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Kange | The Christian Reeve Podcast | #118 | · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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  Hello, and welcome to another episode of the Christian we've
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  podcast. Today's guest is a rapper and
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  producer all the way from Paris by the name of Kanga.
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  And cans are shit. I know I should have I forgot to
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  ask beforehand, dammit. Alright, can change, right?
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  Welcome to the show Kenji. How's it going?
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  Good. Thank you very much.
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  Thank you for having me. No, it's a pleasure is pleasure.
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  And the first thing I wanted to jump into before we get into,
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  your music is, will see your from Paris, but I don't know.
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  You sound British to me. What's your, what's your
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  background real quick? So from The Edge late. 128.
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  Okay, let me start from the beginning.
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  So I was born in Paris, cool in the British hospital and then
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  because my parents met in Paris, and then they moved to England.
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  So, I lived there till I was eight and then I came back to
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  France because they wanted us to learn French because everyone
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  else could speak French in my family, my big brother, my mom
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  and my dad. And so then at 18, I moved back
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  to England for University. In Paris.
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  What, what how does? How is?
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  Because I've got a few friends that have this kind of
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  situation. I've had people on the podcast
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  of had this as well. How does that kind of have a
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  bearing on? Not just on your life, but also
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  in your music like, you know, you can sort of feel almost
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  caught between two places. Sometimes like, how has that had
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  an impact on you and your life. it's I think I think it's had
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  mostly an impact may be friends wives like social wise because
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  like I can like there's a culture shock, right?
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  When you go in between the two countries.
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  So you have to adapt to each culture and kind of fit in even
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  if you don't want to. So then in the end in the end
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  you're like on the edge and you kind of don't belong anywhere,
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  but I was kind of lucky because I was able to go to some
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  international schools. So I had other people that had
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  that kind of background and we could like you know, relate to
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  each other. But when I first got to France,
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  I was like Kind of outgrew in this like International learning
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  language section and we'll also integrated into French classes
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  and we were kind of like outcasted by the French people.
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  They would only talk to us to like learn English words and but
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  it all turned out. Alright, so if yeah, that's
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  cool. That's cool.
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  It has different ways. I could approaches.
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  Let's let's go. Let's start with your music.
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  And then we'll Circle back to how its impacted during music.
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  But Yeah. Where is where did your kind of
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  music career start? Like Tapas sort of the
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  beginnings up to now? Well, music is always been
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  involved in my life. I started learning on the
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  violin, then I switched to guitar and then I learned a bit
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  of drums and then from there my interest in music just kind of
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  grew. But before that I wanted to be
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  like a wanted to be an inventor or an engineer.
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  Oh cool. Yeah.
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  And then coming to France and I didn't have the Back for math or
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  science. So I moved towards literature.
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  Okay, that Indian kind of push me towards music and like
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  learning more creative Styles, but it was only in uni that I
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  picked up production and wrapping and stuff like that.
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  So I've been doing that for like four years now?
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Because you're, you're pursuing an independent music career.
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  Which by the way, I think is the smartest move for any musician.
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  I'm a musician as well myself. I just haven't sort of had the
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  Means to pursue that properly, I'm working towards it.
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  You know, I'm writing the music but I just haven't got to that
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  sort of stage yet, but literally every musician I've had on the
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  show, we always have the same conversation which is like if
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  you're trying to get into the industry, I think it's better to
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  pursue independent so that you can have, you know, ownership
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  over what you're doing. You know what I mean?
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  Like, you see so many major artists right now.
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  Fighting back obviously, there was that.
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  I mean, I wouldn't have gone about it this way, but I
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  remember it Kanye. So literally tweeted out his
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  whole contract but his point was still very important which is
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  that they can't own you, or at least that's what those
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  contracts were, you know. So you here, Chappelle talked
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  about it, you here Prince, talk about it.
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  That's why he famously referred to himself as the artist when he
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  came back because you know, in those contracts at least back in
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  the day, they refer to the performer as As the artist but
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  they own you, they own everything you do.
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  And there's this famous allow me to go on a bit of a tangent
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  here. But there's this famous
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  interview with with Prince where he's talking about this and he
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  says that like when he came back He literally recorded and did
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  everything on this particular record himself.
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  You know, he paid for the studio time, he wrote all the songs, he
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  did everything and the record company was trying to say, well
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  no, you know, I mean you signed this contract, we own this and
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  it's one of those situations, isn't it?
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  When that is ridiculous because you wrote the music, you should
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  own it, but if you sign a contract, you give away your
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  rights. Now obviously we're much more
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  clued up. Up, the music industry has
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  changed but that can still potentially happen to artists.
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  So I think, you know, going back to the original point, I think
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  it's really important that there is that push towards being
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  independent and maybe trying to leverage your position in order
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  to get like a distribution deal as opposed to like an ownership
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  deal. And one final point is to add on
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  this, is there was a particular artist.
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  I saw who he sort of became big on Tick, Tock, you know, there's
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  a lot of artists that do. Not now and a bunch of record
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  companies approached him and said, well, you know, you're
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  pulling hundreds of thousands of lessons right now.
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  But if you want to get to the big leagues, you need to sign
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  with us and then you can get millions and he said, no, I
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  think I'm good right now because he obviously saw the writing on
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  the wall, he knew what was going on and then what at least a
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  couple of them said to him your there's no way you're going to,
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  you're going to get to those levels without us, you know that
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  Sit for you. It's capped for you and then lo
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  and behold the guy got like 170 million, listen to something,
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  but point is, you gotta stand your ground.
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  So let's bring it back to you. You're pursuing this intimate
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  independent music career. I would wager.
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  It's because of those reasons. But, you know, you probably have
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  your own reasons for doing so. So one thing I wanted to know
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  just before we sort of delve into those have you tried to get
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  signed by a label before, have you gone down that route and
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  what? Said the benefits of pursuing it
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  independently. So, no, I've never tried to get
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  signed before for a label, just because I started this up in uni
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  and so I was just concentrating on like developing Minecraft.
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  And we actually did have record label Representatives come by
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  and, you know, give us some some of the details or stuff like
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  that, but it just seemed like it.
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  I kind of learned to love all the process behind me.
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  Music. So you know, recording picking
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  the Beats marketing, your music and making like the album cover
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  and music video and I just I don't know I just find out more
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  fun coming up with all that stuff in the content creation
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  and I maybe I'm a bit of a control freak, but I don't think
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  I could hand it off to someone else just like that.
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  And, you know, and they take advantage to because you do make
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  the music and all they do is Market it.
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  And if you could, if you could do Do that yourself which you
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  can now then you don't really need them.
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  But I mean if you're the kind of artist that needs to focus on
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  just your music and you can't do everything then go for a label
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  but just know that you're going to have to give up some of your
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  rights. I mean, especially now that
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  they're doing, you know, the 360 deals with the with like they
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  take a put a bit of your merch and like some of your concert
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  profits and stuff like that. And any like sponsorship Deals.
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  They get you. They take a bit of a percentage
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  of that. So you need to really be careful
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  on what contract you sign, and if you do want to go for a
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  label, make sure you have leverage before you go for a
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  label. So, with that particular deal,
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  because I haven't heard of that before, when you say a
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  percentage, are we talking a big percentage?
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  Or is it like a small College 5%?
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  10% 15% some, another think it would be closer to 20%, but
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  don't quote me on that. I never saw the percentages in
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  like real time. I think it depends on the artist
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  and like, what you have. Going, mmm, but I know that
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  those 360 deals they do take a lot out of like your merch sell,
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  maybe your YouTube Revenue, your anything that they set up for
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  you. They can take a percentage of
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  that because they deem that they made you as big as you are to
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  have those things. So you know and if they're not
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  getting enough from music anymore because people aren't
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  buying CDs and it's all on streaming and streaming doesn't
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  pay much. So they can't afford to just
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  take from the music. We have to take from everything
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  you do. It's crazy.
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  Like I've seen so many musicians, talk about what these
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  record company, executives are like and still I like to this
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  day and to me it just it makes me think like why on Earth would
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  you ever sign with them? You know.
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  No, but like, but seriously, like what you said there is so
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  true and I totally agree. It's like, if you're going to
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  sign with a label, The idea is that you at least in this day
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  and age is that you would sign because you want to get
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  exposure, you want to get pushed promoted like you said, with the
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  marketing and stuff. But again, as you said like you
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  can do all that stuff yourself. I mean like when I'm the same as
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  you, I am a bit of a control freak and you know I do
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  everything myself now because I have to and I know that one day
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  eventually I'm going to hand over these things to people, but
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  I would rather employ people have like a staff and get them
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  to do that. And pay them a wage or something
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  as opposed to getting a record company or management company,
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  whatever to get involved in own part of what I do, because that
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  is ridiculous. They haven't done anything like
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  your It would make more sense. Logically from a business
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  perspective to charge them for services, that that makes total
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  sense but then owning anything that you do is ridiculous and as
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  you say like you've really got to check these contracts, I
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  mean, got a good lawyer or at least be able to understand the
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  lingo because they can catch you.
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  And that's what they try to do. They especially back in the day,
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  when people, you know, rock stars or whatever, would just
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  sign a contract and be like, yeah, whatever.
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  And then, 30 years later they're battling and caught trying to
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  get ownership of their music. And it's the I let that was that
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  thing. I think somewhere in the 2010s,
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  possibly where I think the Beatles had just gotten back
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  ownership of their back catalogue, something like that,
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  it what it was was that they would their music was then put
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  on to Apple music or iTunes whenever and it was like a big
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  deal and I was wondering well why is that big deal?
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  So is it just because they're just on there now and they
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  weren't before, but I think it was something to do with this
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  that they didn't own it before. And now they do.
