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174: I Love You Disappointment · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: And you know how sometimes when you reflexively say something
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  Speaker 1: is you get off the phone that you totally didn't
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  Speaker 1: mean to say at all?
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  Speaker 2: We're getting off the phone and he's like, all right,
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  Speaker 2: I love you, bye.
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  Speaker 3: That's cute.
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  Speaker 2: And I told him I loved him too because I
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  Speaker 2: didn't know what else to do.
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  Speaker 4: It's true.
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  Speaker 3: That's where all my love comes from. It's just getting
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  Speaker 3: people to reflexively say, that's how I married my wife.
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  Speaker 4: I do.
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  Speaker 5: Too late, you said it.
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  Speaker 6: Too late, it's out there.
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  Speaker 4: Too late.
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  Speaker 7: This contract is binding.
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  Speaker 5: Got witnesses? I take that back.
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  Speaker 4: Too late.
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  Speaker 1: See ya.
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  Speaker 2: We're in love.
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  Speaker 10: It's showtime, folks.
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  Speaker 9: Enjoy the show.
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  Speaker 11: Our nuclear reactor pumping out 1 million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 11: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 7: I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 6: I'm Beau.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Fred.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Lucy.
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  Speaker 7: I'm Creech.
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  Speaker 5: I'm Ben.
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  Speaker 4: All right, and we've added another member here who's sort
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  Speaker 4: of been, but to not confuse anyone, he's going with
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  Speaker 4: his alternate title. Is that how you want to bill it?
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  Speaker 6: Sure.
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  Speaker 7: Alternate title sounds good. Last name, also appropriate.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, well, now you've blown it. Now they know it.
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  Speaker 4: Now they're all going to track you down.
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  Speaker 11: What?
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  Speaker 4: Ah, so yes, it is time for another session of
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  Speaker 4: The Caffeinated Movie Geek.
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  Speaker 5: Cappuccino on my butt.
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  Speaker 9: I still drink coffee.
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  Speaker 2: The last fucking thing you need is another cup of coffee.
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  Speaker 3: It's time for The Caffeinated Movie Geek.
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  Speaker 4: We are coming to you live via digital recording from
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  Speaker 4: Green Room Coffee and Espresso Bar, where we will get together,
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  Speaker 4: drink coffee, and talk movies, even the ones that thoroughly
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  Speaker 4: disappointed us. So once again, it's time to figure out
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  Speaker 4: what flavor. And Alan is here, but he's hiding over there.
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  Speaker 4: Have we found him yet?
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  Speaker 3: I love you.
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  Speaker 4: Alan, what kind of coffee are we drinking?
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  Speaker 9: Congo.
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  Speaker 4: Congo.
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  Speaker 12: There you go.
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  Speaker 9: I love that movie. You know, it's best if you
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  Speaker 9: actually watch it on VHS and pan and scan.
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  Speaker 4: We should.
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  Speaker 5: Floating rocks.
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  Speaker 4: I've been wanting to get that one in for a
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  Speaker 4: year now. So it's going on the list. Maybe it's
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  Speaker 4: a threat at this point, but it's going on the list.
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  Speaker 9: We only can watch it on VHS. That's the deal.
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  Speaker 4: As long as you track down that many VHS copies.
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  Speaker 9: I'll make sure the tracking is horrible.
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  Speaker 5: I actually own it on VHS.
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  Speaker 9: Or Laserdisc.
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  Speaker 4: That's even better.
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  Speaker 6: Not that.
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  Speaker 4: I'm surprised I don't have it on Laserdisc. I have
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  Speaker 4: several other items. I'm pretty proud of my Super Mario
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  Speaker 4: Brothers on Laserdisc. Anyway.
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  Speaker 9: I only own Orion films on Laserdisc. That's it.
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  Speaker 1: I had an ex-boyfriend that had this really impressive Laserdisc collection,
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  Speaker 1: which made sense at that moment in time.
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  Speaker 2: It was like, oh my gosh, this is new technology.
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  Speaker 2: You're amazing.
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  Speaker 1: And afterward, I thought, oh my gosh, that poor guy.
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  Speaker 1: I'm literally the only girl that that got to work on.
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  Speaker 2: There was that one moment in time, and I was it.
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  Speaker 3: It's funny how media has something to do with relationships.
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  Speaker 3: When I was in college, whenever a couple broke up,
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  Speaker 3: it was all about the record collection. it all came
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  Speaker 3: down to vinyl and i don't think digital media has
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  Speaker 3: quite the same attachment nobody felt that way about cds
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  Speaker 3: they're cold i think it was because vinyl you know
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  Speaker 3: it scratches it's it's a delicate item yeah it has
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  Speaker 3: like an emotional attachment.
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  Speaker 9: It's got character yes that's why i like 35 versus
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  Speaker 9: digital too and Nobody really understands that. They're like, this
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  Speaker 9: print's dirty. I'm like, no, it's love.
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  Speaker 3: It is.
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  Speaker 7: It's like love.
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  Speaker 4: It is.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: My wife, if I got her, if I went home
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  Speaker 3: tonight and started talking about her old boyfriend, it wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: be five minutes and she'd go, I know I had
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  Speaker 3: a Zappa record.
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  Speaker 9: That bastard.
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  Speaker 3: And the thugs, what happened to that?
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  Speaker 5: I mean.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, see, I never found that girl. I never did
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  Speaker 4: find the girl to use my laser disc line on. Although,
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  Speaker 4: I did at one point get a girl to come
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  Speaker 4: back to my house saying, do you want to see
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  Speaker 4: my probe droid?
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  Speaker 9: It worked, mind you.
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  Speaker 5: She was very cool.
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  Speaker 9: That's like a fishing story. That's the one to get away.
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  Speaker 9: I'm not buying that at all.
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  Speaker 4: You don't think I have a probe droid? How big
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  Speaker 4: a dork do you think I am?
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  Speaker 9: I'm not denying that you have a probe droid. I'm
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  Speaker 9: denying the fact that that worked on a girl is
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  Speaker 9: what I'm denying.
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  Speaker 4: No, sadly it did. Sadly it did for her.
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  Speaker 9: Really, more than anyone.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 4: So before we get fully into the topic, I thought,
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  Speaker 4: you know, this week, you know, for our sort of
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  Speaker 4: geek activity intro, you know, we're eventually going to be
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  Speaker 4: talking about, you know, the big disappointing movies. You know,
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  Speaker 4: we're coming into the summer season here where usually it's
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  Speaker 4: loaded with lots of big movies that have been built
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  Speaker 4: up for sometimes years and you get there and, you know,
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  Speaker 4: what you know, sometimes they don't quite live.
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  Speaker 5: Up to it.
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  Speaker 4: But before we got to that, this past weekend, we
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  Speaker 4: had probably one of the biggest movies of the year
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  Speaker 4: come out. So I thought if we wanted to discuss,
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  Speaker 4: I think all but two have seen it. So we're
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  Speaker 4: not going to spoil it. But yeah, we had the
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  Speaker 4: Avengers come out this past week. So I thought if
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  Speaker 4: anyone wants to give their overall thoughts on how it
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  Speaker 4: went for you.
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  Speaker 9: All right, I'll start it off. This is what everybody
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  Speaker 9: else is going to. For me, I thought it was fun.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, there was a lot of cool visuals. I mean, granted,
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  Speaker 9: the storyline was kind of a mess, but I could
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  Speaker 9: tell that Ralph Fiennes and Uma Thurman were having a
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  Speaker 9: lot of fun throughout most of the film. So for me,
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  Speaker 9: I at least dug it for that reason. That and
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  Speaker 9: Connery just seemed to be having a hell of a
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  Speaker 9: lot of fun, too.
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  Speaker 4: Did I mention the full title, which is Marvel's The Avengers?
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  Speaker 5: Or The Avengers Assemble.
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  Speaker 4: Only in certain countries.
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  Speaker 9: Oh, so they remade Avengers.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, it's an exact shot-for-shot remake with the Hulk involved.
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  Speaker 9: Oh, I like that. So the Hulk is in the
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  Speaker 9: big teddy bear costume.
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  Speaker 11: Yes.
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  Speaker 9: I thought that's awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Well, okay, my thoughts.
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  Speaker 4: I was actually pretty pleased with it. Like, I think
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  Speaker 4: last time we were here, we were discussing that none
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  Speaker 4: of us were really all that excited about it. Like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, I... I just hadn't put that much
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  Speaker 4: stock in it. I wasn't that worried about it. I
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  Speaker 4: hadn't gone to see any of the other movies in
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  Speaker 4: the theater, actually. I'd caught most of them. I think
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  Speaker 4: I was missing one out of the bunch on DVD,
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  Speaker 4: but I really just hadn't gotten all hyped up for
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  Speaker 4: all the individual movies. The only reason I was kind
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  Speaker 4: of interested in the Avengers was because Joss got involved,
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  Speaker 4: and I was like, okay, now that kind of ups
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  Speaker 4: the ante. We need to see what we're dealing with, so...
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  Speaker 4: I think I just went in with pretty minimal expectations
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  Speaker 4: and I was, I was impressed with, he did it.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I think I was going in worried that
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  Speaker 4: you weren't going to be able to deliver what, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: it's so big a problem to deal with when you've
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  Speaker 4: got that many characters and that many people coming in
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  Speaker 4: from their own separate stories and having to be part
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  Speaker 4: of this other movie. That seems like a lot of
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  Speaker 4: problems and a lot of ego and a lot of,
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  Speaker 4: story structure issues, and I think he pulled it off.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's balanced relatively well. It doesn't focus on
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  Speaker 4: one person as much as we all kind of expected
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  Speaker 4: it to be Iron Man 3. He steals the show
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  Speaker 4: a lot of the time, but it doesn't focus on him.
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  Speaker 4: We spend a pretty much equal amount of time with
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  Speaker 4: all the people. I was kind of impressed with that,
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  Speaker 4: that he really did sort of balance out the script
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  Speaker 4: and give everybody their kind of moment to shine in it.
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  Speaker 5: As a balancing act, it was... Very well done, I thought.
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  Speaker 3: Although, I.
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  Speaker 5: Separate it from the first two Iron Man films because
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  Speaker 5: I see the Avengers as much as I liked it
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  Speaker 5: a lot. There were a lot of cool set pieces
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  Speaker 5: and really cool moments, but at the same time, it
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  Speaker 5: felt like pure fan service, whereas it didn't carry that
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  Speaker 5: same weight of story and character arc that say the
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  Speaker 5: iron man movies did as much for me like the
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  Speaker 5: story in the first iron the first iron yeah okay
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  Speaker 5: i'll give you that well that was.
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  Speaker 4: My second iron man had some issues i'm watching it
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  Speaker 4: going well this almost makes up for totally ruining the
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  Speaker 4: second iron man movie because that's all it was was
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  Speaker 4: set up for this movie basically so i was like
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  Speaker 4: it was kind of worth sitting through iron man to
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  Speaker 4: get to this it.
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  Speaker 5: Was much more uh i feel consistent than the second
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  Speaker 5: arm definitely definitely.
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  Speaker 13: I was worried about so many aspects of it. The
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  Speaker 13: fact that you've only got one villain or the fact
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  Speaker 13: that you've got six more or less protagonists and how
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  Speaker 13: are we going to get to each of them?
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  Speaker 7: So there was no main character.
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  Speaker 13: I even felt for a minute that, you know, shockingly,
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  Speaker 13: it was Scarlett Johansson was kind of the main character for,
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  Speaker 13: you know, a while.
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  Speaker 7: But no, I loved it.
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  Speaker 13: I thought the first third or so could have been
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  Speaker 13: a little shorter, but the second two thirds just blew
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  Speaker 13: me away in terms of the... action the wit you know.
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  Speaker 4: That was the other thing yeah i thought it held
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  Speaker 4: up okay time wise i mean it's not overly long
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  Speaker 4: and i think i don't know how you could take
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  Speaker 4: much out of that without sacrificing because it does kind
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  Speaker 4: of give everybody their little chance to build and assembling
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  Speaker 4: the team so you almost need a good amount of
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  Speaker 4: setup to be able to get all that together for
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  Speaker 4: the big finale so but at.
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  Speaker 9: The same time it's not just overall an origin story
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  Speaker 9: too because that's been taken care of in all these
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  Speaker 9: other films And that was something that's become like this
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  Speaker 9: annoying trend ever since. I mean, it worked for Spider-Man,
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  Speaker 9: it worked for X-Men, but then because those films worked,
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  Speaker 9: you know, studios want to go with the formula. And
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  Speaker 9: so everything has to be an origin story. So by
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  Speaker 9: the time I got to Iron Man, I was starting
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  Speaker 9: to get bored of the whole, you know, let's do
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  Speaker 9: an origin story format. Same with Captain America.
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  Speaker 4: Iron Man was okay just because I think so many
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  Speaker 4: people didn't know anything about it. Like he was such
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  Speaker 4: a lesser superhero for most people, for the mainstream people that,
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  Speaker 4: You almost did need to tell some form of story.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, with them rebooting Spider-Man and doing it again,
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  Speaker 4: I was like, really? We need to know how Spider-Man
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  Speaker 4: becomes Spider-Man?
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  Speaker 9: The other thing, too, that's bothering me about this new
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  Speaker 9: Spider-Man coming out, it's the other trend that's become big
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  Speaker 9: ever since Batman Begins came out, and that is you
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  Speaker 9: have to make these superhero movies. darker in tone and
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  Speaker 9: more bleak because that was in iron man to an
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  Speaker 9: extent not as bad as it's been in some others
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  Speaker 9: especially like you watch this new spider-man trailer it's just
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  Speaker 9: like this really dark universe i'm like i like the
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  Speaker 9: raimi films because they were light they were fun and
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  Speaker 9: you go and you read the original spider-man comics they're
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  Speaker 9: filled with all these you know stupid puns and you
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  Speaker 9: know just sheer goofiness and i thought it worked and
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  Speaker 9: that's what i liked about the avengers that it went
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  Speaker 9: back to just having fun yeah Versus just trying to,
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  Speaker 9: you know, build a bunch of pathos into a superhero film.
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  Speaker 4: The other thing I was going to say is it,
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  Speaker 4: it really like surprisingly was funny. Like not just like
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  Speaker 4: kind of wisecracking, like, I got more legitimate laughs out
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  Speaker 4: of the Avengers than probably any comedy I've seen in
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  Speaker 4: the last couple years.
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  Speaker 3: Even a lot of.
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  Speaker 5: Action scenes were funny.
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  Speaker 4: And they were made to be that way, not laughably
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  Speaker 4: done wrong. Like, it was, they inserted little jokes here
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  Speaker 4: and there, and like, he knew, again, Joss being kind
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  Speaker 4: of fucking impressive with the way he sets things up.
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  Speaker 4: It's like he, he would insert things in there and
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  Speaker 4: be like, in about 10 minutes, we're going to come
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  Speaker 4: back to that. Or sometimes in about a half an hour,
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  Speaker 4: we're going to come back to that.
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  Speaker 9: So the one thing that actually, without giving the spoiler away.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: Um, the, I mean, so many movies nowadays have, um.
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  Speaker 4: The little PS, um, Especially in that series.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah. And out of all of them that I've seen
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  Speaker 9: on film, because, you know, speaking from a theater point
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  Speaker 9: of view, they're very infuriating after a while because you're like,
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  Speaker 9: get out of the damn theater so I can clean it.
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  Speaker 4: That's usually me hanging around keeping you from sleeping.
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  Speaker 9: That's one where I don't mind watching it because... That
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  Speaker 9: has to be the funniest stinger I've ever seen on
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  Speaker 9: a film.
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  Speaker 4: I think I kind of hurt myself laughing.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, it's just... I'm not going to give
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  Speaker 9: it away what it is, but I mean, you must
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  Speaker 9: stick all the way to the end.
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  Speaker 4: It was me and like 20 people way at the
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  Speaker 4: back of the theater that we were just sort of
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  Speaker 4: giggling to ourselves in the dark. Oh, for a very
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  Speaker 4: extended period of time there.
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  Speaker 9: Because it was such a clever idea.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was really, really smart. Again, just... I know
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  Speaker 4: there's no shortage of people waiting to jump on the
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  Speaker 4: Joss bandwagon here. But, again, it was so much stacked
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  Speaker 4: against him on this one. I'm still impressed how well
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  Speaker 4: it came out and how well he was able to
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  Speaker 4: balance the dialogue. And, again, it's pretty smart dialogue. I
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  Speaker 4: heard somebody who was on this show for a while
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  Speaker 4: and we haven't seen in a while was not so
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  Speaker 4: thrilled with the Kevin in the Woods dialogue and was
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  Speaker 4: let down because it was Joss-related dialogue. And it didn't
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  Speaker 4: live up to his old standards.
