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Gossip Guru A.J. Benza is Back With All the Buzz · Miss Understood with Rachel Uchitel

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  Speaker 1: on this Thursday.
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  Speaker 2: This is Rachel.
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  Speaker 1: You could tell your host and you're listening to misunderstood.
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  Speaker 1: Today we have a guest back who I absolutely love.
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  Speaker 1: It's the gossip guru, AJ Benza. He is back with
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  Speaker 1: all the buzz. Today's guest needs no introduction. He's the
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  Speaker 1: guy who knows all the celebs, dirty secrets, and loves
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  Speaker 1: to spill it. AJ Benza is back with us to
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  Speaker 1: break down all the latest and greatest gossip. and scandals
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  Speaker 1: from today's headline. I just want to tell you that
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  Speaker 1: when I do episodes like this, like I'll remind you
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  Speaker 1: that I do not like to cover gossip.
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  Speaker 2: That's not really what this show is about.
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  Speaker 1: But once in a while, I like to have someone
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  Speaker 1: on like a David Yontif or an AJ Benza. I
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  Speaker 1: have David on because he'll talk specifically about pop culture
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  Speaker 1: and Bravo stuff. AJ is much different. He has a
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  Speaker 1: journalism degree. He has a background in real education in
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  Speaker 1: this world of being a real journalist. He knows what
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  Speaker 1: that's about. And then not only that, he's lived and
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  Speaker 1: experienced life with all these celebrities. He's been a celebrity
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  Speaker 1: in his own right, and he's covered every celebrity scandal.
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  Speaker 1: He has all the cell phone numbers in his phone
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  Speaker 1: for the people that he's talking about. So when he speaks,
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  Speaker 1: People should listen because he is a credible source on
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  Speaker 1: the information that he spills. If it's buzzworthy, we talk
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  Speaker 1: about it today. We get into the Taylor Swift, Travis
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  Speaker 1: Kelsey romance blowing up the NFL and social media. AJ
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  Speaker 1: gives us the inside scoop on Julia Fox's days as
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  Speaker 1: a dominatrix. We talk about Jada and Will's sex parties
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  Speaker 1: and who Tupac's real killer is. We also get into
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  Speaker 1: Britney Spears' mic drop moments from her book. AJ also
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  Speaker 1: opens up about his personal setbacks and how he's made
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  Speaker 1: it through to the other side. He talks about the
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  Speaker 1: state of gossip in entertainment and if there is a
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  Speaker 1: place for du moi in this brand new journalism. There
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  Speaker 1: is so much in this episode, you'll really have to listen.
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  Speaker 1: So sit back, get a glass of wine, enjoy yourself
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  Speaker 1: because what you hear is super explosive and super juicy.
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  Speaker 1: Enjoy AJ Benza. AJ Benza, thank you for joining me
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  Speaker 1: once again on Misunderstood. I'm so happy that you're here.
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  Speaker 3: Well, look, I'd love to see you. Unfortunately, right now,
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  Speaker 3: I can't see your face because we have a lag
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  Speaker 3: situation going between us. But always a pleasure to show
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  Speaker 3: up on your show, Rich.
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  Speaker 2: All right. So we'll see how far we get before
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  Speaker 2: we have to redo this.
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  Speaker 1: But let's jump right into it, because I have you
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  Speaker 1: here today to talk to talk about the top stories
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  Speaker 1: that are going on and get your take, because I
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  Speaker 1: think you have such a different take on these things
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  Speaker 1: than other people. So the first thing that makes sense
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  Speaker 1: to start with is the Taylor.
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  Speaker 2: And Travis story.
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  Speaker 1: Love affair, because now it seems like it is a
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  Speaker 1: real thing. Um, they've attended, she has attended his fourth game.
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  Speaker 1: She seems to be as good luck charm. Uh, he
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  Speaker 1: has won every game that she has been at and
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  Speaker 1: she he's actually won every game since they became, you know, public.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, what do you think about this? Um, you know,
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  Speaker 2: this coupling here?
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  Speaker 3: Well, by the way, they also won a Super Bowl
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  Speaker 3: without her anywhere near the stadium, okay? So let's relax
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  Speaker 3: about how much of a good luck charm she is.
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  Speaker 2: That's a really good point.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think this will go past the spring. I
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  Speaker 3: think Taylor Swift is one of the best marketers ever.
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  Speaker 3: I think she knows how to butter her toast and
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  Speaker 3: to combine with the NFL and, you know, use herself
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  Speaker 3: and her face. And combining with the great Travis Kelsey,
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  Speaker 3: nothing can go wrong. But I don't think this will go. Look,
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  Speaker 3: here's the thing. I don't want to speak at a turn.
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  Speaker 3: Travis Kelsey dated five very curvy black women before Taylor Swift. OK,
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  Speaker 3: she's a white girl with no discernible ass. OK, this
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  Speaker 3: is not what he likes, but it's good for the public.
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  Speaker 3: It'll go on until May. Then it'll be over.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's very interesting because it is true that
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  Speaker 1: his last five girlfriends were curvy African-American women. I did
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  Speaker 1: notice that he does seem to have a type up
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  Speaker 1: until now, but obviously it's not hurting his wallet. It's
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  Speaker 1: not hurting his fame. And I do think, listen, I
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  Speaker 1: have an 11 year old daughter. In the last month,
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  Speaker 1: we've watched every Kansas City game. She walks around in
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  Speaker 1: her number 87 jersey with, you know, Kelsey on the
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  Speaker 1: back of it. She has a newfound love of football.
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  Speaker 1: She even instead of playing Roblox, she plays a football
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  Speaker 1: game and she knows all the all the, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the things you say in football, fourth down, 10th, whatever
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  Speaker 1: it is.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know.
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  Speaker 1: So I think it's really affected young girls in a
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  Speaker 1: way that's very interesting.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm all for it.
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  Speaker 1: But I will say for, you know, once you're on
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  Speaker 1: a pedestal, once you're on a pedestal like that, people
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  Speaker 1: love you so much. It makes me fear for what
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  Speaker 1: happens when that breakup happens, because, you know, at some
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  Speaker 1: point you got to come off that pedestal.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: People love to bring people down.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, everybody gets knocked off the pedestal at
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  Speaker 3: some point, and it's not even a big fall for
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  Speaker 3: Travis or Taylor. They're having a ball. The world or
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  Speaker 3: the country is behind it. They think it's great. But
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  Speaker 3: listen to me. Ask yourself, did Taylor Swift watch football
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  Speaker 3: last year when two teams with the record of 2-11
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  Speaker 3: played against each other? No, she didn't. She's not a
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  Speaker 3: football fan. She's a KC fan because... She's with Travis Kelsey,
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  Speaker 3: and it's a very– look, she linked up with the
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  Speaker 3: right guy at the right time. But I don't think
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  Speaker 3: it's going to go past spring. I don't think so.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, all right. Well, that's very interesting.
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  Speaker 3: I got my girlfriend saying, I mean, women right now
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  Speaker 3: are acting like Taylor Swift is an athlete. I don't
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  Speaker 3: even know what to say. I'm like, what do you
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  Speaker 3: mean she's an athlete? Oh, you know what? So is
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  Speaker 3: Fred Astaire an athlete? Was Ginger Rogers an athlete? Taylor
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  Speaker 3: Swift is just a chick who knows exactly what to
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  Speaker 3: do when it comes to marketability. She's perfect at it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I have noticed that fans have taken a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of a turn as of this morning, considering last
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  Speaker 1: night people watched her do this new handshake with Brittany Mahomes.
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  Speaker 2: People didn't necessarily love it.
