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5-29-26 Hour 1 - Assessing the Avs & Nugs roster/Von Miller joins the show/RIP Claude Lemieux · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 1: This is Mosher, Lombardi and Caine on demand.
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  Speaker 3: I was watching Spurs and Thunder last night and sort
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  Speaker 3: of came to a realization that when the Nuggets played
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  Speaker 3: against the Timberwolves, not just in this series, but a
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  Speaker 3: couple of years ago as well, and the sort of
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  Speaker 3: thought process coming out of that was, well, Minnesota built
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  Speaker 3: their team to stop Denver. And I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: that's totally the case, but it's certainly part of it.
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  Speaker 3: Is Tim Conley goes over to the Nuggets or I'm
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  Speaker 3: sorry to the Timberwolves from the Nuggets, and the Nuggets
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  Speaker 3: won a championship, and now you are the taste of
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  Speaker 3: the town, and team's got to look at you and say, well,
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  Speaker 3: how do we stop that when we face them in
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  Speaker 3: the postseason. So there's certainly something to that, And now
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  Speaker 3: all I'm thinking is, how do you build your team
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  Speaker 3: to stop that stuff? How do you build your team
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  Speaker 3: to stop what OKAC can do with their depth, and
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  Speaker 3: how do you build your team to stop whatever the
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  Speaker 3: hell it is that the Spurs are doing, Like You're
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  Speaker 3: no longer in a place where you're being the team
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  Speaker 3: that people are building to beat. You need to build
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  Speaker 3: your team to beat others, and that stakes I like
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  Speaker 3: the other place better. I like when teams are building
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  Speaker 3: their rosters to counteract what Joker does. I like when
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  Speaker 3: teams are building what their roster is to counteract mccarr
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  Speaker 3: and McKinnon. And maybe that stuff is starting to flip
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  Speaker 3: a little bit now because you watched it last night.
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  Speaker 3: I know that the Spurs have this cheat code which
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  Speaker 3: is just throw somebody seven to five in the middle
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  Speaker 3: of the paint who is athletic athletic, and that can
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  Speaker 3: really put a damper on OKAC getting in the paint.
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  Speaker 3: But you need to think about what are you going
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  Speaker 3: to do to compete with that down the road. And
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  Speaker 3: the problem is I don't have a clear and concise
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  Speaker 3: answer for really either the as or the nuggets to
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  Speaker 3: how will go about it?
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  Speaker 4: To go about that?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that perhaps is the most astute thing
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  Speaker 1: you said there. There there is no easy answer. You
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  Speaker 1: just sort of survive. Yeah, Moji, wait you wait in
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  Speaker 1: the waters and you wait, I mean, because you mentioned
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  Speaker 1: a lot of things this week that makes sense for
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  Speaker 1: the first time since I've been doing the show with you.
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  Speaker 1: For the ABS, it's the trust factor, right, Like, you
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  Speaker 1: can get through the season next year, kick butt, but
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  Speaker 1: you're looking at the playoffs going on though. For the
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  Speaker 1: Nuggets it's it's always seems to be the injury factor,
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  Speaker 1: the Minnesota factor. So how do you how do you
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  Speaker 1: get through all that?
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  Speaker 2: How do you know?
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  Speaker 1: Like, how do you know when they wanted in twenty
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  Speaker 1: two and twenty three most how did you know?
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  Speaker 2: You didn't know.
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  Speaker 1: That's sports.
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  Speaker 5: You didn't know, No, didn't know. But by the time they.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, Man, through two rounds, I felt really good.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't feel good through two rounds this year?
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  Speaker 2: Come on, No, I did? I did? I did. I'm
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  Speaker 2: just saying for that Nuggets team, I was vibing that year,
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  Speaker 2: big time, I was vibing this year. I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: told the first thing I said to Brett I walk
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  Speaker 2: in here this morning. What's the first thing I said
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  Speaker 2: besides besides go blank yourself?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, besides the bleepers?
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  Speaker 3: Wait right, no, he said, Hanter, This abslost is gonna
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  Speaker 3: take me a long time.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, I know, I know there's a lot of
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  Speaker 4: people who feel that way.
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  Speaker 2: Last night, I folded some laundry. The TV was off,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't watch. I checked my phone in the about
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  Speaker 2: halfway through the second quarter, and I saw the Spurs
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  Speaker 2: had themselves a pretty nice lead. I'm thinking to myself,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna plow this lead. I'll catch
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  Speaker 2: you game seven. Yo, that's peace out, and I cut.
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  Speaker 2: I fixed my I fixed my video birdhouse last night,
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  Speaker 2: had to take it apart and fix.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I I just keep going through your entire night.
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  Speaker 1: What else did you do?
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  Speaker 5: I'm saying that.
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  Speaker 1: No, I mean seriously, I mean, give give us a
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  Speaker 1: total play by.
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  Speaker 2: Play of your night, all right? And then I, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you're not gonna believe what my dogs did yesterday last night, I.
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  Speaker 4: Think Vic was being sarcastic.
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  Speaker 2: No, but this is this is important. He's right, this
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  Speaker 2: is why. But this is where the.
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  Speaker 5: Pain comes in.
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  Speaker 2: No, man, that's the earliest, the earliest we've had that
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  Speaker 2: on the show.
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  Speaker 4: Playing him off, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Playing him off in the first segment, the first comments
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  Speaker 1: he's made.
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  Speaker 5: I'm downstairs in the kitchen bouncing around fixing.
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  Speaker 2: My birdhouse, and I get this from way upstairs in
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  Speaker 2: the in the bedroom.
