Latest / Daniel and Kelly’s Extraordinary Universe / Listener Questions 2.0
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- 0:07Speaker 1: Hey, or hey. You know how we end most of
- 0:09Speaker 1: our podcast episodes by asking people to submit questions? Yeah,
- 0:13Speaker 1: people actually submit questions. Yeah? Do you know that a
- 0:16Speaker 1: lot of people actually right in? And how how are
- 0:19Speaker 1: the questions? Oh? My god? The questions are awesome. They
- 0:22Speaker 1: reflect like people's real desire to understand things about the universe. Well,
- 0:27Speaker 1: you read all of them, you know. I'll admit I
- 0:30Speaker 1: love the questions so much that I actually read and
- 0:32Speaker 1: answer all of them. But some of the questions are
- 0:37Speaker 1: so fun, and I think other people probably share the
- 0:39Speaker 1: same questions that I'll ask those people to record themselves
- 0:43Speaker 1: asking the question and send it in so we can
- 0:45Speaker 1: do a whole podcast episode just about some listener questions.
- 0:48Speaker 1: So somebody could write asking why they couldn't understand this episode,
- 0:53Speaker 1: not if we do a good job explaining it. What's that?
- 0:56Speaker 1: What kind of question would you have? Daniel viewer? A listener?
- 0:59Speaker 1: If I was sit into my own podcast, I would
- 1:01Speaker 1: be like, who is that guy with my voice? And
- 1:03Speaker 1: how did he get a podcast? What question would you ask?
- 1:07Speaker 1: I would probably ask, how do we get more people
- 1:09Speaker 1: to listen to this podcast? Hey, I'm je and I'm Daniel,
- 1:32Speaker 1: and welcome to our podcast, Daniel and Jorge Explain the
- 1:35Speaker 1: Universe or more accurvely, Today, Daniel and Jorge answer questions
- 1:40Speaker 1: about the universe that's right or explain the Universe inside
- 1:44Speaker 1: your mind that's right. Every week, twice a week, we
- 1:47Speaker 1: are beaming information and explanations about the incredible mystery that
- 1:53Speaker 1: at the universe straight through your ears and into your brain,
- 1:56Speaker 1: and we try to make it fun. We try to
- 1:58Speaker 1: make it engaging. We try to make sure that you
- 2:00Speaker 1: can actually understand what we're talking about. We don't want
- 2:03Speaker 1: to impress you with fancy words. We want to impress
- 2:05Speaker 1: you with the incredible majesty and wonder that is this
- 2:09Speaker 1: universe we find ourselves in. Yeah, and sometimes you know,
- 2:12Speaker 1: we don't get all the information out there are some
- 2:14Speaker 1: people don't quite understand everything that we covered and we
- 2:18Speaker 1: were able to cover in the podcast, and so people
- 2:20Speaker 1: still have questions. Yeah, Or sometimes we'll explain one thing
- 2:23Speaker 1: and it inspires another question, makes somebody wonder what about
- 2:27Speaker 1: this or what about that? And often I think Jorge
- 2:30Speaker 1: does an amazing job of anticipating those questions. A lot
- 2:33Speaker 1: of people have written in saying Jorge asks the questions
- 2:36Speaker 1: I have in my mind. So kudos to you, Jorge
- 2:38Speaker 1: or the great follow ups and for asking the right questions.
- 2:42Speaker 1: But that feels like it feels like a backhanded compliment. No,
- 2:45Speaker 1: it's not a backhand at all. It's a great compliment.
- 2:48Speaker 1: You're a good science communicator. You understand what is clear
- 2:51Speaker 1: and what is not um But sometimes there's a question
- 2:54Speaker 1: rattling around in somebody's head that they just really need
- 2:57Speaker 1: an answer to, and so they write in and ask us. Yeah,
- 2:59Speaker 1: so today on the podcast will be answering listener questions.
- 3:08Speaker 1: That means questions from people like you. If you're listening
- 3:11Speaker 1: to this and you have questions, you could hear your
- 3:14Speaker 1: own voice next time right to us at questions at
- 3:16Speaker 1: Daniel and Jorge dot com with your questions about the
- 3:20Speaker 1: universe or life or whatever is going on around you.
- 3:24Speaker 1: Or you can also reach out to us on Twitter, Instagram,
- 3:27Speaker 1: or Facebook. Right, you check all of those, right, Daniel,
- 3:30Speaker 1: I do. I respond to Twitter questions and Facebook questions
- 3:34Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. So, yeah, engage with us.
- 3:36Speaker 1: We're eager to hear from you. Yeah, you can ask
- 3:38Speaker 1: us about the universe, about how rude we are, how
- 3:43Speaker 1: engaging we are to each other, what our favorite fruit
- 3:46Speaker 1: is everybody knows. Nobody has a question about what your
- 3:49Speaker 1: favorite fruit is for her right now? Everybody knows it's papaya,
- 3:52Speaker 1: is clearly. Um, I feel like I don't know you, Daniel.
- 3:57Speaker 1: I feel like you don't know me. I think I
- 3:59Speaker 1: think bananas are clearly your favorite fruit. But I wonder, like,
- 4:01Speaker 1: is that the favorite fruit to say? I mean to eat? Sure,
- 4:04Speaker 1: but what about saying like, isn't papaya more fun word
- 4:07Speaker 1: than banana? More fun than banana? Yeah? Just fun about
- 4:12Speaker 1: the word papaya. I think you need to go out
- 4:14Speaker 1: into the street and ask people this question. No, here's
- 4:17Speaker 1: another question. What's your favorite fruit to draw? Like as
- 4:20Speaker 1: a cartoonists fun fruit to draw because papa is just
- 4:23Speaker 1: kind of a blob. I feel like if I say banana,
- 4:26Speaker 1: people are going to infer something from that that's a
- 4:31Speaker 1: dangerous Or if I say papaya, people might also infer
- 4:34Speaker 1: something from that. So let's just stay clear out of
- 4:37Speaker 1: cartooning plus fruits. Alright, alright, too bad. Well I'm still curious.
- 4:40Speaker 1: You can tell me offline later. Well, so today we're
- 4:46Speaker 1: gonna be answering four questions from all over the universe
- 4:50Speaker 1: or at least all over the planet Earth. That's right.
