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Middle East advisor to the United States for more than two decades, Gabe Lajeunesse · Aired Out

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  Speaker 2: Sitting next to me on the curvy couch is this
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  Speaker 2: guy is in? And I refer to you, Gabe, as
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  Speaker 2: the real deal because I feel that way. Man. You
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  Speaker 2: know what you're talking about with a lot of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Host and let's give you a shameless plug here of
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  Speaker 2: the Abundance Agenda. That's your podcast. Tell me about it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I launched the Abundance Agenda. You know, if
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  Speaker 3: you think of we've had a lot of conversations about affordability,
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  Speaker 3: and the Abundance Agenda is based on an idea, you know,
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  Speaker 3: kind of came out of some work by the Vermont
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  Speaker 3: Futures Project. There's a great book that's been published by
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  Speaker 3: as Ara Client on abundance. You know, the idea is
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  Speaker 3: we're competing between ideas of scarcity, which is like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: let's tighten our bel let's like cut spending. Let's we
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  Speaker 3: just can't afford stuff anymore. But the challenge with that is,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the more you cut, the more we're in
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  Speaker 3: a downward spiral.
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  Speaker 4: Like we need to make investments.
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  Speaker 3: So the abundance agenda is about where can we make
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  Speaker 3: smart investments in our community to try to make something
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  Speaker 3: awesome for the next generation.
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  Speaker 2: RIGHTA.
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  Speaker 3: We got to we got to turn something over that
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  Speaker 3: was better than we were handed.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what it's all about.
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  Speaker 2: Fertilizer on the plants, man, We need to we need
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  Speaker 2: more growth and sustainability here in front of for sure.
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  Speaker 2: And you and I've chatted about this a little bit
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  Speaker 2: on the air, and I look forward to having you
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  Speaker 2: back and taking a deeper dive on it because here
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  Speaker 2: we go, I mean, springtime's right in front of us,
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  Speaker 2: and we're breaking ground on some really exciting new projects.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, there's a lot of really good stuff going on. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'll tell you, Barry has a lot going on, a
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  Speaker 3: lot going on. But you know, all of our communities
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  Speaker 3: they're working hard. People are working hard, They're rolling their
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  Speaker 3: sleeves up. There's some exciting stuff going on. I'm on
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  Speaker 3: pilliure sure. I mean a lot of the communities are
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  Speaker 3: trying to figure out how can we tackle the housing
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  Speaker 3: crisis right? How do we tackle affordability? How do we
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  Speaker 3: create an environment where people can afford to live and
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  Speaker 3: want to be?
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  Speaker 2: Right? So and literally I could talk with you about
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  Speaker 2: this all day. I could sit down and go four
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  Speaker 2: or five straight hours with you about this. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: look what they're doing over in Berlin with the with
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  Speaker 2: the the mini homes over there. I mean that was
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  Speaker 2: so cool. That's I love that stuff adyus. That are
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  Speaker 2: pretty good things.
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  Speaker 3: And a lot of good people out there are trying
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  Speaker 3: to make a difference.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, good stuff, man, And so let's do this again,
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  Speaker 2: yeah soon doing not listen? I have First of all,
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  Speaker 2: you are your local guy. Where'd you go to high school?
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  Speaker 4: I grew up night.
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  Speaker 3: Here, No, I grew up in New Hampshire, all right,
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  Speaker 3: I we we landed in Vermont. It's been fourteen years.
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  Speaker 3: All right, I'm sure you want to talk about my
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  Speaker 3: background a little bit. But I was an Air Force
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  Speaker 3: officer and my last post was over at Norwich Teaching RTC.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: So I landed there and then launched a financial advisory
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  Speaker 3: practice and you know, I've been here ever since.
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  Speaker 5: So we live in a Montpelier Air Force. Air Force Yeah, wow,
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  Speaker 5: thank you for your service. You you have spent a
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  Speaker 5: great amount of time in the Middle East. Tell us
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  Speaker 5: about what that is. We're talking about a couple of
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  Speaker 5: decades in the Middle East.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean I've spent I spent you know, outside
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  Speaker 3: of my first two years, probably the rest of my
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  Speaker 3: career was focused on the Middle East. There's a lot
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  Speaker 3: of touch points, you know, like think about it, like
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  Speaker 3: just think of where the world was, you know. I
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  Speaker 3: got commissioned in ninety four, my first post overseas was
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  Speaker 3: in ninety six in Turkey, and then pretty quickly after
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  Speaker 3: that we ended up nine to eleven. Just think of
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  Speaker 3: everything that happened after that, right. I retired in twenty fifteen,
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, everything was touched by the Middle East. I
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  Speaker 3: got a master's in Middle Eastern studies, and yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: probably have like about six years of living overseas and
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  Speaker 3: then you know the rest of my career was you know,
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  Speaker 3: I did a bunch of staff work at the Pentagon
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  Speaker 3: on the Middle East. I mean, you know I've done
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  Speaker 3: a lot of Middle East stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just say that six years.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it was five ish.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I had well, so I had a year
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  Speaker 3: on the Yeah, it's it's complicated, but yes, I was
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  Speaker 3: on the Joint staff for three years. I was actually
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  Speaker 3: the Iranian desk officer for part of that, working over
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  Speaker 3: at the White House and all that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So you were you were literally briefing the White House.
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  Speaker 3: So the way that works, right, Like I was just
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  Speaker 3: at that time, I was a major. Yeah, there's you
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  Speaker 3: got staff officers that are like supposed to be expert
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  Speaker 3: in a lane. Right, So I was there on desk officer,
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  Speaker 3: and so I would meet with other sort of mid
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  Speaker 3: level people, Like if we went over to the White
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  Speaker 3: House situation room, We're meet with other mid level people.
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  Speaker 3: But I would brief the chairman and the vice chairman
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  Speaker 3: when they would go over to brief the president, right,
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  Speaker 3: so we'd get them ready for the bigger meetings, and
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  Speaker 3: we'd attend sort of they call them working groups. We'd
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  Speaker 3: be in the working groups sort of hashing out, you know,
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  Speaker 3: making the sausage right. And then and then we'd provide
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  Speaker 3: our bosses with what they needed to inform the president.
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  Speaker 2: Holy moly, that's a lot. That's that's crazy impressive. Man.
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  Speaker 4: I prayed every day.
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  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, Like, I think everybody that was
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  Speaker 3: there just felt like we have the whole you know,
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  Speaker 3: we got the whole country in our hands. We've got
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  Speaker 3: all of our service members in our hands.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: I was there, you know, like most of the folks,
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  Speaker 3: they were coming out of Iraq. It was a pretty
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  Speaker 3: tough time in Iraq. I started on the Iraq desk.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of folks had seen a lot of friends die.
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  Speaker 3: These are the people that I was working with, rubb
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  Speaker 3: and shoulders with every day. People would just come out
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  Speaker 3: of command in really tough, tough places, and so yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know that I was alone and
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  Speaker 3: praying every day. I felt like, boy, we really need
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  Speaker 3: to do good for our people, Like how do we
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  Speaker 3: make the best decisions?
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  Speaker 4: And really complicated situations.
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  Speaker 2: So what was going through your mind a couple of
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  Speaker 2: weekends ago? What do we into the third week? I
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  Speaker 2: think now of the war and I ran what was
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  Speaker 2: going through your mind on that? I think it was
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  Speaker 2: a Saturday, maybe an early Sunday morning when you learned,
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  Speaker 2: and maybe you learned like so many others who just
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  Speaker 2: turned on their phones and saw all these World War
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  Speaker 2: three memes that were everywhere that just saturated social media.
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  Speaker 2: But what was going through your mind when you heard
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  Speaker 2: that we were pam and Iran and took out Kamyani.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was not surprised. I mean, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: was more surprised in January. I mean, you know, we
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  Speaker 3: had probably thirty some thousand Iranians killed and the protests there.