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  Speaker 4: Honah, most what are you doing.
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  Speaker 5: I'm explaining what the hell.
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  Speaker 1: Are you talking? I mean, this is when you're having
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  Speaker 1: a conversation and I don't know what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: This is the last thing before this is the last
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  Speaker 2: thing of me not watching and can't watch hockey or
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  Speaker 2: couldn't watch that game last night. So I'm just hurting inside,
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  Speaker 2: last thing of what I did last night. Honeh you
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  Speaker 2: get those right from downstairs?
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  Speaker 1: Uh huh, bring your plastic bag. Bring a plastic bag, hurry.
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  Speaker 3: I do.
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  Speaker 2: And one of my dogs had caught and killed a
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  Speaker 2: rabbit without anybody knowing, brought it upstairs and laid it
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  Speaker 2: on the bedroom floor. I've been there anyway. That's that's
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  Speaker 2: my night, Victim.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, that's great.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
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  Speaker 4: I thought this was going to tie into your avalanche
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  Speaker 4: thing something.
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  Speaker 2: It is it is.
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  Speaker 5: I can't watch I can't.
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't watch the game last night, the basketball game,
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't. I can't watch anything competitive today. I can't
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  Speaker 2: watch game game six of that series tonight.
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm thankful that the real Moses is back.
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  Speaker 3: It's what I just took the abs losing in the playoffs,
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  Speaker 3: and now we're back.
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  Speaker 1: When the ads were playing, he was focused, he was
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  Speaker 1: the brevity was part of his routine. Caci, Yes, But
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  Speaker 1: now the real MOS is back and I love it
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  Speaker 1: so thank you for that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm also a little bit sideways, boys, and this is
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  Speaker 2: genuine about the loss of Claude le Mew. We'll get
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  Speaker 2: to that as the program goes on today. But I'm
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  Speaker 2: trying to I'm trying to laugh my way. I'm just
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  Speaker 2: trying to laugh my way through brain issues.
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  Speaker 3: Go ahead, Well, I guess here's what I'm getting at
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  Speaker 3: is this is how I feel, the farther remove from
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  Speaker 3: the stinging pain of what Game four and getting swept was.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just telling you where mentally I'm moving. And this
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  Speaker 3: isn't something that I've tried to convince myself.
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  Speaker 4: It's just I'm kind of listening to.
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  Speaker 3: I can't say that because Moses is on one to
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  Speaker 3: say listening to my body talk, but I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 3: do that.
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  Speaker 4: But here's what happened.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the farther I get away from the loss,
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  Speaker 3: the more I've come to this conclusion. I just think
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  Speaker 3: that series was weird, and sometimes in sports, weird stuff
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  Speaker 3: happens like that. That series did not shake a trust
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  Speaker 3: that I had in McKinnon and mccarr. It did not
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  Speaker 3: shake what I believed in for the previous ninety one
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  Speaker 3: games before that series started. I don't think my brain's
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  Speaker 3: allowing me to take a four game sample out of
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  Speaker 3: ninety five games total where ninety one of them looked
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  Speaker 3: remarkably similar to each other and saying, well, the four
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  Speaker 3: is the representation of how you need to operate the
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  Speaker 3: offseason moving forward.
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  Speaker 1: I can't do it.
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  Speaker 3: I just think that I was a weird circumstance of
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  Speaker 3: everything that could go wrong did and it wasn't some
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  Speaker 3: sort of fatal flaw within the team.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I'll take it a step further, and I beg for
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  Speaker 1: forgiveness before I even say this to all the Texters,
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  Speaker 1: the angry textures and twitters who may not agree with
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  Speaker 1: what I'm about to say. The longer time passes from
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  Speaker 1: that series, the more I believe that series was a fluke.
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  Speaker 4: Fluke that's the word I used in the appetizer.
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  Speaker 1: That's how my brain's feeling. Yeah, and you may I
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  Speaker 1: could see people right now typing in ah mot what
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  Speaker 1: are they saying? A yeah, now I choose to believe
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  Speaker 1: that because there's no way. I dig deep into my shoulders,
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  Speaker 1: no way. I look at that Vegas Vegas team and
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  Speaker 1: say to me that that's a four oh sweep of
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  Speaker 1: There's no way it was a fluke. Play it again
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  Speaker 1: in two weeks. You know what, Give us the Mosier
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  Speaker 1: mulligan on eighteen when he desperately needs to win the hole.
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  Speaker 1: Then he sends his t shot wide right, and then
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  Speaker 1: we give him Anulla mulligan and he goes wide left.
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  Speaker 1: Give us two Mosia mulligans, and then of course he's
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  Speaker 1: out of the hole and he tells his partner you finish,
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  Speaker 1: I'm done.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not out.
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  Speaker 3: But here, you know what's funny is I don't think
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  Speaker 3: that's a bad comparison. You played solid golf for seventeen
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  Speaker 3: holes and it's just the hole that.
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  Speaker 4: You ended up blowing up on.
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  Speaker 2: Was the end.
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  Speaker 3: And you're like, well, am I bad at golf? Like, no,
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  Speaker 3: you're not bad at golf. You had a really weird hole.
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  Speaker 3: That's that's the way that that I'm looking at this.
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  Speaker 1: But what caused it?