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  Speaker 1: They also didn't love that she was in the box
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  Speaker 1: with Patrick Mahomes' brother, Jackson, who has been charged with
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  Speaker 1: three counts of aggravated sexual battery. So the Swifties were
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  Speaker 1: very worried about that. So I see that people are
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  Speaker 1: starting to worry and say some negative things about the
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  Speaker 1: whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: All right, so let's move on.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they are, but the people are... Go ahead. No,
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  Speaker 3: I'm just saying the people who watch are very behind
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  Speaker 3: people like me. We know ahead of time what's going
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  Speaker 3: to happen. They're chanting now, but there's a problem with
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  Speaker 3: Taylor and Travis. It's not going to work past spring.
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  Speaker 3: It's just great marketability. Good for her. Good for him.
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  Speaker 3: He's also Mr. Pfizer and Mr. Bud Light. Excuse me.
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  Speaker 3: Those are two of the hottest topics in the world.
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  Speaker 3: To be Mr. Pfizer and Mr. Bud Light? No. Many, many,
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  Speaker 3: many men are not happy with his decision to do that. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Very interesting.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Let's move on to the fact that this month there
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  Speaker 1: are four big memoirs that are out. Julia Fox, she's
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  Speaker 1: having a great week. She made the bestseller list and
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  Speaker 1: she's been up on stage with Madonna. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: interesting that she claims that she wrote this book herself.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like everyone is claiming these days that they
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  Speaker 1: do not have a ghostwriter. Are you going to be
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  Speaker 1: buying Julia's book?
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, not any of them wrote their
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  Speaker 3: own book. Okay, I was with Paris Hilton online at
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  Speaker 3: a coffee shop many years ago when somebody tapped her
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  Speaker 3: on the shoulder and she had no idea. idea who
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  Speaker 3: the person was. And the girl said, Paris, I wrote
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  Speaker 3: your book. This is what goes on. They don't know
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  Speaker 3: who the fuck is writing that book. They don't know.
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  Speaker 3: John Stamos, I love. Good for him, but he's got
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  Speaker 3: to put something delicious in there about being abused as
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  Speaker 3: a kid. Everybody's going on this angle. Julian Fox is nuts.
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  Speaker 3: I know people who work with her at the sex store,
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  Speaker 3: the dungeon in Chelsea, Manhattan, okay? Do you want to
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  Speaker 3: hear this, Rachel?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's hear the inside scoop.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Julia Fox was, you know, taking care of
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  Speaker 3: men every which way you can for years. And the
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  Speaker 3: people who worked with her at the dungeon didn't like
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  Speaker 3: what she was doing because she took clients away from
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  Speaker 3: the business. And as a result, I have a picture
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  Speaker 3: of her red Louboutin shoes with all their cigarette butts
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  Speaker 3: put down in it. The girl I know is named Poison.
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  Speaker 3: She's worked there for years. And Julia Fox was, you know,
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  Speaker 3: she was sex for hire. And now she's being, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: people act like Julia Fox is the greatest thing. She's nothing.
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  Speaker 3: She was banging guys in a dungeon. I mean, why
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  Speaker 3: are we making her a star? She's absolutely nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I will say I loved her in that movie
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  Speaker 1: she was in with Adam Sandler. I thought she was
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  Speaker 1: brilliantly cast in there. She looked beautiful. She was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: good in that movie. That movie was like a total
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  Speaker 1: shocker because it seemed to be cast so oddly for
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  Speaker 1: the subject matter.
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  Speaker 2: What was it called? Uncut Gems or something.
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  Speaker 3: Uncut Gems. Yeah, it was a good movie. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And she was like the breakout star there and people
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  Speaker 2: hadn't heard of her.
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  Speaker 1: I think what makes the book so interesting is that
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  Speaker 1: she admits to being a dominatrix. She admits all these
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  Speaker 1: sexual things and people are like, oh, wow, you've gone
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  Speaker 1: from that to being as famous as dating Kanye West.
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  Speaker 1: Now people forget, I think they were together, she admits
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  Speaker 1: for like a month or less. It wasn't like dating, right?
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  Speaker 1: So I think.
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  Speaker 4: She's got- The car is beautiful. Where did you end
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  Speaker 4: up going for it?
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  Speaker 5: This exclusive place that Donna's connections with? they have more
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  Speaker 5: cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
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  Speaker 4: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
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  Speaker 6: It's Dunaidial.
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  Speaker 3: Where?
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  Speaker 6: Dunaidial. There's an accent on the E.
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  Speaker 4: Do you mean.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, I got it on Dundale Cars.
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  Speaker 3: Lift?
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  Speaker 4: Please. You going past Kimmage?
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  Speaker 5: Oh, Kimmage.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 6: Dundale Cars.
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  Speaker 7: You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of newfound fame because of that.
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  Speaker 1: She wears a lot of interesting clothes that people say
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  Speaker 1: is high fashion.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't it's not my thing, so I don't get it.
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  Speaker 2: But people apparently love her.
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  Speaker 3: But here's the point. Look, good for her. She was
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  Speaker 3: in a movie. She had a couple of scenes in
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  Speaker 3: Uncut Gems. She was fine. I'm not going to call
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  Speaker 3: her a breakout star. Adam Sandler was the breakout star
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  Speaker 3: of Uncut Gems. No one knew he could be that
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  Speaker 3: perfect at drama. Julia Fox was like an also-ran. Look,
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  Speaker 3: you know, she has a life. She has a story.
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  Speaker 3: She come from the sex dungeon. Now she's very popular
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  Speaker 3: among people who read gossip columns. But I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: What does it take to be famous now? What is
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  Speaker 3: she bringing us? What is the product?
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's a good point.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think in this day and age, it's
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  Speaker 1: very easy to be famous for a number of different things.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like when we were younger where you had
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  Speaker 1: to have experience and a resume and a reel. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it was hard to be famous back then.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let's get to Britney's.
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  Speaker 1: Book, which is, you know, every time I turn on
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  Speaker 1: TMZ or look at the news, the top story is
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  Speaker 1: a new quote unquote bombshell from Britney's book the woman
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  Speaker 1: in me i think the biggest bombshell of this whole
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  Speaker 1: book is that she claimed she wrote that herself when
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  Speaker 1: she's incapable of doing any press for the book herself
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  Speaker 1: i mean she did an exclusive with people magazine they
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  Speaker 1: said that it was actually only done on email the
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  Speaker 1: picture on the cover of the book clearly isn't recent
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  Speaker 1: i think it's very odd don't you no i think.
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  Speaker 3: I think everything about Britney is odd. And I've been
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  Speaker 3: on top of this story for years. And I said,
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  Speaker 3: this is going to be a story people talk about
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  Speaker 3: 100 years from now. This is Judy Garland times 100.
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  Speaker 3: What happened to Britney Spears is awful. But what we
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  Speaker 3: found out is, as much as we wanted her out
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  Speaker 3: of the conservatorship, we now know she needed to be
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  Speaker 3: in it. I mean, really, her father, her mother, however
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  Speaker 3: they might have robbed her, etc. This girl needs to
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  Speaker 3: have people around her every day. She, look, she has
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  Speaker 3: no friends. Have you ever seen the video with her
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  Speaker 3: and a girlfriend? Have you ever seen somebody show up
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  Speaker 3: at her house and just chill? No. She's a very
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  Speaker 3: lonely girl. And listen, what they say about the devil's idol,
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  Speaker 3: when you're not... doing anything, it's the worst thing. The
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  Speaker 3: devil's going to get you. Britney Spears is in desperate times. Desperate.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it does seem so odd that she wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have friends. I mean, so many people want to be
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  Speaker 1: her friend, right?
