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Islamic Invasion and the Middle East Meltdown · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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defending biblical Christianity, no topic, off limits.
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And now, here's your host, David Fierazzo.
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Welcome friends, family in Christ.
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We're going to jump right into it today with Andy Woods, pastor, teacher, sugar land
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Bible church in Texas, author of many books, including Babel on the book ends of prophetic
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history and the Middle East meltdown.
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We're going to focus on that today a little bit.
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He's also the president of Chaffer Theological Seminary, founder of Andy Woods Ministries.
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And I really want to recommend friends, you go to Andy Woods Ministries.org.
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And I believe every week they put their pastor's point of view on the website right there
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in the home page.
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I was watching one earlier, the last two weeks, I really encourage you, strongly encourage
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you to watch Andy's pastor's point of view, particularly the one from October 20 and
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that's the prophetic implications of Israel's war.
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So Andy, welcome back to the show.
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Hey David, good to be here.
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Thanks for having me.
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Thanks for your time.
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I just got done recording and now you're doing another show, but we appreciate your voice.
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And you've written a lot about this through the years on prophecy from the biblical world
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view.
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And I'll tell you, when I was going back after what happened in Israel, October 7, I was
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going back and looking at your book Middle East meltdown and reading some of this, I'm
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going, wow, you were trying to send the warning out.
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There will be an Islamic invasion of Israel.
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Why don't you just give us an overview of the book and we'll just take it from there regarding
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and what's happening now today.
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Yeah, well, it's a book about Ezekiel 38 and 39, you know, which I understand and understand
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as a future eschatological and time invasion of Israel in the last days.
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And the book is just sort of an explanation of who is involved.
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It names the principal players.
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Why is the invasion going to happen?
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It's ultimately rooted in anti-Semitism and a desire to gain Israel's wealth.
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I deal with the wind question.
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I try to explain when I think it's going to happen relative to God's total end time program
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as revealed in scripture.
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And then I get into the how question, you know, how is the world stage being set up for
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the fulfillment of the prophecy.
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I do have to say that every time I've gone back and revisited the issue, the scenario
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that was outlined in the book in I think 2016 does not become more murky or ambiguous.
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It becomes more and more clear.
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And so it's really an exciting prophecy to study.
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So I want to again put that book cover up on the screen there, the Middle East meltdown.
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You get on Amazon and you go to Andy Woods Ministries.
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But the subtitle, the coming Islamic invasion of Israel, and he says in the description,
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no matter which presidential administration comes into office in this nation, America,
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and no matter how the calendar turns, this is an issue that does not seem to go away.
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And it won't because, as you said, Ezekiel, foresaw these things 2,600 years ago.
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Andy, what are your thoughts on Psalm 83, which you read that and you go, wow, that could
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be the headlines from what just happened over in early October here in Israel.
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Psalm 83 compared to what we're looking at as far as future prophetic Psalms regarding
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this invasion.
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Well, my view on Psalm 83 is really not as exciting as a lot of people who look at that
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Psalm as a particular prophecy, either fulfilled in 1948, 1967, 1973, or is being fulfilled
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right now.
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I just look at Psalm 83 as what's called an imprecatory prayer.
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The Psalmist is really not making a prediction.
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He is praying God's judgment on Israel's perennial enemies.
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What makes Psalm 83 tricky is the Psalmist names the nations that he wants God to judge.
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So I just see it as a prayer.
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In fact, there's no really, there's no war in Psalm 83.
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Unlike Ezekiel 38 and 39, it's just a kind of a prayer that ASAP is praying.
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He names God's enemies and he says, Lord, I just want you to take these people out.
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So that's why I say my view is not as exciting as a lot of other prophecy teachers.
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So it's okay for us to name names of our enemies and ask God to take them out.
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That's what we want to do sometimes, isn't it?
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Let's go over to some of the names, nine names mentioned in Ezekiel 38 from the book
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you talk about in the Middle East meltdown.