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  Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: Vic and I watched a clip yesterday that Roger put
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  Speaker 3: out and it was I think from between the pipes
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  Speaker 3: after the game. So they are understandably emotional, Like nobody
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  Speaker 3: is going to give you the more raw emotional reaction
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  Speaker 3: than some somebody doing a postgame show, especially when the
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  Speaker 3: Avs get eliminated the way that they did. But I'm
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  Speaker 3: here in Raj yell at Springer. Yeah, like they're yelling
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  Speaker 3: at each other. Really yeah, like I got that intense
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  Speaker 3: they love each other, but they were yelling because Springer
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  Speaker 3: was like, I'm open to the idea of trading McKinnon
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  Speaker 3: or trading mccarr Like something's got to change.
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  Speaker 4: But that's like your your.
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  Speaker 3: Raw emotional reaction to something that you are very displeased
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  Speaker 3: with and you feel incredibly disappointed. And the more I
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  Speaker 3: think about it, I'm like, this team led the league
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  Speaker 3: in goals scored, this team led the league in goals allowed,
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  Speaker 3: this team went through the first two series of the
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  Speaker 3: playoffs winning eight of nine games, and then they get
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  Speaker 3: bounced in four. None of that makes sense, Nobody, Why
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  Speaker 3: would I operate doing things in the off season over
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  Speaker 3: something that I think is the outlier and anomaly to
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  Speaker 3: the year.
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  Speaker 2: One thing I've learned through all these years of teams
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  Speaker 2: being eliminated is that people, they themselves, the fans are
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  Speaker 2: emotional about it, and they should be, but they want
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  Speaker 2: to fix things. They want to be smart about things
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  Speaker 2: about this will work, and I know that'll worry and
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  Speaker 2: then this kind of thing. I'm not gonna sit here
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  Speaker 2: and want to moe about about coming in here and
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  Speaker 2: talking to folks. And I also admit that I'm close
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  Speaker 2: to the situation where maybe others are not. But it's
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  Speaker 2: hard for me, Brett, to not completely agree with you,
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  Speaker 2: knowing knowing what I know about this team and about
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  Speaker 2: it's just all encompassing. If I'm I feel I feel
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  Speaker 2: like if I sit here, though, I feel like if
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  Speaker 2: I sit here and I say to listening at all
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  Speaker 2: those Avalanche fans out there and then the fans of
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  Speaker 2: other teams who are just eager to get on our
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  Speaker 2: bacon right, and I say, I don't know how to
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  Speaker 2: tell you this, but that that was not real, but
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  Speaker 2: it was right, But it was because you're you lost
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  Speaker 2: in four games and you're going.
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  Speaker 3: But here's the difference, Mos, And I'll make a comparison
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  Speaker 3: for you. The way that I feel about the Avalanche
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  Speaker 3: is not remotely the way that I feel about the Nuggets.
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  Speaker 2: I agree.
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  Speaker 3: When the Nuggets lost to the t Wolves, I was like,
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  Speaker 3: this is a major problem. The fact that it didn't
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  Speaker 3: literally did not matter who Minnesota had on the floor.
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  Speaker 3: You remove ant from the equation, you removed to soon
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  Speaker 3: moved to Vincenzo the host of players who didn't play
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  Speaker 3: late in that series.
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  Speaker 4: I think the Nuggets.
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  Speaker 3: Lose to the Timberwolves because the Timberwolves are better than
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  Speaker 3: they were, and that's a problem because that's not even
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  Speaker 3: a top three team in Western Conference, or at least
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  Speaker 3: not top two.
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  Speaker 4: That's an issue.
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  Speaker 3: And in the case of the Avs, if I removed,
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  Speaker 3: just to make a Minnesota example, if I took Dorfiev
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  Speaker 3: and I took Jack Eichel and Howden out of the
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  Speaker 3: lineup for Vegas, do the Avs win the series?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah they do.
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  Speaker 3: And you did that for the Nuggets, and the Nuggets
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  Speaker 3: seem to have bigger and deeper issues than what the
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  Speaker 3: Avs do. That was not a fluke the way that
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  Speaker 3: the Avs lost or sorry, the Nuggets lost to the Timberwolves.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I was reading who's that money guy for ESPN
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  Speaker 1: Banks who does all the salary cap YEAHKSS.
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  Speaker 4: Money guy's name is Banks.
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  Speaker 1: Banks. He was going through all of the NBA teams
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  Speaker 1: and their financial and draft considerations and what they have
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  Speaker 1: to look forward to, like who has the best outlook
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  Speaker 1: both financially and draft pickwise, and he ranked them in
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  Speaker 1: total and of course Oklahoma City's top five right because
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  Speaker 1: they have a chest, a treasure chest of picks. Dead
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  Speaker 1: last on the list with the Denver Nuggets sure, dead
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  Speaker 1: last in terms of picks available, picks they can use,
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  Speaker 1: protected picks, lost picks, and financial flexibility. When I saw that,
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  Speaker 1: and I saw it on paper, I'm not gonna lie
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  Speaker 1: to you, that was very depressing because how do you
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  Speaker 1: back your way out of that? How do you fix that?
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  Speaker 1: Which is why I think the Nuggets situation is more
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  Speaker 1: dire than the Avs. It's not just a you know,
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  Speaker 1: we could say we want about the Avs. I think
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  Speaker 1: you can fix it. I'm not sure what you do
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  Speaker 1: with the Nuggets to fix it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, besides running back, They're they're limited. And I'll ask
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  Speaker 3: you a question when we come back.
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  Speaker 4: Is it tougher.
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  Speaker 3: To not be able to identify what the problem is
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  Speaker 3: with your team? Or is it tougher to know what
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  Speaker 3: the problem is and not be able to fix it.