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  Speaker 2: So it seems.
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  Speaker 3: No, I don't agree.
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  Speaker 2: You don't agree?
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  Speaker 3: Why would you want to... No, why would you want
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  Speaker 3: a friend like Britney Spears? She's fucking nuts. You don't
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  Speaker 3: need that. She's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: You want to maybe take care of her and help
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  Speaker 1: her out, but to be her friend?
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  Speaker 3: What, you want to drop off.
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm saying I think it would make more sense for,
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  Speaker 1: I want to go into her house and be like, Brittany,
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  Speaker 1: with all this money, can't you get a good set
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  Speaker 1: of extensions? Can't we get some makeup that isn't running
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  Speaker 1: down your face?
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  Speaker 2: Why are you twirling all over the place?
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  Speaker 1: Why can't you get a better pair of shoes than
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  Speaker 1: the sensible brown shoes? You know, I have those questions
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  Speaker 1: for her and I'd love to be your friend because
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  Speaker 1: I'd be like, get.
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  Speaker 2: Out of this scary spinning and the knives and what
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  Speaker 2: are you doing? Who are you dating? Why are you
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  Speaker 2: dating the help?
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  Speaker 3: But I know, Rachel, you're right. She has nobody. You're
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  Speaker 3: somebody that doesn't even know her and you're trying to
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  Speaker 3: offer her advice. She has people that she claims are
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  Speaker 3: her friends who never show up. And it's very sad. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I've seen the extensions that are too long and too
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  Speaker 3: old and the eye makeup that's not changed and the clothes.
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  Speaker 3: Britney Spears is stuck in 2004. That's what she wears.
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  Speaker 3: That's how she acts. She has two teenage children and
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  Speaker 3: you never know it. It's horrifying what's happened to her.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is. It's a shame. It's upsetting. Do
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  Speaker 2: you believe a lot of the things that she came
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  Speaker 2: out with in this book?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I believe the abortion story with Justin Timberlake,
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  Speaker 3: to me, that's not a big revelation. People have sex
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  Speaker 3: and get pregnant. I get it. I've been there myself.
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  Speaker 3: I don't even, I mean, is that the biggest revelation
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  Speaker 3: that Justin said get an abortion? Is that the biggest story?
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  Speaker 3: I know how these things go. They excerpt the book
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  Speaker 3: for two or three weeks before it comes out. What's
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  Speaker 3: the next big story? That Justin said, get an abortion.
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  Speaker 3: Is that it? Is that it? Well, I think that's it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think the other ones, you know, she
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• 19:41
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: I think the Colin Farrell fling where she said they
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: had like rough sex for two weeks.
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  Speaker 2: I thought that was sort of interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Right. I know. Listen, I hung out with Colin during
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: that time and he absolutely told me, so did Ben Affleck.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: They absolutely both told me what they were doing with Brittany.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: They were having a ball with her. Okay? Like every
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: room in the house kind of situation. So, here. Britney
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: was having a ball. She was wildly famous. And if
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: Justin Timberlake stepped out, so did she. I mean, they
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: were kids. They weren't even 21 yet.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm curious.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: I'm curious if back then, I wish these guys would talk,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: shed a little light on it and say back then, yeah,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: she was, you know, free with her body and we
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: had a lot of great sex, but she was normal
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: and we could have a conversation.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, I want to know if she was just crazy.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: I don't I think she was just crazy Rachel these
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: guys are not going to talk I mean men know
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: I'm the guy that talks about shit but men know
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: don't talk about a celebrity who had sex with it's
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: not good you don't look good nothing good comes of
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: it so Ben or Colin or anybody else is never
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: going to say yeah we had a great time we
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: were screwing here and there but Brittany is to me
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: it's the saddest story in in celebrity right now. I
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: don't know of a sadder situation than her. I mean,
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: I think that she's going to die in that house
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: or hurt somebody in that house. I think police need
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: to go there and clean her out of there and
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: put her someplace in a facility. This is so sad.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, playing with knives at three o'clock in the morning. What?
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: Are you kidding me? She's gone. She's lost it. Right.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Well, I think there's a lot of red flags now,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: even more so for the fact that the book came
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: out and she can't do any in-person or even over
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: the phone interviews. I think that doesn't make sense. And
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: I thought it was so bizarre to not get a
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: real photo on the cover of her book.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's like not even heard of.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: I know. I know. Listen. You know what? It's funny.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Like I said, Britney is stalled in a certain era
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: where her life was the best. That picture that's on
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: the book represents a period in her life when she
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: was the best. It harkens back to what I said
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: to you last time we spoke about certain celebrities and
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: what they'll do. And like Jamie Foxx, all right? Jamie
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Foxx could have held his phone up and said, I'm fine.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: I'm in the hospital bed, but I'm fine. He never
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: did it. So now we're just supposed to believe this
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: fable that he was sick for four months and got better.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: They don't tell the truth. Britney's not telling the truth.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: And it's just a sad state of affairs.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: It is sad.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: And I'm very curious how it'll play out because it's
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: clearly not getting any better. So, all right, let's move
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: on to the next book. Jada Pinkett, her biggest revelation.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: It's called Worthy for people that are interested that she
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: was separate. She's been separated for seven years. She continues
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: to humiliate Will Smith, in my opinion, over and over.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: That doesn't end.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: And then she talks a lot about Tupac and her
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: relationship with Tupac and how in love he was with her.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: So are you going to get this book?
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: No. If I get that book, I'll make sure I'll
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: put it on the bottom of my birdcage. No, I'm
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: not going to get that book. Look, I knew Tupac
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: very well. I hung out with him. For years, I
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: was in the hospital when he got shot the first
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: time with his mother and Mickey Rourke. Tupac never speak
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: or spoke about Jada Pinkett like this. Jada Pinkett is
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: using a dead man's story to paint her own portrait,
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: which she's done to Will Smith.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: for it?
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with. they have
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: It's Dune-A-D-L.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: Where?
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: Dune-A-D-L.
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: There's an accent on the E.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: Do you mean.
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: Yes, I got it on Dundale Cars.
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: Lift?
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: Please.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: Are you going past Kimmage? Oh, Kimmage.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: No.
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: Dundale Cars.
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Is so embarrassing. And Will Smith needs to just walk
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: away from it and look at it. It's like it's
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: an out-of-body experience. Will Smith, she's destroying you, bro. You
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: are the Black Tom Cruise, and she's just taking you apart.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: And I'll say something else. She was supposedly separated for
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: seven years with Will? Okay. Well, then when Chris Rock
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: asked her to go out, She said, no, me and
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Will are, it's a rumor, we're together. That meant she
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: lied about seven years being, you know, apart. And that
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: night when he smacked Chris Rock, it stems from that
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: time because Jada told Will, Chris Rock asked me out,
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: and he couldn't process it. He couldn't take it. It's
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: somewhere deep inside his body. But she's a real nasty girl.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: And I forgot, I told your producer. I said, in 2000,
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: I'm hanging out with Al B. Shore, the R &
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: B singer, right?
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: I love him.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: And Al B. goes, he's the best. Al B. goes, hey,
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: you want to go see Jada and Will uptown at
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: a hotel? I go, what for? He goes, it's a
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: sex party. I said, what? Is it the sex party?
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: I said, I don't do that, bro. He said, just
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: get a girlfriend and come uptown. I go, no, that's
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: not my thing. So he called a friend of mine.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: My friend went with his girlfriend and gave me blow
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: for blow about Will and Jada and the sex parties
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: they throw.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Wait, time out, time out.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: So now you need to give me- You need to
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: give me the blow-by-blow about the sex party.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: I don't even know what that means. Tell me everything.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: Okay. Here's the thing. Will and Jada have been swinging
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: for many years. And when I was with Albie in
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: 2000 or so, he mentioned, you want to go uptown?
