason why he has to. Yes. Nothing. We'll get to it.
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But I do like the fact that we cut to the asylum real quick and we see a gentleman
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and his head is, well, we don't see a gentleman, but we see his head's all smashed in. Yes.
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And we zoom in and there's a glass eye in the middle of the goo. So we know this is Olin.
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Yes. So, we already know that Olin, who was trying to help her in the last scene, is dead, and...
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Why is he dead? Yeah. Yeah. So now we've got Darcy's death, Danny's death,
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and now we got to focus on Allman's death.
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These are all key elements to what's about to be played here. It's a chess game.
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Yeah. Always going to be a chess game. And in fact, they're actually playing
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chess later on in a scene.
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Yep. There's another movie that I compare it to. No, I'm probably dating myself
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and no one's ever seen it.
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Actually, two films, both starring Michael Caine, Sleuth. Yes. And Death Trap.
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Yeah. and I've seen yeah again I believe stage plays originally so yeah,
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so if you're into those kind of things now the first yeah the first half pretty much straight,
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Hitchcockian De Palma-esque kind of thriller but then it turns the great thing
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about Oddity is that you never know what you're going to get and then it does
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go hard that here is a thing I'm going to bring up I do have to admit But as soon as the doctor,
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we find out that the doctor has a new woman after,
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not long after his wife's death,
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straight away, I did catch it. Hear me.
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He's fucking behind it. You know? Oh, yeah. But, you know, I don't think it's really a whodunit.
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No, it's not a whodunit. Not an Agatha Christie whodunit or a Columbo whodunit.
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It's how it was done. Yes. And how they're going to get their cluppets.
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But straight away, as soon as I found out. It's almost like a Columbo.
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In the Columbo, you already know who did it.
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You just got to figure out how Columbo is going to figure it out. Yes.
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Yeah, because pretty much once you find out that the doctor has a new woman
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almost straight away, it's just like, yeah, he did it. You know?
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Yeah. And you knew right away, Darcy...
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She's a blind clairvoyant. You know, her being blind, any time,
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they use your senses more. They're other senses.
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Yeah. To adapt. So she's not stupid. She knows exactly what's fucking going on.
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Well, she also does the thing where she gets a hold of the stuff from,
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you know, the murder scene.
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And she does her whole feeling them and sort of sensing what happened.
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So yes, she knows what happened.
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She seems... I do think it's funny that the doctor, Ted, played by Ted,
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the husband, who's a fucking dumbass, by the way.
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Why would you give your clairvoyant sister-in-law the eye of the man who supposedly killed your sister?
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Why would you give her any type of evidence, just in case he's clairvoyant?
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Because he doesn't believe, he's a doctor.
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He's a man of science. He even states it. He's a man of science,
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and he states it several times, how all of this.
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Superstitious nonsense is indeed nonsense and he's
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a man of logic and science and he will in no
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way in the world buy into the supernatural
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so that's why so he felt that he had basically nothing to worry about in in
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that case and in fact that's his character arc in many ways where he goes from
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being a complete non-believer to basically being a murderous molder by the end of it you know,
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Yeah, he gets his comeuppance and more ways than one.
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Yeah, I mean, that comeuppance is the best. Again, more plants you ever see,
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like I mentioned, the trap door.
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She tells a story of the bellhop. Yes. And this bell was haunted.
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All she's doing is telling him a story of her trinkets. All of her trinkets
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have a story. They have a curse to them.
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Leetful things, yeah. I would love to visit this shop. But anyways.
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So any time you ring this bell, that bellhop will come and kill you. Yeah.
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Yeah. And so the ghost, yeah. So he sees, he's laughing, really,
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severing the bell, you know, playing with her and stuff like that,
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being, you know, kind of a condescending prick.
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Yeah. And then that story's left.
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We don't, we don't care about it. I mean, we move on.
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But this is where she goes into that, she goes into that back room after he
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leaves and she goes to that back room. You see the case where the wooden man is going to be.
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And there's this wall. And if you see this wall, they're toys.
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And that's where you see the could be rabbit or hair, the doll. You even see the monkey.
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It looks like the monkey shines, but it's the cymbals, not the drums.
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Yes. It's a different monkey, obviously.
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Yeah. So it's a little homage to some of the classics he's probably seen growing up. So...
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That whole sequence, again, is just pretty much an introduction that Ted's a twat. Yes.
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And now Darcy's had enough, and she's going to figure out what's going on.