- 4:53Speaker 1: And so here's the first question. It comes from Alessandra
- 4:55Speaker 1: from Italy and he wants to know about how we
- 4:58Speaker 1: see so far in to space. Hi, guys, it's Alissando
- 5:03Speaker 1: from Italy. I really enjoy your podcast and encourious to
- 5:06Speaker 1: know how can we see so far through the space
- 5:09Speaker 1: without being hidden by thus nebula? Thank you and I
- 5:14Speaker 1: will enjoy your answer. Well, Alessandro certainly sounds Italian. He
- 5:18Speaker 1: didn't have to tell us where he was from. He um. Yeah,
- 5:23Speaker 1: he's a beautiful accent. It is the language of love
- 5:26Speaker 1: or is that French? Although I feel like Italian shouldn't
- 5:30Speaker 1: just be heard, it should be seen. Right, there's a
- 5:32Speaker 1: I'm sure there's some hand gestures that he couldn't capture
- 5:34Speaker 1: in that in that audio file. Save it for the
- 5:37Speaker 1: YouTube podcast. That's right, that's right. But it's a great question. Yeah,
- 5:42Speaker 1: it's an interesting question. How can we see so far
- 5:45Speaker 1: out through space without being obscured or blocked by nebula
- 5:51Speaker 1: and other clouds of dust and stuff that's out there.
- 5:54Speaker 1: How is it thevorable to see these stars are billions
- 5:57Speaker 1: and billions of light years away without anything blocking our view. Yeah, Like,
- 6:02Speaker 1: is it lucky that we can see so far? Is
- 6:04Speaker 1: the coincidence? You know? Is there some reason for it? Um?
- 6:08Speaker 1: I think first, let's just take a moment to appreciate
- 6:10Speaker 1: that view. You know, we say, like if you stand
- 6:13Speaker 1: on the top of the mountain and you can see
- 6:14Speaker 1: hundreds of miles, it seems like a great view. But
- 6:17Speaker 1: we don't often realize or consider the fact that the
- 6:20Speaker 1: view above our heads, the ones out into the night sky,
- 6:23Speaker 1: is the best view we will ever see. You know,
- 6:25Speaker 1: it's sort of it can give you vertigo just to
- 6:27Speaker 1: imagine that you're standing on the tip of a rock,
- 6:29Speaker 1: you know, that rock being Earth, and staring out billions
- 6:32Speaker 1: of miles across this ocean of space to these other
- 6:35Speaker 1: tiny little pin pricks. So it's really pretty incredible, not
- 6:39Speaker 1: just the space is vast, but that you can see
- 6:41Speaker 1: so far through it, right right, Yeah, Because like if
- 6:43Speaker 1: you stand up top mountain, you can't um see out
- 6:46Speaker 1: there forever. Right, Like, if you look at the next mountain,
- 6:48Speaker 1: it's going to look a little bit hazy, and if
- 6:50Speaker 1: you look at the mountain behind it, it's gonna look
- 6:52Speaker 1: even hazier. And so I think the question is how
- 6:55Speaker 1: is it that we can see with such crystal clarity
- 6:58Speaker 1: out there into space? And it's a great question, and
- 7:01Speaker 1: you know the answer is that mostly space is transparent, right,
- 7:05Speaker 1: transparent to light because what mostly what we're doing is
- 7:08Speaker 1: we're seeing with light, and so light can pass through
- 7:12Speaker 1: space without interacting, and that's what we mean by being transparent.
- 7:16Speaker 1: We mean that a particle like a photon, a piece
- 7:18Speaker 1: of light, can fly through it without being affected, without
- 7:21Speaker 1: being changed. So it's not that I mean there is
- 7:24Speaker 1: stuff out there. It's not like space is completely empty,
- 7:28Speaker 1: but you're saying that we can see really far because
- 7:31Speaker 1: the stuff that's there doesn't necessarily block the light. That's right, exactly.
- 7:35Speaker 1: Transparent doesn't mean non existent. Right, There is stuff out
- 7:39Speaker 1: there in space, but mostly the light can pass through it,
- 7:41Speaker 1: just the way the light can pass through the window
- 7:44Speaker 1: in your living room, right, mostly unaffected. Um, Now, the
- 7:47Speaker 1: window is not completely transparent, just like as you said,
- 7:49Speaker 1: the air is not completely transparent, but it's mostly transparent,
- 7:52Speaker 1: and so there can be stuff there. But as long
- 7:55Speaker 1: as the particles don't interact, then they fly through and
- 7:58Speaker 1: you can observe them on the other side basically unchanged. Okay,
- 8:01Speaker 1: So but what's out there in space that could be
- 8:03Speaker 1: blocking or a view, But isn't it. Yeah, and so
- 8:05Speaker 1: there actually are some things that block our view. Um.
- 8:08Speaker 1: So mostly spaces is empty, you know, from the point
- 8:10Speaker 1: of view of light, like, there's just nothing there. They're
- 8:13Speaker 1: little particles, um, But mostly it's empty. And the reason
- 8:16Speaker 1: that we can see light from other stars is that
- 8:18Speaker 1: there just isn't much stuff between us and them. But
- 8:21Speaker 1: sometimes that's not true. So for example, closer to the
- 8:24Speaker 1: center of the galaxy, there are these really big nebulas
- 8:27Speaker 1: of gas and dust, and we can't see through them
- 8:30Speaker 1: with normal light, the kind of visible light that we're
- 8:32Speaker 1: used to seeing with our eyes. And so, for example,
- 8:34Speaker 1: if you want to study the center of the galaxy,
- 8:36Speaker 1: you have to find other ways to do it because
- 8:38Speaker 1: you can't see it with visible light. Oh I see.
