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Credlin | 7 October · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandler live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to cred Lenders tonight, where you commemorate
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Speaker 2: the two year anniversary of the horrific terror attacks in
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Speaker 2: Israel on October seventh, twenty twenty three. Tonight we'll speak
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Speaker 2: with a former Australian Army brigadier to get his assessment
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Speaker 2: on where the peace process is as those talks begin
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Speaker 2: in Egypt. Plus the latest as Jewish groups in Australia
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Speaker 2: join the fire to stop what can only be seen
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Speaker 2: as religious vilification. Set for the Opera House on Sunday.
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Speaker 2: A busy day in Federal Parliament, the Coalition pursuing Penny
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Speaker 2: Wong over detail regarding the return to Australia the so
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Speaker 2: called ISIS brides, as Victoria police reveal they knew about
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Speaker 2: their return to Melbourne for some time, despite all the
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Speaker 2: repeated denials from the Prime Minister, plus Labour's Communications Minister
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Speaker 2: under fire for delaying legislation meant to safeguard the triple
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Speaker 2: zero coll system. Liberal Shadow Melissa Macintosh took her head
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Speaker 2: on today. She didn't miss she joins me later in
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Speaker 2: the program and today on the streets of Melbourne pro
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Speaker 2: terror hates on full display, landmarks covered in graffiti, and
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Speaker 2: a man allegs to appointed a gun at a synagogue,
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Speaker 2: as Liberal leader Susan Lee calls out the PM's failure
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Speaker 2: to tackle the anti Jewish hate.
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Speaker 3: To our great shame. Under the leadership of the Albanese
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Speaker 3: Labor government, Australia has not stood with the people of
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Speaker 3: Israel nor with the United States.
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Speaker 2: The first today is, as you know, the second anniversary
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Speaker 2: of the October seven atrocity, when some twelve hundred Israelis
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Speaker 2: were butchered where they danced, in their cars, as they
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Speaker 2: tried to flee, in their homes, in their beds, even
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Speaker 2: in their cradles, Men, women and children, Women raped, the unborn,
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Speaker 2: shot in their mother's womb, the elderly forced to witness
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Speaker 2: scenes of the horror that they, as survivors of an
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Speaker 2: earlier genocide, had thought was consigned to history. Those not
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Speaker 2: slaughtered where they stood were taken hostage. Some two hundred
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Speaker 2: stolen away on the back of trucks and on motorbikes,
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Speaker 2: and down into the tunnels they went in the Hummas
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Speaker 2: controlled hell holes of Gaza. Some have been released, Many murdered,
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Speaker 2: including children, strangled, with their bare hands by barbaric Islamists,
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Speaker 2: and still tonight there's believed to be some twenty remaining
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Speaker 2: hostages alive, seven hundred and thirty days and nights of
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Speaker 2: terror that most of ours hope never to even comprehend,
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Speaker 2: let alone live through. And it is for them I
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Speaker 2: pray tonight as we mark this day of great sadness.
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Speaker 2: In any decent and reasonable world, at almost every other
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Speaker 2: time in our modern history, there would have been an
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Speaker 2: incessant cry from the lips of all Australians release the hostages. Instead,
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Speaker 2: across this country and much of the wider world, there's
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Speaker 2: been an incessant campaign against Israel, and that's given license
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Speaker 2: to some to then turn their anti Israel anger into
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Speaker 2: anti Jewish hate, and that's rewarded terrorism. Now, with the
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Speaker 2: recognition of Palestine.
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Speaker 4: This conflict, Australia has supported calls for a cease fire
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Speaker 4: because every innocent life matters, every Israeli life, every Palestinian life.
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Speaker 4: Right now, Gaza is in the grip of a humanitarian catastrophe,
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Speaker 4: and the Israeli government must accept its share of responsibility.
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Speaker 2: Instead of blaming Israel for the suffering of the people
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Speaker 2: of Gaza by their own elected Hamas government. Where is
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Speaker 2: the blame for the terrorists and their billionaire leaders living
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Speaker 2: in Doha. Where's the accountability from the United Nations for
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Speaker 2: the hundreds of billions of dollars that the world is
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Speaker 2: given in aid to Gaza that's largely been spent on
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Speaker 2: tunnels and other military infrastructure. Why is it Israel's fault
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Speaker 2: and Hamas have deliberately placed their terrorist infrastructure and schools
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Speaker 2: and hospitals and use their own people as human shields.
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Speaker 2: Why is it Israel's fault that neither Egypt or Jordan,
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Speaker 2: or Saudi Arabia or Qatar or the UAE have taken
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Speaker 2: in any of their fellow Muslim neighbors claiming asylum. Honestly,
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Speaker 2: there have been hundreds of thousands of people killed in
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Speaker 2: Syria over the past decade, hundreds of thousands in Sudan
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Speaker 2: and in Yemensu, thousands and thousands of Christians just this
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Speaker 2: year killed by Islamists in places like Nigeria, and yet
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Speaker 2: they're the world hardly notices Rayelis are involved. When Jews
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Speaker 2: are involved, they want to march in the streets and
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Speaker 2: try and mask their anti Semitism under a grubby kafea
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Speaker 2: of mock outrage. Today, some pro terror supporters, amongst us,
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Speaker 2: marked the second anniversary of the world's worst violence that
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Speaker 2: gives Jews since the Holocaust with this obscene graffiti in Melbourne,
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Speaker 2: directly across the road from the office of Victorian Senator
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Speaker 2: Lydia Thorpe. Here it is, and on the streets too,
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Speaker 2: not so far away, a crude pro Hummas billboard that
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Speaker 2: appeared at a busy Melbourne intersection. And as we've all
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Speaker 2: grown tired of hearing, labor leaders said that they stood
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Speaker 2: with Jewish Australians, that it was said the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: abhorrent and that the people responsible, he says, must face
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Speaker 2: the full force of the law. But two years on
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Speaker 2: those words are now just so hot. Even if court
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Speaker 2: and even if prosecuted, what it would these terrorism supporters
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Speaker 2: even get, maybe a fine worth a few hundred dollars,
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Speaker 2: maybe a community service order if they're lucky. The real
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Speaker 2: problem is that not once since the October seven atrocity
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Speaker 2: have our governments at any level taken serious action to
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Speaker 2: crack down on the countless instances of open jee hatred.
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Speaker 2: Starting with that night of great infamy on October nine
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Speaker 2: at the Opera House in Sydney when an enraged mob
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Speaker 2: shouted obscenities against Jewish Australians. It was October nine, at
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Speaker 2: least two weeks before the Israeli Army had taken any
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Speaker 2: action at all against Gaza itself, because it was still
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Speaker 2: trying to come to terms with and deal with a
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Speaker 2: terrorist incursion into Israel. Almost the instant that news broke
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Speaker 2: of the October seven atrocities, local islam As preachers here
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Speaker 2: in Australia or out there on the streets celebrating the
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Speaker 2: slaughter of Jews.
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Speaker 1: I'm smiling and I'm happy.
