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3 Brothers Live Alone in Apartment With Little Boy's Corpse · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Did a seemingly perfectly normal
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  Speaker 1: thirty one year old guy turn into a gangster wannabe
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  Speaker 1: and terrorize his longtime girlfriend's children as she just stood by?
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  Speaker 1: Did she need a man that badly? Crime Stories with
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. First of all, take a listen to our
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  Speaker 1: friends at CBS twelve. The talk floor apartment now quiet
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  Speaker 1: only a notice from CPS taped to the door. According
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  Speaker 1: to Harris County Sheriff's Office, to call Kman Sunday from
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  Speaker 1: a fifteen year old boy. He says he and his brothers,
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  Speaker 1: just ten and seven years old, had been abandoned by
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  Speaker 1: their parents. Their nine year old brother's body was in
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  Speaker 1: the apartment with them. Deputies are now interviewing the mother
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  Speaker 1: and her boyfriend, and it appears the skeletal remains have
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  Speaker 1: been there for an extended a period of time, so,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just connecting all the dots at this point,
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  Speaker 1: it seems that they were in there while the body
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  Speaker 1: was to your reading. Samantha lives two floors below the
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  Speaker 1: unit where the boys were found with her own kids.
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  Speaker 1: She says she didn't even know children lived in the apartment.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't even know if someone even stayed there. I
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  Speaker 1: thought it was a bad na, like, you know, just
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  Speaker 1: like it was just an empty apartment or whatever. And
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  Speaker 1: so now he was like, oh wow, people was living
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  Speaker 1: up there. At CPS is also investigating alongside law enforcement.
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  Speaker 1: The boys weren't taken to an area hospital to be treated.
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  Speaker 1: Christian Gomez has three boys of his own. I'm so shocking, like,
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  Speaker 1: like what about the parents? What about all this there?
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  Speaker 1: Like like I'm gonna worry him like a kid, like
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  Speaker 1: I got kids, you know, like like leaving parents to
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  Speaker 1: wonder who would do this to these young boys? I
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  Speaker 1: am too think about it. Three children living there, fifteen
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  Speaker 1: year old and two little brothers ten and seven, while
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  Speaker 1: in the next room is their dead eight year old brother.
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  Speaker 1: And they live this way for months and months and months,
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  Speaker 1: maybe over a year. Take a listen again to our
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  Speaker 1: friends at CBS twelve. A living nightmare inside this apartment,
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  Speaker 1: filled with twisted secrets. Neighbors knew the situation in this
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  Speaker 1: apartment wasn't normal, but they never imagine the true horror inside.
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  Speaker 1: Three boys abandoned by their mother, living with the remains
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  Speaker 1: of what investigators believed to be their dead sibling. I
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  Speaker 1: never saw those other keys. The Harris County Sheriff's office
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  Speaker 1: says the rent kept getting paid, but the mother hasn't
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  Speaker 1: been back in months. Fifteen year olds relying on his
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  Speaker 1: neighbor Erica Chapman, who started giving him food six months ago.
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  Speaker 1: You would not eat anything that you made. Um. You
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  Speaker 1: had to buy it, like had to be a salad
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  Speaker 1: that was closed from the store or a pizza through
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  Speaker 1: had to still be in a bag. Another resident at
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  Speaker 1: City Park two at wes Stoakes apartment, Troy Thompson, also
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  Speaker 1: was feeding him. He once got a glance inside the
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  Speaker 1: apartments just like trash, like the Brief and Cheers piece
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  Speaker 1: of boxes without electricity. The fifteen year olds asked Thompson
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  Speaker 1: to charge a cell phone shortly before calling nine one
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  Speaker 1: one on Sunday the last time. And I saw the phone,
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  Speaker 1: I asked, is everything as you say so? And then
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  Speaker 1: I asked you rolling somewhere? He saved properly and then
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  Speaker 1: he walked away about seven minutes later. The Party School
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  Speaker 1: investigators say the skeletal remains have been in the apartment
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  Speaker 1: for a year. Chapman and Thompson had no idea about
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  Speaker 1: the dark secrets. The fifteen year old was living with.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you think he had a talk people he
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  Speaker 1: had father to finding out what happened yesterday. I think
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  Speaker 1: he was more nervous and scared. Are they going to
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  Speaker 1: bring me for this? From my parents? Going to punish
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  Speaker 1: you for this? The fifteen year old older brother Jordan,
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  Speaker 1: his ten year old little brother Trevan, and Javon seven
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  Speaker 1: years old, all living in that home. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: those children had to know how wrong their life was,
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  Speaker 1: living in an abandoned apartment with their dead brother in
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  Speaker 1: the other room, and seeing other children their age having
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  Speaker 1: normal lives, but knowing we're not like that, having to
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  Speaker 1: deal with that day after day after day, with me
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  Speaker 1: an all star panel to try and make sense of this.