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We hear a lot about the Gog, May Gog War.
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You've got Roche, Misek, Tubal, Persia, Putt, Kush, Gomer, and Tagarma.
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Now could you please explain for people that have not heard some of those and most people
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maybe have heard of Persia, but the others might be a little foreign to people who are
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not students of Bible prophecy.
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Andy, why are these really important when you talk about the coming invasion of Israel
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in the end times?
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Well, they're significant because you'll find them in Genesis 10.
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Genesis 10 is the table of nations, it's where Noah and his descendants settled, post-flood.
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It's just a matter of consulting some historical sources like Josephus and Herodotus and figuring
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out where these people groups eventually settled.
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Once you identify the modern nations containing those people groups, you see those are the names
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that Ezekiel mentions in chapter 38 and 39 that will be involved in the end time invasion.
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I try to deal with this in the book in a chapter called Who Who Was Involved.
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The principal players would be Russia, Turkey, Iran, the Sudan, Libya, and a few others
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that will join forces with Russia and invade the nation of Israel in the end times, and
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it's so interesting to look at the headlines, those are the very nations that are posturing
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against Israel today.
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By the way, in that first chapter on the Who You Say What Is The Overarching Motive of
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these nations attacking Israel, I think the motive is pretty clear, but I want to put
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up that graphic with Israel surrounded and Andy, tell us about this, if we don't know
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their motive, we better wake up, go ahead and explain this.
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Well that graph is very interesting because what you hear on the media constantly is Israel
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is an oppressor, even what's happened since October of the 7th, Israel is the bad guy,
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but that map dispels that because those green areas represent Islamic theocracies who
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in their very own charters threaten to drive Israel into the Mediterranean Sea, that little
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tiny red dot, in fact we have drawn arrow towards it because you can't even see it, represents
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Israel, which by the way is the only semblance of a democracy slash Republican form of government
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in the region, and they'll never show you this map on CNN or MSNBC, because it would
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dispel the narrative, what the world wants you to think is if Israel just gave up a little
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more territory, we'd have peace in the region, which is obviously a ridiculous idea when
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you look at the size of this map, so that's why I like this map, sometimes a picture is worth
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a thousand words, it's an inconvenient truth, which dispels the narrative that Israel
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is somehow the bad guy.
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So we're going to be coming back to this referring to that, because that is so clear, there
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is so much misinformation and ignorance about this, but sadly Andy Woods, it's even in
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the church, when it comes to Bible prophecy, when it comes to Israel and her history and
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Genesis, what we were just talking about, and Ezekiel, there's so much ignorance, but
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when you look at that, you hear people in America, they're having their parades, the Palestinian
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protests and other things, even some members of Congress, you're thinking, how could they
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possibly justify supporting Hamas?
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When you look at this, when you look at Israel, the size of New Jersey and light of what
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you just explained, they are clearly surrounded, outnumbered, and they're certainly not the
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colonizers that some in the West would say they are, that's their talking points, share
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a little bit more about that, please, because there's a lot of people that need to know
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how to respond to others who are misinformed.
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Well, when you go back to 1948, when Israel, the modern state of Israel was born, the world
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was on the side of Israel, and the reason for that is because of the Holocaust, which
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just happened a few years earlier, and the world felt sorry for Israel.
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And then you factor in that with the fact that when the Arabs attacked Israel in 48, 67,
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and 73, they got beaten very, very badly.
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And it's at that point, many believe, analysts believe that Yasser Erafat began to get schooling
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from the then Soviet Union, who were in Russia today, masters of propaganda.
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And they said, you're not going to beat these people militarily.
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What you have to do is you have to shift world opinion to the point where you get the
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Jews to give up a territory within their own land, call the Palestinian state.
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And once you do that, get this two-state solution, you can use it for the final solution,
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the same way Gaza is being used to launch rockets into the land of Israel.