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Speaker 2: I'm in Haytan. It's a day of courage. Ask yourself this,
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Speaker 2: What action has been taken against those preachers of hate? Well,
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Speaker 2: virtually nothing. How many of them have been deported, How
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Speaker 2: many have had their visas canceled? Not one that I
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Speaker 2: am aware. Since then, almost every weekend in Sydney and
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Speaker 2: Melbourne there's been in timmetry marches that paralyze our city
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Speaker 2: streets as an angry mob blames Jewish people for a
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Speaker 2: so called genocide, even though the war would stop immediately
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Speaker 2: if only Humas would release the hostages outside of Israel.
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Speaker 2: Melbourne is home to more Holocuy survivors than almost any
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Speaker 2: other city on Earth. Australia was once a haven for
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Speaker 2: Jewish people, a place where, long before the left lectured
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Speaker 2: us about diversity, the good people of this country elected
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Speaker 2: Jews to our parliament, that we had a Jewish governor
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Speaker 2: general very proudly, to a Jewish military leader, to John
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Speaker 2: Monash who was knighted on the battlefield in the Great
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Speaker 2: War for his service not only to Australia but the
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Speaker 2: cause of the Allies. And yet here we are today,
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Speaker 2: or I should say here are some of us, because
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Speaker 2: I want to believe that more of us are like
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Speaker 2: we once were and not infected with this current poison
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Speaker 2: of anti Jewish hatred. If you want to understand why
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Speaker 2: Jewish Australians live with the fear that they do, you
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Speaker 2: must understand this. They are the people from the families
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Speaker 2: who said, at one time in their history, we must flee.
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Speaker 2: They are the ones who fled and survived. Their family.
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Speaker 2: Trees today have empty branches with those in their family
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Speaker 2: ended because those in their family stayed. Now no longer
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Speaker 2: these protests the exercise of free speech. They are now
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Speaker 2: plainly the public expression of an orchestrated campaign of vilification
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Speaker 2: against Jewish Australians and if our laws again hate speech,
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Speaker 2: against racial discrimination and to mean anything, these protests must stop.
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Speaker 2: At the very least, they must not be able to
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Speaker 2: co opt down national icons like the Sydney Opera House
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Speaker 2: or the Harbor Bridge to their cause, because that, by
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Speaker 2: design is there to ensure that the images go around
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Speaker 2: the world and send the message. Somehow Australia is supportive
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Speaker 2: of this hate when most of us are fed up
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Speaker 2: or angry. God, we're a shame that this is happening
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Speaker 2: in our country and our elected leaders and our officialdom
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Speaker 2: seem so impedent. Or are they impedent or are they
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Speaker 2: like conscious pilot, quietly washing their hands of this hate
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Speaker 2: because it wasn't so long ago that they could do
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Speaker 2: this to crack down on a mere virus.
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Speaker 5: Media growing stuff now and they're fiting, they're not fruiting.
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Speaker 2: Oh, what's happening in the West must be tackled and
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Speaker 2: tackled quickly or we will lose our tolerant culture and
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Speaker 2: we will never get it back. And yes, we need
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Speaker 2: determined to speak up, and we need our governments to
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Speaker 2: grow a spine, or we throw them out. But we
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Speaker 2: also need Muslims who live in the West, who say
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Speaker 2: they are moderate, who say they want peace, to demand
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Speaker 2: the change, because let's be honest here with each other.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't Jews who flew planes into the World Trade
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Speaker 2: Center and killed almost three thousand Americans. It wasn't Christian
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Speaker 2: suicide bombers in two thousand and five who blew up
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Speaker 2: the London underground and killed fifty two. It isn't Buddhists
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Speaker 2: that have murdered seven thousand Christians in Nigeria this year alone,
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Speaker 2: or cut the throats of priests saying mass in France,
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Speaker 2: or murdered journalists over a cartoon, or who blew up
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Speaker 2: trains and hotels in Mumbai, killing two hundred and nine,
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Speaker 2: or abducted schoolgirls because females getting an education so offended Bokoharam.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't Christians who killed some eight hundred Yazidis in
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Speaker 2: a Sunni Muslim bombing raid, or burnt alive a Jordanian
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Speaker 2: pilot in his Islamic state cage, or be headed the
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Speaker 2: journalist Daniel Pearl live on camera, or storm the Bataclan
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Speaker 2: disco in Paris, shooting dead ninety in twenty fifteen, or
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Speaker 2: shot three hundred school kids in Beslen in Russia, or
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Speaker 2: have blown up embassies and planes all around the world,
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Speaker 2: or as we know ourselves here in Australia bombed nightclubs
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Speaker 2: in Bali and killing two hundred and two and as
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Speaker 2: we know, eighty eight of our own or in countless
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Speaker 2: countries around the world, killed in cold blood, many of
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Speaker 2: the same adherents to their faith, particularly women and children.
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Speaker 2: Radical Islamism. This is the challenge of our times. It
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Speaker 2: is the challenge of our times, and we need to
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Speaker 2: be honest about that if we're to have any chance
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Speaker 2: of defeating it, because you cannot beat an enemy you're
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Speaker 2: too scared to even name. And we must defeat it
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Speaker 2: before there is nothing left to even defend before it
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Speaker 2: is too late. Terribly somber day. Isn't it joining me
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Speaker 2: now to get across what has been? However, a busy
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Speaker 2: day in Canberra? Political reporter Cam Reddin, Well, everyone's had
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Speaker 2: a good break. Cam. It's been five and a bit
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Speaker 2: weeks public hold obviously in camera yesterday, but everything is
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Speaker 2: back in full swing today. Question time in the House.
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Speaker 2: The college went pretty hard on the new and I
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Speaker 2: want to say new she's calling herself new Communications Minister
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Speaker 2: Arnica Wells today out of this play out and the
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Speaker 2: Triple zero watchdog laws. The government was told to pass
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Speaker 2: these laws eighteen months ago. They did and of course
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Speaker 2: so what's the latest.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and of course they still haven't passed that yet,
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Speaker 6: Peter either. It's gone to the House now today. The
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Speaker 6: suite of new laws to essentially update some of the
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Speaker 6: different characteristics around the requirements for someone like Optus or
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Speaker 6: Telstra and how they handle their Triple zero systems. So
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Speaker 6: there'll be things like real time reporting to the authority
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Speaker 6: and they'll be forced also to test their updates and
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Speaker 6: test the Triple zero system during one of their system updates,
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Speaker 6: which clearly hasn't happened in these previous outages, to make
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Speaker 6: sure it is all working. So the government wants these
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Speaker 6: in effect from November one. My understanding is the Coalition
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Speaker 6: is inclined.
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Speaker 2: To support them.
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Speaker 6: They first though, want to go through the detail, but
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Speaker 6: the Coalition focused on this heavily in Question time. They're
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Speaker 6: focusing in particular on the decision for Annika Wells to
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Speaker 6: have not had this legislated already, but also to go
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Speaker 6: to the United Nations to attend the conference around the
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Speaker 6: social media age limit to come in in a couple
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Speaker 6: of weeks time when the Optus issue was playing out.
