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Lesley Groff And The Transcript From Her Epstein Related Trip to Congress (Part 8) (7/5/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to get right
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  back to Leslie Groff and her conversation with Congress, and
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  now let's throw Conna asking the questions. Thank you, miss Groff.
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  I want to ask you about several men in mister
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  Epstein's orbit, and I want you to answer for these men.
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  Did you ever see, hear, schedule, arrange, or learn of
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  any sexual activity with a minor girl or a young
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  woman who is introduced to these men by mister Epstein
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  or Miss Maxwell. First, Les Wexner Groff, No, Conna, never
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  heard scheduled arranged, learned of any sexual activity of any
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  young woman by mister Wexner, ms Groff, that's correct. No,
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  mister Conna, Alan Dershowitz Groff, No Glenn Dubin, No Conna.
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  Beyond these names, are there any other men in mister
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  Epstein's network who you believe should be investigated for is
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  sexually abusing, exploiting, or seeking access to women or girls
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  through the Epstein or Miss Maxwell Graff? No Conna. Do
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  you believe the first lady is right that mister Epstein
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  did not act alone in the abuse of young women,
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  Miss Groff, I'm sorry, could you say that? First, lady, Conna?
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  The first lady Malania Trump has said that mister Epstein
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  did not act alone. There were other men who were
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  involved in the abuse of young women. Do you agree
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  with her? Groff? I'm sorry, Malania Trump. Could you say
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  that again? I'm sorry, Conna, sure, I'm not trying to
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  trick you. She just said that Epstein did not act
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  alone in the abuse of young women. Do you agree
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  with that? Graff? I don't know. No, I don't know, Conna,
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  So you disagree with her? I mean, to your knowledge,
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  she's saying that he didn't act alone. To your knowledge,
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  gets cut off by Groff. To my knowledge, Conna cuts
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  her off. Who acted alone? There's no one else? Groff? Yeah, Conna.
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  I mean it's your testimony under oath that you were
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  aware of no one other than Maxwell or Epstein who
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  in any way was involved in afficking, abuse, assault, exploitation
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  of young girls. Miss Groff, that is correct, Conna, Okay,
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  miss an sorry, thank you. I'd like to start by
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  asking some questions about Les Wexner. In particular, how would
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  you describe mister Epstein's relationship with mister Wexner during your
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  employment with mister Epstein, Graff, during my employment Yes, as
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  business business professional and sorry, and did their relationship change
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  over time, Groff? I knew that they needed mister Wexner
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  was no longer going to be a client of mister
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  Epstein's around two thousand and eight, Miss n Sorry so
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  you said two thousand and eight. I think either two
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  thousand and seven or two thousand and eight. We know
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  that mister Wexner ended his relationship with mister Epstein. Mister
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  Wexner later said that the reason he did this is
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  because he discovered that mister Epstein had stolen several hundred
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  million dollars from him prior to two thousand and seven.
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  Were you aware of mister Epstein's efforts to take money
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  from mister Wexner without his knowledge, Graff? No and sorry?
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  And when did you first learn of any allegations that
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  mister Ebstein was stealing money from mister Wexner. Graff Not
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  until after twenty nineteen and sorry, Okay, so not at
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  all during the two thousand and eight two thousand and
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  seven time period, Graef. No and sorry, did you ever
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  talk to mister Epstein about mister Wexner's claims that mister
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  Epstein stole money from him. Graff, No, and sorry, I
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  just want to go back thank you for that. I
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  just want to go back to some of the questions
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  about what redacted was asking about your knowledge. Of course,
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  two thousand and six, mister Ebstein was arrested. Two thousand
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  and eight, he pleaded guilty. He told you it was blackmail.
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  You continue to work for him until twenty nineteen. In hindsight,
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  I understand your testimony. But in hindsight, is there anything
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  that you saw or heard that would give you pause
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  or that should have given you pause? Graff. In hindsight,
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  we all have access to his personal emails. It's awful.
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  It's horrendous. I feel terrible. I wish that someone had
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  come to me and said something. I would have helped them.
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  I would have gone to the authorities. As said, everyone
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  seemed happy to be in his orbit. I actually thought
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  of them as fortunate. I was happy for them that
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  it seemed to me like their lives were going to
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  be better than possibly the direction they were heading. Miss An. Sorry,
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  and you're specifically speaking to the staff or the women,
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  the girls grow off any of the victims, and especially
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  the traveling assistance who I knew. It breaks my heart. Yeah,
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  and sorry, I think, just you know, speaking really as
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  a human being, I think it's hard to believe that,
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  after knowing that he was arrested and pleaded guilty to
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  solicitation of a minor, being so close in his orbit
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  for ten plus years, that there was nothing that you
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  would have seen being so intimately involved that should have
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  given you pause. And I think for us, as we
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  do our investigation and trying to get closer to the truth,
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  it would be as helpful as possible to know if
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  there's somebody else that we should interview, or anyone else
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  that you think we should talk to that would have
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  seen or could guide us further to further answers. Graf,
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  I want to be helpful. I did not see anything inappropriate.
