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Darryl Watson | The Christian Reeve Podcast #181 · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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Hello and welcome to another episode of the Christian Reef
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podcast. Today's guest is a musician and
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podcaster hailing, all the way from New Jersey in the United
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States is name is Daryl Watson? Welcome to The Showdown, hide
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it. What's going on?
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Christian, glad to be here. Thanks for having me here.
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Glad to finally have you here. My let's just jump straight into
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it. Took us for your musical Journey
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from the beginnings. Until now what's the story?
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Well, currently right now. I'm 31.
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I story officially making. Music, when I was 17, I made my
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friend Ryan, we made a group, The Board of Education, got
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lights, 45 projects that came out back, then been writing ever
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since I got to work with last cabal, which is another van
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group that I work with and I have some solo work out now.
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So I've been, I've been at it for about 14 15 years now, on
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Independence it. But what's kind of inspired you
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to get into? Because of say, everyone has
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kind of a connection to music in a different way.
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For some people, it's maybe upbringing, Or you know, a case
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of where they are and they use that to kind of artistically say
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motivate them or you know, okay that for example with me and
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music, I've been a musician or my life as well and over time
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it's developed. So when I was younger, it was
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more about kind of the love of music and just wanting to
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perform. And then years later it's become
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more about, I don't know, communicating what the soul has.
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I don't know, but what is it for you, was it?
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View. Go back to the first part of the
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question just growing up. Like, with both my parents, my
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dad, we should listen to Funk like early hip hop, no run
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d.m.c. Kurtis, Blow stuff like that
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from his day and, you know, 90s into the 2000.
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I just always been like I always loved music, you know, obviously
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hip-hop, but I've been to a lot of other stuff too.
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Like a local radio. Hey, I love like I said, Funk
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Jazz, like I'm into a lot of different stuff as well, but As
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far as me personally, like I do I like the challenge of just
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because just being a better artist but also I like you said
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just being able to like, express yourself.
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You know, I think that's the most important thing of Music.
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We get so caught up, especially how, you know, capitalism and
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everything is now. It's crazy.
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It's wild out here, but end of the day, music supposed to
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really at the core of these self-expression, you know, what
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do you make of how the music treats?
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A scene has changed over the I mean we're similar in age on 29
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your 31 so we're grew up at the same time, different parts of
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the world. So we've seen the same sort of
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changes certainly in the last 15 or 20 odd years.
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Like what what do you make of the industry now?
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So Romper Room industry is a Romper Room.
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What's that think? It's just wow like it's hard for
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all kind of it. You know I feel as though the
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last 10 years Have been ridiculous, but I think the last
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like three have been, even more ridiculous.
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I'm pretty sure you can attest to some of the things that you,
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you know, you have across the pond.
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Like, how it's always been like, you know, emulate.
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Whatever is popular now, whatever the popular things
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that's always a, you know, that's always a thing.
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However, we can always count on music always changing.
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Yeah, I feel like the last three, four years, it all and
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all genres. Not Necessarily just hip-hop,
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but it as a whole everything. So stagnant, like country music
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is stagnant. Rock is stagnant, at a lot of
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genres are very, very stay hip hop is super stagnant right now,
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but a lot of things are very, very stagnant and there hasn't
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been a lot of like change going on.
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But I feel as though, with how everything's going like as far
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as like, culture as itself is changing, like work from home is
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a big thing. Now, the pin them and brought a
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lot of Entrepreneurship. In general, you know, just in
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general, not speaking just music, but with all that being
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said, I think that's going to trickle back to Independent
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Artists because I feel as though, as some point, it's like
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bigger labels. They keep pushing the same type
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of stuff, the same type of artists and it's like really bad
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downward. The consumer, I feel as though
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will gravitate to something different, you know.
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Yeah, I agree with you. Like all the best music.
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I listen to these days is all even unsigned.
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Artist or lesser known. And that's not me, like, trying
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to be like, oh, I listened to the underground stuff on.
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Oh, cool. It's just this bad music.
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I don't know, like, when I hear stuff in the charts like it's,
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it's okay, you know? I'm not as bothered as I used to
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be. When I was younger, I used to,
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when I was a teenager, I was like really, like know down with
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the system and it's not about underground right?
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But now I'm just like that. If it sounds good like he cares,
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right? But and I like means streams
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artist and things is that too. But I always judge your artist.
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Unlike their growth. Hmm, you know, and I feel like
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they don't push none of that really, it's just kind of like,
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but at the same time, bigger artists can get away with doing
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stuff like that. Like I can just regurgitate the
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same stuff over and over and it's like, people going to eat
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it up. It's a disservice is what, like
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always listening to. Yeah, Samantha Netherland ton of
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the other day, just him reviewing people because I'm a
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bit of a sadist. So I love to hear him.
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Just shit on people. It's just funny and it's
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brilliant. Yeah.
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And he was We're sitting on Drake and I was sort of sitting
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there and thinking about it like over the last 10-15 years of his
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career and I kind of found myself agreeing with a lot of
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the point specifically what we're talking about.
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Like just I agree like I say from views.
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To now he's been coasting. Yeah, but and that begs the
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question, doesn't it? Like is their responsibility in
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a musician to be the best you could be or can you get away
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with just, I mean, we know you can get away with just putting
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out, whatever people will buy it, based on name value alone.
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But is that right? I don't feel like it's right,
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especially within hip-hop, because you can't really pop
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shit. Like, oh, I'm the biggest, I'm
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the best rapper but then not push the genre.