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Speaker 6: Here's a look at how this played out in question
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Speaker 6: time and throughout the day in Parliament.
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Speaker 3: Does the Minister regret her decision to prioritize a trip
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Speaker 3: to New York over dealing with these urgent matters in Australia.
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Speaker 7: This outage was the fault of Optus and Optus alone
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Speaker 7: and they will be held accountable.
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Speaker 8: Being review made eighteen critical recommendations to government. Why hasn't
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Speaker 8: the government implemented all the recommendations?
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Speaker 7: This is a shadow minister who is on record criticizing
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Speaker 7: me for not going faster when presented with the opportunity
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Speaker 7: to support the bill, did it and communicate it whether
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Speaker 7: the opposition would support it.
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Speaker 2: She also bought all the big telco bosses to cambro cam.
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Speaker 2: Now she could have done that last week if it
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Speaker 2: was urgent and it is urgent to me to be
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Speaker 2: a bit of political theater stage for the cameras. What
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Speaker 2: came of it.
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Speaker 6: Not a great deal in terms of outcome, Peter, other
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Speaker 6: than the Minister saying she had the chance to tell
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Speaker 6: them face to face in a room that there would
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Speaker 6: be no excuses for any further outages. I can give
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Speaker 6: you some insight into how this day all played out
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Speaker 6: as well. Of course Telstra was here, TPG was here.
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Speaker 6: The big focus was on the chief executive of Optus
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Speaker 6: for obvious reasons, Stephen Rue. My understanding of his day
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Speaker 6: was that he met with Anika Wells this morning first,
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Speaker 6: then at some point was spotted at the parliament House
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Speaker 6: cafe here before meeting with the Greens communications spokesperson Sarah
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Speaker 6: Hanson Young and then departing the building. So no meeting
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Speaker 6: with Melissa Macintosh from the coalition. My understanding is there
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Speaker 6: were multiple requests to have a face to face meeting
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Speaker 6: and the coalition was offered somebody from government Relations, not
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Speaker 6: the chief executive. So I've asked Optics why that is
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Speaker 6: why they didn't meet with the coalition and they haven't
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Speaker 6: told me as of yes, but here's a little bit
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Speaker 6: of what Stephen Rue did tell us to catch him
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Speaker 6: on his way into the building this morning.
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Speaker 2: Do you know that what went wrong yet? Student just
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Speaker 2: looking forward to meeting the ministry?
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Speaker 6: Do you know what went wrong yet? Don't you know
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Speaker 6: people in explanation to the office.
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Speaker 9: Not looking forward to seeing the Ministry of Sure of
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Speaker 9: being productive meeting.
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Speaker 6: Can people have faith in the triple zero process? Are
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Speaker 6: you going to fix the problem?
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Speaker 2: Stephen Well got to investigative work. That is very telling
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Speaker 2: that he declined to meet with the Coalition. I've got
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Speaker 2: to ask you too. Obviously I mentioned the House question time.
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Speaker 2: That's all week. The Senate is in its estimate period.
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Speaker 2: Now there was a real push today to get some
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Speaker 2: answers out of the government or the issue of the
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Speaker 2: ISIS brides returning now as we're known to Australia, I
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Speaker 2: have to tell my viewers we know now from Victoria
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Speaker 2: Police reports that some are resident in Melbourne. What else
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Speaker 2: we know, well, not a whole lot. What came out
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Speaker 2: of estimates.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of numbers that are trying to be
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Speaker 6: sought pay to have not been forthcoming. And show you
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Speaker 6: this exchange. This went on for about five hours, this
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Speaker 6: period of questioning with the Prime Minister's Department today. But
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Speaker 6: it's worth showing you just some of this exchange where
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Speaker 6: Mikhaylia Cash is trying to get an answer for the
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Speaker 6: exact number of the so called ISIS brides. People who
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Speaker 6: left Australia to Syria have now somehow reportedly come back.
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Speaker 6: Exactly how many are in the country and does the
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Speaker 6: Prime Minister know what that number is? Here's some of
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Speaker 6: that exchange.
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Speaker 10: How many of the ISIS brides are now in Australia.
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Speaker 8: We would not provide commentary on individual cases.
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Speaker 10: By merely asking for a number.
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Speaker 2: I understand the question, Senator.
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Speaker 7: I would just say that we wouldn't provide details on
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Speaker 7: individual cases.
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Speaker 10: Senator Wong, Is the Prime Minister aware of how many
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Speaker 10: IIS bribes are now in Australia?
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Speaker 11: I will take that on notice.
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Speaker 10: Is the Prime Minister aware if the ISIS brides and
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Speaker 10: the children are now back in Australia.
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Speaker 11: It is well known that there are individuals who are
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Speaker 11: seeking to return to Australia. Obviously there are community and
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Speaker 11: some third parties who have been advocating for these people.
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Speaker 11: Agencies are aware of who the person's of interests are,
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Speaker 11: and agencies are satisfied that they're prepared of any of
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Speaker 11: these find their way home.
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Speaker 2: I call BS and s CAM. I mean this is
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Speaker 2: deliberate obfiscation from the Ministry. They've known these questions would come.
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Speaker 2: This has been a two week plus hot issue. And
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Speaker 2: you can see all the attendants behind them, or the
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Speaker 2: departmental officials with their great big lever arch folders. They've
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Speaker 2: got the answers there, but they all have prepped very
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Speaker 2: hard not to put a grab into the newsers tonight
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Speaker 2: because they want this issue to go away.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and there'll be plenty more on this in coming down, Peter.
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Speaker 6: We have the Home Affairs Department up tomorrow, the Department
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Speaker 6: of Foreign Affairs and Trade on Friday. My understanding is
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Speaker 6: the Coalition won't stop until they get those numbers, and
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Speaker 6: we'll be watching in to see if they do.
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Speaker 2: All right, we'll leave it there, thank you, cam Well,
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Speaker 2: let's bring in our political letitor, Andrew Cleanow. Now just
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Speaker 2: quickly we'll get into just a general sense of things.
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Speaker 2: I'm keen for what it feels like on the ground
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Speaker 2: to you, Andrew. But I spoke to a senior ranking
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Speaker 2: former senior ranking AFP officer last night, a superintendent, who
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Speaker 2: said it beggars belief that the government hasn't at least
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Speaker 2: put out some detail, non identifying detail short to Australians
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Speaker 2: just to give them confidence that they will be safe
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Speaker 2: upon the return of these women. In particular, if there
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Speaker 2: are control orders in place, any of that sort of
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Speaker 2: granular information he says should be already out there in
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Speaker 2: the public domain.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't think there's control orders to you. Otherwise
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Speaker 9: might have heard of an application to a cord or
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Speaker 9: something of that nature. So would there be some form
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Speaker 9: of surveillance, say by New South Wales Police, Probably because
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Speaker 9: they were asked about it at a Parliamentary committee hearing
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Speaker 9: and they said they were making preparations, so perhaps that's
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Speaker 9: going on. But yeah, they don't want to talk about it, right,
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Speaker 9: so they're not.