- 8:41Speaker 1: So the dust and gas out there do block our view,
- 8:45Speaker 1: but most of it is concentrated in certain spots, like
- 8:47Speaker 1: the center of galaxies. Yeah, exactly. And so if you
- 8:50Speaker 1: want to look out, you know, away from the center
- 8:52Speaker 1: of the galaxy to nearby stars, there's not a whole
- 8:54Speaker 1: lot between us and them. The thing that mostly blocks
- 8:57Speaker 1: your view is our atmosphere. Right, our atmosphere and fears
- 9:00Speaker 1: with light, and that's probably most of the stuff that's
- 9:02Speaker 1: going to do that. That's why we sometimes launch telescopes
- 9:05Speaker 1: into space so we can get a clear view of
- 9:08Speaker 1: what's coming at us from far far away. So if
- 9:11Speaker 1: the Earth just happened to be like like, if our
- 9:13Speaker 1: Solar system just happened to be inside of a nebula,
- 9:16Speaker 1: we would be totally blind to the outside universe. Yeah,
- 9:19Speaker 1: that's right. If we happen to be embedded inside a
- 9:21Speaker 1: gas cloud or dust cloud, absolutely, and remember our son
- 9:24Speaker 1: probably was born in a gas cloud or dust cloud.
- 9:27Speaker 1: Most of those places are stellar nurseries, those where stars
- 9:30Speaker 1: are born and eventually though, all that stuff coalesces, and
- 9:35Speaker 1: it doesn't just hang out of coalesces into stars and planets.
- 9:37Speaker 1: And that's you know, the ancient history of of our
- 9:40Speaker 1: Solar system. So we really are sort of lucky to
- 9:42Speaker 1: have such a good view, right because we could have
- 9:44Speaker 1: been born in like we are planet, could have been
- 9:46Speaker 1: in the in the middle of a coln of Los Angeles, right, Yeah,
- 9:53Speaker 1: we could be. But I think that most of the
- 9:55Speaker 1: time gravity will do its job and by the time
- 9:58Speaker 1: the planets are formed in life is evolved, etcetera. That
- 10:01Speaker 1: gravity will have done his job and cleared out that
- 10:03Speaker 1: space will pull it together into other objects, you know,
- 10:06Speaker 1: planets and stars or whatever. Oh, it concentrates all the gas. Yeah,
- 10:11Speaker 1: I see, it makes stars, which clears the view. Yeah.
- 10:14Speaker 1: And you know, it's no coincidence that the kind of
- 10:17Speaker 1: light that we can see, that our eyes can pick
- 10:19Speaker 1: up is also the kind of light that can pass
- 10:21Speaker 1: through space. Because that light comes from the Sun, it
- 10:24Speaker 1: has to pass through space to get to us, right,
- 10:27Speaker 1: and and then it has to survive the atmosphere. And
- 10:30Speaker 1: so the kind of light that we can that is
- 10:31Speaker 1: around on Earth is the kind of light that we've
- 10:34Speaker 1: evolved to see um. So obviously it can get here
- 10:37Speaker 1: from the Sun, and so it has to be able
- 10:39Speaker 1: to pass through space for us to see it. Right.
- 10:41Speaker 1: But what's kind of cool to is that just because
- 10:43Speaker 1: there is a gas or a nebula in front of us,
- 10:46Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that we can't see through it, because
- 10:48Speaker 1: if we other kinds of light do go through that
- 10:52Speaker 1: kind of stuff. That's right. When we say visible light,
- 10:55Speaker 1: we mean light of certain frequencies. You know, red, green, blue,
- 10:58Speaker 1: all those other colors that we can see. But light
- 11:00Speaker 1: has lots of other frequencies, right, You can wiggle more
- 11:03Speaker 1: quickly into the ultra violet, you can wiggle more slowly
- 11:05Speaker 1: down into the infrared, or really slowly down to the
- 11:09Speaker 1: radio waves. So we don't usually call those light, you know,
- 11:12Speaker 1: they call them radio waves or gamma rays or whatever,
- 11:14Speaker 1: depending on the frequency, but they really are just still
- 11:17Speaker 1: electromagnetic radiation. There are another form of light, and depending
- 11:21Speaker 1: on the wavelength, they have different properties. Some of them
- 11:24Speaker 1: can pass right through gas and dust. So for example,
- 11:28Speaker 1: radio waves, which are really long frequencies compared to visible light,
- 11:32Speaker 1: it can pass through gas and dust and we can
- 11:33Speaker 1: use that to see into the center of the galaxy. Yeah,
- 11:36Speaker 1: that's pretty cool. It's like having X ray vision exactly,
- 11:40Speaker 1: and we can actually use X rays also. X rays
- 11:43Speaker 1: do also pass through gas and dust. Now, some of
- 11:45Speaker 1: these things, like X rays, they won't penetrate our atmosphere,
- 11:48Speaker 1: So if you want to see that, you have to
- 11:50Speaker 1: have something really high in the atmosphere, like on a balloon,
- 11:53Speaker 1: or maybe even into space, like an X ray telescope
- 11:55Speaker 1: in space to see that. That's interesting, Huh. You have
- 11:58Speaker 1: to go up. You have to fly up like Superman
- 12:00Speaker 1: to have X ray vision, and these days we even
- 12:04Speaker 1: have other ways to see the universe that are not
- 12:06Speaker 1: just light, Like we can see the universe through neutrinos.
- 12:09Speaker 1: There's some weird stuff out there that just makes neutrinos,
- 12:12Speaker 1: and neutrinos passed through almost everything, so they're a really
- 12:15Speaker 1: good way to see really really far away. And then
- 12:18Speaker 1: recently we developed this ability to see gravitational waves. And
- 12:22Speaker 1: this is not even stuff, right. Gravitational waves are the
- 12:25Speaker 1: ripples in space itself, so they can pass through basically
- 12:28Speaker 1: everything matter. Yeah, all right, so that's the answer. The
- 12:31Speaker 1: answer is um. The question was how can we see
- 12:34Speaker 1: so far through space without being blocked by tabula and
- 12:37Speaker 1: other stuff? And the answer is that there isn't that
- 12:39Speaker 1: much stuff out there. Space is pretty empty and even
- 12:43Speaker 1: the stuff that's out there doesn't really block our view. Yeah,
- 12:46Speaker 1: and we have other ways to see through the stuff
- 12:47Speaker 1: that does block our view. And if we were blocked
- 12:50Speaker 1: by nebula and other stuff, eventually all of that stuff
- 12:54Speaker 1: would have turned into stars or moved around. Yeah. Just
- 12:57Speaker 1: wait a few billion years, you know, and the Vuele chain. Yeah, yeah,
- 13:01Speaker 1: just hang out, just hang up. You don't need to
- 13:04Speaker 1: graduate anytime soon, do you have a PhD VSIs. Just
- 13:07Speaker 1: wait if you bill, No big deal? All right, thank
- 13:11Speaker 1: you a Lisandre from Italy. That was a great question.