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  Speaker 9: And see, again, it goes, there's like some, ever since,
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  Speaker 9: I'd say, Serenity and Firefly, there's almost become like this diehard,
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  Speaker 9: I mean, they call themselves the browncoats, at least when
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  Speaker 9: it comes to Firefly, but like the hardcore Joss Whedon fans,
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  Speaker 9: and it's like, I like stuff, it's fun, but, you know,
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  Speaker 9: I just don't think it's the end-all, be-all, and I
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  Speaker 9: feel like J.J. Abrams is another one that has almost
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  Speaker 9: like this weird cult following behind his stuff, too. It's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 9: he does some good stuff, but, I mean, it's just,
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  Speaker 9: It's not as if it's going to be just a
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  Speaker 9: touch of gold and that is it. But Cabin in
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  Speaker 9: the Woods, that I thought was a hell of a
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  Speaker 9: lot of fun. That's another one where it's definitely going
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  Speaker 9: to get completely overshadowed by Avengers now, but it's totally
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  Speaker 9: worth catching while it can still be caught.
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  Speaker 13: Another thing that surprised me about the Avengers was that
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  Speaker 13: in spite of it being the culmination of What is,
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  Speaker 13: I guess, now five movies that preceded it?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 13: Two Iron Mans, Captain America, Thor, and Hulk. It is
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  Speaker 13: the culmination of those things, but in no way does
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  Speaker 13: it seem like, A, the final chapter, or B, anywhere
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  Speaker 13: near the final chapter, or conclusive in any way. I
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  Speaker 13: can see us full well moving past this into additional
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  Speaker 13: sequels for each of the characters.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: That they're each going to go do their own things
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  Speaker 7: and that they're.
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  Speaker 13: Going to live by that sort of the creed that
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  Speaker 13: Nick Fury set up where.
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  Speaker 7: You know, when we need them, we'll call on them.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 13: And that's just how it's going to work. And it's
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  Speaker 13: something that seems sustainable where we could continue seeing great
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  Speaker 13: superhero movies for the next, you know, 10 years.
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  Speaker 4: You could keep– well– They're pushing it with Iron Man. Well,
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  Speaker 4: in theory, too.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, that should work because, I mean, it worked
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  Speaker 9: for the comic books.
• 15:49
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 15:49
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: It's like a comic book.
• 15:51
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: Like I said, there's no end to it. I mean,
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: they just, it's like.
• 15:54
  Speaker 9: Because all the comic books have their own separate runs, too.
• 15:56
  Speaker 13: That's the model they're using. And it's Marvel Studios now.
• 15:59
  Speaker 13: Before Marvel Studios formed with Iron Man, like, it didn't matter. Like,
• 16:04
  Speaker 13: they could just license out the books to whoever wanted
• 16:06
  Speaker 13: to do the movies. But now they are doing.
• 16:08
  Speaker 7: And so now I think that's changed it.
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: They seem way more invested in it because they literally are.
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: And yeah, I think that's helped a lot because they
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: don't feel like they're just pawning it off to somebody else.
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: And yeah, they're, they're sort of taking a little responsibility
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: and giving it to talented people.
• 16:24
  Speaker 13: And that's, that's the other thing is that there's a
• 16:26
  Speaker 13: wealth of talent and you can go and find a
• 16:28
  Speaker 13: new director. Uh, I was talking to someone else the
• 16:31
  Speaker 13: other day about the mission impossible series, which has had
• 16:34
  Speaker 13: a consistent wealth of talent associated with it.
• 16:37
  Speaker 9: I thought that one was what I would almost liken
• 16:39
  Speaker 9: to the original four Alien films, where you have a
• 16:42
  Speaker 9: very prominent director attached to each one, and each one
• 16:45
  Speaker 9: is different.
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: It's the same idea. Even though the last two, you know.
• 16:49
  Speaker 7: If the studio trusts the director.
• 16:51
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: Well, they're kind of like the opposite of Mission Impossible. Like,
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: it took it two movies before they really started to
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: come into their own on Mission Impossible. But, like, Alien's
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: the reverse.
• 16:59
  Speaker 9: It was the opposite.
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 17:01
  Speaker 9: I mean, I still have a soft spot for Alien
• 17:03
  Speaker 9: Resurrection because there's a lot of cool ideas there. I
• 17:06
  Speaker 9: think that.
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: One you just wrote it.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: I think three looks great.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Like, it's got story problems.
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: But it's great.
• 17:13
  Speaker 7: Especially if you watch the director's cast.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: Cuts.
• 17:16
  Speaker 13: The studio needed to restrict it, and that's fine. You know, studios,
• 17:19
  Speaker 13: I have no beef with them, really, but they were
• 17:22
  Speaker 13: worried about it, and so you cut it down, you
• 17:24
  Speaker 13: put it out, hope it does well, and it didn't.
• 17:26
  Speaker 7: Almost gets lost.
• 17:28
  Speaker 9: I like Alien 3. It's just, with it, though, it's like,
• 17:30
  Speaker 9: after Charles Dance's character dies, I'm like, okay, now it
• 17:33
  Speaker 9: slows down a bit.
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a mistake, but it definitely, for me,
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: was the last truly scary Alien film. It had some, like,
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: I mean, some of the scenes in that, like, for me,
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: were just as scary, if not scarier, than the first
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: and the second.
• 17:49
  Speaker 9: I was going to say, Resurrection didn't really have anything
• 17:52
  Speaker 9: scary in it, but it was.
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: It's creative.
• 17:54
  Speaker 9: I was getting ready to say it's... Creepy and just
• 17:57
  Speaker 9: kind of, it's a disgusting sort of scare.
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I like the casting.
• 18:01
  Speaker 9: It's so visceral.
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: The casting was really inspired.
• 18:04
  Speaker 11: Oh, yeah.
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: I thought Ron Perlman, I can't remember the French actor
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: who was in Amelie.
• 18:07
  Speaker 9: Dominique Pignon.
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, him. And the guy with the raspy voice who
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: was the villain in The Crow. He's like, eh, you know.
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: I don't know his name. Yeah, he's awesome.
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: He is awesome.
• 18:17
  Speaker 13: You've also got it coming straight out of the sort
• 18:20
  Speaker 13: of Jeunet subterranean nightmares.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 18:23
  Speaker 9: Don't protest on it.
• 18:24
  Speaker 7: She said he lost children.
• 18:25
  Speaker 9: I mean, it definitely has that look. And Dan Hedaya
• 18:27
  Speaker 9: is the general beginning I love, too.
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah. He's a great character.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: They can put him in every movie.
• 18:32
  Speaker 9: Oh, no, sure.
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: Wayne's World.
• 18:34
  Speaker 9: I mean, I was cracking up the first time I
• 18:35
  Speaker 9: saw it. He's doing that whole breath thing.
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: And it won't work.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: And it won't work.
• 18:40
  Speaker 9: And he just keeps getting pissed off, and he keeps
• 18:41
  Speaker 9: breathing heavier and heavier into it until it finally recognizes him.
• 18:44
  Speaker 9: And I like the fact that, you know, in this...
• 18:47
  Speaker 9: That's the thing I like about movies to where they're
• 18:49
  Speaker 9: set in the future to where stuff doesn't always necessarily work.
• 18:51
  Speaker 9: That's what I always liked about the original Star Wars
• 18:53
  Speaker 9: trilogy that was lost in the prequels.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 18:56
  Speaker 9: Little Millennium Falcon, it was kind of a piece of
• 18:58
  Speaker 9: shit because it didn't run half the time.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: He's a guy fixing up his car.
• 19:01
  Speaker 8: Exactly.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: It's a junker, but sometimes he gets it to run
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: really good.
• 19:05
  Speaker 9: That was always the appeal of Han anyway. He was,
• 19:07
  Speaker 9: you know, like when you were a kid, he was
• 19:08
  Speaker 9: like that older dude who had the cool car that
• 19:10
  Speaker 9: you knew on your street. You know, all these other
• 19:13
  Speaker 9: futuristic movies where they try to make everything squeaky clean.
• 19:15
  Speaker 9: It's like, The future's still going to have the same
• 19:19
  Speaker 9: problems you have nowadays. That is, stuff does not always work.
• 19:22
  Speaker 9: In fact, the newer it is, usually the less reliable
• 19:24
  Speaker 9: it is.
• 19:25
  Speaker 10: Probably.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: The more complicated we make it, the more it breaks.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: I'm sure that will continue into the next couple of
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: thousand years. So, yeah. The Avengers, the only other thing
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: I was going to say, as far as the villains,
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: I mean, our main villain's pretty good. It's funny how
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: that other stuff, I'm like, I could care less about that.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: They're so unimportant, really, by the end. You just needed
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: a thing. You needed some sort of foe for them
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: to take on. By the end, I'm just like, eh, whatever.
• 19:56
  Speaker 9: I don't care.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: And then the more I sat there, this was the
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: funniest thing to me. I don't know that anyone else
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: will agree. It will probably piss people off. But I
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: was like, you know, the plot of this movie overall,
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: minus the superheroes, but the basic plot, Kind of like
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: Howard the Duck. I'm just saying.
• 20:13
  Speaker 9: I actually thought Masters of the Universe.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: Actually, the very.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: Beginning when he was talking to him, I was like,
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: it does kind of feel... Yeah, and then the wormhole
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: into outer space and aliens waiting to come through. Yeah,
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: I was just like.
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: Although I did miss the part in the movie where,
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: you know, there's a universe where everyone was a duck
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: and there's a series of commercials.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: They had that at the very beginning. You didn't see
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: that part?
• 20:36
  Speaker 11: Okay.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: Well, again, it's a Marvel property. I mean, I guess
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: if you're going to borrow from something, you know.
• 20:43
  Speaker 9: God, Howard, I remember that was something I had fond
• 20:45
  Speaker 9: memories of as a kid, and it came out on DVD.
• 20:46
  Speaker 9: I was like, awesome, and I watched it, and.
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: I was like, what?
• 20:51
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: Did George Lucas direct that? No.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: He's executive producer.
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: So we can't hold that against him as much.
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: No.
• 20:58
  Speaker 9: Can we please cut back to Jeffrey Jones? Okay, it's
• 21:01
  Speaker 9: watchful now. Oh, no, it's away again.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: So, yeah, I think we can leave it at that
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: for if we need to revisit and do a full-on
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: Avengers somewhere down the line. But I don't think it'll
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: happen anytime soon, so I thought we'd at least throw
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: out the response since it hit this past week.
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: But I think we can safely assume that it's going
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: to be its own separate franchise.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: I think unless something goes horribly wrong within the studio system, yeah,
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: I can't imagine them. Not wanting to, two years out
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: or so, try to follow.
• 21:31
  Speaker 9: Up with something else. And hopefully in the next one
• 21:32
  Speaker 9: they'll be able to work in a Diana Rigg cameo.
• 21:34
  Speaker 9: Because I really think that you should pay homage to
• 21:37
  Speaker 9: the original series. If you're going to do Avengers films.
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: Here on out.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: Fuck that. Bring back Emma Thurman and Ray Fiennes. That's all.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 21:48
  Speaker 9: See, I'm glad somebody's here with me on this. I
• 21:52
  Speaker 9: was really tempted to see if we could just completely
• 21:54
  Speaker 9: undermine you before we even started this. All of us
• 21:56
  Speaker 9: just talk about the 98 Avengers.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: I'm fine with that. I don't remember enough.
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: Jerome Chelsick or something?
• 22:02
  Speaker 9: I can't remember. I was actually looking it up recently. Chelsick?
• 22:05
  Speaker 9: That screenwriter, that's the only screenplay he's ever written in
• 22:09
  Speaker 9: his life. He's had no work before, and he's had
• 22:12
  Speaker 9: no work since.
• 22:13
  Speaker 13: I was going to jump in, but I haven't actually
• 22:15
  Speaker 13: seen it. I do know some of the names attached
• 22:17
  Speaker 13: to it.
• 22:17
  Speaker 9: I just couldn't... I remember vividly seeing the original The
• 22:22
  Speaker 9: Avengers at Showcase Louisville in one of the theaters to
• 22:25
  Speaker 9: where the ceiling had started to collapse in. So it's
• 22:28
  Speaker 9: like dripping. And I was catching the flu at the time.
• 22:31
  Speaker 9: So I was like feverish. And I was in this
• 22:33
  Speaker 9: dank theater by myself. And so it was almost like
• 22:37
  Speaker 9: some strange fever dream. I kind of doubt that I
• 22:40
  Speaker 9: even saw the film. But I know I did.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: I think I saw a film about you seeing the.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Film.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: That's ringing a bell for me. That sounds familiar.
• 22:48
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: It's a strange indie movie.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:52
  Speaker 9: There's a man. He's in trouble. He's in a theater.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: She's feeling a little under the weather.
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: So with that, I think we should take a break
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: and come back with our full-on discussion.
• 23:03
  Speaker 13: Our world's about to break.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: Forbidden and attacked.
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: Lost when we wake. With no way to go back.
• 23:17
  Speaker 15: On my own but now i'm.
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: Not alone we.
• 23:29
  Speaker 15: Never come undone.
• 23:52
  Speaker 11: Popcorn freshly popped and buttered. Look good? Sure, it looks
• 23:57
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• 24:00
  Speaker 9: The weather is no longer in God's hands, but in mine.
• 24:04
  Speaker 10: To stop a madman.
• 24:06
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• 24:09
  Speaker 9: of destruction.
• 24:10
  Speaker 16: Hundreds of millions will die, they'll drown, burn.
• 24:17
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• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Did you have in mind nothing too messy i.
• 24:22
  Speaker 9: Hope and a hero.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: John steve in a hat you'll pay for that this
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: summer you'd like.
• 24:33
  Speaker 16: Us to work as a team you mean i have
• 24:34
  Speaker 16: to trust you.
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: Absolutely. Good.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: When evil reigns.
• 24:40
  Speaker 9: Rain or shine.
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: All is right.
• 24:42
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  Speaker 10: Insects.
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  Speaker 4: Bigger every year.
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• 24:48
  Speaker 7: You're not someone who plays by the.
• 24:49
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• 24:50
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• 24:52
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• 24:58
  Speaker 9: Let our rebels begin.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Three fires.
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: Uma Thurman.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: Don't wait for me.
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: And Sean Connery.
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: Time to die.
• 25:21
  Speaker 13: And this is merely the beginning.
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: Gee.
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: The Avengers.
• 25:29
  Speaker 9: I'm glad to hear they're together at last.
• 25:37
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  Speaker 4: All of life's riddles are.
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: Answered in the movies.
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  Speaker 3: Now, on with the show.
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  Speaker 17: Our unsuitable friend gets the message on an ill wind
• 29:02
  Speaker 17: All your friends and your foes would rather die than have.
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  Speaker 6: To touch you.
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  Speaker 4: All right, we are back, and it is time for
• 29:31
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• 29:32
  Speaker 14: We're going to do the grind, y'all.
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: Got you where I want you.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: Once again in this segment, we discuss a specific topic
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: or question related to movies. We'd like them to come
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: from you, but once again, you're slacking. If you ever
• 29:51
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• 29:57
  Speaker 4: once again... This week's topic comes from Bo, and as
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: I said earlier, we're heading into the summer season. You've
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: got these big movies coming out, and what happens when
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: they don't live up to the hype? What happens when
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: you're sitting in the seats in the theater and you're
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: just kind of disappointed? So we're going to discuss disappointments.
• 30:17
  Speaker 11: You.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: Through this out there, did you have a specific jumping
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: off point, Beau, you wanted to go with?
• 30:23
  Speaker 9: No, but, I mean, as soon as the topic comes
• 30:26
  Speaker 9: to mind, suddenly I'm like, oh, yeah, I do remember
• 30:28
  Speaker 9: suggesting this. It was like 2.30 in the morning. Yeah,
• 30:31
  Speaker 9: it was the middle.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: Of the night and you were jogging.
• 30:34
  Speaker 9: But, no, I'm one where I've only walked out of
• 30:38
  Speaker 9: one film. that I can ever recall. The Bread My
• 30:42
  Speaker 9: Sweet is the name of it. But I've come very,
• 30:45
  Speaker 9: very close to walking out of a few films. And
• 30:47
  Speaker 9: one that I remember really liking the original and considered
• 30:50
  Speaker 9: several times walking out on the sequel was Men in
• 30:53
  Speaker 9: Black 2. That's a good choice. It comes to mind
• 30:57
  Speaker 9: because the third one is coming out. And I like
• 30:59
  Speaker 9: Barry Sonnefeld a lot. But I remember sitting there and
• 31:02
  Speaker 9: I was like, God, this is so damn painful. And
• 31:06
  Speaker 9: all I thought about looking at Tommy Lee Jones, I'm like,
• 31:09
  Speaker 9: What is wrong with him? He looks bored as shit
• 31:11
  Speaker 9: in this movie. He looks more bored than I am
• 31:13
  Speaker 9: right now.
• 31:14
  Speaker 11: He was.
• 31:15
  Speaker 9: And it just... I can't even remember the plot, but
• 31:17
  Speaker 9: I remember it was just the most insipid storyline.
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: I just remember being frightened by Laura Flynn Boyle and
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: her leather outfit.
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: I just.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: She's creepy now.
• 31:28
  Speaker 11: I'm sorry.