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  Speaker 1: Get to it next.
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  Speaker 3: All right, we're gonna call an audible here, because this
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  Speaker 3: is how radio works. You gonna talk about one thing
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  Speaker 3: and then this drops on you. So let's go out
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  Speaker 3: to the ramos Law hotline. Car accident you need ramos
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead. Vic got a chance to participate in the
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  Speaker 1: charity function last night. Not just any charity function, one
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: that's near and dear to the heart of one Von Miller,
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  Speaker 1: Vaughn's vision that's been active for many years, ever since
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  Speaker 1: he played here, and even though he hasn't played here
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  Speaker 1: the last few years, he's still partaking. He's still running
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  Speaker 1: this thing. And they made a ton of money last
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  Speaker 1: night for children and glasses. Kids need glasses, and Vaughn
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  Speaker 1: is there to make sure they do. VN joins us
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  Speaker 1: on the hotline right now. VN thanks again last night, Man,
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  Speaker 1: you were awesome.
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  Speaker 6: Hey, I appreciate you guys. Yeah, it was it was
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  Speaker 6: cool man, Vick. You did an incredible job. Man, I
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  Speaker 6: appreciate well.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I want to ask you. A lot of athletes,
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  Speaker 1: they do their foundation stuff, they move on to other
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  Speaker 1: places and they sort of take it with them. Why
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  Speaker 1: why did you continue to do it in Denver? Why
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  Speaker 1: was it important to happen here and in other cities?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean we started here. This will always be home.
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  Speaker 6: This is the birth of OZ Vision. We're still you know,
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  Speaker 6: heavy in the schools, you know, still continuing to work.
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  Speaker 6: This is this is home base. So we just kept
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  Speaker 6: it running.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. What I love about it is it's such a
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  Speaker 1: unique charitable, charitable endeavor because for you, I mean I've
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  Speaker 1: seen your glasses, they're thick like my glasses. You need
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  Speaker 1: glasses all your life. Who gave you the idea to
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  Speaker 1: do this? How did it start?
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  Speaker 6: Well, you know, it took It took a second. You know,
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  Speaker 6: my rookie season, I played with Tim Tebow and you
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  Speaker 6: know Iron Sharper's Iron, and I saw some of the
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  Speaker 6: amazing things that he did with the Tim Tebow Foundation,
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  Speaker 6: you building the hospitals and the Philippines, and I wanted
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  Speaker 6: to do I wanted to have that same type of impact.
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  Speaker 6: Obviously you can't do the same stuff that Tim Tebow
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  Speaker 6: is doing, but I wanted to have that same impact. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: and I waited a year, and you know, my second
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  Speaker 6: year in the NFL. I was signing autographs one day
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  Speaker 6: and I took my glasses off and it just hit me.
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  Speaker 6: One's vision going to give back contexts Lasik surgery, eye exams,
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  Speaker 6: anything that has to do with the eyes back to
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  Speaker 6: kids in need. And that was fifteen years ago. We'll
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  Speaker 6: be going fifteen years strong.
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  Speaker 1: Well, good on you, bro. You've raised a ton of
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  Speaker 1: money and I know right now you have your eyes
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: set on returning to the Broncos. You've talked about it openly,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: and to be honest, I love it. You're not shy
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: about it. Like you've said before. I would love to
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: finish my career with the Broncos. Well, let me let
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: me ask you. Have you had conversations and what have
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: they said?
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: Oh, you know, just like little stuff here and there.
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: You know, it's been quiet. It's been quiet for me.
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: It's you know when people ask me, like, I'm gonna
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: tell the truth. You know, if I'm you know, if
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: I had the opportunity to come back and play for
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: the Dinner Broncos or ill do it, There's no reason
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: for me to like be cool with that or try
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: to sugarcoat it all like a man. Broncos gotta get
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: There's no reason for me to do all that. Like,
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: I love the Denver Broncos, I love the city of Denver.
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: If I had an opportunity to come back and play,
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: I would love it.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: Would you park an RV camper in the middle of
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: Dove Valley just to make sure they couldn't make you leave?
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Man?
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: It is that they got a really good football team,
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: and I think that's part of the reason why I
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: want to come back to They have a really, really
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: good football team, one of the best football teams in
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: the AFC. Really bright quarterback futures, bright defense is crazy.
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: Nick beneath O, Johnny Cooper, Patrick Starteen, Courtland a sudden.
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: They just got Jaalin Watdell too. This team is going
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: to be scary and I would love to be a
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: part of that.
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: Well on this syst in twenty eighteen.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Although I've watched you play the last couple of years,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: I know you've got game left. How much game do
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: you think you have left in terms of seasons that
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: you want to really play at Von Miller I can
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: live with the way I'm playing status.
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know, man, I'll just take it one.
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: I take it one year at the time, like there's
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: no reason for me to say, ah, like I'm gonna
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: play for three more years. Like I just I just
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: take it one year at a time, Like last year
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: I played with the Commanders, took ing one year at
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: a time. Towards the end of the season, I was like, man,
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: you know, I still still good. I had non sacks,
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: so yeah, I can. I can play another year. And
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: I just keep doing that until you know I don't.
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: I don't want to play anymore. But it's there's still
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: a lot of meat on the bone, like like if
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: guy still they guys still have a hard time blocking me,
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: So I'm not about to walk away from that.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: Von Miller with us on the Ramas Law Hotline.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: You know, in looking at the Broncos, they have this
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: great pass rush. You mentioned some of the guys, Nick Benino,
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Jonathan Cooper coming off the edge.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: What would you see whether it's the Broncos or wherever.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: What do you see your role as if let's say
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: the Broncos sign you, what what do you expect?