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Hmm, you know, especially within hip-hop because it's so at the
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core fundamentally supposed to be very, very, you know,
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competitive. You know, I feel like the
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biggest thing that's happened with hip-hop, as well as that
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it's, I mean, this is nothing new, it's become more
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mainstream. Like it's always been At the
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heart of that popular culture, they always used to be more like
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not the central Focus but more kind of the thing to decide
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that's like, oh, this is interesting, this is different.
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No, yeah, you know me, I especially like 10 years ago to
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now, I hip-hop is the number one genre in America right now.
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Like that's never been. If not the number one, not like,
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you know, it's been in the top three, four, five, but now, it's
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just so full. It's just so much in culture,
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period, you know, and that's the thing.
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Like, I don't know about you, but like, when I was growing up
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Hip Hop, for me, it was always about, you know, who's got the
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best raps, who's got the most kind of encouraging backstory of
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something, you can connect to relate to.
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I just, I don't know. I can't really relate to some
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rich guy. Rapping about how difficult it
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is, to be famous and have millions in the bank, like, I
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mean, and and again it's the same criticism that's been made
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a 50 million times but there's a lot more of those Now it used to
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be there's like a few of them at the top and then everyone else
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is struggling trying to get to the top.
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Now, everyone's at the top and it's like, hmm.
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Like people, for instance, you shouldn't someone like Eminem,
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right? At the end of the day, what else
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does he have to wrap up? That is true and I am afraid.
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I know I'm a big fan, although I do feel like, at some point I
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feel like certain like I think Jay-Z is a good example.
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He kind of like slows down. You know Nas is kind of sort of
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an as of late and I feel like whatever he said that in an
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interview recently with double XL he said he's not really
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worried about making the best songs, he just wants to be the
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best rapper, which makes sense. And at that point, if that's
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what you say, you are, and that's what you're trying to do,
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I get it because I feel like his as a technical or technical
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level. Obviously he's a creme de La
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Creme but what makes him so great or what I like most about
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him is the fact he has good songs.
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Like, you know, Haley is Until his soldiers, etc, etc.
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He makes really great songs that, you know, that that that
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hit impact and he makes songs that other artists couldn't
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make, you know, I feel like to me that that helps to find how
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how go to the artist is well, given that you're a producer as
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well. So you can kind of appreciate
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this. I feel like a lot of that comes
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from from dr. Dre really.
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I mean, yeah, if you look at everything, he's connected with
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both from what he's directly involved in.
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In producing and even rapping on two projects that he's just
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worked with. I mean, I feel like I feel like
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that I haven't really heard of many other producers in the game
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similar to dr. Dre that a new Jenna and I'm
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sure there are. Maybe you just don't hear about
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them but like, I don't know, like it's rare that I overhear
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something that comes from under his umbrella that I don't like
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gentleman. You know, I got to get you, I
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mean, it's all about the vibe and the connections that you
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meet and like the overall feel that you're going for, you know,
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he's a very underrated producer, as well.
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Very amazing producer. I mean he's a couple of songs.
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I was like, you know, as far as And I think that has a lot to do
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with how music as a whole. It's kind of been like I want to
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say cheeping, but to a degree almost sheep.
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And, you know, it's like when we like 10 years ago, it was like,
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oh, well now you have a microphone like anybody can just
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make music. But now it's like, damn, anybody
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can produce two? So it's like them two together
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is just like a whole bunch of, like, short people looking for
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shortcuts and things of that nature.
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And, you know, speaking of which, like what do you make of
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this? Thought I've always found this
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really weird. In the last 10 or 12 years, you
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get a lot of people selling Beats.
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Now, it's like a weird thing like where you can be like oh
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yeah you can pay me extra money and you can have free use of
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these beats and I don't know why but it just strikes me is really
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odd. It's like no different to.
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If I would just quickly, write something on guitar.
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And then be like, oh yeah, I'm going to charge you a flat fee
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of $250 to use the fuck's fee fucking cause I don't, I don't
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At that the I guess I got samples and stuff but like right
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right I don't know and there's a lot of people did.
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Yeah. It's really tough.
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Like personally I like musically outside of a anything that I
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like work with my co-producer. Start the actual production end
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of it, I work with, go gasps know who's from Philly?
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One of my friends Focus far from Romania.
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Like I have a network of producer that I do work with
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like because it's like they have a similar style they come And
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get where I'm coming from, whatever the case is.
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But going back to that. Yeah, it's kind of crazy because
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now it's like you can just download the program.
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Use the, in the thing is when people sell like a lot of the
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beats and things, it's like your Beats.
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Don't sound like it's just stock sounds, you don't tweak
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anything. It's just.
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It doesn't sound like, you know, and I feel like especially like
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you were saying going back to like paying for it.
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Like I don't have a problem purchasing production but that
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came to the point. It'd have to be some sort of
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production, whether it was $10 or $150, it has to be some sort
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of Somewhere. It's like, all right, I can do
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something with this. That either a, I can do
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something on this, that no one else would do because that, that
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also eliminates a lot of the problem because you have the
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same be to someone, but if you can make a the type of song that
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no one else would be able to make with that, that that helps
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out but it's just like lazy is really lazy man.
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Cuz it's like if people just get so you know, it's just they'll
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be like oh who's hot now that make this wrapper type beat into
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that wrapper type beat and stuff and it's like to the point where
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it's I feel as though producers as a whole Is almost less
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genuine than like artists and artist is like copying do allow
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shit. But producers it's like they
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just biting sounds biting Styles like they don't take time to
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learn it or do you want a computer?
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Yes. Do you like music?
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Yes. Well, you were producing them,
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basically, as I to stop drums, the stock sounds, it's like the
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very it's like damn, like, at least, you know, Make it
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personalized. I will say this.