• 31:29
  Speaker 9: I mean, it's just so bad. I can't even remember
• 31:31
  Speaker 9: what I would want to vent about because I'd have
• 31:33
  Speaker 9: to go back and re-watch it. I'm not going to
• 31:34
  Speaker 9: do that. I don't even want to re-watch the trailer,
• 31:36
  Speaker 9: but I remember it was just... very vividly like being
• 31:39
  Speaker 9: excited about it and I was just like god this
• 31:42
  Speaker 9: is not working at all.
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: It really was bad like at least Wild Wild West
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: just had that it was fun because it was so
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: dumb like Men in Black 2 it didn't even like
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: it was just trying to be like yeah it was
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: just sad because it was trying to be a good movie.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: And you remember the first one and it was fun
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: it was trying.
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: To make Johnny Knoxville a legitimate actor and it was
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: trying to do a bunch of things and it just failed.
• 32:05
  Speaker 9: And It's like being at prom and suddenly seeing the
• 32:08
  Speaker 9: chaperones start dancing.
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: It's like, no.
• 32:11
  Speaker 9: I know you thought that would be funny and you'd
• 32:14
  Speaker 9: look cool, but no. No.
• 32:17
  Speaker 13: I hope that Insipid won't describe the third one. From
• 32:22
  Speaker 13: what I can tell about the plot, which actually is
• 32:24
  Speaker 13: absolutely nothing, that's what I have hope in, because I've
• 32:26
  Speaker 13: seen trailers, like three or four of them, and have
• 32:29
  Speaker 13: no idea what happens in the third movie. So I'm
• 32:32
  Speaker 13: hoping that that's a good sign.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think I've seen much of it at
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: this point.
• 32:36
  Speaker 7: There's time travel and Josh Brolin.
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: I just know the Josh Brolin thing, but I don't
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: know any of the story other than that.
• 32:42
  Speaker 13: He has to go back in time. Maybe they meet
• 32:46
  Speaker 13: the aliens for the first time.
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 32:48
  Speaker 9: I don't know.
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: I've done a lot of guesswork trying to figure it out.
• 32:50
  Speaker 9: You saying not watching trailers reminded me of one of
• 32:52
  Speaker 9: my biggest summer disappointments. I hadn't even thought of this
• 32:54
  Speaker 9: until now and I'm getting pissed off again because I
• 32:57
  Speaker 9: made great efforts. Every time a commercial would come on
• 33:00
  Speaker 9: on television, I would change the channel so I didn't
• 33:02
  Speaker 9: see it. Any time I was in the theater checking
• 33:05
  Speaker 9: temperature or whatever on a film, if it came on
• 33:06
  Speaker 9: the screen, I would leave. And that was King with
• 33:08
  Speaker 9: a Crystal Skull. I never watched a trailer. I never
• 33:11
  Speaker 9: looked at a press photo. I never read a synopsis.
• 33:14
  Speaker 9: I knew nothing about it going in. Because I didn't
• 33:17
  Speaker 9: want to get my hopes up. And I saw it.
• 33:19
  Speaker 9: And I remember sitting there. I was like, okay, okay.
• 33:21
  Speaker 9: Getting stoked. And then just like the CG gopher comes up.
• 33:25
  Speaker 9: I was like, okay, okay. Okay, no, no, no, no, no.
• 33:28
  Speaker 9: Get past that. Get past that. Get past that. It's
• 33:30
  Speaker 9: just something for the kids to laugh. And just every
• 33:33
  Speaker 9: time I would kind of get my hopes up, then
• 33:35
  Speaker 9: something would dash it. Get my hopes up and dash it.
• 33:37
  Speaker 9: And I was watching it with two other employees. And
• 33:42
  Speaker 9: it was just the three of us doing a text
• 33:43
  Speaker 9: screening a couple nights beforehand. And we were all excited.
• 33:47
  Speaker 9: And as soon as the lights came up, one of
• 33:51
  Speaker 9: my two friends just stood up. flipped off the screen,
• 33:55
  Speaker 9: just said, fuck, and walked out. And we thought that
• 33:58
  Speaker 9: we were going to go to the bar and like,
• 33:59
  Speaker 9: you know, he went home. He actually just left the theater,
• 34:02
  Speaker 9: went home without saying anything else to us.
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: Ever. We still haven't spoken.
• 34:07
  Speaker 9: And then just even when I like tried to call
• 34:09
  Speaker 9: to him, he's like, no, the goddamn four waterfalls and wedding.
• 34:12
  Speaker 9: I'm not talking about this shit. Ending with a wedding.
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: No, no.
• 34:16
  Speaker 9: And then say he would just hang up. It's like
• 34:18
  Speaker 9: it took a week to even talk to him.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Usually a film I can walk off. It's live theater
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: that will ruin your night. I mean, you'll try to
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: go out, go to dinner, but then you'll wind up
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: being bitchy the whole rest of the night.
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: You don't even have the good humor to make fun
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: of it. You have to go home and just stew
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: for a while. I don't know.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: No, I guess there are films that, like, yeah, really
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: piss you off that much. It's, yeah, I don't know.
• 34:46
  Speaker 9: Live theater, any time there's a college production of a
• 34:49
  Speaker 9: Shakespearean play, you know that's disaster.
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Oh, God, how many times have I seen Midsummer Night's Dream?
• 34:58
  Speaker 11: 47.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: And that Sarch play, No Exit, I don't know if
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: I've really seen it a dozen times or if it
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: just feels like it.
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: I think that's the point, actually.
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: Well, it's not a point I needed made over again.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: But I don't know. It's a great topic, but then
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: the more I think about it, the more I think,
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: That's all I ever talk about in movies, really, is disappointment,
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: like going back to the earliest memories of film. As
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: a kid, I was always disappointed in Huck Finn movies.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: One of the greatest disappointments of my life was seeing
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: half of a faithful adaptation of Frankenstein, and then the
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: next week a football game was on, and I couldn't
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: watch the rest of it.
• 35:48
  Speaker 9: I was like, fuck.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: And I was just ready to murder my family. I
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: was at that point where I was thinking about weaponry.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: Thanks very much.
• 36:00
  Speaker 13: Talking of walking out on movies, I don't think I've
• 36:03
  Speaker 13: done it but once. That one time wasn't... I don't
• 36:08
  Speaker 13: even know if it really counts. I can be particularly
• 36:10
  Speaker 13: enthusiastic about a lot of different stuff. So I only
• 36:15
  Speaker 13: have a couple in the disappointment category. But one that
• 36:17
  Speaker 13: I walked out on Louisville Gore Club was doing a
• 36:21
  Speaker 13: double feature screening at Seidenfaden's of Hobo with a Shotgun
• 36:26
  Speaker 13: and Rubber.
• 36:27
  Speaker 7: Now, Hobo was amazing.
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: Oh, fuck Rubber.
• 36:30
  Speaker 7: But fuck Rubber.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: See, really, I've heard a lot of fun. I've heard
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: a lot of good things about Rubber.
• 36:34
  Speaker 13: I could not still, like, I really, like, I never,
• 36:37
  Speaker 13: this was the first time I realized this. Thousands upon
• 36:41
  Speaker 13: thousands of film screenings. I had never walked out of
• 36:44
  Speaker 13: a film. And I knew this when I was watching Rubber.
• 36:46
  Speaker 13: And I knew that walking out would change everything.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: There's no turning back now.
• 36:51
  Speaker 13: I looked at the guy that I came with. We were,
• 36:54
  Speaker 13: you know, this was the first time that either film
• 36:57
  Speaker 13: was going to be screened in Louisville.
• 36:58
  Speaker 11: And so.
• 37:00
  Speaker 13: We were just like, we could not take anymore. We
• 37:03
  Speaker 13: had to leave. Uh, the beer was not doing it.
• 37:06
  Speaker 13: We just had to get out of there.
• 37:07
  Speaker 7: It was not worth it. We didn't understand what was
• 37:09
  Speaker 7: going on.
• 37:10
  Speaker 13: Uh, no, I mean, there've been folks who have come
• 37:12
  Speaker 13: into the video store and they like it and that's fine.
• 37:15
  Speaker 13: And I don't begrudge anyone their taste, but, um, but
• 37:19
  Speaker 13: dear God, I just couldn't deal with that.
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: I looked so cool.
• 37:23
  Speaker 9: See, I found it a lot of fun. It kind
• 37:25
  Speaker 9: of reminded me of like some of the, um, later
• 37:28
  Speaker 9: Louis Brunel stuff. Like, um, the discrete charm of the
• 37:31
  Speaker 9: bourgeoisie and stuff like that to where it's, except instead
• 37:34
  Speaker 9: of making fun of the rich, it's making fun of Hollywood. No,
• 37:38
  Speaker 9: it's making fun of Hollywood and audiences is the way
• 37:41
  Speaker 9: I took it. And I just found it fun. I mean,
• 37:43
  Speaker 9: I'm actually curious to see, um, he's got a new
• 37:45
  Speaker 9: film that's made, um, screened at Sundance called wrong. And, um,
• 37:52
  Speaker 9: I mean, I had a few friends who saw it
• 37:53
  Speaker 9: who actually were fans of Rubber, and they said it
• 37:55
  Speaker 9: was pretty much the same way, and they really dug it.
• 37:57
  Speaker 9: So I guess I would say if you didn't like Rubber,
• 37:59
  Speaker 9: you probably wouldn't like Wrong.
• 38:00
  Speaker 13: I have no intention of seeing it. But, you know,
• 38:03
  Speaker 13: if I can be convinced, I'll give it a chance.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: We walked out on a movie in California once, but
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: it was just like an audience full of stupid college kids.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Yes, you walked out on the audience.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, although the movie, I mean, you would have walked out.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: It was the story of O. And it's just like,
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: we're not going to sit here through this nonsense. But, yeah,
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: I don't remember any others that I've ever walked out on.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: I just tend to go blank after a while. You
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: said about the Twilight movies, you didn't want to be
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: one of those people that makes fun of them without
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: seeing them.
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: That's my thinking.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Well, I saw them, but I think I've got to
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: turn in my card because I don't even remember now.
• 38:44
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: I have no fucking idea what happened in those movies.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: You can then block out as much as need be.
• 38:51
  Speaker 13: I saw the second one, I think. I was hanging
• 38:55
  Speaker 13: out with a friend.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: You were lost then. You didn't get the important storyline
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: that was built in that first one. I saw them.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: I just don't know anymore.
• 39:04
  Speaker 9: You were so awestricken by Taylor Lautner's abs, you just
• 39:08
  Speaker 9: completely forgot.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: No, that was me.
• 39:09
  Speaker 13: The mullet thing he was rocking halfway through.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: I do remember things people have said about it. That's
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: all I have to hang on to.
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: Well, that's like half of the running series of this show.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: I remember somebody explaining to me how the werewolves got
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: their clothes back. I think we actually wore a fanny
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: pack in the book.
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: Oh, is this true?
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: They actually wear little fanny packs with clothes in them.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: And that's how that gets.
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 39:40
  Speaker 9: When they turn into a werewolf.
• 39:42
  Speaker 11: Sure.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: It's in the book.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: It's what I've been told.
• 39:47
  Speaker 11: Yes.
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: That's so awesome. Yeah.
• 39:49
  Speaker 13: You need to have friends who have read the books
• 39:51
  Speaker 13: because that was my situation, too, was I was like.
• 39:54
  Speaker 7: I don't get it.
• 39:55
  Speaker 13: I don't get what's going on, like logistically. And then
• 39:58
  Speaker 13: the friend that I was with was like, oh.
• 40:00
  Speaker 11: Oh, oh.
• 40:01
  Speaker 7: In the book, this is what... And I was like, oh!
• 40:02
  Speaker 11: Oh!
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was about to say, The Hunger Games.
• 40:05
  Speaker 13: Timur Lotnir says something like, I literally can't tell you,
• 40:08
  Speaker 13: and it's the only thing I remember from the movie.
• 40:10
  Speaker 7: I literally can't tell you. And it's like he's bound
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: by werewolf law.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah. He is. You don't want to piss off the
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: werewolf lawyers, man.
• 40:19
  Speaker 9: The book logic is the thing that pisses me off, because...
• 40:22
  Speaker 9: I sense a Warren Zevon. When it came to the
• 40:24
  Speaker 9: first three Harry Potter films, I really dug them. I mean,
• 40:28
  Speaker 9: I thought they were getting, you know, exponentially better with
• 40:30
  Speaker 9: each one by the time you got to Prisoner of
• 40:32
  Speaker 9: Azkaban I'm like this is a fucking great series and
• 40:34
  Speaker 9: then next thing you know Goblet was it the Goblet
• 40:37
  Speaker 9: of Fire was the next one I'm sitting there and
• 40:39
  Speaker 9: that was one I was like Jesus what the hell
• 40:42
  Speaker 9: is going.
• 40:42
  Speaker 7: On I was the right age for that and I
• 40:44
  Speaker 7: hated it.
• 40:45
  Speaker 9: And I was seeing it with my mom and my
• 40:47
  Speaker 9: brother who both read them and then after it was
• 40:49
  Speaker 9: over I was like boring as hell. They're like, well, no,
• 40:52
  Speaker 9: it was only like the first episode. You have to
• 40:54
  Speaker 9: read the book. Like, no, I hate that phrase. Do
• 40:57
  Speaker 9: not tell me I have to read the book.
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: That means you made the movie wrong. If you have
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: to follow instructions to get the movie.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: It's like a sleeping bag that comes with instructions. It
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: ought to work without information.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: I can't get inside this thing.
• 41:13
  Speaker 9: The X-Files movie that came out in 98, I remember
• 41:15
  Speaker 9: people were like, Well, no, you had to see all
• 41:20
  Speaker 9: the episodes leading up to the movie this season.
• 41:23
  Speaker 11: I'm like, no.
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: No, no, no.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: It has to be freestanding. I maintain the only way
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: to wind up the X-Files with a movie would be porn.
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: I told you that's out there.
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: The Triple X-Files is waiting for you.
• 41:37
  Speaker 7: Question, then.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: Went too far.
• 41:38
  Speaker 7: Does the Avengers hold up to the same standards?
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: Like you have to read.
• 41:42
  Speaker 7: Do you have to have seen the four or five films?
• 41:44
  Speaker 7: I mean, I've seen episodes.
• 41:46
  Speaker 9: Of the series, but I got kind of a feel
• 41:48
  Speaker 9: for the movie by the time it came out.
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: I feel like, yeah.
• 41:51
  Speaker 9: Because, I mean, you know, the whole Steed and Emma
• 41:54
  Speaker 9: Peel thing. Oh, wait. Am I still going? I'm sorry.
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: I don't think so, actually. I mean, because I missed
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: one of them at least. I was losing tracks midway in. No,
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: actually two. I didn't see the Hulk movie and I
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: didn't see Thor.
• 42:07
  Speaker 9: Same here.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: And I went in and even then I'm thinking if
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: I hadn't seen Iron Man 2, again, there was no
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: big loss. I mean, really, I think if you're just
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: familiar enough.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: With the characters.
• 42:16
  Speaker 9: I was a Marvel fan growing up, so it didn't
• 42:18
  Speaker 9: throw me off. I don't know how objective viewers.
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: I had enough comic book geeky knowledge from my years, too,
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: that I think I would have been fine. But if
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: you were a total person off the street, doesn't know
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: anything about comics, period. maybe you'd need a little backstory
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: but again i think he fleshes it out pretty good
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: that you're you're kind of covered even if you just
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: go in and like oh these are heroes you know
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: it's they're kind of you know archetypes anyway we we
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: should get it really he's a bad guy these are
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: good guys you know i don't think you should be
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: that lost in that.
• 42:47
  Speaker 9: But yeah the whole um having to see the stuff
• 42:51
  Speaker 9: like either before or after films or some other supplement,
• 42:54
  Speaker 9: it actually reminds me of a bar joke, if I
• 42:56
  Speaker 9: may be permitted. And I know this is the point
• 42:59
  Speaker 9: where you're going to be like, oh, remember when we
• 43:00
  Speaker 9: were talking about technology not working? You started hooking the mic.
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: Let me just write down what time it is so
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: I know when to take this out.
• 43:05
  Speaker 9: All right, thank you. But anyway, a man walks into
• 43:07
  Speaker 9: a bar, orders a beer. The bartender says, sure, walks
• 43:10
  Speaker 9: over to the corner, and the guy watches him as
• 43:12
  Speaker 9: he unzips his pants and pees into the glass. Walks over,
• 43:17
  Speaker 9: sits it on the counter. Guy looks at it, and
• 43:19
  Speaker 9: he's like, huh.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: That's a great joke i love that joke man.