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  So now they have the rights to their own music and it's like oh
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  my God. Yeah and I mean just going back
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  to what I said before you know that's why these major artists
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  like Kanye are saying that and it's good that that people like
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  that are saying that because you know he has got leverage and he
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  doesn't care anymore. You know, he's got that power he
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  can just do that. I mean there's other artists as
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  well. Taylor Swift is a really good
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  example where she's like re-recorded but that's an Sting
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  concept right there because they still own her original
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  recordings. So she's then, yes.
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  So Gone. Ya know, like you said that,
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  she's then re-recording and it's, but then do does she take
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  those old ones down? But it sure does.
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  She like release under a different name or like like,
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  what's the deal? I don't, I haven't read up
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  enough on it to like, I think pinion.
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  But like, I'm I, yeah, same here. but what from what I
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  understand like she owns the music but like as in night, she
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  can record as many versions of she wants and she wrote it but
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  at the same time, Let's put it this way for her to be able to
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  do this right now. It means that she must have a
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  controlling share in her interest in her music.
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  Sorry. You know, because they wouldn't
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  let her do that otherwise, but at the same time she does not
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  own that orig those original Masters, whatever, so Chic, you
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  know, something like shake it off or something like that.
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  Like she probably owns a percentage of that.
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  But she the, most most of that part B, is the record company
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  getting the money. Yeah.
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  And It's interesting. Like even even big bands like
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  Metallica And in the metal industry.
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  They formed their own record label in his 2015's, pretty
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  recent and they'd only acquired that catalog in the 2010's.
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  And since then, obviously, they think they since released an
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  album on that label and they've got artists on their own label
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  now, Etc. So they built into something
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  bigger. But the initial purpose was to
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  re-release, the music under that Label and start learning what
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  they should be earning for it. And it's it's a crazy concept.
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  Really, it really is but some some new labels and maybe labels
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  coming into New Management are changing the way they do things
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  because I remember talking I think by the president of Island
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  Records came to my you need to give a speech and you know, we
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  also talked to some of the A&R people and they really talk
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  about musicians now, having a social media presence.
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  Residents and being able to do their own social media, not have
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  the label manage that. So I think someday was a trying
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  to adapt, but then again, they stood, I mean, it's not like
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  they control completely your creative like Your crate like
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  your music and tell you what to post and what not to post, but
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  they still take a percentage of what you do.
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  So it really depends on your preferences.
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  If I was signing a deal, I mean I'd rather go for the
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  distribution deal but I think they're moaning a car.
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  Is not like the worst thing that could happen.
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  I mean I when I look at that other contexts like Princeton
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  summon the spiring actor as well and you know having an agent if
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  they take a car but they're providing new services and
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  representation. Yeah, seems fair reasonable to
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  me. But you know it's that when they
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  start owning you or more importantly, they can tell you
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  where to be at any one time or what to have to do.
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  Like, you know, I feel really bad.
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  For instance, in this Britney Spears situation with her It's a
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  conservatorship. I think it's called where I had
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  to react to read up on this because what the hell is this,
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  and from what I understand, it's like around the time she had her
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  breakdown in the mid-2000s, she signed this conservatorship
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  where her father and her family and to an extent, the record
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  company Controlled her assets and, and her personal interest,
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  but where she has to be what she has to do.
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  But the danger at that is that it means that She has to do
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  everything that they tell her even from a personal level.
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  So they control like what she eats where she goes.
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  How many shows she doesn't a given day and giving years.
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  Like she can't turn stuff down. She has to be at places and
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  that's a scary thought that that people can own you to the extent
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  that they can tell you where you have to be at any one time
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  that's terrifying. Well yeah, I totally get that
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  and let's talk a little bit more about your record company.
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  So you said it's been in the works for a couple of years now,
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  is that right? 23 years but no, no sorry I
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  don't have a record so I know record company and you're so
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  you're producing your own staff. But have you produced any other
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  artists under that is kind of what I meant?
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  Like it's not recover their. Yeah D.
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  So do you have like an indie label or do You produce other
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  artists or you just produce in yourself, and it's kind of, that
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  kind of thing. I have produced other artists
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  mainly friends at Uni and I helped Market, one of my friends
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  albums one time for like another uni module, but no, I mainly
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  make music for myself. I've recently sold a beat or two
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  to an artist. I met Hearing in Paris, but
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  yeah, for the, for the most part, I just make music for
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  myself with that selling Beats. Think I've seen that quite a lot
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  in the in the music industry now like are you so do you own that
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  beat and people pay you to use that beat or how does that work?
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  So it really depends. So if it's a collaboration, you
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  would take a percentage of the royalties.
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  And so this depends on the producer, but most producers
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  that you meet online and that you want to buy a Beat from you.
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  You just go to there at the beach Stars website, or
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  whatever, they're selling it on and you buy it, but there's
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  different format. So, if you buy it for $20, you
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  only get like the mp3 mp3 version and you can only use it
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  on a limited amount of stuff. And if you pay more than, you
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  know, you get better perks and then if you pay like full price,
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  then it's exclusive and that beat will be taken down and that
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  beat is just for you, okay? So that's an interesting concept
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  because I wondered like, If it was just like a one-time deal
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  you just sell it and keep or presumably yeah you just keep
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  selling it to artists and they can then use it but then it
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  obviously if it blows up if it does really really well.
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  Like I wonder do you get a percentage of that?
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  Then if it's oh I don't know. Like I think it really does
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  depend on the producer and the artists are working together
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  because they could really like each other and they'll be like
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  well if this blows up and you can get like 10 or 20% of their
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  like that. Oh wow.
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  From what I've heard generally you would just pay for the
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  exclusive and if it blows up and that money is yours because you
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  paid for that beat so I don't know.
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  Some teachers might come back asking for royalties.
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  I would be one of the biggest advice my lecturers gave me when
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  I was at Uni. Was that even though it's a
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  feature with a friend, you should write up a contract.
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  Just in case. So you know what's happening.
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  And generally when you buy a beat, there is a contract that
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  comes down that you have to sign.
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  And you can read through that and see what you allowed, and
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  what you're not allowed to do what they probably put a close
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  of. Like what happens if it blows
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  up? I don't know.
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  Yeah. No, I know you gotta have that
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  stuff in there, 100%. So, let's talk about kind of
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  what your main goes. In your music career, what
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  you're trying to achieve. What's the What's the main Mo or
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  goal? Well, top of the charts, really?
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  If that's yeah, like a short time, is long term stability,
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  but Financial stability and all that.
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  But to be honest, like my main dream right now I think is like
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  really just seeing that I have a fan base that's solid and
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  engaged and we can like kind of build a community of off of
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  that. So I'm really trying to
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  concentrate on that by building my socials and all that stuff.
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  Awesome. And what's kind of your approach
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  to songwriting or say, you're a rapper?
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  So, what kind of themes are you exploring?
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  And, and yeah, how do you approach writing a song?
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  So generally I would give myself a topic.
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  I know sometimes beats and sounds can speak to me.
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  So, sometimes if I'm feeling a bit of an Autumn vibe from the
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  sound or like, I can feel a bit of a Nostalgia Vibe or like
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  melancholy, And I'll go off what I'm feeling and getting from
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  that be, and then choose a topic that's like, relevant to that.
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  And then, from that topic, I'll kind of pick back into my life
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  experiences stories. I've read movies.
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  I've seen, and try and write like a coherent song around
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  those kind of things. Yeah, awesome, awesome.
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  And who would you say are your or what are your sources of
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  inspiration, but who are you drawn to?
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  So I would say so what? Okay, when I was growing up I
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  was like really heavy into indie rock, and metal.
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  So from there, I like discovered Paramore Twenty One Pilots, you
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  know, the main, The Wombats and all that stuff.
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  And that was really cool and I really like dress variation from
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  their songwriting. And then I think Twenty One
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  Pilots. When I heard, I forgot.
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  I forgot the name of When I heard the lead singer rap, I was
• 22:11
  like, oh that's so cool. I kind of want to rap now.
• 22:13
  I wanted to try that out. Oh yeah, yeah.
• 22:16
  And then when I got to UNI, I have discovered Childish,
• 22:20
  Gambino Drake, and we were listening to more like
• 22:23
  out-of-pocket stuff, like PJ Harvey and other bands that I
• 22:30
  can't remember. But it was like really
• 22:31
  out-of-pocket stuff and I and all of that kind of just
• 22:34
  influenced what I did. And then I did, you know,
• 22:37
  discovered Drake And burn a boy and from there, that kind of
• 22:43
  push me more towards rap. You know, Jay collge Kendrick
• 22:46
  Lamar. So yeah, my like, my music, my
• 22:49
  music taste is kind of all over the place place but they've all
• 22:53
  inspired me and because I started like out learning on
• 22:57
  guitar like I was listening to bands like Jimi, Hendrix AC/DC
• 23:02
  or for that. And I think all of that has like
• 23:05
  translated into my My songwriting and the way I also
• 23:10
  like, think about, developing my music.
• 23:13
  Awesome. I just want to bring it back
• 23:15
  briefly to you know, being split between England and France.
• 23:20
  Like how has that had an impact or has it had an impact on your
• 23:24
  songwriting? You know?
• 23:25
  I mean obviously, you know, you're always going to kind of
• 23:28
  draw inspiration for, but as you already said, you've done this
• 23:31
  variation from lots of different areas.
• 23:32
  But I've often found that because I've lived in other
• 23:35
  countries myself and and, you know, I can always see that the
• 23:40
  The to the main types of music that seems to be prevalent.