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Speaker 2: I don't think they'll got away with that though. I
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Speaker 2: think they don't want the grabs in the camera and
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Speaker 2: you and I had to run act. But I don't
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Speaker 2: think the colition's going to give up. And I know
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Speaker 2: as strains are concerned. Let's go to your general sense
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Speaker 2: of things. It's been sometime since, you know, the boarding
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Speaker 2: school was back in full swing. They're all there. What's
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Speaker 2: the mood like in Canberra.
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Speaker 9: Well, it's pretty weird week to be back here. I
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Speaker 9: mean at school holidays in most states other than Queensland.
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Speaker 2: And you know he.
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Speaker 9: Promised a family friendly parliament.
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Speaker 1: I may not.
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Speaker 9: Obviously got a vested interest to you, Peter, but so
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Speaker 9: do a lot of MPs. And I just don't understand
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Speaker 9: why Parliament is sitting this week and not on a
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Speaker 9: number of other weeks. Why this week? I mean, you know,
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Speaker 9: the politicians have a hard enough time seeing their families
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Speaker 9: as it is, and you're dragging everyone back in school holidays.
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Speaker 9: And one theory that someone from the Coalition profited to
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Speaker 9: me today is that the Prime Minister's scheduling a lot
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Speaker 9: of sitting weeks when there's a public holiday. So they
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Speaker 9: only asked to do three days, not four of question
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Speaker 9: time and Parliament generally and it very much has that
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Speaker 9: feel about it. There've been a number of weeks like that.
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Speaker 9: There was a school holidays week last year and we
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Speaker 9: had the public holida on Monday, of course, so they
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Speaker 9: only have to have the three sitting days. But that
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Speaker 9: in itself is puzzling. The Opposition's obviously grateful, I guess
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Speaker 9: to have the triple zero scandal to explore because that
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Speaker 9: put the Anaka Wells on the government on the back foot.
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Speaker 9: There's no doubt about that today. If they didn't have that,
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Speaker 9: they'd have nothing and they'd just be getting hammered with
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Speaker 9: their own internal woes, particularly after Andrew Hasty called the
22:53
Speaker 9: pin out of the grenade, didn't throw it. So you know,
22:57
Speaker 9: that's something that's an issue that's come along at the
23:00
Speaker 9: right time for the coalition. That has to be said.
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Speaker 2: I'll give you an insight. The reason why governments like
23:08
Speaker 2: to schedule in school holidays is the understanding that when
23:11
Speaker 2: parliament's on the coalition get a boost. People see the
23:15
Speaker 2: Liberal leader or the Opposition leader as a political personality.
23:19
Speaker 2: They grow their brand, they grow their reach, and of
23:21
Speaker 2: course if you're on school holidays, you're at the caravan
23:24
Speaker 2: park with the kids, you're not clocked into the news
23:26
Speaker 2: like you normally would. That's the theory and that's why
23:29
Speaker 2: they like to put her into school holidays. We'll see
23:31
Speaker 2: if it works for the Prime Minister, but I think
23:33
Speaker 2: the own goals from the Liberals are making his job easier,
23:36
Speaker 2: even if he's not really performing as he promised that.
23:38
Speaker 2: There was a story this morning that Andrew Hasty or
23:42
Speaker 2: someone raised the backbinding, the internal leaks, all the sort
23:48
Speaker 2: of who are the last few months in the Liberal
23:51
Speaker 2: party room today. This is a new backbencher apparently frustrated
23:55
Speaker 2: with everything going on. This is clearly a brawl. Nowwe
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Speaker 2: when the moderates and conservatives less about Hasty and Price
24:04
Speaker 2: more about the two factions at war. I suspect this
24:08
Speaker 2: is going to get worse Andrew before it gets better.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, And it looks so broad between Lee and Hasty,
24:17
Speaker 9: doesn't it, you know, just to put more clarity around it,
24:22
Speaker 9: to put a sharper focus on it, That's what it
24:25
Speaker 9: very much looks like to me. He's had a bit
24:26
Speaker 9: of a crack at her. And who knows if people
24:29
Speaker 9: associated with her leaked that story on what Dutton told
24:33
Speaker 9: the Review And look, apparently there wasn't a written submission,
24:36
Speaker 9: so it was a pretty confused story. But what I
24:38
Speaker 9: can tell you is that duttnam Hasty they did. Their
24:44
Speaker 9: relationship fell apart in the last turn, and from Dutton's
24:48
Speaker 9: point of view, he felt Hasty wasn't doing the work,
24:50
Speaker 9: and from Hasty's point of view, he felt Dutton publicly
24:54
Speaker 9: humiliated him when he took a proposal to have a
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Speaker 9: joint Parliamentary Defense intelligen. It's Committee two, shadow Cabinet, so
25:01
Speaker 9: he's allowed to take it all the way to Shadow
25:03
Speaker 9: Cabinet Peter and then Dunton smashed it in shadow cabinet,
25:07
Speaker 9: so Dunn't had the option to say to Hasty beforehand, look,
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Speaker 9: don't put it up, I don't like it. He didn't
25:13
Speaker 9: do that, and from Hasty's point of view, he was
25:16
Speaker 9: deliberately humiliated in that meeting. So that's when things went
25:20
Speaker 9: really awry in their relationship. And look, this is something
25:24
Speaker 9: I reported on first in May. But there's no doubt
25:27
Speaker 9: that the relationship between that pair is a real issue,
25:32
Speaker 9: or was a real issue. And that's something that with
25:36
Speaker 9: Hasty scene as a leadership threat to Lee is being
25:40
Speaker 9: used against Hasty at the moment with that nine newspapers
25:44
Speaker 9: article on a public call it a Monday. Now, if
25:46
Speaker 9: people think they're helping Susan Lee with that leak and
25:51
Speaker 9: maybe a leak from another quarter, I don't know. But
25:54
Speaker 9: if people think they're helping Susan Lee with that leak,
25:57
Speaker 9: they don't because all it shows is how to the
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Speaker 9: show is, and you know that just causes more problems
26:04
Speaker 9: for the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I don't think for me that leak came
26:09
Speaker 2: from Peter Dutton, as you stay, and confirmed today by
26:12
Speaker 2: one of the people doing the review, the former senator
26:14
Speaker 2: Nick mentioned that there was no written submission. He has
26:19
Speaker 2: made some comments about the election campaign, as he should.
26:23
Speaker 2: The review is not serious unless they're hearing from the leader.
26:26
Speaker 2: But he and I quote, has avoided direct criticism of
26:29
Speaker 2: any of his shadow ministers. So I have to say
26:31
Speaker 2: this is coming from the left, a stupid own goal
26:34
Speaker 2: from the left. But why on earth would you strip
26:37
Speaker 2: someone like Andrew Hasty of immigration when he is the
26:41
Speaker 2: shadow of a minister in Tony Burke who has immigration
26:46
Speaker 2: in his portfolio. I mean, if that's the smarts of
26:49
Speaker 2: someone like Alex Hawk, who I'm told from the left
26:52
Speaker 2: and the right was heavily involved in this whole process,
26:55
Speaker 2: you've got to think the guys, as I say, a
26:58
Speaker 2: good bobber boy, but a ain't that smart?
