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Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan: A Tooth Tells the Story - The Disappearance of Crystal Rasch · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Body Donors with Joseph Scott More. I just got back
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Speaker 1: from Great Britain. I spent most of the time that
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Speaker 1: I was over there in London, and the people over
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Speaker 1: there are just remarkably friendly. And here's why I know
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Speaker 1: I didn't have to do this, But on three separate
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Speaker 1: occasions I had total strangers walk up to me and
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Speaker 1: tell me to take my phone out of my back
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Speaker 1: pocket and put it inside of my jacket. And the
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Speaker 1: reason they told me that is that there were a
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Speaker 1: lot of pickpockets around and apparently this is a huge
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Speaker 1: thing in London, and I just didn't really think about
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Speaker 1: It's something that you don't think about here in America
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Speaker 1: that much, I guess maybe if you live in New York,
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Speaker 1: but certainly certainly not in Alabama. And I thought, how
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Speaker 1: horrible would that be to have your pocket picked and
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Speaker 1: then somebody use your credit cards to buy things that
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Speaker 1: they'd always wanted. Now, let's take that and think a
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Speaker 1: little bit about the case I'm going to tell you
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Speaker 1: about today. Imagine, if you will, your lady who is
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Speaker 1: estranged from your husband, hadn't been together in a while,
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Speaker 1: and then he kills you. He takes your credit cards
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Speaker 1: and goes out and purchases cleaning supplies with them to
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Speaker 1: clean up the mess that he created from your homicide.
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Speaker 1: That's what we're dealing with today in the case of
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Speaker 1: Crystal Rash. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body Bags.
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Speaker 1: Brother Dave. You ever had your pocket picked?
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Speaker 2: You were talking about that. I thought, what a nice
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Speaker 2: group of people, because we haven't been you and I,
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Speaker 2: Joe and I live very near one another geographically speaking,
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Speaker 2: although both of us are used to being in much
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Speaker 2: bigger cities, and it's one of the things that when
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Speaker 2: you were first talking about, I thought, what a kind
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Speaker 2: thing to tell you. Except I remember being in the
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Speaker 2: city and I never put anything in my back pocket
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Speaker 2: in the city. I always put in my suit coat
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Speaker 2: or in my front pocket. Yeah, basic things of life
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Speaker 2: in a big city. So you're in London.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I hope my son doesn't hear this, because every
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Speaker 1: time he goes out somewhere, tell him to put his
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Speaker 1: wallet in his front pocket, and that's your standard practice.
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Speaker 1: And he's going to hear this now because now it's
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Speaker 1: for the whole world, right, and he's going to chastise
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Speaker 1: me about it because I've been preaching to him, but
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Speaker 1: it's longer we get sorry.
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Speaker 2: I thought that was an amazing thing that somebody would
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Speaker 2: take the time to share that with you, whether they're
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Speaker 2: you know, in that big city all the time or
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Speaker 2: not recognizing. Hey, do they call us Yanks?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't hear that term very much, primarily Americans,
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Speaker 1: and they don't say it with a sneer, contrary with
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Speaker 1: some people might think everybody is just look, everywhere has
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Speaker 1: got jerks. Okay, it doesn't matter where you are. You'd
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Speaker 1: be the smallest town in the south, and you think
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Speaker 1: you're going to run into totally hospitable people and you'll
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Speaker 1: run into a jerk. They're everywhere. But on the whole,
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Speaker 1: I've I have yet to have a bad experience. I've
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Speaker 1: been going to London Oil England for ten years, almost
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Speaker 1: ten years. People will bend over backwards to help you
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Speaker 1: if you're lost, and it's very easy to get lost
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Speaker 1: in London because it's so massive. But yeah, it was
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Speaker 1: completely enjoyable. But you know, interestingly enough, Kim and I
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Speaker 1: while we were over there, we went into one of
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Speaker 1: the oldest, oldest pubs still operational in London and there
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Speaker 1: was a sign when we walk when we walked in
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Speaker 1: next to a Guinness beer ad, an old Guinness beer ad.
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Speaker 1: They had a sign adjacent to it and says take
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Speaker 1: care there are thieves about and wow, that's kind of chilling,
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Speaker 1: you know. And there was more than one sign like
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Speaker 1: that in the same specific of course, where this pub,
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Speaker 1: where this pub is Dave is actually located in Whitechapel
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Speaker 1: where Jack the Ripper did perpetrated all of his cases.
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Speaker 1: So I don't know, maybe there's a.
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Speaker 2: Maybe that's why maybe they're saying there, I don't know,
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Speaker 2: nefarious behavior. I will tell you the way that you
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Speaker 2: brought it in there of in this day and age,
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Speaker 2: when somebody does get a hold of your credit cards,
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Speaker 2: debit cards, they can trash you pretty quick, you know.
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Speaker 2: I actually was at I was in a college town
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Speaker 2: and had to stop and get gas and needed some
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Speaker 2: cash for where I was going, So I went and
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Speaker 2: used to tell her at a convenience store, and two
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Speaker 2: hours later, I get a buzz on my phone from
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Speaker 2: my bank because there's somebody six hundred miles away trying
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Speaker 2: to buy groceries and they're like, there's it's impossib this
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Speaker 2: doesn't make sense. And I was able to stop the
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Speaker 2: account shut everything down. I got hacked at that college
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Speaker 2: town convenience store with my teller machine, so people can
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Speaker 2: tell you quickly. And I'm glad you brought that up,
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Speaker 2: because it wasn't a stranger danger that got her and
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Speaker 2: the money. It was somebody that she had shared a
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Speaker 2: life with. And police found out that Crystal Rash and
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Speaker 2: her husband, Zachariah Rosh, they did have separate bank accounts
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Speaker 2: and they did not plunder each other's accounts. They were separate,
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Speaker 2: and they were kept separate that neither one had permission
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Speaker 2: from the other, even in their married life, for going
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Speaker 2: into that account. And when the police are talking with
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Speaker 2: Zachariah Rosh, that became an important part of this case
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Speaker 2: because Crystal Rush went missing and they weren't even exactly
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Speaker 2: sure when she vanished. How many times have we had
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Speaker 2: that on this show, Joe, where we have a story
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Speaker 2: about somebody who vanishes and the closest person and to
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Speaker 2: them doesn't bother to report them missing. Ever, it was
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Speaker 2: her husband didn't. He's the last person known to be
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Speaker 2: with her. He does a reporter missing her stepmother does.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're talking, we're talking literally, I think twelve
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Speaker 1: days down range from when she was last seen. We
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Speaker 1: have to back up and say that she was last
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Speaker 1: seen or known to be alive, back on June the eleventh.