• 43:28
  Speaker 9: Picks it up takes a sip and he's like my
• 43:32
  Speaker 9: god he did just piss in this glass but then
• 43:35
  Speaker 9: he thinks well i paid for it so i might
• 43:38
  Speaker 9: as well drink it and so he drinks it and
• 43:41
  Speaker 9: then he leaves a couple years later he's back in
• 43:44
  Speaker 9: the same into town goes in he's like bartender still
• 43:49
  Speaker 9: working here i can't believe he's still working here and
• 43:50
  Speaker 9: so he orders a beer to see what's going to
• 43:52
  Speaker 9: happen knowing what happened last time the bartender walks over
• 43:56
  Speaker 9: to the corner and sure enough he pisses in the
• 43:59
  Speaker 9: glass again right in front of the guy and hands
• 44:01
  Speaker 9: it to him and the guy looks at it and
• 44:03
  Speaker 9: he tastes it again he's like son of a bitch
• 44:05
  Speaker 9: he did it again but he's like but i paid
• 44:10
  Speaker 9: for it i was looking so much forward to a
• 44:12
  Speaker 9: beer and just goes ahead and drinks it anyway and
• 44:15
  Speaker 9: There is no end to this joke. The punchline is
• 44:16
  Speaker 9: the bartender is George Lucas. And getting into that, going
• 44:21
  Speaker 9: between Clone Wars and Episode 3, that was the whole thing.
• 44:28
  Speaker 9: It starts off in this battle. I'm like, what the
• 44:30
  Speaker 9: hell is going on?
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: And then I was with.
• 44:32
  Speaker 9: Some friends who were like, you have to have seen
• 44:37
  Speaker 9: all the Clone Wars episodes between the second one and
• 44:40
  Speaker 9: the third one. I was like, no. No, it just
• 44:43
  Speaker 9: didn't make sense from the get-go.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: You don't have to, again, because that's like comparing it
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: to Empire and Jedi. There's a jump there, and things
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: happened in between all that time, and you just have
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: to play catch-up, and there was no series to bring
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: you up to speed.
• 44:58
  Speaker 9: But, I mean, you got enough exposition in Return of
• 45:00
  Speaker 9: the Jedi to where you.
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: Weren't thrown off. Again, that's better done, and Jedi's not
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: the great movie of the series, but it's still better
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: done than what they did in the other ones.
• 45:08
  Speaker 9: Exactly, and the same goes for Empire Strikes Back.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, there has.
• 45:11
  Speaker 9: there have been things happening where you start off on
• 45:14
  Speaker 9: a completely different planet.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: That one more than any. It does seem like there's
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: an entire other movie missing between four and five, really,
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: that could have been going on.
• 45:23
  Speaker 9: But when you start out in this battle sequence, it's just,
• 45:26
  Speaker 9: at that point, sheer confusion. I'm like, what the hell
• 45:28
  Speaker 9: is going on? And it's just, I just can't stand that,
• 45:33
  Speaker 9: to where people are like, you had to watch this series,
• 45:35
  Speaker 9: you had to read this book, some sort of supplement
• 45:38
  Speaker 9: to where this makes sense. The only time where I
• 45:41
  Speaker 9: can think a supplement actually not only gave more information
• 45:45
  Speaker 9: that wasn't necessary, but made something more effective was Blair
• 45:47
  Speaker 9: Witch Project, because you had that documentary that came out
• 45:50
  Speaker 9: prior to it.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: That was just genius marketing.
• 45:52
  Speaker 9: I know, and it was, but I mean, it totally.
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: And.
• 45:54
  Speaker 7: The interaction with the website.
• 45:56
  Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Speaking of that, I finally got around to seeing The
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: Hunger Games, and I know most people, before they saw it,
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: it's like, oh, this is the new teenager book, you know,
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: after Twilight, and they come out and they go... Actually,
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: there was more to it than I thought.
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: That was my thoughts on it.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: But see, what I heard was, actually, there was more
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: to it. That's what I went in hearing. I went
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: in and saw it, and I'm like, what the fuck
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: am I supposed to make of this?
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: What the fuck is this?
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: This is the worst fucking camera work I've seen in
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: any fucking movie ever. And Blair Witch Project and a
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: lot of other movies, I've heard people say, oh, the
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: camera work, it makes me, it's so jiggly.
• 46:39
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I notice it. No, it levels here and there.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: When I saw that, I'm like, Where is that cameraman?
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: Because I'm going to grab him by the hair and
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: smash his head. Because this is fucking annoying.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: That's why that director is not coming back for the
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: second one. That's crazy.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: It's crazy bullshit. The whole movie is bullshit. I mean,
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: come on.
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: I love how he's just like a huge left turn. Like,
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: I thought you were going to be like, I thought
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: it wasn't bad. But you're just like, fuck it. I
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: love that.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, there are some things I can say
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: for it. Like the lead character. That's a good way
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: to do.
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: Well, she's.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: From Kentucky, and she's not super pretty or anything. She's interesting,
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: and that's a good thing to do in a movie
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: compared to, say, Twilight. Yes, a thousand times better than Twilight. Still,
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: I don't believe this whole class of society that's okay
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: with this. I don't believe those people. If you had
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: one of those people in a movie, you'd have a problem.
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: Class of them.
• 47:40
  Speaker 9: Well, I haven't seen it or read the books, but
• 47:42
  Speaker 9: I know that Battle Royale is similar and the movie
• 47:45
  Speaker 9: predates the book series. Like, how close or far off is.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Well, there's so many films that, I mean, Series 7,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many films, Running Man, I mean,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: that's been made a.
• 47:55
  Speaker 9: Million times in a million ways.
• 47:57
  Speaker 11: Well, I mean, okay.
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was going to say Running Man did it.
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: I think people are, you know, linking to Battle Royale
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: more so because it's, you know, it's children and, you know,
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: the whole game show thing and they're set in, like,
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: I don't know, it's not a jungle in Battle Royale,
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: is it? It's like an island?
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: It's an island.
• 48:13
  Speaker 9: It's like an island jungle or something.
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: Okay, well then you're right. I mean, it's been told.
• 48:19
  Speaker 9: Well, I mean, that doesn't mean that it's being told,
• 48:21
  Speaker 9: you know, it could be told in a completely different way,
• 48:23
  Speaker 9: is what it sounds like it is. I mean, I
• 48:25
  Speaker 9: haven't seen Hunger Games yet.
• 48:26
  Speaker 7: The books are great. I've read the books. The books are,
• 48:29
  Speaker 7: I mean, the second one especially.
• 48:31
  Speaker 9: You're not going to tell me I have to read
• 48:32
  Speaker 9: the book to understand that. No, you do.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: You absolutely do.
• 48:34
  Speaker 7: I haven't seen the movie yet.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing, because I had heard so many
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: good things about the books, and I'm not one to
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: read young adult literature or whatever.
• 48:44
  Speaker 11: Damn.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: I like the first half of that statement.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: I'm not one to read YA lit.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: But I went into it thinking, well, a lot of
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: people that I respect enjoy this and get something from it. So,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: it's obviously going to be smarter than I expect it
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: to be. I walked out and was, I walked out
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: and I saw it with a friend who loves it,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: was super invested, couldn't wait. We saw it opening night
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: or whatever. Um, I walked out and I said, wow,
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: that writer must be incredible. She must write so well
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: because that movie sucked. And I don't know what you
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: could possibly get out.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Of this storyline.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: And she sat me down and she was like, okay, well,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: what are your issues and like issue by issue I
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: was like okay why this and she explained and her
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: explanations were super valid and it sounds like sort of
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: the depth of the books I mean everything means something
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: and the movie was meaningless there was no depth or
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: complexity to it whatsoever it was just these kids running
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: around and.
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: And they weren't even really doing that. Like, four or
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: five of them form an alliance?
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: Fuck no!
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: No, they don't! Are you fucking kidding me?
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: But then you're supposed to wait and backstab each other later.
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: You're pretending like you're forming an alliance.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: I think it was just a poor adaptation.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's the responsibility of the screenwriters, to create
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: something that maintains the meaning and integrity of the original
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: text and still does it within two hours.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: And that's why adapting is hard.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: Well, I've heard that the writer can write. I've heard
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: that from a lot of people. But the movie, I mean,
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: I don't believe the world.
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: I don't believe the relationships of the people in it.
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: I thought the world building part was kind of cool.
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: I like that first half. And I think by the
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: time you get to the battle, it falls apart because
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: they almost don't do what needs to be done. The
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: stuff that, and again, I don't like to compare it
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: to Battle Royale, but Battle Royale just does it. so
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: mean and hardcore and it's like they sort of like
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: pg-13 kids club you know the whole thing is just
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: way too easy by the time they get to the
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: end they don't really hit home the point that needs
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: to be made if you're like the entire theme of
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: this is you know are you gonna have you know
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: have what it takes to kill your best friend are
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: you gonna be you know pay the ultimate price to
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: win this contest yeah they.
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: Don't investigate what they're investigating yeah they that's what i
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: think the problem was is.
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: The end part there making a game of death yeah
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: if you don't if you're gonna just you know.
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: If you're just gonna evade it and turn it into
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: like a Yeah, the whole thing is evasive.
• 51:12
  Speaker 9: See, that actually reminds me of something else that people
• 51:14
  Speaker 9: say that pisses me off. They're like, well, this is
• 51:16
  Speaker 9: the first in the series. So when they're done with it,
• 51:18
  Speaker 9: it's like, no, stop that. So I've got to sit
• 51:20
  Speaker 9: through three of these for the first one.
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: This isn't a movie. This is just like filler. Oh, wow.
• 51:27
  Speaker 10: I don't know.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: And I don't understand how it comments on anything either.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's comments on reality TV.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: How?
• 51:36
  Speaker 8: How?
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: And from what basis, from what authority does it have?
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: So is that really where reality TV is headed?
• 51:45
  Speaker 9: Yeah, Lucy brought up Series 7 earlier, and that predates
• 51:49
  Speaker 9: Hunger Games by, what, 11 years? And that does it
• 51:52
  Speaker 9: so much more effectively, and it was low budget.
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: It was fun.
• 51:54
  Speaker 9: I mean, it had its issues, too, because, you know,
• 51:57
  Speaker 9: the fourth act was a little meh. But it was
• 52:00
  Speaker 9: a fun film. I don't know if anybody else saw
• 52:02
  Speaker 9: it or not. It's set, it's actually modern day to
• 52:05
  Speaker 9: where they just do this lottery. to where if your
• 52:08
  Speaker 9: social security number is pulled out, then basically you've got
• 52:12
  Speaker 9: to kill everyone else in the running. And how you
• 52:16
  Speaker 9: choose to do it is totally up to you. However
• 52:18
  Speaker 9: long it takes you to do it is totally up
• 52:20
  Speaker 9: to you. If you don't want to participate, fine, then
• 52:21
  Speaker 9: somebody's going to come and kill you.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: My method of killing people is I tell them the
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: wrong thing to do if they're attacked by a bear,
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: and I wait.
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: Strategy. Yeah.
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: They won't even remember it was me. They won't even
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: remember it was me. You know, it'll completely clean.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Are you responsible for grizzly man then?
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 52:46
  Speaker 9: I was hiking in the Tetons. I remember seeing these
• 52:48
  Speaker 9: signs up that was like, you know, warning, there's been
• 52:50
  Speaker 9: a recent bear attack. If you were hiking alone, please
• 52:55
  Speaker 9: make noise. Recommended singing.
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: I was like, One, two, do you have requests?
• 53:02
  Speaker 9: That is just like, that's got to be some prank
• 53:04
  Speaker 9: by a local forum.
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: That wasn't real, there's a camera in a tree somewhere.
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: There's a state trooper just like, behind a tree, just giggling.
• 53:12
  Speaker 9: So many people know so many Bad Journey songs.
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: Thankfully they did Captain Antonio.
• 53:19
  Speaker 9: And you don't know, there's like some subversive CD out
• 53:22
  Speaker 9: there that's traded amongst forest rangers to where they just
• 53:24
  Speaker 9: record people singing in the woods to not be killed
• 53:27
  Speaker 9: by it.
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: There's a website now. They've upgraded.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: But you get to the end of the Hunger Games,
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: and apparently the way these kids change their world.
• 53:38
  Speaker 7: Spoiler tag.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: Is by being emo. It's basically actions you can do
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: on MySpace. It's you pretend you're in love and suicidal.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: That's what kids... That's the strategy.
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: That sounds like a plan to me.
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's all about that, you know, Twilight and
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: Hunger Games. The draw is just that angst about, you know, like,
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: teens killing other teens or, like, being in love with werewolves. Like,
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: you can see how that would appeal.
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: You know how that goes.
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: It's too high school, you know what I mean? It's silly,
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: but that's all it is.
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't mind the silliness.
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: I don't know. Werewolves, Games of Death, it's been done before.
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: That's not the point. It would have been a lot
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: more fun if.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: The camera work wasn't so fucked up.
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: I mean, how bad do you have to be? It's horrible.
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: I'm amazed when big-budget movies are just kind of broken
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: like that. Just something like technical, just as simple as
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: camera work, they just fail on that one.
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: It's really that bad.
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: That really happens these days. For a movie as successful
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: as 100 Games to just have that kind of shoddy
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: camera work, that's kind of amazing.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: It's equivalent, it's not like having somebody sitting behind you
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: kicking your seat through the whole movie.
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: That's awful.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: It's just persistently annoying.
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: Speaking of walkouts, I prefer walkouts.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: Persistently annoying, yeah.
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: If I can't even follow what's going on because of
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: this stupid camera guy, then fuck it.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: It's hard to miss what's going on.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: I'll give it that.
• 55:01
  Speaker 9: Isn't it shaking camera work without having seen it?
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: It's just swinging around.
• 55:04
  Speaker 9: See, that is actually something that I will say it's
• 55:06
  Speaker 9: Ridley Scott's fault primarily because he did that so much
• 55:09
  Speaker 9: in Gladiator. And everyone suddenly realized all these directors.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: Like Blame It. And Black Hawk Down.
• 55:13
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and Black Hawk Down too. It's like you don't
• 55:16
  Speaker 9: have to have a full set. You can just cheat
• 55:18
  Speaker 9: and jerk the camera around during action scenes. You know,
• 55:21
  Speaker 9: versus Lord of the Rings where they have these huge,
• 55:23
  Speaker 9: beautifully choreographed fights. It's like, no, just jerk the camera
• 55:25
  Speaker 9: around and it's like you're in battle. He even worked
• 55:27
  Speaker 9: it into Hannibal, actually. Yeah, and it's just, that's become
• 55:30
  Speaker 9: like this trend now to where a lot of directors,
• 55:32
  Speaker 9: it's just this complete way of cheating what you're trying
• 55:35
  Speaker 9: to film.
• 55:36
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 55:36
  Speaker 9: Because you disorient the audience and I hate that. It
• 55:38
  Speaker 9: drives me crazy.
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: It's the one thing I'm bummed out about.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: Oh, sorry.
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: Go ahead.
• 55:42
  Speaker 6: Oh, no, go ahead.
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: But, yeah, like Christopher Nolan in the Batman films, I
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: feel like, in The Dark Knight, as much as I
• 55:47
  Speaker 5: love that movie, he did kind of have a couple
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: scenes where... He did the shaky cam, like the scene
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: with the Joker in the tower. I couldn't tell what
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: was going on. It did not need to be there.
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: It was totally unnecessary.
• 55:59
  Speaker 9: There was at least some fluidity, though, when it was
• 56:01
  Speaker 9: the attack to try to get the district attorney during
• 56:06
  Speaker 9: that whole scene, the car chase. At least that was
• 56:09
  Speaker 9: more static than some other scenes in the film.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but see, I don't mind it in general. As
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: a general rule, I do think in the Batman one,
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: I remember you can't really see the action sequences. And
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: that was sort of, you know, that's disappointing, that's not good,
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: it could be better. And there are other movies that
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: use it, and it's like, yeah, it's a choice, and
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: you can question it, but in The Hunger Games, it's
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: just horrible.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: I think that some of it, though, and this might
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: just be me trying to give it credit, I have
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: no idea why, some of it might have been motivated
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: by a desire to keep the rating accessible to kids,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: because it's such a hyper-violent premise, and I feel like
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: a lot of the camera work was to just sort
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: of escape the violence and have it come at you
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: sort of in.
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but they did it when people are just sitting
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: around talking.
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: Why do that? Why are you doing this?
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: That's the worst, when it's just someone sitting down.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: It's just people having a conversation, and it's jumping around
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: for no reason.
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: There's no movie that does that, where it just zooms in,
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: and there's just like... Like, in and out for no reason.
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: I can't remember.
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: What theater was this? Maybe they just didn't know how
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: to work the project.
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I was so bad about that.
• 57:14
  Speaker 6: You're right.
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: It might have been bad.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: What was this?
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: Oh, gosh.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: I've already forgotten what it was called.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: It had Jason Schwartzman in it, and it was about
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: crystal meth. And the whole idea was to sort.
• 57:25
  Speaker 9: Of replicate that feeling. Mine was fun because it was
• 57:27
  Speaker 9: trying to go ahead.
• 57:28
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, that was the point, but it really was maddening.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, by the end of it, you were, like, shaking.
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: You were so disoriented.
• 57:34
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 57:34
  Speaker 13: I have no issue with shaky cam per se. It's
• 57:36
  Speaker 13: just when it's not used effectively, it's not used correctly.
• 57:40
  Speaker 13: Like I actually found watching taken in theaters completely impossible.