- 13:14Speaker 1: And before we go on, let's take a quick break.
- 13:29Speaker 1: All right. We're answering listener questions today and the next
- 13:32Speaker 1: question we have here is from Shelley from Australia, from
- 13:36Speaker 1: down Under and Shelly. Shelly asks a really awesome question
- 13:40Speaker 1: and a lot of people wanted the answer to. He's
- 13:42Speaker 1: questioning whether whether you have a real job or not, Daniel,
- 13:46Speaker 1: and I'm brave enough to play this question on the podcast.
- 13:49Speaker 1: Here we go, Hi, Daniel and Johey. I'm Shelly from Brisbane, Australia.
- 13:53Speaker 1: And what I would like to know is how does
- 13:55Speaker 1: physics actually work? How do you come up with the
- 13:58Speaker 1: theory and then create an experiment to test that theory?
- 14:01Speaker 1: What does the physicist to actually do every day? You
- 14:04Speaker 1: get up, you get your coffee, you gotta work, and
- 14:07Speaker 1: then what how do you go from a theory to
- 14:10Speaker 1: an experiment then to an explanation? And I love that question.
- 14:16Speaker 1: I love when she says and then what my question
- 14:20Speaker 1: is is she your wife, Daniel, or is she's sending
- 14:24Speaker 1: a question she wondering what you do all day? No,
- 14:26Speaker 1: but it's hilarious because that's what I do. I get up,
- 14:29Speaker 1: I drink coffee, and then I go to work and
- 14:31Speaker 1: then I go, Okay, now what do today? So that's
- 14:36Speaker 1: that's pretty much the answer. The question is the answer. No,
- 14:40Speaker 1: that's the two sides of academic freedom. You know, as
- 14:43Speaker 1: a professor, you basically get to do whatever you like.
- 14:45Speaker 1: On the other hand, nobody tells you what to do,
- 14:48Speaker 1: so you have to come up with stuff to do yourself. Right,
- 14:50Speaker 1: So every day you answer that question today what. Yeah,
- 14:55Speaker 1: it's a great question. It sort of goes to the
- 14:57Speaker 1: heart of you know, how is science done. I think
- 15:00Speaker 1: she's maybe wondering, like what's your day to day? Like like, um,
- 15:04Speaker 1: she probably knows that there is this general process, but
- 15:07Speaker 1: at any point, how do you decide what to do? Yeah,
- 15:09Speaker 1: so you know, day to day, of course, you get up,
- 15:11Speaker 1: you get your coffee. Then you started answering the three
- 15:13Speaker 1: emails that came in while CERN was awake in Geneva
- 15:17Speaker 1: nine time zones ahead and I was sleeping. And then
- 15:20Speaker 1: when you get through all that, you get to start
- 15:21Speaker 1: to think about it sort of the higher level science, right,
- 15:24Speaker 1: And she asked a question, you know, how do you
- 15:27Speaker 1: go from theory to experiment, Like how do you come
- 15:29Speaker 1: up with an experiment? And I think that's a really
- 15:32Speaker 1: interesting question because a lot of times that is the
- 15:34Speaker 1: way it works. Like a theorist comes up with an
- 15:37Speaker 1: idea saying like I think maybe there's this new particle,
- 15:40Speaker 1: or I think maybe there are black holes out there,
- 15:44Speaker 1: and then it's the job of the experimentalist to figure
- 15:46Speaker 1: out the answer, right, is that correct or not? Do
- 15:49Speaker 1: these things really exist or not? But there's sort of
- 15:52Speaker 1: a step before that, right where you I mean, um,
- 15:55Speaker 1: I mean you have to know what's going on in
- 15:57Speaker 1: the field. You can't just possit these things out of
- 15:59Speaker 1: the blue. You have to know. You have to read
- 16:01Speaker 1: what everyone else has done and what everyone else is doing,
- 16:04Speaker 1: and you kind of have to try to ask a
- 16:06Speaker 1: question nobody else's answered. Yeah, that's certainly true. Although um,
- 16:09Speaker 1: I got a lot of crackpot ideas from homegrown theorists
- 16:12Speaker 1: that haven't yet done that, you know, But um, yeah,
- 16:15Speaker 1: you want to come up with an idea, You want
- 16:17Speaker 1: to come up with an idea that's new. Like maybe
- 16:19Speaker 1: the difference between a professional physicist, um is that you
- 16:25Speaker 1: you spend your life on it, right, you you go
- 16:27Speaker 1: to conferences, you talk to people, you know what's going on. Yeah,
- 16:29Speaker 1: you definitely have to know how things are done and
- 16:31Speaker 1: you know what questions have an answered. In that perspective,
- 16:34Speaker 1: you can sort of think of science like a conversation.
- 16:36Speaker 1: You know, we're trying to figure out what is the universe?
- 16:38Speaker 1: How does it work? And you want to say something relevant,
- 16:41Speaker 1: and so you have to think of like, what is
- 16:43Speaker 1: the question at hand? What is it we're trying to
- 16:45Speaker 1: figure out right now? And how can I test it?
- 16:48Speaker 1: And um, that's the bit about being an experimentalist. I'm
- 16:51Speaker 1: an experimentalist. And you know what is the job actually involve, Well,
- 16:56Speaker 1: it involves coming up with a way to ask a
- 16:58Speaker 1: question of nature or that will reveal the answer. You know,
- 17:02Speaker 1: some theory says I think there's a new particle the
- 17:05Speaker 1: squiggly on. Well, then you can't just ask nature the
- 17:07Speaker 1: question does squiggly on exist or not? It's not like
- 17:10Speaker 1: nature some oracle right that just answers whatever question you want.
- 17:14Speaker 1: You have to trap it, you have to trick it,
- 17:15Speaker 1: you have to corner it. You have to come up
- 17:17Speaker 1: with an experiment. You can do something a physical thing
- 17:20Speaker 1: you can build that will tell you whether this thing exists,
- 17:24Speaker 1: because you know, if you do your experiment and the
- 17:26Speaker 1: data is this, then you know the answer is yes,
- 17:28Speaker 1: this is quiggly on. If you do the experiment and
- 17:30Speaker 1: the data comes out differently than you know, the answer
- 17:32Speaker 1: is not a squiggly on. But that's not trivial, right.