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  Speaker 1: Jason Campo, Chief Prosecutor, joining us out of Texas, Cameron County.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Alan Blocky, PhD. Joining US out of Birmingham for
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  Speaker 1: forensic psychologist Josh Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
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  Speaker 1: an author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and
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  Speaker 1: Sabrina Fazzon, four time Emmy Award winning anchor and reporter
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  Speaker 1: at Serena Fazon News Serena. It's really hard for me
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  Speaker 1: to take this in Where was mommy and daddy? I
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  Speaker 1: know me too, Nancy. It's just so awful. Can you
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  Speaker 1: believe that they lived twenty five minutes away or so?
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  Speaker 1: Why were they in a different home than their own kids.
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  Speaker 1: It's just so hard to imagine. And if you had
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  Speaker 1: mentioned earlier and we heard those reports, this had been
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  Speaker 1: going on for months, months, maybe nearly a year, and
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  Speaker 1: they were down the street. Did you notice a Serena Fazon,
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  Speaker 1: this guy, the so called a boyfriend of the mother,
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  Speaker 1: had suddenly decided he wanted to be a gangster, or
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  Speaker 1: at least give the appearance of being a gangster. Did
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  Speaker 1: you see his appearance change? How suddenly he's uh sporting
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  Speaker 1: gold teeth and covered himself with tattoos and chains just
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  Speaker 1: out of the blue. What happened to him? He turned
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  Speaker 1: into overnight badass? Or so he thought? What's so? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: how much of a badass do you have to be
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  Speaker 1: to beat up an eight year old little boy? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, this is what we know, or what I
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  Speaker 1: think I know, Serena Fazon, you tell me if I'm wrong.
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  Speaker 1: But apparently he broke one little boy's jaw, killed one
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  Speaker 1: little boy, age eight, and left the other gripped with fear,
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  Speaker 1: while mommy, who was also a POS as a technical
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  Speaker 1: legal term, stood by and watched and let it happen
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  Speaker 1: to her children. It's you, Nancy, You've described it. That's
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  Speaker 1: what That's what the deputies are saying. And what's even
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  Speaker 1: more horrifying is that they believe that the ten year
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  Speaker 1: old witnessed the beating of his little brother and the
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  Speaker 1: mother apparently told her boyfriend she wanted she wanted to
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  Speaker 1: get help, but then she she told her not to,
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  Speaker 1: and of course she listened. Just like what you said
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  Speaker 1: at the very beginning of the show, Did she really
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  Speaker 1: need a man that much? It's crazy. Well, I guarantee
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  Speaker 1: you this is not going to rise to the level
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  Speaker 1: of legal insanity, and her decision to live twenty five
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  Speaker 1: minutes away from her three boys and its self is
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  Speaker 1: felony child neglect and abuse. Take a listen to Aurica
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  Speaker 1: one A. This is zach territory a khou eleven, a
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  Speaker 1: children's playground. He was sleeping on the side. Chapman says
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  Speaker 1: she first met the fifteen year old boy who were
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  Speaker 1: told called nine to one, claiming he and his siblings
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  Speaker 1: had been living with the remains of their brother in
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  Speaker 1: the room next to his and I asked him if
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  Speaker 1: he was hungry, and he said yeah. I brought him
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  Speaker 1: out some food in some drinks. Harris County deputies discovered
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  Speaker 1: that fifteen year old boy, along with a seven and
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  Speaker 1: ten year old boy, and tragically the remains of another
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  Speaker 1: young child. Honestly, I'm disgusted if I knew something was
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  Speaker 1: wrong with any of those kids out and took all
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  Speaker 1: of them. The neighbors had no idea, And that is
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  Speaker 1: a big sign to you, Jason Campo. You and I
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  Speaker 1: have both worked so meanly child abuse and child neglect cases.