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  Speaker 3: I was more surprised at how little coverage that was
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  Speaker 3: getting in the press, right, Like that was sort of astounding.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you could get it.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, the best reporting on it were being done by
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  Speaker 3: Iranian expats on social media if you wanted to know
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  Speaker 3: it was actually happening. They were in communication with their
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  Speaker 3: families in Iran and they were putting out the best
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  Speaker 3: and it's like, what's the conspiracy here that the Western media,
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  Speaker 3: frankly of the world media didn't want to tell that story.
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  Speaker 4: So you know, you were watching it and there's a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Of people having again, and if you're in sort of
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  Speaker 3: national security, if you follow those feeds and stuff, there
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  Speaker 3: were a lot of people.
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  Speaker 4: Talking about it.
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  Speaker 3: There was a clear build up of forces, you know,
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  Speaker 3: because of the stuff that happened in Venezuela. We clearly
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  Speaker 3: were not positioned well enough to address that when it happened.
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  Speaker 4: And so, yeah, I was not surprised. I think we're all.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, I had thought it was going to happen
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  Speaker 3: several days earlier. But no, I'm not surprised at all.
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  Speaker 2: How long do you think this Operation Epic Fury is
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  Speaker 2: going to last? I mean, initially, within the days of
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  Speaker 2: the beginning of the bombing, President Trump was saying a
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  Speaker 2: couple of weeks, four weeks, A lot of people were
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  Speaker 2: saying wishful thinking. I mean, here we are into the
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  Speaker 2: third week, and it looks like this isn't going to
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  Speaker 2: be even slowing down anytime soon. I mean, we're ramping up.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think about that?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm somewhat concerned.
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  Speaker 3: I mean I read a you don't know, like there's
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  Speaker 3: all kinds of leaks, right, who's got the real info? U?
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  Speaker 3: There is an article on the Wall Street Journal over
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  Speaker 3: the weekend that sort of implied that Trump didn't realize
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  Speaker 3: that the straits of horror moves might get jammed up,
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  Speaker 3: Like are.
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  Speaker 4: You kidding me?
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  Speaker 3: Everybody who follows the Middle East knows that's Iran's plan.
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  Speaker 3: If you threaten us, We're going to jam up the
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  Speaker 3: oil like that's been their game plan.
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  Speaker 2: Forever, so, which is twenty percent of the oil distribution
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  Speaker 2: in the world.
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  Speaker 3: It's just it's like, it's that accurate that his advisors
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  Speaker 3: never I mean, I just don't know, right, but I
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  Speaker 3: would say this, like, no, this is you know, when
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  Speaker 3: you when you look at there's been some good reporting
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  Speaker 3: on how Iran pivoted after you know, the attacks last
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  Speaker 3: year on the nuclear facilities, right that they recognize that
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  Speaker 3: they're they were incapable of really defending themselves against Israeli
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  Speaker 3: an American air power, and so they gave directions to
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  Speaker 3: the IRGC, who are sort of their paramilitary they're the
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  Speaker 3: really bad dudes that sponsor all the terrorism. To Hey,
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  Speaker 3: whatever happens to us. You operate independently. You are sort
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  Speaker 3: of a gorilla for you have authority to do whatever
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  Speaker 3: you need to do wherever you are. You don't need
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  Speaker 3: higher level command. And they switch their game plan. And
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  Speaker 3: so when you look at that and you say, okay,
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  Speaker 3: even if the majority of Iranians wanted this regime gone,
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  Speaker 3: the guys that have the guns have been told you
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  Speaker 3: don't need any orders.
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  Speaker 4: Carry on, like do your thing.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't see how in an environment like that
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  Speaker 3: that we think this is over in two or three weeks.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I think best case scenario, what we really
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  Speaker 3: ought to be advocating for is something more akin to
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  Speaker 3: like a containment situation we had in Iraq if you
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  Speaker 3: sort of think of like the Iraq invasion into Kuate
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  Speaker 3: and then you know desert storm and US pushing them back.
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  Speaker 3: We just said, look, you're going to tie them out.
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  Speaker 3: We got we're flying your airspace. You can't kill people
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  Speaker 3: like you're you're under massive sanctions. Nothing is coming in
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  Speaker 3: or going out without our permission. So Tom, you do
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  Speaker 3: whatever you want. We don't care. We're not going to
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  Speaker 3: go in and police you guys. We don't have the
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  Speaker 3: energy to do that, but you're not going to do
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  Speaker 3: any more terrible stuff. That's that's basically where we need
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  Speaker 3: to get to. These other kinds of things, like two weeks,
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  Speaker 3: like are you maybe two weeks we're done all We've
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  Speaker 3: hit all the targets that we can hit from the air.
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  Speaker 3: We're not gonna be done in two weeks. And then
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  Speaker 3: the reality is like there's finally some good reporting on this.
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  Speaker 3: Are we gonna just leave a bunch of nuclear material
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  Speaker 3: in Iran with a bunch of terrorists, Like that's going
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  Speaker 3: to be a major operation. There's gonna be a lot
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  Speaker 3: of special operation. We need to get that nuclear material
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  Speaker 3: out of there.
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  Speaker 2: Where is this uranium rich material right now that apparently
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  Speaker 2: Iran was saying they had enough to make eleven nuclear bombs? Yes,
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  Speaker 2: where is this uranium?
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  Speaker 3: So ostensibly it would be under you know, some bombed
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  Speaker 3: out sites right that we did a lot of damage to,
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  Speaker 3: But there's also reporting that they've moved things, that they've
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  Speaker 3: got covert sites, They've got a lot of stuff. The
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  Speaker 3: reality is we don't know, like I don't. We don't know,
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  Speaker 3: like how good is our intelligence? Clearly Israeli intelligence is
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  Speaker 3: pretty good based on their targeting. How good is our intelligence?
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  Speaker 3: Like we haven't we don't have a significant presence in
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  Speaker 3: Iran and so how good is the information we have?
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  Speaker 3: But certainly, like you think of those major sites like
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  Speaker 3: Naton's and other you know, we need to get in.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and we need to clean that place up.
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  Speaker 3: And that is not like a small even if it's
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  Speaker 3: you know, a couple thousand people, it's it's gonna take
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  Speaker 3: a couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 4: You're gonna I mean this, I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I just don't see like the people who are this
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  Speaker 3: is gonna be done in a second, I don't. I
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  Speaker 3: don't see how that how we let that stand. How
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna let physile material just float around?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's something I'm wondering. And when I hear this,
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  Speaker 2: I what are the same thing? I mean? Right now,
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  Speaker 2: I think the focus, the the concentration is that we
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  Speaker 2: are taking out or trying to take out, some of
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  Speaker 2: the missions manufacturing units so that they're not able to
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  Speaker 2: continue to shoot. But still we have a much bigger
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  Speaker 2: problem that's in front of us. And look at what's
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  Speaker 2: going on with Russia. Now there's been word for at
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  Speaker 2: least a week now that Russia is providing intel to
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  Speaker 2: why Iran on what America's plan is here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're an adversary of the United States, this
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  Speaker 3: is such a great opportunity to just jam us up. Yeah, right,
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  Speaker 3: just be like and frankly, look, what have we been
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  Speaker 3: doing with the Ukraine. We don't have any boots on
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: the ground in the Ukraine. We're training, we're advising, we're
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: giving them a ton of ton of weapons. Right, We're
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: causing problems from Russia. I mean, what would you expect
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: them to do?
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Sure?