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Sometimes it can be really, really well done.
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Like I remember back in the day, there was so there's this metal
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band called periphery, right? It's a progressive style, metal
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band. And I remember hearing the story
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that they're very first album was just entirely produced on a
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computer by one guy. And that blew me away because I
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was like, surely not like I normally you can tell the
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difference but this was not the first instance where you just
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couldn't tell that it was midi drums or whatever.
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And I was like, Wow, leave me while I would say even with
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that, I'm pretty sure they did not have tweak tweak, some
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things, change some things around, you know, not as much,
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just like drag and drop. But that's, that's actually
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dope. You say, miss all one person.
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See, that's, that's really cool like me as an artist I would, I
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would not like be opposed to having a one-on-one project.
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Was one producer. However, I do think sometimes
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you can and pigeonhole yourself into like a certain sound and
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you don't want to be pigeonholed into a certain sound like
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because even if it works, even if your sounds original like the
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baby, he he's he's popular and he got Popular by having his own
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style, his own flow, his own whatever.
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But now it's like, bro, you kind of just be doing the same thing
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over and over. There's no growth as an artist,
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some people do careers on the other slide of the middle
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button, did that? But again, to your point, they
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release released almost the same record for the 30.
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They get a bit tiring after a while.
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Why did I man? I mean I guess it depends
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there's always there's always going to be a core audience and
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it's going to be like the bigger might mainstream audience to
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know me. Like there's so many artists
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over the years that have like were big in a particular moment
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and then suddenly, you know, just one like for instance at
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work I've been, I've noticed a lot of the music that's played
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where I work is all that 20. Years old.
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So it's stuff that I listen to when I was growing up.
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Right. Right.
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Well, it's a balanced approach. Yeah, no.
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Fair. Best time.
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And the best time period. The interesting thing about it
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is that some of the stuff is still relevant to this day.
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So like, if you hear like, let's say an Arctic Monkeys record,
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it's still really Arctic Monkeys is though, but they're still in
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the game, but they're in a complete over and a journey
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where we're going. Off to its.
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Now, we just off to the balcony. Like I said trips, but like, you
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were saying, Arctic Monkeys. Yeah.
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Obviously, that first record and then next, most current record,
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I like night and day. But what the point is, that,
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like, a band, like, that has longevity, but then, as you as
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we sort of discussed earlier, they've kind of grown with the
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time to stay relevant. But then there's some artists
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that were huge in a particular year and then you just never
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hear from them again and they still make music to this day.
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Another good example of the same time, the band toured front
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Spider-Man had a huge record. One of, are you gonna take me
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home? Like the biggest record ever of
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the year? And then yeah.
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Just it's just I mean they did a few things off to that but not
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to the same level and sometimes I wonder like how much of that
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is actually done to Lark or down to the artists, trying to stay
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liver irrelevant and then sometimes, maybe it's just a
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case of like they're not interested in trying to keep
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putting out stuff to stay popular.
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Ella and they just want to release music like, you know,
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that's interesting. I need is a balanced personally,
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like creating. I try to Branch out as much as I
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can and do as many different have as many different sounds.
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But one thing I've always liked, try to take pages from like
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other artists and see how they adapt my friends.
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I think Kanye. Whoa, Kanye and Kanye's.
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Time for my favorite artist, I would say he's a good example
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because he came out early. Thousands, he helped change the
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game but still he still reinvented himself, you know.
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He's a, he's a, he's an interesting example.
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Me, he kind of goes back to what you were saying before, about an
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artist who creates their own thing, like early Kanye was just
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very in line with what was kind of going on.
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At the time in the hip hop scene, there's a lot of artists
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are very similar music and then I feel like from that point
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onwards, he just made his own obviously made his own brand and
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he became like his own entity. But his music has always kind of
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been Just very spicy and out there and weird.
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It's just Kanye. Like, it's almost like a genre
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at this point. Not agree.
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And like, it's just like one thing that I like most about him
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is even within hip-hop, like he kind of like Bridge there yet.
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Like he gets songs of like most death and Times of poly their
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songs with Jay-Z thing. You know, he did a whole album
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with common, you know, which I personally think my I think
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that's Percy is best album but like stuff like that.
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Just, you know, Bridging the Gap.
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He worked with the clips. To work with, you know, like
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different types of size of just, you know, the one genre, you
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know, which is though. He worked for Thirty Seconds to
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Mars. He's a using.
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He's he's, he's worked out and that's one thing as RS.
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I'm always trying to do just Branch out and just be being
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more and be more Collective because even within just
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hip-hop, like you said, like, I like, you can have a lot of
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different sounds just within that one jungle.
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Hopefully, show. Ya know, it's fun me away, how
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much hip-hop is Has changed over the years as far as like.
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There's so many different styles of.
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You got trapped Grime, drill, just all sorts of different
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styles and record different countries as well.
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Correct. That it makes, it makes sense.
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You're going to have these different subgenres.
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I mean, it was the same when I was growing up with, with Rock
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and metal music. I remember trying to explain to
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people the idea of subgenres and people would just look at me
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blankly, like, like what do you mean?
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It all sounds the same and I'm like, does it.
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Does it really Yeah, me and then you got, you got, you got
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artists that kind of like, can be in more than one, you know,
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like that Radiohead, like Radiohead.
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It's like, depending on what I will, miss more electronic than
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anything, you know, saying, yes with I'll send this to a friend
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the other day, but, like, how there was some artists like same
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use who started this, just like a out-and-out.
