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Hungry cops turned away by Burger King? Inside Heather Locklear's meltdown · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: M Triumph Channel one thirty two. H Oh yeah. You
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  Speaker 1: want a cop to take a bullet, right. You want
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  Speaker 1: a cop to come running pronto when your bank is robbed,
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  Speaker 1: when somebody breaks into your house, or somebody rams you
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  Speaker 1: from behind, when your child disappears inside the toys or
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  Speaker 1: Russ or chuck E cheese, they better be there pronto
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  Speaker 1: and ski dattle right. That's how we pay our taxes.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but when they drive through the burger King
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  Speaker 1: they can't get a chicken sandwich? Are you kidding me?
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  Speaker 1: I mean it. See Grace, this is crime stories. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you for being with us. Burger King refuses to serve police,
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  Speaker 1: the very same police that they want to show up
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  Speaker 1: when customers misbehave, when somebody tries to rob them, when
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  Speaker 1: somebody breaks in overnight. But talk about bite the hand
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  Speaker 1: that feeds you. An owner of a Louisiana Burger King
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  Speaker 1: issues an apology after store employees reportedly refuse service to police.
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  Speaker 1: Now listen to me, I get it. I know that
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  Speaker 1: there are police officers that have done horrible things. Yes
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  Speaker 1: they did, and they need to go to jail for it.
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  Speaker 1: But one bad apple does not spoil the whole munch.
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  Speaker 1: And I want to go on the record is saying
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  Speaker 1: that police officers, lawyers, judges are some of the most
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  Speaker 1: honorable people I have ever known, and I stand shoulder
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  Speaker 1: to shoulder with them and believe you mean, when one
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  Speaker 1: misbehaves or commits a crime, I want them to go
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  Speaker 1: to jail, just like every other felon. But really, imagine
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  Speaker 1: you got your kids in the back seat, You're hungry,
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  Speaker 1: and you drive through and order. Then there's a long pause.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody ever waits on you. Nothing happens. You drive to
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  Speaker 1: the drive up window and they tell you they're out
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  Speaker 1: of chicken. Then you go, oh, okay, how about a burger?
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  Speaker 1: Oh we're out of burgers too, and I'll start laughing.
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  Speaker 1: You know what to hey with you? Joining me right now.
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  Speaker 1: John Limley Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. Dr Brian Russell,
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  Speaker 1: lawyer and psychologist, host of investigation discoveries, hit series Fatal Vows.
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  Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, former Nashville p D now private investigator and
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  Speaker 1: special guests, Joining me right now. The Public Information Director
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  Speaker 1: for Assumption Parish Sheriff's Office out of Louisiana. Hello, my
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  Speaker 1: Cajun friend, Lonnie Cavalier. Lonnie, I'm sick. My children were
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  Speaker 1: asking me the other day, how do you speak Cajun?
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  Speaker 1: I really didn't know what to say. I did tell
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  Speaker 1: them that out of all the many times I've been
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  Speaker 1: to Louisiana with my best friend, who happens to be
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  Speaker 1: a defense lawyer, don't hold it against me, I never
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  Speaker 1: knew what anybody was saying. I just smiled and said
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  Speaker 1: please and thank you and just went about my business. Now, Commander,
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  Speaker 1: tell me what happened at a Louisiana burger king franchise. Well,
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  Speaker 1: on the even of Medea seventeenth, the sheriff of some
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  Speaker 1: Suparis contacted me and advised me that two of our
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  Speaker 1: SWAT people who had completed training in Zachary, Louisiana at
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  Speaker 1: the State Police Compound, went over to St. Francisville to
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  Speaker 1: purchase uh food from the local burger king and uh
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  Speaker 1: they drove up to the drive in. As they drove up,
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  Speaker 1: they could see that people inside. Commander, what time of
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  Speaker 1: the day or night was it? This was about four
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  Speaker 1: thirday in the evening. Okay, go ahead, and he attempted
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  Speaker 1: to the driver attempted to order chicken sandwich and was
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  Speaker 1: quickly told they had no chicken. They said, uh, well,
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to order a whopper and they said, well,
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  Speaker 1: we have no h burgers here. And then he said
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  Speaker 1: at the burger king. At the burger king, now, hold on,
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  Speaker 1: let me understand something. Commander Lonnie Cavalier with us from
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  Speaker 1: the Assumption Paris Sheriff's Office. Commander, it's my understanding. They
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  Speaker 1: pull up to the drive and you know where you
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  Speaker 1: speak into the intercom, and for a long time nobody
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  Speaker 1: said anything, so they just sat there for a while.