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: Right, Like, we're providing targeting information to the Ukrainians, I'm
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: sure right Like you don't think there's fair play in
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: that when they turn it around? So, yeah, are there
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: and there's a lot of danger there right, more from China,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: I think necessarily from Russia.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Right, I'm going to ask you about you look at China.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: Like the majority of their oil imports coming from Iran
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: and the relationship that they have there with the Iranian regime.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: You know, again, we had we've for some reason, we've
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: charted out a course of confrontation with China. And you know,
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: g seems like he's got I'm not an Asia expert
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: by any means, but he seems like he's got a
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: path that he's on that he wants to see in
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: his lifetime to leave his legacy, and we're creating an
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, we're creating an opportunity for them. You
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: think of proxies, like we've always talked about Iran and
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: they've been happy to use proxies all over the Middle
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: East to cause problems for US, China and Russia. If
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: they want proxies, they've got happy proxies right now, you know,
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: with the IRGC and the besides.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: You know, like these.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: Guys are so happy to get whatever support they can get, right,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: So if you want to cause problems for the United States,
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: you got an instant place to do it.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: What do you uh, what's your thoughts about hamas Hespola,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: the who thies that are role that haven't really committed
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: to jumping into the mix here just yet or as
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: much as they could. What do you think about?
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Oh, I don't I don't know if that's accurate. I
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: think the reality is that they are decapitated in large
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: you know matter right that what happened after October seventh,
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: And you know, the reality is so like back in
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: the day, and I think there's plenty of public not
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: the details of the war games, but there was plenty
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: of public information about war games. Like when I was
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: when Obama came into office and was trying to figure out, hey,
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: do we do a negotiated settlement, do we do a strike?
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Like everything was on the table, right we had Bush
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: policy was sort of like kind of containment, and Obama
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: was like, what do we do?
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: The reports are these guys are actively pursuing you know,
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: a nuclear weapon.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: That's the info that we have. What do we do
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: about that?
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: And so everything was was sort of looked at and
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: the wargames just showed a pretty terrible you know, just
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: a conflagration in the Middle least a regional war because
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: of all the proxies that Iran had, right, they had
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: this sort of sunny or she accrescent, you know, they
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: called it like, you know, just look from Yemen all
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: the way across into Syria, like this massive amount of
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: minorities that are all supported, you know.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: By the Iranian regime.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: But what happened after October seventh was that Israel went
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: on the offensive, right and you know, just crushed the
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: moss crushed as well. You know, there's a resurgence and
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: is wella you always have to be concerned about that.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: The who Thi's you know, certainly have shown a capacity
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: to to you know, create problems for shipping all of
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: that is like when you look at what Iran has
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: done over the years. I mean, you know, you're talking
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: probably you know, one point five to two million people
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: have been killed by these these proxies that they've used
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: over time. Do they have the capacity to do that
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: kind of stuff in the in the moment?
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: I don't know that they're very strong.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, again, that war gaming that we did,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: I think part of the rationale, I don't you know,
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: we'll find out someday, right all the the conversation that
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: happened with the president in this decision making process will
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: come to light. But I think the reality is they
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: couldn't do what they could have done in the past.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: And if you want to do something, this is the moment,
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: this is the time right to do something. So you know,
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying they're not going to continue to cause problems.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: They will.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: It's not what it was, you know, two or three
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: years ago. Right, They've just been pretty seriously neutered.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: There's some pretty calm water, quiet environment right now in
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: the Strait. I think China has got some boats moving
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: through there. India has had some movement through there without
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: any kind of warnings coming from Iran, but they've made
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: it very clear that the United States is an Israel
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: It's not going to be moving any containers through there
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: at all. What do you think is going to happen
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: to the price of gas? It's already spiking.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you know, you got all kinds of speculation.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think one hundred and fifty dollars a barrel.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: We've seen it before, right, can it go there?
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: People? I saw some economists say two hundred. I mean,
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: you could it go there?
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Eight bucks a gallon is what I'm hearing.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: You just think the reality, like whatever you paid on
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: heating fuel right now, like this year, Like if that's
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: up a third, it's pretty traumatic to just the average
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Vermont or the average American. Right you paid three thousand
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: dollars for heating fuel and that goes to five thousand
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: next year. That's a lot of money, right, So I
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: think there's tremendous pressure on the president try to, you know,
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: get some resolution. I'm not really confident in the things
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: that we're seeing. Like, Okay, so we kind of broke it,
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: and now we're asking international partners to come in and
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: provide security. I mean, they probably will have to do
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: it for their own ships, right, Like what are they
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: going to do? Like sure, but but it's like, wait,
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: we created this massive problem and then we're not going
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: to like clean it up, Like to me, you broke it,
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: you own it. Yeah and again, And I don't quite
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: understand how we weren't aware that this was probably their
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: easiest you know, like what you drop some lines, you know,
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: you send some low cost drones, you know, you catch
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: a commercial ship on fire, like, yeah, you know, nobody
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: wants to forget it, like nobody wants to go there.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Insures won't ensure you, Like, it's just got all these
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: cascading effects, right, right, So yeah, I hope we can
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: get it cleaned up and cleaned up quickly. But I
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: think I think trying to pass the buck on everybody else,
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: I don't think that's going to work. I think we're
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: gonna have to unfortunately. I think we're going to have
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: to do some work in there to secure the shipping lanes.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting, And maybe in the meanwhile, get on the
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: exercise bike and get in shape in and maybe get
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: a bicycle for a little while this summer, because who
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: knows what's going to happen. Man, who knows what's gonna
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: happen at the price again. And I'm not trying to.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: Freak remember this, right, like you think back when we
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: had you know, we had sort of because of the
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: issues in in Iraq, we had sort of shut down shipping.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: I mean you know that's yeah, all those you know,
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: millions of barrel of oil that were kind of shut
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: down for a couple of years until they got back
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: to capacity. And we all, you know, we all remember
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: what that was like.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: And what do we do. We didn't take the trips
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: we took.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: People were doing staycations, right like people start looking at hey,
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: maybe you set your thermostat at sixty five instead of
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: sixty eight, right, you just start thinking.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: To think about carpooling. The list goes all of it. Yeah, yeah,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: I want to ask you about Colmaney's son. Please don't
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: ask me to pronounce his name, because I've got three
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: or four different versions and I'm butchering it. There's speculation
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: that he was taken out in that initial blast with
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: his dad. There's speculation that he was injured from that
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: hit and that he's recuperating, still live. We haven't really
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: seen his We haven't seen his face at all, at
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: least on our networks anywhere here in America. We've alleged
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure if we've heard his voice or what
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: it's we presume is his voice, but we've had a
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: statement from him that has finally come forward acknowledging that
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: he is taken over as the leader of Iran, which
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: his dad did not want him to be at all. Yeah,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: for a number of different reasons, one of which there