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  He was a master manipulator and kept me on the outside,
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  and it was I can see, completely on purpose. He
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  lied to me, and I think he lied to everyone,
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  and I think he was an absolute professional at keeping
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  people separated. And sorry, thank you, mister Submaranium. We were
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  just talking about scheduling earlier. Did you schedule any meetings
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  with Jeffrey Epstein and other heads of state or high
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  profile politicians, Graff, like Bill Clinton, Someranium. Yeah, are there
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  any names that come to mind of high profile politicians
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  that you scheduled meetings with Jeffrey Epstein, Groff, Yes, I
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  mean I know he met with Alan Dershowitz, he met
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  Larry Summers. Would come, he's asking about politicians, Graf, Right,
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  but would come he's asking about politicians. Groff. Let's see,
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  I remember him speaking with Senator Kerry. I remember him
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  speaking with General Wesley Clark. I remember him speaking with
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  in politics, George Mitchell, governor of New Mexico, sorry, governor
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  of New Mexico. Let's see, Well, early on he spoke
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  with Trump, but that was before he became president. Mister Submaranian,
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  what do you mean he spoke with Trump? Did you
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  set up schedule meetings with him and Trump? Groff? I
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  would connect phone calls, that was it, Summaranium. Was that
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  pretty frequent? Graff? No, and you know what I get it,
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  But not one question about George Mitchell or Senator Kerry.
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  All of it matters, not just your jihad against the
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  president and the administration. Now, of course that's part of it,
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  but that can't be the sole focus. Ms Groff, I
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  don't know. Do you have names that you want to Summaranian? Yeah?
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  What about Prince Andrew? How often did you connect them? Graff? Oh? Yeah,
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  he spoke with Prince Andrew. Summaranian? How often, Graff, if
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  Prince Andrew was in town, you know, let's say it
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  would be the week he was in town. But after
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  that he went back to the UK. You know, it
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  was infrequent, mister Submaranian. What about elhwud Brock, former Prime Minister,
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  Miss Groff elhwud Brock, yes, mister Submaranian. How often would
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  they meet? Miss Groff? Well, the same thing if elhud
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  was in town. If mister Brock was in town, they
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  would meet for breakfast, lunch, dinner, have appointments, But when
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  he was out of town it would be less frequent.
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  Mister Submaranian. Did you make appointments for any of his
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  assistants or any of the girls around with other people? Answer? No,
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  mister Submaranian. So it was always appointments for Jeffrey Epstein
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  and someone else. It never veered from that, Groff, correct, Submaranian.
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  So what about Glenn Maxwell without Jeffrey Epstein, would you
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  ever set anything up, Groff. I didn't set up appointments
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  for miss Maxwell. Submaranian. Did you ever arrange travel for
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  mister Epstein and the girls? Groff is traveling assistants Submaranian? Yes, Groff,
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  they would go on the plane with them. Submaranian. Did
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  you arrange like, did you handle their passports or I
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  view their passports in any way? Graff? No, Summaranian, So
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  you never saw their passports, Miss Groff, I may have
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  seen a passport a picture of a passport, but I
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  never had anything to do with the passports, mister Summaranian,
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  So you didn't arrange their travel, just his travel, Groff.
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  If an assistant needed to meet with them, say one
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  assistant was going to leave and another assistant was going
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  to come in, then I might make a commercial airline
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  flight for that assistant, Summaranian. And so you would handle
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  their ID? Is that correct for making a commercial airline Graff?
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  I never had their ID? Some Iranian? You never handled ID? Graf? No,
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  some Iranian? Would you have to insert the birthdate? Graff?
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  Insert the birth day? Sure? Some Iranians? So you knew
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  their ages of any of the girls gets cut off
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  by Graf, Yeah, I would know it at the time. Sure,
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  some Iranian okay? Were any of them under eighteen graf? No?
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  Some Iranian okay? So everyone where you handled their information
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  was over eighteen graf yes, Summerannium okay? Great? And then
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  do you know who you must have known who Barbara
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  and bamb It was? Is that correct? Graf? Yes? Submaranian?
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  And do you know what I'm referring to when I
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  say BBB girls graf? I do Summerannium. What is your
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  understanding of that? Miss Graff? There were Barbara's best and brightest.
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  I think that's what the BBB stood for. They were
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  the Stockholm School of Economics and they were, you know,
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  very bright women that I think it was a social
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  group or a mentoring group of hers. Summerannium are you
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  aware of it? Looks like my time is up. I'll
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  move on to the next questioner. Now it's Melanie Stansbury,
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  Miss Stansbury High. Ms Graff High Stansbury, thank you so
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  much for coming in. We appreciate it. I'm Melanie Stansbury.
