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Sharri | 27 November · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why.
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Speaker 2: On Sky News, This is Sharry.
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Speaker 1: Good Evening, Barnaby Joyce's close friend Matt Canavan gives his
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Speaker 1: reaction to him quitting the Nationals. Canavan has been working
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Speaker 1: overtime to stop his mate from joining One Nation and
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Speaker 1: Canavan is coming up live from Canberra. The Albaneze government's
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Speaker 1: obsession with entitlements is pushing up inflation, with economists now
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Speaker 1: warning we'rein for multiple rate hikes next year. More on
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Speaker 1: that with former Treasury official David Pearl, plus hundreds fear
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Speaker 1: dead in the devastating Hong Kong fire, will get details
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Speaker 1: on how the blaze is believed to have begun and
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Speaker 1: those who've already been arrested, and a tragic shark attack
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Speaker 1: today takes us to the deadliest six years stretch in
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Speaker 1: nearly a century. It's all coming up first Tonightonomists are
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Speaker 1: now forecasting at least two intrast rate hikes next year.
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Speaker 1: It's a whinning that's sending shock waves through households already
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Speaker 1: grappling with relentless cost of living pressures. This after inflation
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Speaker 1: rose again yesterday for the fourth consecutive month, and it's
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Speaker 1: now sitting well above the RBA's target band. Now it's
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Speaker 1: clear the inflation problem is not easing, it's getting worse,
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Speaker 1: and economists from across the spectrum are sounding the alarm.
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Speaker 1: They say this makes rate rises difficult to avoid in
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Speaker 1: the new year.
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Speaker 3: If the RBA was serious about knocking inflation on the head,
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Speaker 3: that just raise rates at the next meeting and probably
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Speaker 3: do forty.
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Speaker 4: The market pricing as of this afternoon was that there
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Speaker 4: is going to be a rate hike rather than a
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Speaker 4: rate cut, as the next move, and of course that's
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Speaker 4: that's bad news for people with home loans.
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Speaker 1: This is despite right the Albanezy government earlier this year
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Speaker 1: claiming that Australia was successfully bringing down inflation. You might
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Speaker 1: remember before the election, Treasurer Jim Chalmers said inflation was
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Speaker 1: coming down faster than expected.
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Speaker 5: Inflation is coming down faster as well. Treasury now expects
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Speaker 5: inflation to be sustainably back in the band six months
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Speaker 5: earlier than anticipated. Because of our collective efforts. The worst
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Speaker 5: is behind us and the economy is now heading in
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Speaker 5: the right direction.
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Speaker 1: And also before the May election, the Prime Minister said
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Speaker 1: Australia had turned a corner on inflation.
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Speaker 6: We have turned the corner there with inflation down to
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Speaker 6: within the reserve being banned.
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Speaker 5: We have had two intrastrate decreases.
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Speaker 1: Yet now here we are with inflation so persistent, where
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Speaker 1: looking at rate rises. Albanesi was basically popping the champagne cox,
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Speaker 1: celebrating the end of the inflation battle and taking it
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Speaker 1: as a sign to spend, spend, spend taxpayer dollars one
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Speaker 1: unnecessary example. The move only designed to buy votes to
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Speaker 1: pay off student hextet. Now there's been no holding back.
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Speaker 1: The Albanese government was ready to blow two billion dollars
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Speaker 1: on a climate summit in Adelaide. There has been no
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Speaker 1: restraint and Albanesi is still putting pressure on charmers to
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Speaker 1: fund universal free childcare. This is a personal legacy project,
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Speaker 1: something he wants for his own ego. He wanted the
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Speaker 1: Voice to be his legacy, but voters rejected that. Now
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Speaker 1: he wants to become the childcare Prime Minister Alexander Downer
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Speaker 1: spoke about this obsession with spending on Chris Kenny earlier.
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Speaker 7: There is an obsession with expanding entuttlements, payments to people,
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Speaker 7: expanding eligibility without taking into consideration the cost.
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Speaker 8: Of doing these things.
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Speaker 9: I mean, it's all very well if the economy is
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Speaker 9: growing robustly if business is investing heavily and making substantial
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Speaker 9: profits from their investments, driving economic growth.
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Speaker 7: But growth has almost ground completely to a hold.
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Speaker 1: There's no question this government is running a big spending agenda.
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Speaker 1: Economists wan it's exactly the kind of irresponsible vote winning
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Speaker 1: spending that's fueling inflation. It's now leading to calls for
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Speaker 1: the Albanezy government to make serious spending cuts to stop
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Speaker 1: this resurgent inflation. Journalist Jeff Chambers in The Australian reports
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Speaker 1: that bureaucracies ballooned and spending growth has surged to record
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Speaker 1: levels that economists one will keep inflation stubbornly high and
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Speaker 1: stymy rate cuts. The International Monetary Fund and the OECD
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Speaker 1: are both OsO warning governments need to show fiscal discipline.
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Speaker 1: But with the management of the energy system, electricity bills
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Speaker 1: are going to continue to rise for the foreseeable future.
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Speaker 1: It's a topic ABC host Sarah Ferguson pressed Chris Bonon
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Speaker 1: last night.
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Speaker 10: High electricity prices and the impact that those prices are
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Speaker 10: having on inflation is really the Achilles heel of this government.
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Speaker 10: When can you promise relief for households and businesses? Let
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Speaker 10: me just come back to that bill question, because if
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Speaker 10: we're in a situation in the new year when those
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Speaker 10: the prices of people's power bills are not coming down,
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Speaker 10: there's going to be a clamoring call for more power,
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Speaker 10: for more bill relief ruling it out. Are we in
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Speaker 10: a position now where the success really of the Albanesi
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Speaker 10: government is dependent on you bringing down those energy bills.
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Speaker 10: Not to put too fine a point on it, but
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Speaker 10: that's the question.
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Speaker 1: And in the final parliamentary sitting day for the year,
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Speaker 1: Opposition leader Susan Lee seized on this narrative in question
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Speaker 1: time today.
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Speaker 11: In his self described year of delivery, and after three
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Speaker 11: and a half years of labor, the Prime Minister has
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Speaker 11: delivered the largest decline in living standards in the developed world.
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Speaker 11: Lower productivity, more debt, higher inflation and now, as many
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Speaker 11: economists warn, the real prospect of higher interest rates, Prime
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Speaker 11: Minister on this final sitting day of twenty twenty five,
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Speaker 11: will the Prime Minister finally take responsibility for all these failures?
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Speaker 1: So this is Australia's economic reality. We now face sticky inflation,
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Speaker 1: interest rate rises, are housing supply crisis, electricity prices soaring
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Speaker 1: thirty seven percent in a year and mounting cost of
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Speaker 1: living pressures against this backdrop. Instead of cutting spending to
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Speaker 1: reduce inflation, Albanezi is focused on cementing his own legacy,
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Speaker 1: his prioritizing his own place in the history books, instead
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Speaker 1: of cutting spending, getting down inflation and making life easier
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Speaker 1: for families. Families are already under great financial strain, and
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Speaker 1: that's before rates rise again next year. This is a
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Speaker 1: terrifying prospect and the economic conditions that we're now seeing
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Speaker 1: could force the country to tip into a recession. We'll
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Speaker 1: come back to that topic shortly with former Treasury Secretary
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Speaker 1: but now Barnaby Joyce today quit the National Party after
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Speaker 1: thirty years, but he did stop shot of joining one nation.