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So she just invites herself over at this point. And this is where we meet Yana, the dipshit.
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Well, she's not even... Now... She's quite sort of unlikable as well.
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So she is. And very sort of past remarkable. And, you know, yeah.
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She's set up well. And actually acted quite well by the actress,
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who looks very like Kate Winslet, a young Kate Winslet.
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Hello you there you know what shut up
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of all your fucking
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comparisons which are
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terrible by the way literally fucking terrible
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ray charles can pick better comparisons i
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have a say i have that i said she looked like kate wind so
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i've been proof right once once
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yeah oh well you know
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thank you thank you so you know i agree
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that tom skirt looks like tom atkins and yeah go fuck
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yourself and catherine hicks looks like amanda weiss jesus
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christ yeah you're cool it's not amanda weiss it is from nightmare on street
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one is that not her name i can't remember well listen i'm giving you i'm giving
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you a pass that is like i always think the light has to has to shine on a dog's ass someday.
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You should have a dog's ass. Yeah, there you go. There you go.
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You're welcome. That's pretty nice of me. You're a papoon's arse.
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So, I love when Yana's playing with the camera.
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Yeah. And she's like, look, I found your eyes camera. Well, it's been a year.
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I mean, you're just playing with that now. I never get that.
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You figured she would have saw some of these photos a long time ago.
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So I wasn't really I wasn't sure of the move-in date here. Yeah.
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Well, the fact that Yana is just quite content to move in with her lover,
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who's been her lover, so that we'll find out since obviously before Danny died, was murdered.
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But the fact that she just casually moves into a dead woman's house,
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takes her place, and is just fucking about with her camera, just makes her even more unlikable.
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You know, just in this sort of blasé sort of manner, you know,
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as if, you know, it's water off a duck's back.
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She's pretty unlikable. They both are, actually.
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Yeah, but that's what I kind of like about what happens to Yana. Yes.
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Which is nothing. Well, she sort of gets off the hook. So she does, by the end of it.
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Well, no, that's what I liked about it, because Danny, the woman who died,
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saves her life. I know that, yeah.
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Yeah. She pretty much tells her to get out. Yeah.
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But so Darcy shows up with the trunk with the wooden man. This fucking thing's
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awesome. I want one of these.
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And she starts telling the story about how a witch gave her parents something
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made out of wood for their fifth anniversary.
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Because wood, fifth anniversary is, well, fifth anniversary for a wedding is
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wood. Yeah. Hence, the wooden man.
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Kind of an odd choice to give somebody, but- That's witches for you.
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You know? Those damn witches.
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Wood, trees. You probably got a hard-on right there. I got word.
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Yeah, I bet you did, you fucking sick fuck. And you're probably going,
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God, I hope there's naked old people in this. So excited.
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No naked old people, unfortunately. You know?
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Yeah. But you can't have it all. You know?
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So the whole time, when she takes- the one man's in the box and they're just
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looking down in the box. We don't really know what's in there as of yet.
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You know, we put the piece together pretty quick and Yana is just walking around doing a thing.
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And then Yana comes out and the one man is seeing the table.
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He's like, who, who, who put them there?
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And Darcy's just like, I don't know. So playing with her. Yeah.
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Oh yeah, totally. I mean, she's totally playing with her.
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The great thing about the wood man, they're saying so fucking creepy.
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It's the movement. she doesn't make that are scary because when he gets to point
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A to point B, oh sorry, point A to point C there's no B. We don't see it.
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Yes. Yeah, you think that's a cheat, but it works. Well, there's one scene where
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Yana looks down and he's sitting in one position and then when she looks again,
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she drops her phone and then looks again and he's like looking up at her but
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you don't see the in-between, like you say, the B point.
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Yeah. And that's what works and that's why she drops her phone,
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scares the fuck out of her.
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Yes. A concern of mine was that when wooden
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man was obviously going to come to life that it
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would become a bit cheesy and a
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bit sort of b-movie-esque which totally
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which is fine in and of itself but it totally would have ruined the tone and
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atmosphere of this film but they do pull it off just about i think and it's
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i would have liked to have seen less of them when he comes comes alive but what
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we do get is is very well done and they do pull it off I think.
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The dialogue between Yana and.
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And Darcy's quite good. It's a very intense scene in terms of- There's a scene
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where she goes, Yana makes a comment, I wouldn't have left these.
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They all think Olin killed.