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Speaker 9: Well, he does seem quite central to things, and so
27:07
Speaker 9: when you talk about moderates versus conservatives, it might be
27:13
Speaker 9: a bit more complicated than that, in the sense that
27:15
Speaker 9: it could be Alex Hawk and people associated with him
27:20
Speaker 9: versus conservatives. And he's traditionally known as the center right,
27:25
Speaker 9: and so was Susan Lee and she now casts herself.
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Speaker 2: As a moderate right. Oh please, well.
27:32
Speaker 11: Well he's not.
27:32
Speaker 9: He's never been the Moderate faction. Alex hawk is as
27:35
Speaker 9: someone who's covered yourself well's politics or covered it for
27:37
Speaker 9: fifteen years. Alex ork in the Moderates.
27:41
Speaker 2: Faction, he's like a self identified he wants to avoid
27:48
Speaker 2: being sent into a male jail. Yeah, yeah, he'll call
27:50
Speaker 2: himself whatever he needs to hang on to power. Let
27:53
Speaker 2: me tell you, I will leave it. There've got to
27:55
Speaker 2: get through the rest of the show. Have a good week.
27:57
Speaker 2: Up the break, the case to stop a plan Rallied
27:59
Speaker 2: Opera House ramps up. Jewish groups given leave to take
28:03
Speaker 2: their arguments to a higher court. Plus while the PMC
28:07
Speaker 2: did like he had no knowledge of the return of
28:09
Speaker 2: those Isis women reports today say the Victoria Police, why
28:14
Speaker 2: you otherwise? So who's right, Who's wrong? What's going on?
28:18
Speaker 2: After the break? Welcome back? Still to come. The Shadow
28:24
Speaker 2: Communications Minister Melissa McIntosh joins me. She tours strips today
28:29
Speaker 2: off the embattled Minister in charge Anika Wells over that
28:32
Speaker 2: fatal Optus outage. We'll get to that in a moment.
28:35
Speaker 2: The first Jewish groups will for the first time be
28:38
Speaker 2: able to make legal arguments as to why a pro
28:41
Speaker 2: Palestine protest should not go ahead. The decision about whether
28:45
Speaker 2: a rally at Sydney Opera House on the weekend can
28:48
Speaker 2: proceed has now been moved to a higher court. Carolyn
28:52
Speaker 2: Marcus followed this report outside the Supreme.
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Speaker 12: Court, lawyers for both the New South Wales Police Commissioner
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Speaker 12: and Palace Action Group argued the case should be moved
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Speaker 12: to the Court of Appeal because it's likely to be
29:05
Speaker 12: fought on constitutional grounds about the rights to protest.
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Speaker 7: The decision to attempt to prohibit our march on the
29:13
Speaker 7: Harbor Bridge is unconstitutional and we have instructed our lawyers
29:18
Speaker 7: to make that argument in the Court of Appeal tomorrow.
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Speaker 12: The protest group says it also wants the court to
29:23
Speaker 12: make a ruling Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, a
29:28
Speaker 12: claim the Jewish State has strongly denied. The group has
29:32
Speaker 12: signaled it is open to taking the matter to the
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Speaker 12: High Court if unsuccessful. On Wednesday, the judge also ordered
29:39
Speaker 12: two Jewish groups, the Executive Council of Australian Jury and
29:44
Speaker 12: New South Wales Jewish Board of Deputies, be allowed to
29:47
Speaker 12: file legal submissions as to why the protest at the
29:51
Speaker 12: Opera House should not be allowed to proceed on Sunday.
29:54
Speaker 12: The barrister acting for the Jewish group, cited unrest and
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Speaker 12: fear members of the community still felt over the ugly
30:02
Speaker 12: scenes at the Opera House two years ago where flares
30:05
Speaker 12: were let off, the Israeli flag burned, and there were
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Speaker 12: chants of f the JWS.
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Speaker 13: We've made our objections known for a long time. We
30:14
Speaker 13: support the right of peaceful protest, but every right has
30:17
Speaker 13: its bounds, and I think that's been thoroughly tested by
30:20
Speaker 13: these activists, both through the tone and terror of these protests,
30:24
Speaker 13: the cost to the public, and the fact that they've
30:27
Speaker 13: been done over and over again.
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Speaker 12: The protest group estimates there would be ten thousand people
30:32
Speaker 12: at the protest authorities believe it could be closer to
30:36
Speaker 12: one hundred thousand. It's the same group that's successfully obtained
30:41
Speaker 12: an earlier ruling from the Supreme Court allowing its Sydney
30:45
Speaker 12: Harbor Bridge march to go ahead in August.
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Speaker 14: Look, I'm back to police here. They've made a decision
30:51
Speaker 14: based on community safety. It's an incredibly narrow peninsula, as
30:54
Speaker 14: everybody knows that fore Court of the Opera House, and
30:57
Speaker 14: they've got a responsibility to keep the public safe. And
31:00
Speaker 14: when things go bad, when these big public protests go bad.
31:03
Speaker 14: Either there's community safety issues or there's naked hate speech.
31:08
Speaker 14: The police get the blame.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's discuss this and more with my panel,
31:13
Speaker 2: former liberal MPEGNA Cole Flint and the CEO of the
31:16
Speaker 2: Page Research Center, Gerald holland Nick. I'll start with you.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I am all for free speech, I very
31:23
Speaker 2: reluctantly even cause issue with these pro Palestinian protests, and
31:29
Speaker 2: you know I live two streets away from one most
31:31
Speaker 2: weekends in Melbourne. However, I am dead set against the
31:36
Speaker 2: use of these national icons because this is all designed
31:39
Speaker 2: in a pr way to take the images around the world,
31:42
Speaker 2: to get coverage around the world and send some sort
31:45
Speaker 2: of signal that Australia is anti Jewish, anti Israel and
31:50
Speaker 2: is supporting the Hummas cause.
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Speaker 15: I cannot believe we're even having this conversation, not even
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Speaker 15: eighty years since the end of the Holocaust, since the
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Speaker 15: end of World War II.
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Speaker 2: Peter.
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Speaker 15: It is appalling and it is shocking, and there is
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Speaker 15: absolutely no way that the Opera House should or could
32:17
Speaker 15: be used by any protest group for this sort of event.
32:23
Speaker 15: Now that said, the New South Wales government for many
32:26
Speaker 15: years have let the Opera House be used for all
32:29
Speaker 15: sorts of commercial purposes and other purposes.
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Speaker 2: I think that needs to end. Let's keep our.
32:35
Speaker 15: Incredible icon neutral and that will then mean that the government,
32:42
Speaker 15: whichever flavor that may be, doesn't get accused of picking favorites.
32:46
Speaker 15: Let's just keep the opera houses the opera house and
32:49
Speaker 15: not let it be used for any commercial, let alone
32:53
Speaker 15: protest purposes of this horrific nature.