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Speaker 1: His longtime friends and colleagues in the Nationals are incredibly frustrated.
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Speaker 1: They're angry at what they see as his obsession with
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Speaker 1: the spotlight. For close to five weeks, there's been a
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Speaker 1: drip feed saga, the will he won't he leave the party.
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Speaker 1: Barnaby Joyce dragged it out until the final sitting day
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Speaker 1: of the year before announcing this.
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Speaker 3: Apart from a ninety second phone conversation with the leader,
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Speaker 3: I've had no communication with either the leader of the
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Speaker 3: National Party or the deputy Leader of the National Party
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Speaker 3: to try and resolve this. So, after thirty years with
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Speaker 3: the National Party, I am resigning from the party that
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Speaker 3: really leads me with the heavy heart, and I apologize
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Speaker 3: for all the hurt that that will cause. And what
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Speaker 3: I have to do if I'm going to continue on
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Speaker 3: that fight is get myself into a better position than
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Speaker 3: the ejection chair at the back bench of the coalition
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Speaker 3: in opposition.
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Speaker 1: Yet, even after this long awaited announcement, the Barnaby Show
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Speaker 1: isn't over. There's still the question of whether he'll run
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Speaker 1: for One Nation or be an independent at the next election.
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Speaker 1: His original reason for considering quitting the Nationals was because
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Speaker 1: they were still supporting net zero, but now the party
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Speaker 1: has dumped its support of net zero and Joyce's excuse
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Speaker 1: for leaving has changed, he says today, because he's on
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Speaker 1: the backbench and that tells you everything. This isn't about
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Speaker 1: policy or substance. It's about him not being a team player.
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Speaker 1: Matt Canavan, who's been one of Joyce's closest allies over
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Speaker 1: the years and closest friends, He's going to be on
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Speaker 1: the show shortly but he's summed it up bluntly this week.
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Speaker 2: It's turning into a longer saga than days of our lives.
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Speaker 2: So I think people are all sick and tired of it.
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Speaker 1: But we shouldn't be surprised. Joyce's very popular with voters,
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Speaker 1: despite the fact his parliamentary career has been riddled with
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Speaker 1: self inflicted scandals. There was the Bundle of Joyce saga
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Speaker 1: when he had a baby with his former media advisor
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Speaker 1: that dominated the media cycle for weeks because he kept
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Speaker 1: kicking it along. He stunned even hardened political observers when
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Speaker 1: he volunteered that there might have been a gray area
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Speaker 1: over whether he was actually the biological father of the baby.
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Speaker 1: He just kept giving the scandal new life as it
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Speaker 1: was starting to die down. Then fast forward to last
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Speaker 1: year and Joyce made headlines when he was filmed lying
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Speaker 1: on his back on a camera footpath in a suit,
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Speaker 1: swearing into his phone, belligerent and drunk. He later said
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Speaker 1: he'd mixed prescription medication with alcohol, called it a big
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Speaker 1: mistake and embarrassing. But when people in the Nationals, and
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Speaker 1: that's politicians in the Nationals, say that their ex austed
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Speaker 1: by the circus this is what they mean. Whenever the
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Speaker 1: spotlight moves away, Joyce is always right behind it, trying
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Speaker 1: to catch up. And now we're here again, with Barnaby
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Speaker 1: flirting with One Nation, whining and dining, Pauline Hanson in
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Speaker 1: her offers, eating Waggy's steak cooked on a sandwich press
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Speaker 1: under the portrait of Pauline right in the middle of
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Speaker 1: her latest burker controversy. It's theater, but is it serving
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Speaker 1: the voters? And his friends appear to have had enough.
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Speaker 1: Former National Senator John Wacker Williams, a man who helped
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Speaker 1: Barnaby raise money, recruit numbers, run campaigns, privately texted him
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Speaker 1: this message, Barnaby, after twenty years of political friendship, if
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Speaker 1: you join One Nation, then you will make me a
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Speaker 1: political enemy. I'll have to hold you in the same
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Speaker 1: regard as Tony windsor your call. And then there's Bridget
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Speaker 1: McKenzie herself, a former Nationals leader, also warning Barnaby to
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Speaker 1: think carefully about his next move.
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Speaker 12: He's actually done serious things and his legacy is significant
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Speaker 12: that will be trashed if he goes to One Nation.
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Speaker 1: So these are his own colleagues. Joyce wants to cast
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Speaker 1: his resignation from the Nationals as a noble stand that
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Speaker 1: he's been silenced, sidelined, unfairly treated by a party he
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Speaker 1: gave three decades too. But he's not leaving over a
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Speaker 1: matter of principle or policy. He's leaving because he doesn't
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Speaker 1: like the leader and there's no future for him at
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Speaker 1: least under the current leader on the front bench, and
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Speaker 1: because perhaps most of all, he can't bear the idea
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Speaker 1: of fading quietly into the background and not being in
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Speaker 1: the headlines. All right, I'll get Matt Canavan's reaction to
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Speaker 1: that a bit later. Joining us now from a Liberal
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Speaker 1: senator Holly Hughes and Sky News host kayleb Bond. Great
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Speaker 1: to see you both, cayleb Went. Even his closest friends
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Speaker 1: like Matt Canavan and John Wacker Williams are sending messages
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Speaker 1: like this. You really do get the sense that many
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Speaker 1: in the Coalition and particularly in the Nationals are utterly
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Speaker 1: fed up with these tactics.
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Speaker 6: Well, I think they're probably also upseted at just the
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Speaker 6: side show that it creates for the party. But if
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Speaker 6: what Barnaby said today is true, which is that you
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Speaker 6: Peter Dalton asked him twice to leave the coalition that
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Speaker 6: he's been told you know, we need generational change. In
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Speaker 6: other words, it's time for you to bugger off Barnaby
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Speaker 6: at a time when he is still a successful and
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Speaker 6: popular retail politician. I can kind of understand why he's
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Speaker 6: got the you know what's with the party. I mean
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Speaker 6: the point you make about disappearing quietly into the background.
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Speaker 6: You don't necessarily want to do that when you are
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Speaker 6: still in the game. And I think Barnaby is still
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Speaker 6: in the game. He certainly thinks he's still in the game,
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Speaker 6: and he's positioning himself in a place where he can
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Speaker 6: perhaps stay in the game. And if he were to
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Speaker 6: go to one nation and run as a senator in Queensland,
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Speaker 6: I have no doubt he would still be in the game.
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Speaker 1: But you draw a contrast between Matt Canavan and Barnaby Joyce.
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Speaker 1: Matt Canavan is on the backbench because he chooses to be.
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Speaker 1: He is making news multiple times a week because of policy,
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Speaker 1: because of issues like net zero that he's campaigning for
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Speaker 1: and arguing for, not because he's deciding whether to leave
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Speaker 1: a party or some other personal scandal. Holly Hughes, let's
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Speaker 1: bring you in what do you think about this?