- 17:35Speaker 1: That requires some cleverness. You have to think about the
- 17:38Speaker 1: right way to sort of corner nature and make make
- 17:41Speaker 1: it tell you whether this thing exists by revealing the
- 17:43Speaker 1: answer in your experiment. And part of that is has
- 17:46Speaker 1: to do with the null hypothesis, Right, Like this idea
- 17:49Speaker 1: that where you, um, you sort of assume that this
- 17:52Speaker 1: quiggly on doesn't exist, and you run some experiments and
- 17:55Speaker 1: if you see something that clearly shows you that the
- 18:00Speaker 1: reuigly not existing is not quite likely, then that means
- 18:03Speaker 1: you how something Yeah, exactly, we need conclusive evidence. We
- 18:06Speaker 1: need to see data that couldn't have been produced if
- 18:08Speaker 1: the squigglyon didn't exist, Right, they could only be produced
- 18:11Speaker 1: if the squigglyon existed. We need something that's in that
- 18:14Speaker 1: sense unique, right, it has to be necessary and sufficient
- 18:17Speaker 1: um And so often what we do is in my
- 18:21Speaker 1: particular case, because I'm a particle physicist, is you know,
- 18:24Speaker 1: we're colliding protons together, and if we want to ask
- 18:27Speaker 1: the question does the squigglyon exist? And we think, well,
- 18:30Speaker 1: what would the squiggly on look like in our data?
- 18:32Speaker 1: How would it appear? You know, would it leaves splashes
- 18:35Speaker 1: of energy over here? Would it leave traces of its
- 18:37Speaker 1: motion over there? And then we sort of look for
- 18:40Speaker 1: those telltale signs. But then we have to think about
- 18:42Speaker 1: what else could look like that. Is there anything else
- 18:45Speaker 1: that could mimic it, anything else that could look like
- 18:47Speaker 1: this squiggly on but not actually be the squiggly on.
- 18:50Speaker 1: So a lot of the experimental work that I actually
- 18:52Speaker 1: do involves that kind of statistics, like figure out a
- 18:55Speaker 1: way to look for this thing in a way that
- 18:57Speaker 1: nothing else could mimic. And then but it also works
- 19:00Speaker 1: the other way around, like somebody maybe did an experiment
- 19:03Speaker 1: to look at something else and they found something weird
- 19:06Speaker 1: and said that doesn't fit the theory, and so then
- 19:08Speaker 1: theories have to come up with an explanation for the data. Yeah,
- 19:11Speaker 1: and in my view, this doesn't happen enough. And I
- 19:13Speaker 1: think a lot of people, especially in particle physics think
- 19:16Speaker 1: that it always starts theorist has an idea for a
- 19:18Speaker 1: new particle. Experimentalists just go check to see if that's true. Right,
- 19:22Speaker 1: And there's actually a really lively debate right now about
- 19:25Speaker 1: how do we do this in particle physics because the
- 19:28Speaker 1: theorists predicted, oh, supersymmetric particles will appear at the Large
- 19:32Speaker 1: Hadron Collider, and then we didn't find them. And I
- 19:34Speaker 1: thought some people think, oh, that's a failure. But I
- 19:37Speaker 1: think that experimentalists can be explorers. That we don't have
- 19:40Speaker 1: to just answer the question does this new particle exist?
- 19:43Speaker 1: We can go out and look for weird stuff. Right,
- 19:46Speaker 1: Let's just see what's out there, you know, the way
- 19:48Speaker 1: like when you landed on Mars. You don't ask the
- 19:51Speaker 1: question are there purple cats and dogs there? You just
- 19:54Speaker 1: walk around and look to see if there's some new
- 19:56Speaker 1: kind of life that will blow your mind. So, yeah,
- 19:59Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. Sometimes an experimentalist find something weird, something
- 20:03Speaker 1: that can't be explained with our current understanding, and it
- 20:06Speaker 1: forces us to come up with a new theory when
- 20:09Speaker 1: they can explain that. Yeah, and those those are the
- 20:11Speaker 1: greatest moments in science, if you ask me, Okay, cool,
- 20:14Speaker 1: it's okay, that's m hmm, okay cool. So that's what
- 20:17Speaker 1: you do. And then it's like eleven am. And then
- 20:20Speaker 1: then what do you do? Then it's time for my nap, right,
- 20:26Speaker 1: and then I do this awesome podcast with this cartoonist. Yeah,
- 20:30Speaker 1: I have no moral stand to criticize a lazy lifestyle
- 20:36Speaker 1: or work life. Um, but I think that's the kind
- 20:38Speaker 1: of the general answer is that you know, it's it's
- 20:41Speaker 1: like a it's a conversation, right, Like you're it's not
- 20:44Speaker 1: just you in a room trying to come up with
- 20:46Speaker 1: ideas and theories and experiments. It's like you're conferring with
- 20:50Speaker 1: other people. You're reading other people's work. You're you're trying to,
- 20:53Speaker 1: you know, come up get clues from other people's results
- 20:58Speaker 1: and things like that. Right, it's sort of a conversation
- 21:00Speaker 1: and and and it's a process. Yeah, And it has
- 21:04Speaker 1: to be a conversation because science is just people. Right.
- 21:07Speaker 1: If you do some science and nobody reads it, then
- 21:09Speaker 1: you haven't really pushed human understanding forward at all. Right,
- 21:12Speaker 1: So you have to do something people are interested in
- 21:15Speaker 1: so that they will listen and it will change sort
- 21:17Speaker 1: of the common understanding you'll move forward the wavefront of
- 21:20Speaker 1: human thought. Yeah, yeah, alright, Shelley from Australia. That's your answer, Um,
- 21:27Speaker 1: basically coffee, coffee, coffee, Yeah, exactly, all right. Our next
- 21:39Speaker 1: listener question comes from Alex from Connecticut. Here we go. Hey, guys,
- 21:45Speaker 1: this is Alex from Connecticut and I'm wondering if there's
- 21:48Speaker 1: anywhere in the universe where dark matter is not present? Thanks,
- 21:53Speaker 1: give up the good work. Alex sounds pretty excited about
- 21:56Speaker 1: his question. He has a great traitor voice. He should
- 21:59Speaker 1: do movie traders in a world where dark matter is
- 22:03Speaker 1: not present everywhere. Um. This is a great question because
- 22:08Speaker 1: we've talked about how dark matter, um is. There's much
- 22:11Speaker 1: more dark matter in the universe than normal matter. So
- 22:14Speaker 1: it's a very natural question to wonder, like, is it
- 22:16Speaker 1: feeling the universe is invisible? But is it everywhere? Yeah?