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: was a great question of his of his mental health,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: he had been through a lot of personal stuff, and
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: that he was not fit to be the next leader
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: of Iran. I know that it's kind of default here,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: but I wonder what you have to say about this.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: I wonder if this is going to stick and if
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: the Iranian people are satisfied.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: Oh I don't.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's fifty six years old.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: By the way, I think the reality is, it doesn't
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: it doesn't matter at this point. You know what it demonstrates.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: So you know, if you go back to the ir
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Revolution and they were you know, so the Iyahtolahmeni had
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: written before he ever came to power, had written this
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: book on political Islam, which you know, he was the
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: supreme jurist, right, like the top is you know, Shia
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Islamic cleric around the world that's sort of revered as
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: like the pope right for Shea Islam and had advocated
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: for what you know, a state could look like should
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: look like according to you know, their interpretations of the
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: law of God, and so in that formulation, it should
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: be the top jurists that would assume that role. Right,
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: that's you know, again that sort of pope type figure.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: What you have in moshtab or again however you pronounce
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: his name, what you have in the sun is somebody
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: who's propped up by the more radical extreme elements. The
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: IRGC not did not go through the normal process of
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: you know that you would come as an iotolo its
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: to sort of work your way through the ranks and
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: achieve that sort of prestige and you know that you
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: have judicial opinions are well reviewed and respected, that you're
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: a holy man, that you have you know, the following
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: that it takes right to be at that rank. So
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: he's you know, basically, what it says is the illergy
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: seas in charge, the extremists, the radicals are in charge,
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: and whoever comes after because we could kill a thousand
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: of them, and they're just going to put somebody else
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: in charge. That that's I think that's what's relevant, is
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: that what came out of this is that that idea
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: that was put forward originally by hominy is not what
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: exists anymore. What now exists as sort of a police state,
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: and frankly, it's a lot more dangerous. You know, like
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: if you think of you know, like when we grew up,
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: like it was all about all Cada and you know,
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: sunny extremism and that sort of thing. You know, Iran
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: was happy to work through proxies and be sort of
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: you know, have low attribution to what they were doing
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: as a state, right, they wanted to maintain a state.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: If they're in a place where there they are, they
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: are happy to become the primary.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: Actor because they're at war with everyone.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: That's super danger that's way more dangerous than al Kada,
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: way more dangerous than al Kada. You're talking about like,
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: you know, a couple thousand people that train in some
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: mountains Afghanistan. No, this is you're talking like hundreds of
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: thousands of train military folks with hundreds of thousands of
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: additional guard and you know, would be followers.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: That are hundreds of thousands.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, their whole, their whole, you know, just think of
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: you know, they're there, they've got regular standing army. But
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: you know, you think of the IRGC and these are
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: all people that are true believers in sort of that
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: radical interpretation.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: Of Islam.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: And again, there are people have access to physile material,
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: There are people that have access to war machines. They
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: have there are people that have alliances with Russia and
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: China right way more dangerous.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: I would say, I before I forget, and I'm sure
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: you're paying attention, probably already know this, but now we've
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: got North Korea saying no disrespect Kim. If you listen
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: in this morning, hey, don't forget about us. We're over here.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Let's hey, guys, let's just fire off a couple of
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: missiles out into the ocean, just to let everybody know that,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: you know, we're still here, pay attention to us. What
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: do you say about that game? I know it's kind
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: of a blanket statement, but.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: Well, I you know, I think I'm just gonna turn
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: it maybe just a little bit to talk about, you know,
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: what has been said about the Iran conflict, which is
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: you know, and I think it's what gives rise to
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: people like, you know, whatever vagabond state wants to create,
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: whatever sort of chaos is that we've gotten into this,
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: and we've seen it before. We've got into a partisan
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: situation in domestic politics where it's like we've got one
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: party like, oh, this is an illegal act of war,
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: like what are you doing. We've got another party like,
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: oh no, We're gonna just kill everybody.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: I mean, I can't quite.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: Understand the extreme positions of either of these, right, But
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: when you look at what statesman behavior, statesman like behavior
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: has always been in the past, has always been come
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: out and explain what you're doing, right, like declassify some information.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: I actually have no idea, and I follow this really closely.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: There's some reporting that, hey, they were getting ready to
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: move their phssile material to sites that we were never
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: going to be able to get to because they're way
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: too deep and way too secure.
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: I don't know if that's true or not.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: Like they haven't told us the story, right, so come
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: out and tell us the story. Tell us what the
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: objectives are, like, what are the objectives?
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: When is it going to end? Right?
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Get some international partners on board. And when you don't
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: do any of that, when you just come out and
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: do whatever you want to do and you don't explain
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: that and you don't do that regular political process, what
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: it does it allows what you know, again, can Russia
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: do whatever they want?
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: We just did.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: We didn't feel like we needed to explain ourselves, well,
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: can China? Can North Korea? Can any rogue regime? Just
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: do what they want? And say what do you mean? Like,
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: we didn't need to take this to the UN. We
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: didn't need to have this conversation. So I think unfortunately
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: our political system is trying to make this about an
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: election that's happening this fall and not a about what
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: it should be. These things are should be non partisan. Look,
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: it's in nobody's interest for O Run to have a
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: nuclear weapon. It's in nobody's interest. Again, couple million people killed,
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: like the entire instability that this regime has caused. Nobody
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: should be any kind of fan for the Iranian regime. Right.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: The fact is this should have probably been done a
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: lot sooner, but maybe the moment didn't arrive until it arrived, right,
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: But we should be like, how do we hold the
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: administration accountable to give US information that we need to understand. Why, right,
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, frankly we should. If this is going to
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: continue as long as I think it will, there should
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: be a War Powers resolution, right that the Congress puts
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: forward to have that they need information and they need
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: to understand the end goals. And this should be non partisan,
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Like what do we want? We want free trade? You know,
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: we'd love to have the run and people free. That's
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: that's a pipe dream. Like we like, we're not really good.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: You know, this thing that you see in Venezuela, that's
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: probably the only model that the US can pull off.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: Take somebody out, Let another strong man. Just lead it,
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: strong woman, just lead it. Yeah, Like trying to say
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: that we're gonna there's gonna be some kind of democracy,
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Like you know, look how long did we occupy Japan
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: and Germany after the war? Like are we prepared to
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: do that? No, we have seen in Iraq and Afghanistan.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: We are not prepared to do that.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: I see some of the comments on Facebook, why is
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: why is our oil going to be spiking up? Let's
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: just tap into some of those Venezuela and oils that
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: we've got.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's I mean, I don't know.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: It's also applying to man, right, And isn't it funny
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: that the oil prices all went up like as soon
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: as things happen. It's like, seriously, did you buy did
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: you go buy that one hundred dollars barrel of oil
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: yesterday and just refine it?