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Speaker 13: Look, I'm really torn because I do understand Barnaby's position.
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Speaker 13: You know, I resigned from the Liberal Party. God it
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Speaker 13: feels like three years ago, but I think it was
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Speaker 13: only a week ago. But I did so over a
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Speaker 13: policy position after I saw out my tenure and six
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Speaker 13: months after the election, and because I was sick of
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Speaker 13: the ser but it was one that I wanted to
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Speaker 13: be able to commentate without fear or favor about. I
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Speaker 13: think it is really sad, though, when someone who has
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Speaker 13: been a leader of a party gets to a point
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Speaker 13: where they feel that they're unable to contribute to that
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Speaker 13: party anymore.
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Speaker 8: And you know, I've learned it. Lots of us in
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Speaker 8: politics have learned it.
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Speaker 13: The one thing we know is loyalty literally only ever
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Speaker 13: goes one way. You can give your life to a
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Speaker 13: political party and they will absolutely turf you out with
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Speaker 13: the trash in two and a half minutes and never
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Speaker 13: look back. And you know, so I understand where Bunny's
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Speaker 13: coming from. I also understand how his colleagues feel. I
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Speaker 13: think it's been incredibly poorly managed when you look at
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Speaker 13: what Barnaby has said about David little Crown and Kevin
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Speaker 13: Hoygan perhaps not even reaching out him as leader and
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Speaker 13: Deputy Leader of the National Party when this has been
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Speaker 13: going on for five weeks. It's not like Barnaby said
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Speaker 13: it at the beginning of the week and ended at
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Speaker 13: the end of this week. It's been going now for
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Speaker 13: a substance actual period of time, and if any senses
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Speaker 13: needed to be meanted, they should have been.
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Speaker 8: Done by now.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is another side of it, as you just say,
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Speaker 1: you know, the national leadership David Little proud at the moment.
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Speaker 1: You know, perhaps had he given Barnaby Joyce a front
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Speaker 1: bench position, perhaps you know, they would still have that
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Speaker 1: extra seat in the Parliament where we don't know how
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Speaker 1: that would have played out. He might have resigned anyway.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's turn now to this tragic story from
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Speaker 1: the mid North coast of New South Wales today. A
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Speaker 1: young Swiss woman killed in a shark attack and her
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Speaker 1: friend was critically injured. This all has happened during the
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Speaker 1: deadliest six year stretch for shark fatalities in nearly a century,
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Speaker 1: and critics are demanding tougher action to prevent more attacks. Now,
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Speaker 1: according to the Telegraph, they've been thirteen shark attack shark
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Speaker 1: attacks nationally this year and five of those were fatal.
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Speaker 1: So Caleb, this was a remote, unpatrolled beach. But it
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Speaker 1: also comes as you know, we're seeing this trend and
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Speaker 1: as the state government in New South Wales is doing
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Speaker 1: this trial where they remove shark nets, which would be
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Speaker 1: really troubling families. They want to know when they go
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Speaker 1: to the beach with their kids over the summer period
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Speaker 1: that they're going to be safe.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I mean we should take every precaution available.
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Speaker 6: And look, I don't profess to be an expert on
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Speaker 6: what works best in that situation. Obviously, if it's an
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Speaker 6: unmonitored beach, you accept there is some risk when you
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Speaker 6: go into the water that things like this can happen.
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Speaker 6: But if it is finding that shark and killing it,
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Speaker 6: culling it, if it's having an overall shark cul if
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Speaker 6: it is keeping sharkknits on beaches where they are currently used,
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Speaker 6: which I think is a no brainer. We also have
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Speaker 6: smart drum lines, all these other things available to us.
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Speaker 6: Now we should be using a combination of all of them,
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Speaker 6: because I don't care what the greenies say about Oh,
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Speaker 6: you know, the water is the shark's home and you
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Speaker 6: go in the water yet, bit, No, well you should
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Speaker 6: just accept that you lost your leg, little Johnny. No,
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Speaker 6: we rose to the top of the tree. We are
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Speaker 6: the apex predator. Evolution has made us, so we go
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Speaker 6: in the water. We're allowed to go in the water,
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Speaker 6: and we're allowed to restrict other animals movement, kill other animals,
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Speaker 6: so we can go in the water. Simple as that.
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Speaker 1: I personally do not understand the hand ringing over the
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Speaker 1: shark nets. Have the shark nets there make people not
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Speaker 1: just be safe, but feel safe when they're swimming, And
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Speaker 1: of course that wouldn't apply in this scenario because it's
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Speaker 1: such a remote beach. But I just do not understand
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Speaker 1: why the Men's government is progressing with this trial where
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Speaker 1: they want to remove shark nets.
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Speaker 8: Holly, what do you think it's left wing Greens, blue nests.
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Speaker 8: We should absolutely have the shark nets.
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Speaker 13: But the reality is, I mean, is this a generation
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Speaker 13: that did not watch Jaws. I mean, we all know
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Speaker 13: you don't swim at dusk, or you don't swim at dawn,
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Speaker 13: particularly on unpatrolled beaches in areas that aren't protected by
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Speaker 13: things like shark nets.
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Speaker 8: I mean, that is the peak time for shark tax
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Speaker 8: to occur.
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Speaker 13: I mean, Caleb, listening to you, I've got a vision
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Speaker 13: of you in bodies and I'm guessing a rashy at times.
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Speaker 6: I mean, no, no, no, I think your rashing.
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Speaker 8: Would be a color of it would distract all sharks.
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Speaker 14: That chast here is out.
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Speaker 6: Don't worry about that.
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Speaker 13: But no, look, I mean the shark net debate is ridiculous.
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Speaker 13: It absolutely should be. You know, this is I don't
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Speaker 13: know what means it's trying to do. If you've got
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Speaker 13: families down at Bondai or Tamarama or man.
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Speaker 8: Like, absolutely you should have the shark nets.
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Speaker 1: I think I should having the death. I'm just being
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Speaker 1: reminded that after the last death, you know, the father
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Speaker 1: who was killed on the Northern Beaches and paused the trial.
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Speaker 1: So it's not completely counseled, that just paused it for
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Speaker 1: the meantime. No, it's a worry, and you know, I
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Speaker 1: think we need to know more about why there is
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Speaker 1: this increasing training to this year. In twenty twenty five,
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Speaker 1: let's turn out to the horrific scene near the White House.
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Speaker 1: Two National Guard troops ambushed and shot, leaving them in
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Speaker 1: critical condition. President Trump has called it an act of
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Speaker 1: terror by an Afghan national who entered the United States
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. Here's what Trump had to say.
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Speaker 14: The Department of Homeland Security is confident that the suspect
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Speaker 14: and custody is a foreigner who entered our country from Afghanistan,
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Speaker 14: a hellhole on Earth. We must now re examine every
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Speaker 14: single alien who has entered our country from Afghanistan under Baden,
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Speaker 14: and we must take all necessary measures to ensure the
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Speaker 14: removal of any alien from any country who does not
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Speaker 14: belong here.