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That's why the case is closed. Yes. And Darcy knows that's not true.
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So Yana makes a comment, I would never let him in. That's a stupid thing to do.
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Yeah. And she goes, let me ask you something, Yana. Am I stupid? No, you're not stupid.
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Well, my sister- We were identical? My sister looked just like me. She's my twin.
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Does she look stupid? no and then
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she says all they didn't do this it's a it's a very well i
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mean overall the acting's brilliant but this scene in particular is
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very well done and it's a very tense back and forward so it is and at this point
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you the audience know without it being explicitly stated that darcy has all
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the cards here or is basically in control of the chess game and she is basically
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she knows exactly what's happened.
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Yeah. Even though we'll find out that she has made a mistake earlier by killing Olin.
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She was the one who killed Olin. Yeah, I know.
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She admits that. Yes. And she goes, I will pay for that. And she knows she's
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going to die. She does pay for it. Yeah.
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So this is where, when she tells her, when they have these battle the witch,
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I guess she can say, when she's pretty much dominating that cat and mouse really,
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We get a flashback, and this scene is just heartbreaking and terrifying at the same time.
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We see this poor woman is somebody in this house, and she's in this tent.
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I don't know why she isolates herself in the tent.
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No, I think with the tent, it's because they were still moving into the house,
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so they hadn't proper beds yet.
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So they had this tent set up in the house to sleep in, you know,
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with sleeping bags and stuff.
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No, but do you hear what I said? Yes. go
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ahead why would you pick to go into a little tent when
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you got a whole house there because i don't think they had
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beds in it yet and it was like my god oh my god she dude listen genius okay
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let's hold on i'll give you time that's where she was sleeping she was sleeping
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in the tent let me finish please she's not going to bed but she's hiding away
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so why would you pick a little tent.
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With one exit and one entrance, would you have a whole house you can kind of
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scope around and kind of get the feel of and see if there's someone else in the house?
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Why would you put yourself in such an isolated spot?
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If you say she wants to go to fucking bed, I swear to God.
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No, no, not because she wants to go to bed, but I would actually go even further
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and say, if this situation was happening to most people in the real world,
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they would actually run out the back door or try and get some help in some way,
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not go into a cupboard or into a tent or any of those places.
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I think the problem is she was vulnerable. She was scared that if she went outside,
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Olin would be waiting for her.
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If she stayed inside, at least she has the whole field to manage.
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But you don't go into a fucking tent.
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But anyways, she does go into a tent, and then she hears something,
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and then she unzips the tent. It's so cool. And then the white mask just pops up.
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And we don't see anything, but it's very well done,
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where he walks into the tent with his weapon of choice, a hammer,
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I think it is, and he walks, he goes into the tent and it cuts to,
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he's all bloodied, we see the innards of the tent bloodied, but we don't see her,
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and that's her death, that's how we see it.
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It is extremely, the violence is very minimal here.
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It's more about atmosphere and dread than it is anything else. It's very well handled.
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We see the before and then And the aftermath, it's brilliant and it's very,
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very creepy, especially his get up, which is basically a boiler suit and this
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extremely creepy, like sort of porcelain or stone mask.
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And then it's just very well done where we know what's going to happen,
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but then it cuts away and we'll see the aftermath.
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Yeah, and this is where we find out Ivan. We meet Ivan, who's an orderly.
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He's the one who pretty much, we figure out right away.
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Yes, he does. We figure out, at this point, we know Ivan and Ted are the guilty
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parties. Yes, Ivan's done it on behalf of Ted.
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Yeah, and we find out where all it was picked on by Ivan and the way he treated him.
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And he overhears the conversation because his room is right next to Ted's office.
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So he can hear Ivan planning the, and Ted planning her death.
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And he makes the comment why not why not just fucking leave her and he's right
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why not he goes I have two months all my money is invested in this house I have no choice.
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Yeah she'll get it all yeah at that point so he has no choice yeah,
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now I do like the voodoo aspect it was a witch that gave the one man to her family,
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yes and the one man has these holes in his head
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like bowling ball yes and each one
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has something one would be a picture of of the
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two girls when they're young a vial of blood a
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lock of her a tooth yes stuff like
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that something relating to what's about to happen
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it's kind of like a voodoo or almost like a voodoo doll yeah
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it's very which well it's like a giant voodoo doll but also with
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the the witchcraft element of you know
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like personal possessions or like a lock of her of people who you're looking
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to to avenge or get revenge on so yeah like I say he's sort of the director
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and writer he's sort of you know sort of pinching bits of different sort of
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mythologies and stuff but it works here.