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Now? All we need is headline for All we need
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: is say the media controls everything. All we need is
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: a headline for the price of oil to change. I mean,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: we all know that, is right.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: It's crazy, right, Yeah.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: I shit you a text on March fourth that I
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: want to read here, and I know you've already kind
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: of uncovered a little bit of this, but I sent
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: you text saying did Trump undermine our national security by
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: not seeking approval from Congress? First? Do you think Congress
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: would have approved the strike? Do we really believe that
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: these strikes will ultimately have an effect on the regime
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: in the ideology in the Middle East? Or is this
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: just to prevent a nuclear strike from Iran? And that's
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: been kind of the million dollar question that's been going
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: around and it's created a lot of divide too, Yeah,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: a lot of divide.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: Well again, this is you know, we have an election year, right,
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: and so people unfortunately it's being used to garner votes.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: I mean that's the reality. And you know, like, look,
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: it's the system we live and we understand how it works.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: But if we just looked at we all just stepped
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: back and just said, look, I mean, you know, as
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: freedom loving Americans, as Vermontors, you know, as people who
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: care about the human race and also care about our
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: local community, what do we really need done? We need
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: we need some accountability, right, and that's really the role
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: that Congress should be playing.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Yep, Congress, do you feel that Congress also needs to
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: understand that these windows can suddenly open and close so quickly,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: and sometimes we just need to respond for our national
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: security as quickly as possible without sitting around and having
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: sitting around the campfire and having a little kumbayad discussion
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: about this.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: Oh, they understand.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, you know the reality is you can
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: look at you know, when you look at partisan politics,
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: part you know, presidents of every party have done this
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: kind of thing, right, Like, you know, you look at it,
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: whether the Balkans or you know, Panama or you know
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: whatever it is, Like there's all kinds of instances of
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: presidents using their authority as commander in chief to carry
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: out limited, short term actions that they think are in
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: the interest of the United States. Right, so you know
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: whether that's lawful or not, what's happened is, you know what,
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: basically nobody wants it to go to the Supreme Court.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: So they never really pushed the issue, right, like everybody
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: can ply. So you texted me that and my answer was, Look,
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: they brief the Gang of Eight, which is what's required
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: to do whatever COVID activity was required before. Within forty
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: eight hours they went in brief Congress, Right, that's what's required.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: And again if it's if it's what the President describes
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: that it's limited, then okay, we did it for this reason, right,
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: for the weapons program and for you know, the missile
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: you know, launches into great capability, and you know, whatever
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: those things are, there's been a lot of them. Actually
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: the administration is thrown out there, but those those criteria, right,
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: and then it ends, right, and then it's sort of done.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: But I do believe it's gonna this is going to need, uh,
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: you know, some kind of resolution to allow more whatever
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: that is. That containment strategy keeping the straits of horror
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: moves open. I think Congress is going to need to
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: get on board. And that's going to take briefings to Congress, right,
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: it's going to take declassification of information. It's going to
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: take a lot of conversation. And we're not there yet.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: And unless Congress science off, troops can only be there
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: for up to sixty days plus another thirty days to withdraw.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and they've got they do have.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, the Supreme Court has their levers, right,
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: We're actually seeing it right now with Homeland security. The
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: lever is we're not funding that, right, that's all I
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: have to do. We're not passing your defense budget, right,
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: I mean Gulf of Tonkin resolutions that was decided by
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: the Supreme Court. Like, you know, you can just do
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: whatever you want. You're not going to Cambodia. That is
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: not what we supported. Right, You're not moving on beyond.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: What we've said. You can, you can move beyond. So
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: you know, Congress certainly can do that.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: I don't Again, I don't see a lot of accountability.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: I see a lot of you know, garnering support for
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: an election. That's that's kind of what I see.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Interesting. Interesting, you know, I've also seen and heard, and
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: we're getting a couple of comments here this morning. Someone
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: to bring this up, you know, And I'm improvising here.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: I ran, didn't have their finger on the red button.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: This is just an Epstein distraction in Epstein cover up. Look,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, I know that's a big exhale right there
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: from Cabe.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: Look No, I mean, look, I'll tell you, like I
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: never was a conspiracy theorist about this Epstein stuff. But yeah,
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: I will say I don't think that's what this is, Okay,
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: But I will say there, I think there is clearly
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: an effort by the administration to not release the information
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: You've had Representative Luna and some others who have I
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: think the Epstein files really represent probably an operation by
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: Mosad to compromise you know, senior you know, elites that
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: have impact, and to put them in compromising situations.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, even from the Clinton I don't know if
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: you follow any of that.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: Right, they got Bill Clinton, you know the story he says, Look,
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: they invited me to this hotel. Right, they got pictures
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: of him with getting massage. They have pictures of him
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: like just taking a swim, and he's like, like, I went
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: out to the pool for twenty minutes and took a swim.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: I don't even know who is there?
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: What is that about? Why do you have these photos?
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: You have these photos so you can try to blackmail somebody?
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, right, Like but people could could make some AI
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: stuff of you and I together right now, Yeah, that
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: same situation. I get it.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: But there is a reason that you know, the president
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: in his campaign was like, we're going to release this stuff,
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden he's like, yeah, you know,
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: putting the brakes on, and you know, Marge Marjorie Teller
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: Green and like, there's something there, There's there is a
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: there there. I don't think that has anything to do
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: with I think the moment was. I mean, again, the
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: leaks are, and however good the leaks are, the leaks are.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: Israel came and said a couple of things. You know,
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: probably a couple of weeks prior to look, this is
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: what we know. They're getting ready to move, like we're
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: not gonna if we don't do something now, we're not
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: gonna be able to do it. And then I think
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: once all the forces were moved in, they had that
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: critical meeting where it's like, with one strike, we can
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: take out all these key leaders.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: We have to move.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: I think that's actually what happened.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: It was at like forty leaders something like that. Yeah,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: I mean all that we got intel that they're all
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: getting together in the big House. This if you're gonna fire.
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: If you're gonna do it anyway, this is the day
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: to do it right now.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: And I think that's the reality of Probably again, we'll
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: see someday this will all come out, right, But I
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: assume there's some fact on some.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Of those leaks. Congress hasn't officially declared war since World
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: War Two? Do you think they will? Oh?
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't see why they would declare war, right,
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, generally what they do is they do,
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: you know, some kind of War Powers Act, right, they
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: give some kind of authorization for the use of force.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: And I think that's what we appropriate here, and I
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: think they're going to need to do. I mean, the
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Trump administration doesn't seem to want to indicate that this
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: is gonna be a long term operation. I really do
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: think that that's a fantasy.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Do you So you don't think this is World War
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: three in the making?
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: Again, I think had this happened before all the actions
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: of the Israelis over the last couple of years. I
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: think it certainly could have been. I don't think in
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: the moment it is if there if there's ever a
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: nuclear weapon, you know, yeah, that would be pretty terrible
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: to put you know, and even even like a dirty bomb, right,
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: to put that in the hands of these people. You know,
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: where could they go? They could destroy New York City,
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: they could destroy Washington, d C. They could destroy Boston, right.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: And we've heard we've heard rumors of of I mean,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom is talking about this over in California that
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: there's some possible rumored threats of attacks into California. You've
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: heard about that.
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've seen I've seen the reporting.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, I you know, I know Trump was asked
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: about this over the weekend, and I mean, you know,
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: his indication was, what we've got all that covered, like
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: we're watching all those people.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: We kind of have it.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: You know, that puts a lot of confidence in the
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: FBI that we really know everything that's going down in
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: the United States. I'm sure we know. I'm sure we
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: know a lot. Do we know everything? Like I mean,
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: I you know, that's a little bit of hubris. Again,
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: I don't think they're at a place. I don't think
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: they were at that place where they have that sort
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: of nuclear device. Yeah, can they cause other kinds of chaos? Yeah,
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Look we're soft targets. Look at what they're doing in Dubai.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: Look what they're doing or you know, like right, yeah, hit,
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: you hit a you know, think any soft target? Right, Oh,
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: we we have you know, the Final four. Let's just
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: launch it, you know, let's just kill ten thousand people.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: Like they could do that, right, could they do? We
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: think they couldn't do that if they wanted to. I mean, again,
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: hopefully our borders are tight enough. But I think it's
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: a little hubris to think that we I mean, we
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: need to be vigilant.
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: I think is the bottom?
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Are we ducking and dodge in this whole girls' school?
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Tom Hawk hit?
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: I don't know, like that's a really good question. I mean,
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: you know, you're always gonna have collateral damage. It was
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: so early, like if this had happened now, you know
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: you could say, oh yeah, maybe you know, maybe it
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: was just an error, right, maybe we made a big
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: mistake being as it was. You know, when you think
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: of early moments in a campaign. The priority is is
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: air superiority. You need to take out all of the
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: capability so that you can fly unrestricted airspace, right and
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: so being so early, I imagine that that school is
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: adjacent to somewhere nearby something that was a valid target.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: How it ended up going into the school If that's
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: the case, right, I mean again, they have tons of propaganda.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: There's all kinds of things that can happen. I don't
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: think we have the facts on it, so I hate to,
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: you know, really make a judgment.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: We don't even know.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: That it was us, but you know it if it was,
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: it's you know, it's a terrible tragedy. But again, these
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: kind of things happen if if there was a legitimate
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: defense target that close to a school, like, shame on
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: Iran for you know, you basically have human shields.
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: Is that what you're did? Yeah, Like, I don't know,
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: pretty terrible it is.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: This morning woke up all of the phone and in
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: my ear about the new targets that Israel, mostly Israel,
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: but some support from the United States are going to
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: be focusing on today. Do you ever hear stuff like
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: this and say, God, you know, this is a no brainer.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Can we talk about this after the targets have been hit?