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: They're here. And have some fun. And that's just not
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: my scene. I said, no, it's not my thing, buddy.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: But he called a buddy of mine who went with
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: his girlfriend and gave me the blow-by-blow of... Well, I
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: say blow-by-blow, pardon the pun, but really, like, they have
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: fun with other people. They've done it for years. This
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: is a partnership. It's Bill and Hillary. It's Donald and Melania.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: It's like so many things out there we see. It's not...
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: It's love, don't get me wrong. But it's not the
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: love you and I have for our partners. It's a
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: different thing.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Right, it's like companionship or something. A teammate in whatever
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: thing that is really going on in your life, they
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: are facilitating that.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, there's no prenup. I mean, they never
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: did a prenup. So if you're Will Smith, do you
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: leave with no prenup? That's a lot of dough, man.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Or you just hang out and say, oh, she's the best,
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: I love her. I mean, that's a lot of millions
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: of dollars on the table. Right, right, right.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: All right, so let's go back to Tupac for a second.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Just recently, they made an arrest on someone who they
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: say is the real killer of Tupac. Do you believe
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: that it is an accurate arrest that was made?
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: No, no, it's not accurate. GPD was the shot caller,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: which means in the vernacular of the street, he was
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: the guy who put the hit out. But here's what
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: you have to know. Reggie Wright was a security guard
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: for Death Row Records. Reggie Wright was also banging Suge
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: Knight's wife. They were going to take over Death Row.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: Reggie and Suge's wife were going to take over Death Row.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: So they wanted Tupac gone and Suge gone. The shooters
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: in the car that night were Danny and Malcolm Patton
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: and also a kid named Little Half Dead. They are
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: the shooters, not Keith E.D. So Sugar's made reference to it.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: I'm telling you now, I've known this for years. I
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: said this on my podcast six years ago. The shooters
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: are Danny and Malcolm Patton.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: And are these guys still alive?
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, a little after, no, but Danny and Malcolm
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: are still alive. But Keith E.D. was the guy who
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: called the shot. Like, for instance, you know Sam with
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: the Bull Gravano, right? Yes. Okay.
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: So Sammy didn't kill 19 people, but he was involved
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: in 19 hits. That meant that sometimes he made the call.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: This guy's got to go. Here's the crash cars we're
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: going to use. Here's the guns we're going to use.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: Here's the place we're going to do it in. He
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: wasn't the murderer, but he made the call. That's where
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: Chief E.D. was that night for Danny and Malcolm and
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Little Half Dead.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Do you think that he's going to turn on them?
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: now that he's been arrested and point the finger at them?
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: Well, no, because there's too many people in prison that
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: can really hurt him. They're not on the street. The
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: people that can really hurt him are in prison or
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: in other prisons. So no, he ain't going to, no,
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: he can't do that. He's going to do his time.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: And you understand some of these people, they don't mind
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: living that way. They don't mind living that way in
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: a prison in that kind of climate with killers next
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: to them. It's harder for them to be out of
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: here than it is for them to be in there.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: Some people, some people. All right.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Well, speaking of someone like that, let's talk about Suge Knight.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: It was reported that he is now starting a podcast
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: from jail.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't know that. Really?
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Are you going to tune in?
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: You scooped me. Oh, yeah. I mean, look, Suge has
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: said some insane stuff. I mean, I was friends with
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Eazy-E way back in the day. And Suge has said
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: that Eazy-E got hit with an AIDS needle. Remember that story?
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: Suge said that you want to get somebody, you hit
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: them with an AIDS needle with someone's tainted blood. And
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: a lot of people who know Eazy-E from NW are like,
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: wait a minute, the guy was coughing in November and
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: died two months later of full-blown AIDS. What is that about?
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: I'd be really curious to see what Suge says on
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: this podcast. I absolutely will listen because this guy knows
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: where everybody's buried. Everybody.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: That's interesting. Do we know how long he's in jail for?
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: What was his latest crime that he's in jail for?
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: He ran over a guy at Tommy's Burgers. I mean,
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: I know a guy that was involved in that situation
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: named Bones. I know a lot of guys in that
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: part of town from the After Hours clubs and shit. Bones,
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: who's a real... Denzel Washington imitated Bones in Training Day.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: That's how real Bones is. And he's like, You know,
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: there's no one meaner than Shug. He is the meanest
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: mother effort around. So I don't know how many years
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: he's got, but I don't think he's coming out soon.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: But how do you start a podcast in jail? How
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: do you do that? I don't know.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: We'll have to look into that.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: But it was reported that he will be starting a
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: podcast from jail. So it's funny because people do talk
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: about him as being one of the meanest motherfuckers out there.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: I will tell you a story. I don't know if
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: I've told you before, but when I ran... Tao when
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: I was the director of operations my job was to
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: take care of the high rollers and the celebrities and
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: one night Suge Knight came in to the club and
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: usually I handed the celebrities off to one of my
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: assistants or hosts is what they're called but with Suge
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I took him upstairs and we went we got in
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: the elevator and it was a quite a small elevator
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: and it was just him and I And I don't
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: know how this happened, but the elevator got stuck. No,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: it was kind of like red lights that.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Were in because it was an Asian theme.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: So it was like a hot red. OK, so we're
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: in the elevator and it shakes and stops.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I look at him.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: He was to my left. And he's like, what's going on?
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I didn't plan this or anything. Like, relax,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: let me figure it out. And I have a lot
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: of male energy in me, okay? My heart rate does
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: not go up for really anything. So I was pretty calm.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: He became a big baby. He ended up minutes later
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: sliding down the wall, ended up in a fetal position
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: practically on the floor. And I remember because I had
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: my IFB in my ear and everybody. So I was
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: dating Jason Strauss at the time, the owner of the club.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: And Jason somehow got on the radio. He took someone's earpiece.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: And after people were telling me what to do and
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: that the fire department was coming, Jason gets on the
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: earpiece and says, do not bring up Tupac.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Whatever you do.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: He said that?
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Being a total idiot who only loved Hall & Oates. Oh,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: my God.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: And I would bother the DJ all the time about
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: playing those two bands or whatever.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: He was like, do not bring it up.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: And I thought to myself, this would be the greatest
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: time to ask him who killed Tupac.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: But I did not.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: My God. Wow, that is the best. Look, I thought
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: it was weird when I went. After I... reported on
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: OJ Simpson for many, many months and years and stuff.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: I was in Miami and he was out of jail.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: And I was in an elevator at the Mondrian. I
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: press up and suddenly this black hand puts his hand
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: for the door to open. And it's OJ. I'm like,
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: oh my God, it's OJ. I can't believe it. I
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: talked about him on Geraldo on Inside a Dick. I mean,
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: I did everything. And he walks in and he's a
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: big man. And I said, look, OJ, I just want
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: to say, man, you know, I did my job. He goes,
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: I know what you said, man. So we're cool. We're cool.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: He shook my hand. I said, I'm getting out of
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: the 10th floor. Where are you going? He goes, I'm
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: going to the fucking penthouse, motherfucker. I couldn't, I'm like,
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: oh my God, this is the best moment. OJ's going
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: to the penthouse after he killed two people and I'm
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: getting out of the 10th floor. But yeah, those are,
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: Crazy circumstances with Suge. I had those with Tupac. I mean,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: I was with Tupac when Mickey Ruff wanted to kill himself.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: I'm home at night, three o'clock in the morning, my
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: phone rings and Tupac says, hey man, get up to
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: Frederick's uptown. Mickey is out of his mind. Fly uptown
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: to Frederick's was a Actually, Tupac said it's a faggy joint, whatever.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: That's his words, not mine. And I go to, and
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: Mickey's ripping apart a bathroom. I said, what are you doing?