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Speaker 1: She was not reported missing until June twenty third, So
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Speaker 1: there's this big delay. And as we have talked about
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Speaker 1: on body bags beforehand, the longer we moved down that timeline,
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Speaker 1: the more things get diminished. As a matter of fact,
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Speaker 1: not only do things get diminished by time and where
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Speaker 1: and all those sorts of things that we look at
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Speaker 1: as these kind of outside factors in cases, but also
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Speaker 1: get diminished by further and nefarious activity. So if you've
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Speaker 1: got this huge gap of Tom Dave and you have
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Speaker 1: a suspect that still has control over, say, for instance,
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Speaker 1: a human remain, then it's during that period of time
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Speaker 1: this individual can do just about anything that they want
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Speaker 1: to do with a victim's body. And in this particular case,
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Speaker 1: there are some pretty ghastly things that have happened here,
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Speaker 1: my friend.
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Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, Joe, because yeah, you mentioned
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Speaker 2: June eleventh, that's our starting point. That's the last time
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Speaker 2: anyone remembers seeing Crystal Rush. And actually the proof is
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Speaker 2: in the pudding. She was Crystal Rosh was seen at
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Speaker 2: a thrift store with Zachariah Rosh, her husband. Now granted
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Speaker 2: he is estranged, Okay, she has filed for divorce. They
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Speaker 2: are not living together as husband and wife. They're in
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Speaker 2: the process of a divorce that was instigated by Crystal.
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Speaker 2: But they are seen together on surveillance cameras in the
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Speaker 2: store shopping together on June eleventh. But what gets this
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Speaker 2: whole ball rolling is that's the last time. Because as
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Speaker 2: the days go on and she doesn't have a lot
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Speaker 2: of contact with people, and finally her stepmother sees her car.
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Speaker 2: Her stepmother sees Crystal's car and realizes she hasn't talked
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Speaker 2: to her, not getting return calls or return message. I mean,
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Speaker 2: these little things start piling up. But when friends started
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Speaker 2: getting messages from Crystal, the messages didn't ring true. And
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Speaker 2: so as police get notified on the twenty third by
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Speaker 2: Crystal's stepmother can't get her. Her car's over here, I
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Speaker 2: don't know where she is. Would you do a quick
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Speaker 2: check on this for me? The police are already almost
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Speaker 2: two weeks behind the eight ball. Yeah, So they start
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Speaker 2: digging through everything and that's what led them to bringing
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Speaker 2: in Zachariah Raj. They wanted to know why were you shopping,
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Speaker 2: why were you buying cleaning supplies? And why are you
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Speaker 2: using Crystal's bank card? You know, that's that doesn't seem
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Speaker 2: to be the proper thing for an estranged husband to do.
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Speaker 1: No, it doesn't. And here here's kind of an interesting
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Speaker 1: little tidbit here. If you want to kind of get
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Speaker 1: an inside peek at all this, Dave, you look back,
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Speaker 1: you know, retrospectively. I think you know, kind of conducting
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Speaker 1: this retroactive investigation where they're going back.
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Speaker 2: Is that normal?
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Speaker 1: Really? Yeah? Yeah, it is. You have to. You have
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Speaker 1: to go back as far as you can. Because listen,
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Speaker 1: if if you're working a case that you suspect is
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Speaker 1: missing or is a homicide or both, you have to
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Speaker 1: I think in all of our minds, we began to
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Speaker 1: think about, well, what is it that connects what previous
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Speaker 1: events connect the victim and disappearance in their death, And
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Speaker 1: so you have to go back in that anti mortem
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Speaker 1: state and try to build that out. And sometimes it's
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Speaker 1: a daunting task, but you know, it's less daunting when
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Speaker 1: you have numbers, Dave. And here here's something a little
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Speaker 1: tidbit for all our friends. When they did a search
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Speaker 1: of Crystal's financial records. What really kind of stood out
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Speaker 1: is that on June the third, she had a balance
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Speaker 1: in her bank account of over nine thousand dollars. You
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Speaker 1: jump all the way forward to June twenty fourth, that's
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Speaker 1: down to twenty nine hundred dollars. Now, listen, you know,
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Speaker 1: you could say, well, you know, she got paid. You know,
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Speaker 1: you get paid the first of the month, and you know,
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Speaker 1: when you've got more going out than you've got coming
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Speaker 1: in and you're paying bills and whatnot, Yeah, you would
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Speaker 1: expect there to be a diminishment at funds. But that's
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Speaker 1: a pretty striking amount. So over that five dollars, Yeah
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Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, precisely, man, So how do you account
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Speaker 1: for that? And the thing about it is nowadays, if
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Speaker 1: you're using a card which is easily tracked, if you're
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Speaker 1: talking about a debit card, for instance, and you're going
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Speaker 1: in and you're swiping this thing for every time. You know,
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Speaker 1: we talk a lot about cell phones, don't we, Dave,
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Speaker 1: and we forget what gets caught, It gets left in
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Speaker 1: the dust. Here is that for a long long time,
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Speaker 1: we've been able to track people with their financial records.
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Speaker 1: You know, you go and you utilize a debit card somewhere. Well,
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Speaker 1: every time you do a strike on one of those cards,
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Speaker 1: that literally pinpoints the location where it puts you. You
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Speaker 1: know that card is going to be in hand. Somebody
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Speaker 1: has to actually utilize that card in order to make
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Speaker 1: this happen. Now, I guess you know, you could say
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Speaker 1: that you know, well, maybe they were online purchases and
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Speaker 1: things like that, but still those things are trackable, and
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Speaker 1: this is I think, moving forward with this case, I
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Speaker 1: think this is going to be damning, damning information because
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Speaker 1: Dave is always been said, and I don't know that
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Speaker 1: it necessarily rings true, but it does. Sometimes money is
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Speaker 1: the root of all evil. Well, you know, Dave, I
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Speaker 1: don't know that you know that that's necessarily a true
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Speaker 1: statement that I just made. People have quoted that for
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Speaker 1: years and years. Money is the root of all evil.