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: You know that's tricky too, because you know I'm not
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: gonna start, but I'm not gonna play special teams either.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: So you know, I'm I'll be year sixteen, I'd be
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: thirty seven years old. So I mean, I'm gonna be
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: on I'm not gonna be on the scout team either.
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: You know, I obviously got to get first team reps
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: because I gotta you know, I gotta go against the
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: walls to sharpen the knife to get ready to go
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: in the game. So it's a it's a tricky fit.
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: And you know, if it's if it's able to work,
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: you know, I'll be cool with it. But it is,
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: I will admit that it is a tricky fit. Like
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: you know, I don't I don't practice every day. You know,
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: it's a it's a tricky fit. So it has to
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: be a unique fit and it has to be something
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: that both sides want to do. And I'm willing to
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: do it though.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Well, b I'm anxious to see what develops. Either way,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: I think you're gonna end up somewhere, And either way,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: you're gonna end up in Denver someday, whether you're playing
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: for the Broncos or you'll be in the Ring of Fame.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: You're gonna live in uh in legendary status here in
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Denver for a long, long time. Hey, thanks last night.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Thanks for what you do. I appreciate the opportunity to
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: work with you. It was fun. And uh, let's talk soon.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Let's hope we talk on the field soon.
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: Thig our appreciation man. Hopefully I'll see you guys soon.
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: Thank you. I appreciate you for last night as well.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: All right, buddy, take care, all right then, Miller, you know,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: I've done a lot of these functions, guys, and very
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: rarely does a player who runs the foundation run up
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: to the stage, grab the microphone and say no, no, no,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: this isn't enough, we need more. And he did that
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: several times last night, which is really cool.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: He well, he's an incredibly likable and persuasive guy. I
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: want to get a hold of him some other time,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: but whenever his future is decided one way or another.
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: And you can't go.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: To Mile High and not just see a ton of
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Von Miller jerseys still, right, I mean everywhere we're talking.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: It's been it's been really five years since he's been gone,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: and they're still all over the place, right. I mean,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: people had a great affinity for him as a Broncos player,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: as a player, but a great affinity for him as
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: a guy, and so that's a that's a It doesn't
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: surprise me Vic that he would do that, because he's
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: he's that kind of good.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: You know what's amazing.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: I can't tell you how much I loved his answer
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: on what's my role going to be?
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm not playing special teams?
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: He was.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: Honestly, I'm not doing scouts team. So that's but exactly right,
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: fac that's a roster spot, right, von Miller continually, you know,
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: posting pictures of him in a Bronco's uniform and saying
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: out loud, I want to be a Bronco.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: Well, why isn't this happening?
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: I think that Sean Payton's looking at that being like,
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I can give you what you
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: truly want out of this, and I don't want that
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: to be a problem for us or you.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: It would have to be a unique setup, one where
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: the numbers, you know, it's a numbers game in the NFL.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: It remains that because you have to have enough healthy
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: bodies to do all those other things. And if you
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: use one of those roster spots for a guy who's
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: only a part time player, you know, some might look
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: at that and say we need that in the room,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: we need that in the room.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: He here's the thing, though, Vic, he didn't sound like
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: he wanted to be a part time player. And you know,
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: like John Franklin Myers didn't play every snap, but John
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Franklin Myers was a player that was not part time.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Well, he just said he's not going to start, but
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: he's gonna be in the rotation someplace. Yeah.
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: But look, if von.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Miller put himself out there right now, I mean look,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: obviously got traded through the Rams, played for Buffalo, played
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: for Washington. There are teams that can use a von
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Miller in the capacity PERSI. Yeah, still in the capacity
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: he was describing, but also in the capacity of that
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: veteran leadership.
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: And good person in the room.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: So there are teams that can definitely use him. So
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: he will play football this year. It's only a matter
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: of where.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: So I did the event last night with Susie Warden,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: who's tremendous, and we're auctioning off different items. Clearly a
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: ton of von Miller signed footballs and signed jerseys and
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: they went for a ton and then we also went
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: to other Denver broncos paraphernalia I want you guys to
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: guess what other Bronco jersey for the most money. And
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: I'm talking a lot of my Yeah, the most like
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: was the most highest demand last night. I'll give you
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: the options.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, are these current players are all timers.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I'll give you the options. I'll give you the which
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: went for more Patrick Sirtan, bo Knicks, Peyton Manning. Of
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: those three, which item went for the most?
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: I assume Peyton. But the fact that you're asking the
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: question means answer.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: It's probably well, I mean, bo Nicks is the starting quarterback.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Boone Nicks's item went for a ton reason. When you're
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: the starting quarterback, the current starting quarterback of the Denver
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Broncos current you are the most popular human being in Colorado.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: We're close to it, Yeah, right behind Steve Nelson.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: There were exceptions there for a while. There was a
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: nine year run where there were exceptions, right.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean because it's because you had a
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: revolving door of your kingdoms and flock goes and Packson's
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: and sure.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: But joke, you're still the biggest one in city right now.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But I'm talking about if you're a top notch
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: elite quarterback yeah, and you're you. You play for the
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Denver Broncos, you will rule Colorado Dre Locks.
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: Jersey wasn't going for that number.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Oh ho ho what happened?
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, now I feel like we're geting a fight. What
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: top notch elite quarterback? I don't know that he's that yet, right, Okay,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: let me let me let me rephrase it. He's a
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: franchise quarterback at this point for the Denver Broncos. Is
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: that a fair assessment?