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  Speaker 1: Then they go up. Now at four thirty, How long
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  Speaker 1: had they already been at work? They had to be
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  Speaker 1: in training for six on the morning of the seventeen,
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  Speaker 1: they had already been there since six am. Yes, they
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  Speaker 1: have been in training since six am. Jackie Alan remind
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  Speaker 1: me not to complain about long hours working. So they've
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  Speaker 1: been there since six, which means they probably leave the
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  Speaker 1: house at five, which mains they probably get up at
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  Speaker 1: four to four thirty, be there on time at six,
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  Speaker 1: since you are not late to roll call period. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's some serious peer pressure. When you answer in
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  Speaker 1: and all your colleagues and your boss is there, last
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  Speaker 1: thing you want to do is slink in with your
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  Speaker 1: tail between your legs in Uh, that's like coming late
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  Speaker 1: to court. So they've been up since or thirty. Were
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  Speaker 1: now at four thirty in the afternoon, and all these
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  Speaker 1: cops want is a chicken sandwich. Okay. They're not going
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  Speaker 1: in and sitting down at a donut shop or a
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  Speaker 1: diner like people like to portray police. The most they're
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  Speaker 1: gonna do is drive through a burger king. All right,
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  Speaker 1: let me set the stage. They pull up, nobody comes
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  Speaker 1: to the intercom. All right, tell me again what happens, commander. Well,
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  Speaker 1: eventually they answered that Noah, they had no chicken sandwiches,
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  Speaker 1: and then they had no uh hamburgers. So the driver
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  Speaker 1: acts with the your serve police officers and shaw Tom Lada.
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  Speaker 1: Several people laughing came onto the key to intercom and
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  Speaker 1: all they could hear was laughing. So he drove around
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  Speaker 1: the first window and gets got out of his his
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  Speaker 1: kenon unit and looked into the the burger king and
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  Speaker 1: he saw several people there, A couple of them were hot.
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  Speaker 1: Behind the corner there was Lennon and laughing, and basically
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  Speaker 1: figure he wasn't going to get served. Wait did you
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  Speaker 1: just say snickling? Because is that a cajor? Is that
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  Speaker 1: snickering across between snickering and giggling? Okay, I'm totally stealing that,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm going to accuse my children of snickling. Okay, alright,
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  Speaker 1: So they look in and guys, I know that this
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  Speaker 1: is not a crisis. I know it's not a felony,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm so mad about it I could chew a
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  Speaker 1: nail in half. So they look in and all the
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  Speaker 1: Burger King people are standing around laughing, and the cops
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  Speaker 1: we've already been on it for twelve hours, still in
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  Speaker 1: the uniform, its canine vehicle, can't get a chicken sandwich,
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  Speaker 1: so they know, look in. The employees are all gathered
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  Speaker 1: around the counter, laughing, yucking it up. All right. Then
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  Speaker 1: what happens, Commander he pulls off and and you know,
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  Speaker 1: he just told not to confront them and contacted the
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  Speaker 1: shoff and the show of contact with me. Uh, that
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  Speaker 1: was the Thursday afternoon, the morning of the eighteenth, and
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  Speaker 1: we contacted the corporate office of Burger King and uh
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  Speaker 1: that there was some mix up as to which Burger
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  Speaker 1: King it was in Zachary or in St. Francisville. So
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  Speaker 1: we cleared that up very quickly and said it was
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  Speaker 1: not the one in Zachary, was the one in St. Francisville,
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  Speaker 1: and we that was the Friday and we uh, we
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  Speaker 1: were told to wait for a call from corporate on
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  Speaker 1: Friday afternoon of the eighteenth, and we never heard anything
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  Speaker 1: from them. Uh, okay, well, whoa whoa, whoa whoa, Commander Cavalier,
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  Speaker 1: hold on just a moment. I'm sorry to interrupt you.
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  Speaker 1: Please don't throw me down on the asphalt and arrest me.
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  Speaker 1: But you keep saying things that I didn't already know
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  Speaker 1: from reading about it. So this is the one that
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  Speaker 1: went the burger King in St. Francisville, and I think
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  Speaker 1: they probably got that mixed up because your guys had
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  Speaker 1: in training I think in Zachary, Louisiana, and you called
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  Speaker 1: corporate and corporate didn't even bother to call you back.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, it'll be a cold day, and you
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  Speaker 1: know where before I go to Burger King again, and
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  Speaker 1: that includes the French toast sticks that the children love
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  Speaker 1: to hey with that, you know what they're eat Note
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  Speaker 1: mill at McDonald's. Now, they didn't even bother to call
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  Speaker 1: back after a sheriff calls them. Let me ask you something,
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  Speaker 1: Why did you think it was important to make that
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  Speaker 1: call that somebody within the leadership called Burger King corporate? Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we're quick to the sheriff is quick whenever
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  Speaker 1: one of all people evaluate procedures to to you know,
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  Speaker 1: get it out as quick as we can publicly, uh
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  Speaker 1: to remain transparent. And but on the other hand, if
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  Speaker 1: they if they're involved in something that's really their fault,
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  Speaker 1: we have to defend them. If it's truly not their fault,
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  Speaker 1: we have to defend them. And we have policies and
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  Speaker 1: procedures set in place through a chain of command, and
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  Speaker 1: they follow that chain of command, and we're expected to
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  Speaker 1: obey the chain of command and do each our jobs.