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Rock band, and then, like, in more recent years, I think they
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did. They did like a DubStep out of
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at one point or something. Yes, I believe.
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So, Previous at what and like, hey, Fairplay, try something new
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right, but just just really odd. I don't know, but I guess, yeah.
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If you don't, if you want to do it, you want to do it.
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You know. And that's kind of the beauty of
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creative expression, I suppose in music, but you're always
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gonna be heavily criticized for doing anything that deviates
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from I suppose people's expectations of what you should
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be. That is true, even, I would say,
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have you heard Drake's last project?
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No, I, I had fun. Time I shit on it and I just
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kind of I mean I imagine it's like all things where he won't
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like he won't like it will get a bad review but then I'll
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probably hear on the radio and I won't be that bothered about it,
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you know, be like, okay, I heard it.
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It's more like dance tight, it's not rap.
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So it's kind of like that's all his stuff there, isn't it?
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Like every once in a while, he'll try and see.
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That's the funny thing about him.
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It's like you're a rapper. But yeah, you don't have a full
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wrap project, but then you got like, Jersey, Marley where he's
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kind of like, you know, then you got like UK Drake, then you got
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Caribbean Drake and you got, you know I'm saying?
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You got it just reminds me of that time with Snoop Dogg it
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like for like 20 years. It's crazy.
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Like what see? I feel like the only difference
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I would say is I feel like it's interesting because I feel like
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Drake, kind of like wise Wings when Snoop did what he did?
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I feel like that's probably like how he felt his career and, you
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know, he's just he probably was, you know, in a mental space.
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You found me. He's just smoking a lot of weed,
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and he happened to be in Jamaica at the time and he was like, if
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it's in my top five sleep is definitely my favorite boss.
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Nice brilliant for real. I think he get, he's one of
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those people that gets it like, it's okay.
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It's okay to move with the times.
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And try different things, but I think you kind of stay true to
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yourself and stay somewhat consistent, you know, and he has
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a personality. Sure.
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Yeah, I think I'll be more impressed by like his business
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exploits over the last 10-15 years.
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Like still, he's different cooking shows and reality shows
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he's been doing and this hot like he literally has a show.
22:28
I loved, I loved his kind of brazen approach to life like
22:31
he'll ever be doing this show, where he's essentially doing.
22:34
Like a podcast with a bunch of his friends and they will get
22:37
high and just shoot the shit or he he said that they just live
22:42
streams games and just gets high and just does that and I one
22:46
time he I think he likes forgot that he was live streaming and
22:48
just left it for like 24 hours and then he came back and he's
22:51
just like oh shit. Okay?
23:02
And then he came out with, you know, one of the best albums
23:04
ever. So I mean that I mean if that's
23:09
not you to me within itself is crazy like because he came out
23:15
with doggy style, which is probably one, you know, it took
23:18
top however you want to rank it. It's a top whatever, you know,
23:23
and he still, you know, continue and wasn't like haunted by that.
23:28
Where if you look at someone like Nas, I think he still he
23:32
still haunted by all night to this day.
23:34
I feel like earlene has fun. I love all of his early stuff.
23:38
Like I mean I'm in I'm personally just when it comes to
23:42
rap and hip-hop I'm stuck in the 90s / 2000s for me, that's like
23:46
the true. And that that would that would
23:48
be like what's on my gym playlist for example.
23:50
But when it comes to new stuff like I don't know, I try to get
23:54
into it but I just it's not, it doesn't have the same Vibe, the
23:59
same fear. I mean, Who do you like, like,
24:01
listen to that's like newer. Like, like I always say, like
24:05
someone that came out or didn't get I'll say, pop it in till
24:09
like 2015 and down. So like, oh geez.
24:14
Then I guess. No one listened to Freddie
24:19
Gibbs. Nah.
24:21
Nah, like solid sphere. Yeah, I'm sure they were good
24:32
artists out there. It's just different now back
24:35
then it was like if you say 90s and 2000's it was like you had
24:39
to be different but you can name 10, random hip-hop artists from
24:43
the 90s and 10 from the 2000s and more than likely.
24:46
None of them sound the same or have similar Styles even like in
24:50
New York, like you have Prodigy, right?
24:53
You had Nas. And let's say, No, let me tell
24:58
one out. Hello.
25:01
That's three different artists from the same area and you know,
25:04
saying very close. But they're not, you know, I'm
25:06
saying, like the slang might be kind of closer but the artists
25:09
like you're not, you know, I'm saying that's within the same
25:12
region, even the even down south at that time, anyone, you know,
25:16
like yeah, I'll cast me as Scarface.
25:19
They both Southern rappers almost sudden, you know
25:21
something acts, but they're not, you know, I got you, I got you.
25:27
I think it's just like, I'm very picky when it comes to rap and
25:29
hip-hop and that's the more the issue mommy.
25:33
Not to say, there isn't a make that that makes you a good
25:35
taste, maybe. I don't know.
25:38
I I feel like I'm just not into what the majority of people were
25:41
in to. Maybe I think that might just be
25:45
an age thing to be honest with you, more than anything else.
25:49
Because I mean, I'm getting to the age now where there's stuff
25:51
that I grew up with that people don't don't know, and I'm just
25:56
How can, you know this? But then of course they didn't
25:58
grow up with it. They don't know about it.
25:59
And that's just aging Justice, what happens?
26:02
Yeah, I'm about to get Sarah's to because even like, because
26:07
even like, when we were younger, right?
26:09
You had like even if you didn't like listen to others armors,
26:13
you would know other artists, but they be still, like,
26:16
respected in their own. Like, if you're my glue listen
26:19
to like Blink 182, but, you know, blink, when he needs to.