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Speaker 1: So, Caleb, you know, Trump is now calling for a
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Speaker 1: full reinvestigation of the Afghan entrance under the Biden administration.
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Speaker 1: What do you think of that move?
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Speaker 6: I think that's fair enough. I mean, we saw a
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Speaker 6: very similar thing in the UK recently where it came
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Speaker 6: out that I think there was a big leak of
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Speaker 6: the names of all the people who've been brought over
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Speaker 6: from Afghanistan into the UK in the midst of the
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Speaker 6: war ending. And look, I think there is a responsibility
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Speaker 6: for nations like the US to resettle people in Afghanistan
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Speaker 6: who helped the US during the war over there, because
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Speaker 6: of course, under the rule of the Taliban, again, it's
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Speaker 6: pretty much guaranteed that they would be dead, So we
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Speaker 6: do have a responsibility to them. But when you have
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Speaker 6: millions of people taking advantage of that scheme and coming in,
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Speaker 6: you can quite legitimately ask the question how closely did
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Speaker 6: we look at the particulars of each of those people
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Speaker 6: and are all of those people right to be living
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Speaker 6: in the US at the moment, particularly when you've just
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Speaker 6: had one of them go and attack critically injure with
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Speaker 6: a gun two members of the National Guard. I don't
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Speaker 6: think there's anything wrong with doing what he's doing.
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Speaker 1: Should be doing it everywhere, Hollywood, do you think, because
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Speaker 1: there are a lot of shootings in the United States
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Speaker 1: that are by Americans, not just immigrants as well.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 13: But look, if for anyone that knows DC and knows
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Speaker 13: where K three D is in northwest of DC, it's
21:59
Speaker 13: right part of that area around the capital. It's absolutely
22:05
Speaker 13: an incredibly busy part of Washington, DC. And I think
22:09
Speaker 13: the call that they've made that this is a possible
22:11
Speaker 13: terror attack is probably correct.
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Speaker 8: But we need to look at our own immigration system.
22:17
Speaker 13: You know, how many did we bring in for Gaza
22:20
Speaker 13: without appropriate checks? And this is the problem when you
22:23
Speaker 13: have left wing governments who are falling over themselves to
22:26
Speaker 13: bring in immigrants to the country with zero profit checks
22:30
Speaker 13: and balances in place to make sure that we're getting
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Speaker 13: the right people with the ability to share our values
22:37
Speaker 13: coming into our country. So this just isn't a problem
22:40
Speaker 13: for the US, It isn't just a problem for the UK.
22:43
Speaker 8: We're probably a few years behind them.
22:45
Speaker 13: But we've got the Albanesi government stepping up its immigration plan,
22:49
Speaker 13: and not skilled migration, not the immigrants we need to
22:53
Speaker 13: boost productivity in this country, but an expansion of their
22:57
Speaker 13: left wing ideology trying.
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Speaker 8: To bring in the people that.
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Speaker 13: They I don't know whether you're ridden or whatever their
23:02
Speaker 13: issue is, but I don't think and I'm sure many
23:04
Speaker 13: Australians have concerns that they're not being bought in with
23:07
Speaker 13: their correct checks being put into place.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the Albaneze government claims they did do proper
23:13
Speaker 1: security vetting of the guards and cohort, but we did
23:17
Speaker 1: hear evidence from various officials at estimates that it was
23:21
Speaker 1: fast visits, that it was fast tracked. And now of
23:25
Speaker 1: course there were meant to be tourist visas, but you
23:27
Speaker 1: don't see Tony Burke moving to send anyone back to Garza.
23:31
Speaker 1: Now that there's a ceasefire, well, let's turned to the
23:34
Speaker 1: so called miserable ghost, Malcolm Turnbull. He turned what should
23:38
Speaker 1: have been a polite and respectful portrait unveiling into a
23:42
Speaker 1: spray at his own side of politics. I mean, what's new.
23:46
Speaker 1: And this was in front of Susan Lee on a
23:48
Speaker 1: day when the Coalition was already reeling from failing to
23:51
Speaker 1: strike a deal with Labor on environmental reforms. His Turnbull
23:56
Speaker 1: taking aim at the party.
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Speaker 4: It's an interesting now that we're still having the same
24:03
Speaker 4: insane conversations on the right of politics about energy. I mean,
24:10
Speaker 4: it really is ludicrous. When I was Prime Minister, I
24:12
Speaker 4: used to say tediously, and I'm sure to everyone who
24:15
Speaker 4: listen to me, energy policy should be determined by engineering
24:18
Speaker 4: and economics, not ideology and idiocy. There's still, you know,
24:22
Speaker 4: reality denial, physics denial is still all alive. You know,
24:29
Speaker 4: she's dealt quite a few of the cards in the
24:32
Speaker 4: hand herself, right.
24:35
Speaker 1: So that was turmbul there. He was asked about, you know,
24:38
Speaker 1: whether Susan Lee has been dealt a tough hand of cards,
24:42
Speaker 1: so to speak. Didn't hear the question there? And he
24:45
Speaker 1: says she has dealt some of those cards herself. So
24:48
Speaker 1: he's blaming her at this time when she's really anyone,
24:53
Speaker 1: even her biggest critics would say she has taken on
24:56
Speaker 1: the leadership at a very difficult time. I mean, that
24:58
Speaker 1: was not gracious at all. And then of course there
25:01
Speaker 1: was the swipe. You might have seen this already, his
25:04
Speaker 1: line about conservatives at chasing approval yet again trying to
25:07
Speaker 1: blame us on Sky News.
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Speaker 4: There are a group of people there by now I
25:12
Speaker 4: think essentially majority who think the object of politics is
25:17
Speaker 4: to win the approval of a relatively narrow part of
25:21
Speaker 4: the what you might call the right wing media, you know,
25:24
Speaker 4: the sky and Sky up the dark and you know
25:27
Speaker 4: fellow travelers in social media and radio, and so they're
25:32
Speaker 4: running on culturalar issues, on reality denial. You know, that's
25:38
Speaker 4: it's like, it's really sad.
25:41
Speaker 1: I mean, the only thing that's sad Caleb is that
25:44
Speaker 1: he's still so bitter after all this time. And I
25:47
Speaker 1: mean that just showed that he can't move on. Why
25:49
Speaker 1: couldn't he be you know, an elegant former statesman, former
25:52
Speaker 1: prime minister who turns up for his portrait unveiling and
25:55
Speaker 1: doesn't take a crack at anyone Hello.
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Speaker 6: To the miserable ghosts tonight. I'm sure you are, But sir,
26:02
Speaker 6: you are a bit loco. I mean, the problem is
26:05
Speaker 6: that he is standing there criticizing Susan Lee, who you
26:10
Speaker 6: would think, of all the potential people to lead the
26:12
Speaker 6: Liberal Party is the closest to him ideologically. So who
26:16
Speaker 6: does he think would be better? Does he want Andrew Hasty?
26:19
Speaker 6: Does he want Angus Taylor? No, he wants Malcolm Turnbull.
26:23
Speaker 6: That's the problem. He doesn't think there is anyone on
26:27
Speaker 6: the face of the planet who could do the job
26:29
Speaker 6: better than him.