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The scene where Danny is going to warn Yana.
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Yeah. Which I liked because it gives the character a lot more weight,
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how vulnerable and kind this woman was that was taken so abruptly and so cruelly.
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Yes. She won't even let Yana take
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the hit, even though she's the one who technically broke up the marriage.
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Which is basically a good ghost as opposed to a vengeful spirit. A good ghost.
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Yeah. She's Casper. That wood man. Now when the wood man comes.
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But anyways, so we've got, Yeah, so she's going through the camera,
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and she plays this video.
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And the video is of Danny and Ted in the tent, and they're talking.
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And she watches the same video again. I was like, why are they showing this
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again? But this time, Ted turns into the dead corpse of Danny.
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And so she panics. Then you see Danny in the corner of her room.
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She runs out of the bedroom.
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Things are starting to pick up a little bit. She hears some banging at the crate
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where the woodman was placed.
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She opens up the crate. There are her car keys. She's able to go.
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She's able to get out of there. She's been seeing it. That whole thing was planned by Danny.
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Yes. So, and there's a great shot. And it's almost, it reminded me of the others. Very, uh.
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Uh, Victorian maybe I want to use. Very, uh, anyways.
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It is done when she runs out and the whole place is dark. It's fucking like
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two o'clock in the morning, I say.
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Everything's black. And you just see the, the, the border of the,
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of the door into the house.
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And that's all black inside. and all of a sudden she comes to light the ghost
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of Danny and she's got the white eyes and the pale face it's shadowy, it's terrifying,
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it's so well done, it's so creepy also the scene in the bedroom did remind me
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of a similar very effective scene in Hereditary you know in the bedroom with
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Tony Collette, I know you didn't like the ending Hereditary,
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I'm not talking about the ending but it also did remind me of that and it works
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very well here too Thank you.
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I can't remember Heroditary that much. I haven't seen it since I saw it.
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Yeah. Yeah, a lot of Heroditary's positives were a lot of good jump scares.
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Well, that's what I was going to say. You know, you get a lot of people,
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myself included, who have criticized jump scares, but when done right,
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and where they actually forward the plot and aren't just cheap and thrown in for the sake of it.
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As in the case here, they actually work very well.
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Like we'll get here with other things. It's not like a cat coming through a
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window. It's not cheap. No.
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No. Yeah. Exactly. There's a point to them here, and they work.
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So, Ted comes back. Yep. He finds out Jan is gone.
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So now it's pretty much him and Darcy.
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And Darcy... Ivan, you mean not Ted?
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Ted sends Ivan? No. No. Dude, don't interrupt me.
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I can fucking interrupt you if I want to. You fucking idiot. You fucking idiot.
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If you let me finish as I'm hosting, you would let you know Ivan does come into
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play, but can I finish why he comes into play?
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For the love of Jesus, our Lord, please, can I finish this? Go ahead. Continue.
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Because when Ivan sees her through the trap door falling on the ground,
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who do you think sets that trap up?
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The trap that was done by the good ghost. So it was. Oh, my God.
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Oh, my God. You're clueless. Oh, no. Sorry. That's done by Ted.
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Sorry. That's done by Ted. Yes. Oh, Barry. Sorry. Sorry. He sees the light. Sorry.
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Sorry. I take that back.
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I will admit when I'm wrong. I've only seen this film once just yesterday before recording this.
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Yes, Ted sets that up with the trap. So he does. Yes, he does.
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So what Ted does, like I said in the beginning, he's got that floor. Yeah.
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Okay, you're still jumping in. If there's anything else you want to not add,
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that's wrong. Go ahead. Bastard.
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Chill out. So Ted...
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So don't fucking, Jesus Christ. I'm waiting for you to go, hey,
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this is when Spider-Man shows up, isn't it?
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Bell and Ted's Excellent Adventure. Oh, fucking hell.
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Oh, my God. I got a cold and now him. I've got an ear infection.
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What do you think? So Darcy, so Darcy is on the, you know, near the,
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she's on the top floor now.
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Yeah. And she's pretty much telling him, which I don't know why you would do
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it, but she thinks she's holding all the cards.