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: That's fair quarterback that took you to two straight postseasons
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: in an AFC championship game, well with.
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: The defense that would choke a hippopotamus.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: But he's still lost quarterback. Just okay, you lost your
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: quarterback and you lost your chance to win.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: Agree, So what does that make.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Him better than the get better than the guy who
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: was who played the game.
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: By the way, a really good chat with Vaughan there.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: For I'm not I'm not trying to be negative. I'm
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: just I'm being realistic here. I'm all about the real
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: You know what this is gonna be the summer of reel.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: That's what it is, the summer of reel for all
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: of you.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: You know, Whomoja thought the highest selling jersey was gonna
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: be Wow, what says.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Jack Kelly kill?
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: Jack Kelly said, Jeack Kelly the deepest say seeing Jack.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I can't every time I hear this.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Imagine if I walked in and I said, guys, I
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: made this new song.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: You want to hear it?
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: And here's what it says Brett Kine.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: It's just me saying my own name a hundred times.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I couldn't do it because mine has too many syllables.
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: Actio just.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: Gonna so good to talk to von Miller there. And look,
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: I think honestly it was only a couple of football
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: questions in there for him.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: But I think that told you why there's there's a
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: hang up.
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: We talked to Lagwell about this yesterday too.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Leggy was saying, I think that Sean Payton and I'm
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: paraphrasing here.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: I don't know exactly.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: I can't remember exactly the quote, but most correct me
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: if I'm wrong. Leggy told us Sean Payton might not
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: know what kind of role there is for Vaughn, and
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: he doesn't want that to be a problem for him
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: or the team, right, And that's kind of what Vaughn said, like, Yeah,
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: it's a tricky situation. I'm not doing special teams and
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: I ain't playing scout team.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: I need to go against the ones.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: It's like, well, well, they got a few different guys
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: that have already done pretty good roles in that department.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: This is where it becomes the logic thing. It's not
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Sean Payton doesn't not want von Miller. See what I'm saying. Sure,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: as as a player and is a guy you'd be like,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: we could definitely use if we had a sixty man roster,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: we could definitely use that guy. Yeah, but you don't.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: The numbers are limited, and I think it's been proven
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: over the years that and that backup tackle could come
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: in real handy.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Hey, should I.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Ask you that guy, that special teams guy who's maybe
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: your fifth wide out can come in real handy. Have
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: we had a set date and or time for the
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: ABS doing an end of season press conference?
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Things?
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Not yet?
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Not yet that I've seen. Yeah, because I'm axious to
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I want to hear all the injuries, because every every
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: team does that. Do the ABS do that? Do they
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: go through all the injuries?
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know if they will or not. But coach
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Bednor seemed to indicate that Chris McFarland would would at
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: least pontificate on that a little bit, if not give
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: you the whole dang thing. There's a lot, there's there's
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: it's a bunch of stuff, just a lot. Put it
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: this way. There's just a bunch of stuff. And so
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: we'll see.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: But I want to, you know, I asked this yesterday,
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: but you guys tell me because I think the big
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: thing that's sort of overhanging the abs right now. There's
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: plenty of stuff that that months from now will be
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: taken care of as far as who's on the roster
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: who's not. I mean, the big thing for the moment
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: is the coaching question. How long do you wait to
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: make a decision like that? Because I mentioned this yesterday,
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: Usually if you think that the coaching is or was
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: a major issue or factor that you want to change,
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: it doesn't take all that long to make an announcement
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: after a season ends, right.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: That happens pretty quick.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: But there's also no hurry. I mean they may be
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: just sitting back and addressing every I get it, nook
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: and cranny. They're looking at every element to the team.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, what, what's the hurry?
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: There is, there is no hurry.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: But if you if you feel strongly that coaching was
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: a problem, I don't think that there's a wait for it.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: I think that kind of happens pretty quick. So I
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: don't know if that's an indication of anything or what.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: But still haven't seen an official date or time for this.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: It shouldn't be too long. It shouldn't be too long.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's you've got to gather a lot of information.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: You probably have to think some things through about plans
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: and whatnot. It's not all laid out yet. But you're
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: you're in it. You're you were in it for alright.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Let's well, GMS coaches and even players to a certain extent,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: they're in it forever. They're in it all day, every day,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: all year long. That's they're in it, right, But you're
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: really in it. Let's go back to September, October, November, December, January, February, March,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: April May. So you're in it for about eight months. Yeah,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: maybe a little bit longer, as guys started to filter
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: back in August to skate here. You're in it for
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: let's say almost nine months. You're in it, you're swimming
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: in it, and you can do it. And then in
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: the span of one week, after nine months of being
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: in it, after nine months of being pregnant.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: Turns out it was just a big fart.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: That is how it felt.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: All right, here comes the baby.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Hey, that's how it felt.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: As ask Kyle Keith about being bloated in what happens next.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: I've seen video evidence of that. Shouldn't wear white pants.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: You know. The longer that that goes on, the more
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: open it gets. Like when it happened, we were I mean, hey,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: never speak of this again. Then okay, yeah, you could
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: show somebody the video then yeah, whatever, show anybody now.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: I mean it's out.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: There that I gotta tell you, Vic it is maybe
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: the greatest, the most vile thing that is being captured
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: on video.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: And I got it, and.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: You were you were like you were you were.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: I always wonder in the one of the greatest TV
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: shows that exist, and I will fight anybody who disagrees
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: with me on this planet Earth is an unbelievable show.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: And I've always wondered how they get those cameras set
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: up in the perfect spot to find these these frogs
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: the size of my thumbnail jellyfish. Yeah, how did they
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: have those set up in the perfect thing? And in
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: the case of Vic, Vic was one of those guys
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: on planet Earth tracking the animal all the way back
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: to the locker, roam.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Into his cave.