26:24
And it's like there's the A respected within their genre.
26:27
You know I'm saying or like Good Charlotte when they first first
26:31
first first came out, you know I'm saying like they won't pop
26:34
in. You know I'm saying they were
26:35
popping but they were still respected like it.
26:37
If someone didn't listen to rap they'd be like well at least I
26:39
know 50 but he's still read. I'm saying like even like what
26:43
they will push back to the dolls armors and Compass because even
26:46
now it's like, even pop, like you, Christina, Aguilera Britney
26:49
Spears, etc, etc. Now, it's like it's hard even
26:53
across genres, you know. I saw something recently, which
26:57
I think sums this up very well. It was, it was like a like a
27:02
tick tock about how hard 50 Cent went back in the day, back in
27:06
the early 2000s, right? And it was, It was kind of one
27:10
of those like, are you just had to be there kind of things.
27:12
And I think it's like, that's kind of the key to know to make
27:16
like you can don't get me wrong, you can appreciate music before
27:18
your time in a pack. Like, for instance, I love The
27:20
Smiths. I adore this, right?
27:22
And I was not born in the 80s, I have no way of appreciating what
27:25
that must have. Been like to grow up with that
27:27
but I love it. I still think it's iconic even
27:30
to this day but like it's the same with 50 Cent.
27:33
Like people don't know how bit like huge.
27:36
It was when he came on the scene and they drop those albums like
27:40
you can go back and listen to it and it's still slams but it's
27:44
just yours in there. Yes it was going down.
27:48
Like I look back now in the 2000s and you know what it
27:50
probably is rose-tinted glasses but like we I do feel like there
27:54
was a lot of exciting. A progressive music at that time
27:58
right across the board. Yeah, and I feel sometimes I
28:02
feel like there just isn't that anymore.
28:04
Sometimes I'm wrong. Sometimes something will come
28:06
when it will blow you away in about who I feel like a lot of
28:09
the stuff that's interesting and out there is as I said earlier,
28:13
like it's stuff that you've maybe not so aware of or not.
28:18
So, well, yeah, look, it's not push.
28:21
Yeah. You know what?
28:23
It's algorithm game now. Algorithm.
28:26
That's that's that's a big problem.
28:28
Everything is algorithm, do you think numbers?
28:34
Because I've had some people say like album album is dead like
28:37
album and I don't know if I believe that really.
28:40
I still think there's a market for it but like I'm seeing that
28:44
more and more artists. Now, we're just releasing
28:46
singles and sometimes that's all they'll do.
28:48
They'll just keep releasing singles.
28:51
Did you think like, that's where we're headed?
28:52
Is just endless singles? Or do you think projects can
28:56
still kind of exist as they did? I think I think it depends on
29:03
the artist because that is also something, personally, I've been
29:09
I've been working on like, tying into this.
29:14
I've recorded a lot of tracks and the way I wanted to release
29:18
it was, you know, some songs like I was just released an EP
29:21
and then songs like every couple weeks, but make a big project at
29:24
the end and put it together, but I think it depends on momentum
29:28
of the artist. that's like if you're a big, big, I always want
29:32
to keep stalking my mainstream engine, but if you have a super,
29:35
super big following, and You can get that off, you can but one
29:41
thing I think people you can do a little bit of both.
29:46
My last project 16 transfer that ass, I dropped a single, another
29:51
single, we dropped the 16 songs and then we pick singles off the
29:55
album, but I think it's starting to create like two different
29:59
lanes for ours to go into either you're going.
30:01
I feel like if that's what you and therefore there's no wrong
30:04
way about it. If you, if you just depends on
30:07
my how you hear your game plan towards, you know, if you want
30:10
to do the every, you know, every couple whatever is drop single,
30:13
single singles, you can. However, the Time the
30:17
disadvantage that I think are, if you're going single single
30:20
single single continuously, you're either going to push
30:23
something one way or another. And it's like, let's say you
30:26
make one song is like a party saw another song.
30:28
It's a Party Song and you're getting a lot of good.
30:31
You know. You did a lot of good that you
30:33
know momentum going that way. Then the next song you want to
30:36
talk about something different like a breakup or something.
30:38
That meat that might disadvantage you, because people
30:40
are used to bang, bang. Not something different.
30:43
Whereas, if you lose our project, you can Hit somebody
30:47
with it. So I think the best method is
30:49
probably a little bit of both moving forward, but more artists
30:53
are doing the singles but that can feel a flame out and that's
30:56
the tations of a certain way, you know, I feel like the
31:00
streaming game has slowly but surely begun to kind of Kill
31:05
album as we know it and let not completely.
31:09
But I think that as we move forward, we're starting to
31:14
realize what's this? You can't.
31:16
Me he's back in. Here you go.
31:19
I'm back. Yeah, I'm sorry.
31:23
As we move forward with beginning to sort of see the
31:26
artists aren't really making as much money as they should be
31:29
from streaming. Correct.
31:31
And some people do like they're very very upper top Echelon of
31:35
obviously like it when they get like hundreds of millions of
31:38
streams, they probably owning a little bit from it but the
31:41
consensus seems to be that people are learning from like
31:44
gigs and merchandise. Ice and then, anything else.
31:48
And for big artists, maybe they're not going to feel that
31:53
impact. But for up and coming artists, I
31:55
mean, I feel like the numbers they don't do much for them as
31:59
far as money is concerned but they do as far as like showing
32:02
like okay this is the potential of this artist.
32:04
Look at how much reach they have kind of thing.