• 23:43
  They're always different seniors, always different
• 23:45
  wherever you go and I just wondered like, has that really
• 23:48
  had an impact on your music? So, I hated the French music
• 23:56
  when I first got here, okay? So they call it shots of horses
• 24:03
  which is a lot of, like, I expect guitars and accordions
• 24:07
  and like I don't know, just like yeah, give me as an accordion
• 24:14
  not your job. The same that you think music
• 24:19
  here. So we get like number one hits
• 24:21
  from Spain. Oh cool Portugal, you know,
• 24:25
  Africa. So there's a lot of diversity in
• 24:28
  the music scene. Coming back a lot.
• 24:31
  The rap scene has developed quite a bit, and I find that
• 24:34
  quite interesting, the, the over use autotune here, which is
• 24:38
  another instrument, like, You know, people think the us over
• 24:41
  use it, they music because I don't get that.
• 24:49
  Like sometimes you hear I can a major artist using autotune
• 24:53
  you're like, but you can sing. Why are you why are you using
• 24:56
  it? Why it's not necessary.
• 24:59
  The human ear is just used to autotune now and so is just
• 25:02
  sounds a lot more pleasant like even I use like auto-tune and I
• 25:06
  had to like, I had to like regulate it over the years
• 25:08
  because in the beginning, it was Much.
• 25:10
  Then it was like too little and so now I found like my perfect
• 25:13
  middle. But yeah, yeah, that's fine.
• 25:16
  But like I get it like you're kind of coming at it from the
• 25:19
  perspective of like you're, you know, experiment it's different
• 25:21
  when you're an independent audit in it because you're trying to
• 25:24
  as you say, you're trying to kind of find your Vibe, see what
• 25:26
  works, you know, experiment with different things.
• 25:28
  And I totally agree with that, you know, use it, use it as a
• 25:31
  tool, sometimes it's, it's useful.
• 25:33
  It can, you know, I don't either how bad this will sound, so
• 25:37
  don't come at me for this, but when you're recording, The music
• 25:40
  in the studio. Sometimes.
• 25:42
  It's just quicker to use the auto-tune then to see it.
• 25:47
  Yeah. But it depends, it depends
• 25:49
  because you still have to perform.
• 25:51
  Well, you know, I mean so like if ya like if you if you
• 25:54
  performed it well but you're just like a little bit out of
• 25:57
  sync, you can kind of or this it out sing like a cartoon.
• 26:02
  It's like a facelift, you know. Yeah.
• 26:04
  It's a good way bigger. Yeah, you have to know how to
• 26:08
  sing to use autotune. Yes.
• 26:10
  If you don't know how to sing then you'll hear it.
• 26:12
  Like that's just the base. So, so I remember when I was
• 26:17
  recording my first, like, EP with this metal band that I was
• 26:20
  in, I used to sit and talk to the producer for like hours.
• 26:25
  I was so inspired by this guy and we have really fun chats.
• 26:27
  And we had the same work ethics, we got on really well.
• 26:30
  And I remember one time he just was telling me about artists
• 26:34
  he's worked with and, you know, they they come in, they'll be
• 26:38
  like, oh, we want to sound like Killswitch Engage, and he would
• 26:41
  just turn around and be like, we, you need to play like
• 26:43
  Killswitch Engage, but he got his said that, like he could do
• 26:48
  a lot in the studio. He could, he could kind of make
• 26:51
  you sound. Probably better than you are
• 26:54
  like a member there want. It was one band that we sort of
• 26:58
  played with on the independent circuit and I'd heard them live
• 27:02
  and I'm not going to name drop. So they'll never know whose size
• 27:08
  is it? Or they would just not good
• 27:10
  life. You know what I mean?
• 27:12
  And I'd seen it so many times when you listen to a record and
• 27:15
  it sounds great sounds promising, then you see them
• 27:17
  live in your life. It's not even the same band, but
• 27:20
  he said that like, you know, there's Only so much you can do
• 27:23
  and, you know, you still need to perform to a certain level so
• 27:27
  that he can fix it to a point where it sounds better than it
• 27:29
  already is. Anyway, I kind of, I mean
• 27:37
  difference, right? I was just gonna say that still
• 27:39
  happens today. Like everyone here is like
• 27:42
  because, you know, in the studio, you can chop up, if you
• 27:44
  don't get it, let you know, you can rearrange things.
• 27:47
  So when you go in here, the artist live is completely
• 27:49
  different. I think now it On how the artist
• 27:53
  performs it live, if they switch up the whole thing and make it
• 27:57
  like a completely different thing that you can get away with
• 27:59
  not sounding exactly like you did on the record because you're
• 28:02
  making a different life experience.
• 28:04
  You know. I agree I think that that is
• 28:07
  very important. I think that you know people to
• 28:13
  some extent do expect I mean I think that with certain songs
• 28:15
  there are certain things you expect to hear when you when you
• 28:17
  hear them play live like yeah for instance I was I was just
• 28:21
  this is just random. Mm, but I was watching an old
• 28:24
  life clip of Led Zeppelin from like the 70s or something,
• 28:28
  right? And I noticed that he Robert
• 28:32
  Plant was not performing certain notes in that he normally would,
• 28:37
  and don't get me wrong. I understand you're doing a tour
• 28:39
  like, yeah, it's grueling, but he was it kind of sounded a bit
• 28:44
  lazy. It was a bit, like, you know,
• 28:47
  the song supposed to be like, no, like that.
• 28:49
  And he's singing kind of like, oh, And it's like, people pay
• 28:55
  good money to come see you man. Perform.
• 28:57
  Like, you know, you don't have to die, felt the whole thing,
• 29:00
  like you do, did on the record but like, it just sounds like
• 29:03
  moment. Like, yeah, this just sounds
• 29:05
  like a bad covers band like, I don't know, man.
• 29:11
  Maybe I'm being mean. Yeah, I wanted to get into this
• 29:17
  because I thought this would be an interesting point.
• 29:19
  So as a female rapper, do you feel you're sort of being taken
• 29:23
  more seriously as an artist now that there's like, you know,
• 29:26
  successful female rappers out there, like, cardi, B, Nicki
• 29:29
  Minaj, Etc, like it. Do you kind of Field like in
• 29:34
  terms of like how people in the industry are treating you how
• 29:37
  fans are treating you the media whatever like do you feel you're
• 29:42
  being taken. Seriously.
• 29:47
  That's a difficult question, actually.
• 29:53
  Okay. So as part of underground rap
• 29:57
  and kind of slowly coming into that Community, I feel like
• 30:01
  female artists or rappers overlooked could be not more.
• 30:06
  So, not respected, just overlooked because and because
• 30:11
  in underground rap, there's a certain, I don't to say they're
• 30:15
  snobs, they're not schnapps, okay?
• 30:18
  It's just, there's a certain kind of quality and That is
• 30:22
  expected of you and you have to you know be better than the
• 30:27
  artists are already up there. So cardi B, you know that
• 30:33
  they're all great, female rappers and like totally respect
• 30:38
  them but they also do sell Some of their music with their body
• 30:46
  and and and they're great artist.
• 30:52
  Regardless, I don't really mind. But I do notice a difference
• 30:56
  with the females then in the underground rap that do the same
• 30:59
  thing and then they're not taken seriously.
• 31:02
  And that's probably because at the same time, maybe their music
• 31:05
  isn't as the same standards as Nicki Minaj or cardi B.
• 31:09
  But I feel like some might get overlooked because of their
• 31:13
  selling, their The same way and then and then you have the out
• 31:20
  underground, hip-hop, female artists, maybe that's more my
• 31:23
  lane and that don't sell use them use their body to sell
• 31:26
  their music and it's just a little more quiet over there.
• 31:30
  If that makes sense. I haven't seen much attention go
• 31:35
  to people like that. Apart from maybe Durga cat and
• 31:39
  Pink Panther is and I say do your cat.
• 31:42
  I mean does your cat on her come up?
• 31:45
  Yeah, I get what you mean, actually, because I had to know,
• 31:50
  like, for me, personally, I can't stand all of that.
• 31:53
  Like image, Focus stuff in pop music.
• 31:56
  I tried to just kind of Zone it out and just focus on the music.
• 32:01
  Yeah, yeah. And like like, like you said,
• 32:03
  they're all amazing artists, but you're right is, their image is
• 32:07
  a massive part of it. It doesn't need to be at all,
• 32:10
  but it's just, I suppose it's just the pop industry as an and
• 32:13
  that that is what. Saying there is a very clear
• 32:16
  distinction. There is a big distinction
• 32:17
  between those artists while they are wrapping and they are
• 32:20
  rappers. They are first and foremost pop
• 32:24
  artists. Now versus, you know, the
• 32:28
  underground staff. The people that come in at
• 32:30
  people that are not trying to use their image.
• 32:32
  And there's people like, like princess Nokia, you have a UK
• 32:38
  rapper, lady Leisure know they're all like, but can you
• 32:42
  like as you see, they're not as big as cardi B.
• 32:44
  You or Nicki Minaj Just because they didn't sell their music in
• 32:48
  the same way. Hmm, didn't do that music in the
• 32:51
  same way. So but you know, they're all
• 32:53
  legends in their own, right? Well, here's a random question
• 32:57
  related. Do you think we're going to get
• 32:59
  to the point where, you know, image is not necessary anymore?
• 33:03
  Do you think we're headed in that direction?
• 33:05
  Hopefully, I mean, I feel like little knives.
• 33:08
  X is breaking that up a lot, like just because know as a
• 33:15
  female rapper like when you see few more female rappers use
• 33:18
  females in their videos, you just kind of like would have but
• 33:21
  wouldn't that be the opposite? Because male rappers use like
• 33:24
  females in Their videos and but they kind of just like two and
• 33:28
  one. And but I like little knives.