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Speaker 2: Jar and I want to move to some scenes in Melbourne,
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Speaker 2: horrific scenes pro humas graffiti terrorist supporting graffiti sprayed on
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Speaker 2: the billboard in the Melbourne suburb of Fitzroy. There was
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Speaker 2: more down across the road from just A Lydia Thorpe's
33:15
Speaker 2: office and at Olivia Thorpe's office. There was also a
33:18
Speaker 2: new South Wales and man arrested after a firearm was
33:20
Speaker 2: allegedly pointed at a synagogue in Sydney. Now, PM and
33:25
Speaker 2: everybody else have come out and said we stand with Israel. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
33:29
Speaker 2: we do. We say that all the time. They've condemned
33:31
Speaker 2: the graffiti, but none of them have taken enough of
33:35
Speaker 2: us stand on any of this from day one, because
33:38
Speaker 2: it is still happening. It is not going away.
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Speaker 12: Peter, I want to.
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Speaker 1: Choose my words very carefully here because this is a
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Speaker 1: deeply sensitive subject and relates directly to the story that
33:52
Speaker 1: you were discussing with Nicole, and it relates to what
33:54
Speaker 1: we saw happen in Manchester in the UK last week,
33:57
Speaker 1: and it's we've had a conversation or as starting to
34:00
Speaker 1: have a conversation as a nation about the amount of
34:04
Speaker 1: people that are coming in in our migration plan and
34:06
Speaker 1: whether that's sustainable on infrastructure, on housing and other key services.
34:10
Speaker 1: But we are yet to have a conversation around the
34:13
Speaker 1: cultural integration and the type of people that we have
34:16
Speaker 1: been bringing into our incredibly wonderful, welcoming nation and the
34:20
Speaker 1: fact that we can have one hundred thousand people projected
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Speaker 1: too much across one of our most iconic landmarks, that
34:27
Speaker 1: we now have pro terrorist graffiti praising these hate groups
34:32
Speaker 1: from the Middle East across our major capital cities. This
34:36
Speaker 1: is not just about what's happening this weekend, but this
34:39
Speaker 1: is about an entire migration system that has been operating
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Speaker 1: for decades now with complete wanton abandon as to what
34:46
Speaker 1: is best for the Australian people and maintaining our social
34:49
Speaker 1: and cultural cohesion. And I would love for us to
34:52
Speaker 1: start to have that conversation as a nation because where
34:54
Speaker 1: we are headed is not pretty and I don't want
34:57
Speaker 1: to see where it goes from here.
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Speaker 2: I could not agree more. And this is why I think,
35:03
Speaker 2: you know, the move by the Liberals to take immigration
35:06
Speaker 2: of someone principled like Andrew Hasty speaks volumes. I think
35:11
Speaker 2: for the lack of ticket that were likely to see
35:13
Speaker 2: in the debate, because if the Liberals don't lead on
35:15
Speaker 2: this debate, no one will labor to craven in terms
35:19
Speaker 2: of votes, and the hard left and Coal controlling their
35:23
Speaker 2: caucus to stand up for our culture, let alone our
35:27
Speaker 2: borders in terms of the numbers, the economic numbers, the
35:30
Speaker 2: issue of the Islamic state. Women, they're up brides and
35:34
Speaker 2: on innocence. You know, I doubt there are you know,
35:37
Speaker 2: the Vestal virgins who went across they knew absolutely what
35:41
Speaker 2: they were doing. They returned to Australia. Now for some
35:44
Speaker 2: time the Prime Minister and Penny Wong and Tony Burke
35:47
Speaker 2: said well we don't know, we don't know anything about this.
35:49
Speaker 2: Now they are either lying to us, which is a
35:52
Speaker 2: big deal, or they were ignorant and not getting the
35:55
Speaker 2: briefings which is just as bad. Victoria police have said
35:59
Speaker 2: they you for some time that two women and four
36:03
Speaker 2: children would be returning to Melbourne from Syria. Now this
36:07
Speaker 2: is not good enough. And today in estimates instead of estimates,
36:10
Speaker 2: I've paid a click clip before Mikhaylia Cash went after
36:13
Speaker 2: Penny Wong at all she did, Nick Weld say, I'll
36:15
Speaker 2: take that on notice, I'll take that. I notice now
36:18
Speaker 2: you and I know this is an issue that's been
36:19
Speaker 2: running for two to three weeks. She knows the responses.
36:22
Speaker 2: She was not prepared because she does not want to
36:25
Speaker 2: be on camera admitting what they know.
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Speaker 15: How is this even possible. There is no way that
36:37
Speaker 15: anyone gets into our country, especially if they are on
36:42
Speaker 15: a watch list, or if they are a person of interest,
36:45
Speaker 15: or if they have been to a war zone or
36:50
Speaker 15: a country that is currently on the watch list in
36:56
Speaker 15: terms of national security. There is no way that the
37:01
Speaker 15: Labor government and the Senior Minister's responsible did not know
37:06
Speaker 15: about these women and children returning. So this is the
37:10
Speaker 15: full responsibility of the Prime Minister, the Minister for Immigration,
37:14
Speaker 15: the Minister for Foreign Affairs. There is no way they
37:18
Speaker 15: didn't know, and if they didn't then they should all
37:22
Speaker 15: stand down, Peter, because they are not doing their job properly.
37:27
Speaker 15: This is a matter of serious national security. These individuals
37:32
Speaker 15: chose to leave Australia and go where they did they
37:38
Speaker 15: I just cannot believe that the Prime Minister and his
37:41
Speaker 15: senior ministers are pretending that they did not know. Peter,
37:46
Speaker 15: you have been around the table when you've had these
37:48
Speaker 15: sorts of briefings. There is no way they didn't know.
37:51
Speaker 15: I'm stunned.
37:55
Speaker 2: Just quickly before we go, jur the environment Minister Mary,
37:58
Speaker 2: what's been pushed on. He can rule out a climate trigger,
38:02
Speaker 2: which is something that the environmental groups have been pushing
38:04
Speaker 2: hard for. Have listened.
38:07
Speaker 16: Can you rule out a climate trigger being a part
38:09
Speaker 16: of what is presented to Parliament?
38:11
Speaker 6: Well, the only reason I haven't gone that far is
38:13
Speaker 6: that we haven't finalized drafting the bill.
38:14
Speaker 8: But I've said very clearly that it's I think I
38:17
Speaker 8: said very unlikely.
38:18
Speaker 1: Because if minister introduced legislation, for one, if you're ruling
38:22
Speaker 1: it out or ruling it in, Minister, please result.
38:25
Speaker 2: Senator Dunham has the call and is in charge, you.
38:28
Speaker 14: Can't rule it out today.
38:30
Speaker 12: I'm happy to rule it out.
38:34
Speaker 1: Jared, Well, we'll just have to wait and see. I
38:38
Speaker 1: have very little faith in Minister what and he's ruling
38:42
Speaker 1: it out on anything that would be I've.
38:47
Speaker 2: Triber got my words.