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And so you have to put pressure on the Israelis via the global community to get them to
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give up this territory they called the West Bank, the Bible calls it Judea and Samaria.
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And so that's where the propaganda war and the narrative war started happening.
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And it's one of the great myths of the Middle East that has now been perpetrated, a giant lie
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that the media and politicians and academics have swallowed, that Israel stole the land
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from somebody else, this mythical group called the Palestinians.
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And Israel stole the land from a thriving indigenous civilization.
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And if you convince the world that that's true, then the world will pressure Israel to create
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a, literally a terrorist state within your own borders.
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And once you do that, you can use the two-state solution to accomplish your goal of a final
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solution.
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So what we're involved in is a massive narrative war.
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And this is what most Americans are being hit with, but they just don't have the, as you
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say, the facts at their fingertips to know how to counter it.
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And in the church, we don't have a grasp of Bible prophecy.
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We've got to take a break.
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And we come back.
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I'm going to ask you, what is your take on how we almost lost, I can't say we've lost
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the propaganda war, but that certainly laid the groundwork to what we're seeing today
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in the deception in the West.
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We'll be right back with Andy Woods on World View Matters.
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Andy Woods is our guest today.
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Andy Woods Ministries makes sure to watch his pastor's point of view every week.
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You can get that on his website or on his YouTube.
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But how, Andy, how have we got so far behind in the propaganda war?
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How have they been so successful, I mean, maybe aside from the universities in America,
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but by the way, I read a recent survey, I think 1% are conservative, but how did we,
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it seems like we're really losing and we're so far behind the propaganda war.
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They might not even need the military, but no, the propaganda is very important because
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it's lies and deception.
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Please share your thoughts on that.
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Well, there is a concerted agenda in the pastor's point of view that we recorded that's
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going to be released Friday, I think October the 27th.
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We talk about members of the Biden administration, one man in particular who has a background
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of going into Christian colleges or colleges in general and targeting Christians to change
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their mind on this issue, to make them supporters not of Israel, but rather supporters of the
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so-called Palestinians.
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And that's a movement called Christian Palestinianism.
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It's designed to shift the narrative away from Christian Zionism to Christian Palestinianism
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and to make it sound as if Israel is the oppressor and the Palestinians are the victims.
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And so one of the reasons things have shifted or changed in the church relates to the
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fact that our theology has been targeted.
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And then you couple that with the idea that most pastors and churches aren't teaching
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on prophecy anyway.
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And so Christians don't really have a strong theological basis for standing for Israel
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when she's attacked the way she has.
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So the church has been intentionally targeted and we've largely brought it on ourselves
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through our own sort of self-censorship where we don't talk about Bible prophecy anymore.
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Doesn't it seem like Christian Palestinianism is an oxymoron and wouldn't that be like
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saying Christian Islamism or something like that?
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Can you, I mean to you and I, that's like how ridiculous?
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Yeah, I mean the name Palestine comes from Philistine.
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Right.
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And it's a term that Emperor Hadrian came up with in the second century when he wanted
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to pretend like the Jews were never in the land of Israel at all after they had been displaced.
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And he mocked the Jewish people by naming that territory called the land of Israel.
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Matthew chapter 2 verses 19 through 21 calls it the land of Israel.
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He wanted to name it Palestine after Israel's ancient enemies.
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And so when we use this term Palestine, we have to understand that we're using a loaded,
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politically loaded anti-Semitic term without fully realizing it.
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So the name Palestine is not found in the Bible anymore than the name West Bank is found
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in the Bible.
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These are intentionally chosen, politically loaded terms to create with the goal of this
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two-state solution, a terrorist state within the borders of Israel to accomplish Islam's
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ultimate goal of the final solution.
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So I do want to get back to your book, the Middle East meltdown.
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But I want to go to a slide that you recently talked about transforming David into
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Goliath.
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I want you to walk us through this and tell us what we're looking at as far as this comparison
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goes.