• 33:30
  A kiss is like catering to his own like personal taste.
• 33:34
  Like it would be with, I think, as he entered identifies as a
• 33:38
  gay rapper to have a female female, like, dancers in the
• 33:43
  back of his videos, like it makes more sense that he would
• 33:46
  have male dancer from just the way that everything is set up.
• 33:51
  So I think slowly as the more Of crowd from Tick-Tock come
• 33:56
  through and you know, because I mean, cardi B, Nicki Minaj,
• 34:00
  they've been around for a little bit now.
• 34:03
  So I think we're going to see new artists push through, that
• 34:07
  will bring bring something a bit fresher to the table and
• 34:11
  hopefully get to that big level of the same as like, cardi, B
• 34:16
  and Nicki Minaj, you know, mention Tick-Tock, they're like,
• 34:19
  what do you make of tick-tock? And it's kind of impression or
• 34:24
  impact that it seems to be having on the music industry.
• 34:29
  Tick Tock is a pro and a con like so Tick-Tock is great
• 34:35
  because the algorithm well I mean yeah I mean you can still
• 34:39
  get discovered quite easily on Tick-Tock if you play into some
• 34:41
  of the trends and dances that are going on and stuff like
• 34:44
  that. I don't think Tick-Tock is made
• 34:49
  for making original content just because I do a lot of my like
• 34:57
  some People can get away with making original content if it's
• 35:00
  like, like, it's a hook is really good like that, you know,
• 35:04
  so you know, some people that do the like VFX on there and other
• 35:08
  things like that. Like, add a new thing to Tick
• 35:11
  Tock, but the rest of it is mostly just copying other people
• 35:15
  doing other stuff, so it's a double-edged sword.
• 35:19
  So it's great. You do as a musician going
• 35:22
  there, do a couple of Trends and talk about your music, you'll
• 35:24
  get followers and people that will They engage with you.
• 35:30
  So it's great for discovering new songs.
• 35:32
  Especially if you can get a dance to it and all that stuff.
• 35:35
  So it's a huge opportunity there.
• 35:37
  But on this, at the same time, it's hard to get people to
• 35:43
  convert, then over to your other social medias, or even then
• 35:46
  stream to your Spotify. And I think for the music
• 35:51
  industry it's made people more single focused.
• 35:55
  So like it's like quantity over quality.
• 35:57
  Quality people want to go out quickly because the attention
• 36:00
  spans have gotten way too short so I mean like YouTube shorts
• 36:03
  like they're all copy and Tick-Tock.
• 36:05
  Yeah, it's crazy. So I'm waiting for Facebook and
• 36:11
  like, Snapchat and Linkedin to come out with their and shorts,
• 36:15
  you know, think it will happen with Facebook after this latest
• 36:19
  Trend. But with the meta thing that I,
• 36:22
  yeah, I'm I totally agree with you.
• 36:26
  I'm very On Tick-Tock and II, literally use Instagram and
• 36:30
  YouTube shorts as like I don't know what the word would be
• 36:33
  cross-posting. I guess I just dump all of the
• 36:35
  content on those platforms because why wouldn't you?
• 36:38
  I've even started doing it on Twitter and it never gets
• 36:42
  anywhere. But it's like why wouldn't you
• 36:45
  have all this extra content that you do and you got different
• 36:49
  audiences as well? One thing I think that not many
• 36:51
  people realize is that there's a lot of people that don't
• 36:54
  migrate, you know, like For example, I started I built a
• 37:00
  following on Tik-Tok like a small community and there were
• 37:05
  way more people. When I was live streaming on
• 37:10
  there and then I got banned. It's a whole story.
• 37:13
  It's ridiculous. Yeah.
• 37:16
  For like yeah it's a funny story that like button Tick Tock is
• 37:20
  also like fickle like that as well.
• 37:22
  Ya can't trust Tick-Tock. That's the thing.
• 37:24
  The thing that I got bad. So I got banned for saying.
• 37:27
  Okay, I'll say this that I've said it before, but I just made
• 37:29
  me laugh. Yeah, so I got banned on a
• 37:32
  livestream for saying on Tick, Tock for saying the word
• 37:36
  PornHub, Right? And I was talking about
• 37:39
  advertising, so I have an international audience and I was
• 37:42
  talking, some people don't know that in the UK we have Christmas
• 37:47
  advertising and like, how it's such a big deal and blah, blah
• 37:50
  blah. And I made I sort of an idea
• 37:52
  popped in my head. I was talking about supermarkets
• 37:55
  and what they do. And I remembered this advert
• 37:58
  from like 2016, I think. And it was a PornHub advert,
• 38:02
  which blows your mind, I've never seen, you know, Holden
• 38:07
  company. Do an advert on daytime
• 38:10
  television. I think I might know which of,
• 38:14
  you know, the one. Yeah, it's a funny, little
• 38:16
  tongue-in-cheek adverts, like a little kid.
• 38:19
  I say kit. He's like 11 12 and he gives his
• 38:22
  granddad porn premium card and it's like this like beautiful
• 38:29
  moment and it's just hilarious. It was a good advert.
• 38:33
  They got that good business from it.
• 38:34
  And yeah, it was yeah, it's people.
• 38:36
  Or even to this day and hence why I spoke about it.
• 38:39
  And I kid you not within 30 seconds to a minute of saying
• 38:42
  that, boom, banned banned forever.
• 38:44
  I tried I tried to appeal that I had 10, 15 people appeared on my
• 38:49
  behalf and then they just said, no, and that's it.
• 38:53
  And now here's the thing that is hypocrisy at its finest, because
• 39:00
  if you ever use tick tock, if you don't use it, let me put it
• 39:02
  this way. There is so many people.
• 39:06
  Basically. Just full-on naked on the app.
• 39:12
  Pretty much seen those lives of like there's an old man just
• 39:16
  like dancing in his underwear like and he and it wasn't even
• 39:20
  like live is a loop video of like something.
• 39:24
  Yeah. And it's like because I'll just
• 39:26
  give you a bit more context about mine as well.
• 39:28
  Like they banned me specifically for what was it.
• 39:33
  I don't nudity and sexual activity.
• 39:39
  Very much stuff like that. As you said exists on the app, I
• 39:42
  see all the time every now and again because I still, I'm still
• 39:45
  able to create content on there and I do, but every now and
• 39:48
  again, I'll see you like some girl or some guy, you know,
• 39:52
  being very provocative, you know, showing a lot of
• 39:56
  themselves or doing first traps or whatever, and it's like,
• 40:00
  that's allows not only friends. Miss Now, The Tick-Tock lines
• 40:10
  are crazy recently. There's this trend of, like,
• 40:13
  pretending to eat maggots, or whatever they're doing, I've
• 40:16
  seen. Now, what is that about?
• 40:17
  That's disgusting. They might times five minutes
• 40:20
  and they never eat it. They're just pretending to eat
• 40:22
  if you're older or but I literally saw one the other day
• 40:27
  where the guy was just like, had his face right up to the bowl
• 40:31
  and was like crying. I don't know what's going on
• 40:33
  here, and I saw the comments and it's I think it was just Him
• 40:37
  pretending. And he's just like his face is
• 40:40
  right up to the boat. He's like, hmm.
• 40:42
  And you put yourself in the situation, he has like 2,000
• 40:47
  viewers. Yeah.
• 40:49
  Why are people? What are they?
• 40:51
  Why this irritates me, right? Because I am very grateful for
• 40:57
  my community that I have. Okay.
• 40:59
  It's like I think it's about 15 people or something like that,
• 41:02
  right? But I get these comments.
• 41:03
  Every once in a while people saying you're underrated.
• 41:07
  Don't you have more viewers? And I'm like, I don't know.
• 41:10
  Apparently they're all just watching people sleeping or
• 41:13
  staring at maggots and that, apparently, that's what people
• 41:15
  are in true. They don't like guys or women,
• 41:17
  or whoever that like to create original content and entertain.
• 41:21
  Apparently, that doesn't matter. You know, that's the who cares
• 41:24
  about that, right? I'm not bitter.
• 41:27
  I'm not better until there. Is it is weird.
• 41:32
  Is I mean, I suppose I think it just speaks to That that kind of
• 41:39
  weird mindset in people, you know, we're drawn to the
• 41:41
  weirdness. We drawn to the the
• 41:43
  extraordinary, the things that don't, you know, kind of fit.
• 41:47
  Wow. Yeah.
• 41:48
  Yeah. You know, you see a guy or a
• 41:51
  girl or whatever. Like, you know, staring at bold
• 41:54
  maggots, you stare at you watch them.
• 41:56
  You like well, what is happening it.
• 41:58
  But I saw, I saw something the other day.
• 42:01
  I don't even know what to make of this.
• 42:03
  It was a guy like leaning in what I can only describe as like
• 42:10
  A sort of a cut-off Alleyway was like a small Alleyway and
• 42:13
  there's like a little tiny drain water drain to the left of him.
• 42:20
  I don't know what it was and it's just water splashing and
• 42:22
  he's basically got his foot in the Drake that hit just at the
• 42:26
  top of his foot in the drain and it's getting wet and he's just
• 42:29
  leaning like this. Just leaning.
• 42:33
  I think I saw that one, too. Yeah.
• 42:35
  And I was like what, what is going on?
• 42:38
  I don't understand this and again, 5,000 views, something
• 42:42
  ridiculous, like that. This is our great game.
• 42:47
  And see that teaches me that, I don't think I could ever cater
• 42:50
  to the audience. Don't think that like, I mean, I
• 42:54
  know I've had a few videos. I had a video go viral and a few
• 42:57
  videos go viral on there. And and, you know, What I
• 43:01
  quickly Learned was that, that doesn't mean anything.