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  Speaker 1: And and UH that that happened to me where I
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  Speaker 1: was at that day and required to make that call.
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  Speaker 1: And I did make the call and stayed in a
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  Speaker 1: fight with him for a week before I heard from him.
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  Speaker 1: You had a fight with them for a week before
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  Speaker 1: you heard back. What do you mean by that? Well,
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  Speaker 1: we we never heard from anybody, so until actually Fride
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  Speaker 1: I think it was the seventeenth UH confirmed that in
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  Speaker 1: one second. I'm sorry, Friday the fifteen, UH. During that week,
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  Speaker 1: we had a letter to the editor that was published
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  Speaker 1: in a local paper that I had wrote, a very
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  Speaker 1: very small local UH munity paper, and it got onto
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  Speaker 1: Facebook and one thing led to another. I think UH
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  Speaker 1: Blue Lives Matter H had picked it up as well,
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  Speaker 1: And I received the call from corporate UH actually from
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  Speaker 1: the owner of the Burger King, who would not even
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  Speaker 1: provide his name to him in requesting an apology because
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  Speaker 1: the letter said. The letter to the editors said that
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  Speaker 1: police officers will refused service, and he disputed that. Wait,
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  Speaker 1: you they were refused service. And for another thing, I
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  Speaker 1: don't I don't trust anybody when they won't even give
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  Speaker 1: me their name. Oh, Commander Cavalier, I used to love
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  Speaker 1: reading out to juries and indictment where the person had
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  Speaker 1: a lot of aliases. If you if somebody won't even
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  Speaker 1: give you their real name and identify themselves, there's a
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  Speaker 1: reason for that, and it's nothing good, nothing good. So
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  Speaker 1: let me understand this. You write a little letter to
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  Speaker 1: the local paper. What paper was that? This is by you,
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  Speaker 1: pioneer in a little community called Pioneer, Pioneer in the
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  Speaker 1: community called Pierre part Tours p r E R R
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  Speaker 1: E p A r T, Louisiana, And then it gets
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  Speaker 1: picked up by Blue Lives Matter, and then you know
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  Speaker 1: the Facebook, and uh, I'll receive a call from from
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  Speaker 1: the owner on that Friday and he's very upset, and basically,
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  Speaker 1: UH said, I said, what are you dispute? He said, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we fired the people that were responsible for this,
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  Speaker 1: and he said, but they never refused to sell the
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  Speaker 1: police officers. They refused to sell to the general public. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I said, I'm not understanding. He said, well, no you're not.
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  Speaker 1: He said, the police, the officers were not refused service
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  Speaker 1: as police officers. There were a few there were refused
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  Speaker 1: service as uh the general public. And I said, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we're not going to have a play on words.
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  Speaker 1: Why what are they serious? They really want me to
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  Speaker 1: believe they ran out of burgers and I can't believe
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  Speaker 1: the guys calling you and wanting you to apologize to him, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he absolutely wanted an apology. So what do they mean
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  Speaker 1: they were not serving to the general public. They were
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  Speaker 1: open four thirty in the afternoon. No, they had problems
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  Speaker 1: he uh. He indicated they did have problems with that
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  Speaker 1: crew for several days prior to this, and they had
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  Speaker 1: received a lot of complaints of them not taking people's orders. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: just basically turning people away. But but but he was
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  Speaker 1: disputing that we should uh we should have said that
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  Speaker 1: they refused to serve police officers, and uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I I disputed it as well, said saying, no, I
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  Speaker 1: think you all did refused their police So it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: matter which way that you intended it to be. But
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  Speaker 1: this is what happened. Not serving people who just happened
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  Speaker 1: to be police. I find it very difficult to believe
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  Speaker 1: that they still had their doors open. If they could
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  Speaker 1: not serve people. Another thing, if they didn't do anything wrong,
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  Speaker 1: then why did they fire the people? So that's I'm
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  Speaker 1: not buying that. So then what happened Commander Cavalier, So
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  Speaker 1: we didn't we didn't know. He said, I have twenty
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  Speaker 1: four hours to call him back and or what or
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  Speaker 1: what to extend an apology to to him and Burger King,
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  Speaker 1: And I basically told him, don't wait on my call
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  Speaker 1: because you won't be hearing from me. And then the
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  Speaker 1: next week, which would have been last week, but basically
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  Speaker 1: went all over you know, nationwide through Facebook and whatever
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  Speaker 1: other sources. Uh. And then on Friday this past variety
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  Speaker 1: UH brother King executives flew down to UH to New
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  Speaker 1: Orleans and traveled to the Sheriff's office and Assumption Parish
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  Speaker 1: and spoke to Sheriffs for Salcon personally in his office
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  Speaker 1: and said what, well, basically apologized and uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they were not aware of all the facts that at
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  Speaker 1: the time, uh, you know, extended their apologies and agreed
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  Speaker 1: to to you know, coach their people in in a
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  Speaker 1: better manner, not only for police officers, but but for
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  Speaker 1: the general public and you know, the better served public,
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  Speaker 1: and indicated that the office had the uh, I'm sorry
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  Speaker 1: employees had been terminated. Guys. We are speaking with Commander
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  Speaker 1: Line and Cavalier, public information director for Assumption Parish Sheriff's office.