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Do we have to make this known in our media
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: that these are the targets we're going to be going
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: after today? I mean, wow, it just seems like I
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: don't know, man. You know, I know, back in the
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: seventies and eighties, before the cell phones and the information
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: age was exploding, you know that we could do stuff
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: like this and in the news, it seems wasn't as
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: over zealous as they are today on creating spin and
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: getting ratings and to be in the first to report
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: and so on and so forth. But man, it's like,
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: that's scary to here stuff like that. It just makes
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: me think, why are we blasting that all over the
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: media of what our intended targets are first thing in
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: the morning on a Monday.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I certainly New cycles. I mean, look
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: at what you're doing, right. You got an amazing show.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: By the way, JD. We're so grateful for the work
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: that you do. You got amazing sponsors. I mean, this
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: is a great program to have something something like this
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: in central Vermont that really is talking to the needs
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: that we have here. But you're an example of the
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: kind of there's voices out there, right, There's people that
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: are out there, and what we're seeing is that people
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: are you know, we're sort of all in our own
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: echo chamber because of algorithms, right, Like whatever it is
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: that we want to know about, and here it just
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: cycles through. And so I think certainly governments are in
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: a position where they feel like they need to communicate
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: information into those echo chambers so that their messaging is
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: getting out. But at the same time, there can be
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: legitimate military reasons for declaring targets. I mean I had
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: seen some reporting like over going that they had dropped
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: some leaflets saying just evacuate this city, right, And I mean,
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: you know that's a humane thing to do, isn't it,
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: Like if you know that, hey, we don't know what's
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: and they did that all. I mean, I have other
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: feelings about what happened in Gaza, but you know, to
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: the extent that they did some of that, they sent
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: leaflets out saying you need to evacuate the city because
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: tomorrow is going to be really ugly, right, And so
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: there are human reasons for doing telegraphing some of that
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: kind of stuff. I mean, the reality is those targets
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: if you're looking at humans, move right, But if you're
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: looking at fixed stuff, does it matter, Like it's not
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: moving and we have air superiority and it's all gonna
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: go down, you might as you know, like, does it
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: matter that we reveal the targets? We can do whatever
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: we want when we want. Does it matter that we've
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: told them? I don't know that it matters.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: I'm seeing so much coming up about it for some reason,
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: and I'm trying to plank. Haven't that enough coffee? These
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: bombs that they go up, they go up high four
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: or five miles, they explode, and then all these little
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: mini pops come down in cluster cluster, cluster that was
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: the word that I was trying to think of that
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: I ran as using those and that Israel is returning
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: with cluster, which is really ugly stuff. And I was
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: reading about these cluster bombs and how small they are
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: and what are they like four or five pounds each?
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: And when they come down, I mean they they they're
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: they're not targeted to anything other than let's be honest, civilians,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Am I am? I right? Or just anything anything? Well,
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: I mean they're not directed it depends on you.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: No, they're not direct, they're not. So we have the
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: ability to do precision strike today, right like we can
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: go right through the roof of a car and take
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: out a terrorist leader.
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: We've demonstrated that. Obama demonstrated that.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: The cluster stuff is ugly.
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: Dude.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: You know the I don't know, I don't know enough
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: about what their target that's our. But you know, if
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: you had again, if you had the infantry base or
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: iergy C base, is that that's that's probably legitimate use
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: of those. Obviously dropping those indiscriminately in places where you'd
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: have a lot of civilians. I would think that violates
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: the law of war, right, and so I think, you know,
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: we look.
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: Geneva, well, look like we have to be.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: This is another place I think where Congress can really
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: help provide some accountability, right like statements that are made
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: that sound like we don't care about the lav war,
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: Like Geneva Conventions, human rights conventions. All these things existed
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: because you know, eleanor Roosevelt, other great leaders from America
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: got international partners on board.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: All of the.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: Things that we appreciate are here because post World War two,
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: America realized we never wanted to cluster bombing like all us,
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: you know, blanket blanket attacks on cities, like we don't
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: want to go there again, right, we want to do
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: things differently, and so we have lav of war and
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: we need to, you know, we need to remind people
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: of how important that is. And again I think that's
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: a great role for Congress. Those are the kinds of
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: conversations that I think we should be having.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: What do you think Mark Karney, the Prime Minister in
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Canada is thinking these days when he gets up and
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: begins his day with this morning coffee, what do you
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: think's running through his mind?
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: I have no idea, you know, really, I think all
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: of our partners, you know, And I'll just say this, like,
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: as you know, I was in Iraq, I was in Afghanistan.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: I've done a lot of combined, you know, sort of
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: multinational operations. Our partners are really really important to what
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: we do. But particularly, and this sounds terrible, but our
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: Anglo partners are really important.
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: Right, NATO is cool. It is sort of true, like.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: You know, and I'm not I'm not belittling the losses
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: of somebody like a France or a Germany or whatever,
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: but they kind of when they come with us, they
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: kind of protect their own interests. They don't like the
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: objectives of the campaign and stuff. Ah yeah, maybe they're
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: sort of on board. Their government voted them there, they
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: send them there, like we're here. Our Anglo partners are
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: all in. It's just the way it is.
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: They are. They're joined with us at the hip. And
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: so the problem with.
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: Being a bad partner is will we have that trust
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: when we need it in the future.
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: And I do.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: I think, you know, Canada and the UK and Australia, like,
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: we just really need to recognize these are special relationships
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: that are essential to our security and whether it's economic policy.
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know again, I'm not.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: Saying that we don't have a right to have conversations
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: about trade barriers and make sure that we have fair
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: trade or any of that kind of stuff.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, Carney's pretty ticked off still
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: about the tariffs man.
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I you know again, I think all of us,
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: we can have our position as the United States, we
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: can talk about those things. I you know, I do
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: believe that trade hasn't been super fair for the United
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: States for a long time, and so I think those
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: things are worth addressing. But if we just abandon our
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: partnership and belittle people and are unkind right, like, are
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: we going to be able to rely on each other
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: in the future in the way that we're going to
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: need to?
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: I worry about that.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: Look at all of the countries here that are weighing
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: in interest vested interest in this show, and they're watching
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: so carefully and maybe polishing up some of their own
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: munitions here. There's a lot of countries, a lot that
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: are concerned and drawn lines in the sand right now.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: You really don't think that this is going to turn
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: into World War III.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: I mean again, I think Iron has no capacity to
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: create that kind of problem without some sort of aid. So,
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: you know, like we can look at you can look
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: at Vietnam as an example. If China started backing right
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: like that, we you know, or did we want to
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: go to war with China? We didn't, clearly or we
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: would have won in Vietnam, right We didn't want to
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: go to war with China.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: So China, we still don't want to go to war with.
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: China providing support China providing support to you know, North
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: Korea if you have you know, one of these nuclear
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: adversaries that got involved supporting Ron.
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: Could that lead to something.
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: I think what you point out though, is everybody has
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: an interest in this, and as much as we all
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: want to like power brokers have wanted to shift focus
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: to Asia forever. I don't know why we feel like
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: we need some kind of confrontation with China. But the
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: reality is the Middle East is really still pretty darn
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: important to all of us culturally, but still over energy, right, like,
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: there are some good you know, probably this will cause
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: some rethinking about conversion to renewables, right that. As energy
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: prices go high, people are going to start thinking, hey,
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: should I switch over? Is the cost of switching worth it?
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: It's cheaper? Is the cost of switching worth it at
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: this point? So there could be some good things. But
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: I think it's an opportunity now we actually, you know,
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: like I really like Mark Rubio. I feel like he
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: is a really good Secretary of State. It'd be a
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: great opportunity for him to start gathering like minded peers
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: like we've had in the past, to build a coalition
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: to say, look, this is what the future state looks like.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: It looks like some kind of containment, it looks like
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: protection of the trade routes, and these are all the
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: willing parties who are going to be involved in that
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: kind of thing. I think it's a great opportunity for
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: us to do something like that and maybe step beyond
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: the noise of the moment, right and do something that
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: looks American like lead, let's lead.