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: He says, page six wrote some shit about me. I'm
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: going to kill Richard Johnson, the editor. I said, come on,
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: let's get in the car. We're in a car. We're
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: driving down Fifth Avenue. Mickey says, stop the car to
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: his driver. He lays.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: for it?
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with. they have
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: It's Dunaidial.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: Where?
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Dunaidial.
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: There's an accent on the E.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: Do you mean.
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: Yes, I got it on Dundale Cars.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: Lift?
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: Please.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: You going past Kimmage? Oh, Kimmage.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: No.
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: Dundale Cars.
• 35:57
  Speaker 7: You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: Down in the middle of Fifth Avenue. He says, I
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: want to die tonight. I said, Mickey, what are you doing?
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: It's four o'clock. Mickey, Tupac says, fuck it, I want
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: to die too. So I go, well, I guess I
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: want to go out with you two guys. That'd be
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: a great obituary. So I lay down. No cars came
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: for five minutes. But, you know, that's just a crazy
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: incident with people that are bigger than, you know, they're like,
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: Shug is bigger than his personality could ever be. Tupac was...
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: They're just big people, man. And, you know, I love
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: that story on the elevator that should just collapse. Like,
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: that's great.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Well, and it was so great because I thought he
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: was the sweetest, nicest, you know, guy, you know, that
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: I had met in a long time.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: But you girls don't.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: You girls don't.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: It was gentle.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: Baby, you pretty girls don't get it. Why would a
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: man be nasty to you? Of course he's going to
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: be cool to you. He might kill the next three guys,
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: but to you he's going to be nice and Come on.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: And that's kind of hot.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: That's why people like rip from Yellowstone because he's always
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: ready to kill someone for you.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: How great is Yellowstone? I love Yellowstone.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: So good.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Love it.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: So, well, that's really funny.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'll try and contact Shug in prison and ask
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: him if he'll do my podcast or he'll have me
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: on his.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: That'd be huge. Get him on. That'd be huge.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: That would, that would be great. All right.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: So let's, oh, wait, just on the topic of podcasts
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: for a second. Let's talk about, are you familiar with
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Call Her Daddy?
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Do you listen to that?
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: I've heard about it. I never listened to it, but
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: I know it was hugely successful. Yeah, I know.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, hugely successful.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: I was just curious because it has a lot of
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: sort of Gen Z, millennial type of people, and it's exploded.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: It's really become a place that people watch and listen
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: to this gossip. Well, another one that you might know
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: of more than is Dumas.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: What do you think of the phenomenon of... of Dumois.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: They basically wrote a book that's now being made into
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: a TV show and they started on the internet on
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: social media.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: And here they are as reporters, sort of.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, I know. Well, listen, I'm not going to
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: hate on anybody who gets that kind of fame and
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: takes it to where they're going. Good for them. But
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: I just remember what it was like to be alone
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: in a newsroom Maybe there were 15 or 20 gossip
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: columnists in the country. And we got the stuff we got.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: We tracked down our sources and we got stories. And
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: you needed two people to be objective about a story.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: That's all gone now. Now you've got... Places like a
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: page or an entity where anybody can call and say,
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: I saw so-and-so at this restaurant. He had his hand
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: on so-and-so's lap. And I think the marriage is in trouble.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: And then they'll build on that story. And then 1,500
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: people will say what they think. And it becomes a story.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: And is it even a story? I'm not going to
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: hate on them because they found the niche. And I'm
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: glad because gossip is my thing since 1989. So if
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: gossip blows up again, great. I'll stand to profit. But
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: I don't like the fact that you don't have to
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: be a real newspaper man or a journalist to get stories.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: That kind of bugs me. You know, you need a
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: press pass, man. i you know can you get past
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: police line police uh police tape can you do that
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: no you can't so Well, you know.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: That's such a good point that you bring up, though,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: because I feel like, you know, people are really impressioned by,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: impressed by someone who has a press pass that might
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: be from like Extra TV or Inside Edition. And those
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: aren't even really journalists.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: That ain't shit.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, on a news show. And when I was younger,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: you know, I wanted to go to journalism school. I
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: wanted to learn what made news. I wanted to figure
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: out the ins and outs of how it worked. And
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: no one does that anymore. Anyone can be a reporter
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: or a journalist because they just create, you know, a
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: TikTok page or whatever. And it is dangerous, but yeah,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: it's crazy because I feel like someone with an education
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: who really follows the standards and the rules is, gets
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: kind of pushed aside because that's not the game anymore, right?
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: So it's like the game is to do it a
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: different way.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: No, I appreciate you saying that because, you know, I
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: went to college. I got my journalism degree. I toughed
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: it out at Newsday in Long Island for six, seven years.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: And then I got my shot in New York City
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: at the Daily News. And then I wrote for every
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: paper and magazine you can think of because I proved
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: my ability. I mean, I was in the street. I
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: was with these people. Most of these people now, I
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: don't even know who's behind Dumois. I'm sure I can
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: find their names out, but where are they?
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: I think it's still anonymous. I think that that's part
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: of the allure is that no one... knows right but
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: so much of this stuff is people regurgitating stories and
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: photos and bravo you know shows and that's how they've
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: become famous in their own right as like journalists because
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: they're just regurgitating stuff they're not breaking by the way.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: No they're not no one's breaking stories that's why on
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: my show on fame is a bitch i break stories
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: and i use that in my uh on my patreon
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: page i don't give it to the free people i
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: i hint to them that i got a big story
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: but What bothers me is that, well, it's just not
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: going to change. It's gotten to be a tumbleweed that's
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: flowing and flowing and rolling downhill. We're not going to
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: change it. People want news. They want entertainment. And they
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: don't really care necessarily if it might be false or so.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: They just want to consume stuff. And I like to
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: slow down and go, listen, I know that such and
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: such happened yesterday. But I need two days to figure
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: this shit out. I need two days to call my
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: sources and figure this shit out, then I'll give you
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: the right shit. I'm not going to bark off the
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: first minute it happens.
• 42:05
  Speaker 6: I'm not.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: Except when I know that someone's full of shit, like
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: Jesse Smollett or whatever. I mean, there's stories you know
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: are bullshit. But otherwise, I'm like, give me a couple
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: of days. I'm going to get it for you. Just
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: give me two days.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: That story with Jesse was so incredibly insane.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, I was on Adam Carolla's show when that broke,
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: and Adam's girl read it, and I said, oh, that's bullshit.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: He didn't do this. There's no black guy in Illinois
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: at 2 a.m. going to Subway and getting hung by
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: a noose. Adam's like, what do you mean? I go, Adam,
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: it's a lie. That's my intuition of 30 years doing this.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: I just can tell it's a lie. Jamie Foxx was
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: a lie. Like, I don't know how to tell you
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: how to develop that, but I have it. And, you know,
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: it's up to, I mean, look, anybody can believe what
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: they want to believe in America, what they read, but
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: I see so many things that are such bullshit. Look,
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: if we go out, like yesterday, I'm looking at the paper.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: I can't take it. What's the girl's name from Guys
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: on HBO? I can't stand her. The fat girl. Lena Dunham. Dunham. Okay,
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: I can't take it. Lena Dunham. She shows up, and some...