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She thinks she has him at this point but ted's quite convincing i'll give him
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that but he tells darcy i didn't do this so this is what i'm going to do i'm
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going to leave my phone right over here,
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pick up this phone when i call i'm going down to the police precinct i'm gonna
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have a detective give you a call on this phone you need to pick up the phone
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please don't do this and it's the one time where Darcy is a little vulnerable.
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Where she's like... Let your guard down? Jesus.
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Do I? Yeah. She lets your guard down. Just that one second. So he leaves.
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When time passes, the phone rings. But what she doesn't realize is Ted has lifted
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the trap door open and when she walks to get the phone, she falls through. Return.
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Terrible. I felt so sorry for her. Well, even more so whenever Ivan does arrive,
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and she's laying there broken and he's like taunting her. I mean, he's a psychopath.
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And it also turns out, which is actually makes a lot of sense too,
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that Ted actually plucked him.
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He was a former patient, a psychopathic patient at the asylum.
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But yes, whenever he comes and finds her laying there, it's pretty rough to
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watch. Her life's ebbing away from her.
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When they had that conversation, Ted and Darcy. Yes. That's not bad,
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pretty much the closing arguments.
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She goes, and she's great. She's very good in this.
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All she says to him is, all you had to do is say, I'm sorry.
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I don't love you anymore.
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And I met somebody else. Yeah. And she would have walked away.
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There would have been tears, but she would have moved on.
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But instead, you killed her. It's a great little line where it sums up that
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this guy's just an evil prick.
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Yeah. Basically, he's a sociopath, whereas Ivan's a psychopath.
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Yeah. And it actually makes a lot of sense because, you know,
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a lot of psychopaths and sociopaths are actually medical professionals,
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apparently, according to, you know, statistics.
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You know, because it's a whole plain God thing, you know, which that profession
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apparently seems to invite. Yeah.
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So when Ivan shows up to clean up the mess, pretty much what Ted was telling
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Ivan to go clean up the mess, he shows up and there she is on the floor and
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she's pretty much dead, but she's still, she's still hanging on there.
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And her last thing is we are both connected. We are both connected.
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She gets the wood man to come up and do her, you know, do what needs to be done with Ivan.
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Yes. And this whole sequence of him being chased by a wood man,
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you figure it'd be like very funny because he's slow.
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But the way they manipulate him, they lock all the doors. So if he goes upstairs
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and tries to go to the back door, he can't.
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No matter what, he's going to have to face the woodman. And the woodman's just
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taking his time, coming up the stairs. And you can hear the creepiness.
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Like when he goes down the stairs, and then you see the woodman,
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he's no longer in the table, and his head moves down the stairs,
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and there's a woodman looking up from down the stairs. It's so creepy.
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And then you hear him walking up the stairs as he's walking the other's way.
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And the whole thing is just so effective.
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Until, obviously, he has to jump and he gets a compound fracture.
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Well, it goes back to the whole slow-moving zombies and how Frankenstein's monster,
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how they always catch up with them in the end.
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But here, I wasn't worried of mine that it was going to, with the wood man coming
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alive, it was going to be cheesy and ruin the atmosphere and tone of this film.
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But they pull it off and you just, maybe a little too much you see of the wood
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man whenever he's alive.
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I would have liked to have seen less, but they do, It does work, and it's very sinister.
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And what's great about it, I just caught this in my fourth viewing. I've seen it.
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I don't know why I didn't catch it. The wood man is going to crush his head,
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but the reason he doesn't finish the job is because Darcy dies.
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Yeah. I didn't catch that because they were both connected. And once he died,
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he couldn't finish his job.
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So he's pretty much just laying there holding Ivan's head.
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And that's why Ivan is still alive in the hospital, where Ted obviously is going
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to. Well, what Darcy's saying, we're both connected, we're both connected,
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that has a double meaning to her sister, who was murdered.
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But also, as we find out with the woodman, it's a double meaning.
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What is it? Sorry, what? What Darcy says, we're both connected,
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that has a double meaning.
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It could mean that we're both connected, as in her and Danny,
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but also her and the woodman.
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Oh, yeah, yeah. But she was always connected with Danny, really.
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Yes, yes. Well, she says it earlier on to Yana, but it takes on a different
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context later on whenever she's laying down.
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And you think maybe she's talking about Danny still, but Danny's actually a
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good ghost, and she's not looking a good ghost.
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She's looking badass woodman, who she's also connected to. Yeah,
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that's why she brings the woodman.
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Yeah. Because otherwise the ghost would just take all the killing.
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Yeah. That's the problem.