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: I think there's a good moment to do that.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: You have heard comments from family friends, I'm guessing or
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: if at least read them. It's one thing if we
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: think we're going to go in there and take out
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: all their ballistic capacity and so on and so forth,
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: and maybe we still have to find this uranium where
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: it's hiding out and maybe take out their nuclear capability.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: But it's a whole nother thing to try to blow
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: up and permanently kill the regime. And that'll never happen.
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: It'll never happen.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: This war has been going on for more than fifty years.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: It's not you know, we don't have the ability to doe.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: Look you look at serious amazing example, right. I mean
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: they had the Arab spring was about like two thousand
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: and eight or nine somewhere in there. I mean they
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: just if the civil war's over, like it just like
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: maybe in November, like when they finally kind of got
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: the Kurdish territories on board. Yeah, that's a long time,
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: that's a lot of people dead, and Iron was partly
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: responsible for that. But you know the bottom line is like,
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: we can't fight somebody else's civil war. It's not our
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: fight to fight. And I think in a large measure
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: that to some extent, that's what this is. This is
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: somebody else's civil war. There is a you might fight
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: digress for a second. So I'm just gonna go back
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: to nine to eleven. Before nine to eleven, well shortly
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: after nine eleven. Actually Eric Edelman, who later became Under
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: Secretary of Defense for Policy, he wrote this article called
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: somebody Else's Civil War, and what he was explaining was
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: what al Qada was trying to do is they were
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: trying to drag us into a conflict so that they
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: would garner more support for their solifie this sort of
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: extremist view of Islam.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: They were trying to draw more popular support, and their
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: their hope was that by attacking the United States right,
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: they would sort of stir the hornet's nest, and by
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: doing that it would unify all the people behind this.
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: You know, this idea of a political you know, regime
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: right that they're going to take you know, sort of
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: Islam is gonna take over the world. It's a very
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: good point, and to some extent, I think this is
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: what we're seeing in Iran as well. I there are
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: no there are no intelligence reports, and in fact, what's
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: been told to US declassified reports is there's no connection
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: between October seventh and Iran.
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: That's what's that they did green lighted. They didn't know
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: about it.
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: I find it incredibly hard to believe that Iran, who
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: has sponsored Homas, who's the lifeblood of Hamas, that nobody
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: there knew that they were going to carry out this attack.
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: And I and I suspect that part of that. I
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: think probably what was going on was there probably was
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: a debate. This is this is my conspiracy theory. Guys
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: like you just blame it on me. Nobody else has
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: said this. This is just Gablige and s Okay, some
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: guy that was at Montpelier, so don't worry about it.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: But my conspiracy theory is that that there was a
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: debate inside the regime about whether they should get it.
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: They were ready to break out to get a nuclear weapon,
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: there was a debate about whether they should have one,
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: and that's very similarly that the hardliners wanted to push
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: the Supreme Leader or whatever needed to happen so that
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: they could weaponize. They wanted to prove the fact that
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: they needed not just the breakout capability, they actually needed
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: the weapon right now. I don't think they recognized that
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: Israel was going to be able to go and do
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: what they did, like or willing, had the political will
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: to do what they did, right, They didn't expect dismantling
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: of Hamas and Hesbela and the kind of ferocity that
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: that generated from the state of Israel. So I think
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: that they, you know, they sort of overplayed that. If
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: they were involved, they overplayed their hand. But the result
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: of that today is what we see is that IERGYC
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: is in control and if they want to do it,
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: if they can ever get themselves to a breakout, I
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: think they will, Like why would they not. We've just
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: demonstrated we're willing to do whatever it takes to destroy
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: the regime apparently, right, Why would that? Is that not
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: good logic for why you should have it? Why does
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: everybody else have nuclear weapons deterrence? Why would they not
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: want deterrence right, Like to me, that makes total sense
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: if you're a hardliner. And I'll say this too, like
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: for people that don't know, it's complicated right Middle East?
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: Is anybody that claims they're a Middle East expert, Look,
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: they may be an expert in one little thing there,
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: that is is such a crazy complicent I mean cities,
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: individual cities have tribes and stuff that go back thousands
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: of years. There's nobody that's an expert. Okay, but but
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: what what you know, what you can say looking at
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: the entire situation is that you know, we really are
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: in a there are opportunities. On the one hand, I
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: saw some stuff over the weekend. Some of the folks
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: are saying, look, we're gonna have you know, sort of
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: another uh piece and Versailles, like how do we redraw
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: the maps of the Middle East?
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: There are some opportunities there.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: But I think there's you know, we just need to
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: be realistic that there is uh, there's a lot of
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: danger in the moment ahead.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: I had a friend tell me that Omiane's that Holmane
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: is no more dead than Elvis Presley, implying that he's
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: very much still alive. What do you believe. Do you
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: believe the Aye of Tola is? I mean, I still alive?
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: Israel says he's like injured and barely alive. I don't.
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: We're not talking about we're not talking about his son.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: We're talking about oh many.
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: Many, how many?
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: How many?
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: No?
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's crazy. No, I mean I don't know.
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: Why would why would that? You know, if they're all
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: in a building.
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: So the way this stuff works, right, like, you got
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: you got sources on site who are telling you, verifying
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: who's even if you don't have DNA, right, you got
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: sources on site who are telling you in real time
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: everybody's in the room. And then if you drop the
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: bomb and there's nothing left of the room, like I
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: don't need DNA, right, there's we saw them go in.
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: They did not come out. Yeah, and we dropped the
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: bomb and there's nothing left.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: My wife said, how helted we did we get that intel?
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's fascinating to me. Who was who
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: was it that was there that connected in with the
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: United States and said we're all in this Uh, here's
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: the address, We're in this room right now. I'm getting
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: the hell out of here and going to the bathroom.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: Now it's the time to hit go.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we I mean, you know, we've got
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: obviously between us or these relies, there are some intelligence
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: assets there, and I think given given, you know, like
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: I don't think we should be that surprised that we've
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: got good access to it, given you know, when you're
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: brutalizing your own people, right, there's going to be people
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: that have even come up in the system, but are
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: going to start questioning why are we part of this?
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: Like my son's friend got killed when he went out
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: and walked the streets the other day because he was
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: in the wrong place.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: So the fact that we have people that are willing
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: to get paid.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: Dress dress the part, look the act, the part have.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: The promise of we're going to get your family out
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: of here. When they're saying what I was actually hoping,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: like when this all kind of kicked off and there's
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: a lot of uncertainty, what I was hoping is, boy,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: I hope we have some assets there that are ready
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: to be the Venezuelan equivalent of a strong man. I
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: hope that there's like an IRGC leader or in a
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: regular army leader or somebody that's already on our books
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: that thinks they can, you know, that they can step in.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: And when that that clearly hasn't happened yet, that gives
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: me pause and concern. It's like, Okay, we got into
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: you know, at some moment, Trump's talked about, you know,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: the secretary of war. We've heard people talking about regime
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: change as a potential goal of this thing.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: That could only really be.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: Possible if you knew that you had a strong person
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: that was going to be able to wield those hundreds
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: of thousands of militarize people and get them behind. And
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: if we don't have that, then it's it's again it's
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: sort of like you know, yeah, maybe there's millions of
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: people that would rise up. They're all going to get shot,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: like like you can't expect, you know, these are not
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: This isn't France in the eighteen hundreds where they're going
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: to throw the barricades down right and fight.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: What was your your reaction when Kamanie was was hit
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: in that that first strike. Were you what were you doing?