- 22:21Speaker 1: I mean there's not a little bit of dark matter
- 22:23Speaker 1: out there. There's five times more dark matter than like
- 22:26Speaker 1: all the stars and gas and clouds and planets out there, right, Yeah, exactly.
- 22:30Speaker 1: It's a huge amount, and so it's very natural to
- 22:32Speaker 1: ask where is it? And the answer to this question
- 22:35Speaker 1: is yes, there are lots of places in the universe
- 22:38Speaker 1: without dark matter, because it turns out that dark matter
- 22:41Speaker 1: and normal matter basically followed the same distributions. That is,
- 22:45Speaker 1: you can tell where the dark matter is just by
- 22:48Speaker 1: looking for the non dark matter. So who's following who,
- 22:51Speaker 1: who's the stalker, and who's the celebrity. It's um. You know,
- 22:56Speaker 1: it's something of a dance right there. We know about
- 22:58Speaker 1: dark matter only because if gravitational effect on stuff, right,
- 23:02Speaker 1: and so gravity um affects dark matter and normal matter,
- 23:06Speaker 1: and the two pull on each other, and so it's
- 23:08Speaker 1: something of a dance as they tug on each other,
- 23:10Speaker 1: and that's why they're linked together. That's why dark matter
- 23:13Speaker 1: and normal matter are in the same places, because they're
- 23:15Speaker 1: gravitationally attracted to each other. Now, because there's more dark
- 23:18Speaker 1: matter the normal matter, you could probably say the normal
- 23:21Speaker 1: matter is following the dark matter. So in fact, that's
- 23:24Speaker 1: the only way that dark matter can interact with our
- 23:26Speaker 1: matter right now we know of is gravity so far
- 23:29Speaker 1: that we know it's the only way you can interact
- 23:31Speaker 1: with our matter. It might have some interactions with itself
- 23:33Speaker 1: that we don't know about, but to interact with our
- 23:35Speaker 1: matter to see it to affect our you know, the
- 23:38Speaker 1: things that we can test and observe. Gravity is the
- 23:40Speaker 1: only way for us to probe that. And you know,
- 23:43Speaker 1: people really interestingly, people do simulations of the universe without
- 23:46Speaker 1: dark matter. They're like, what would have happened if there
- 23:48Speaker 1: wasn't dark matter? And things just don't coalesce as quickly.
- 23:53Speaker 1: You run the universe, but you run it without dark matter,
- 23:55Speaker 1: and yeah, get totally different results. Yeah, this is amazing, Right,
- 23:59Speaker 1: you can simulate whole universe. It's pretty incredible. And they ask,
- 24:02Speaker 1: you know, what would the universe look like under vary scenarios?
- 24:05Speaker 1: And that's really important because it helps them understand what
- 24:08Speaker 1: was the various fraction of things in the very beginning
- 24:11Speaker 1: and how sensitive um are we to that? Like? And
- 24:14Speaker 1: it was any configuration mostly going to give you galaxies
- 24:17Speaker 1: and stars and planets or is it really sensitive? And
- 24:19Speaker 1: it turns out that if you didn't have dark matter,
- 24:22Speaker 1: then it takes a lot longer for stuff to clump. Right.
- 24:24Speaker 1: The only reason we have stars and galaxies and planets
- 24:28Speaker 1: is because gravity has gathered this stuff together. It turns
- 24:30Speaker 1: out it's gotten a huge boost from all the dark
- 24:33Speaker 1: matter helping to pull it together, and without that dark
- 24:35Speaker 1: matter would take billions more years to get all this structure,
- 24:38Speaker 1: so we wouldn't even be around without the dark matter.
- 24:41Speaker 1: So pretty much dark matter follows normal matter and helps out. Yes,
- 24:44Speaker 1: But pretty much when you look out into the universe
- 24:46Speaker 1: and you let's see what for all the shiny stuff is,
- 24:48Speaker 1: like stars and planets and light, that's kind of pretty
- 24:52Speaker 1: much where dark matter is. Also roughly that's correct. But
- 24:56Speaker 1: if you look at the for example, of galaxy, there's
- 24:58Speaker 1: a huge block of dark matter are also at the
- 25:00Speaker 1: center of the galaxy. But then there's a we call
- 25:02Speaker 1: it a halo. It extends beyond where the visible galaxy is,
- 25:05Speaker 1: but mostly it's a blob centered at the visible galaxy,
- 25:08Speaker 1: right right. I think the question is like, you wouldn't see,
- 25:12Speaker 1: for example, like between here and a dromeda. You wouldn't
- 25:15Speaker 1: see a giant blob of dark matter just floating by itself,
- 25:19Speaker 1: would you? You might probably not, though, yeah, probably not.
- 25:22Speaker 1: But it's possible for dark matter normal matter to get separated,
- 25:25Speaker 1: like in the bullet cluster um. You know, some of
- 25:28Speaker 1: the dark matter and the normal matter got separated because
- 25:30Speaker 1: of big collision, and the normal matter interacts with itself
- 25:33Speaker 1: and the dark matter passes through as far as we know,
- 25:35Speaker 1: so there could be blobs of dark matter, but it's
- 25:37Speaker 1: not like it's evenly distributed, right, So there's lots of
- 25:40Speaker 1: places where we think there probably isn't any dark matter alright.
- 25:44Speaker 1: So the answer to Alex's question is yes, there are
- 25:49Speaker 1: probably many places in the universe without dark matter. Dark
- 25:53Speaker 1: matter clumps together in specific locations. That's exactly right. This
- 25:57Speaker 1: is one case we can give a very crisp answer. Yet.
- 26:02Speaker 1: That's the t L d R. Yes, Alex, Yes, cool.