32:08
But yeah my point just connecting it to what we were
32:10
talking about before is that like if you're an artist up and
32:13
coming now is there really much point for you to release an
32:16
album. given the context of that, you know, maybe it is
32:19
worth kind of continually releasing singles to a time when
32:25
it becomes. I don't know.
32:26
Somewhat profitable. It seems like it's a the time to
32:30
release a records. Maybe.
32:32
Yeah. It's the time I personally
32:36
wouldn't if you're like just starting out within a year or
32:41
two I by saying no because you want to build up that quick
32:45
catalog because at the end of the day, when it comes to music
32:49
and everything, it's all about catalog.
32:52
You know do you think at the end of the day it's all about
32:56
catalog and cuz at because you have one hot song if no one you
33:02
know has nothing else to go back to those on, they're going to
33:04
forget about you either way. Like, you know, you come in, we
33:08
all come across. Like, yo, this song is crazy
33:11
here artist and I don't got nothing.
33:14
That's a good point actually. Yeah their husband is 30.
33:19
What's worse is that they got one good track but the rest of
33:23
the tracks are trash and you're like oh yeah it's tough.
33:31
You just got chalk it up man. I think I think probably the
33:36
best thing but end of the day it always comes back to catalog.
33:39
Whether it's How much you have to offer because even though
33:43
we're in the quick consumer Market is still a consumer
33:47
Market in it. I've lost them.
33:51
I've lost them. He's gone, he's gone again.
33:54
Oh no, I've got fill up this space right now with the silence
33:58
and it's really odd because I'm not used to this level of
34:00
silence, all I hear is Blackness and darkness.
34:04
Nothing. And he's back, and I'm back.
34:11
See, the only reason I wanted to keep that going.
34:12
This is I don't have to edit Okay but now that's all great
34:17
but I yeah like you got to have content and then the day you
34:22
know and it's like on a personal level as an artist like I'm like
34:27
I got a lot of songs. How many songs you go?
34:31
Like in total that are release. 140 140 since when, since what
34:40
year 2010 every year since 2010 or 11, I would say 10 tracks a
34:48
month crikey. Oh damn.
34:52
Something like that. If you broke it down like that.
34:54
Yeah, but I got like eight projects.
34:57
Not know I got my projects now. So what would you say your
35:00
biggest successes so far? Even numbers performances
35:03
merchandise, What would you say? Oh, people you work with maybe?
35:09
Hmm. No, reverse order people.
35:12
I've worked with, I've worked with Mickey facts.
35:16
He's a, he's a rap using a double XL back with like think
35:20
was in two thousand, eight or nine.
35:22
He's an underground. He's very prominent working with
35:27
obviously my best friend. Mark, Thomas went to Saks, is in
35:30
the stacks, a lot of the songs, I have died, Michael row when
35:33
the keys in the world. Hooks, as I said before,
35:36
producer wise go to my 14, Really G from Jersey but I
35:42
shows. All right, there's a lot of the
35:46
pandemic kind of, you know my stat all up a little bit but I'm
35:53
more interested in doing like a live shows on YouTube and stuff.
35:56
I think that's a good Avenue in the alley to get into.
36:00
I'm so like what are you looking to do live streams, likewise
36:05
streams live performances stream?
36:07
Because you can do a lot at one time by utilizing the internet,
36:11
you know, I think that opened up We've lost him.
36:16
I've lost them again, as a hat-trick.
36:18
Now, we call that a hat-trick in the UK, we have an all sorts of
36:23
technical difficulties today, but it is a pleasure to have
36:27
Daryl on the show. I hope he does return to us if
36:30
he doesn't, I guess and wheeze back.
36:33
And I we missed all of that. What will you say, okay?
37:13
Doing things such as that online is a big Avenue.
37:19
And on top of that, it's still important.
37:20
You know, to be in a physical, which has driven a demand up.
37:26
Well, you looking to achieve in your music career moving
37:29
forward. Moving forward, and then
37:34
immediate you just want to keep ramping it up.
37:38
You know, I got to pull out by BP, everything available on my
37:42
YouTube, all the songs I've been talking about all the videos and
37:45
whatnot. I got another EP coming out next
37:49
month and we want to keep it. You guys are super singles.
37:52
Before I drop something, real big in quarter one next year and
37:56
just continue to network and, you know, work with You know,
38:01
great artists keep keep making up music, you know, keep
38:05
improving keep raising the bar. And what would you say is the
38:10
biggest lessons. Is that a child?
38:12
You got kid that. Yeah, my little boys over there
38:15
eating. Wow.
38:36
Turn it up. How is being a father changing?
38:39
You Oh, it gives you a lot more insight.
38:45
Do you have any kids? No, no, not yet.
38:48
Ah, well just, you know, like I know that sounds mad cliche, but
39:07
but you it almost gives you a whole different like point of
39:10
view of life. Would you say the whole
39:15
expression? You don't know.
39:17
Love until you see your told is true.
39:24
Yes, you have to say. So you know the funniest thing
39:31
is when my son was born, you know, if they show them to us
39:35
and no, I'm not my girlfriend, she's my mother.
39:55
Just a little guy. What?
40:01
Yeah, he over there eating. But but yes the little guy Ray
40:07
will cameras over here. So that's it.
40:10
Hey kid load a oh well, just like me sure but Okay.
40:19
Out of your career, with regards to music and producing and
40:22
everything in between, what would you say the biggest
40:24
lessons that music is taught you?
40:28
I think the biggest lesson that music is taught me, Is that?
40:38
There's never you can never find you can never not find new ways
40:41
to get your point across. You know, I think when when I
40:47
first started, I was about 17 and right out the gate go.