• 43:05
  I thought it was going to be the beginning of something, you
• 43:08
  know, I got I had like, I think I got like 27k right now.
• 43:11
  Something that don't mean anything.
• 43:15
  I would got really excited for a moment that 27k.
• 43:19
  Do you not see that anywhere else doesn't not translated new?
• 43:23
  No, actually, the original reason I brought up the live
• 43:27
  streaming thing is that was about different.
• 43:30
  Audiences and trying to you know, you got different neurons,
• 43:33
  is different places. So when I did get that bad and I
• 43:35
  said, hey come watch me here, come watch me here.
• 43:39
  Most of those people didn't didn't bother because now I'm
• 43:42
  back on Twitch and I'm building something there and I got a
• 43:46
  little small community and it's awesome.
• 43:48
  So much better though, it's actually really good quality as
• 43:52
  well, and I think it makes more sense to be on there because if
• 43:57
  you're on, Twitch, people are there to watch you, that's the
• 44:00
  purpose. Yeah.
• 44:01
  Is Tick-Tock it's more kind of like people just scroll in.
• 44:04
  They're not really invested like you know, and the people on
• 44:08
  Twitch that come to watch you there purposely looking for
• 44:10
  something to do. So, if you have a, that's
• 44:13
  probably their actual time slot where they're looking for
• 44:15
  something to do something to do in their preferences to go on
• 44:17
  Twitch. So if you're coming back every
• 44:19
  night for and giving them like and I would say, minimum like
• 44:24
  two hours. But I mean I don't have that
• 44:25
  time but I try and do an hour at least every Sunday on Twitch but
• 44:29
  like to Bauer's minimum on Twitch.
• 44:32
  And like you you can grow exponentially and and and you
• 44:36
  don't even need that many followers to start making a
• 44:39
  decent income from twitch. So it depends on the kind of
• 44:42
  community a building. Let's explore a little bit.
• 44:45
  So yeah. You do know twitch stream every
• 44:47
  Sunday. What do you do though?
• 44:48
  Do you just play your music, do you touch each others, but
• 44:53
  sometimes I chat sometimes, I'm mixing songs.
• 44:56
  It depends on what I have to do that week.
• 44:59
  Sometimes I'm Playing guitar covers.
• 45:03
  Yeah it depends that's called that's called a variety stream.
• 45:08
  I think that I'm I'm kind of the same.
• 45:11
  I do music on Fridays most days I do amas.
• 45:15
  I'm trying A New Concept at the moment as well.
• 45:20
  But ultimately, I think My MO is always been, you know, variety
• 45:26
  because I just can't pick one thing.
• 45:28
  I'm just too too picky got to. He's got too many interests.
• 45:32
  I'm planning on doing video games once I get up.
• 45:34
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, me too. I want to do that one day
• 45:38
  because I just don't have the means to right now, but that
• 45:40
  would be who wouldn't want to do that, you know?
• 45:44
  Yeah, I totally get that this exported little bit more about
• 45:47
  your see where you are on social media.
• 45:50
  So do you actually have a tick tock do you use that?
• 45:52
  Or is that just not in strategy? Do you have a tick tock?
• 45:55
  I have about 20 followers, ID post ID, try and post regular
• 46:00
  ish this times, I'm posting once once a week.
• 46:04
  I do have a few videos. Like, I have quite a few videos,
• 46:07
  I shall not gonna lie, but it's not my main focus.
• 46:15
  Yeah, I mean there's nothing much to say about my Tick.
• 46:17
  Tock is just those four. I just brought that up in
• 46:19
  general but like it. Like what?
• 46:20
  So where are you? You an Instagram?
• 46:22
  I presume you on Soundcloud. Like where where can we find
• 46:25
  you? I'm on Instagram.
• 46:30
  Tick Tock, YouTube, twitch, Twitter, And yeah, I think
• 46:38
  that's it. I Facebook too, but no one
• 46:39
  really uses no one cares about Facebook.
• 46:43
  It's like I got a Facebook page and it's tied to my Instagram,
• 46:47
  which saves me having to post but it's like I just, I don't
• 46:53
  who's you. I guess some people use it.
• 46:55
  I don't know. I mean yeah, I don't know.
• 47:00
  I'm I mainly use it for groups. Hmm.
• 47:04
  Because those are interesting. Sometimes but there's a lot to
• 47:08
  sift through. Yeah but yeah if not I only wish
• 47:13
  are like YouTube videos on there because I have like this that's
• 47:18
  my that was my first page I shop.
• 47:19
  I am sorry. That was my first page I set up
• 47:23
  so that had my friends or family following that and then it's
• 47:28
  also useful for doing Facebook ads.
• 47:31
  So yeah that's mainly what I use it for.
• 47:33
  If not I don't really post content on the I tried doing
• 47:36
  This thing by person, like clips that I posted, like from
• 47:40
  Instagram, but I just, yeah, I just decided to only do it for
• 47:44
  important stuff, you know, big announcements and stuff like
• 47:47
  that. Yeah, I'm kind of the same with.
• 47:50
  I use like why Instagram is Obviously, an outlet for all the
• 47:57
  Tick-Tock stuff that comes through.
• 47:58
  So starts to tick tocking, it works its way up to, you know,
• 48:01
  so I've got a YouTube shorts Channel and all that and blah,
• 48:04
  blah, blah, but Instagram is invaluable for that stories
• 48:09
  function. I think, you know, Instagram,
• 48:12
  like Instagram is, there's a lot of people on there.
• 48:15
  Hmm. But it's still so essential for
• 48:16
  great. I think Instagram is the only
• 48:18
  place like you. That's one of the places you
• 48:22
  should put your You're most into because they're always trying to
• 48:26
  keep up with the game that update and that staff like
• 48:30
  Instagram is probably the only one that led the only app that
• 48:34
  updates as often as they do like adding new features and changing
• 48:38
  the way they work apparently. The algorithm is changed again
• 48:41
  is like there's a ton of new stuff from Instagram and all the
• 48:46
  other platforms just kind of Stack late once they have found
• 48:48
  something that works for them. I do I got to say I don't really
• 48:52
  understand Because like YouTube shorts.
• 48:55
  And I've said this before on the show, but YouTube shorts is very
• 48:57
  straightforward. You get like waves of attention,
• 49:01
  so my YouTube shorts account. It used to just be my second
• 49:05
  account. I quickly realized, you know,
• 49:07
  someone tip me off. I think it was Might be my
• 49:11
  friend. Shout out to stealthy still.
• 49:15
  Jesus tells e so he told me you got it.
• 49:18
  You got to do this. It's magic.
• 49:19
  And as I we talking about is like, just trust me.
• 49:22
  So I uploaded a bunch of videos that the shorts that was doing
• 49:26
  one Tick. Tock put them on YouTube shorts
• 49:29
  and then about six hours later, boom, thousands of views.
• 49:33
  And I'll score Sky man, what's going on?
• 49:35
  And then say that was happening for a while, but that's when it
• 49:38
  was in beta and then everyone sort of caught on And then just
• 49:42
  nothing for like six to eight months or so, I don't know.
• 49:46
  However, long and then recently in like the past two months
• 49:49
  suddenly picked up again, then suddenly, I'm getting loads of
• 49:52
  followers, getting lots of views, again, I don't know what
• 49:56
  that's about, I guess that is the first way people say, yeah.
• 50:05
  You know, shorts and then I saw people also saying that the
• 50:10
  followed like the Followers you get from YouTube shorts.
• 50:12
  Don't stay. They don't stick.
• 50:14
  And in my YouTube shorts, I was uploading went from like
• 50:16
  getting, I think almost like 900 years to like 25 and I was like,
• 50:21
  whoa, okay. And then, yeah, I also just
• 50:26
  didn't like how they put it. I didn't like having like, a
• 50:29
  normal landscape video and then having a short video, but
• 50:32
  they've changed that now. So that's why I think
• 50:35
  consistency is key. I mean, I'm just theorizing
• 50:39
  here, but What I do, this is my strategy.
• 50:44
  I post on Tick Tock first and then I post everywhere and it
• 50:48
  sounds kind of like effort, but it all in all, it probably takes
• 50:53
  like a minute, two minutes to just post their post on
• 50:57
  Instagram. So what I did, this sounds
• 51:00
  really long winded up. There were explained there.
• 51:01
  So what I do is, I post them picked up, then I post a
• 51:04
  standard video on Instagram and then a reels video.
• 51:08
  So place twice right, then post on Twitter and in post on
• 51:14
  YouTube, so it's posted everywhere.
• 51:17
  But here's the deal on Instagram.
• 51:20
  Always the same thing. I'd be like 050 on the reels
• 51:24
  people at zero 53,000, 0 55,000, you know, just really, I know
• 51:30
  that's what I mean. I don't understand the Instagram
• 51:33
  algorithm, but YouTube short seems to be very consistent.
• 51:36
  It seems to just every video seems to pick up something.
• 51:39
  Yeah. They might have changed their
• 51:41
  algorithm a bit for you to shorts and for reals.
• 51:44
  Yeah. In reels in the beginning, but I
• 51:46
  think this is what happens with all like the new Instagram
• 51:48
  features as just like I GT. She getting a ton of use it in
• 51:52
  the beginning, like, yeah, more or less working and because
• 51:55
  everyone jumps on it. Then it's hot but there's
• 51:57
  different types of content. So it's harder than to get those
• 52:00
  views but I but then I think, I think now because I post I was
• 52:06
  going to say that they've changed it, but I posted a real
• 52:08
  the other day and I only got 100 views and that's been happening
• 52:11
  ever since July. So yeah, so I just haven't so I
• 52:17
  get more views and I think, I don't know.