26:31
Speaker 1: Well, Holly, what about that comment? So when he was asked,
26:35
Speaker 1: you know about Susan Lee, the hand that she's been dealt,
26:38
Speaker 1: hasn't she been dealt a difficult hand? And yet he
26:41
Speaker 1: twisted the knife in further.
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Speaker 13: Oh isn't it just delightful how much Susan's copying from
26:47
Speaker 13: absolutely everywhere.
26:49
Speaker 8: She's had a great couple of weeks, and yet.
26:52
Speaker 13: Wherever she turns, whatever corner of the Liberal Party it is,
26:56
Speaker 13: they call out of.
26:57
Speaker 8: They cannot wait to have a crack adder.
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Speaker 13: I mean, honestly, you know Malcolm's point, we should have
27:02
Speaker 13: energy policy designed by engineers and scientists, not ideology, ideology
27:07
Speaker 13: and idiocy. I'd like to see energy policy not driven
27:10
Speaker 13: by investors into renewable energy, which is live. We're in
27:14
Speaker 13: this absolutely obscene situation at the moment. We've now got
27:18
Speaker 13: an epp SEE that's going to fast track all of
27:22
Speaker 13: these renewable projects overrull and regional areas where they don't
27:27
Speaker 13: want them, where the rate of return is absolutely.
27:29
Speaker 8: Diminishing at a rapid rate. They're not going to be
27:32
Speaker 8: that successful.
27:33
Speaker 13: It'll just be interesting even if they get the environmental
27:37
Speaker 13: approvals that these government is so determined to make sure
27:40
Speaker 13: they receive, whether or not they'll get the final funding decisions,
27:44
Speaker 13: because everyone I'm still talking into the sector is saying
27:48
Speaker 13: that these renewable projects just do not start.
27:51
Speaker 1: Up, all right, Hally Hughes Calebon, great to see you,
27:55
Speaker 1: Thank you, and let's return now to the inflation figures,
27:58
Speaker 1: and joining me is far Assistant Treasury Secretary David Pearl. David,
28:02
Speaker 1: great to see you again. I want to get your view.
28:05
Speaker 1: So we've seen now inflation rise for consecutive months. Are
28:10
Speaker 1: you expecting that rates will rise as a result next year?
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Speaker 15: Thanks for having me on, Sharry. Look, I don't like
28:18
Speaker 15: to make definite interest rate predictions. A lot of private
28:22
Speaker 15: sector economists have got egg on their face after predicting
28:26
Speaker 15: multiple rate cuts this year. But let me say this.
28:29
Speaker 15: What we do know for sure is that inflation, both
28:33
Speaker 15: in headline and underlying terms, is now above target, and
28:37
Speaker 15: in fact, inflationary pressures have been building for some time now.
28:41
Speaker 15: The risk that Michelle Bullock and the RBA board face
28:45
Speaker 15: is that consumer and producer inflation expectations could become unanchored.
28:50
Speaker 15: What that means is that they start to factor in
28:53
Speaker 15: the higher inflation we're now experiencing into their pricing behavior,
28:59
Speaker 15: which will itself fuel further inflation. So I think what
29:02
Speaker 15: Michelle on the board have to do is recognize that
29:05
Speaker 15: they've taken the eye off the ball with inflation, which
29:08
Speaker 15: is their most important job, and they may have to
29:11
Speaker 15: act decisively early next year, if not in December, to
29:17
Speaker 15: put a check on potential inflationary expectations.
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Speaker 1: SOT And you just said they may have to act
29:23
Speaker 1: decisively as early as December.
29:27
Speaker 15: Well that's a possibility because I do think Michelle and
29:30
Speaker 15: the board have been quite lax with inflation. Let's recount
29:34
Speaker 15: the history, Charry, which I know you're aware of yeah,
29:36
Speaker 15: that coming out of the pandemic, we had an inflationary crisis,
29:40
Speaker 15: and Michelle on the board said let's protect full employment
29:43
Speaker 15: and go easy on inflation, and as a result, we
29:46
Speaker 15: had higher inflation for longer than other OCD countries. And
29:50
Speaker 15: then this year, on the eve of the election, Michelle
29:53
Speaker 15: and the board cut the cashwright prematurely, underlying inflation had
29:58
Speaker 15: not returned to target, it hadn't returned to target in
30:01
Speaker 15: a sustainable way, and now they have egg on their faces.
30:04
Speaker 15: So what I'm saying, Shari, is that they may have
30:07
Speaker 15: to jump ahead what the market is expecting in order
30:11
Speaker 15: to regain some of that lost credibilities.
30:13
Speaker 1: So we could be looking at a rate hike next
30:16
Speaker 1: month Christmas.
30:17
Speaker 15: I'm not saying December necessarily. At the very least, the
30:20
Speaker 15: board will have to put out a very strong statement
30:22
Speaker 15: in December. I think it would have to be a
30:24
Speaker 15: Meeta Coulper saying that that made some important judgment calls
30:29
Speaker 15: wrong and that inflation was well above target. It's not
30:32
Speaker 15: just energy subsidies, it's across the board. So the genie
30:35
Speaker 15: is out of the bottle, and as we know from
30:39
Speaker 15: Philip Low, credibility can disappear very very quickly if you
30:42
Speaker 15: get calls wrong.
30:43
Speaker 1: As a central bank governor, m because I thought we'd
30:47
Speaker 1: we have had the final board meeting, haven't we. They're
30:49
Speaker 1: not going to meet again to raise rates this year.
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Speaker 15: They're going to meet in two weeks I think.
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Speaker 1: In okay, December, all right. Just in terms of how
30:57
Speaker 1: much of this inflation spike is down to the labor
31:00
Speaker 1: government's refusal to rain in spending, how much is down
31:04
Speaker 1: to the electricity price problem, which we know has Electricity
31:08
Speaker 1: prices have risen thirty seven percent just in the past year.
31:14
Speaker 1: Do these two factors play a large role in the
31:16
Speaker 1: inflation surge we're seeing?
31:20
Speaker 15: They do, But there's no doubt that electricity rebates coming
31:25
Speaker 15: off is affecting inflation. But if you look at the
31:28
Speaker 15: CPI in the year to October, you've got above target
31:33
Speaker 15: rises in prices across the board, food, housing, recreation, So
31:39
Speaker 15: it's not just energy bill rebates. Government spending is definitely
31:43
Speaker 15: playing a role. I think the major factor, however, is
31:47
Speaker 15: the fact that we've had three interest rate cuts this
31:49
Speaker 15: year when the economy was already at full employment, already
31:52
Speaker 15: at full capacity, and the RBA Board and Michelle Bullock
31:57
Speaker 15: underestimated the consumer and firm response to that, So firms
32:02
Speaker 15: are now passing on higher energy and labor costs to
32:06
Speaker 15: consumers because spending is picking up. So I think that's
32:09
Speaker 15: the main factor. If Jim Chalmers was a real treasurer
32:12
Speaker 15: and not just a commentator, he would be taking some
32:16
Speaker 15: of the pressure off public spending. But that's just not
32:18
Speaker 15: within his capabilities. In fact, he's probably thinking right now,
32:23
Speaker 15: Shari about extending the energy bill subsidies and offering more
32:26
Speaker 15: cost of living relief. That's not a recipe for bringing
32:30
Speaker 15: inflation down. That's what third world countries do to fight inflation.