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Were you popping popcorn? Where you calling your buddies? Were
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: you saying I told you so, I knew this was
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: going to happen again.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: I think people in the community were watching this. I
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: don't think any of us were surprised. I mean again,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: I the leaks, like I thought it was gonna happen
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: four days earlier. The fact that they were able to
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: get everybody out, like all at once, take everybody out
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: at once, I mean that was like, Oh, they've got
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: some their intels better than I thought. It was right
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: that they could have that kind of access to that meeting.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: That's pretty that's you know, that's somebody high up, right.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: I mean it could be the tea guy too. You
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: don't know, right, the guy delivering tea. It could be
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: that guy. But to have you know, the tea guy
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: wouldn't know the details of all these people all you know,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: these are all the names, this is all the stuff.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: They seem to have known every that have the list, right,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: they seem to have the list, So that indicates somebody
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: that's you know, has some access.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: Anyway, if you were the president of the United States,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: would you have buzzed into Congress and said, Yo, we've
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: got to three minute window here or a one hour window,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: or would you have just rallied the troops and aimed
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: your target.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: No. I think he did what every president has done,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: which is which is, you know, you do your attack,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: you have your element of surprise, and then you come
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: out and you do you know, you do a public statement,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: which is what he did, and then you go in
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: and you know, they came in within forty eight hours
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: and they brief Congress and stuff.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: I don't you would have done the same?
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: I think that's what you do. Like what again before
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: about target list? Well, maybe at this moment it's fine
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: to tell everybody because you're just hitting fixed.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: Materials and stuff.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: But at that moment, when you're taking out part of right,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: the command and control, is the leadership. Right, So when
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: you're like, well, we're gonna we're at least going to
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: create confusion because we're going to take out the core leaders,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: that is part of this initial in addition to the
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: air defense capabilities, taking out those core leaders is part
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: of that initial campaign. Sure, yeah, I mean I think
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: every it doesn't matter party, this is what anybody would do.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: What about We'll wrap up here, but what about the UK?
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: What do you have to say about Germany? What do
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: you have to say about France? They're all saying, Hey,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: we'll do whatever we have to do. But they seem
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: like they're pardon the lack of verbiage here, but on
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: our side.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there is Within the UK in particular,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: I think there were a lot of internal debates that
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: were actually worth having for them, Oh yeah, to figure
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: out like what's going on. This is the longest part.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: You know, it's a special partnership, like what kinds of
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: things do we want to say and kind of holding
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: their prime minister accountable, you know, like having some conversations
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: about that kind of thing. But I think it is
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: a really great moment for us to lead and I
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: hope that we'll do that. It's you know, I'm sure
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: from you know, like again coming off of the Venezuela,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: you know, change like in that being so successful and
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: so fast and so quick and something apparently he wants
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: you know, that's come out now right, that he wanted
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: to do that in the first administration, but he kind
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: of got yep, his advisors kind of tucked it away, yeah,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: and didn't really follow out his his guidance or something, right.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: So I think when you when you look at all
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: those you know, when you look at that situation, you
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: can say, oh, it's great to go it alone. This
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: is not a go out your own the long term again,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: whatever the targeting that we're going to do, like, hey,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: we get the final you know, two hundred and two thousand, whatever,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: the number of targets is sure, we can hit all those.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: But once we're done that, the sort of peace operations,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: the stability operations, right, the the containment operations. Let's let's
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: get a big coalition on board, because we all have
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: interest in the region, we all have interest in energy,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: we all have interests in the Iranian people. These are
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: like amazing, wonderful people, right, we all have an interest
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: in this. How do we do that and to get
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: the more partner the more partners we have on board.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: The better.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: Right. Wow, Gab, it's been just fascinating hearing you talk
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: about this and breaking it down for us. Man, it's
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: this is one where I just got to go back
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: and give it a re listen and make sure that
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: this one is shared with as many people as possible
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: because this just brings fantastic perspective. And I appreciate your
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: time so much. Man, you you really know what you're
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: talking about.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: Well, thanks for having me on again. You just have
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: a great show, and hopefully I didn't. You know, this
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  Speaker 3: is all controversial. I hope people do make their own conclusions.
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  Speaker 3: But I do think it's important that we don't get
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  Speaker 3: stuck in an algorithm telling us everything. Right, I think,
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  Speaker 3: you know, if you're a Fox News person, get onto
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  Speaker 3: MSNBC and read some.
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  Speaker 4: Of their perspectives.
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  Speaker 3: Are Wall Street journal person read the New York Times occasionally, right, Like, Yes,
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  Speaker 3: we just get stuck in all our own headspace, and
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  Speaker 3: it's just it's reflecting on us the same things we
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  Speaker 3: already think. We need to hear some alternative views. And
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  Speaker 3: you're not probably going to get persuaded completely, but you're
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  Speaker 3: gonna here's some other things. This is we have a
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  Speaker 3: responsibility here, there is an election, right, we do make
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  Speaker 3: a difference.
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  Speaker 4: Right Again, I think.
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  Speaker 3: If you look at the Homeland security is a really
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  Speaker 3: really awesome example. The American people were not happy that
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  Speaker 3: they were seeing in Minnesota, right the Vermont our our
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  Speaker 3: delegates did an awesome job of holding people accountable. Right,
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  Speaker 3: we had no you know, was fired reason?
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  Speaker 4: Whatever it is?
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  Speaker 3: Right, she's out of the picture, right, some like there's
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  Speaker 3: still probably more accountability.
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  Speaker 4: That it needs to be hauled.
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  Speaker 3: But this is what we as citizens, this is what's important,
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  Speaker 3: is that we write our Congress right that we but
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  Speaker 3: to do that, be informed, don't just get stuck in
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  Speaker 3: what the algorithm has told.
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  Speaker 4: You to think.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, that's that is so so important. Listen to
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  Speaker 2: as many different networks as you can, and you know what,
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  Speaker 2: also shut it off. Yeah, and go out and play
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  Speaker 2: with your kids.
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  Speaker 4: That's right, that's right.
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  Speaker 3: After a little while, some of the best perspectives going
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  Speaker 3: go for a long walk, go for a run.
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  Speaker 2: Like exactly, Gabe, thank you so much for coming in. Man.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks Jadi, the.
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  Speaker 2: Host of the Abundance Agenda. Where is that It's right
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  Speaker 2: on Facebook?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's on Facebook. We're on YouTube too.
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  Speaker 3: But i'd say, you know, we're like we're still just
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  Speaker 3: getting I just started this in the fall. We're like
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  Speaker 3: eight hundred followers or something. Come follow us, check it out.
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  Speaker 3: I mostly am talking about like local stuff, which is
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  Speaker 3: housing and healthcare and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, come on and join us. We'd love to
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  Speaker 4: have you.
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  Speaker 2: I really want to get you back on. I know
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  Speaker 2: we started off this morning talking a little bit about that,
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  Speaker 2: but I really want to get you back on and
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  Speaker 2: take a deeper dive on some of the stuff that
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  Speaker 2: you're talking about on the abundance agenda, which affects us
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  Speaker 2: locally right here. That's so so important. And as I said,
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  Speaker 2: we're breaking ground on some really big things coming this
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  Speaker 2: spring and this summer when it comes to housing right
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  Speaker 2: here in central Vermont. This process concerts all kinds of
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  Speaker 2: stuff I wanted. I wanted.
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  Speaker 4: Let's do it. Let's do that, Let's do it, all right,
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  Speaker 4: thanks Jadi.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, Gabe Latchins right there, I said before, and
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  Speaker 2: say it again. That's the real deal. The guy knows
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  Speaker 2: what he's talking about. Fascinating stuff this morning here in
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• 1:09:09
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  Speaker 2: fifty seven degrees later today. Do what you can because
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• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: spring's coming. Gang, it's gonna start greening up out there
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  Speaker 2: real soon. Be good, Take good care. We'll catch it
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: tomorrow morning. Is we dive into bullying tomorrow morning here
• 1:09:37
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  Speaker 2: one tomorrow morning when we invite you to join us,
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