38:48
Speaker 1: I'm so frustrated at how this country is treating our farmers,
38:51
Speaker 1: how it's treating our climber and secondary resource industries, how
38:55
Speaker 1: it's treating the people who are actually producing everything that
38:58
Speaker 1: is productive for us society. Of course, he's not going
39:01
Speaker 1: to rule it out. They're going to do everything they
39:02
Speaker 1: can to squeeze this climate agenda out of the Australian people.
39:06
Speaker 1: We've seen it the watering down of the safeguard mechanism,
39:08
Speaker 1: but now how it tapers off we have to reduce emissions.
39:11
Speaker 1: We're seeing it in the one point three trillion dollars
39:14
Speaker 1: that rainforest reserves and Steven Noawrakowski has revealed is going
39:17
Speaker 1: to be just absolutely destroying our countryside. And I just
39:21
Speaker 1: don't Minister What's statements at face value. I think we
39:25
Speaker 1: can expect to see more here and it's very disappointing.
39:29
Speaker 2: All right, well over there, thank you both. Out of
39:31
Speaker 2: the break. The Communications Minister in a lot of hot
39:35
Speaker 2: water today about the latest Optius outages. I have to
39:38
Speaker 2: tell you they have not fixed the problem. No, Australians
39:42
Speaker 2: are safe until they get this watchdog in place. But
39:46
Speaker 2: we'll get to that with the Shadow Minister in the moment,
39:52
Speaker 2: welcome back coming out warnings from a top intelligence chief
39:56
Speaker 2: that Australia is a soft touch when it comes to
39:58
Speaker 2: the fans in China taking full advantage of that. But
40:02
Speaker 2: first to the ongoing fallout from the Optus outage that
40:06
Speaker 2: caused those fatalities across Australia and the subsequent grilling of
40:11
Speaker 2: the Communications Minister Arnika Wells during question time today. She
40:15
Speaker 2: was under fire because they have delayed the implementation of
40:19
Speaker 2: a national triple zero watchdog, more than a year after
40:24
Speaker 2: it was first recommended. The minister, though quick to dodge
40:27
Speaker 2: the blame.
40:28
Speaker 7: Today, thirty thing could have stopped Optus from having a
40:32
Speaker 7: sautage was Optis themselves. They are responsible for their failure
40:36
Speaker 7: and they were held to account for their failure. Until
40:39
Speaker 7: our government acted. Australian telcos were not legally required to
40:45
Speaker 7: report outages.
40:48
Speaker 2: Joining me in now, Shadow Communications Minister Melissa McIntosh, Melissa,
40:53
Speaker 2: I've told my viewers this before, but I've been a
40:56
Speaker 2: staffer inside that portfolio, the Communications PORTFOLI twice during the
41:01
Speaker 2: Howard era. It is the most or one of the
41:04
Speaker 2: most regulated areas of government business and it's solely regulated
41:09
Speaker 2: by the Commonwealth Government. She sees that she hasn't sat
41:13
Speaker 2: on the legislation, but these recommendations are now about eighteen
41:18
Speaker 2: months old, and one of them was a new watchdog,
41:22
Speaker 2: so why don't we have it? Thanks Peter.
41:27
Speaker 8: It's actually watching that clip that you showed of her today.
41:30
Speaker 8: I was in QT, but seeing it now, part of
41:32
Speaker 8: it breaks my heart because four people have died.
41:35
Speaker 2: This is real life stuff.
41:37
Speaker 8: And the other part is sickening because she's still not
41:40
Speaker 8: owning up to any responsibility. As you said, there were
41:44
Speaker 8: recommendations to the government in March twenty twenty four after
41:48
Speaker 8: the first Optus outage where no one died. They didn't
41:52
Speaker 8: do anything with those recommendations until now when we're nearly
41:56
Speaker 8: at the end of parliament for the year and they're
41:59
Speaker 8: trying to rush them through. I got the draft legislation
42:03
Speaker 8: late last night for it to be in Parliament today
42:06
Speaker 8: at lunchtime, and they're like asking us questions, why are
42:09
Speaker 8: we just jumping on.
42:10
Speaker 2: Board with their bureaucracy.
42:12
Speaker 8: It is unacceptable and I think that we need to
42:15
Speaker 8: keep the pressure on the government, keep the pressure on
42:17
Speaker 8: this minister until she takes some responsibility. It is not
42:21
Speaker 8: just optus if the government failed on this as well.
42:27
Speaker 2: She wants to say she's new. Okay, she's new to
42:30
Speaker 2: the portfolio may Is Dubitt. She's been there for six months,
42:34
Speaker 2: but she's not new to the cabinet. She's been a
42:36
Speaker 2: minister before. The first thing you do when you go
42:39
Speaker 2: in and say, you know, what are the unexploded bombs
42:42
Speaker 2: in my portfolio? What's obered you from the last term
42:45
Speaker 2: in office? What do we need to get passed through
42:47
Speaker 2: the parliament quick? Smart? She clearly did none of that,
42:51
Speaker 2: and today I felt getting all the telco bosses in
42:54
Speaker 2: town she could have done that last week. She could
42:56
Speaker 2: have flown to them if this was really urgent, but
42:58
Speaker 2: this felt like theater to give her a bit of
43:01
Speaker 2: cover in a sitting week.
43:05
Speaker 8: Well, you're exactly right, and you talk about she could
43:08
Speaker 8: have flown them in. But instead of flowing them in,
43:10
Speaker 8: she flew off to New York. While the crisis was unfolding.
43:14
Speaker 8: She stood there, held one press conference. She pointed AKMA,
43:18
Speaker 8: the regulator, to be the investigator, even though they are
43:21
Speaker 8: caught up in this, they're part of the failed process.
43:24
Speaker 8: And then she shot off, came back three weeks later,
43:27
Speaker 8: drags the CEOs of the telcos into Parliament for a
43:30
Speaker 8: photo opportunity, none of us know what was discussed behind
43:33
Speaker 8: the scenes, and then rushes this legislation through when she's
43:38
Speaker 8: been sitting on the recommendations for as you said, eighteen months,
43:42
Speaker 8: just not prioritizing Australians. The government's number one priority is
43:46
Speaker 8: to protect its citizens. There is no greater priority than
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Speaker 8: Australian being able to pick up their phone in the
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Speaker 8: greatest time of need and getting through to triple zero.
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Speaker 8: And he's something that impacts every single Australian. Why is
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Speaker 8: the government just hands off, no care, nothing to see here.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, one worries, being Melissa, that if you get your
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Speaker 2: legislation in November, you're not going to see the appointment
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Speaker 2: of a watchdog until well into next year. You're not
44:13
Speaker 2: going to have all the infrastructure that backs them up,
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Speaker 2: so you know, we're all going to go off to
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Speaker 2: summer and all the usual sort of natural disasters as
44:20
Speaker 2: Australians have, and all the other mishaps that these poor
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Speaker 2: people die from the other day without anything in place.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's my concern. Until it's fixed. Nothing's fixed.
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Speaker 8: You're right, nothing's fixed. But the warning signs were there
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Speaker 8: eighteen months ago. And the minister actually said that the
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Speaker 8: custodian this watchdog was in her department in March, but
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Speaker 8: none of us knew that. She didn't tell the public that.