32:34
Speaker 15: It just disguises inflation, as we've seen with the energy subsidies.
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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, all right, David Pearl, really appreciate your time.
32:41
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. So worry that's for sure. All right.
32:45
Speaker 1: Still to come back, Canavan will join me live to
32:47
Speaker 1: give his reaction to Parnabe Joyce plus a wild road
32:50
Speaker 1: rage incident in Melbourne just meters from a police station.
32:54
Speaker 1: That's next. Welcome back, and just on that. The final
33:02
Speaker 1: IBA board meeting for the year is December eight to nine.
33:05
Speaker 1: So according to what we just heard from the former
33:08
Speaker 1: assistant Treasury Secretary, it is possible that there's a rate
33:12
Speaker 1: hike then pre Christmas. That would be devastating for families
33:17
Speaker 1: and a sign of just how badly the Albanese government
33:20
Speaker 1: has mismanaged the economy this year. All right, let's turn
33:24
Speaker 1: now to these wild scenes in Melbourne's North an alleged
33:27
Speaker 1: road rage chase with cars on the wrong side of
33:29
Speaker 1: the road, and then a young man allegedly stabbed with
33:33
Speaker 1: a kitchen knife, all of this meters from a police
33:37
Speaker 1: station while officers were inside. Joining me now to discuss
33:41
Speaker 1: as the Victorian Shadow Health Minister Georgie Crazier. Georgie, thanks
33:44
Speaker 1: for your time. I mean this kind of assault in
33:47
Speaker 1: broad daylight, right outside a police station. This is getting
33:51
Speaker 1: all too common now in Victoria. What needs to be done, Chary?
33:55
Speaker 12: These brazen crimes that are happening almost on a daily basis.
33:59
Speaker 12: As you see, it's completely out of control with crime,
34:05
Speaker 12: and it's because the Allen Labor government have lost control
34:08
Speaker 12: of community safety, have no answers in fixing this crisis,
34:13
Speaker 12: and as a result, we're seeing these brazen crimes happen
34:16
Speaker 12: every single day.
34:17
Speaker 1: They're very serious.
34:18
Speaker 12: Crimes and they're happening right outside police stations with no
34:23
Speaker 12: regard to law and or or authority. And that's just
34:25
Speaker 12: this state of Victoria at the moment. There's just no
34:28
Speaker 12: regard for law and or and the crime crisis is
34:32
Speaker 12: just getting worse by the day.
34:34
Speaker 1: You had a special Shadow Cabinet meeting today, domestic violence
34:38
Speaker 1: squarely at the center of the agenda. This, of course
34:41
Speaker 1: is Victoria's new opposition leader, Jess Wilson's one of her
34:45
Speaker 1: first moves she's pushing for. She's pushing to criminalize coercive control.
34:49
Speaker 1: So this is patterns of controlling and manipulative behavior. Why
34:55
Speaker 1: is Jess starting with this issue as one of her
34:58
Speaker 1: top priorities?
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Speaker 12: Well sary, getting the budget under control is Jess's top priority.
35:06
Speaker 12: But this issue has been in the making for many months.
35:09
Speaker 12: Our Shadow Minister Responsible, Cindy McLeish has been working on
35:14
Speaker 12: this policy and it just coincides with the annual walk
35:19
Speaker 12: against Family Violence that is scheduled for tomorrow. So it's
35:22
Speaker 12: nothing untoward. It's not something that is taking the huge
35:27
Speaker 12: amount of focus budget getting the budget under control so
35:30
Speaker 12: that we can deal with these issues, but it is
35:32
Speaker 12: a serious issue and it will bring us into line
35:34
Speaker 12: with other States and Cindy has done a great job
35:37
Speaker 12: in prosecuting the failures of the Allen labor government who
35:40
Speaker 12: promises a lot, talks a lot, but delivers very little
35:45
Speaker 12: on all of these issues.
35:47
Speaker 1: I mean, the biggest issue that all Victorians are worried about,
35:49
Speaker 1: as we've been talking about, is the crime crisis. And
35:53
Speaker 1: yet we're seeing the Allen government recalling parliament for what
35:56
Speaker 1: will be the fourth formal apology to Indigenous Victorians. Do
36:00
Speaker 1: you think parliament should be recalled for an apology instead
36:04
Speaker 1: of urgent laur and order reforms.
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Speaker 12: Well, Shara, you said it. I mean this came out
36:10
Speaker 12: of the blue. We were notified last night the parliament
36:14
Speaker 12: was going to be recalled for a one day Tuesday
36:17
Speaker 12: week for an apology.
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Speaker 1: This is the fourth apology.
36:20
Speaker 12: By just Sinta Allen and her government. But really, we've
36:24
Speaker 12: got a debt crisis, We've got a crime crisis. There
36:28
Speaker 12: are issues in our health system that I have responsibility for.
36:32
Speaker 12: There is just a housing crisis. There are issues right
36:35
Speaker 12: across the state in every single portfolio area, and the
36:39
Speaker 12: parliament is being recalled back for an apology. This is
36:43
Speaker 12: the focus and the priorities of the government it's not
36:46
Speaker 12: focusing on the needs of all Victorians, and I think
36:49
Speaker 12: that just demonstrates the extent of the priorities of the
36:53
Speaker 12: Alamobor government. They don't want to fix the debt crisis
36:56
Speaker 12: nor the crime crisis.
36:58
Speaker 1: So the state election is about a year away now.
37:01
Speaker 1: We saw this survey in the Herald Sun newspaper. Voters
37:04
Speaker 1: across Victoria are struggling to name the political leaders, even
37:08
Speaker 1: as they did express their concerns about crime, debt issues
37:11
Speaker 1: you've been speaking about. Have a look, not all that's
37:17
Speaker 1: a new premiere.
37:18
Speaker 14: Toplic is pigmal Liberal.
37:20
Speaker 2: But I can't the name.
37:22
Speaker 6: I can't even a name Jacinta Ellen, and that's probably
37:27
Speaker 6: about it.
37:28
Speaker 15: She's just been voted in for the Liberal Party, has
37:30
Speaker 15: achieved it.
37:31
Speaker 1: I don't know her name, Georgie. This is a major challenge.
37:36
Speaker 1: How do you cut through to voters.
37:39
Speaker 12: Well, I think the voters are those people that were
37:42
Speaker 12: vox popped identified some issues, and may of the issues
37:45
Speaker 12: that they identifying too. But Jacinta Allen doesn't have an
37:51
Speaker 12: enormous recognition even in her own seat.
37:53
Speaker 1: So I would be worried if I was her.