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  Speaker 1: When neighbors don't even know children lived there, there's something
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  Speaker 1: way wrong. It shows that this has been going on
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  Speaker 1: for years and years, and the fact that the fifteen
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  Speaker 1: year old lived in the apartment for a year with
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  Speaker 1: his other brothers and the body of his deceased brother
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  Speaker 1: and didn't call until now shows that this is a
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  Speaker 1: mindset that those kids have been exposed to some kind
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  Speaker 1: of abuse since they were really really young, because they
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  Speaker 1: didn't even know that this was inappropriate. Time stories with
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace to doctor Allan Blockey, PhD, forensic psychologist joining
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  Speaker 1: us out of Birmingham doctor Blockkeey, why do you need
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  Speaker 1: a man that badly, a guy who's going to beat
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  Speaker 1: your children, kill one of your children and insists you
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  Speaker 1: of twenty five minutes away and leaving the boys and
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  Speaker 1: apartment with no air conditioned, no heat, nothing. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: mean it shows you how disturbed and out of touch
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  Speaker 1: this mother was, and how neglectful and abuse if she
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  Speaker 1: was at the same time. I mean, it's just it's
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  Speaker 1: it's really almost an unbelievable case. Right, It's one of
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  Speaker 1: the worst ones I've heard of where she just totally
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  Speaker 1: left these kids behind. I don't know if she's involved
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  Speaker 1: in drug abuse or whether she's No. No, because this blocky,
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  Speaker 1: if she were involved in drug abuse, Number one, that
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  Speaker 1: it's not a defense under the law, your voluntary use
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  Speaker 1: of drugs. That's not excuse you or justify your crimes.
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  Speaker 1: That's on you. But you know, a lot of juries
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  Speaker 1: might think, oh, well, she was out of her mind
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  Speaker 1: on drugs. She didn't know what she was doing. This
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  Speaker 1: woman was not high on drugs. Look at her. She's
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  Speaker 1: perfectly healthy looking, living with this boyfriend, and she knew
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  Speaker 1: what was happening there. She is and all of her makeup,
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  Speaker 1: her hair has been colored, she's got on nice clothes,
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  Speaker 1: b ass on that blockkey, don't give her a pass claiming, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: she's drug addled. She didn't use drugs. No, I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to be misunderstood. I wasn't trying to give her
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  Speaker 1: a pass. I was just trying to just trying to
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  Speaker 1: figure out exactly what the factors are that are leading
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  Speaker 1: to her neglectful and abusive behavior, because there's really no
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  Speaker 1: clear explanation for it other than that, why do you
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  Speaker 1: always go and stick your nose in your DSM? What
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  Speaker 1: does that stand for? Diagnostic? What statistical manual? That? It's
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  Speaker 1: a book, guys, it's about that big. When it was prose,
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  Speaker 1: King was constantly looking up mental disorders to find out
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  Speaker 1: what they meant. Do they rise to the level of insanity? No,
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  Speaker 1: it's like you're narcissistic a personality disorder. You know what
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  Speaker 1: that means? You're self centered like narcissists in Greek mythology,
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  Speaker 1: all he could be interested in was his own reflection
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  Speaker 1: in the pool. His whole world was about himself. That's
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  Speaker 1: not insanity. That's called self centered. And this mother is
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  Speaker 1: not insane. She stood by Wait, let's bring it all home.
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  Speaker 1: Joe Scott, Mo're gonna listen to this. The children claim
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  Speaker 1: the boyfriend, Coulter struck their eight year old brother. Joe Scott,
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  Speaker 1: do you remember when your child, your children were eight
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  Speaker 1: years old? How little and defenseless strike the eight year
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  Speaker 1: old with closed fist kicked him in the face, feet, back, testicles,
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  Speaker 1: and buttocks. Wait a minute, wait, the seven year old
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  Speaker 1: son tells deputies. Culter continued kicking Kendrick, now dead, who
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  Speaker 1: was then lying on the floor and not moving it
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  Speaker 1: while staring at the other little brother who was in
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  Speaker 1: the room. What did you hear? What happened to him?