• 52:20
  Because in general, my reach on Instagram has gone down in the
• 52:22
  beginning of the year. I was getting like my reach was
• 52:25
  going really far like I even had a few points on the explore
• 52:28
  page. Cool.
• 52:29
  Yeah. That was like, super cool.
• 52:31
  And even even now those posts that I posted back then I still
• 52:34
  getting a few likes but then the rest of the year just went on
• 52:41
  and then it was just getting less and less even the rich even
• 52:44
  the post going out to my followers is not doing it.
• 52:47
  So I could accidentally I took A break.
• 52:50
  So I'm hoping now because when I had stopped posting her stories
• 52:53
  in a post on stories again, I get like 50 views and then I get
• 52:56
  more views than I normally get. So I'm thinking now because I
• 53:00
  was posting every day except on weekends, so I was thinking,
• 53:06
  okay, let me stop for a little bit, which has been a month.
• 53:08
  So now when I go to push back, do have this notification and
• 53:11
  that should bring people's attention back, but to my
• 53:15
  profile. Hopefully, yeah, I know Jimmy.
• 53:17
  I think, I Think It's tricky because I think you always have
• 53:21
  to look at what the strategy is and so for like for me
• 53:27
  personally because I'm doing so many things and I got different
• 53:29
  goals, my kind of view is to just post continually every day
• 53:36
  something. Yeah, but I wouldn't recommend
• 53:39
  that for everyone like, for instance, you as an artist as a
• 53:42
  musician, that's your main thing.
• 53:44
  I actually think less is more. I think it's Better to post like
• 53:50
  once every couple of days. So that as you say you get, you
• 53:55
  know, because it is very easy to bombard, your audience.
• 53:58
  But then there's different goals like my for the people that
• 54:02
  follow me. Yeah, it's going to be a bit
• 54:04
  bombarding, sorry. But hey, I'm provided excuse me,
• 54:08
  I'm providing content, right? Yeah, if you like it, follow me.
• 54:11
  If you don't unfollow me, that's fine.
• 54:17
  But for for people where you know, the goal isn't because my
• 54:22
  goal is to grow, my goal is to keep reaching new people, so
• 54:25
  that the only way that's going to happen is by continually
• 54:27
  posting put stuff out there, you know.
• 54:29
  It's it's like praying shit, a wall and seeing what sticks
• 54:33
  that's basically it. It's always consistent.
• 54:35
  It's always social media is though because it went viral,
• 54:41
  how did you go viral? They're just like, oh, I don't
• 54:45
  know. Oh, I did this and they always
• 54:47
  try and reach some people who weren't made for Content
• 54:50
  creation. Always try and repeat that
• 54:52
  video. That made him viral.
• 54:54
  Yes, bad mood pain. That same thing.
• 54:57
  So it's just like the same format of that first video.
• 55:00
  No, no, you gotta move on. You gotta move on.
• 55:03
  Like, my only viral video to this date the one because I have
• 55:08
  researched this to go viral. You have to get at least a
• 55:11
  million views so I've had videos go like, 700k 800k viral was a
• 55:16
  Apparently right, well for me. And that's yeah.
• 55:19
  No, no, don't get me wrong. Yeah, no, I agree.
• 55:21
  I agree. If it gets more than I'm happy
• 55:23
  if it gets to 1000 your Velma. Wow, like, yeah.
• 55:30
  It's like my viral video is a stitch.
• 55:34
  So for those who don't know, it's like you take an another
• 55:37
  creators video and then you react to their video, but like,
• 55:41
  you don't react to it in real time, you just take a portion of
• 55:44
  their video and then you, You insert new content alongside
• 55:48
  its? It becomes like a new thing and
• 55:50
  mine is it, you know, it was just something silly, just like
• 55:53
  whatever. But my initial response was no
• 55:58
  keep creating like, move on, move forward.
• 56:00
  Like that was then. This is now, you know, it's
• 56:02
  great to reflect if you like is, yeah.
• 56:04
  Oh I did this but your head always has to be where we are
• 56:08
  now. It can't be all.
• 56:09
  This is what I did a year ago. This is what I did six months
• 56:11
  ago. Like, who cares?
• 56:13
  People only care about what's going on right now.
• 56:15
  Yeah. That's, that's the reality. but
• 56:19
  yeah, I mean It's different goals, it's different strategy.
• 56:23
  I think that yes, going back to what I was saying before, like,
• 56:26
  for yourself. I think it makes more sense to
• 56:29
  to create anticipation for your posts.
• 56:32
  So, posting less is good because then when they approached us
• 56:35
  come up, he's like oh kenja posted and I should check this
• 56:40
  out. She hasn't posted in a week or
• 56:42
  three days like this is probably something important whereas if
• 56:45
  it's every day it's not, you know what I mean?
• 56:48
  I noticed I noticed that placing like I've kind of decided this
• 56:51
  At the post everyday, as a challenge to myself because a
• 56:54
  year ago I wasn't consistent social media at all.
• 56:57
  Like I was posting every two to three months, I like whatever.
• 57:01
  I'm so I was like, okay, let's be consistent for a year and I
• 57:04
  did take a few breaks in between, but for the most part,
• 57:06
  I've been consistent fight assistant five days a week in
• 57:10
  the beginning. I was super organized.
• 57:12
  Like, oh, my purse for that. Week was up and scheduled.
• 57:14
  And then we'll have to do is concentrate on like my YouTube
• 57:16
  video and then making music. But then I got some, I got an
• 57:20
  internship at a studio. And so from there is just like
• 57:23
  I've been making post day-to-day and it got too much.
• 57:26
  I was like I need to stop and then restart so I can get back
• 57:29
  on that like ahead of schedule, kind of thing.
• 57:33
  So but I mean I'm thinking of reducing my number of posts to
• 57:36
  three days a week because then I feel like it's consistent enough
• 57:42
  and then a day in between and just kind of do what I want to
• 57:45
  do. So yeah, I play a switch things
• 57:49
  up. What's the biggest life lesson
• 57:52
  that you've learned so far? I feel like I've been asked this
• 58:03
  question before and I gave a different answer, but I this
• 58:07
  time I'm really thinking If like, if you're upset about
• 58:13
  something in the year, you won't, you won't remember it.
• 58:18
  Like, Like or in a year, it will hurt less just so, don't spend
• 58:25
  that much time. Like, going over your mistakes
• 58:29
  or will the hurt that if people have done to you, just kind of
• 58:33
  like learn to Like let that go and wash off your back cuz cuz
• 58:42
  you get in 5 to 10 years. That would just be like, oh,
• 58:44
  what what happened again? What was I even mad about?
• 58:46
  Like, yeah, that's that's, I think that that one has been it
• 58:52
  for this year, and also learning to set boundaries, and stand up,
• 58:56
  for myself, especially in a work environment.
• 58:58
  Couldn't agree more with that like School teaches you to just
• 59:06
  Like that's your authority figure, nice, you to do this,
• 59:08
  you do that. If you disobey the teach you get
• 59:10
  punished. So going into a work
• 59:12
  environment, you kind of take on that same embodiment and it.
• 59:18
  And I also noticed this is very much a British thing to just be
• 59:22
  like that's my boss, whatever he says, like, you know, I like, I
• 59:27
  gotta, I'm getting paid. I'm going to work hard for like,
• 59:29
  you know, in France. They're a bit more like, oh,
• 59:33
  don't tell me to do. Yeah.
• 59:36
  Lose their shit and they're like, no we're gonna we're gonna
• 59:38
  we're gonna we're not only going to protest, we're going to Riot
• 59:42
  90 pairs of fucking money like respect I guess.
• 59:45
  But yeah no I know there's a lot here.
• 59:48
  I've got a real horse in this race.
• 59:51
  I totally agree with you on this one.
• 59:54
  I always because I funnily enough when I was doing my
• 59:57
  livestream last last night, I got some advice, sorry.
• 1:00:00
  I was given some advice to people about workplace
• 1:00:02
  situations and my kind of view. For instance, I recommend
• 1:00:07
  everyone go check out Joshua fluke on on YouTube because he
• 1:00:13
  does a lot of videos about this sort of stuff that fighting the
• 1:00:15
  good fight against employers. You're just a number, you're
• 1:00:19
  just, you know, they can replace you like.
• 1:00:22
  That doesn't matter if you've been with a company, five years,
• 1:00:24
  10 years, 15 years, 20 years, doesn't matter.
• 1:00:28
  And that's how they see like people have to understand that
• 1:00:30
  like human resources is not there for you.
• 1:00:36
  The clue is in the name, the clues in the name.
• 1:00:38
  Human Resources, you are a resource.
• 1:00:41
  That's how they see you. And like you said, yeah, they're
• 1:00:43
  there to protect the company then adds a, you know?
• 1:00:47
  So for instance, you know, when you get told go to HR, if you
• 1:00:50
  got a problem, go to a chart, do not go to HR.
• 1:00:52
  That's the worst thing you can do because they will log that
• 1:00:57
  stuff that you've said be it. Mental health issues grievances
• 1:01:00
  against your employer, or the job, whatever anything that we
• 1:01:04
  use that against you. and then, when you're in a situation
• 1:01:07
  where, I don't know, whatever like that.
• 1:01:10
  They've got something against you, they'll use all that
• 1:01:12
  information against you and fire, you on that basis.
• 1:01:15
  And of course, they won't make that the reason because
• 1:01:18
  obviously, you know, they can't fight.
• 1:01:19
  They say it's mental health issues.