37:56
Speaker 12: But there we have to cut through on the issues
37:58
Speaker 12: that are important to Victoria Brians and Jess Wilson is
38:02
Speaker 12: very focused and energized on doing just that, and it's
38:05
Speaker 12: up to everyone of her team, like me and others,
38:07
Speaker 12: to get out there and prosecute the case for a
38:10
Speaker 12: change of government that will turn this state around, to
38:13
Speaker 12: get rid of this tired, corrupt government. They've been in
38:16
Speaker 12: for twelve years and they are not delivering for all
38:19
Speaker 12: Victorians a better state. As we've seen the debt crisis,
38:23
Speaker 12: the crime crisis, the issues in health, the issues right
38:27
Speaker 12: across the state, its energy potholes. It's never ending, and
38:33
Speaker 12: we would change it.
38:34
Speaker 1: So that's up to every one of us. It would
38:35
Speaker 1: be truly unfathomable if voters support the Alan government again
38:40
Speaker 1: at the next election. Jorge, you appreciate you. I agree,
38:43
Speaker 1: thank you so much. Thank you. Still to come. Arrests
38:46
Speaker 1: made over the catastrophic fire in Hong Kong, plus Matt
38:50
Speaker 1: Canavan will join us live. Here's on the show after
38:53
Speaker 1: the break. Welcome back, and let's return to the b
39:00
Speaker 1: News today. Barnaby Joyce leaving the National Party, although not
39:04
Speaker 1: clear whether he will be joining One Nation yet and
39:07
Speaker 1: joining me now our National Senator Matt Canavan Matt, thanks
39:10
Speaker 1: for your time. Now, it was almost a certainty that
39:13
Speaker 1: Barnaby Joyce was set to join One Nation today, you
39:16
Speaker 1: wouldn't accept that outcome. You work tirelessly to try convince
39:22
Speaker 1: Barnaby not to join One Nation. What did you say
39:25
Speaker 1: to him?
39:28
Speaker 2: Look, I'll keep those conversations largely pot private, but Shari,
39:33
Speaker 2: I've been making the points this week about One Nation
39:35
Speaker 2: that I don't think they can deliver real change, I
39:39
Speaker 2: mean effectively. What we've seen from Pauline this week is
39:41
Speaker 2: her play the victim card, constantly blaming others for her
39:48
Speaker 2: either misunderstanding of Senate procedure or just simply wanting to
39:52
Speaker 2: ignore it for political purposes. She could have had a
39:55
Speaker 2: debate on the Burke Evand there's lots of ways you
39:57
Speaker 2: can have a debate in the Senate. She tried one
39:59
Speaker 2: way and that way. That way actually doesn't generate a
40:02
Speaker 2: debate the formal motion process. It proceeds without debate, and
40:05
Speaker 2: any one senator can object to that. And that's what happened.
40:08
Speaker 2: So the Senate didn't say no to Pauline Hanson. One
40:11
Speaker 2: senator did. She could have moved her motion, her bill
40:15
Speaker 2: through general business. She could have suspended standing orders. That
40:18
Speaker 2: would have those both those techniques would have brought on
40:20
Speaker 2: a debate and she could have done what she says
40:23
Speaker 2: she wanted to instead. Of course, for one nation, it's
40:26
Speaker 2: almost always about the outrage, not the outcome. And they've
40:30
Speaker 2: got a lot of outrage. They've generated a lot of headlines.
40:33
Speaker 2: But I bet you this Shari that just like eight
40:36
Speaker 2: years ago when Pauline tried this trick, this recycled stunt
40:42
Speaker 2: is not going to generate any change.
40:43
Speaker 1: It's not going to Madam Can to speak you about Barnabeys,
40:46
Speaker 1: not the Burker stunt, because that's a few days ago. Now,
40:49
Speaker 1: Barnaby Joyce did quit the Nationals Party. Today you couldn't
40:55
Speaker 1: convince him to stay as much as you tried. What's
40:57
Speaker 1: your reaction to that?
41:01
Speaker 2: Well, look, I don't know if much has changed with
41:05
Speaker 2: Barnaby Shari. A few months ago he said he was
41:08
Speaker 2: a free agent. When the story leaked and he said
41:12
Speaker 2: he was a free agent, he was going to consider
41:14
Speaker 2: his future in a sense. Today he formalized that by
41:18
Speaker 2: leaving the Nationals Party. So he is now formally a
41:22
Speaker 2: free agent. He hasn't joined another team though, so I
41:25
Speaker 2: haven't given up I'll continue to work on him over
41:32
Speaker 2: the summer. I've already sent him a couple of messages,
41:34
Speaker 2: and look, you know, there's always the Bible story of
41:39
Speaker 2: the prodigals an. He's so loved in the Nationals Party.
41:43
Speaker 2: I know many members today are very sad. I've spoken
41:46
Speaker 2: to many, had messages for many, very very sad that
41:49
Speaker 2: it's come to this. But just like the prodigal son,
41:53
Speaker 2: I think Barnaby would be welcome back if he reflected
41:56
Speaker 2: on this over summer, thinks about whether he wants to
41:59
Speaker 2: join in the circus at call one Nation or does
42:03
Speaker 2: he feel that pull and that tug from those Nationals
42:06
Speaker 2: members who he did speak so glowingly about today.
42:08
Speaker 1: You said earlier this week that this is turning into
42:10
Speaker 1: a longer saga than Days of Our Lives. You said,
42:13
Speaker 1: I think people are all sick and tired of it.
42:16
Speaker 1: Are you personally sick of Barnaby Joyce's antics?
42:21
Speaker 2: Well, look I am over it. It's not something I
42:25
Speaker 2: want to be doing, but look, I suppose we've got
42:28
Speaker 2: to this. The end of this particular episode of Days
42:31
Speaker 2: of Our Lives and the and the two be continued
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Speaker 2: has flashed across the screen. You know, we're not. We're
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Speaker 2: not there. We're not we haven't haven't found out who
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Speaker 2: killed Jr. Or whatever the particular storyline is. But so
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Speaker 2: while that's the case, I'll keep fighting to try and
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Speaker 2: get a good outcome for my party and what I
42:49
Speaker 2: think it should be the country. To my mind, there's
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Speaker 2: no doubt that if we have Barnaby as a NAT
42:54
Speaker 2: we have a much better chance of killing off net zero,
42:56
Speaker 2: which is a terrible idea, costing Australians an arm and
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Speaker 2: a leg. We finally built up a substantial parliamentary team
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Speaker 2: now of seventy LMP members at least before Barnaby wentz
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Speaker 2: at sixty nine now in the MP opposed to it.
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Speaker 2: I mean, one nation given their due. They've been fighting
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Speaker 2: against that zero two they've got four centers.
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Speaker 1: But on this point I want to win. I want
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Speaker 1: to win, and we just on this point. I mean,
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Speaker 1: Barnet's original reason for considering leaving the party was NET
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Speaker 1: zero but now thanks to your leadership on this issue,
43:27
Speaker 1: the Nationals don't support net zero. So it's it's what
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Speaker 1: is this exposed about why he has actually quitited.
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Speaker 2: Look, it wasn't just me thank you for the credit,
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Speaker 2: but had Roscadell lead this review with me page research
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Speaker 2: that did great work, and Barnaby did amazing work too.
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Speaker 2: He brought this back on the agenda the first day,
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Speaker 2: back up the.
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Speaker 1: Point of my question that appeal was not leaving for
43:51
Speaker 1: policy reasons.