- 26:06Speaker 1: Before we keep going, let's take a short break, all right,
- 26:22Speaker 1: and so our last question today comes to us all
- 26:24Speaker 1: the way from Iran. So far As from Iran has
- 26:28Speaker 1: a pretty interesting question about the shape of galaxies. Yeah,
- 26:32Speaker 1: here he is. Hi guys, my name is Fasm I'm
- 26:35Speaker 1: from Iran. After listening to your episodes about the galactic
- 26:39Speaker 1: collision and the gravity, I have a question to ask
- 26:44Speaker 1: why all the galaxies and solar systems in the universe
- 26:48Speaker 1: are disc shaped. I mean, if the gravity extends through
- 26:52Speaker 1: all the dimensions the same, why they are planar? Yeah,
- 26:58Speaker 1: this is a great question too. Write You look out
- 27:00Speaker 1: at the sky, you look at these galaxies, and you
- 27:02Speaker 1: look at the Solar system and they all seem to
- 27:04Speaker 1: be organized in these disks. Yeah, they look like flat
- 27:08Speaker 1: um blobs, right, not not like perfectly spherical blobs, but
- 27:12Speaker 1: like flat blobs, right, Yeah, exactly. They're they're mostly flat
- 27:16Speaker 1: um and they're not spherical. Yeah exactly. And so it's
- 27:19Speaker 1: a nevery natural question. It's a totally typical thing to
- 27:22Speaker 1: see out there in the universe. Like if you look
- 27:24Speaker 1: at all the models of of our solar system, they
- 27:26Speaker 1: look like hula hoops, right, one inside of the other.
- 27:29Speaker 1: Why why doesn't it look like um, you know, like
- 27:33Speaker 1: the model, the old model of the atom, where the
- 27:35Speaker 1: hula hoops are in all kinds of directions. Why are
- 27:38Speaker 1: where are the orbits of all the planets sort of
- 27:41Speaker 1: pretty much in the same plane or at the same level. Yeah, exactly.
- 27:45Speaker 1: It's a great question because you could imagine otherwise maybe
- 27:47Speaker 1: the plans would all be zigging zagging around in lots
- 27:50Speaker 1: of different directions, right, even if they each have their
- 27:52Speaker 1: own circle, they could be um, they could be all
- 27:56Speaker 1: sorts of different directions. Yeah. The short answer your question
- 27:59Speaker 1: is angular momentum, right that this is this is conserved quantity.
- 28:05Speaker 1: Is that something you just can't get rid of? If
- 28:07Speaker 1: an object, if a cluster objects, has angular momentum, it
- 28:10Speaker 1: just can't get rid of it. Um. Let's dig into
- 28:13Speaker 1: that just for a moment. Let's just think about momentum
- 28:16Speaker 1: at first. If you have like a rock in space
- 28:18Speaker 1: and you push it, then that rock is gonna go
- 28:20Speaker 1: on forever unless something stops it, right, if it runs
- 28:23Speaker 1: into something or whatever. Otherwise it will go on forever.
- 28:26Speaker 1: And that's because it has momentum. And in our universe,
- 28:28Speaker 1: momentum is conserved. Why is it conserved, We don't know,
- 28:31Speaker 1: but we know that it is, and so things keep
- 28:33Speaker 1: going if you push them. There's another kind of momentum
- 28:36Speaker 1: which is about spinning. It's called angular momentum. You start
- 28:39Speaker 1: something spinning, it will keep spinning right right, unless something
- 28:44Speaker 1: stops it. Right. And you're saying this applies to like
- 28:48Speaker 1: the Earth going around the Sun. That's spinning around the Sun,
- 28:51Speaker 1: and it's hard to not spin right like it's it's
- 28:54Speaker 1: hard to suddenly stop and go straight into the Sun. Yeah.
- 28:57Speaker 1: The only way for that happens for something from the
- 28:59Speaker 1: outside I had to come and like bang into the Earth,
- 29:02Speaker 1: and that could change. That could stop the Earth from
- 29:04Speaker 1: going around the Sun or stop the Earth from spinning.
- 29:06Speaker 1: If you want to stop your angle momentum, you need
- 29:08Speaker 1: to have something from the outside. But a closed system
- 29:11Speaker 1: like the Earth and the Sun or the galaxy or
- 29:13Speaker 1: whatever can't just stop spinning. That anglo momentum can't just disappear.
- 29:17Speaker 1: It has to has to be transferred somewhere or balanced
- 29:20Speaker 1: out by the opposite momentum somewhere else. Right, Like two
- 29:23Speaker 1: objects flying through space can stop if they're being into
- 29:25Speaker 1: each other. Right in the same way, two things spinning
- 29:28Speaker 1: opposite directions could both stop spinning if they touch in
- 29:31Speaker 1: their angular momentum cancels out right, and um, things kind
- 29:36Speaker 1: of have angular momentum because they didn't start from from breast,
- 29:41Speaker 1: you know. Like if you put two stones out in space,
- 29:43Speaker 1: they're just gonna and there's nothing else around them. The
- 29:46Speaker 1: two stones are just gonna fly straight into each other.
- 29:49Speaker 1: But if you they're going at different speeds and they're
- 29:51Speaker 1: going to start circling each other as they get closer
- 29:54Speaker 1: to the other, right exactly exactly, And so you can
- 29:57Speaker 1: imagine sort of the history of our soldiers is to
- 30:00Speaker 1: moral galaxy, depending what you're thinking about, and started as
- 30:03Speaker 1: a big cloud, right, a big chaotic cloud, everything shooting
- 30:05Speaker 1: in random directions, and it might feel like, well, everything
- 30:08Speaker 1: just sort of cancels itself out. But there's one place
- 30:11Speaker 1: where you can draw a line through it, and turns
- 30:13Speaker 1: out that everything is orbiting around that. Right. That's called
- 30:16Speaker 1: the center of rotation. And it's sort of like if
- 30:19Speaker 1: you're holding up a stick, right, there's one place that
- 30:22Speaker 1: balances the stick um where it will be pulled on
- 30:25Speaker 1: by gravity the same amount on both sides. The same
- 30:28Speaker 1: way you find this big cloud. There's some line you
- 30:31Speaker 1: can draw through it around which everything is rotating. Yeah,
- 30:34Speaker 1: and that's that's that point is where basically the center
- 30:36Speaker 1: of the galaxy or the center of the Solar system
- 30:39Speaker 1: is going to form right, yes, exactly, and so everything
- 30:43Speaker 1: is rotating around that, and then gravity does its thing.