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  I represent New Mexico and as you are probably aware,
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  New Mexico is passed a bipartisan Truth Commission that is
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  trying to piece together the story of Dora Ranch, what
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  happened there, to understand the abuse of both people who
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  were brought to the ranch as well as locals who
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  are recruited for massages. And it's completely bipartisan effort, and
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  really our effort is really to get to the heart
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  of it. And so I see on various flight records
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  that you visited Zoro Ranch. Did you travel You did not, Graff,
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  I never went to Zoro Ranch. Stansbury, Okay, I'm sorry,
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  I thought you had Groff. No, Stansbury, did you schedule
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  massages for mister Epstein while he was at Zoro Ranch,
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  Miss Groff, It's possible. Nothing comes to mind, but it's possible, Stansbury,
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  given that you were you had eyes on a schedule,
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  and you were arranging various activities for him while he
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  was traveling. Are there prominent New Mexico figures or people
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  associated with New Mexico other than the Governor who you
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  already mentioned that you scheduled appointments for that you were
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  aware of that he was hanging out with. Miss Graff. Know,
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  I don't recall anybody except the Governor, Miss Stansbury. So
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  what was your understanding of why he was going to
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  New Mexico, Miss Groff. That was kind of like vacation
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  time for him. He didn't go very often, Stansbury. About
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  how often would you say he went, Groff once a year,
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  Maybe it was his least visited location, Stansbury. So did
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  you not schedule appointments and meetings and massages for him
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  while he was there? Groff? I would, but I would
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  say that it became a lot less. I think it
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  was more like a vacation, if you will, Stansbury. So
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  who was this scheduler at that time, Groff? It would
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  be whatever, whoever traveling assistant Stansbury, Okay, Miss Groff. They
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  would be there on the premise. And he had a
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  full staff there in ranch hands. Not that the ranch
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  hands were scheduling appointments, but he did have a staff
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  that lived there I believe year round. It was not
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  a place that he went very often that I could see, Stansbury, Okay.
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  In terms of scheduling massages. In the earlier part of
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  the interview today, you said, as I heard you say,
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  that you schedule massages often on a daily basis, Epstein.
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  And you also said in your earlier statement that you
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  also scheduled massages for others. Can you tell us of
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  the people you schedule massages for other than Jeffrey Epstein Groth? Yeah, sure,
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  I recall Kathy Rumler. He would he'd like to give
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  Spot cards as gifts, and I know that he gave
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  her a SPA gift or treatments just to help her out.
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  I think she was very busy. Stansbury. Can you pull
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  up some more names because we have limited time here, Groff,
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  She's the only one that comes to mind that I
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  can recall. Stansbury, did you ever schedule massages for men? Groth?
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  It's possible. I don't recall a man that I would
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  have scheduled a massage for Stansbury. Okay, moving on to
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  your renuneration of your employment with mister Epstein. There's email
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  correspondence in the files the DJ released that indicate that
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  at least once, if not multiple times, in your employment,
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  you were paid through a loan that you arrange with
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  Richard Kahn, and it actually says in the correspondence that
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  it was forgivable upon his death. Groth. Yes, Stansbury, have
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  you received any lump sums or loans that you can
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  tell us? The total amount of money you received from
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  Jeffrey Epstein or is his state graf. So in twenty sixteen,
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  I believe my salary did change to a loan plus
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  a small paycheck, and the loan I just was told
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  it was a new structure that my salary would be
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  and how it would be now. And in twenty sixteen
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  it was one hundred thousand, and I believe it was
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  the same for twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, and then in
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  twenty nineteen it was one hundred and ten thousand. But
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  as that happened, the salary portion became less. Stansbury. But
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  did you receive any other large lump sums outside your
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  salary Graf? No, except for maybe a bonus the ten
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  thousand dollars bonus I mentioned in two thousand and five,
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  And it's possible I got some bonuses, but I think
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  that ten thousand was the biggest one I ever received. Stansbury.
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  Have you ever received any money from his estate after
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  his death? Graff? From his estate after his death? Yes,
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  When I retained my attorneys, he had set up some
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  sort of fund to pay my attorney's bills the minute
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  he died. That seas to exist anymore. I don't recall
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  how Stansbury cuts her off. How much money did you
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  receive from the estate? Graff? Yeah, I don't recall. My
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  attorneys would submit the invoices to the estate. Stansbury. Did
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  you receive any other money aside from attorney fees from
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  the estate Graff recently, Miss Whitcomb, she set aside from
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  attorney fees. Graff, aside from attorney fees, wouldcom I think so, Stansbury.
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  I would like to hear the rest of your answer.
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  Go ahead, Graff, Yeah, aside from attorney fees, no, Stansbury, okay.
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  And then I have one final question, which is you
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  are named as a co conspirator in the DOJ's investigation
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  of the case. Beyond the original non prosecution agreement. Your
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  name appears multiple times from twenty nineteen through Maxwell's prosecution.
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  Did you ever receive any sort of plea agreement? Were
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  you investigated by the DOJ? What's the status of the
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  DOJ's investigation into you, Graff, there's no plea deal. I
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  did sit with them voluntarily and answered all their questions,
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  and they deem me not guilty of being a co conspirator. Stansbury,
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  was that put in writing somewhere. Groff I believe we
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  asked them to do that, but they said that's not
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  something they do Stansbury. Well, if we're able to provide
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  any correspondence to the committee, that would be very helpful.
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  Thank you appreciated. All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up
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  right here and in the next episode dealing with the topic,
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  we're gonna pick up where we left off. All the
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