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Speaker 2: The love of money.
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Speaker 1: It is the love of money. But there's also something
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Speaker 1: else that comes along with us. And I've said many
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Speaker 1: times that most of us are at more are at
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Speaker 1: more peril uh at the hands of the person that
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Speaker 1: we're in bed with, than we are on some stranger
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Speaker 1: and sometimes that you know, things come about anger jealousy, possessiveness,
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Speaker 1: you know, all those things that come around, and I
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Speaker 1: would argue, I could argue the point that they those
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Speaker 1: things rival and their ferocity probably even more than the
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Speaker 1: love of money that would drive and you know the
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Speaker 1: fact that you're stealing from a dead person after the fact,
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Speaker 1: which is you know, it's really grimmy, isn't it. You
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Speaker 1: know when you think about it, insult to injury, that
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Speaker 1: sort of thing.
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Speaker 2: I was going to ask you about the when police
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Speaker 2: are tracking this and they're going to start with, Okay,
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Speaker 2: we got the phone call on the twenty third, don't
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Speaker 2: We don't know where she is. And so as they
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Speaker 2: start looking back, they're going to try to find the
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Speaker 2: last time they can identify Crystal Zara Rosh being somewhere.
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Speaker 2: And so once they can identify it, we know she
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Speaker 2: was here, do they start going from like Juna love
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Speaker 2: now and saying, okay, where was she on the twelfth,
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Speaker 2: let's find out? Yeah, And then they hit that part
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Speaker 2: where now we don't know we know that this is
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Speaker 2: absolutely last day. Okay, Now they look at in this case,
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Speaker 2: you mentioned the bank statements and you and see where
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Speaker 2: they started and how it ended. Yet we don't have
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Speaker 2: any proof of life after June eleventh, and a lot
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Speaker 2: of expendors do they then break down what was he
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Speaker 2: buying and was he with anyone? Because there's surveillance video
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Speaker 2: at these places, right.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there are. And that's the other thing. There's
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Speaker 1: three big components here to this case from a forensics perspective.
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Speaker 1: First off, you've got the financials, which I think is
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Speaker 1: standing alone. They're damning. And then you know we had
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Speaker 1: mentioned the text or you did specifically these text messages.
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Speaker 1: How many cases have we covered over the year's day
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Speaker 1: where we've got somebody that will get their hands on
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Speaker 1: somebody's mobile device and start to pretend that it's they're acting.
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Speaker 1: They're acting as the decedent, you know, trying to play
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Speaker 1: the game out if you will put people off sin.
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Speaker 1: So you're going to have digital records as far as
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Speaker 1: phone records go. And then on top of that, I
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Speaker 1: think that what's crucial here are going to be these
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Speaker 1: CCTV records as well. Boy, you've got individuals that are
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Speaker 1: coming in and out, and you marry that up with
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Speaker 1: the financial statements where you're going in to purchase things,
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Speaker 1: and then you've got CCTV of them actually purchasing things. Boys,
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Speaker 1: that's a that is a huge amount of evidence to
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Speaker 1: present the accused with by the police.
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Speaker 2: You know, I was thinking about the CCTV cameras because
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Speaker 2: when you were in London, you know, at Crime Con London.
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Speaker 2: For those of you don't know, there's a show on
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Speaker 2: body bags, you know that Joe did with an incredible
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Speaker 2: it was blood spatter and everything else. It was just
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Speaker 2: really brilliant and Joe Millington, her voice is so soothing,
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Speaker 2: it's like a grand Yeah. I just wanted to tell her, like, hey,
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Speaker 2: what do you want me to admit to because I mean,
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Speaker 2: I'll do it. Just to hear her talk. It was amazing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I found myself it's the old Mike Myers thing
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Speaker 1: from Coffee Talk on SNL who said it's like but
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Speaker 1: uh you know, and so yeah, that's that's the way
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Speaker 1: Joe's voice is.
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Speaker 2: But I thought about that with London and all the
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Speaker 2: CCTV cameras there.
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Speaker 1: And they are everywhere.
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Speaker 2: But Europe is a different place than the United States.
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Speaker 2: You know, everything's closer together and here in the United
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Speaker 2: States we're spread out a little bit, so we don't
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Speaker 2: have necessarily cameras on every street corner. But in every
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Speaker 2: place you're going to use a card pretty much under
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Speaker 2: surveillance because it's so cheap. Now, so you've got that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got card. Well, let's just say you go
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Speaker 1: to an ATM. Well, there's videography with that, uh and
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Speaker 1: and then you know, and they're all over banks and
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Speaker 1: then some ATM machines actually have uh, you know, CCTV
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Speaker 1: contained therein so you can see it. And there's been cases,
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Speaker 1: you know, where you've got a perpetrator using a card,
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Speaker 1: you got a clear shot of their face and you
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Speaker 1: know with you were comparing you know how it is
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Speaker 1: in London where you've got cameras everywhere, and you look
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Speaker 1: at the coburger k where they're just they're trying to
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Speaker 1: scrape together anything that can of the of the white Sedan,
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Speaker 1: remember that, you know, passing by stores. They did the
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Speaker 1: twenty mile loop. And in our case with Crystal, you know,
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Speaker 1: the thing that is going to be so damning with
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Speaker 1: this is that you've got multiple points of contact. And
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Speaker 1: that's one of the things that we look for in forensics.
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Speaker 1: We try to take as much of the data, whether
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Speaker 1: you know, we're talking about forensic toxicology we're talking about
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Speaker 1: DNA or we're talking about electronic are in financial data,
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Speaker 1: and we're trying to connect the dots and see if
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Speaker 1: there's any overlay with a lot of these things, you know,
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Speaker 1: kind of any kind of connectivity between these and they're
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Speaker 1: going to have a lot of this, I think. And
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Speaker 1: if you want to take it to another level, some
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Speaker 1: of the items that Zachary Rash was purchasing, we're talking about.
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Speaker 1: Now hold on to your head. Where's talking about cleaning
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Speaker 1: supplies and and drum roll sulfuric acid and so get that.