- 30:46Speaker 1: It pulls things together as much as it can and
- 30:48Speaker 1: so um, but it can't shrink everything down too much
- 30:52Speaker 1: because it's spinning, right, and the spinning keeps it sort
- 30:54Speaker 1: of fluffed out, but only in the direction perpendicular to
- 30:58Speaker 1: that line, to that rotation sational axis. So along that
- 31:01Speaker 1: rotational access, gravity can switch things down as much as
- 31:04Speaker 1: it wants, right, there's nothing preventing it, but around that axis,
- 31:08Speaker 1: things have to keep spinning, and that spinning keeps them
- 31:12Speaker 1: from getting too close to the center. The same way,
- 31:14Speaker 1: like the reason that the Moon doesn't fall to the
- 31:17Speaker 1: Earth is because it has velocity, right, it's spinning around us,
- 31:20Speaker 1: and so angular momentum can't go away and has to
- 31:24Speaker 1: go somewhere, and it keeps the stuff from falling too
- 31:27Speaker 1: far into that central axis. So that's why everything becomes
- 31:30Speaker 1: a disk. Yeah, and that's kind of why all the
- 31:32Speaker 1: hula hoops sort of emerge, right, Like, like let's say, um,
- 31:36Speaker 1: the Earth is on a hula hoop orbit around the Sun, right,
- 31:40Speaker 1: so we're on a disc and in a circle there
- 31:43Speaker 1: on an oval and and like let's say that there
- 31:46Speaker 1: was another planet there was also going around the Sun,
- 31:48Speaker 1: but it was going in a totally different hula hoop,
- 31:50Speaker 1: like totally maybe perpendicular to ours. And I think the
- 31:54Speaker 1: idea is that, you know, the attraction between our planet
- 31:56Speaker 1: and that other planet, it's not going to make us
- 31:59Speaker 1: go closer to the Sun or or like destroy our orbit,
- 32:01Speaker 1: but it is going to make the hula hoops sort
- 32:03Speaker 1: of merge together, right, I think over a long period
- 32:06Speaker 1: of time, yet they would both come to orbit in
- 32:09Speaker 1: a in another plane that's sort of like the average
- 32:11Speaker 1: between the two, because the rotational center would be some
- 32:15Speaker 1: access that's perpendicular to that new plane. Yeah, this is
- 32:18Speaker 1: the kind of thing. It's it's easier to describe in
- 32:20Speaker 1: front of a chalkboard. We'll use the chalkboard of the mind.
- 32:25Speaker 1: That's that's kind of the idea, is that everyone at
- 32:28Speaker 1: the beginning, everyone's rotating and going in their own orbits,
- 32:31Speaker 1: but over time all these orbits sort of aligned with
- 32:35Speaker 1: each other. And so that's why galaxies and solar systems
- 32:37Speaker 1: they all look like flat discs. Yeah, exactly. The direction
- 32:41Speaker 1: perpendicular to that disc, things can pull together, and collisions
- 32:45Speaker 1: and attraction all that stuff helps balance it all out
- 32:48Speaker 1: and pull it together. But along that disc it can't
- 32:52Speaker 1: it can't get too close in because of anglo momentum.
- 32:54Speaker 1: He has to keep spinning, and that spinning keeps it
- 32:57Speaker 1: from falling in towards the center. Yeah, so like gravity
- 33:00Speaker 1: just squishes is in one direction, but it can't squish
- 33:03Speaker 1: in the other directions because that's where the spinning is happening. Yeah,
- 33:07Speaker 1: and his question was really interesting because he asked about
- 33:08Speaker 1: the dimensions, and you're right that gravity works in all
- 33:11Speaker 1: these dimensions, right, but because we have Anglo momentum and
- 33:15Speaker 1: anglermentum is to find along a plane two dimensions, it
- 33:18Speaker 1: makes it sort of asymmetric, right, that it doesn't get
- 33:20Speaker 1: treated the same way. One really fun exercise is to
- 33:23Speaker 1: think about, like, what would physics be like in four
- 33:26Speaker 1: dimensions or in five dimensions. That kind of can kind
- 33:28Speaker 1: of blow your mind. But if we had like a
- 33:30Speaker 1: four dimensional space, then you would actually have two different
- 33:34Speaker 1: axes of angular momentum that would be conserved, and so
- 33:37Speaker 1: things would look even crazier. Wow, what would you call that?
- 33:41Speaker 1: A blob? And this is why I'm not on the
- 33:44Speaker 1: physics naming committee. Alright, cool. So, the the idea is
- 33:48Speaker 1: that gravity does work in all directions, um, but it
- 33:51Speaker 1: has trouble bringing things together in the direction where they're spinning.
- 33:54Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. And so but it it can bring things
- 33:57Speaker 1: together in the direction they're not spinning, and so that's
- 34:00Speaker 1: why maybe things start out in as a big blob,
- 34:03Speaker 1: but then they eventually get squished down and they picked
- 34:05Speaker 1: kind of the average spin um direction. Yeah exactly. So
- 34:09Speaker 1: gravity is the great flattener of the universe, the great flatter,
- 34:14Speaker 1: the great squisher yeah, she just named squishy t. Yeah,
- 34:22Speaker 1: there you go. You got Newton, You've got Einstein, and
- 34:25Speaker 1: then you've got chamcham contribution to theory of gravity. Oh,
- 34:28Speaker 1: a better name. That's definitely definitely up there. And then
- 34:31Speaker 1: when I break into quantum physics will be the squishy Ton.
- 34:37Speaker 1: I'm gonna go devise an experiment to look for the
- 34:39Speaker 1: squishy ton. That's right, I'm gonna call it to squishy Ton,
- 34:42Speaker 1: and then go get some coffee and then I'm done. Boom,
- 34:45Speaker 1: there's my day and then what then? What? Alright? So
- 34:55Speaker 1: those were awesome questions. I love your questions. You might
- 34:59Speaker 1: think I'm gonna send him a question he's never going
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