• 1:01:21
  They can't fire you for mental health, but they'll say
• 1:01:23
  something else. Yeah.
• 1:01:25
  The bill. Oh, you just aren't a culture
• 1:01:28
  fit or, you know, um, you know, you have to understand that.
• 1:01:33
  That's not the way we do things around here.
• 1:01:34
  It's like stop. Bullshitting me.
• 1:01:37
  Tell me straight. Eight legs.
• 1:01:40
  No, I know. Yeah, the the workplace thing is
• 1:01:43
  like, it's some I don't know. Just coming out of school is
• 1:01:47
  difficult to adjust to, but mmm, I'm finding my ground.
• 1:01:52
  I know like it because also at the same.
• 1:01:54
  So what I'm doing is that I'm technically doing voluntary
• 1:01:57
  work, so I'm not even getting paid for the studio but but is
• 1:02:05
  far from my house. So I just find myself with less
• 1:02:08
  and less time. So I just I'm juggling three
• 1:02:12
  things, three things, which is trying to do my music Market
• 1:02:16
  that all that, find a job and the studio.
• 1:02:21
  So one of them has to go and that's not necessarily and
• 1:02:27
  anything on their fault. It's just that I know what my
• 1:02:30
  priorities are and I know where I want to go and I now I have to
• 1:02:34
  stand up for myself. I did it before I my old
• 1:02:36
  internship and I'm Have to do it again.
• 1:02:40
  You know, the sound I'm willing to bet right now.
• 1:02:46
  With this volunteer work that you're doing because I do
• 1:02:48
  volunteer work best for different.
• 1:02:49
  I don't for Cherry, you're doing it because you're trying to
• 1:02:52
  break into the industry, get experience.
• 1:02:54
  That's that's the Crux of what the benefit is for you.
• 1:02:58
  It's that getting into that industry learning, you know.
• 1:03:02
  But the problem with that is that and I've said this, I've
• 1:03:06
  had people offer me their services for free.
• 1:03:10
  You know, to help me on my Social Media stuff and I always
• 1:03:13
  refused because my My mindset is, I don't care if you do a
• 1:03:19
  volunteer ship or whatever and pay your staff pay people for
• 1:03:24
  their time, time is valuable, you know, tight, you don't get
• 1:03:27
  back time. And here's the reality, they
• 1:03:30
  can't have a go at you or expect you to work, really, really
• 1:03:34
  hard. When they're not paying you
• 1:03:36
  anything. You know, but that's like
• 1:03:41
  companies. I know, I noticed this coming
• 1:03:43
  out of school with my friends. These companies take advantage
• 1:03:45
  of young people because they have no experience, they need
• 1:03:50
  work experience, and they're not going to, and most companies are
• 1:03:55
  hiring without you getting work experience.
• 1:03:57
  So, like, do you have a lot of companies startup?
• 1:04:01
  I'm saying this, because the people that I've met and been
• 1:04:05
  with is startups offering internships.
• 1:04:09
  And then offering to like continue working with you but
• 1:04:13
  without paying you but you're young.
• 1:04:15
  So you just like I want to experience this is going to be
• 1:04:17
  you try and like like trying to convince yourself.
• 1:04:20
  It's going to be a good experience and it's going to be
• 1:04:23
  great and then you feel like you can leave anytime but the deeper
• 1:04:27
  you get into it. The deeper, you just kind of
• 1:04:29
  feel like you owe them something.
• 1:04:32
  When in reality they're the ones that do you that I don't know.
• 1:04:35
  That's kind of how it was for me.
• 1:04:36
  Interesting. What do you, what do you feel
• 1:04:39
  that you owe them? I don't know, I just feel like
• 1:04:44
  some things were said like about hopes and dreams and you know,
• 1:04:47
  earning money like eventually, I can give you this and stuff like
• 1:04:50
  that, and it just felt like, you know, especially when it's like
• 1:04:53
  sometimes you go into these internships and some of them,
• 1:04:56
  their structures are small and you realize that sometimes the
• 1:04:59
  people they work with, they can't necessarily but depend on
• 1:05:02
  all the time. So you, I don't know.
• 1:05:04
  I just feel like, you know, I feel when I go and do something,
• 1:05:07
  I was going to give my best, whether I'm getting paid or not.
• 1:05:10
  Not. So it just it just feels weird
• 1:05:12
  to know that I've given so much of like some of my knowledge to
• 1:05:17
  them and that may be in that respect, I might be the only one
• 1:05:23
  that can do what I have done for them and just to pull away and
• 1:05:27
  leave them in the way they are is just that is a thing I'm
• 1:05:31
  struggling with but I have to put my foot down just because
• 1:05:35
  you know, times are getting busier and and I can't just keep
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  giving Time away for free. Basically I completely agree and
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  I think that it all boils down to understanding your worth as
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  both human being. And also with respect to like
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  the work that you put in if they truly valued you they would pay
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  you or they would make you a reasonable offer that recognizes
• 1:06:07
  all of the work that you've put in.
• 1:06:10
  And also, So the contribution you've made the impact, you've
• 1:06:13
  made, you know, like you said that you know it's it's a short
• 1:06:17
  internships that comment. Is it coming to an end?
• 1:06:19
  Is that right? No.
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  So I've done two or three internships in this past year, I
• 1:06:27
  see. Okay.
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  And so, because I'm not at school, I can't do it like a
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  long term internship. I can only do a two month
• 1:06:34
  internship, right? And so, I feel like if I put on
• 1:06:37
  my CV, oh, I work, two months. I record label.
• 1:06:39
  They're going to be like Okay. What do you months?
• 1:06:42
  So I got to know. I don't know.
• 1:06:44
  I mean if you've done it several times though that represent that
• 1:06:47
  says something about you one. Yeah yeah.
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  But in the beginning I only had it.
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  I only did it. I had it.
• 1:06:52
  I had no experience basically. I was just fresh out of school.
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  So the first time I think I worked two months and then I was
• 1:07:01
  like, okay let's give this a go. So I went to work longer
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  thinking I could gain more just knowledge and experience but
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  Then it didn't work out that way and I've got another one that
• 1:07:14
  was like two months. I think I stayed stayed a little
• 1:07:17
  longer, but then I was like this is not working for me and then
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  the last one now is one that I'm still trying to break ties with
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  is what I would say. Hold up let's back up a second.
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  So that that second one you stayed a bit longer so you'd
• 1:07:35
  finished your to mumps. Yeah.
• 1:07:38
  And what they Said, if you want to stay longer, stay on longer
• 1:07:44
  and they didn't offer you. Anything that's basically what
• 1:07:47
  all of them have done is been. Like if you if you if you want
• 1:07:51
  to work longer with us you can you can get, you can have access
• 1:07:56
  to this and this and this, but unfortunately, we don't have the
• 1:08:00
  means to pay you right now. And it's like, that's that's
• 1:08:05
  bullsh. Okay.
• 1:08:07
  Okay let's just let's break down what they're what they're
• 1:08:09
  offering so you can have access to this this mess.
• 1:08:12
  So what you can record your stuff there for free?
• 1:08:15
  Yeah, I can get, I can record my stuff there for free.
• 1:08:19
  I could release my music with them.
• 1:08:21
  I could, oh, get access to their contacts, and stuff like that.
• 1:08:27
  Okay. You know, what maybe that is
• 1:08:29
  worth know, maybe that's worth something to be fur is worse.
• 1:08:34
  It's worth staying a little longer.
• 1:08:36
  And exploring those options. Yes, I see.
• 1:08:40
  But they depend, it depends though, doesn't it?
• 1:08:43
  Because is that like a full-time role Well yeah so like 40 hours
• 1:08:50
  a week that kind of a let's see this like in they know they
• 1:08:54
  position that they've put me in so they're not my boss.
• 1:08:56
  So if I say I'm not coming in then I'm just not coming in you
• 1:09:00
  know, you know I mean they can say whatever but I'm just not
• 1:09:03
  coming in. There's days, there's days when
• 1:09:06
  they do like, oh I need you here and I have to, I have to go in
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  and it's like, okay, fair enough.
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  So it's a bit, it's a bit up and down schedule was, which
• 1:09:22
  actually has made it hard for me, planning wise.
• 1:09:25
  So, So it's like after four or five months, it's just no longer
• 1:09:33
  sustainable. So I'm just kind of like, okay,
• 1:09:36
  you know what? I'm sorry, but this is not
• 1:09:38
  working out for me, which is, is as fine.
• 1:09:43
  A like, I did it to gain more content because I'm new to the
• 1:09:45
  French seen to. So I did it to gain more
• 1:09:47
  contacts, no more people but I find, I am meeting more people
• 1:09:52
  online. Let's go more than I am.
• 1:09:58
  Through these internships if that makes sense.
• 1:10:01
  Like, I know some people, but because you end the internship,
• 1:10:05
  then they, it's like they hesitate to reach out to you
• 1:10:07
  again. So I've met I had definitely met
• 1:10:11
  and like considered dated more connections outside just like
• 1:10:16
  online with people. Like I use this app called
• 1:10:20
  vampir. I think that helps you find like
• 1:10:23
  musicians and stuff like that in your area that has been actually
• 1:10:27
  very helpful. Awful over the last couple of
• 1:10:28
  months. So, yeah, I mean I mean it's a
• 1:10:33
  good it's been a great experience and I wouldn't trade
• 1:10:36
  it. My time for anything.
• 1:10:39
  It's been great and like learning how to maybe like
• 1:10:43
  juggle my music career and maybe having a job as a demanding
• 1:10:46
  because in the beginning, I did want to go into.
• 1:10:48
  I wanted to go into marketing music for a label, but then
• 1:10:54
  having done like a couple internships at label, I've been
• 1:10:56
  like, no. It's not what it takes up too
• 1:10:58
  much of my time that I can't Mark Market.