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  Speaker 1: Just Scott, Yes, ma'am I did. And let me kind
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  Speaker 1: of break this down a little bit. Absolutely hate him,
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  Speaker 1: and let me think what juristiction this is Texas. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: he can get the death penalty and so can that. Sorry, mother, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead. Yeah. You know the thing about this is
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  Speaker 1: we've heard that the body of this poor young child
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  Speaker 1: will skeletonize Nancy. And they're totally skeletonized. Well that's what
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  Speaker 1: they're saying, at least that's what they're implying. And they're
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  Speaker 1: talking about you know what, and they're talking about blunt
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  Speaker 1: force trauma. You know what that tells me? This is
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  Speaker 1: even more insidious. They're telling me by saying that that,
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  Speaker 1: since they don't have any soft tissue to examine to
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  Speaker 1: look for bruises, this kid's probably got multiple and I
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  Speaker 1: mean multiple fractures over the extent of his body. You're
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  Speaker 1: talking about kicking him in the testicles, he could have
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  Speaker 1: a fracture for actual pelvis. You're talking about punching me
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  Speaker 1: in the face. The facial bones can be broken. He's
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  Speaker 1: probably been stomped on. He's probably got broken ribs, this
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  Speaker 1: sort of thing. This is still visible after a year, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: He's decomposed to the point down to where he is
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  Speaker 1: a skeleton in the adjacent room. And what's really chilling
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  Speaker 1: about this, Nancy. When we work in the morgue, we
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  Speaker 1: get to see horrible things, but you know what, at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the day, we get to leave. These
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  Speaker 1: kids had to endwell this residence with a decomposing body
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  Speaker 1: of their sibling. Jason Campo, I don't know if you've
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  Speaker 1: ever felt that I feel right now, but there were
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  Speaker 1: times in trial, and it got worse and worse over
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  Speaker 1: my ten years prosecuting in Inner City, Atlanta. As my
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  Speaker 1: case has became more and more evil and complex, sometimes
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  Speaker 1: I would hate to even say the case to the jury,
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  Speaker 1: and I have to screw myself up to actually or
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  Speaker 1: rate what I knew because it's so horrible. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you've ever had that feeling, but I'm sitting
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  Speaker 1: here about to tell you a fact, and I hate it.
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  Speaker 1: I hate it. It leaves a horrible, horrible taste in
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  Speaker 1: my mouth. But when police arrived at the apartment, they
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  Speaker 1: find one child with a swollen jaw. The boy said
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  Speaker 1: his mother knew about the injury, but did not seek
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  Speaker 1: or get medical aid for him. Here we go. The
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  Speaker 1: ten year old son told investigators that when Williams came by,
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  Speaker 1: that is his mother, Gloria Williams. She lifted the blanket
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  Speaker 1: off eight year old Kendrick and found his body feet
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  Speaker 1: and teeth. I turned into a skeleton. That his quote
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  Speaker 1: here was off and his corpse was covered with cockroaches. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: wait a minute, let it sink in. She pulled the
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  Speaker 1: blanket back and saw her son skeletonized, covered in roaches,
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  Speaker 1: and what if anything did she do? She left? She
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  Speaker 1: left with her other son with a swollen jaw and
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  Speaker 1: did not seek or obtain medical help. May she wrought
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  Speaker 1: in hell along with her good for nothing boyfriend. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: there you go. I don't even know how to respond
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  Speaker 1: to something like that, because it truly is one of
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  Speaker 1: those cases that when it lands on your desk and
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  Speaker 1: you read it for the first time and you try
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  Speaker 1: to understand it all how you're going to start to
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  Speaker 1: go forward with it, you feel kind of off mentally
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  Speaker 1: after you read it, and you have to say, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, I'm going to let this sit for
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  Speaker 1: a couple of days and then come back to it
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  Speaker 1: and try to, I guess, desensitize yourself so you can
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  Speaker 1: start to prepare to take it to trial, because this
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  Speaker 1: is one of those cases where both of these people
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  Speaker 1: deserve what is coming to them, you know. Serena Fason,
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  Speaker 1: people often say to me, why don't you smile when
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  Speaker 1: you're on TV? Are they crazy? I mean, at first,
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  Speaker 1: I go and I wouldn't say anything back, But finally
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  Speaker 1: I was asked that so many times, why don't you
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  Speaker 1: smile and soften up when you're on TV? If somebody
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  Speaker 1: could smile through these facts, I don't hear anything they
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  Speaker 1: have to say. Because they're a big fake. How can
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  Speaker 1: you smile when you're recounting something like this, I don't
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  Speaker 1: get it. You've had to be on TV many, many
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  Speaker 1: times telling horrific stories. I've never seen you actually grimace,
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  Speaker 1: but you certainly don't deliver it with a smile. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't trusting any mind that could smile through this.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely not. I know. I mean honestly, Nancy, there husband
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  Speaker 1: sometimes that I actually cried on the air. But I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how people can't smile for crying. Yeah, I know, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I mean it's it is hard sometimes I
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  Speaker 1: have to say, though, And you know, with news transitioning
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  Speaker 1: from one story to the next and changing you know,
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  Speaker 1: your facial expression, so that can be difficult the time.