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Speaker 2: Is there any ration forgetting cleaning supplies and acid?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So when you begin to think about the nature
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Speaker 1: of sulfuric acid, it's obviously it's it's highly highly caustic,
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Speaker 1: so it will burn you, it will clean. It's used
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Speaker 1: to clean surfaces many times. And I'll tell you one
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Speaker 1: of the one of the utilities that it has actually
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Speaker 1: is you can take it, for instance, like if you
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Speaker 1: have a car port, right and you've got oil stains
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Speaker 1: that are on the car port, you can actually take
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Speaker 1: this stuff and apply it directly directly to that surface
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Speaker 1: in order to get to get those stains off of
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Speaker 1: those surfaces and it will you know, it'll be used.
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Speaker 1: It has multiple uses, you know in industry, everything from
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Speaker 1: explosives to making a paint to just tons and tons
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Speaker 1: of things. But you know, you have to think about, well,
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Speaker 1: what would have been his purpose for wanting sulphuric acid?
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Speaker 1: Because this is, in fact an industrial They just latch
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Speaker 1: on these words industrial cleaning agent. So it's it's so
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Speaker 1: caustic that you could actually take it, and I think
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Speaker 1: that a lot of people believe that you can take
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Speaker 1: it and you can actually render down a body with it.
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Speaker 1: Well maybe you can remove stains with it and those
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Speaker 1: sorts of things. So it's very very dangerous.
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Speaker 2: I'm thinking you're getting an industrial cleaner. What did you
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Speaker 2: eat that has to be cleaned with the uric acid?
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Speaker 2: That doesn't make any sense at all. Now what we
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Speaker 2: have here is we got some facts. We've got money
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Speaker 2: being spent by you, mister Rash, which, by the way,
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Speaker 2: we're charging you now with spending your wife's money without
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Speaker 2: her permission. That's we don't know where she is, but
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Speaker 2: we know you spent money that you've already told us
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Speaker 2: you don't. Because that was during their interview. They brought
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Speaker 2: him in and said you know, you were spending her
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Speaker 2: money in her card and we can't find her. Did
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Speaker 2: you have permission to use her card while she's gone?
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Speaker 2: And he's like, no, we don't do that, and you
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Speaker 2: realize that's against the law, right, and so they charged him.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's and I'm glad you brought that updated.
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Speaker 1: That's that's a salient point because if you if you have,
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Speaker 1: if you suspect somebody, and we see this played out
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Speaker 1: over and over in crimes, and I urge anybody that
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Speaker 1: follows your crime you look for for these individuals that
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Speaker 1: where the police are looking to charge them with something
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Speaker 1: more specific, probably more horrific, and they will on secondary
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Speaker 1: charges to hang on them just so that they can
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Speaker 1: hold them on this. But you know the fact that
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Speaker 1: this was a theft of thousands of dollars. First off,
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Speaker 1: This just the theft alone puts it into the felonious category.
21:15
Speaker 1: So you're talking about a felony that you're being charged
21:17
Speaker 1: with in most states. You know, you look at the
21:20
Speaker 1: way it has been in the past, if you if
21:22
Speaker 1: you steal something of value or like an item, or
21:29
Speaker 1: if you steal steal moneies, and it's over four hundred
21:32
Speaker 1: ninety nine dollars point ninety nine cents. That's that's a
21:36
Speaker 1: felony count. And so every time, every time you go
21:40
Speaker 1: and you withdraw, say for instance, something above that above
21:44
Speaker 1: that level, these would be individual counts that you could
21:49
Speaker 1: credit them with and hold them there. And so you
21:52
Speaker 1: can present us to a magistrate and say, look, you know,
21:55
Speaker 1: look sir, we've got we've got this individual we're charging.
21:59
Speaker 1: He's gotten moremultipley felony offenses that were charging him with.
22:03
Speaker 1: We didn't make sure he doesn't get out of jail.
22:05
Speaker 1: And all the while, in the background, the police are
22:08
Speaker 1: working the case of Crystal, who to this point is missing.
22:13
Speaker 1: You have no idea what's happened to her, but what
22:16
Speaker 1: you do know is that she's being robbed and the
22:22
Speaker 1: individual that robbed her has gone out and purchased items
22:26
Speaker 1: that would be consistent with trying to eradicate any kind
22:31
Speaker 1: of evidence, either of the body or the spilling of blood.
22:35
Speaker 1: And I think that those you know, you couple all
22:37
Speaker 1: of that together. They had to hold this guy, Dave.
22:41
Speaker 2: You know, I was thinking about other crimes we've covered
22:45
Speaker 2: where police ended up charging suspects with other crimes trying
22:49
Speaker 2: to put them on ice a little bit, Yeah, to
22:51
Speaker 2: get to the bottom of it. And what came to
22:53
Speaker 2: mind was Haley Cummings, the little girl who went missing
22:57
Speaker 2: in the middle of the night when he seventeen year
22:59
Speaker 2: old babies that are watching her and her dad and
23:02
Speaker 2: the babysitter of getting married. And anyway, they had them
23:05
Speaker 2: charged with a couple of different crimes along the way,
23:07
Speaker 2: and it was a substantial amount of time. All the while,
23:10
Speaker 2: I thought the charges seemed to be get pushed a
23:12
Speaker 2: little bit to keep them in jail, separated, to get
23:15
Speaker 2: them to talk about what happened to Haley, you know,
23:18
Speaker 2: and that never happened. We still don't know what happened
23:20
Speaker 2: to Haley Cummings. But in this case, we've got a
23:23
Speaker 2: guy who has, by his own admission, admitted to a
23:27
Speaker 2: crime of using his wife's money, her card, her account
23:32
Speaker 2: that he wasn't entitled to because he told them, no,
23:34
Speaker 2: we don't she's not allowed to use mind, I'm not
23:36
Speaker 2: supposed to use hers. So there you go. We're going
23:39
Speaker 2: to lock up for this one. Think about that for
23:41
Speaker 2: a little while.
23:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the motivation behind this is to make sure
23:46
Speaker 1: that you're keeping them off the streets because Okay, let's
23:49
Speaker 1: just say we've already got this gap of tom where
23:51
Speaker 1: Crystal's been missing, right right, I mean we viral on admission.