• 57:45
  Speaker 7: Um, like I just couldn't deal with it.
• 57:47
  Speaker 13: Uh, and you know, I've heard, I've got friends at
• 57:51
  Speaker 13: the store, I've got coworkers who were like, Oh, that's
• 57:53
  Speaker 13: one of my favorite action movies of the last so
• 57:55
  Speaker 13: many years.
• 57:56
  Speaker 7: And, and it's just like the Bourne.
• 57:58
  Speaker 18: Films do it too the Bourne films handle it better
• 58:01
  Speaker 18: but like with Taken you know it's an entertaining movie
• 58:03
  Speaker 18: but at the same time it feels kind of broken
• 58:05
  Speaker 18: like when a movie is just like that it's like
• 58:07
  Speaker 18: I can't even see like you're not even letting me
• 58:09
  Speaker 18: you know take in the story you're presenting to me
• 58:11
  Speaker 18: like this is terrible.
• 58:13
  Speaker 13: I'm fine with that though like I'm fine with that
• 58:15
  Speaker 13: primarily because well look at for example I know that
• 58:18
  Speaker 13: this isn't universally loved but I'm a fan of like
• 58:24
  Speaker 13: Spielberg's War of the Worlds right he uses shaky cam
• 58:28
  Speaker 13: throughout the film. It's a technique that is disorienting and
• 58:33
  Speaker 13: we don't get to see everything, but the point is
• 58:35
  Speaker 13: that we don't get to see everything.
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: That's a choice for creating a world.
• 58:40
  Speaker 13: It's also, in that instance, it becomes particularly evocative of
• 58:44
  Speaker 13: the home videos made after 9-11 or during 9-11 where
• 58:49
  Speaker 13: you've got people with their video cameras running through the streets.
• 58:52
  Speaker 13: I think that paired with something like Blair Witch, paired
• 58:55
  Speaker 13: with You know, other found footage films. You really get
• 58:59
  Speaker 13: like this feel for, you know, maybe like maybe we're
• 59:04
  Speaker 13: in this new age of digital filmmaking where that is
• 59:07
  Speaker 13: a a a standard of sorts um now it can
• 59:11
  Speaker 13: be done very poorly as obviously it was for you
• 59:14
  Speaker 13: at least with the games i haven't seen it yet
• 59:16
  Speaker 13: um but.
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: Oh you'll you'll know.
• 59:20
  Speaker 13: It's not subtle well taken i did not agree with
• 59:22
  Speaker 13: me for the very reason that you're describing about hunger
• 59:25
  Speaker 13: games but it's like I don't think that it's necessarily
• 59:28
  Speaker 13: a bad thing to be missing out on the action
• 59:30
  Speaker 13: because the action itself can be disorienting if we were
• 59:33
  Speaker 13: in it. And the camera can oftentimes place us in
• 59:35
  Speaker 13: that set.
• 59:36
  Speaker 9: Especially when you mention some of those shaky cam films
• 59:38
  Speaker 9: to where you're purposely... Leaving the audience out to build intrigue,
• 59:42
  Speaker 9: you know, like Cloverfield or even more effective than that, REC.
• 59:47
  Speaker 9: I mean, both of those do it very well.
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: But again, if it's set up to be you're watching
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: found footage, the character you're running around with is holding
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: the real camera in this scene. fictional story as opposed
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: to a studio like the hunger games when it's just
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: like you know who's the fuck head in this room.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: Holding this camera yeah that's different it's it introduces a
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: non-existent character into the.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 13: Movie reality show if what we're watching is a reality
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  Speaker 13: show yep then there is someone with a camera inside
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  Speaker 13: the reality of that film even if that's not a
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  Speaker 13: physical person and in the books it's something of a
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  Speaker 13: you know more like it's a probe thing, like from
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 13: the Star Wars movies.
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  Speaker 3: No, it's like early on before she's even in a
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  Speaker 3: reality show.
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  Speaker 13: But that's sort of part of the same digital reality
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 13: that we get when we watch Survivor. We get them
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 13: running through their mazes and tricking each other at night. Like,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 13: we get the same shaky cam. So, I could not
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 13: seen it, you know, I'm sure that it's as awful
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  Speaker 13: as you're describing it, but I could also see a
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  Speaker 13: justification for it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, in another movie, sure. It's never really bothered me.
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  Speaker 1: I mean.
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  Speaker 3: I loved Blair Witch. I don't mind saying it.
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  Speaker 9: I loved Blair Witch.
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  Speaker 1: I think that also speaks to just how terrible the
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: film was that you start dwelling on that.
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  Speaker 4: Well, yeah. You pull out of the story.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and I don't know. I'm not that,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not a snob about it. I was just trying
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: to have fun.
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  Speaker 9: Going back to actually Summer Disappointments and what you were
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 9: saying earlier, War of the Worlds, I would say it
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 9: was like a fun half of a movie, but like,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 9: About two-thirds in. Once they got to the farmhouse and
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 9: everything after that, I was like, oh, something happened. And
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 9: then just logic went out the window, too. You know,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 9: the sun runs off into this giant fireball, and then
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 9: he just shows up at the end. And I always
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 9: love it because Tom Cruise's character, he looks at him like, what?
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 9: And he's just like, eh, it's like.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: That's a bit how the book was, too. I mean,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: all people remember is the initial attack, the detailed description
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: of the aliens, and what happens in between. It's like, oh,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: it's some rotting carrot.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: And then at the end.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: And then at the end, the virus or the germs
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: kind of like, oh, remember the germs?
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, germs.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: In the very beginning where you see the monsters, but
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: what happens in between, we don't know what. Explosions.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 9: Not a lot, yeah.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 13: With the book and with the broadcast, the main character
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 13: is the invasion. So the various perspectives we get are
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 13: not– they don't have narratives. And that's sort of the
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 13: point is that they are– well, they exist in the
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 13: same sort of reality as these found footage films where
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 13: you just follow someone through this experience and that's.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 7: What you get.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 9: But at the same time, there needs to be at
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 9: least enough exposition. I mean there could have been a
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 9: little bit more like just in passing, like in the
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 9: original War of the Worlds broadcast. Orson Welles' character happens
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 9: to talk to someone who's run away from the army,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 9: and you get more of a feel as to what's
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 9: going on from the army's point of view. And they
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 9: have that a little bit in the film, but not
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 9: that much to where you can understand what's going on.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 7: It's still a movie. We still need to demand some
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 7: sort of.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 9: I mean, there at least needs to be just... It
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 9: doesn't have to be a tremendous amount, because I like
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 9: it when films do leave you in the dark and
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 9: leave stuff that is ambiguous, but that film is not
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 9: set up to be ambiguous like that. So, I mean,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 9: it's got a very clear-cut ending as to what has happened, but...
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 9: As for the process, getting to that clear-cut ending, that
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 9: is what's questionable, and that's what I had issues with.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 9: That and just, you know, by the time you got
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 9: to the basement, you know, it was Spielberg's bag of
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 9: tricks to where it's like it's the velociraptors in the
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 9: kitchen all over again with this probe moving around and
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 9: them hiding from it, even the mirror and all this stuff. And,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 9: you know, I was like, God, get out of the basement.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 9: You're killing the movie.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 6: Get out of the basement.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 5: And just another thing that I think that, like going
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: back to kind of the– shaky cam which i don't
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 5: remember so much of it in more of the worlds
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 5: i feel like if it was using when it was
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 5: using more of the worlds it was probably it was
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: well done because i didn't stick out for me in
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 5: that film but with like the hunger games and i
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 5: have seen clips of that like you know that's the
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 5: cheap thing where someone shoots an arrow and the camera
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 5: goes whizzing past the person who gets shot you don't
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 5: see them get shot and it just comes back and
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 5: oh they have an arrow in them and it's you
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: know it doesn't really follow the action very well like
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 5: to me that kind of I mean, it diminishes the
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: sense of setting, of location in a film, so you
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 5: don't get as immersed. You're just kind of in these detached...
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 5: You don't know where you are, you just know that
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 5: stuff is happening. So it kind of diminishes that sense
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 5: of immersion, and also I just think it kind of.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: I.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: Don't know, it.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 9: And that sort of technique for violence, I don't mind
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 9: if it's something that's low-budget. If they don't have the
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 9: budget to actually effectively make an arrow go into someone
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 9: where it looks believable. But, you know, the Hunger Games,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 9: you can tell where it goes.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: In the Hunger Games, they're just trying to keep her
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: preserved from being a bad person.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: And I think, actually, I mean, I think they do
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: that too much.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 7: Again, that's my problem.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: You don't see her actively do anything. The whole time she's, like,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: running away from it.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: She never is faced with that.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: Decision which to me is the whole point of the
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: story and then yeah that was my.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: Problem with it somehow she's magically her best friend yeah
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: well i don't know.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: Again that was that scene.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: Where she looks up at the sky and goes no
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: and what.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: Am i supposed to make of this again that's just
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: badly adapted because the person who i saw it with
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: read the book and like it's It's like two or
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: three chapters of hanging out with that little girl. And
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: here it's like, we meet her, the next scene, it's over.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: And we're supposed to have this big bond and we're
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: supposed to have a big reaction to what happens.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: You don't because you just met her.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: It's got a lot of issues.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: And that scene with the flowers that seems so silly
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: when that whole thing is just like, oh my god,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: this is terrible. But apparently the reason for that was
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: because I guess in the book there's this whole deal
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: about how they don't record everything. They just sort of
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: record the things that they try to sort of whitewash everything.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: And so she knew that if she put the flowers
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: on her, then they would have to show the dead
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: body on TV. And that's an interesting moment that totally
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: doesn't exist in the movie, that only exists in the book.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: And apparently there's a million of those. It's just a
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: bad adaptation.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not attacking the book or anything. I don't
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: know about the book. I can't even attack Twilight anymore
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: because I don't remember. It might be fucking genius.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: I don't know if I'll attack it, but I will
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: ask a lot of questions.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: You know, really, most of my disappointments are like really
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: pretty good movies. They just weren't what I was hoping
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: they were.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: And the other ones that, you know, I didn't expect
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: much from. Or there's that whole class of movies that
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: people think you, based on their understanding of you, you
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: are going to love this movie. I didn't like it
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: so much, but you will love it. This is your thing.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: That's a whole class of disappointment because you're disappointed in
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: the movie and you're disappointed in your friends and you're
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: disappointed in your relationship with them that that's what they
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: think and associate with you.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 9: See, you mentioned the whole Twilight thing, and the only
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 9: thing that pops in my mind, and this happened when
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 9: we had the second one, what was that, New Moon?
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 9: Is that the second one? Yeah, there was this little
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 9: gaggle of girls in the lobby talking, waiting for, I
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 9: don't know, their parents or some friend or somebody else,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 9: but they were talking about one girl that was not there.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 9: And they were trying to figure out if she was
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 9: gay or not. And the thing that they explained, and
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 9: it was the most bizarre thing in the world, is
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 9: they were explaining how She has a boyfriend, but she
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 9: has a girlfriend, but the only time, like she is
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 9: some girl that apparently believed that she was a werewolf
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 9: and that she was only attracted to women when she
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 9: was in the werewolf form because she couldn't control the
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 9: like beast within her.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 7: So ginger snaps.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 9: I was really tempted to just be like, I was
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 9: really tempted to interrupt and say, I mean, she's like a, I.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 7: Don't know, but.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 9: It's just that conversation, I was like, this is that crowd.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 9: This is the problems they have in their life. It's
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 9: just like.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: Well, they're dramatizing themselves, and they're sort of coming into
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: their sexuality, and these books sort of make it seem
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: important and magic in a way when really it's pretty.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: lane yeah yeah it's just you know i i can't
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 4: make fun of those girls because i've had equally as
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: dorky conversations about star wars so i mean it's just
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: their thing it's just they are into something different but
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: i mean yeah.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: But you know the old werewolves the old werewolf movies
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: were always about sex.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: Almost horror underlying.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: Long cheney was valutin's cat people yeah he was like
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: the school janitor in all those movies You know, he's
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: sort of dressed like the school janitor, and he always
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: felt bad about turning into a werewolf. He's like, oh,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: the moon's out, man.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 13: One of my favorite movie viewing sort of just little
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 13: moments was when the palace was doing that. retrospective of
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 13: universal horror films a couple years ago and they showed
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 13: the wolfman of course so we're there and you know
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 13: Lon Chaney goes to this junior goes to this shop
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 13: and this woman says something to him I don't even
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 13: remember what it was that she had said And he
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 13: goes back home and talks to his father, and his
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 13: father says the same thing.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 7: And he exasperatedly just sort of yells, that's what she said.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 9: The entire audience laughs.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: It's the funniest thing in the entire movie.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 7: That's just something you don't ever get.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 9: You mentioned that. Probably one of my favorite ones recently
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 9: that comes to mind is Melancholia, when I saw it.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 9: There were three moments within it that cracked me up.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 9: The first one, I mean, you have that gorgeous pre-credit sequence,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 9: just with everything just uber slow and that beautiful orchestral music.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 9: And then as soon as that ends and it cuts
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 9: to titles, there's this old couple sitting directly in front
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 9: of me, and the old man leans over to his
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 9: wife and goes, this is weird. But then it was
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 9: the other two of them. The second one, it comes
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 9: after you've seen Kirsten Dunst's story, and then it goes
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 9: into the second one. So it's like chapter two. I
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 9: can't think of the girl's name, but it shows that. Yeah, Justine.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 9: As soon as that title came up, just some guy
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 9: who was a couple of hours over goes. But the
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 9: best one was it was some fellow near the front.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 9: As soon as the credits came up, he just stood
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 9: up and was storming out of the theater and And
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 9: I just, he wasn't even trying to be under his breath.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 9: He just goes, Artie, piece of shit. It's like all
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 9: three of those moments were within the same film and
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 9: it was just cracking me up.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 5: It's always so amusing to just the fact that those
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: people always pay money. You want to.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: Take it to melancholia.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: Think about that.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 13: The first time I watched it, I, you know, I
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 13: approached it super serious and was just, you know, like
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 13: overwhelmed by the imagery and, music and the acting I
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 13: thought it was a phenomenal film second time I watched
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 13: it I could not get over the fact that Jack
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 13: Bauer you know was one of the characters Kiefer Sutherland
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 13: and so he was trying to save the world from
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 13: a planet crashing into earth and it was just you
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 13: know like the ultimate challenge for Jack Bauer.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 4: I've only got two hours left come on I've only got.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 5: Two hours instead of like Justine the time that just
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 5: shows like the digital clock yeah.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 9: Udo Kier the whole time, he just looks pissed at
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 9: me in the movies. He was like, this is all
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 9: they gave me to do. I'll chew the scenery up
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 9: with this then.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 13: Back to Summer Disappointments, we were talking about some of
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 13: the nonsense logic of Twilight. And the only thing I
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 13: could think of that was in any way similar was,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 13: I mean, and I love the films, and I love
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 13: the one that preceded it, but Quantum of Solace.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 7: Like, I watched that completely stone sober.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 7: And have no clue what happened.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: Okay, it wasn't just me, because I was so bored
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: with that.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: It's like a dream about the premise for that someone
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 5: had about a Bond movie.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 4: It kind of is.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 7: Before that, Mark Forster did great films, and I didn't
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 7: know what was wrong.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: I just sat there and went, oh, 20 minutes, yep,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: we're in another country. Just every 20 minutes, all right, well,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 4: we're in another country now.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 7: At the end of it, I was like, was I
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 7: stoned watching this? I had no memory of the film
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 7: immediately after it ended.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: That was kind of my thing.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was a little confused when you said stoned sober.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: Was there a D in there?
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 6: No, no, no.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 13: I was completely, there were no intoxicants in my system,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 13: and I had no concept of what had occurred during the.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: Course of the film. Yeah, that was kind of my
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: take on it.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 7: And there were cars and suits. And to this day,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 7: that is all I can remember.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: I remember swinging around.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: It really was not compelling, especially compared to the previous.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 7: And Casino Royale is one of the best in the series.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: He's such a good Bond.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 5: Such a great Bond.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: He makes the other Bonds look like they were just
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: sort of kidding. I mean, I can believe him being
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: that guy.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 7: I'm so excited for the new one. I think the
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 7: new one's going to be phenomenal.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 7: It just didn't make any sense to me.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 5: I feel like they need another action director. What's the
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 5: New Zealand guy who directed Casino, who directed GoldenEye? Why
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 5: do they keep having these art house people?
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 7: Shouldn't they have learned from Pondos?
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 5: Why are you going to get Sam Mendes? Because they're
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 5: trying to upscale. Sam Mendes did do Jarhead. That's not
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 5: an action movie, though, really. I don't consider those are dramas.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 7: But they're still genre dramas. They have some Barney Ralph.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 5: And some Tommy Guns being shot, but it's no Casino Royale.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 5: He doesn't have that camera work, the crane work, that...
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 5: I keep forgetting his name.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 9: I was going to say, Jarhead isn't necessarily that big
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 9: thing to support it on. There's Edie's End of Darkness,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 9: which was bad action.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 7: There's guns.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 9: I can't even.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: That's the Neil Gibson movie?