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: ghastly gown that looked like somebody's curtains for the dining
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: room and the newspaper is writing about how wonderful and
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: curvy and beautiful I'm like there's not a fucking man
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: alive who thinks that's beautiful and curvy she's a pig
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: she's a pig I'm sorry, Rachel, you can, you walk
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: out with a pair of drapes on you. People will say, oh,
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: that's Rachel. She looks good. Not Lena Dunham. Stop it.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: I know you can't talk.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously they like her acting skills.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: What has she done? Okay, she wrote, guys, great. Now, next.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: What do we got next? Now she just complains about
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: what illnesses she has. And that's the new thing. Every
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: chick in Hollywood has an illness. Lyme disease, ADHD. I
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: got this. I got even old bowel syndrome. Did Rita
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: Hayworth say that shit? Didn't even Demi Moore say that shit?
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: What are we doing?
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: No, you're right.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, so let's, you know, it's funny that you're mentioning
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: what you're looking at in the papers. Recently, I've been
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: looking at what's permeating the news, right? And it's really,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: for what's going on in the world, it's really basic bullshit.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: But anyways, let's talk about it.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: There's a couple stories of this late-in-life lesbianism going on,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: from Kyle and Mauricio's saga.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Do you think that's real, that Kyle is now dating
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: this singer, Morgan Wade?
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah. No, I see the pictures. I look
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: at them together. I see the body language. She's definitely,
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: they're smashing clams. I think we can say that, right?
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, they're having some fun. I get pillow biting.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Good for her.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, I feel, look, many years ago when I
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: was a reporter, what's his name? Oh, God, the actor,
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: his wife left him for Melissa Etheridge. Blue Diamond Phillips.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, I forgot about that.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, I had this story. I'm like, wait,
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: your wife left you for a chick? It was like unprecedented.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: Now it's all the time. I don't think Kyle Richards
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: knows what she really wants in life. I also think
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: that they all know they've got to keep the episodes
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: going and keep the interest going because if Kyle Richards
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: doesn't have the Housewives show, what is she? Why would
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: anybody tune into her and listen to her? Same thing
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: with the Kardashians. They need episodes.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: It's interesting that you say that because Mauricio just started
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: with his own show. So he has his own, you know,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: he's cannibal in the other way. And which, by the way,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: wasn't a bad show. And so Kyle could be hers.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: No, Kyle's definitely, there's an eclipse happening with Kyle for real.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: It's like enough is enough. We've seen it many times.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: All these housewives are, They tend to do, look at,
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: what's her name? Blonde, don't be tardy for the party.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, Kim Zolciak?
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like these people go to jail. They're bankrupt. Really
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: bad things happen to them because they want to keep
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: up with the Joneses for so long. And I know
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: about those paychecks. I've gotten those paychecks from reality TV.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: It's like, wait, I have to show up here for
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: six weeks and I get $ 110, 000? Yeah, let's do it.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: And you realize that's not really earned money. It's just
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: they threw it at me. What do I need to
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: do to stay topical, to stay important, for people to
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: believe me? Kyle Richards and Mauricio, they're all the same people.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: They don't know what they're doing, but they've got a
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: lot of money being thrown at them, but they're not
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: being their true selves.
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: for it?
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with? they have
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
• 47:22
  Speaker 6: It's Dune-A-D-L.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: Where?
• 47:26
  Speaker 6: Dune-A-D-L. There's an accent on the E.
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: Do you mean.
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: Yes, I got it on Done Deal Cars.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: Lift? Please.
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: Are you going past Kimmage? Oh, Kimmage.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: No.
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: Done Deal Cars.
• 47:39
  Speaker 7: You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: What he is it's reality tv nini leaks there's there's
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: so many names i could go down they're just not
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: being their true selves and that's i always say this
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: is it people are as sick as their secrets okay
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: those people have really deep secrets that we don't know
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: about but you see how sick they get because they
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: can't take not being in the face of the public
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: every day We don't want to see them anymore.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: And it's very interesting what you're saying because a lot
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: of them don't have a real second job.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Mauricio does. He runs a very.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Financially stable real estate company. So he is someone without
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: the cameras being around. But all these women tend to
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: be floundering until they find a product that maybe they're
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: representing because they've been on the show.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: What you're saying is so true.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Another one I think that has shocked people, I don't
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: know that people really followed Mauricio you know, the arc
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: of Sophia Bush.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: But now she's back in the.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: News because it seems that she just got a divorce,
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: as did Ashlyn Harris, a soccer player who I had
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: never heard of. But now they're in a relationship and
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Ashlyn Harris's name is trending.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, maybe this is a thing to become
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: a late in life lesbian. I haven't tried it.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Late in life lesbian is a great term. That's a great,
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: it's a great term. Late in life lesbian. Great. Yeah. L-I-L-L.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: That's great. No, I don't even know who her girlfriend is.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: I don't know Ashlyn, whatever the hell. I saw a
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: picture of them the other day and I made a decision.
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: Don't write about this. Don't talk about who cares about
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: Sophia Bush or this chick but yes everybody let me
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: ask you a question to be really honest remember when
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: you came on the scene I mean it's horrible to
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: be how it began because the towers came down and
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: your man was there and there's a picture of you
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: on the post or the news you were like bigger
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: than the city that day I remember it and everybody
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: said like Wow, this is the face of suffering. And
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: then you know what happens? They couldn't get enough of you.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: And you felt it too. I guarantee you, you felt
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: like I've got to keep going with this. Not to
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: say you went and did what you did with Tiger
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: because you wanted to be famous, but there's something that
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: triggers it. Do you understand what I'm saying? A little bit?
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: And I've never thought of it that way. But yes,
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: when that picture came out, it was the biggest picture.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's in the museum. It's in the museum. People, listen,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: I will tell you, I got so many calls, letters, messages. um,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: emails for years. I mean, people still contact me about it.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: Someone wrote me a song about, again, if people are listening,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: don't know what we're talking about. I lost my fiance
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: in September 11th. And he's talking about the photo is
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: a very famous photo that ran, um, in, on the
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: cover of the post and everywhere else.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, it also went, it went viral.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: And, um, The thing is, is that I do understand
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: what you're saying, that my story was the face of
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: my story and the story of 9-11 and.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: It became something bigger.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, I do know what you mean. And people
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: want to interview you. People want to talk to you.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Now I can look back and say, you know, by
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: the way, it pissed off a lot of people because
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: they were like, who are you?
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: You're just a fiance. But I will say now.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: I'm so thankful that that photo was taken because people
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: know Andy's name. Whether they love me, whatever, they know
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: about him.
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: You know what else, Rach? I know you're a woman
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: of many resources. You can do what you want to do, blah, blah, blah.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: But Do you think you'd be here right now having
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: a podcast if all that horrible stuff had not happened
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: to you? No. I'm just posing the question. I don't know.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: I agree with you 100%. That's why I'm in the place. Well,
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: that's why I'm in the place in my life. that
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: I'm good at being public with my thoughts, feelings, interviewing
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: people like you, and I even have the relationship with
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: someone like you. I have a name, for better or
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: for worse, that I can literally DM most people that
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: I can think of, and they will respond about coming
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: on to my podcast.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: That's exactly what I'm talking about, because I had that...
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: for many years. I still can kind of do that
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: now and then. But yeah, it does something. It triggers
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: something in your body. Like, well, I can reach out
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: to anybody. I can talk to anybody right now. And
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: they'll return my call or my text. It's weird. And
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: I think that we, well, look, I'm glad Andy's name
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: is out there. I get chills even saying it. It
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: was the worst day in the world. I drove to
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: New York when that happened. I was, come on. I mean, horrible.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: I can't imagine what you went through, but it got
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: you here where you can reach a lot of people.