23:55
Speaker 1: We talked about this in the first segment of our program,
23:59
Speaker 1: where she has been and load these many days, and
24:02
Speaker 1: Lord only knows what has become of her remains at
24:05
Speaker 1: this point in time. Well, let's just say you get
24:09
Speaker 1: this individual incarcerated, you don't hold them, or you decide
24:15
Speaker 1: not to affect an arrest on him early on, where
24:18
Speaker 1: you're just giving him more time because if he knows
24:20
Speaker 1: where she's at, he can continue to do whatever it
24:23
Speaker 1: is that he's doing with cleaning supplies. And so you know,
24:29
Speaker 1: the more time you have where he's out walking the streets,
24:33
Speaker 1: the colder and colder this case becomes. And that's always
24:36
Speaker 1: a problem. But you know what, I think the police
24:42
Speaker 1: happened upon something that would make even the strongest among
24:47
Speaker 1: us shudder in horror. Well, Dave, I want to throw
25:05
Speaker 1: a list out to you, brother and kind of get
25:08
Speaker 1: your reaction to this. All right, So you're a cop, right,
25:13
Speaker 1: you're a detective, and you get your hands on a
25:16
Speaker 1: suspect's phone and you begin to break this thing down
25:20
Speaker 1: to check out what kind of searches they've been doing
25:22
Speaker 1: on the phone. It just bear with me now and
25:25
Speaker 1: listen to this list that I'm going to give to you.
25:32
Speaker 1: You've got on here May twenty eighth, you've got searches
25:36
Speaker 1: relative to gunshot onounes to the chest versus the head.
25:42
Speaker 1: All right, If that's not chilling enough, you get to
25:46
Speaker 1: June eleventh, and you've got a Google search for well
25:50
Speaker 1: a nine millimeter kill an animal if shot to the head,
25:55
Speaker 1: and then on June the twelfth, search for carpet cleaner.
26:01
Speaker 1: He jumped to the twenty third. Hey, here's a question
26:05
Speaker 1: that's been posed in a search engine. Can police get
26:08
Speaker 1: search warrants on Sunday? And Wisconsin? Kind of od? On
26:14
Speaker 1: the twenty fourth of June, search queries included sulfuric acid,
26:18
Speaker 1: including is sulphuric acid flammable? And let's finish it off
26:26
Speaker 1: with this one June twenty fifth, the subject who you
26:33
Speaker 1: now have the possession of his phone, Dave, Wisconsin, missing
26:37
Speaker 1: person alert that was searched out. So you take that
26:41
Speaker 1: in its totality. If you're an investigator, do you start
26:45
Speaker 1: having that little bell go off in your brain? You
26:48
Speaker 1: know that look we might be onto something here, you know,
26:52
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you proofs into pudding man.
26:54
Speaker 2: When he looked up on June twenty third, we know
26:57
Speaker 2: that that was the day that Crystal raw stepmother called
27:03
Speaker 2: police and asked them to do a welfare check because
27:06
Speaker 2: she hadn't seen her, and she had seen Crystal's car,
27:10
Speaker 2: but no sign of Crystal. So June twenty third police
27:16
Speaker 2: do a welfare check, and it's on that date that
27:18
Speaker 2: he searches. Can police get search warrants on a Sunday
27:22
Speaker 2: in Wisconsin? Well, June twenty third is a Sunday, So
27:24
Speaker 2: the very day stepmom reports Crystal missing is the same
27:29
Speaker 2: day her husband as strange though he may be actually searches.
27:34
Speaker 2: Can they get it? Do I have basically, hey, do
27:36
Speaker 2: I have time to clean up anything else before they
27:39
Speaker 2: show up? By the way, I think police can get
27:43
Speaker 2: a search warrant whenever a judge will sign.
27:46
Speaker 1: It any day, and there's always a magistrate standing boss
27:50
Speaker 1: expressly for this purpose. And generally folks might know this,
27:55
Speaker 1: Folks might not know this. There will be what the
27:57
Speaker 1: way this happens? When you go to get a search warrant,
28:00
Speaker 1: there's generally a junior assistant disc attorney that's on call.
28:07
Speaker 1: So the way this works is you under their direction.
28:12
Speaker 1: Because warrants have to be very specific, you can't just
28:16
Speaker 1: can you tell us, explain that a little bit, Joe.
28:18
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know it.
28:19
Speaker 2: Until I started actually covering a lot of crime, I
28:21
Speaker 2: didn't realize what they I thought they could just say,
28:25
Speaker 2: I think Joe Scott Morgan has X y Z in
28:27
Speaker 2: his house and this is why I think it, and
28:29
Speaker 2: the judge goes, okay, and that's not it at all.
28:32
Speaker 2: They actually have to do some very specific crafting of
28:36
Speaker 2: the case. The search warrant alone will tell you what
28:38
Speaker 2: police already know.
28:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, what they already know. It's a big revealed. The
28:42
Speaker 1: old adage, you know, a wide net catches a lot
28:47
Speaker 1: of fish, does not apply to a warrant. You have
28:51
Speaker 1: to be very specific as to what you want, so
28:53
Speaker 1: you can't just say, uh, and that's where our own
28:56
Speaker 1: constitutional protections. You want it, I want to trust me,
28:59
Speaker 1: you want it. You don't want somebody to say, Okay,
29:02
Speaker 1: I'm writing up a search warrant for Dave max home
29:06
Speaker 1: and we're showing up with this piece of paper. Let
29:08
Speaker 1: us in. We're going to search your entire house. Like
29:11
Speaker 1: you know, they can't go in pulling the walls apart
29:14
Speaker 1: and digging into what they refer to as hidden spaces
29:17
Speaker 1: if they're not specifically enumerated in that search warrant. You
29:21
Speaker 1: have to say where you're going to look and what
29:22
Speaker 1: you're looking for. So he has an awareness at least
29:28
Speaker 1: that they're on to him, I think at least. And
29:32
Speaker 1: so if you've back to what I was saying, if
29:34
Speaker 1: you've got like a junior district attorney that's on call,
29:38
Speaker 1: they will be on call. The police can go to
29:40
Speaker 1: that individual and say, here, take your fantasy law degree,
29:43
Speaker 1: look at this warrant that we've written up, and make
29:46
Speaker 1: sure that it passes muster. Because once they take it
29:50
Speaker 1: from them, they're going to take it to the judge,
29:51
Speaker 1: last magistrate. They're going to look at it and they
29:54
Speaker 1: will go over it and they'll say this needs to
29:56
Speaker 1: be corrected, this needs to be need you to expand
30:01
Speaker 1: on this, whatever the case might be, and you have
30:02
Speaker 1: to go back, you might have to do a rewrite
30:04
Speaker 1: on it. It's like it's almost like English class, only
30:09
Speaker 1: there's a lot more at stake here. Okay, So you know,
30:14
Speaker 1: once you get that warrant. You go in there and
30:16
Speaker 1: you begin to search. But here's something that's really chilling, Dave,
30:19
Speaker 1: when you begin to match these dates up. Remember what
30:23
Speaker 1: we said, the last time Crystal was known to be
30:28
Speaker 1: alive was back on jun the eleventh. Well that search,
30:36
Speaker 1: the search for Junior eleventh, that's enumerated here. Now, if
30:39
Speaker 1: this doesn't send a chill up and down your spine,
30:43
Speaker 1: will a nine millimeter kill an animal if shot in
30:46
Speaker 1: the head? Okay, that was searched the same date that
30:51
Speaker 1: she was last known to be alive, you'd jump ahead
30:54
Speaker 1: to the twelfth, and this even gives it more of
30:57
Speaker 1: a chill. He's looking for carpet clean at that point
31:00
Speaker 1: in Tom. So, if we're you know, if we're kind
31:03
Speaker 1: of broadly looking at this thing trying to determine, well,
31:06
Speaker 1: what the heck has happened here, you know, it would
31:09
Speaker 1: lead us to believe at least that she was shot,
31:12
Speaker 1: and then she was shot on a carpeted surface. Now
31:17
Speaker 1: you think about, well, what links are you going to
31:20
Speaker 1: have to go to to clean this mess up? Because
31:23
Speaker 1: you know, we we have the luxury as forensics people.
31:26
Speaker 1: We go into an environment that's kind of frozen in
31:28
Speaker 1: tom for us. Once we've gotten everybody out of let's
31:32
Speaker 1: say it's a standing structure like a home. Once we've
31:35
Speaker 1: gotten that person out of that environment, we lock this
31:39
Speaker 1: thing down and it's frozen. They're not going to get
31:41
Speaker 1: back access to it. And dude, we're you know, whereas
31:45
Speaker 1: you have somebody that flies into a fit of rage
31:47
Speaker 1: to pull out a gun, in this case, it doesn't
31:50
Speaker 1: it sound like flying into a fit of rage. It
31:51
Speaker 1: sounds a bit planned to me. But in any case,
31:54
Speaker 1: you shoot them. Well, you know, when you shoot somebody
31:57
Speaker 1: like this, if you're one of these people that does this,
32:01
Speaker 1: you don't count on the volume of blood you're going
32:03
Speaker 1: to have. You don't count on the mess that you're
32:05
Speaker 1: going to have. So suddenly, this individual, if he is
32:09
Speaker 1: the person that did this, he's looking at a body.
32:14
Speaker 1: They're at his feet and he's got this gigantic mess
32:17
Speaker 1: that he's got to clean up and to boot. It's
32:20
Speaker 1: on a carpeted surface, which makes it even more difficult.
32:24
Speaker 2: When looking at the dates. June eleventh, there at the
32:28
Speaker 2: goodwill store together, seen on video together, and then after
32:31
Speaker 2: that she's not seen again, but he is seen spending
32:33
Speaker 2: her money. That's what landed him in jail. By the way,
32:36
Speaker 2: he was in jail a week after she is reported missing.
32:40
Speaker 2: She's reported missing on June twenty third, or well, that's
32:44
Speaker 2: when they actually started looking for her, and a week
32:47
Speaker 2: later her husband. They've already zeroed in on him. We've
32:50
Speaker 2: always said they always look at the closest person to
32:52
Speaker 2: the individual, and they lock him up on the financial
32:55
Speaker 2: crimes using the card he wasn't entitled to and then
32:58
Speaker 2: buying these cleaning supplies, if acid and whatnot. So it's
33:02
Speaker 2: months later you know they're investigating. And it's interesting because
33:06
Speaker 2: once they had him in the clink, they were able.
33:10
Speaker 2: They went ahead and got a search one for the
33:11
Speaker 2: house June twenty sixth, and there were two different trips
33:16
Speaker 2: out to the property Joe, separated by a couple of days.
33:19
Speaker 2: The first day they get on the property, they find
33:21
Speaker 2: a number of cars. One in particular catches their attention.
33:26
Speaker 2: It's a twenty twenty three Mitsubishi that I'm a little
33:30
Speaker 2: confused on some of the titling here, but it was
33:33
Speaker 2: known to be Crystal's car, and it was parked on
33:38
Speaker 2: the property in such a way that if you were
33:41
Speaker 2: driving by the property, you wouldn't see it.
33:44
Speaker 1: It's obscured from the road.
33:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of a hint to police. Look at
33:50
Speaker 2: this car. Yeah, the floor in the middle of the
33:54
Speaker 2: parking lot is not going to be their main attention.
33:56
Speaker 1: Well, let me tell you how seriously they took it.
34:00
Speaker 1: They loaded this car up and flatbeded it, and so
34:04
Speaker 1: they've gone back. They've taken this car to the Wisconsin
34:06
Speaker 1: State Police Lab where they have a forensics garage. And
34:11
Speaker 1: so when we can take a car into a garage
34:14
Speaker 1: like this, we have everything at our disposal, everything from
34:18
Speaker 1: alternative light sources which you're talking about, like infrared, these
34:22
Speaker 1: sorts of things where we've got these different spectrums of
34:24
Speaker 1: light where we can analyze things, because you know, just
34:29
Speaker 1: a regular household lighting situation is not the most ideal environment.