• 32:44
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• 32:58
  Speaker 2: I want to get to this as we're now forty
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: three minutes into the program, and Vick, I want to
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: talk about the loss of one clone le Mew And
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: I just yesterday I got the word and was just shocked,
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: just blown away. And that's before I even knew how
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: it happened. And again, I just think that what people
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: go through on the inside, you will never ever, ever
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: ever know, you know what I mean. You could look
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: like a duck just cruising on top of the water,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: but underneath you're just paddling like crazy to stay afloat
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: in your own self.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: It's so true.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: It's such a sad thing, you know, And people will
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: call it selfish. I think it's called tragic. It's because
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: you feel like you've got no where to turn. You
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: you get to a place in your head where you
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: feel like you have no options in life. Even even
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: with Robin Williams, I felt so bad about that because
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: he was dealing with the Louis Body dementi at the time,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: and he knew it was really Yeah, he was dealing
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: that's why. That's why he was dealing with Louis body.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Bruce Willis has that too. Yeah, it's it's horrible.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean especially I don't know that he has
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: that one vic.
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: I think he's got is it Louis body as well?
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Bruce says, yeah, okay, that's what Robin Williams was dealing with.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: And for that horrible disease there there was no alternative
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: to it in terms of fixing it. But it's just
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: you feel so bad because I mean, everybody sitting here
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: has been emotionally and mentally tortured by life at some point,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: and everybody listening, I'm sure in one capacity or another.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: But to get to a point where there's no hope,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: it's a it's a hell of a sad thing. And
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: that's aside from the guy that he was. I saw
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: a yesterday from Darren McCarty. Do you happen to see
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: that at all? I saw?
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: And you know what, I'm not gonna lie to you
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: sort of teared up because if anybody remembers that rivalry
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: that series, he's that hatred, that venom for him to
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: come out like that many years later, and he already
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: came to peace with that whole thing earlier. But read
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: read the McCarty thing.
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: Do you have I'm gonna try to find it right here.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: I have it, well if you if you have it?
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Vict He had a video that came out and he
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: also put out a statement about it. He or he
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: expressed his thoughts on He said, go ahead, he said,
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: just heard the news on Claude Lemeeu.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: This is extremely sad. No matter what feelings from past
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: or present. You hold my thoughts and prayers to his
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: family and friends and people who got to see the
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: person off the ice. Wasn't the person on, as I've
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: said and will always say, call it as I see it.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: If you're on the ice with Claude Lemieux and you
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: turn your back, you're an idiot.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: You no it's is like you you did it, are it?
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: But I I I will turn mine. And please, if
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: you're struggling it all, please reach out and talk to someone.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: God speed, my friend, and translate that.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, basically, look, I mean he on the ice. There's
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: a lot of hockey hate, right, A lot of things
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: have dissipated in the last and it's been well, hell,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: when you're talking about the Draper hit, it's been thirty years,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: which is a long time. Yep. And believe me when
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: I tell you, Brett, that hate continued for quite a
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: long time, and probably in some capacity still does because
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: that's sports. That's the to me, that's really the last
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: VICTI that is the last of the pure sports hate
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: between two franchises in any sports.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: Well, the last that the documentary that came out shortly
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: after the ABS.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: Was it before or after they won the cop? I
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: can't remember, but I mean you could see there was
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: still some feelings towards it.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no doubt about it.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: And it started with a Draper hit. Of course.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: I started working for the team shortly thereafter, and that
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: was when that was the fight. Fact that the Joe
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: and that was Lemieux saying let's go right off the whistle.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: You know, all the McCarty had embarrassed him and so
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: on and so forth, and so so that was my
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: first indoctrination when I first started with the club. That's
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: that was just it started. But now was getting Now
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: it was getting even more intense, and it was hatred,
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: like pure true hatred. But over the years, you know,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: guys have a chance to meet guys off the ice
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: and understand who they are as human beings and people,
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: and and what their values are and how much they
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: truly align with you and so on. And I think
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Darren McCarty Vick was expressing that as well. I've had
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: I can't tell you how many conversations I've had over
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: the years with the Eight, like Darren McCarty, Bob Probert
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: back in the day, right, and of course he wasn't
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: really part of that at all, but you know what
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, like, but guys that were, oh, I don't know,
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: tough guys, bad guys, especially the guys in the middle
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: of Kurt Maltby. You guys like this, these long extended
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: conversations about Chris osgood Vic sitting down and just shooting
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: the breeze with Ozzy, that kind of stuff. They're real people,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: they're real human beings, and they were on one side
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: and you were on the other side. And it's what
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: that culture was and a lot of that's kind of
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: gone now, but you get the idea. So for a
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: guy like Darren McCarty, who was as big an antagonist
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: for Claude Lemieu as there was, to come on out
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: and say that, I think it speaks more than volumes
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: about who Claude was as a person.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. We've spent the last few days
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: talking about the Avalanche, the roster, what they need, and
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: I know the game has changed tremendously. I mean, the
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: rules have changed. What Claude and many of those players
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: got away with back then wouldn't fly today. I get it.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: But the kind of player he was, Brett, he won
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: four Cups with three teams. Yeah, And the kind of
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: player he was, the impact he brought, the playoff hockey,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: playoff hockey, the sand paper approach he brought. That's exactly
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: the kind of player this Avalanche team needs, in my
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: humble opinion, well and like and still productive. Not just
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: not just a guy gimmicky running around.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: There, but a guy who could be a con smyth
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: winner exactly right, because he was conductive and still able
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: to get under anyone's skin.