• 1:11:01
  My music you know and I had people say this to me before but
• 1:11:04
  I just wanted to try it out for myself.
• 1:11:06
  Maybe I could learn a few marketing techniques that I
• 1:11:08
  haven't already learnt. But no, that's not not.
• 1:11:12
  I haven't learned anything new in terms of marketing fair
• 1:11:18
  enough. Well, I would say I think I mean
• 1:11:27
  you clearly kind of know where you're going with this and
• 1:11:30
  stuff. So I'm not going to try and give
• 1:11:32
  you advice or whatever. But I would say I was a final
• 1:11:34
  Point feed both of you and anyone doing it in unpaid
• 1:11:37
  internship, be careful, be careful.
• 1:11:42
  But like realize why you're getting into it in the first
• 1:11:45
  place? If it's just for experience
• 1:11:48
  because it's one thing if you're doing one month, two months but
• 1:11:51
  you know, your time is really valuable like, okay, just taking
• 1:11:55
  the example you gave, right? If you would do in the two month
• 1:11:59
  internship and you continued it and they said you get full
• 1:12:03
  access to everything and we can record whatever you want to do.
• 1:12:06
  Bubba blah. And you're doing like 10 hours a
• 1:12:09
  week, 15 hours a week, that's okay.
• 1:12:13
  But if you're doing 40 hours a week, that is a job and then I
• 1:12:17
  need to give you something, you know, even if it's just like I
• 1:12:22
  don't know travel expenses, freelance something like come
• 1:12:28
  on, man. Like when they say, oh, we don't
• 1:12:30
  have the budget for this like You can afford something, you're
• 1:12:36
  not to me, like, it's a bit. It's a bit insulting to be
• 1:12:39
  honest. Did you see them paying for
• 1:12:41
  stuff? Especially my friends first
• 1:12:43
  internship? You see them paying for stuff
• 1:12:46
  and see them going out to lunch with their business partners and
• 1:12:48
  stuff like that. And you just kind of like so
• 1:12:51
  then like, can you really not afford to pay me?
• 1:12:55
  Yeah, I know you see people coming in and out of the studio
• 1:12:58
  and just kind of like, are you sure?
• 1:13:06
  Yeah, I agree. I agree and I wasn't the only
• 1:13:08
  internet that place there was like two or three other interns
• 1:13:11
  with us. Hold up, hold up.
• 1:13:13
  So there's three interns not getting paid.
• 1:13:17
  Yeah. But they, they had to do it for
• 1:13:20
  school. They had to do for us, that
• 1:13:22
  doesn't make it any better. Like to, if you're, if you have
• 1:13:34
  everyone else in your department, but the marketing
• 1:13:36
  and like like for I think marketing and videography
• 1:13:39
  Department photography, could department is all filled with
• 1:13:42
  interns. It's like then.
• 1:13:45
  So your content budget like like, it's weird.
• 1:13:48
  It's like, it's us, it's just us.
• 1:13:50
  So even if you do plan to hire a couple of those interns
• 1:13:54
  afterwards it's just a little sauce.
• 1:13:57
  So yeah I mean if you're doing an unpaid internship, And and
• 1:14:03
  you're young and you're just out of school, you don't have much
• 1:14:05
  experience, you need to you to be careful because I mean, this
• 1:14:09
  is not just from my experience. This is what I've had a few
• 1:14:12
  friends. Don't tell me as well.
• 1:14:14
  That employers do like to take advantage of of young people
• 1:14:19
  that have no particular idea of what where they want to go.
• 1:14:23
  And we're just trying to gain experience like that as they go
• 1:14:27
  along. Yeah.
• 1:14:28
  And also most people who are going for internships Graduated,
• 1:14:33
  you have a degree. So you should be getting paid
• 1:14:36
  what your degree is were because you just I mean if you have a
• 1:14:39
  degree, you should, you should you should begin by.
• 1:14:41
  If you have a degree, you should be getting paid.
• 1:14:43
  Yes, yes, I agree. But I do think that, like, any
• 1:14:48
  company that says, we don't have the money to pay you is lying,
• 1:14:51
  but unless it's a really small, like, I don't know you work for
• 1:14:56
  like a fucking Bakery and like, you know, it's that's the only.
• 1:15:02
  Shop. They have and they're very close
• 1:15:05
  to like they're barely making ends meet.
• 1:15:07
  Okay fine. Right, maybe.
• 1:15:09
  But like startup startups, have loads of money.
• 1:15:13
  Like come on, they get, they have like investment Angels
• 1:15:17
  government grants, like, you know, and especially, and then
• 1:15:22
  the, the corporate companies that say that.
• 1:15:25
  I mean, that's especially insulting.
• 1:15:27
  Like, yeah, what for like? I don't know.
• 1:15:29
  I can't forgive a company at this time but like, you know,
• 1:15:31
  big major company in there. Whole soil, we don't have the
• 1:15:34
  resources. It's like you do.
• 1:15:36
  Yeah. It's like, you made, like, how
• 1:15:38
  much money last year? Don't insult my intelligence,
• 1:15:41
  but then, but then that's the thing.
• 1:15:42
  They'll throw back. They'll be like, but you'll get
• 1:15:47
  a valuable experience. But I see this a lot.
• 1:15:50
  Yeah. And in the acting and not in the
• 1:15:52
  acting industry. I see this right bear in mind.
• 1:15:56
  This is fair like to be an extra.
• 1:15:57
  So to just be in the background, okay?
• 1:16:00
  They say, oh, we don't pay you. But you get exposure and you get
• 1:16:05
  to, you know, experience what it's like to be on a movie set.
• 1:16:11
  Well, spoilers guys being on a movie set is fucking boring.
• 1:16:16
  If you're an extra right, it's tough as an actor.
• 1:16:20
  But as an extra, it's boring, your days, in your days, consist
• 1:16:23
  of standing around for like 15, 16 hours a day until, you know,
• 1:16:28
  whenever they call you and, you know, you're not allowed like
• 1:16:30
  your phone, you're not allowed any of this stuff.
• 1:16:33
  Yeah, depends on the movie set, but yet generally like I was, I
• 1:16:36
  was an extra on tenets, the Christopher Nolan movie and it
• 1:16:41
  was, but the difference there was, I was getting paid.
• 1:16:45
  We don't get paid well, but we're getting paid and they
• 1:16:49
  couldn't not pay us for those days because it was just, I
• 1:16:53
  mean, I kid you not like we were supposed to be there, maybe 13,
• 1:16:56
  14 hours, it ended up being like 16 hours, they'd always
• 1:16:58
  apologize. They give us food, you know, all
• 1:17:00
  that stuff. They take care of us, but I'd
• 1:17:03
  seen other places where it be like, free exposure, you know,
• 1:17:08
  be on a movie set and I'm like, this pay your people to stop
• 1:17:12
  being such Scrooge's, other than what's saying, like, well, I
• 1:17:19
  think it's all about saving money and cutting Corners, where
• 1:17:22
  you can isn't it. So, yeah, but light, it
• 1:17:26
  reputation in business is everything.
• 1:17:29
  It's like you got go on Glassdoor, you know, the website
• 1:17:32
  glass door and look at like some of the reviews on companies and,
• 1:17:37
  and like, you can't hide that shit.
• 1:17:39
  You know, there's a company that I used to work for and I'll
• 1:17:42
  never name them, but You know, they know who they are and I got
• 1:17:49
  a lot from them. I had mostly a positive
• 1:17:51
  experience there but it and ended on a bad note.
• 1:17:54
  And I remember when I first started working there, I looked
• 1:17:58
  up their reviews on glass door, and they were bad.
• 1:18:01
  Then and some of those reviews were new, some of them were
• 1:18:04
  years and years old. And then when I, when I left
• 1:18:08
  there were new ones, I left one myself and then there was there
• 1:18:11
  was a bunch of there's been plenty.
• 1:18:13
  Bad review since then. And apparently I saw a message
• 1:18:17
  on their on their Glassdoor profile that says it was a
• 1:18:21
  warning message that says, this company has taken lawsuit
• 1:18:25
  actions against people that have reviewed and I'm like, what the
• 1:18:29
  fuck like, you know, and then they try to what they try to do
• 1:18:33
  is post those appositive clearly fake reviews to try and balance
• 1:18:37
  it out and it's like, you can't, you can't hide it.
• 1:18:40
  You can't eat, can't hide. If you're a bad company and
• 1:18:42
  you're exploiting people. Yeah.
• 1:18:43
  You know you just you just can't anyway as we draw things were
• 1:18:50
  closed today. Do you have any upcoming
• 1:18:51
  projects or maybe some final thoughts that you'd like to
• 1:18:54
  share with our listeners? Yeah, I have a new single coming
• 1:18:59
  out on the 26th of November. So yeah, that one's going to
• 1:19:03
  become looking forward to it. I was supposed to release it
• 1:19:06
  last year but I had to re-record it because I didn't record it
• 1:19:10
  right the first time. But yeah.
• 1:19:13
  And then hopefully in the New Year I'll be releasing an EP.
• 1:19:18
  So yeah, that's that's what I got going on.
• 1:19:21
  So sometimes yes'm well best of luck with that and yeah, thank
• 1:19:26
  you so much for being on the show has been a pleasure.
• 1:19:29
  Thank you for having me of this been real fun.
• 1:19:31
  I really enjoyed our conversation.
• 1:19:34
  Me too me too. And for everyone listening to
• 1:19:35
  the Christian way podcast, as always be safe.
• 1:19:38
  Be well, and I'll see you in the next one.