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 5: I thought the action was pretty amazing in that. With
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 5: the shotgun with the girl, that was like, oh my god,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: that was... I mean, it was awful, but it was
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 5: just like, no other director would have been that audacious
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 5: with that kind of scene. So I think they need
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 5: that kind of balls-to-the-wall action director, as opposed to Sam Mendes,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 5: who I admire him, but at the same time, the
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 5: only movie I like that he's made so far is
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 5: Revolutionary Road. But, I don't know, I... I'm just ranting
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 5: about Sam Mendes now, but yeah. I just don't know
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 5: why they're doing it again.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: I think the rules changed because of Bourne, and they
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 4: were just like, we have to do something.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 5: One of the things that could turn out brilliantly, like, oh,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 5: it was an inspired choice, but at the same time,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 5: I'm kind of hesitant, you know?
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 7: But, yeah.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 13: He is, for whatever it counts, he is a huge
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 13: fan of the series and is operating on principles of
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 13: making it be one of the.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 7: long-lasting volume.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 5: Well, I have high hopes for it. I really do.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 7: I know that that never works out well, but I
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 7: have a little bit more faith in him.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 9: But actually, I don't know why it came to mind,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 9: but it started at the very beginning of all this madness.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 9: You mentioned the film. And I think actually for anyone
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 9: in our age demographic, it is probably one of the
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 9: most disappointing summer movies of our childhood. And that would
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 9: be Super Mario Brothers.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: Damn it, I love that movie.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, I like it too.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 5: That movie is fun.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 11: It is.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 9: It's fun, but weird. Go back to when it first
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 9: came out.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: I liked it then, too.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 5: See, I came in and I was like, I remember
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 5: watching it. I put that movie in the same category
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 5: as Big Trouble in Little China.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 7: Campy.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that can't be bad, but it's so fun.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 9: But as a kid, you don't pick up on that
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 9: campy vibe.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 7: That's true.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 9: I was like, what on earth is this? This is
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 9: not the video games. It almost kind of reminded me
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 9: of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the later movies, where
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 9: I was like, Yeah, this is not the series.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 4: I think, again, it was maybe the second or third
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: time I watched it, but at that point I was like,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: I think that's why I like this so much is
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: that it tried to, it didn't try to do the
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 4: video game. It didn't sit there and analyze the scenes
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: of what's going on. It just went, all right. Here's
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: a couple of things we've got to work in. But
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 4: most of all, I want to make up this weird
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: story about all of this other stuff going on.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 9: Which is why I like it a lot more now
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 9: than I think I did as a kid.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 9: Just because it is so bizarre. It's bizarre. I mean,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 9: there's so many talented names attached to this.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: Dennis Hopper's amazing.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 9: It's just so weird.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: Wait, was that the movie that Roland Jaffe did? Am
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: I losing my mind?
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: What?
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 5: The mission? Wait, no.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: No, no, no.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: Who did Super Mario Brothers? I don't know who directed it.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: That was something like that. I haven't seen Super Mario Brothers.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 7: I think that.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: You should. We can add it to the list.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 13: I think it coincided with the mission of Time Warp.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 13: It's a good double feature there. So, like, I don't
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 13: know if it was him, but he may have done
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 13: something similar.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 5: He is, like, the prime example of just, like, an
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 5: amazing director who just fell from grace totally. Like, what, captivity?
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 7: Like, really? His most recent was really just the mission
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 7: part two. There'd be dragons.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: I never get excited about anything that's hyped up. Disappointment
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: requires expectation and I never have expectation for anything that
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: happens during the summer at all. The thing that disappoints
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: me is when a director that I had a lot
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: of confidence in just goes off the rails or makes
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: a decision that I don't understand.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 7: I'm Francis Ford Coppola.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 9: I didn't go with Lynch on his last call.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: I didn't even get the memo that this was summer disappointments.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure you just told me disappointments.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 5: It's general disappointments, but we're heading into summer.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 4: Again, I don't think we'll remember when they came out, really.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 4: We were just using the summer as the example. Disappointments
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: in general... And it's Rocky Morton directed Super Mario Brothers.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: What is the weird thing that Roland Jaffe did after
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: The Mission?
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 11: Sorry.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: You mean The Mission with De Niro?
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: He did The Killing Fields and he did The Mission.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 5: And then he did some crazy.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: Adaptation of some crazy.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 9: Didn't he do Black Robe?
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: Is that not the same guy?
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 9: I think maybe it is.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 11: God.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: Because Black Robe is up there in my pantheon of movies.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: Are you thinking of The Scarlet Letter?
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 5: Oh, that was awful.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: Because everybody hated that one.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: Maybe it was light motive that produced Super Mario Brothers.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 4: Because right after Mission is Fat Man and Little Boy,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: which I don't remember being that bad. Scarlet Letter is
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: the one everybody hated.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: I think it was his production company maybe that did
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: Super Mario Brothers. Now we're just, none of this is it.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 9: We're totally digressing now.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 6: Wait, wait, wait.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: Did he do Black Robe?
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 7: That could be him.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: That seems like him.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 7: It's the same style.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 4: I do not see it on here.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 10: Uh-oh.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 5: Same with Brian De Palma. Just as far as just making.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah, after the Untouchables.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 5: Black Dahlia?
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 6: Oh, yes.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: He's always been a little off, really. He's kind of
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 4: hit and miss in general.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 7: I'm excited for his Untouchables sequel.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 11: Yeah, he is.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 9: Yeah, he really is.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 7: Because a new Horkoni is still alive and is going
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 7: to score it.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 9: I'm sorry, but De Palma after Phantom of the Paradise.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: Okay, I'll give you credit. He did produce.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: I knew I didn't make that up.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 11: 73.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 7: Or 74.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 13: You're not giving him Carrie?
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 7: You're barely giving him Sister?
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 9: I'm being dismissive towards all of them. I love Phantom
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 9: of the Paradise so much, it's like it hasn't been equaled.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: Nothing beats Snake Eyes.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the big disappointment I remember is.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: In terms of having an expectation, it was American Beauty.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: I expected it to be like a movie.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the wrong way.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, me too. And everybody told me it was, and
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: I read a reviewer.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 5: Why I don't like it either. I just, it's like,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 5: I don't like the, something about it.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: I know why I don't like it. I don't like
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: it because it's a movie that's trying to tell you
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: it's different. And it's exactly the same.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 5: Isn't this weird? This guy turns out to be this.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: It's the same movie they've been making for Outsiders since
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: Cuckoo's Nest. It's the same movie. And What's-His-Name is great
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: in it, and there are things about it. But I
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: read a review of it, and I just thought, wow,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: that sounds crazy. And it talked about the plastic bag
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: in it. And I thought of it as litter. You know,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: like it would have advertising on it. It would be
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: something that is not PC, something that you're not supposed
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: to see, that it's beautiful, and you get to it
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: in the movie, and it's like, oh, it's a little
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: bag doing a dance. Isn't that cute?
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 4: It's not.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: It's ridiculous in a way.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 5: I take Revolutionary Road a lot more seriously than American
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 5: Beauty because it doesn't force, like you said, it doesn't
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 5: tell you how to feel. It just shows this really
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 5: sad situation. It's very believable and realistic. There's no that
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 5: arty kind of music to guide you through these scenes.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 5: They're supposed to be kind of just kooky or weird
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 5: or dark for the sake of being kooky or weird
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 5: or dark. I just didn't get that same vibe. I
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 5: thought it was the dysfunctional family drama that I felt
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 5: American Beauty should have been.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 9: Out of all the Sam Mendes stuff, I think Road
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 9: to Perdition is still my favorite. I mean, I like
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 9: the original Max Allen Collins story. And then just Conrad Hall.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 9: I mean, I love anything that he shoots. And just
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 9: I was so happy that he actually won, you know,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 9: an Academy Award posthumously for that. I mean, finally, yeah. Because,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 9: you know, it's just he'd been working for so long.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 9: And just, you know, it's got a fantastic score. And
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 9: Hanks is good in it. I mean, there was so
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 9: much about that film I liked.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 7: Von Neumann's final film.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 9: But actually in the way of a director that seriously
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 9: I think has just sort of fallen from grace for me,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 9: and I really hope he redeems himself because he's got
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 9: one coming out this summer, and that's Wes Anderson. Because
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 9: Bottle Rocket I thought was fun. Rushmore I thought was
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 9: fantastic and really liked Royal Tenenbaums. And I remember when
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 9: I got to Life Aquatic, that was one where I
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 9: remember really wanting to walk out of it.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: That was going to be one of my examples too.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 14: That was hurtful.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 9: But I do think he's come back since then.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 7: I do think Darjeeling is an odd little duck of
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 7: a film.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 5: I love Darjeeling.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 7: I still don't think it worked. I don't think it's
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 7: as good as his first three. But Fantastic Mr. Fox,
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 7: I think, is. I think Fantastic Mr.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 11: Fox is.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 7: is with them all the way.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 9: See, that's one I hadn't seen just because Darjeeling and
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 9: Life Aquatic both left such sour taste in my mouth.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 9: I was like, eh, I'm sure it does have its
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 9: redeeming qualities, it's just it's not one that's like on
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 9: the must-see list right now.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 7: Well, that, it shocked me.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 4: That seemed like that's so.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 9: Me too.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't want to give anything, but that scene, like,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 5: it really did blow me away. Like, and I'd never
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 5: expect that with Wes Anderson.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 4: That seems like such the format for him though. He's
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: so controlling and so specific about everything that like, why
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: wouldn't you want to do stop motion animation? I mean,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: you were in control of everything.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 5: Wherever you were in Europe.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 9: I think just the one thing that just sort of
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 9: bothered me is as you gradually got further and further
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 9: into his, you know, over films is by the time
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 9: you got to life aquatic, I mean that.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 7: Sort of, um, his style i was gonna say just.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 9: Sort of that apathy i mean yeah it's funny to
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 9: an extent it is funny when you have it with
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 9: bill murray and you know royal tenenbaums or even with
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 9: most of the characters in tenenbaums or um uh rushmore
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 9: it's funny but then after a while it's just like
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 9: you can only do so much with that and so
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 9: by the time it got to life aquatic it's like okay,
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 9: this isn't funny anymore. This has almost gotten to the
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 9: point to where it's just, it's depressing me to watch
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 9: this film.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: It depressed me from the start. And by the time
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: it got to that level of depression, then it started
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: to be funny again on a whole new level.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 13: Charlie Chaplin has this great quote where, you know, to
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 13: sit here and quote, right? Charlie Chaplin has this awesome
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 13: quote where he says, comedy is life in mid shot.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 7: And tragedy is life in close-up.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 13: And I think the Wes Anderson films really fit into that,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 13: as do, I think, any really, really great comedies. Now,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 13: Life Aquatic, I think his need to control the style
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 13: becomes too overbearing, and he's not able to give the
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 13: characters enough room to develop. But I think Darjeeling is
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 13: an interesting case in that sort of tyrannical style because
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 13: he's shooting on locations. And he manages to make these
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 13: sets that are not sets, their locations in India, look
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 13: like a Wes Anderson film.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: I'm just still interested in him. He hasn't, like, totally
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: disappointed me.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 7: Fantastic Mr. Fox, though.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: Paul Thomas Anderson is the one that went off the
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: rails for me.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 6: What?
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 5: Opposite. It gets better and better.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: No, it doesn't.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 5: Thank you. Oh, my God, really? Yeah.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: There Will Be Blood.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 9: I had a hard answer that whole time.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: Too little, too late.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 11: No.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: Too little, too late. Magnolia. I've heard people say really
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: interesting things about it. I was like, yeah, I can
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: see that. Wow, that's really interesting. Not feeling it as
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: a film, though.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 7: I understand that.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 13: When I watched it for the first time, and I
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 13: will officially point my finger at that film and say,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 13: it is the film. That turned me into a cinephile.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 13: It is the film that, you know, converted me. And
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 13: I showed it the next day or two days later
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 13: to my best friend that I watched every movie with.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 7: It's like, you need to see this movie.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 13: And that is the most miserable movie watching experience I've
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 13: ever had.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 7: So I understand full well how much people can hate it.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 13: I hated it every second. I mean, it's a three-hour
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 13: long film. I was like, we can turn this off.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 4: He was the other guy going, I'm disappointed in you
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 4: for thinking I would like this.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 9: That's an interesting point, which I'm totally going to throw
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 9: out an option for the future here, if I'm allowed
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 9: to do that. But actually, it's almost an interesting topic
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 9: just to kind of chew over. It's like, what film...
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 9: got you in the movies to begin with, and what
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 9: film pushed you beyond that to becoming more a cinephile?
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 4: That's a good one. I think that's a whole episode
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 4: right there.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: I have sort of an answer to that. Actually, Zeffirelli's
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: Romeo and Juliet, I was watching on TV when I
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: was a kid, and the scene where Mercutio is killed
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: is the moment where I thought, so that's what a
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: director does. Because he plays it in a way where
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: it's really romeo's fault and it's you can see that's
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: not in the script yeah that's just a way of
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: looking at what happens and and the director is showing
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: you and i don't know that it's genius or anything
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: but it it's like oh.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 13: You begin to realize the sort of machination it's not
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 13: just entertainment it's.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: Construction yeah it's not just you know they're enacting the
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: story as it's written it's a vision of the story
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: and there's somebody who's doing that and uh.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 13: Specifically with film that there is a visual aspect to
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 13: it that it's not just here is a story here
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 13: are people who are playing characters in the story the
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 13: film is unique from.
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  Speaker 4: You know every other every other.
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  Speaker 13: Medium because of the visual aspect and how the visual
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 13: aspects can make you feel things more immediately And so
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 13: that's exactly what that is.
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  Speaker 3: So that was for me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's its own episode. We'll put a
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 4: pin in that one and come back to it because
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: that's definitely, there's a lot there.
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  Speaker 9: I love you.
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  Speaker 3: I love you too.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 4: I'll take it right and get it at this point. So...
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 4: We touched on this director earlier on a different film,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 4: but as I was looking through, trying to just think
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: of big movies that then... Well, I noticed a lot
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 4: of the disappointments came from the sequels, which is usually
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 4: how it is, because that's what builds up your expectation,
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 4: is that first one. But we were discussing Spielberg earlier,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 4: Jurassic Park 2. What the hell?
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 7: I haven't revisited it.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 13: I remember watching it as a kid when it came out,
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 13: and And, you know, just loving it.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 5: It's a lot darker, really.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 9: To me, it's the same movie.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: Minus the last 15 minutes. It's just, let's kind of
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: redo the same stuff.
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  Speaker 5: It's a totally just inferior movie to Jurassic Park, but
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 5: at the same time, it's just... I mean, how many
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 5: dinosaurs do you get... I mean, dinosaurs. How many movies
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 5: do you get to see where, you know, Jeff Goldblum
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 5: is fighting T-Rexes? And that's always awesome in my book
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 5: when it's directed by Steven Spielberg. You know... all the
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 5: more you know it's it's even better so and it
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 5: had what's his name uh pete possum professional oh yeah
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 5: dinosaur hunter.
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  Speaker 4: It had it had so many elements that i was
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 4: looking forward to and then there's.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 5: Just– But you're right. That is a very– it was
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 5: a disappointment.
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  Speaker 4: It's such a– yeah, it's such a– and again, I
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 4: like that last like 15, 20 minutes. I think that's
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 4: the only reason he made the movie. He got to
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 4: that point and went, oh, I get to let a
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: dinosaur tear up the city. So, yeah, that whole rest
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 4: of that just feels like we're sort of rehashing shit
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 4: we did in the last movie just to get to
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 4: this last little 20-minute segment and watch him tear up
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 4: the city, which is the only thing we didn't see
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: last time. So I like that last segment. It's funny,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: you know, but, again, it's just kind of his version
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 4: of Godzilla, basically.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 13: There was a movie last year that came out that,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 13: you know, I've taken some flack at it at work
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 13: for not liking at all. Really just finding my screening
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 13: of it miserable. Which was Beginners. Everyone loved that. And
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 13: I get loving it, I guess.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 9: I thought it was alright.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 7: I just liked it. I don't know, like, I was just, like,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 7: not okay with it.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think Christopher Plummer's character was the only one
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 9: that actually made the movie watchable.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 4: Right, Christopher Plummer was great.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 5: I hate that director.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: I'm going to adopt that as a movie review. I'm
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: not okay with it.
