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DOES TSHWANE HAVE A MAYOR OR NOT IS IT THABO’S TURN · 5 Breakfast

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  Speaker 1: meantime, I've gotta lead to the chauffeur table.
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  Speaker 1: Why does your city not have a mayor? No, no.
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  Speaker 1: Let me be more specific. Why does your city both
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  Speaker 1: have and not have a mayor? Because you remember Thabo
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  Speaker 1: shadowed the last mayor and was very, very tjommies tjommies with him with him.
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  Speaker 1: Can I just say, very buddy buddy. Thabo was having these off the
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  Speaker 1: record around the corner chats with him asking personal questions
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  Speaker 1: about his career. Six months later, he resigns in a
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  Speaker 1: financial scandal involving 10 billion.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna ask you to explain that table, but
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  Speaker 1: now there's a new mayor. But he's also not a mayor.
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  Speaker 1: And he is the mayor and he's not a mayor.
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  Speaker 1: What on earth is
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  Speaker 2: so, Mara? He was sworn in as twenties. You may,
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  Speaker 2: I think, last week or more than a week ago
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  Speaker 2: and he was the only He was the only co counsellor.
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  Speaker 2: Cope only has one seat in the City of Tshwane
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  Speaker 1: council. So then why O is one of those situations
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  Speaker 1: where some parties just wanna get another party out so
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  Speaker 1: they unite behind a minority small, small, not powerful candidate. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: it's very similar to what we have here in Joburg
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  Speaker 2: with Al Jama. Anyway. So then a couple of days ago,
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  Speaker 2: it was discovered that, um
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't actually qualify to be a counsellor because he
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  Speaker 2: is insolvent.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, Hold on. Okay. So you have to be a
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  Speaker 1: counsellor if you want to be mayor.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. You have to be a council in your in
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  Speaker 2: your part of the
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  Speaker 1: party. And what does insolvent mean versus, like, bankrupt?
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure, exactly. But when you have bad credit,
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  Speaker 2: I think it includes something
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  Speaker 1: like that. Okay, but basically, he's not allowed to be
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  Speaker 1: a counsellor, and so he definitely can't be mayor. But
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  Speaker 1: he is already
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  Speaker 2: mayor. Yes, but now he claims, um that no, actually,
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  Speaker 2: I actually just close to them that, um I was rehabilitated.
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  Speaker 2: Um uh, and now I can actually run as a councillor.
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  Speaker 2: But now, in his application, there is no proof. Like documentation.
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  Speaker 1: Insolvent means you can't pay the debts that you owe.
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  Speaker 1: So it's not bank on. These means you can't pay
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  Speaker 1: the debts that you owe. Okay. So he claims that
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  Speaker 1: he can now pay the debts videos, but there's no
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  Speaker 1: proof of that.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently, they're supposed to be some kind of certification
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  Speaker 2: that he would then would be expected to provide with
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  Speaker 2: his application as a counsellor or something like
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  Speaker 1: that, to show maybe that he's not blacklisted. You're not
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  Speaker 1: allowed to be a counsellor in in Tijuana if you
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  Speaker 1: are blacklisted or if you're at least are insolvent. So
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  Speaker 1: it
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  Speaker 2: makes sense because you look at what counsellors sometimes get
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  Speaker 2: involved in, you know, financial. You know, really, I understand
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  Speaker 2: why there is this kind of, you know, red tape
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  Speaker 2: and make all kinds of requirement
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  Speaker 2: a couple of days ago. I think it's yesterday or
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  Speaker 2: the day before. This is after his ousting. Not only
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  Speaker 2: does not have a mayor, okay, Cope has 21 days,
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  Speaker 2: was given 21 days by the EC to find find,
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  Speaker 2: and they don't. So they don't have one counsellor. So
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  Speaker 2: they have to elect a new counsellor. Yes. So now
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  Speaker 2: apparently he comes into the office, like two days ago.
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  Speaker 2: Like obviously now he doesn't have a security detail, no benefits.
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  Speaker 2: He came with his private car. It's like me growing
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  Speaker 2: up in my car. We must Suzuki whatever.
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  Speaker 2: And he comes to work and he has no security detail.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, I'm still mayor, but I'm like, No, you're not.
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  Speaker 2: Now he insists he's still mayor. But now Cope says, Well, um,
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  Speaker 2: this should have been investigated that they don't understand how
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  Speaker 2: this happened. How do you not know that your counsellor
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  Speaker 2: actually shouldn't be a council? That
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  Speaker 1: sounds like a madman just standing outside the mayor of
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  Speaker 1: buildings in Pretoria, just shouting that he is the mayor?
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  Speaker 2: Pretty much it's actually, it's It's reminiscent of what happened
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  Speaker 2: in Joburg. You remember, with populate,
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  Speaker 2: um, when she became, you know
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  Speaker 1: that I know it was despicable, but it was also hilarious. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: was ousted, but not after due process. So she was
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  Speaker 1: allowed to come back after the weekend. But in that
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  Speaker 1: intervening time, the new mayor, who was not the mayor,
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  Speaker 1: changed the locks on the mayor's office. So I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: get into the office today. But I just want to
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  Speaker 1: know why you aren't running for mayor. You think Well,
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  Speaker 1: you trained you,
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  Speaker 1: you're prepared. You constantly claim that you can't go out
• 4:00
  Speaker 1: on the streets of Pretoria because you're so popular. You
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  Speaker 1: clearly have the will of the people behind you guys.
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  Speaker 1: You're forgetting something very important taboo wasn't able to pay
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  Speaker 1: for fuel the other time. So he's our
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  Speaker 2: insolvent, Insolvent. We've solved this way.
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  Speaker 1: We've solved your insolvency. I cannot believe the table called
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  Speaker 1: EKO
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  Speaker 1: worker of this very radio station to ask him and
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  Speaker 1: the co worker. But I had to go to the
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  Speaker 1: petrol station to bail you. Have you even paid
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  Speaker 2: her back? I have what I paid her back that day.
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  Speaker 2: We
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  Speaker 1: also haven't seen the statements or anything. What I I
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  Speaker 1: do want to say, though, that I wouldn't mind if
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  Speaker 1: an insolvent person was in power
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  Speaker 1: just because just because of South Africa's debt crisis you
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  Speaker 1: want to have someone who can resonate with the people.
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  Speaker 1: And there are so many South Africans in debt. You
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  Speaker 1: want them to have the right priorities. So, Thabo, maybe
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  Speaker 1: you'd be perfect.
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  Speaker 1: Are you still in debt? I'm not in debt. You're
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  Speaker 1: not good for it anymore.