40:53
Well this is back then going back to their what we were
40:56
saying earlier. We came out for a whole album
40:59
after Rick and from the gate I always was in a more like I I
41:05
want to be independent before anything because at the end of
41:09
the day, like I really enjoy what I do.
41:12
It's not really about. I'm obviously going to have
41:16
break but but you know I'm saying by the same time.
41:19
It's like this is something that I enjoy like this is like, you
41:21
know, part of me, extension of me.
41:23
So one thing I was really worried about when I was
41:27
younger. I was like, you know, as things
41:29
is moving along, I'm gonna make my own like our third project, a
41:33
my 21, So, I'm still like mad young, but even like, as are
41:38
some like, damn, bro. Well, if I run out of stuff to
41:41
come up with, well, if I run out of material, like, like this is
41:45
something even, you know? Then I saw myself continuously
41:48
doing consistently like, this is like, as I enjoy this, am I all
41:52
invite? Maybe some people don't think
41:54
that but I damn, well, if I run out of ideas, like, that's
41:57
that's crazy. I'm still here and I ain't never
42:00
did without an idea. I never said the bar twice and
42:03
new songs sound the same. Same.
42:04
But I think the biggest lesson is being I just just going with
42:14
your gut. Whatever decision, whatever the
42:19
case is, you gotta go with your gut and I feel like that
42:22
translates into real life. Hmm.
42:25
Like Vibes. Don't lie.
42:28
Even though feelings, don't lie and staying true to yourself.
42:31
Like if you always really liked true to yourself, Why you going
42:36
to be alright? Like, We just lost sound but I
42:42
totally agree with what that was saying here.
42:46
I don't know, I don't know if you can hear me, but I'll
42:48
continue on that point. There is a lot to be said for
42:53
relying, on your gut feeling and your instincts.
42:56
And I think for me possibly five or six years ago, maybe even
43:01
sooner than that couple of years back.
43:03
I started doing that and it's true.
43:06
It never never. Does you wrong.
43:09
It really, doesn't it. Like I often like to refer to it
43:13
as like a cheat code. It's like you're getting the
43:15
answers. All you have to do is just
43:17
listen Interesting now. You're right and then just being
43:21
resourceful show. Yeah yeah.
43:25
Make the most of what's around you.
43:27
I will say there's like you have to kind of like Put yourself in
43:31
the right head space, in order to receive opportunities, like
43:37
you got to have the right attitude of think, because if
43:39
you don't, that's when you miss opportunities.
43:43
And obviously, when opportunities come, you've got a
43:45
make the most of them. I really try and do your best to
43:49
make it make it, you know, they are for it's like this.
43:53
This show every time I have someone on the guest, on the
43:56
show I try to Get a good conversation out of them.
44:01
I try to kind of get something that people can take away from
44:04
it and go, okay? This is what I took away from
44:06
this episode. This is what I learned from this
44:08
episode or yeah. Oh, yeah.
44:10
And it could be anything. It doesn't have to always be
44:11
inspiring. It could be like poignant, it
44:13
could be funny. It could be whatever, but you
44:17
take something from it and I pride myself on the show, always
44:20
being different. Every episode, no episode 2
44:23
episodes are ever the same and part of that comes to Adapting
44:30
around my guest somewhat and trying to shift myself around
44:34
and it's not easy. It's really not easy, especially
44:37
when it's like the first time meeting someone as well, because
44:40
you don't always never going to click with someone and you got
44:43
to kind of try and maneuver that.
44:44
And I don't know it in my life right now.
44:48
Like I've just recently started bartending again, I haven't been
44:53
in customer services for like a while, but I came back to it
44:56
because it just it works right now and the thing.
44:59
Thing that I'm realizing that's really useful that I'm using
45:02
back in podcasting is just communicate just a lot of
45:05
confidence because obviously when you're a bartender you know
45:08
you have a big queue, got a kind of announce yourself.
45:10
They're like hey I'm available, you don't hear so I'm a man
45:14
however at me sometimes. Yeah but you did it with that.
45:24
Is that like sometimes I really actually need to do work and
45:28
someone's Trying to confide in me.
45:30
And I'm like, hmm, yeah, yeah. And I'm doing like, 15 different
45:34
drinks. And once in a while that.
45:35
Uh-huh. Great.
45:36
Yeah, hope that works out. Yeah.
45:39
Hmm. What should I do?
45:42
What's, what's the best? Drink, you make real quick real
45:44
quick? What's like, what's like, what's
45:47
like, what's like that been worse?
45:48
Like this is the Mitch right here.
45:52
I got you some to say, you know, what's your I think?
45:54
I make a good espresso martini. And I've always, I've always
45:58
been pretty good at that. I love making cocktails to me
46:02
whenever you make her up tells it's like that's like ultimate
46:06
bartending 101, right there. It's, you really feel like,
46:10
yeah, man, I'm the man. This is, this is like, and in,
46:13
to be honest, making cocktails is really easy.
46:15
It really is Much easier than lighting a cigarette
46:37
slowly getting into because I've always felt uncomfortable with
46:41
advertising myself in real life. Yes, I don't I don't like to be
46:47
Hey, yeah, great. So, here's my life story.
46:49
Here's everything on trying to do these care, because most
46:52
people don't care, but I'm slowly like, I kind of try to
46:56
get to know someone first or see if, in someone like him, would
47:01
they be interested in this? And if it seems like they might
47:03
be, sometimes I'll float. The idea of be like, hey, if
47:07
you're interested, I do this by the way or, you know, but
47:10
normally I wait for when people ask me or it comes up in
47:13
conversation and then talk about it, but yeah.