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Well, that's just a chart that I came up with taking some information from a website called
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Middle East Facts.
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And when you look at that chart, you see very fast that Israel is not the oppressor contrary
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to what the media says.
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So when you look at the left-hand column, it's got different categories and then under
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each category, you look at Israel's neighbors versus Israel.
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So Israel has 21 neighbors versus one Israel, the neighbor's size is 640 times Israel's
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size, Israel is 119th the size of California.
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The population of Israel's neighbors is 250 million, 1.4 billion Muslims worldwide.
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Israel is just a meager nation of 7 million people.
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All of those neighbors are Islamic theocracies and dictatorships.
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Israel is the lone democratic slash republic in that part of the world.
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Those neighbors control most of the world's oil supply Israel is sitting on some potential
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oil discoveries.
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None of the neighbors want peace with Israel with the exception of Jordan and Egypt who entered
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into treaties with Israel, but Israel by contrast has expressed a desire to live in peace
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with their neighbors.
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And her neighbors are controlled by a holy book called the Quran, which commands worldwide
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submission to Islam.
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Israel by contrast is controlled by the Torah, which carves out for her a little sliver of
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real estate on the Mediterranean coast.
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So anybody that looks at a chart like that or a map that we had earlier can't feel sorry
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for the Rashida Talibs, the Ilhan Omar's, the Alexandria Ocasio portesis of the world.
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Who are organizing protest movements on behalf of the Palestinians, trying to pretend that
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Israel is oppressing the Palestinians.
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Wow.
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You mentioned their names.
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Thank you.
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They are endorsing murder, rape, the beheading of babies, torture, burning people alive.
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We've got Democrats in our government and we, I mean, we've got the Muslim brotherhood
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in our government too, but I mean, we've got Democrats and we've got people in our country
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that are endorsing this.
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Some of them are deceived, others are deceivers.
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Andy, what are your thoughts on that?
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It's very dangerous because of the ignorance and the misinformation that people are seeing
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this thinking, you know, Israel doesn't deserve to defend herself and go ahead, share
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your thoughts.
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What they're calling for a ceasefire, meaning what?
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Israel is attacked viciously.
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You just depicted it and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says we need a ceasefire.
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What is she talking about?
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What she's saying is Israel doesn't have a right to defend herself.
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That's right.
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And let me draw this equivalent.
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I mean, let's say some sort of hostile force took over California and Florida and they
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wanted a third of Washington, D.C.
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And let's say they got all of that.
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And they used those California and Florida as becheds to launch rocket attacks into the
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rest of the United States.
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I mean, what of the world would we do with that?
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Anybody in the right mind says we need to root out terror cells within our own country.
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Any nation has the right to do that.
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And what they're saying with let's have a ceasefire, let's have a protest movement and
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pretend like Israel brought all of this on themselves.
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Is Israel can't function like any other sovereign nation, you know, has the right to function
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and root out terror within its own territory?
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So Israel is being put under a standard that we would not expect or require of any normal
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sovereign nation.
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That's right.
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That's right.
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That's right.
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Don't fight back.
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Did you see the Babylon be there to meme saying like Hamas saying, well, wait a minute.
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We wanted the kind of war where they weren't going to fight back, but Andy, gosh, there's
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so much.
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And we've just got about five minutes left.
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I have not talked to you since October 7 because our show was before that previously.
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Your original original thoughts, I mean, a lot of us were surprised.
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It seemed like our Pearl Harbor or 9-11 were, we were caught off guard.
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Israel with all their technology and defense system and the iron dome, everything.
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They were caught off guard and Hamas got in there.
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What are your overall thoughts on what happened?
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Well, it's, it is interesting how they have this intelligence gap because this attack was
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timed 50 days, excuse me, 50 years to the day of the young Kapoor War when that broke
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out.
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So Israel should have known this is coming.