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  Speaker 1: But just I'm sitting here with goosebumps and in shock,
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  Speaker 1: trying to absorb everything with what these poor kids had
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  Speaker 1: gone through. Time Stories with Nancy Grace, Serena Fazio, Scott,
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  Speaker 1: Doctor block Key, Jason Camper, everybody jump in. Please, there's
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  Speaker 1: no formality here. I'm not a drinker or a gambler,
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  Speaker 1: but I'll tell you after this case, I swear I
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  Speaker 1: could use a drink and I mean a big drink,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't even know what I would order, Doctor
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  Speaker 1: Alan Blockett. I think that's why lawyers have such a
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  Speaker 1: high rate of alcohol, isn't drug dependency and suicide because
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  Speaker 1: we see the horrificness of this case is just mind boggling,
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  Speaker 1: and I think we're all reflecting that in the comments
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  Speaker 1: that we're making. Our our visceral reaction to it is
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  Speaker 1: so extreme because it's such an extreme case, and to
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  Speaker 1: it is normal. What, Serena, what I was going to say?
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  Speaker 1: You know this qu fifteen year old, right, we all
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  Speaker 1: depend on our moms to protect us. So here he
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  Speaker 1: is living in these conditions, waiting and waiting and waiting,
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  Speaker 1: hoping his mother would come to his defense, and instead,
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  Speaker 1: here he is, at only fifteen, taking care of his
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  Speaker 1: two little brothers, and his mother never ever ever came forward.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's pathetic. Guys. Take a listen to Eric
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  Speaker 1: cut one day. This is zach Tartari khou eleven. According
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  Speaker 1: to the Harris County Sheriff's Office, the mother of the
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  Speaker 1: boys and her boyfriend were brought in for questioning but released.
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  Speaker 1: Child Protective Services send us this statement that says, in part,
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  Speaker 1: the agency is seeking emergency custody of the three boys. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: he wouldn't talk about his parents. Erica says she didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to push the boy too hard with questions, hoping
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  Speaker 1: he would open up to her, because I did not
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  Speaker 1: want him not to come to me for food. If
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  Speaker 1: you're that hungry, I want him to keep coming through.
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  Speaker 1: At least I know he was eating. The neighbors cared
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  Speaker 1: more about this fifteen year old than the mother, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't hear about anybody feeding the other children, the
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  Speaker 1: ten year old and the seven year old. I wonder
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  Speaker 1: if the fifteen year old would take the food back
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  Speaker 1: to them. Did I just hear that straight? Would you
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  Speaker 1: play the beginning of that one more time? Please? Uh, Tyler,
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  Speaker 1: please play the beginning of one B one more time.
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  Speaker 1: According to the Harris County Sheriff's Office, the mother of
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  Speaker 1: the boys and her boyfriend were brought in for questioning.
