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- 0:00You're listening to Strictly Business Podcast with Lindsay Williams.
- 0:042025 was a pretty good year for South Africa.
- 0:08There was stability across many metrics and a sometimes cruel world began looking
- 0:14at the country favourably.
- 0:16And also financial markets, well they had a really good year, particularly
- 0:18government bonds.
- 0:20They had an excellent year.
- 0:222026 was a year to look forward to therefore.
- 0:24And then of course came the war in Iran by the US and Israel, but South Africa.
- 0:28was better prepared to absorb the shock than it has been in the past.
- 0:32And at the end of May, Moody's raised its credit rating for the country to positive
- 0:37from stable.
- 0:39With me now is Ruan Naidoo, Portfolio Manager at 91 in Cape Town.
- 0:42Interesting timing for Moody's, Ruan.
- 0:44Why did they do it now?
- 0:47Yes, let me just step back and give you some context to this Moody's decision.
- 0:52So South Africa has been a sub-investment grade rated country.
- 0:58ever since 2020 when Moody's was the last rating agency to take us into
- 1:04sub-investment credit.
- 1:06Since then, we've had positive turnaround in our fiscal picture due to very
- 1:12conservative
- 1:14and very constructive budgets out of national treasury, very strong spending
- 1:18constraint as well.
- 1:20And what this has meant is that we've seen an improvement.
- 1:23And in February of this year, S&P...
- 1:27was the first rating agency to upgrade our rating to two notches below investment
- 1:34grade and
- 1:36retain a positive rating outlook.
- 1:38So this put them on the same footing as Moody's at BB flat.
- 1:42So what Moody's has done last week is just upgrade the outlook to positive.
- 1:50And that really is an acknowledgement of the steadfast commitment to fiscal
- 1:56consolidation and to getting out.
- 1:58debt to GDP trajectory lower over time, as well as the ongoing policy reforms, you
- 2:02know,
- 2:03supporting this revision.
- 2:05And also a pretty steadfast affirmation of the work of the South African Reserve Bank
- 2:09as well.
- 2:09I mean, Lesecha Kanyago has recently given a speech highlighting the role of monetary
- 2:16policy when
- 2:18combating external shocks, for example, and it was very well received.
- 2:19And the South African Reserve Bank in the face of global inflation headwinds and
- 2:26local inflation headwinds as well.
- 2:28has sort of got ahead of the curve.
- 2:28It's acted early, and that's been very well received.
- 2:32Yes, completely.
- 2:33So entering this crisis, the backdrop was that we had moved our inflation target
- 2:39from
- 2:404.5% to 3%.
- 2:42At the same time, we were retaining a policy rate or a repo rate at around
- 2:486.75%,
- 2:50which means a very attractive, positive real interest rate setting by the Reserve
- 2:54Bank.
- 2:54What this was able to achieve was also a lowering of inflation expectations.
- 3:00So the BER inflation expectation survey had the two-year out forecast at
- 3:07a very low 3.6%, which is a real affirmation of the
- 3:12Reserve Bank's aims to anchor inflation at 3%.
- 3:17So what this meant was that coming into this crisis, we had high positive real
- 3:22interest trades,
- 3:24which meant that
- 3:26The Reserve Bank was able to skip a hike at the March meeting on the back of huge
- 3:31uncertainty about what was going to happen with the Strait of Hormuz.
- 3:36But now those hopes of an early opening have clearly faded.
- 3:41And that uncertainty has actually turned to more certainty that we're going to have
- 3:47an extended period of higher oil
- 3:49prices.
- 3:51So not only has the Strait remained closed.
- 3:53But we've also seen infrastructure damage and a depletion of stocks that will have
- 3:58to be replenished in terms of oil
- 4:00inventories.
- 4:02And all of this means that oil prices and output prices from that gulf are going to
- 4:05be
- 4:05elevated for some period of time.
- 4:07So the Reserve Bank has decided to hike interest rates by 25 basis points at the
- 4:14last MPC
- 4:16meeting.
- 4:18And might actually hike again in the next meeting,
- 4:20just to keep inflation expectations anchored and to prevent second round
- 4:27effects from spilling through the rest of the basket
- 4:29of inflation.
- 4:31So monetary policy seems to be in good hands.
- 4:33What about the fiscal side of things?
- 4:35How is South Africa performing?
- 4:37Because obviously, that's part of the Moody's decision as well.
- 4:39Fiscal stability?
- 4:41Yes.
- 4:43Debt to GDP in South Africa has stabilized,
- 4:45and this is the first time it has stabilized since the 2008 global financial
- 4:47crisis.
- 4:49For the last three years, South Africa has been able to post a primary surplus.
- 4:54That means excluding our interest costs.
- 4:58The government is spending less than it takes from revenue.
- 5:03So that clearly demonstrates that South Africa is able to achieve, deliver on
- 5:09fiscal targets,
- 5:11as well as structural reform.
- 5:13Of course, now we enter a shock and there are some buffers.
- 5:17So, for instance, some of this fiscal space that we have has been used to
- 5:23support the consumer.
- 5:25the removal of fuel taxes for a brief period of time.
- 5:28That's going to cost the fiscal $17 billion.
- 5:31But our fiscal performance still reflects continued improvement.
- 5:37You know, if we look at just the most recent annual deficit, so the main budget
- 5:44deficit,
- 5:46you know, government estimated that it would be 4.6% at the end of February at
- 5:49the budget.