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  Speaker 13: It's just, it was just, it felt like it was
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 13: doing all of these quirky things for the sake of
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 13: being quirky, which, I mean, I know that there's, like,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 13: that there's a reason for that, and this is sort
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 13: of recent Sundance stuff, and that that's.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 7: Okay, but... But here it just seemed to be soulless.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 9: Yeah, see, I thought the exact same thing. I felt
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 9: like all the other characters were trite because they were
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 9: just kitschy for the sake of kitschy. And Plummer was
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 9: the only one where I feel like he read the
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 9: script and got it and basically took it to where
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 9: his character could have been totally just played up for
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 9: laughs as just this old man bumbling into gay clubs.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 9: But he made the character so identifiable and sympathetic. I
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 9: was like, That's why, actually, I think he deserved it,
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 9: because he made a movie that I think would have
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 9: been unwatchable otherwise, watchable by stepping above everyone and basically
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 9: taking a mediocre script and working it to his advantage.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 13: And speaking of gay characters being played for laughs, I
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 13: love you, Philip Morris. I hated Jim Carrey in it.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 13: But I thought Ewan McGregor.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 4: Gave a tremendous performance.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 13: One of his best, and he was shitty in Beginners,
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 13: but he was great in I Love You, Philip Morris,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 13: which was the only part about that that was watchable.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 4: See, I didn't hate Jim Carrey as much as I
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 4: usually do. It felt like.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 13: It was really cool that he was doing this strangely
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 13: risky role for him. It was way out of the box,
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 13: but he was just playing it with his same goofy.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 7: It's his same.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 4: But it was a little... It was like a notch back.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 4: It was still too much, but at the same time,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 4: that guy existed. And the fact that he really did
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 4: all this stuff, you do have to be kind of
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 4: some level of crazy to get away with so much
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 4: of that shit that he did.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, shit.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. In a way, it almost worked because
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 4: of that. Because you almost need to be that Jim
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 4: Carrey level of crazy to pull this stuff off.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 9: I'm kind of curious about that is Jim Carrey is
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 9: the Dumb and Dumber sequel.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 4: I'm curious to see how they might.
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  Speaker 9: Make that work.
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  Speaker 13: Jeff Daniels is doing some of the best work of
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 13: his career as an actor. So I think he could
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 13: at least pull through and And, you know, maybe Jim
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 13: Carrey has something to add to it.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and then the Farrelly brothers are supposed to be
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 9: doing it again. It's just, it's interesting. I feel like
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 9: that's too late.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 7: Well, there's already Dumb and Dumber.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 9: And I think they're going to pretend that that doesn't exist,
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 9: because that wasn't Farrelly brothers or anything associated.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: They should pretend Godfather 3 doesn't exist.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 7: I'm fine with Godfather 3.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 3: Just do Godfather 3 like the other one didn't happen.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 11: 3.5.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: Future generations will never know.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 13: There's this great book of film lists. I think the
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 13: title is something like Ten Bad Dates with De Niro.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 13: But there's a list in there of what certain directors
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 13: wish would be remade. And the Coen brothers answered, The
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 13: Godfather movies. Let's just remake them all, but in reverse order,
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 13: starting with Godfather 3 and then ending up with Godfather 1.
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  Speaker 13: And we'll just, let's just do that. And if we
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 13: can't do that, let's do Koyaanakatsi.
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  Speaker 7: Remake that.
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  Speaker 9: That would hurt.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 7: Yes, it would. And it would be called Baraka.
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  Speaker 11: Oh.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 9: Now, see, there's actually something going into movies that I'm
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 9: really looking forward to. Ron Fricke has been working on
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 9: Samsara for years, and he's finally touring around here and there.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 7: I hear it's done. Yeah, it's done.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 9: I mean, actually, he's taking it around, and that's the thing.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 9: I was like, why the hell is it taking it
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 9: so long? And I started researching it, and apparently it's like,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 9: it's almost that he's self-parodying himself in making this, where
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 9: instead of going out and doing time-lapse over, say, A
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 9: Mayan Ruin, he's waiting until there's a solar eclipse over it.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 9: So it's like, I'll wait two years and then I'll
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 9: shoot this. The time left there. It's like, it's that
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 9: obsessive of filmmaking where I'm like, okay, I want to
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 9: see that. I mean, it's just, it.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 13: May also be that it's in 70 millimeter, which it
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 13: isn't really anywhere anymore.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 9: I mean, that might be a two, but yeah, I'm
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 9: just really curious cause I like Kronos and I like, um.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 7: Oh, did he do Kronos as well?
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 9: Yeah, he did Kronos.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 7: I loved Baraka, but I didn't know he did Kronos.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 9: Actually, anybody with the title Kronos in it, I like.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 9: I like Del Toro's Kronos. I like Kronos. Captain Kronos.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 9: The old sci-fi one.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 13: It was one that always, you know, cropped up any
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 13: time I was looking for, you know, before Criterion released it, Kronos. Like,
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 13: it was the one that came up, and I was like, no,
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 13: that's not the one I want. I want the vampire one.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 9: No, I'm talking the time-lapse one, though. I mean, that
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 9: one is... It's actually... It's very, very good, and it's...
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 9: It's a little bit more along the line of what
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 9: Reggio did with the Katsi trilogy, more so with Koanos Katsi,
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 9: because I have issues with the other two minor ones, though,
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 9: because I still think they work well as a trilogy,
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 9: though the third one I think is kind of messy. But, no,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 9: Kronos is a lot of fun. So I've really, really
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 9: got high hopes for Samsara. That's one to where, I mean,
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 9: if it's playing at like a 70mm theater in like
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 9: Chicago or somewhere nearby, that's a total road trip for
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 9: me for a theater experience.
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  Speaker 7: Alright.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 9: I love you.
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  Speaker 5: I'll be living there.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 11: Anyway.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 7: All you need is love.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 3: Well, okay.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 5: Two summer movies that I'm going to put them together
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 5: because what was disappointing, what made them disappointing for me
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 5: was just how much people hyped them up and how
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 5: they regarded these really, I guess, great quote-unquote movies, especially because,
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 5: you know, my friends, they love them both, were 300
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 5: and Kick-Ass and Both of those movies just did not
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 5: do it for me. Especially Kick-Ass.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 13: I was a fan of Kick-Ass, but I thought that
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 13: Super completely rendered it unimportant to me.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 7: I loved Kick-Ass. I thought it was great.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 13: Super one-ups it.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 7: There's no need for Kick-Ass anymore. Super is pretty funny.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 4: I still like Kick-Ass, but again, it really does it
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 4: is that where it falls victim to what it's trying
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 4: to do. It's trying to deconstruct the whole superhero movie
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 4: and then it throws his hands up and becomes a
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 4: cheesy superhero movie so at midway in it changes style
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 13: Which is something that super evades by not actually being
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 13: from a comic book source whereas kick-ass is mark miller
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 13: i believe yeah um and so you know yeah it's
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 13: it is a comic book about people who are not
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 13: superheroes becoming superheroes.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah but 300 actually i think that's the only for
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 9: me the only zack snyder film that works
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 9: .
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 5: .
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 7: .
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  Speaker 5: .
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  Speaker 9: I don't know. There's 300 for me. I mean,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 9: it's very much just an almost panel-for-panel recreation of Frank
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 9: Miller's book. The only thing that's actually in there that
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 9: even isn't in it is the little subplot with the
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 9: queen and all that, but everything else is in there.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 5: And it looks the same. To me, 300 is the
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 5: movie equivalent of jock rock. I don't know. It annoys
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 5: me in that same way that jock rock does when
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 5: I hear it on the radio. I'm just like, no,
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 5: thank you. This is a very popular genre. Like, you know,
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 5: I get that it's, you know, kind of rock and roll,
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 5: it's really, you know, intense and everything, but it doesn't
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 5: do it for me.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 4: A lot of guys with their shirts on.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that kind of thing.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 9: But I was going to say, it's pretty much the source.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 5: Material, though, too. Frank Miller has, at least a little
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 5: bit more, I feel like, had more of an artistic
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 5: touch that made it more interesting. Like, his artwork was just.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't care for it as much as
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 5: Sin City.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: Sin City is far superior.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 7: By far.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: Sin City was kind of funny, at least.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 13: 300, we can talk about it being panel for panel,
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 13: but it just, like, it comes right in the wake
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 13: of Sin City, and even is marketed as such.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 7: You know, just like the Spirit was, and.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 4: Talk about a disappointment.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 13: Sin City is so superior.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 7: 300 feels like a waste.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 5: Sin City in the movie looks amazing. It's a visual feast.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 5: 300 is not. There's a lot of CGI and effects.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 5: It looks drab and dull and shitty, especially when you
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 5: watch it on TV. There's all that brown that doesn't
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 5: look real. The canyons. There's no change of landscapes. And
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 5: it's just such an oppressively.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 9: And that's actually something I've tried to watch on DVD since.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 5: It's supposed to jack you up, and because I saw
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 5: it in a theater of a bunch of my friends,
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 5: and we kind of made this thing... I felt like
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 5: I thought I had a lot more fun with it
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 5: than I really did. But in the back of my head,
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 5: I was like, you know what? You really don't like
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 5: this movie. But because your friends are around you cheering
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 5: it on, you'll buy into it for the time being.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 5: But since watching it on TV, I'm just like... This
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 5: movie comes off as just dull. It doesn't have a
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 5: lot of creativity. It's oppressively macho. The violence isn't even
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 5: that interesting. It's all CGI blood, which I don't care for.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 9: I think it's one that doesn't translate well to watching
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 9: it on DVD, though. So it's the.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 3: Rocky Horror of action pictures. While you're there in the audience,
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: it seems like it's fun, but then you watch it
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: later and it's like, what is this?
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 7: I prefer watching Rocky Horror on Blu-ray at home.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 4: Laughter I think it holds up at home.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 7: I really do.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 4: I think it's pretty fun.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 7: It's really, really good.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 7: Outside of the cult.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: I wish I had filmed you saying that.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 7: Please do. Please do.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 4: That's awesome.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 9: I was going to say, just as somebody who worked
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 9: at the theater where we had it for years and years,
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 9: I was like, I wouldn't trade all the weird, awkward
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 9: moments that I had from working there. It's like, because
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 9: all the odd stuff, it's like, I would have never
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 9: had to deal with a 16-year-old kid overdosing on acid
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 9: if it weren't for Rocky IV, because I don't think
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 9: that's going to happen in the Twilight films.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 5: I mean, it could be wrong.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 4: You never know.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 9: But I don't think it's going to happen. I don't
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 9: think I'm going to have to deal with people giving
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 9: each other blowjobs once we get the new Judi Dench film.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 9: I don't think that's going to happen. I could be wrong.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 4: Those people behind me at Iron Lady, you should have
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 4: seen them going at it.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 9: I love you.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 5: Maybe all 300 needed was just some musical numbers and
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 5: Meatloaf on a saxophone and spice things up. I would
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 5: have taken to it maybe a little bit more.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 9: Not Milof on a saxophone, but the dude from Lost Boys,
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 9: he would have fit right in.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 4: Everybody loves that guy.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 4: Well, before we get too far from Zach, Sucker Punch.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of people had issues.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: I was going to bring that up when you were
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: talking about Super Mario, because you're like, it's not the
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: video game. No, they saved that for Sucker Punch. Whenever
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: that chick starts dancing, you're playing a video game. At
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: your friend's house and waiting for your turn.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 13: The problem for me with Sucker Punch is that there
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 13: were moments where I was like, this is damn good filmmaking.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 13: I mean, like the opening bit I thought was amazing.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 13: And I was like, oh, you know, shit, everyone was wrong.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 13: This is going to be phenomenal.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 4: It's got moments.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 7: And it dies. But then it comes back. And then
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 7: it dies.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 4: Because it's in segments.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 4: It is.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: It's like a series of file cards.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 5: That's exactly how Watchmen was. The Dr. Manhattan sequence in
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 5: the Watchmen film is brilliant. It's one of the best sequences.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 5: My favorite sequences in any movie, period. I will go
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 5: to the DVD and watch it repeatedly. It's so beautifully done.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 5: The Philip Glass music is a perfect choice. The way
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 5: they do the montage, it's kind of touching. It comes
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 5: together just perfectly. perfectly, I think, but there's just some
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 5: other scenes in watching which I'm just like, this is shitty.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 5: The acting is crap.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 4: I still think it holds up better than Sucker Punch.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 14: As a story.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 5: I haven't seen Sucker Punch.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 9: Actually, that was Zack Snyder, too.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 7: Sucker Punch, and even there's this... There's a part of
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 7: me that wants to go and watch the director's cut.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 4: I just haven't gotten to it yet, but I actually
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 4: want to.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 5: Is there a director's cut?
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 6: There is.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 12: I felt like.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 7: The way that certain scenes worked together, there actually felt
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 7: like there were some pieces of the puzzle missing that
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 7: might've made it into a great film.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 7: Like it really felt like that. And it, it shocked
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 7: me because, uh, you know, it was in fact like
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 7: what I was watching was so awful.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 4: Well, it's one of those, I, and you have to
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 4: say this about Zack Snyder overall, but definitely with that movie,
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 4: it's like, You don't have to like Sucker Punch, but
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 4: you have to admit he's an interesting filmmaker. Whatever he's
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 4: putting on the screen, good or bad, it's not half-assed.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 4: He's got a mission, and he is making it happen.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 9: He's doing the new Superman film, and that reminds me
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 9: of one that disappointed me, and that was Superman Returns.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: I know some.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 9: People who loved it.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 4: I still haven't watched it.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 9: Yeah, the one that Bryan Singer did.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 5: Very forgettable.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 9: And that was the whole thing. It's like, coming off
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 9: of X-Men 2, which was a hell of a lot
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 9: of fun, I was expecting a lot of fun from
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 9: the Superman film, because I've never been a big Superman fan,
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 9: and I remember thinking, I'm watching a friggin' soap opera,
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 9: because it's all about him, or you know.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 5: He came off the soap opera, that actor.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't like that Ralph guy, I'm sorry.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 9: But it was so tedious, and not only that, but
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 9: I mean, you know, the whole, you know, Lex Luthor
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 9: versus Superman thing, Kevin Spacey and this guy, they're on screen,
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 9: I remember like, looking at my watch, I was like,
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 9: out of this two-and-a-half-hour film, they're on screen together for
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 9: five minutes. Five minutes. The rest of it is just
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 9: relationship bullshit that, you know, I'm watching a chick flick.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 9: Like heat?
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there are certain things they put into movies that
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: they're trying to generate interest, and they just kill everything.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 3: They just take you, you lose track. And that's the
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: problem with Sucker Punch, is there are just points at
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 3: which it's like, you're going, what?
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 4: What?
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: And you can't, there's nothing to hold on to dramatically.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: And then there's other stuff that's so good. It like
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 3: answers the central dramatic questions before you even form them
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: in your mind. And you go, oh yeah, that's what
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: I wanted to know. But I don't know, in Sucker Punch,
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: I just lose track. And by the time she's having
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: to dance to steal a knife in the kitchen why
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: does he even have to be there i don't understand
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: i'm lost it makes no sense okay.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 4: It's it's going through the motions basically yeah yeah.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 13: It is following you know kind of like scott pilgrim
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 13: did uh albeit far superior yeah It is... The logic
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 13: of Sucker Punch is in line with the logic of
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 13: video games, where you've got.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: I just don't know that game. I can't work the controls.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 4: That's why I quit playing all these games. There's too
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 4: many buttons.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 5: I'm just spinning around in circles, man.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 13: You've got to get the knife. It's not like the
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 13: narrative opens it up so that you can easily get
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 13: the knife. You have to complete a mission in order to.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's mission-based, and each segment is a mission, and.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 7: It's... And it functions logically that way.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: It's just.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 4: it doesn't function as a good movie by the.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 9: End and that reminds me of a big disappointment that
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 9: I remember watching it and I felt like I was
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 9: watching a video game and that was The Matrix Reloaded I.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 4: Had that written down I was like both of the
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 4: sequels to me are a let down.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 9: Yeah because I remember sitting there and like the whole
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 9: sequence you know where they have to get the key
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 9: and they're just running through and all this stuff I
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 9: was like I think actually the whole point to where
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 9: I remember started looking at my watch was the whole
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 9: like weird rave you know sex thing that was just
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 9: like What the hell am I watching?
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 5: That was like the first big mid-step of the movie
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 5: when that rave goes on. You're like, I thought I
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 5: was watching The Matrix. What did this.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 9: That lasts forever. I mean, the only thing.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 5: Very awkward.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 13: That Balcanal scene. I couldn't even remember that. That's the
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 13: only thing I remember from the film.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 9: And the whole architect scene where he's going on forever
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 9: and ever. I'm like, I feel like I'm watching the
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 9: last 30 minutes of Mulholland Drive again.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 18: You're telling me there's something here to figure out, but
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 18: there's nothing to figure out.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 9: They're getting hard-ons writing that dialogue. You know they are.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 9: And I'm just like, bullshit. You're bullshitting me. And I'm
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 9: not buying it. And you're telling me I have to know.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 9: It's like, when did Neo go from just this ordinary guy...