47:17
I'm getting, I'm getting better at it getting Paradigm.
47:19
Trying to advertise more because that's how you get hurt.
47:23
I say get scenes and you never know who you where that
47:27
conversation could go and what it could lead to.
47:29
So day by day man. A couple of final questions for
47:36
you. What's the best advice you've
47:39
ever received? The best advice I ever received.
47:52
I think the best advice I ever got probably have to be
47:56
something from my dad. Definitely had to be something
48:01
for my dad so many lessons. I think one of the best things I
48:05
learned about him was Just be. Damn, what's that word?
48:16
Conviction. There you go.
48:20
Like, you know, just like being be purposeful with hearing tank.
48:26
Whatever it whatever it is like you know just be purposeful with
48:29
your intent. And then now like but it helps
48:34
out with a lot of shit. Like like if you're a friend, is
48:37
somebody supposed to be the through thick and thin?
48:40
Well, if I'm not really going to try to be there for somebody to
48:43
take it friend, thick and thin. I'm not really going to be a
48:45
monopoly fake but you know since boundaries to help set
48:48
boundaries and Boundary setting boundaries in life you know
48:51
especially as IRS as a creative guy set boundaries because you
48:55
know sometimes you know how it is the people that are closest
48:59
to always you know see the vision that You see the vision
49:02
so you have to like with it. When you get into your creative
49:05
space you guys you know such a value wherever the cases or
49:08
whatever it may be and personal or whatever it is.
49:12
So just be a very purposeful with me intent, you know, just
49:15
being very about what you about keeping the main thing, the main
49:20
thing Great stuff. What's the biggest life lesson
49:25
you've learned so far? Then everything is always made
49:33
up of little things, add up to like The Compound Effect.
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You feel me? No, I think I lost him like The
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Compound Effect like the penny doubling or whatever the case
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may be. Like everything's always working
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in one way or another. So it's like even if it's
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something has like someone's ability, do I want to lose
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weight? It's like, that's cool and all
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but it's like, wow. Like little step that shit.
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You found me. It's funny.
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You mention that today, I posted a bunch of pictures online of my
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progress over the last five months training in the gym gym
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as working hard. Yeah.
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And exactly what you said the first month, it make any
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progress, two months, very little progress.
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Three months, starting to see stuff for months.
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Really starting to make progress five months.
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Finally starting to be happy with how I feel about how I look
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and it all starts and the little things you're right.
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It all comes together and you just have to keep working at it
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working on it, working on it. And eventually you get that how
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many days a week ago? It varies.
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Before I started this bartend and stuff I was doing like every
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other day so it'd be like one day on one day off one day on
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one day off right now because I'm working like 50 hours a week
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or whatever. I'm sort of going on my off
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days. Right this week on for instance
50:58
today tomorrow. And then Saturday.
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I mean at the same time you over time because of that, little bit
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about little bit you can go you know at the very minimum three
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times a week and you're good because you ramped it up, it
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also helps with bartending because you're always moving
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around. So you do less cardio in the gym
51:18
and then also lifting barrels in the cellar.
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It's heavy. It's basically like lifted like
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40 kg or whatever. Like when it's full y'all need
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they need is just a little sprinkle me here and there for
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real It's interesting as well with the gym.
51:39
Do you get you do go to the gym as well?
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Yeah. Yeah I do go right now, the one
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that go to the courts messed up so I go in there and just
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whoo-hoo whooping. Oh wait I got ya.
51:51
So it's not you know I think personally I prefer staying
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Sports to Jimmy because I love Jim.
51:59
Look at me wrong it's part of the lifestyle but I feel like
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when you're playing sports You don't notice like you're pushing
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yourself harder like I'm really competitive price.
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I love playing football, basketball, whatever.
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Like I love that. And yeah you you push yourself
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harder. You're sweating like crazy.
52:18
And you don't notice the effect until afterwards.
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Yeah, you can play like three or four pickup games, it's like
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shit. I was an hour and 45 minutes,
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but it's like, yo you just played like not this summer but
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the last summer I was legit going to the basket.
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Ball court like four or five times a week and playing like
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five hours straight basketball, is insane.
52:45
It was in shape. No, but I was I discovered, I
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still have stamina. Let's put it that way over time.
52:55
Now though. Over time though.
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Yeah, I mean it's I think the biggest thing it made me realize
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one thing, it taught me which I already knew but it was good to
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be reminded of was that like the way to get better in life is to
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always be around people better than you.
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That's how you learn. Because I mean I was playing
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with people that were like, I'm paying a teams miles better than
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me, been paying all their life. I'd only been playing like six
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months, but I got better because of being around them and I
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really enjoyed. It was a lot of fun.
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But yeah, I just want to bring this to a close and say, a
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massive, thank you for being on the show as a final question.
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Do you have any upcoming projects or final thoughts you'd
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like to share with our listeners?
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Yeah, for sure. First of all, thank you for
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having me here. But you're right now cool out by
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VP. Darrell Watson is already out
53:50
right now in the video already on the YouTube, youtube.com
53:54
Darryl, Watson and J Instagram, same thing just like that right
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there. I ain't trying to run but but
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also I got another EP coming out in October.
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So, keep going guys, pill is he busy?
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Busy, fantastic. Well, it's been an absolute
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pleasure. Having you on the show?
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And Thank you, ma'am. She knew exactly appreciate it.
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And we'll definitely be in touch brilliant.
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And to all the listeners of the Christian read podcast.
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I hope you enjoyed this episode. And as always be safe, be well
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and I see in the next one.