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Speaker 10: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So there's obviously this issue with the leadership, and as
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Speaker 2: I said a few months go, I think now it's
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Speaker 2: incumbent on David Little Proud as leader to do what
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Speaker 2: he can to bring Barnaby back to the team. The
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Speaker 2: leaders should always, of course try and keep the team together.
44:10
Speaker 2: It's I mean, I don't know. I'm not going to
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Speaker 2: I'm not look. I think in these circumstances you should
44:20
Speaker 2: try to do whatever it takes. I'm not going to
44:22
Speaker 2: suggest any particular thing. And to be very clear, Barnaby
44:26
Speaker 2: hasn't asked for anything in particular of me or anyone
44:29
Speaker 2: that I know of. But you know, it's been a
44:33
Speaker 2: it's a welcome outcome that the Nationals Party has not
44:35
Speaker 2: lost a seat at a general election since two thousand
44:38
Speaker 2: and seven. It's a pretty remarkable record, but it is
44:42
Speaker 2: unfortunate that in the last three years we have now
44:45
Speaker 2: lost three members of the party room to defections and
44:49
Speaker 2: we lost a Senator at the last election as well,
44:52
Speaker 2: and so that's almost a fifth of our room gone
44:56
Speaker 2: in the last few years. And look, to lose one
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Speaker 2: member of your team to a defection could be misfortune,
45:02
Speaker 2: as Oscar Wild would say, lose another might be carelessness.
45:04
Speaker 2: But to lose a third now just looks like recklessness.
45:07
Speaker 2: We can't keep losing people.
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Speaker 1: Blaming the leadership, blaming David m Proud. You're blaming David.
45:13
Speaker 2: It's incumbent. It's incumbent on the leaders in particular. I've
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Speaker 2: spoken to former leaders of the party about this, and
45:22
Speaker 2: it's a lot hurting cats in this place obviously, and
45:25
Speaker 2: there's a lot of things that go on that you
45:27
Speaker 2: and the public wouldn't even know about trying to keep
45:30
Speaker 2: a team together. And yes, all of us have that
45:33
Speaker 2: responsibility to try and do that, but no more, the
45:36
Speaker 2: most responsibility rests and falls on the shoulder of the
45:38
Speaker 2: captain of the team. So you know, I would like
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Speaker 2: our leadership to reach out to Barnaby over summer to
45:44
Speaker 2: see what can be done. There's a lot of time
45:45
Speaker 2: now we're away from Parliament. Now we've just finished in
45:48
Speaker 2: the Senate. I think the House will have to reconvene briefly,
45:51
Speaker 2: but within the next twenty four hours we'll all be
45:54
Speaker 2: out of here and not back till February. So we've
45:57
Speaker 2: got plenty of time to put out for why Barnaby
46:01
Speaker 2: would be the best best fit for him, would be
46:02
Speaker 2: the National's Party, best fit for the country would be
46:04
Speaker 2: in the Nationals Party. And as I say, ultimately it's
46:07
Speaker 2: not about personalities or who we like. Who I'm not here,
46:09
Speaker 2: I'm not. I mean, look, I consider Barnaby a mate,
46:12
Speaker 2: but I'm not here to make friends. I'm here to
46:14
Speaker 2: get things done, and I think we'll get more done
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Speaker 2: with Barnaby as part of the Nationals team.
46:20
Speaker 1: Just finally, if Pauline had cooked you wag you on
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Speaker 1: a sandwich, press would you need in it?
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Speaker 2: I don't think I'm that cheaper date. Shari always like
46:33
Speaker 2: a bit of red meat, but I don't know. I
46:36
Speaker 2: don't know about that cooking. Look, it's not a glamorous
46:38
Speaker 2: life here in camera. Sometimes you think I've just just
46:42
Speaker 2: before I came on air, we hadn't eaten because we've
46:44
Speaker 2: been in the chamber the whole evening and I cracked
46:46
Speaker 2: open a bit of smoke salmon I had in the fridge.
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Speaker 2: That's my dinner tonight. So Lisa's got good protein.
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Speaker 1: Skinny eat a bit more. All right, Matt Canavan, maybe
46:57
Speaker 1: you need to put around to Pauline's off it since
46:59
Speaker 1: you'll put some meet on the sandwich press barbie for you. Right,
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Speaker 1: great to see you. Thank you for your time. Well
47:05
Speaker 1: arrests for manslaughter after the devastating Hong Kong blaze, investigators
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Speaker 1: probing whether unsafe scaffolding fueled the fire. Those developments after
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Speaker 1: the break well to the devastating scenes in Hong Kong
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Speaker 1: now where firefighters are searching for hundreds of people still
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Speaker 1: missing after the horror inferno ripped through a housing estate
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Speaker 1: in the Typo district. It's feared many are dead, with
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Speaker 1: the blaze taking over eighteen hours to get under control.
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Speaker 16: I am devastated, says Jesus Kong. Yeah, there are so
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Speaker 16: many neighbors and friends. Some eight hundred firefighters responded, rescuing
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Speaker 16: dozens who were sent to hospital, some didn't make it.
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Speaker 16: Rescue efforts continued through the night, fire crews saving a
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Speaker 16: baby and a senior. Still, as of Thursday morning, more
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Speaker 16: than two hundred remain unaccounted for the search a challenge.
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Speaker 7: The temperature inside the buildings concerned are very high, so
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Speaker 7: it's quite difficult for us to enter the building.
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Speaker 1: So as you heard that so hot even firefighters are
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Speaker 1: struggling to get inside. I mean, you can only imagine
48:21
Speaker 1: what families must have gone through. Already, we know fifty
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Speaker 1: five people have perished, including as you heard, they're a
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Speaker 1: firefighter sixty two in hospital. The latest images from the
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Speaker 1: scene show eight high rise buildings blackened and still smoldering,
48:37
Speaker 1: looking like burnt matchsticks. The high rises were undergoing major
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Speaker 1: renovations when they called a light yesterday afternoon, and investigators
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Speaker 1: are looking into whether the bamboo scaffolding and mesh used
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Speaker 1: on the construction met fire retardment and other safety standards. Already,
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Speaker 1: three people from an engineering firm have been arrested on
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Speaker 1: suspicion of man's slaughter, two directors and a consultant. Residents
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Speaker 1: who've escaped the blaze have said they didn't even realize
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Speaker 1: their building was on fire, and some of these people
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Speaker 1: were up thirty one stories. Now, this is Hong Kong's
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Speaker 1: deadliest fire in years. It's eerily similar to London's Grenfell fire,
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Speaker 1: where seventy two people perished due to combustible cladding. Look,
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Speaker 1: there's going to be many grieving families and friends across
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Speaker 1: Hong Kong tonight. It's incredibly sad and our thoughts and
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Speaker 1: prayers go out to everyone. All Right, thank you so
49:33
Speaker 1: much for your company this week. Have a lovely and
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Speaker 1: safe weekend. I look forward to seeing you on Monday
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Speaker 1: at eight pm. And stay tuned right now, here's Paul Murray.
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Speaker 1: And wasn't that a fantastic tribute? By the way to
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Speaker 1: Paul last night. Terrific to watch