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  Speaker 1: But release. Okay, there, right there, right there, you're released. Released.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, we don't say OMG on crime stories, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: but that is released. What how did those two get
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  Speaker 1: out of jail? Serena help me? Well, definitely said at
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: the beginning that they didn't have enough evidence to keep
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: them Nancy, Oh, other than the eyewitnesses that saw the
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: boyfriend beat the child dead. Oh, and listen to this.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Listen to this, doctor Alan Blockkey. Hold on, I've I've
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: got to quote it verbatim. The little boy witness said
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: he watched his little eight year old brother, Kendrick Lee,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: stop blinking during the assault, the kicking assault where he
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: was kicked in the stomach, the back, the rear end,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: and the genitals, the boyfriend, the stepfather, And he watched
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: as his little brother quit blinking. And I don't know
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: why it came to mind, doctor Blockkey. My daughter at night,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: she goes good night, and she closes her eyes like
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: a little princess. She looks like a sleeping beauty. She
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: just lies there all night and doesn't move, just perfectly
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: with their little face, perfectly composed. My son kicks like
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: a wild animal. But I've watched him fall asleep and
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: he looks and he looks soften to the distance. The
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: lights might be off, and then he closes his eyes
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: and he's asleep. That's how he falls asleep. And I'll
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: never forget either of them, the way they fall asleep
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: as babies, as children, And now you got this brother
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: saying I was watching my little brother, I was watching
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Kendricks and I saw his eyes stop blinking while my
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: stepfather was kicking him dead. What more information did they
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: need to hear? I mean, I didn't help us in yeah,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Jason Campo, What more information did they need? The only
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: thing I can think of it at this point with
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: that is sometimes they wait until interviewers for the children
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: can come in and do it in a more sterile setting,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: and the police don't just instantly go right to the
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: children and start questioning them and asking them. So the
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: only thing I can think of is maybe they hadn't
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: done those interviews yet with the children when they had
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: the parents in there the first time, and that's why
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: they let them go the first time, until they actually
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: got to talk to the children. Mother and boyfriend charged
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: in boy's death and siblings abandonment in upscale Houston apartment
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: released released Serena Bazon. Why in the world would they
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: let them out? You know, I mean, honestly, what was
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: just said did make sense. Perhaps they did not have
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: a chance to talk to the children first, and investigators
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: before and arrest they do want to make sure that
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: they have a case. But I'm still stunned with this one, Nancy,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: that they were actually released. I mean, don't understand it either.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: I don't understand why they would be released the first time.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: They're on a razor's edge with these other children, because
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: this other child has been murdered, all right, what's to
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: say that these other two kids would not also fall
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: to the same fate because they're they're essentially witnesses. They've
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: been ongoing witnesses for over a year to what's going
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: on with this body, and to eliminate them would just
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: you know, bolster any kind of case that the perpetrator
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: might have to prove their innocence or to thwart the
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: prosecutors from from further prosecuting them. You know, I can't believe.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: I'm stunned. I get sick to my stomach, particularly when
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: when child family are involved, of child Family Services are involved. Yeah,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: speaking as CPS, how come nobody noticed when the eight
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: year old was no longer in school? And why cples
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: go visit the home? Who's that that, you, Serena? Yeah,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: that's a very interesting point, because you know what came
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: up was there was an issue with truancy. Right, but
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: because of this whole unprecedented time with COVID, even that
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: department said, even though that department said that many cases
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: fell through the cracks and investing, when people say admitted
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: to that, that is all. That's a technical legal term.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Another one, Jason Campo, that means somebody didn't do their job.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: It just slipped through the cracks. B s. You threw
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: it through the cracks. You neglected to do your job.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: That's what face masks. That's what these are for, so
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: you can get out there and do your job. That's
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: absolutely right. You know, there is no excuse for that.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: And I don't know what happened there in the breakdown
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: of that, but somebody also needs to look into that too. Guys,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: take a listen to our friend and cut three and
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Alaya ruiz Kho. You listen the Medical Examiner's office releasing
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: the cause of death for that nine year old little boy,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: ruling his death homicidal violence with multiple blunt force injuries.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: The boy has not been identified at this time. We've
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: also learned the boys attended a lefist. The school district
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: says the last time they were in school was in
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: May of twenty twenty. They never went back to school
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: after that. The school district says they made several attempts
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: to contact a mother, even visited the apartment back in
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: September of twenty twenty, but they were not able to
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: reach anyone. The school district says the mother had two
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: truancy cases for two of the boys. One case was
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: for twenty nineteen and the second was for twenty twenty,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: but the cases were not prosecuted by the Harris County
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: DA's office during the pandemic. So everybody's blaming the pandemic,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: all right, and we'll wait. You know how I feel
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: about politics, and I don't want to drag that into
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: the murder of a little eight year old boy. But
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, anybody on the panel, anybody
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: in the studio. I know you can't wait to correct me.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Are there are no more mandates? I know they're not
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: in Florida? What about in Texas? Do you have to
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: wear a mask? Do you have to get the vaccine?