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I'm saddened to watch a lot of my evangelical colleagues move into conspiracy theories and
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say, well, Netanyahu was in on it and he wanted to get attacked.
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He wanted this decapitation of babies to occur, you know, to increase his own power.
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I think those types of statements are ridiculous.
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Yep.
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I don't respond to any of it.
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But I do believe that the Biden administration and Intel does not like Netanyahu because of
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his stance on the judicial bypass where he weakened the power of the Israeli Supreme
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Court, which was kind of a rogue entity at the time, which was passing, you know, politically
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incorrect legislation, independent of the jurisdiction of the prime minister and the
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people of Israel.
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Well, Netanyahu took a stand against that and the Biden and that weakened liberalism
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within Israel.
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And the Biden administration, I think, took note of that and with some of their friends
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in Intel, Patrick Bern on his Twitter feed offers this as a plausible potential explanation.
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This was payback time by Biden and his friends for Netanyahu's stance on this judicial bypass
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and somehow they were able to influence things which damage Israeli intelligence.
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I'm much more comfortable with an explanation like that than moving into this wild conspiracy
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theory where, you know, Netanyahu is somehow the bad guy.
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So what are your brief thoughts on the seemingly lack of accountability when it comes to their
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spending American taxpayer dollars to fund Iran?
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And from what I've recently read, I think Biden is trying to play both sides here.
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I'm sending Hamas some money, but I'm sending Israel some money.
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What are your thoughts on that?
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Well, I think the Biden administration is currently the most anti-Israel administration
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that we've ever had in American history.
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That's right.
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And I just got finished recording a pastor's point of view, which is going to be released
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Friday, October the 27th.
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And I quote there from an article, it's from John Solomon's website.
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And he goes through a player after player that has a key position in the Biden administration
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right down to Blinken.
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And he said, let's look at the background of these people.
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You know, it's stunning the amount of anti-Israel activities that they've been involved
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in.
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And so if for no or the reason, we really need to clean house November of 2024.
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We don't need an administration that's influenced by anti-Israelism.
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We need an administration much like the Trump administration that did a great many beneficial
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things on behalf of the Jewish nation.
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Yeah, the Trump administration, the most pro-Israel in our history from my understanding
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with his policies, moving the embassy, so they had a good relationship from Netanyahu.
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But anyway, Andy, we're going to have to pick this up another time.
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We've got to have this conversation continue.
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There's so much, as you said, we need to talk about, we could do two hours.
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That's why you do what an hour, hour and a half, pastor's point of view.
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Well, I was supposed to do an hour, but lately I've been busting the clock again, this is
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the gravity of the circumstances.
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Yeah.
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And it is serious.
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We need to pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
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We know, I read Zechariah 12, 13, 14.
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We didn't get to that.
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I wanted to touch on that.
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We Zechariah 12, two through two and three.
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God's going to win in the end.
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He does win.
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We win.
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But we have to get through some really ugly times, some really disheartening potentially times.
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Your final thoughts to encourage Christians in America on how we can respond to people
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who are misinformed or don't understand Bible prophecy?
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Well, just directive back to facts, facts are stubborn things like the chart we put up
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and understand that this is really a trial related to God's faithfulness.
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It's encouraging that God is going to keep his word to the Jew as we see him doing.
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Because if he's going to keep his word to the Jew, he's going to keep his word to you.
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And we can trust him as a covenant-keeping, promise-keeping God.
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Amen.
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God bless you, brother.
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Andy Woods Ministries.
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Check it out, friends.
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Andy will talk to you hopefully soon.
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God bless you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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All right, guys.
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Well, that wraps it up.
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Let's see.
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What do we have on tap tomorrow?
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It is pastor Joe Shimmel of Seamy Valley, California, Blessed Hope Chapel, and founder of Good
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Fight Ministries.
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He's got a children's book out and we'll talk with him tomorrow on World View Matters.
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God bless you.
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And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.