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: So thoughts go out to the Lemieux family.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: Just terrible news, especially given the fact that most like
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: he was just a few days ago.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: He was walking.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: Out to the middle of the rink with Montreal, like
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: just a few days ago.
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: Just wild.
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: Well, he had the torch up before the game, and.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: You know, played for the Canadians for an afree long time,
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: then went to the Devils of course, and then came
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: to the Avalanche and so on.
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: But yeah, and he see.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: The last time I saw him. Trying to remember the
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: last time I saw him. But you know, so these guys,
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: whether you're on the road doing something during the course
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: of a season, you bump into him, or they come
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: back for a reunion twenty year, thirty year, that kind
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: of thing you bump into. The more you sit down
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: you have a conversation or whatever, or have him on
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: the set, right, it comes on up to the set
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: and shoots the breeze about things. Yeah, it's just I
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: don't know, Brett, It's just uh, it's just tough because
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: when you look at him four days ago, four and
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: a half days ago. Could you ever have imagined, I mean,
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: looking at him in his demeanor, what he was going through. Nope, no,
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: not at all.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: Three h three five four nine two five.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: So I do want to get back to what we
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: were kind of discussing earlier, which is is it better
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: to know what your team needs with no real recourse
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: on how to fix it or to not know what
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: your team needs? Because at this point, you know, I
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: feel like the Avs and Nuggets are in two different places.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: You know, you can kind of identify the things that
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: the Nuggets need and we have a little bit better defensively,
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: more athletic, all those different types of things. But do
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: you have the ability to do that in this offseason
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: given that your assets are very limited?
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Well, look, we were talking about Clothe de mew here
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: and he'd already been a champion three times by the
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: time he came to the cutteraud of Avalanche. If you
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: took Vic, a thirty year old clothing mew and you
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: dropped him into this Avs lineup, do they get by Vegas?
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: I can't say, Vic, and I'm I'm not necessarily going
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: to disagree with you with a kind of player he wants,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: and the grit and the just painting the butt to
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: play against twenty four to seven. I'm not gonna say
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: that you're wrong, but in this particular series, I don't
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: know that you still don't lose this year. Maybe you
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: don't get swept, maybe you do. I don't think it's
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: in I don't think it's possible to quantify right this
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: second people say, oh, yeah, well that for sure they're
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: gonna win. There are so many factors that go into
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: what happened that if you change one factor, maybe you
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: change a game a period. But maybe you don't most when's.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: The last time you saw or spoke to Claude them?
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: You because I can only recall the year they had
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: that alumni game at Course Field.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we know, it's been many times since then, Okay,
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: I mean probably since twenty sixteen.
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: It's probably been I don't know five or six times.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: Vic probably you know, Uh, run into him at a
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: game in Montreal, you know, run into them here, come
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: to he comes to Denver, and he's he's doing some things.
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: You know, and.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Always gracious, always cool, always just a guy who was
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: a huge, a huge part of the early going for
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: the Colorado Avalanche after he was acquired, and he wasn't
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: an avalanche very super long Brett. Yeah, and I just look,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: I I appreciate you guys. Let me let me talk
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: about it a little bit for the guys he played
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: with and the guys that know how important he was
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: to that first Stanley Cup team, and you know what
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: he brought, the element he brought. But it's got to
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: be tough on them as well. I mean, it's got
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: to be tough. There's not Victor's not one of those
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: red Wings that didn't battle him, who I'm sure doesn't
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: have at least some fond thoughts of him, whether it's
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: their own selfish thoughts, whatever it may be.
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: Today you haven't gotten that news yesterday.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: According to Kathy, I was wrong. Bruce will has frontal
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: temporal dementia, not Louis body. Louis body is the bad one.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Frontal temporal is well, none of them are good. That's
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: what my dad had, the frontal temporal kind. I'm not
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: sure what the difference is between the two, but I
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: had no idea that I had no idea that that's
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: what led to the death.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Of Robin Williams.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Robin Williams. I had no clue that, so I agree
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: with your initial thought. By the way, mos A lot
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: of people call it selfish. I call it tragic. Yeah,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Tragic's the word for me.
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: Three or three, five, four nine two five.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: You know the freaking frailties of human life, bro, I guess. Yeah. Look,
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: you're still young er. I know. I know you've got
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: a bad risk from putting up a sheller curtain, Rod.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: I know. And okay, well, I know that you pull
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: your back when you try to drive the ball three
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: eighty down the middle and you go, you go, dude.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: I swung so hard on fourteen yesterday I couldn't hardly
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: finish the round, and I woke up this morning and
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: I couldn't bend over. Yeah, yep, that So you're you're
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: getting there. But I think as you get even a
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: little bit older than that, like Vick and I man,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: your perspective starts to change and evolve. And human frailty
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: is so to give us the capacity to think like
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: humans think and reason and so on, and then to
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: also be able to take things away in an instant.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: It's one of the joys of life, and it's one
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: of the tragedies of being a human.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: A terrible week.
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it really has.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Freakin has Man, it just friggin has three.
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: Oh three, five oh four oh nine two five. So
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: a lot to get too, Stigram