- 5:50It turned out to be 4.3%. So we outperformed last year's budget.
- 5:55And then starting this year, you know, the first month of the fiscal year, April,
- 5:59confirms this outperformance is intact in that tax revenues were 5.9 billion higher
- 6:06than
- 6:06was actually forecasted.
- 6:08So that's the revenue side of things.
- 6:11And then if you turn to the expenditure side of things, that's also very well
- 6:17anchored and somewhat insulated from higher inflation.
- 6:19You know, a big portion of our expenditure goes to public sector wages.
- 6:21And that has, it's governed by an agreement that lasts until 2027 to 2028.
- 6:28So that should be insulated from the increase in inflation.
- 6:34And then there have been other improvements across the board in terms of
- 6:40improving the quality of expenditure
- 6:42and reducing wasteful expenditure.
- 6:43One of the positive consequences of the closure of the Strait and the war on Iran
- 6:50is certain commodities doing rather well.
- 6:52certain commodities that have strong South African links.
- 6:52I mean, for example, coal is well above its historic average, as is gold.
- 6:58So that has implications, of course, for terms of trade.
- 7:01They're a tailwind, but of course, they're cyclical.
- 7:05They are cyclical.
- 7:07You know, you could look at, for instance,
- 7:09gold as potentially being part of a broader central bank diversification
- 7:16strategy that is
- 7:18diversifying away from extensive dollar exposure.
- 7:20So that might have more endurance over the medium term in terms of its upward trend.
- 7:26Of course, in the short term, it would be governed by excessive positioning and
- 7:33retail optimism around
- 7:35that asset class.
- 7:37But over the medium to long term, that should remain intact.
- 7:38The other commodities to mention, platinum and palladium,
- 7:41have seen remarkable increases over the last year.
- 7:46And what this has really meant for South Africa is that...
- 7:50You know, from a currency perspective,
- 7:52our export basket has insulated the increase in oil prices.
- 7:57So, terms of trade, which was a massive tailwind for the South African rand last
- 8:03year,
- 8:04is actually acting as a source of support this year and actually keeping the
- 8:10currency
- 8:11quite well behaved compared to what you might have thought, given the largest
- 8:18disruption to energy supply.
- 8:20supply since the 1970s.
- 8:22What about food?
- 8:24Food inflation affects South Africa at two levels.
- 8:25At street level, of course, everyone's basket goes up.
- 8:28But what about the macro level as well?
- 8:30Is this a red flag for you, food inflation, Ruan?
- 8:34Food inflation is a concern and it remains a concern of the Reserve Bank as well.
- 8:39So it's important to note that they have their focus on this particular aspect of
- 8:45the basket.
- 8:45I think the outlook for food prices...
- 8:47has started to deteriorate largely because of fertilizer shortages and
- 8:54also because diesel is a massive part of the food supply chain.
- 8:58Your products have to be transported from place to place and that has a diesel input
- 9:02cost.
- 9:03And some farmers have said at these prices, it's probably not worth planting
- 9:09for the next season.
- 9:11And that's just part of it, the Strait of Hormuz and its impact on food prices.
- 9:13Then there's another part of it, which the Reserve Bank have their eyes on.
- 9:17And this is the potential formation of El Nino weather system.
- 9:22Now, this could bring drought next year to various parts of the country.
- 9:26So it does remain a concern.
- 9:28And this will be one of the hawkish elements within the central bank's
- 9:33forecast outlook.
- 9:35My final question to you, Ruan, is this.
- 9:36How long can South Africa survive with an oil price between $90 and $100 per barrel?
- 9:41The state of Hormuz, as you said earlier on, doesn't look like it's going to be
- 9:46free.
- 9:48to shipping anytime soon.
- 9:49So if oil remains elevated or, heaven forbid, goes even higher, when does it
- 9:55become a serious problem for South Africa?
- 9:57That's a difficult one to answer.
- 9:59You know, the economies have proven to be remarkably dynamic.
- 10:04You know, if you had told any oil analyst that the Strait of Hormuz would be closed
- 10:10for three months,
- 10:12you know, they would have told you that oil is going to $150 to $200 a barrel.
- 10:16So why hasn't it gone up there?
- 10:18There are two main pieces to that.
- 10:20One is that inventories have been drawn down aggressively and that supported the
- 10:25market.
- 10:25And the other is that there's been demand destruction, particularly in Asia, where
- 10:31you've seen a reduced demand.
- 10:33For instance, China now imports five million barrels less per day than they
- 10:36used to.
- 10:37So that's potentially how it would manifest in South Africa as well.
- 10:41You would have to see massive demand destruction.
- 10:45And, you know, that should feed through into the growth outlook in SA more than
- 10:51anything else.
- 10:53we are comforted that the central bank will...
- 10:55will lean against any second round effects from energy price disruptions.
- 11:00But yeah, the pain would be felt in our growth outlook.
- 11:04And then it would come down to really whether fiscal policy remains committed to
- 11:11keeping the debt
- 11:13trajectory on a downward outlook.
- 11:14And we remain convinced of that in line with the rating agencies who, you know, as
- 11:19I said earlier,
- 11:21have decided to put us on positive outlook despite this shock.
- 11:23Ruan, thank you very much for your insight.
- 11:24Ruan Naidoo is a portfolio manager at 91 in Cape Town.
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