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: And even if you're talking about gossip or whatever you're
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: talking about, it doesn't matter. Rachel, you could tell is
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: here now to tell us or just to introduce us
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: to anything that she wants to. And it's just sad,
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: but you probably wouldn't have done that. If that did
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: not happen, right?
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, you're right.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: I would have been a housewife who was like following
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Bravo or whatever. I would have been, no, but nobody
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: would have known my name and nobody would have said,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: let me just hear what she has to say because
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: she's been through it. I mean, the reason why I
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: have a platform that I have is because I have
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: been through everything.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: No one has helped me. My parents weren't, my father died.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: So it wasn't, I didn't have a family that helped
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: me out of anything. I didn't have a husband or
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: a boyfriend that helped me out of anything. I survived
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of scandal, a lot of things that I did,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: but also things that fate happened.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they thrust upon you. The same thing applies to
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: me and not in the same manner with you. I
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: didn't go through. I mean, I lost my parents in
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: my 20s, divorced, lost a house, but I maintained my
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: job as a journalist and journalist. When I preach on
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: my podcast, and what people really get into is that, yeah,
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: there'll be gossip. I'll tell you stories. Don't worry about that.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: But really, I've been through fucking hell, and I'm still here.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: And I'll tell you about all that hell. I'll tell
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: you about working at Best Buy with my name on
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: my shirt, with Rocky Balboa on the TVs that I
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: was selling, a movie I was in. I mean, there's
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: so many driving a cab for 12 hours a day.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: So people, they go, wow, he really has been through
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: the fucking mill. And so have you. No one knew
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: when you had that picture in the post what was
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: going to happen to you. It was like, all right,
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: it's yesterday's news. This girl lost her man. That's horrible.
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: But look what you did. Look what you built since
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: that day. And that has a lot to say about
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: your man. And a lot to say about fate and
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: a lot to say about you, that you kept fighting
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: to build something out of it. And that's what I've done.
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: You know, I have embarrassing stories, horrifying. But we're all
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: the same. We've all had our assholes out like in public.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: We've all been like, oh, my God, you can't believe
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: what happened to me. You know, I think people really
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: Well, and that's what's so interesting about what you're saying,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: because there are so many younger people on social media
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: right now talking with such authority about.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: Something that they've never been through. We have been through it.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: We have been up on top, hanging with the most famous,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: being the most famous. We've been at the bottom, struggling
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: to figure out how you're going to. pay for the
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: cab or even get on the subway to go downtown
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: or whatever. It's like, I have been through both scenarios
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: and it's more embarrassing because people expect you to be
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: living a certain way.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: And that is not how life goes. And you know what?
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't change anything.
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah. No, you can't listen back in 2010. I have
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: to move back to Long Island to live with my sister,
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: with my two kids, four and two. And I'm sleeping
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: in the fucking bed I slept in as a kid
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: with my two-year-old son. And I'm working a cab and
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: I'm going to Best Buy. And I was writing my
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: book at that time too. So that's what got me
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: out of there. But there were days where I'd go,
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: fucking last month, I was with Jack Nicholson at his
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: house having a ball. And now I kind of want
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: to throw myself into this car that's coming down the
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: highway and Not that I would do that. But those
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: are the extremes of life that a lot of people
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: don't ever have to deal with. But they like hearing
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: it from people like us who go, oh, I've been
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: up here, but I've been way down too, man. Like,
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: you know, Jillian Barbary, she's a, she was on, she's great, right? Jillian,
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: I was on a radio show for years, KABC, the
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: TV show with Steve and I forget the other girl's name. Dorothy.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: And they were great. They were like, you had to
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: watch them every morning in LA. The morning show, KTLA.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: Jillian gets cancer. I mean, everything changes. Divorce, cancer. It's
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: been five years of her just going through the gamut.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: You remind me of her. Going through the gamut of bullshit, operations, surgeries.
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: And I watched her last night on TikTok when I said, Jillian,
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: I can't believe what you've gone through. I'm so sorry.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: Into and now how is she by the way oh
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: she beat.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: The cancer but you know she's gone through so many
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: different surgeries and shit that's wrong and they got to
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: fix this and fix that it was breast cancer she
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: got a breast removed she got i mean just horrifying
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: four years of horror right lives in an apartment now
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: she had a big house in encino that i used
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: to go to I mean, life is just fucking hard, man.
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: So the survivors, I would hope that people listen to
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: survivors like us. You know, it's easy to have a
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: show when you're famous and everything's fucking cool. But no, no.
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: Come see me when shit was bad and then we'll
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: talk about some good times.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: Right, right, right, right.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: Well, I had some other questions, but now I feel
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: like they're so stupid compared to what.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: We're talking about.
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: No, say it.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: No, but it's true, because people should be interviewing us
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: about our thoughts about it.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right? Don't you feel that way? I know.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: I do, too. I do, too.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: All right, a couple more things that people are talking about.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: True crime has a new sort of tone.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: By the way, by the way, by the way, I
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: don't look good at all. Last show, my throat was bad.
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: Now my face is too fat. I just want you
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: to know that I know that.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: Hold on.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: I want to clarify for people who are listening that
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: AJ is out of his mind.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: He actually looks quite handsome.
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: Oh, babe, no, no. My girlfriend's leaving me this week.
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: She's left me.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: Like, broke up with you, or she's going on a trip?
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: No, I wish it was a trip. No, no. She
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: doesn't like how negative I am. I approach things negatively
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: when I write a story or do a show. I'm
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: always like, who the fuck is that guy? I always
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: have an angle on, you know, I don't just approach
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: things with big bright eyes, I always go, that guy's.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: Full of shit, But that's you, so what?
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: She don't like that. She don't like it.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: How long have you been with her?
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: I left my wife for three years. And it's not
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: good right now. She don't want me. She's like, you're
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: too negative. I can't take it.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I'm so sorry to hear that, but
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: I will say.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: That being with you, you know who you are and
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: I feel like she should love you for that. And
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: as long as you're not negative with her.
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: She loves, she loves me. She loves me. But you know,
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: it's just, um.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: That's difficult.
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: You look really good. You're not going to have a
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: hard time.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: Stop it. All right. Ask your questions.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: Let's get into true crimes. Next target, Ruby Frank. Were
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: you following this story? It was the mom fluencer who
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: came to fame as a Mormon mother. She had something
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: called eight passengers. Now she has been arrested for multiple
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: counts of child abuse. One of her kids climbed out
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: a window, went to the neighbor's house and was covered
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: in dirt and hadn't eaten for months or whatever. um
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: really disgusting story and she had 2.5 million followers on
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: youtube oh my god come out with a documentary about
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: her she's clearly been um you know by the court
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: of public opinion she looks pretty guilty and.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: She seems awful i mean do you know anything about this.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: Story honestly i do not but i know other stories
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: like this and it really gets me mad that you
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: can be a despicable person And then the networks will
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: pick up on it and give you a show. And
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: then look, these are producers just sitting around waiting for
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: content to come at them. So when a story like
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: that comes by, they go, oh, I could sell this story.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: I could pitch this story in a minute. And all
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: they wait, look, yeah, I'm sorry. I'm going to get
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: down to what I always say. like four you need
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: four minutes you need four good minutes in life okay
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: if you're pitching a story to a network you got
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: to give them four good minutes so they don't turn
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: their face away and they're like hanging on everyone four
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: minutes anybody can pitch that story about ruby frank for
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: four minutes and the network will go yeah this is
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: great we got to make this fucking show we got
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: to make this movie we're going to make this series
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: it's four minutes rich okay that's what the the uh
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: What do you call them? The hyenas do out there.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: They wait for horrible stories like this one, and then
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: they pitch it and make money off of it. I
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: don't really like people like that. I don't like it.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: I think that you've got to think about the kids
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: and the shit she put children through. Why would this
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: woman get a show? It's a... I just, I don't
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: like the way the world is now with entertainment and stuff.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: I don't think anybody needs to always have a show
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: or a series because they did some bad shit.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's true. Incidentally, what are you watching?