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: So they're blaming the pandemic, but they're they're not worried
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: about wearing a mask or vaccine. What's the story on that?
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: How can you blame the pandemic. If you're not worried
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: about it, anybody feel free to jump in. Jason Campo,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: You're in Texas. What's happening? So the mask mandate, there
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: is not a statewide one right now. Some school districts
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: individually are trying to still enforce them, but there is
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: nothing that is statewide right now that is mandated for
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: schools to be open or in any instance like that. Wait,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: there's no mandate for schools to be open. There's no
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: mandate that they have to wear masks. The CPS is
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: still hiding behind the pandemic. That's why they didn't do
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: their job, is that what they're saying. Very hard to
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: believe that these children were not on CPS's radar prior
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: to these events. There was merely a truancy issue. This
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: is ongoing abuse that was going on for a protracted
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: period of time. Nancy, the fact that they would actually
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: have the audacity to talk about the COVID epidemic relative
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: to this is absolutely intellectually insulting. Said it so much
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: better than I did. Just got more trial that the
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, take a listen to
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: our cut eight this is Sergeant Dennis Walford. Listen, nine
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: year old does have an injury to the jaw that
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: we can believe was close to his jaw by the
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: boyfriend Brian Coulter several weeks ago. There was no medical
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: attention given for that injury. Um that that injury is
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: going to cause or is he's gonna have to have
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: surgery and that surgery will happen soon. Um. They were
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: very thin. Uh. You know. One of the first things
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: I asked them what they are they hug and they
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: said they were And first thing I don't know is
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: because we're cops, are what? But they wanted donuts, so
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: we immediately went and got them Shipley's Donuts. But there's
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: the physical injury that was evident to the nine year old.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: You know that that's the only real over a sign
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: of trauma to them as far as far as physical.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Let me go to an expert in Texas Donuts is
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Jason Campo joining US Chief Prosecutor out of Cameron County.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Jason is what a ship please like Krispy Kreme is
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: to Georgia, Shipley is to Texas? What a ship please Dinuts?
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: It is? Ship Leaves is a is more like a
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Dunkin Donuts here, but we have Shipley's all over the
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: state of Texas. That's a very popular donut. I mean
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: it's the cakey kind. Yes, okay, yeah, I don't like that.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: I like the crispy cream kind. But I have never
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: refused a donut of any sort. So I need to
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: come and do an exploratory search of Shipley's Donuts. And
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: you guys out there, and Dodor Blokey, you may be
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: able to help me. Jason, Joe Scott Serena. You may
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: wonder why that lieutenant, excuse me, Sergeant Dennis Wofford laughed
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: about the boys wanting Shipley's donuts. You know why, because
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: sometimes it is so overwhelming you can either just get
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: dragged down into it and never get back out, or
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: you can find something every once in a while to
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: smile about. And you know, to you Jason Campo many
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: many times, many times and even to this day, truly
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: close friends and I at the District Attorney's office. We
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: don't talk about the cases because they are very upsetting
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: and I could be, you know, prepping for a trial.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Of course, I wouldn't eat lunch during a trial, but
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: prepping for a trial, and I would have a sale
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: with some money and we would talk about everything but
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: the case, because it can take you down a dark
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: hole of depression and you can hardly get back out again. So,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: you know, God bless Ship Pleas Donuts for that one
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: moment the sergeant could smile during this investigation. Did you
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: experience that? I definitely we do. I think it's an
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: unspoken rule among profecutors that when you go to lunch
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: or when you sit down and have lunch together, you
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: talk about anything other than what you're actually working on.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: The thing that made me smile when he said the
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Ship pleas Donuts is that it just amazes me the
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: spirit of these children who have gone through this horrific,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: horrific thing that I can't even wrap my mind around either,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: and they still just want a ship, please don't right, Like,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: the innocence of that is just so astounding to me. Yeah,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I mean it shows you how resilient children really are.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're going to be scarred emotionally, there's no
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: doubt about it that there resilience of young people is
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: just so obvious. Sometimes. Yeah, I'm just thinking about the
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: one little brother that to this day. He talks about