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 9: who just managed to overcome the odds to being like
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 9: friggin' Jesus Christ. That's when it lost me, because the
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 9: first movie... The first movie, right. The first movie, he's identifiable.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 3: That's true.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 9: But the first movie, he's identifiable because he starts off
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 9: as an average Joe.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's your end point.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 9: That actually just happens.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: He lets you in.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 9: Yes, he's John McClane.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 3: He's walking on glass and cutting his feet.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 9: But I mean, then in the second and the third one,
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 9: it's like, okay, we know he's this guy, so there's
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 9: nothing to really root for because he even believes it.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 9: And it's just, you know, I.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 3: I never even saw the third one. That's the problem
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 3: with Superman. That's why after Spider-Man came along, they had
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 3: to start weakening him.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 3: Because he's just not that interesting.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 4: I always kind of thought that. Like within your whole little, again,
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 4: back to the Avengers superhero group. Like that was always
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 4: what pissed me off with your little super friends group
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 4: is like, He could freaking do everything. It was sort
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 4: of annoying. I'm just like, Batman can't do jack shit,
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 4: and he's holding his own, and you have powers that,
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 4: you know, basically every other power that everybody in the
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 4: group has, you also have.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so your real conflict with Superman is like, so
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 3: why are you doing this? Jacking around being a reporter
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 3: all day.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 4: What the fuck? Why are you wasting your time hanging
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 4: out with Aquaman?
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 3: Aren't things happening somewhere in the world that you ought to, like,
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 3: pay a little attention to?
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 9: That's why I always identified more with, like, Marvel characters,
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 9: especially Spider-Man. I was like, I get this character. It's like,
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 9: he can't get a girl. He's screwing up at school.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 3: I get this stuff.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 3: And he wasn't like Batman. He wasn't dark. He was really, like,
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 3: a pretty... cheerful kid. He just always had a headache
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 3: and his girlfriend was mad at him. And, and that,
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 3: that was interesting.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 4: His boss was yelling at him. We all kind of
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 4: identify with that.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 9: But disappointments that really, I mean, it killed the series
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 9: and that's why we've got the new one coming out
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 9: this year is Spider-Man 3. And I think that part
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 9: of it was the fault of like the Batman Begins thing.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 9: I mean, the first two Spider-Mans are a lot of fun.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 9: They're light. They're, you know, almost like comedy, action comedies.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 9: Whereas the third one, it's like, he felt the need
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 9: to make these tragic characters. Spidey goes emo.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 9: And I think part of that came from the whole
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 9: Batman Begins thing. That became the trend in superhero movies.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 9: That fell prey to the thing that all of them do,
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 9: and that is the too many villains.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 3: Too many villains. That's what I was going to say.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 9: Everybody always goes into that.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 3: But if you were going to do the dark Spider-Man,
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 3: you could get De Niro from Taxi Driver years. He
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 3: could be Peter Parker. going in the dark direction.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 4: If you can pay him to do that, I'll watch it.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm fine with that.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 9: I mean, you just needed Sandman. Or you just needed.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 4: Venom is his own movie, which I think they're still
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 4: trying to do. But yeah, you can't make Venom a
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 4: 15-minute segment.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 9: Originally it was going to be The Lizard. They set
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 9: it up with that with Dylan Baker's character.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 3: In all three movies.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 5: Being Dr.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 9: Connor and the other two. And it's just that never
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 9: came to fruition. And you kept getting these weird cock-tease
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 9: announcements that, oh, it's going to be Bruce Campbell as Mysterio.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 9: And it's like, oh, sorry.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 4: No, never mind.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 13: I am really excited for the new one. I was
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 13: surprised to see that Mark Webb is doing a different...
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 13: Spidey vision than Raimi, and Raimi's was very Raimi. I mean,
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 13: it was Evil Dead stuff, him swooping through the sky.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that hospital scene with Doc Ock.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 9: See, and I think that was just sort of a
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 9: wink to the audience, and that didn't bother me. I
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 9: thought it was fun.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 4: I think the first two are pretty awesome.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 13: The Mark Webb point of view, where we see him going,
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 13: and I didn't even think it worked until I finally
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 13: saw it.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 5: Mirror's Edge video game.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 4: Rip off.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 9: But see, that's my fear, is this thing, it's going
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 9: to try to take that sort of Batman vein to
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 9: where it is like this darker you know more brooding
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 9: character and I do not think that can work for
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 9: Spider-Man's character based on the source material I just don't because.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 4: I mean he's just a different mindset like he always
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 4: has been it's a different.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 9: World yeah it is a different world and I don't
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 9: think you could take that formula and try to apply
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 9: it to a certain character and assume it's going to
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 9: work and actually it probably.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 3: Was nice to do that with batman because that darkness is.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 4: In yeah that's the whole bulk of the story it's
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 4: like this thing yeah it was a.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 3: Fucked up individual yeah that was good for the material
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 3: but spider-man's a different guy the part of spider-man is
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 3: like He's an innocent dork that happens to special powers.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 3: And he gets in trouble for being Spider-Man. He gets
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: in trouble for not being Spider-Man.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 9: He still lives in his aunt's basement. He's got everyday problems.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 9: I don't see that darkness applying. I just really don't.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 9: I'm sure I'll see it. I'm not excited for it.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: So you're pre-disappointed.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 4: That's what it's come to. I'm not pretty disappointed.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 9: It's just like what Lucy was saying earlier. I'm not
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 9: setting expectations high. And that's actually, it's funny. There's so
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 9: many recent summers to where I really haven't had high
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 9: expectations for anything because I just had my hopes dashed
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 9: so much.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 4: I never had high summer expectations. See, I kind of
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 4: didn't until I saw that new trailer on the Avengers.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: It was like.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 4: This better be fucking good.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 13: Ridley Scott came out and, you know, of course, this
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 13: is just like David Fincher's pre-Dragon Tattoo buzz.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 7: But he came out and he's like, you know, Prometheus
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 7: is like 2001 on steroids.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 4: I was like, you can't say that, man. Don't say that.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 7: Like, you really can't.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 4: But that new trailer looks really good.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 6: It's going to be really good.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: This whole conversation is making me feel very grateful for
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: my worldview because I feel like it helps me avoid
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: a lot of sadness. It just never occurred to me
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: to be excited about 300 or Sucker.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 3: Punch or any sequel.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: To any film ever, especially comic book movies. So I'm
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: a little confounded right now.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 9: It's a Y chromosome thing.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I never have good expectations for anything in the summer.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 3: I just don't expect it.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 9: I like the pleasant little surprises that arise.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 4: If something is kind of fun, I'm okay.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 9: Usually it's something that's under the radar. Like, I remember
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 9: the redeeming one of, like, summer of 2006 was Brick.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 9: I mean, I saw that. I was like, ah, best
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 9: movie of the summer.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fun.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 9: But then these films, they only, you know, they last, like,
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 9: A week because they're so overshadowed by everything else.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 5: Was Drive this past fall or late?
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 9: That was fall. That was into September.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 5: That's a rare example where my expectations could not have
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 5: been higher and somehow managed to exceed them. That's very
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 5: rare for me. I hope I get that out of
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 5: the summer movie, but I tend not to.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 9: Which I actually thought was funny because Tarantino released his
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 9: list at the end of the year of the ten
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 9: best movies. And then, like, or 11 or whatever, like,
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 9: the number one movie where he chalked it up as
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 9: the nice try category was Drive.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 5: Really?
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 9: It's like, he's pissed that somebody actually made a Tarantino movie.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what he probably hated was that he
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 5: likes chattiness and dialogue, and that movie was all about
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 5: just not saying that.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to talk.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 5: He probably hated that.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see how he wouldn't like that.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 7: Just Tarantino's list.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 5: It was a very quiet movie. He likes the talking head,
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 5: you know. Sure. Not the band, but you know.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 9: He had Rise of the Planet of the Apes on
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 9: there in that movie. Irritated me so much.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 5: It actually surprised me. It was better than I thought
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 5: it would be. But again, I forgot about it.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 9: After I watched it. I was in China for most
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 9: of the last summer. And I came back after like
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 9: two months. And I asked my friends. I said, okay,
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 9: what have I missed? What do I need to see?
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 9: And like two or three people were like, oh, Rise
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 9: of the Planet of the Apes. It was like the
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 9: best surprise I saw this summer.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 5: People went ape shit, pun intended, over that movie. And
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 5: I don't understand why.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 9: And I don't understand. And everyone's logic was... Well, it
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 9: wasn't that bad. I'm like, but it wasn't that good.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 4: And that's where.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: Expectation comes into it, because if somebody says it's the
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  Speaker 1: best surprise ever, then guess what?
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  Speaker 2: It's not a surprise to you, so it's not going
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  Speaker 2: to be good.
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  Speaker 9: I'm going to like it going in nothing, though.
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  Speaker 2: Because I expected nothing, and I loved it.
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was fun.
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  Speaker 2: Mostly for it being a subversive.
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  Speaker 9: I expected little and got little.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: Anti-bibisection rant.
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  Speaker 5: Made me realize how much I prefer people in ape
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  Speaker 5: makeup than digital apes.
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  Speaker 7: I disagree. I thought the digital stuff was phenomenal.
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  Speaker 13: I thought that the guy, what's his name?
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  Speaker 4: Andy Serkis.
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  Speaker 9: Andy Serkis.
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  Speaker 7: He's good.
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  Speaker 4: He's incredibly talented.
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  Speaker 7: I was completely convinced by.
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  Speaker 13: All of the digital work, I thought it was the
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  Speaker 13: most convincing digital work that I'd even seen.
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  Speaker 4: It looked better than I expected, I'll give you that.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it did look.
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  Speaker 13: And I thought that it was, I mean, not that
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  Speaker 13: this means anything, but it's the best eight movie we've
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  Speaker 13: had since the eight movies.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: It was fun. None of the eight movies were ever masterpieces.
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  Speaker 4: What about Dunstan Checks In? Where does that factor in?
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 9: You still haven't watched Congo on VHS. That's true.
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  Speaker 4: We've got to come back to that.
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  Speaker 7: It steals the scene.
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  Speaker 9: It does.
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  Speaker 4: With all of his accents.
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  Speaker 9: Every time it changes, I take another shot and the
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  Speaker 9: movie gets better.
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  Speaker 12: That's a classic.
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  Speaker 5: Ernie Hudson.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody told me that was great but i knew some
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  Speaker 3: kids who thought it was good and i saw it's
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  Speaker 3: like yeah that's fun i can see why they liked
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  Speaker 3: it yeah um i like to drive but it didn't
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  Speaker 3: really i don't know see.
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  Speaker 2: I worship drive i worship yeah i saw it.
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  Speaker 7: Four times in theaters i.
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  Speaker 2: Think and i never see anything more than one.
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  Speaker 4: I was kind of in the middle i i didn't
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 4: not like it but i don't think maybe again maybe
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  Speaker 4: it was built up too much because i just went
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  Speaker 4: and went It's all right.
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  Speaker 3: I liked it, but it didn't really particularly.
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  Speaker 13: Back when I was making, I make every, at the
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 13: end of every year, like a list of anticipated films
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 13: and try and go for a whole, a total of
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  Speaker 13: 50 and rank them. And, um, and drive was very
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  Speaker 13: near the top precisely because of just this one still
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 13: I had seen.
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  Speaker 7: And that still wasn't even in the movie.
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  Speaker 13: Uh, so I don't know where it came from, but, uh,
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  Speaker 13: it must've been like a set picture or something of
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 13: Ryan Gosling, uh, um, with a toothpick, I guess he
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 13: had his toothpick and Carrie Mulligan, like next to him
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  Speaker 13: with a jacket and a hood and her hands were
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 13: pulling down the jacket.
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  Speaker 7: And she was just sort of like this.
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  Speaker 4: I think I've seen that online.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: This looks so cool. I don't even know what it's about.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 7: And then I saw the cast had Ron Perlman and
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 7: Brian Cranston. And I was like, this is going to
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  Speaker 7: be great.
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  Speaker 13: I hadn't yet figured out that it was the director
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 13: who had done these other great films, hadn't yet figured
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 13: out what the story was going to be. All I
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 13: had heard was something like, here is a movie about
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 13: a heist goes wrong and he ends up in a
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 13: car with the boss's girlfriend. And that's all I knew.
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  Speaker 13: And that's not even what the movie's about. And so
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  Speaker 13: I just went into it thinking that and was just
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 13: totally blown away.
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  Speaker 3: I kind of felt like I knew where it was going.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 3: As soon as I saw his neighbor see her, the
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 3: door down, I'm like, okay, get on with it. I
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 3: know where this is going. And the ending, I don't know,
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 3: I felt like it was, I don't know, it just
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 3: didn't strike me. I had a few issues with the ending,
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 3: not terrible issues. I just didn't feel like it was,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the master stroke.
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  Speaker 5: It didn't.
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  Speaker 3: Catch me off guard or anything. I really liked it.
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 3: I liked the performances.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 4: That was mine.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 5: I just liked the performances. People talk about how there
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 5: weren't any scenes like it was too slow or something.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 5: I mean, for me, that motel scene, I still like.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 5: There's several images in that whole sequence that are stuck
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 5: in my mind forever. It just totally shocked me and
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 5: took me by surprise. I think maybe because I wasn't
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 5: expecting it to be so ultra-violent, and the people who
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 5: weren't as blown away by that, I think, were told
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 5: that it's a really violent, dark movie.
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 4: I think that was part of my expectations.
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  Speaker 9: There's the moment where Albert Brooks kills the one fellow
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 9: in the diner. He just tells Ron Perlman, he's like,
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 9: you clean up your mess. I was like, oh my god!
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 9: This movie.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not even sure why I love it as much
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: as I do.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: The only way I've figured out to explain it to
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: people is that I'm in love with it. The way
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: you fall in love with a person... It's irrational. I
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: value it above other movies. I don't think it can
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: do any wrong when somebody speaks poorly of it.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: I get angry.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, now this makes sense.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: It's just completely irrational, but I connect to it in
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: some way. And Fred, you were saying that you didn't
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: think it does anything new, and I don't think that
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: it does. Well, now I'm just putting words in your mouth,
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: but that we've kind of seen it before.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it didn't catch me off guard is what I'm saying.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: What I really liked about.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: It was I feel like this was a story that
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: we've seen a million times, but from a very different perspective,
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: and that it's the film about... the bad boy that
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: meets the girl and tries to go good, and we
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: see him after he's already met the girl, so we
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: think he's this good guy, and then sort of halfway through,
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: we realize this isn't the guy that we thought he
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: was at all, which is her reaction.
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, there's dozens of film noir that are
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 9: that exact same storyline.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: Catch it at a different moment. And I think that
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: we think that we know what's going on, and then
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: we don't.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: It sort of... It just takes everything from a completely
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: different perspective.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 9: And see, that's actually something that I like, is taking
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 9: a predictable storyline, and then just when you think you
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 9: can have it figured and know exactly where it's going
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 9: to go, it turns the storyline on its head. I mean,
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 9: those are the movies to where I'm always really pleasantly
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 9: surprised by them. Like, okay, this is clever. They've taken
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 9: just a new route, and that was definitely one of
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 9: them for me.
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  Speaker 4: I think we've definitely.
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 4: Gotten quite a bit out of this and again we
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 4: can probably go on for many more episodes so I
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 4: say sequel and then everybody can be disappointed in the
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 4: sequel but yeah I think there's definitely a lot of
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 4: them we didn't get to yet but you know we
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 4: always need to come back to more topics so we'll
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 4: just continue this on somewhere down the road I say
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 4: so anything else to round this one out.
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 9: I love you I figured it But yeah.
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 4: As far as our upcoming plans, as we've previously mentioned,
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 4: a couple weeks out, we will be coming to you live,
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 4: sort of, from the Harry Dean Stanton Fest. So at
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 4: least Lucy and I and whoever else wants to go
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 4: and bother people there, we'll piece together something from the
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 4: festival there and hopefully get one, if not two, cool
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 4: episodes out of it. We'll probably also be mixing it
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 4: up because right about that time, I think the week after,
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 4: we'll be, again, semi-live from Wonderfest. So we've got quite
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 4: a few cool out-into-the-world kind of episodes coming at you.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 4: So those will be probably jumping back and forth weeks
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 4: just to get them all out there and mix it
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 4: up a little bit. So that will be in the
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 4: near future. Otherwise, for this episode, I think that about
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 4: does it. We will return next week. Same geek time,
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  Speaker 4: same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 19: Oh, you shouldn't have done them, you couldn't have done
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  Speaker 19: You wouldn't have done the things you did then We
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 19: could have been.
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  Speaker 8: Happy What a piteous thing, a hideous.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 6: Thing We're stranded by the rest.
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 8: But it won't get any harder And I hope you'll
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 8: find your way again And it won't get any.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 6: Higher And it all boils.
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 8: Down to what you didn't say.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you.
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 19: The night behind, I fled, you're right It was exactly then, it.
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 8: Was exactly then I decided, decided, decided, decided.
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  Speaker 14: You are the night we fight I'm.
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 19: Glad you're right It.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 6: Wasn't just bleeding.
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 5: It wasn't just bleeding I just.
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 14: Died, just died, just died, just died and.
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 19: And it won't be any harder And I hope you'll
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 19: find your way again And it won't get any.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 8: Higher But it all boils down to what you did.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 14: Disappointment Disappointment Disappointment, disappointment. Disappointment, disappointment. All right.
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  Speaker 9: I love you. I didn't get a love you too.
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  Speaker 11: I love you too.
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