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: I've had a lot of people on my show right
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: now from Netflix, from Love is Blind.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: Do you watch shows like that?
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: No, I know about that show. I haven't watched it.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: I watched it once. I didn't dig it. That's the
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: one everybody's naked? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, everybody's naked
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: and no one looks good. So I looked at it
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: one time and I said, I'm done. I can't watch
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: this show. I'd rather, you know, no, no good. When
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: I was a kid, I used to look at motel
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: rooms with my buddy and we'd see people having sex.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: That was sexy. Seeing fat people naked? No, I don't
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: want that.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: So what are you watching that you like?
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: I watch, I love Yellowstone. You know what? Honestly, I'm
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: going to be frank. I look at my phone a lot.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: I'm on my phone a lot more than I should be.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: And that's part of the problem. I'm always looking at
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: my phone. What's on YouTube? What's on Instagram? And you
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: forget that there's books out there to read. And there's
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: TV shows out there. And you have a great story
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: to tell. You have a book at least or two
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: inside you. Doesn't it suck that people aren't reading books
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: as much as they should?
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is interesting.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: And the books that do come out, they're being, you know,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: for two weeks, like you said beforehand, everybody's giving you
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: the inside scoop, so you don't even need to read it.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: And Rachel, all you need to do is have, you know, 100, 200, 300,000 followers,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: and the publishing house will give you a deal. Whereas
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: a guy like me, who's been, who's proven himself for years,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: but it's not really an Instagram guy. I don't really,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: I don't try to make it a big following. They'll
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: look at you and go, well, you know, we really
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: don't see how we're going to sell this book.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: It's so funny that you say that.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: It's so funny that you say that because I don't
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: care about my Instagram. I post, you know, things to
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: promote my podcast. But I don't put a lot of
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: stuff about me.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: Very, very little. I really, it gives me agita to
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: have to do that, right?
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: And the thing is, is that I have a book
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: that's being that's out for, you know, proposal is being
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: pitched to publishers. And I just had a call with
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: my agent who is a very famous agent. And he's like,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: we're having a little bit of a hard time because
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: you're not talking enough about this or we don't know
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: how they're going to sell this. I'm like, are you kidding?
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: I'm interviewing people on my show that. are hardly interesting
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: and they're talking about one topic and here I have
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: 10 topics to cover and I've been through it and
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: you're having a hard time selling this this seems a
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: little odd.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: To me I know this is why I have a
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: third book in me it's fucking written in my head
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: all my LA stories I just told you a few
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: I have hundreds of those. And I'm like, well, who's
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: going to buy it? And I got to write a
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: 15-page proposal to some schmuck who's going to try to
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: sell it?
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: My last book- Who's also 25 and doesn't get anything
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: you're talking about.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, no. Yeah. No, listen. My last editor was from Brown.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: She went to Brown, right? And we had lunch. She
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: got tanked at lunch. I was like, oh, this is
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: fucking weird. She's getting tanked at lunch. But, you know,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: she had great credentials. She was Simon & Schuster. And,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: you know, we parted. I sent her the book proposal.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: She loved it. A whole year before that, every publisher
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: said no. And this one was away on vacation because
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: her mother died and saw the proposal and said, I
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: love this book. So thank God for her. But I said,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: I don't think you're going to be around much longer
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: in this publishing company, are you? No, I'm doing Derek
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: Jeter's book and then your book. And then she just split.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: She left. And I couldn't get my book back. I
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: couldn't get back. It was like I was a hostage.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: I'm like, give me my book. It finally got published.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: But people are fucking crazy out there. Young girls, young
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: guys who, I don't know what's in their head. I
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: don't know what. They're just not like we were growing up.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: They're very different. Right.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: Well, it only takes one, right? It only takes one publisher.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: So that's what happened with, I keep reminding myself about
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: Harry Potter. I think they said she was turned down
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: 40 times.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: Before somebody chose to give her a chance. So I
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: know I have a bestseller.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: Oh, no, of course you do, Rachel. But not only that.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: I wrote the screenplay for my book, and people are like,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: when's it going to get made? I go, it takes
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: a long time for people to raise funds. I'm not
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: making a Marvel movie. It's my life. It's a little
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: small movie. But things take, Forrest Gump took 13 years.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: A Field of Their Own took 12 years. The greatest
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: movies we've ever known, people said, this is horrible. I
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: don't want to look at this shit. And then they
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: end up getting made and they're beautiful. So of course
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: you have something in you that's going to be great,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: but you got to find the right motherfucker who says, yeah,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: she's right. Right now there's too many assholes out there. Right.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: That's right. All right.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: So just to wrap this up, is there anything you
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: see on the horizon that we should be looking at
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: or kind of investigating ourselves that stands out to you?
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: Maybe my suicide? Because my girlfriend left me? No, I
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: don't know. What's on the horizon in Hollywood? Well, I
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: think that there's a lot of negativity, a lot of
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: bad people at the helm now in Hollywood. I don't
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: think you're going to see the type of movies and
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: shows you want to see. I think what's going to
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: happen late, and I love movies and TV shows and documentaries,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: but I think right now, if I can pick one topic,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: there are very negative people who aren't really as smart
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: as they should be at the helm. So you're going
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: to see some movies and TV shows and series that
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: are about inclusivity and all that bullshit we talk about
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: every day that I can't stand, you know, inclusivity and
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: I can't stand gender. That's going to take over us
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: for the next five years. And hopefully in 2028, 2029,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: we'll get out of it and start making good things
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: again with people that are really talented and not just
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: trying to check boxes, gender inclusivity. It's just diversity. I
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: can't stand it. I can't stand it.
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  Speaker 1: It should be about what's interesting and who's talented as
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: opposed to checking boxes.
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  Speaker 3: And who's talented. Yeah. And who's talented. Yeah. They're the
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: right person for the job, not the black person or
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: the gay person, the right person. Yeah. It's just simple.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: And if they happen to be black or gay, great.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: But if not.
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  Speaker 3: I don't care. I don't care if you're gay or black.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: I don't care. Just be right.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: Right. Exactly. I do understand that. Um, okay. So AJ Benza,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: you are always so much fun to have.
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  Speaker 3: We're out of time.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: We're going to have you back hopefully in six weeks
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: or so to talk to us about all the new
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: things that are going on in the world.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: Because hopefully there'll be all new things happening.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: But I wish you the best.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: You better stay safe until then. Don't go nuts about
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: the girlfriend.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: I'll call you if things get bad, but I think
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: I'll be okay.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: I'm always here. You have to use my number as
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: a get out of jail.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: All right, Rich. Thank you, sweetheart. Talk to you later. Okay, honey.
• 1:09:31
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• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: Alison, are you still there?
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 4: for it?
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 5: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with. They have
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 6: It's Dunaidial.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: Where?
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  Speaker 6: Dunaidial. There's an accent on the E.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: Do you mean.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 6: Yes, I got it on Dundiel Cars.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: Lift? Please.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: You going past Kimmage? Oh, Kimmage.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 6: Done deal cars.
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  Speaker 7: You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.