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: seeing his brother stop blinking his eyes. That is going
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: to haunt him. He's going to wake up when he's
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: sixty years old dreaming about that moment thanks to this
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: a hole another I'm just really throwing the Latin phrases
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: around today. Brian called her the boyfriend and Gloria Williams
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: the sorry mother. Speaking of upsetting, it disturbing. I don't
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: like it, but this is part of the case cycle
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: ast an hour, cut nine. This is the Harris County
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Sheriff Egglin Solace. I want mentioned as well because that
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: was something that was very disturbing. As back to the
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: different parts. We had a the dry remains, skeletal remains
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: that were present so clearly in our initial observations. The
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: body had been there for a long time, you know,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: and so that was disturbing. But on top of that,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: we had a serious injury to another small child that
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: apparently had not received to our knowledge, any kind of
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: medical attention, any any pain treatment or anything like that
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: during the course of this. I also want to point
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: out as well, I mentioned a little bit that the
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: apartment was in a deplorable condition. We saw soiled carpet,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: no furniture, no furniture at all, no bedding, no blankets,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: nothing that that we could see. And it appeared to
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: have what I spent, roaches and flies and just things.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: It was very bad condition for anyone, especially children, to
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: live in. Take a listen also to our cut tian.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: These are documents that we obtain from the court. Listen.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Officers arrived spoke with the fifteen year old child, who
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: stated that he found his younger brother, the deceased minor complainant,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: in a bedroom of the residence sometime around Thanksgiving of
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: last year, two thousand and twenty. He believed this defendant
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: would call the police, told officers that she never did so,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: and that she then had moved out of the apartment,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: leaving them in the residence with his deceased younger brother
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: without adult supervision. He stated that they had found his
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: younger brother approximately one week before Thanksgiving. He also told
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: officers that the co defendant, who is the boyfriend of
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: this defendant, would lock them in a bedroom and he
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: would hear them hitting his brothers while he was in
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: the room with them. He stated he told this defendant
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: about the conduct, but she ignored him, said she would
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: talk with the defendant, and the fifteen year old stated
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: quote that never worked and in our cut thirteen, listen
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: to what happened to the other little boy's jaw. Law
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: enforcement officers on scene observed that ten year old child
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: to have extensive swelling to his face and draw when
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: they made contact with him. On October twenty fourth, he
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: was transported to Texas Children's Hospital, where it was discovered
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: that he had blunt force trauma to the face, which
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: would require surgery because medical treatment was not sought or
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: obtained when he was injured. During a forensic interview the
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: following day, he disclosed that the injury had occurred when
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: the codefendant struck him in the face approximately three weeks prior,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: and that this defendant was aware of the injury but
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: did not seek or obtain medical aid for him. Serena Fazon,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: after we started rooting around and digging around in this case,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: suddenly mommy and her live in have been arrested. Again.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Are they in custody and are they facing trial and
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: if so for what? Yes, so they are in custody,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: and going back to that first question, why were they released?
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: I did a little bit of more research and it
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: said that detectives wanted to gather more evidence, but right
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: now they are in custody. The boyfriend is being evaluated
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: go in a mental health facility, but he's facing homicide charges.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: What I am concerned with, though, is the mother. Her
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: charges are injury to a child, biomission, and tampering with evidence.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: So Nanthy, you would know better, but I would hope
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: that they would upgrade those charges. I predict a grand
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: jury is going to hear this case. Those are the
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: current charges that she was arrested under. For instance, I
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: say Jackie is still a car. I call a cop.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: He comes and arrests her for still in a car.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Then we find a dead body in the trunk. Oh,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: the grand jury indict her for the murder too, Sorry, Jackie,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: come in a lot of crimes over there. But long
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: story short, wait till the grand jury hears all this.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: I believe she will be indicted as a codefendant and
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: then murder of her own son, Kendrick Lee. And again,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: let me throw another Latin phrase at you. Rot in hell, mommy,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: and take your live in with you. We wait as
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: justice unfolds. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,