34:34
Speaker 1: Certainly flashlights aren't to pick up on little nuances. You
34:38
Speaker 1: use the light source that you have and certain things
34:41
Speaker 1: will rise to the top. You might even have to
34:43
Speaker 1: wear special glasses to look through in order to facilitate
34:47
Speaker 1: this analysis. If you're using if you're using certain types
34:52
Speaker 1: of light sources that we utilize in crime seene investments.
34:55
Speaker 2: Is kind of the stuff we see on TV.
34:57
Speaker 1: Then yeah. You see it and they make it and
34:59
Speaker 1: it's very dramatic, you know, Yeah, And I got to
35:01
Speaker 1: tell you it's very boring and it's tedious.
35:02
Speaker 2: When you're going to til you see something explode on
35:04
Speaker 2: the screen.
35:05
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, at that moment time, it's almost you know,
35:08
Speaker 1: it's almost a Eureka moment, but part of you is
35:11
Speaker 1: kind of expecting to see it, and so when you
35:13
Speaker 1: find it, you try to remain as political and detached
35:16
Speaker 1: as you can because you have to document this very,
35:18
Speaker 1: very thoroughly while you have that car. And also, here's
35:21
Speaker 1: the other thing. If you get that car in there
35:23
Speaker 1: and you've got evidence that some type of trauma has
35:26
Speaker 1: taken place in there on any level, you have to
35:30
Speaker 1: make the decision, Well, am I going to cut this
35:33
Speaker 1: piece of carpet out? Am I going to take the
35:35
Speaker 1: headliner out? Am I going to take the entire seat? Dave.
35:37
Speaker 1: I've been in courtrooms where it seems like, piece by
35:41
Speaker 1: piece they brought an entire car into a courtroom. Of
35:43
Speaker 1: course I'm going over the top of that, but every
35:46
Speaker 1: internal element of the car, in the cab of the
35:49
Speaker 1: car has been brought in, steering wheels, gear levers, dashboards, seats, headliners, carpeting, everything,
35:58
Speaker 1: and so after it's been tested, you know, you try
36:02
Speaker 1: to determine first off, what is it. If you're looking
36:05
Speaker 1: for blood, you don't know that that's blood when you
36:07
Speaker 1: see it. Okay, if it's blood, is it human blood
36:10
Speaker 1: or animal blood? If it's human blood, then what type
36:13
Speaker 1: of blood is it? As far as blood typing? And
36:16
Speaker 1: then DNA wise, you go back and you try to
36:20
Speaker 1: determine if this blood belongs to the individual. It might
36:24
Speaker 1: be missing, and so you but you want that car
36:27
Speaker 1: in an environment where you can really go through it
36:29
Speaker 1: with a fine tooth comb. But you know, they had
36:32
Speaker 1: something else, didn't they Dave. They didn't just have the
36:35
Speaker 1: car that they were looking at. They found elements out.
36:39
Speaker 2: They found burn residue. They found burn residue in the yard.
36:42
Speaker 2: And this is what got my attention, Joe, because of
36:45
Speaker 2: a couple of cases that we've done. I knew right away.
36:49
Speaker 2: You know, in a number of places around this great nation,
36:53
Speaker 2: we have burn piles in our yards and fields and
36:55
Speaker 2: things like that.
36:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, but a.
36:57
Speaker 2: Burn pile is different than a burned area. You can
37:03
Speaker 2: tell it my house where the burn pile is right
37:06
Speaker 2: at this particular house, they called it burn residue. Yeah,
37:10
Speaker 2: they could tell there had been a fire here. That
37:14
Speaker 2: to me meant not a burn pit, burn pile, but
37:17
Speaker 2: a fire took place in this spot, not a regular
37:20
Speaker 2: burn place.
37:21
Speaker 1: Yeah.
37:21
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's true or not. It just
37:23
Speaker 2: struck me like that.
37:25
Speaker 1: It's the wording is odd in this particular case. It
37:28
Speaker 1: sounds almost like it was randomized. But here's the thing
37:30
Speaker 1: about it, Dave, is that when they begin to kind
37:33
Speaker 1: of sift through this area, they do begin to turn up.
37:37
Speaker 1: Now they've reached a point now in this investigation where
37:42
Speaker 1: they have had to reach out to a forensic anthropologist.
37:47
Speaker 1: So anytime anytime you do that at a scene, first off,
37:53
Speaker 1: you're either recovering something that you don't know what you
37:57
Speaker 1: are recovering okay as a cop, and generally what will happen.
38:00
Speaker 1: You'll see something odd on the ground and it's one
38:04
Speaker 1: of those moments. It's one of those moments, and I've
38:05
Speaker 1: been part of them several times over my career. It's
38:08
Speaker 1: one of those moments where you say freeze, red light,
38:11
Speaker 1: and everybody freezes, and you say, I don't know what
38:14
Speaker 1: this is. And generally you'll call one of your other
38:16
Speaker 1: colleagues over there to look at it, and somebody will
38:18
Speaker 1: look at you and say, I don't know what that is,
38:22
Speaker 1: but dog on, that looks like bone. It could be
38:25
Speaker 1: charred bone. We need to call the people at the university,
38:28
Speaker 1: and generally, you know, forensic anthropologists. I think a lot
38:32
Speaker 1: of people think that these people have some kind of
38:34
Speaker 1: standalone office that are out there. You know, Hi, you
38:37
Speaker 1: know forensic anthropologists here. It's not the way it works.
38:40
Speaker 1: There's not enough yet, there's not as well there.
38:43
Speaker 2: I'm not Joe, you're I'm not kidding. I thought that
38:46
Speaker 2: the police knowe. Hey, we got here's the guy closest.
38:49
Speaker 2: It's a Sunday call Bill. He's up there in Jacksonville.
38:52
Speaker 2: He can be there in fifteen minutes.
38:53
Speaker 1: It's not like these guys are not They're all. Most
38:57
Speaker 1: of them that you come across work at a university.
39:00
Speaker 1: So they're teaching. They're teaching, they're doing research. That's where
39:04
Speaker 1: you're going to find most of them. Every now and
39:06
Speaker 1: then you might find an independent person that's out there
39:09
Speaker 1: that have kind of gone out on their own. But
39:11
Speaker 1: there's not enough work to, you know, for forensic anthropologists
39:16
Speaker 1: to be able to do these things. Lots of times
39:19
Speaker 1: you'll find them in museums. As a matter of fact,
39:22
Speaker 1: two of the finest in the history of the US
39:25
Speaker 1: forensic anthropologists worked at Smithsonian and so, and that's been
39:30
Speaker 1: portrayed in movies and that sort of thing over the years.