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Speaker 8: And now she's saying that it doesn't have any powers.
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Speaker 8: For it to have any powers at all, we need
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Speaker 8: to have legislation. So what I've been doing over the
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Speaker 8: last twenty four hours or so, it's looking through and
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Speaker 8: ensuring that this isn't just a bureaucratic answer to a
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Speaker 8: serious issue. We want it to work if we're going
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Speaker 8: to support it. And as you said, Summers faster the
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Speaker 8: pressure runner.
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Speaker 2: Don't want to get the pressure runner. Yeah, it's my
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Speaker 2: job because this is Yeah. I know you're doing a
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Speaker 2: good job and you don't claim you knew either. Good
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Speaker 2: on you for that, Thank you, Melissa. All right, let's
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Speaker 2: go to a break up the break warnings today from
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Speaker 2: our top intelligence chief that were too soft on China.
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Speaker 2: We'll get to that at a moment. All right, let's
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Speaker 2: go to these warnings over I'm from Australia's top intelligence
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Speaker 2: chief Andrew Shearer, who says authoritarian regimes like China exploiting
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Speaker 2: Australia's preference for restraint and de escalation. It was a
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Speaker 2: stark address he gave to an Australia Japan business conference
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Speaker 2: in Perth, saying that our adversaries are exploiting our preference
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Speaker 2: for restraight and de escalation and leveraging coercion, cyber attacks,
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Speaker 2: sabotage and disinformation to test us without triggering outright conflict.
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Speaker 2: Here to discuss this and more. Former Army Director General
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Speaker 2: retired Brigadier Ian Langford. We'll give us your assessment here.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know this better than anybody else. Are we,
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Speaker 2: you know, walking through lotus land and potentially other than
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Speaker 2: kinetic warfare? Are we already at war with China? And
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Speaker 2: in the case of Europe, is Europe already at war
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Speaker 2: with Russia?
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Speaker 16: Yeah? Thanks Peter, thanks for having me. You know, when
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Speaker 16: Andrew Shearer speaks, he's a serious person and somebody worth
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Speaker 16: listening to. And essentially the purpose of his speech was
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Speaker 16: to really highlight the point that Australia is now under
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Speaker 16: threat due partly to the changing character of countries such
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Speaker 16: as Russia, China, Iran and North Korea in operating against US,
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Speaker 16: but also because of our openness and our preference for
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Speaker 16: restraint and adherence to the rules based global water. Essentially,
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Speaker 16: what we're seeing now as we're seeing those strategic warnings
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Speaker 16: from Andrew Shier and others, metastasizing the actual events cyber intrusions.
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Speaker 16: We've seen the strategic acquisition of critical infrastructure. We've seen
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Speaker 16: the attempt by the Chinese Communist Party to coerce high
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Speaker 16: profile individuals and part of the Chinese dispora here in Australia.
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Speaker 16: And we're really seeing an effort that epitomizes the Chinese
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Speaker 16: approach to military power, which is this notion of winning
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Speaker 16: without fighting. It's how you win without escalating to armed conflict.
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Speaker 16: Through all of these indirect means, many of which have
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Speaker 16: been put against Australia through wolf woroo diplomacy, through the
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Speaker 16: actions of trying to court others in the Pacific Islands,
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Speaker 16: for example, and all of this ties into essentially now
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Speaker 16: a competition around who is the preferred partner in our
47:49
Speaker 16: region and how will Australia deal with Chinese aggression which
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Speaker 16: is coming in all of these non traditional ways an
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Speaker 16: increasingly contested and conflicted world.
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Speaker 2: Keel. This is the economic leverage China has, though, isn't
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Speaker 2: it agin.
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Speaker 13: Oh?
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Speaker 16: Absolutely, and we're seeing that from lobsters, through the red wine,
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Speaker 16: through the coal, through the current dispute with BHP. So
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Speaker 16: Australia continues to balance its security and its economic relationships
48:19
Speaker 16: in the international system. It shouldn't have to choose. But
48:22
Speaker 16: increasingly it's becoming a parent that the Chinese are not
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Speaker 16: comfortable with Australia as it currently exists as an open
48:29
Speaker 16: and democratic society, the alliances it manages, and its commitment
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Speaker 16: to a free and open Eastern North Asia. And so
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Speaker 16: what it's doing is applying diplomacy, its information, its military
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Speaker 16: capacity and also its covert capabilities in ways that mister
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Speaker 16: Sheer pointed out any.
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Speaker 2: Speech, all right, aside from the uniform you wolf of
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Speaker 2: the Australia Army, you've been a peacekeeper too in the
48:52
Speaker 2: Middle East during previous Israeli conflicts. I've just got to
48:57
Speaker 2: ask you for your assessment of the peace deal on
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Speaker 2: the table and these indirect talks that appear to have
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Speaker 2: begun in Egypt.
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Speaker 16: It's the best chance we have so it's the fastest
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Speaker 16: way we'll see a hostage handback. It is the essentially
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Speaker 16: the commitment, at least in the initial stage for her
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Speaker 16: Maas to agree to a process. It's very unlikely and
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Speaker 16: very suspicious that they'll ever disarm in ways that the
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Speaker 16: peace process demands, but in the absence of anything else,
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Speaker 16: and under the leadership of the US and with other
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Speaker 16: regional powers such as the Egyptians also facilitating discussions between
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Speaker 16: Israel and Hamas, which again is a terror group. I
49:37
Speaker 16: think it is a framework to move forward. It will
49:41
Speaker 16: ensure some degree of accountability on the part of Hamas
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Speaker 16: to the Palestinians themselves, and we should support it to
49:48
Speaker 16: achieve the maximum effect it will, noting that it won't
49:51
Speaker 16: be perfect in its execution or outcome.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the real coup here is the number of
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Speaker 2: Arab Muslims state who are signing up.
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Speaker 16: Absolutely, and again one only needs to think about the
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Speaker 16: Muslim brotherhood and the threats that pose so some of
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Speaker 16: those countries, including Egypt, over the past fifty years to
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Speaker 16: recognize that Hamas represent the threat not just to Israel
50:18
Speaker 16: and to the free world, but to the Arab street
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Speaker 16: and the Arab world. It's certainly not the intention of
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Speaker 16: the Egyptians, for example, to allow movement like the Muslim
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Speaker 16: Brotherhood to spill out of any reintegration of Hamas into society.
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Speaker 16: So the Egyptians will want her masts is, they will
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Speaker 16: want the Palestinians to be able to some degree assert
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Speaker 16: their own law and order and security systems outside of
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Speaker 16: a terror group. And this is the best chance we
50:42
Speaker 16: have at this point in time.
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Speaker 2: I might get you on again and to pull that apart.
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Speaker 2: We've run out of time now, but I think helping
50:51
Speaker 2: people understand the dynamics between Sunni and Shia Muslims in
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Speaker 2: that region is incredibly important. Thank you as always, see
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Speaker 2: tomorrow Nights Up next. James McPherson
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