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But because she's a good soul and a good spirit, And technically, so is Darcy.
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Somebody has to do a job, and that's what the woodman's for.
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He's the hitman. Yeah, yeah. Just like Ivan's also the hitman for Ted.
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Yeah. I do love, we know Ivan gets his clump, and we won't go into details of
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it, but the ending's the best.
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Yeah. It is so fun. Ted goes in. There's a pack is waiting for him at the door.
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Everybody's dead. He's moved on. He's like, fine. Yana wants nothing to do with him.
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He's moved on. And he gets his little package. He opens up the little package
36:20
and it's the bellboy bell. Yes.
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And he, because he's such an arrogant prick. And like you said,
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he's a doctor of science first.
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Yeah. He rings the bell and it's like a couple, a few minutes long. He's looking around.
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We're all like, a couple of, a couple of weaknesses and cricks. Yeah.
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Yeah. The little things you hear, like you would hear in the house,
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which get the shit out of you at this point, but he's taking it all,
36:43
you know, he's, he's, he's doesn't, doesn't bother him at all.
36:47
And at the end, he looks around, he chuckles, and then we quickly cut to the
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right side of him, and the dead bellboy is like, yeah, yeah.
36:58
So creepy. Yeah, I do love that he is hesitant about, you know,
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before he hits the bell, and he sort of, you know, and then he is a bit nervous,
37:04
but then he laughs. He says, oh, this is nonsense, I'm a doctor.
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He doesn't say it explicitly, but that's what he's laughing, you know.
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That's what basically he's saying, you know, that this is all nonsense,
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but then you see the bellboy. Yeah.
37:16
What a wonderful ending. And it's sad that Darcy had to meet her ends.
37:26
But at the end, the white people got it. She said she would pay for it anyway,
37:28
and she had to pay for it for killing Olin.
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The only real, true, innocent characters here are, well, the wife, you know, and also Olin.
37:40
And Olin didn't kill anybody. Exactly.
37:43
The only reason he's in the hospital is because I mean it's more depressing
37:46
he killed his mother because she used to beat the shit out of him and he finally
37:51
lost it apparently there's a short film,
37:54
played by the same actor where you find out how Olin lost his eye but it was
37:58
filmed years ago so apparently this guy's short films and his feature film here
38:02
are all connected set in the same universe so apparently there is a short film
38:07
out there where you find out about that,
38:09
I just bought the blu-ray it hasn't come yet so I might actually see if that's
38:12
on there yeah it could very well be it might even be on YouTube It'd be interesting.
38:17
Yeah, guys, this is a wonderful film. Absolutely wonderful. It's very good.
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Everyone needs to see it.
38:22
It goes back to the classic movies like The Haunting, all the way to Hitchcock,
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as we mentioned, Rear Window and Rope and all these films.
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And it's got its own elements of horror to it. Even the little goth horrors
38:33
in there, Victorian horror, the others.
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It's just a nice blend of everything with its own touch, like it should be done.
38:42
Great atmosphere in acting as well. So it also, it also, it also reminded me
38:46
of a little film like Ty West did called The Innkeepers. Yeah.
38:52
That is a very familiar feel to it. If you like The Innkeepers,
38:54
you really enjoy this film. You need to check it out. And I can't wait to see what this guy does next.
38:59
It's very, very good with a great tone and atmosphere.
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And yeah, very well handled. Really impressive.
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There you go, guys. The Oddity, nice pleasant surprise for you horror fans out there. Go check it out.
39:13
We're going to retire from horror for a while. I promise. This is it. This is it.
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We're doing Stephen King's It next? No, no, no. We're doing Gladiator 1 and
39:23
2. We're going to do a couple westerns.
39:27
And sad note, obviously the great, great, great, great, great Gene Hackman has passed away.
39:33
And we're going to definitely be tackling some of his best works.
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Preferably, probably looking at the Poseidon Adventure, French Connection,
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maybe Unforgiven, Hoosiers, Crimson Tide. I mean, I could keep going.
39:46
I mean. Yep. Guys. The Quicken the Dead, he's in as well.
39:50
Yeah. Anything we touch, we can, yeah, that's right. He was. Superman.
39:54
So, Superman. Ah, that's right. Lex Luthor. The best Lex Luthor for me. On screen anyway.
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Always will be. Yep. But yeah, we'll post more soon.
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We're going to wrap this one up. Go see the oddity. It's worth it.
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Take care of yourselves.
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Music.