39:33
Speaker 2: You have to go to those types of people to
39:34
Speaker 2: get them to go out into the They're going to
39:35
Speaker 2: go up in this guy's you backyard and sift through
39:38
Speaker 2: his dirt pile or dirt.
39:39
Speaker 1: Let me say something. Forensic anthropologists live for this stuff.
39:43
Speaker 1: This is what they do. Trust me, it is they wait.
39:47
Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of like the firefighter. They're reactive.
39:49
Speaker 1: They're sitting there and they're waiting for the alarm to
39:51
Speaker 1: go off. But you know, here's the thing you were
39:55
Speaker 1: talking about. We're going to call Bill, they're on call
39:58
Speaker 1: or whatever. You do not and I mean, you do
40:01
Speaker 1: not want to be in this position and say who
40:05
Speaker 1: can we call. So most of the time with police departments,
40:10
Speaker 1: they will already have a relationship with these individuals, with
40:13
Speaker 1: forensic anthropologists who are going to study bones or skeletal remains.
40:17
Speaker 1: And then you're going to have a relationship with a
40:19
Speaker 1: forensic odentologist who is a forensic dentist. And this is
40:23
Speaker 1: not somebody where you can just go into the well.
40:26
Speaker 1: I was about to say, go into the yellow pages
40:28
Speaker 1: that don't exist anymore. But Google search these people and
40:31
Speaker 1: they're just around the block. You have to have these relationships,
40:34
Speaker 1: and even with forensic odentologists, which people might find. I
40:39
Speaker 1: don't know, some people might find this kind of off putting,
40:43
Speaker 1: if you will. I've worked with forensic odentologists. The forensic
40:48
Speaker 1: dentist that worked two in particular that were mentors of
40:52
Speaker 1: mine that worked at LSU Dental School School of Dentistry,
40:56
Speaker 1: that were dental professors, but being an odentist was not
41:00
Speaker 1: their full time gig. But you know, I worked with
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Speaker 1: a guy in Atlanta that was our odentologist with the
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Speaker 1: Medical Examiner in Atlanta. Well, he's a he's a private dentist.
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Speaker 1: He's digging people's mouths, cleaning their teeth and filling, doing
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Speaker 1: fillings and extractions and all that stuff. Oh and by
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Speaker 1: the bye, he's also doing forensic odentology where he would
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Speaker 1: go out and examine decomposing human remains and look at
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Speaker 1: the teeth and remove the jaws and do all these
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Speaker 1: sorts of things that those guys do. So they this
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Speaker 1: case actually involves two of these individuals because they found
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Speaker 1: they found what turned out to be bone chips in
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Speaker 1: the area adjacent to where what was that phraseology? You
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Speaker 1: burn site, A burn site, a burned site where you're
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Speaker 1: going to have these what I like to refer to
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Speaker 1: it as you're going to have these kind of deposits
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Speaker 1: of carbon and it'll be black most of the time,
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Speaker 1: and you'll see this this kind of scorched area. I
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Speaker 1: think my question is was this area dugout at all?
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Speaker 1: And if it was dug out, how deep did it go? I, miss,
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Speaker 1: I actually gave you the wrong phrase.
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Speaker 2: Investigators saw burn residue on June twenty sixth Okay, right,
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Speaker 2: it was June thirtieth. That's when they came out there
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Speaker 2: with a medical examiner and other investigators. They revisit the
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Speaker 2: burn residue and they refer to it now as the
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Speaker 2: burn site burn site.
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Speaker 1: And so what they're going to have if they have
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Speaker 1: burn residue, it's pretty clear you're probably going to have
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Speaker 1: what appears to be at least maybe charred wood, charred leaves.
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Speaker 1: There'll be evidence on the ground on the surface area
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Speaker 1: where something hot has count contacted that area to the
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Speaker 1: point where maybe you have grass that was underlying the
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Speaker 1: area that is now scorched. All right, But if you're
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Speaker 1: talking about particulated bone, which sounds like what we're dealing with,
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Speaker 1: like bone chips, Dave, it would take and I know
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Speaker 1: I've mentioned this before, but just hear me out. It
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Speaker 1: would take so much time, and time is what we're
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Speaker 1: dealing with here. It would take so much time to
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Speaker 1: render down a human remain to the point where you
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Speaker 1: could particulate it where you only have bone chips left.
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Speaker 1: I remind our friends that you know, with a crematorium,
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Speaker 1: which is an enclosed oven that has an ongoing natural
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Speaker 1: gas supply, in order to render down an average human body,
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Speaker 1: we're talking fourteen hundred to eighteen hundred degrees fahrenheit, and
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Speaker 1: that's sustained. That sustained. It's the difference between and this
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Speaker 1: is so grotesque, but it is truly the difference between
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Speaker 1: cooking cooking in an oven as opposed to holding something
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Speaker 1: over an open fire and cooking it. So you would
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Speaker 1: and what that means is that this would have been
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Speaker 1: a labor intensive event. If they're trying to render down
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Speaker 1: the body in that spot. And most of the time,
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Speaker 1: once you've rendered down a body, many people will go
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Speaker 1: to the next length, which will mean that they're going
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Speaker 1: to try to particulate the body. They're going to try
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Speaker 1: to break it down and diminish it as greatly as
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Speaker 1: it can. But I think they've the one saving grace here.
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Speaker 1: Going back to our friends in forensic identology, they recovered
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Speaker 1: a tooth, didn't they.
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Speaker 2: Find a tooth? One tooth is all they're saying they found.
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Speaker 2: But they found a tooth.
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Speaker 1: And based on that one tooth, they were able to
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Speaker 1: affect an identification of positive identification of crystal.
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Speaker 2: And that's where we sit today.
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Speaker 1: They've got a tremendous amount of physical evidence in this case.
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Speaker 1: I think that the tale is left to be told
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Speaker 1: as to whether or not Zachariah Roush is going to
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Speaker 1: be found guilty or not guilty. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan
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Speaker 1: and this is body backs