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  Speaker 1: Also with me, Vincent Hill, Dr Bryan Russell from i
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  Speaker 1: d's Fatal Vows and investigative reporter John Limley. You know
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  Speaker 1: what I think twice about not hat handing over a
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  Speaker 1: chicken sandwich to the man, woman or canine that might
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  Speaker 1: save my life or the lives of my children. With me,
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  Speaker 1: Commander Lonnie Cavalier, Vincent Hill, Dr Brian Russell from i
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  Speaker 1: d to Investigation Discoveries, Fatal Vows and Crime Online dot
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  Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter John Limley, Alan Duke and Jackie Howard
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  Speaker 1: with me, and we are all seething and read in
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  Speaker 1: the face over what happened to cops at Assumption Parish,
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  Speaker 1: Denied food, denied service at a local burger king, after
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  Speaker 1: working at about a twelve hour day at that time. Now,
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  Speaker 1: one thing I want to ask you is do you
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  Speaker 1: really believe they couldn't serve other people. What about surveillance video?
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  Speaker 1: Lonnie Cavalier, Commander Cavalier, I mean, I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: turn this into a federal case, but I find it
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  Speaker 1: very hard to leave. I mean when I go through, UM,
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  Speaker 1: we have a McDonald's right up the street, and if
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  Speaker 1: something is wrong, like the children like milkshakes, and my
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  Speaker 1: mom she likes to sen your coffee. If I go through.
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  Speaker 1: When I get to the drive through, they'll have a
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  Speaker 1: sign up there, usually handwritten that says coffee machine not
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  Speaker 1: working or milkshake machine not working or whatever the problem is.
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  Speaker 1: I find it really hard to believe that they were
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  Speaker 1: out of chicken or out of burgers. So what does
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  Speaker 1: the surveillance video show? Commander Well, when we asked for
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  Speaker 1: the surveillance video, he said he had reviewed all of
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  Speaker 1: the video that was originally that uh that was on
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  Speaker 1: the afternoon of the eighteenth, and that he had seen
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  Speaker 1: nothing inappropriate on the video. UH. So, on my on
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  Speaker 1: the call with him, I think it was the eighteenth,
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  Speaker 1: we asked them for the uh video again and he
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  Speaker 1: said he had the video, but that it was it
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  Speaker 1: was a personnel matter and he could not release the
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  Speaker 1: video to us what we never saw the video. They
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  Speaker 1: can't release the video to the police. I've never heard
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  Speaker 1: of anything like that. You can't release it because of
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  Speaker 1: a personnel matter. What personnel matter? Well, he was he was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, hanging his hat on the fact that he
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  Speaker 1: had terminated his his people and and and therefore it
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  Speaker 1: was a personnel matter and it was not contended for public. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: hold on just one moment joining me, John Linley, investigative reporter.
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  Speaker 1: Dr Brian Russell, lawyer and psychologists. He just had to
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  Speaker 1: one up me with an extra degree. And Vincent Hill,
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  Speaker 1: private investigator in former Nashville PD to Dr Brian Russell,
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  Speaker 1: host wildly popular investigation discoveries Fatal Vows series. Dr Brian Russell.
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  Speaker 1: Something stinks, okay, and it's coming from Burger King. Yeah. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: And if you think about this in the light most
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  Speaker 1: favorable to the franchise, E imagine yourself having purchased a
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  Speaker 1: Burger King franchise and you hired some lazy idiots who
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  Speaker 1: decided that it would be really funny if they just
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  Speaker 1: started telling people coming through the drive through, Oh, we're
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  Speaker 1: out of this, we're out of that, we're out of whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Anybody's ordering, and it just so happened that some of
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  Speaker 1: the people to whom they did that we're police officers.
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  Speaker 1: Just imagine for a moment that that is the scenario
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  Speaker 1: and you find out from the local sheriff for the
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  Speaker 1: local police commander that some police officers got caught up
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  Speaker 1: in that. I think you would immediately contact the police,
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  Speaker 1: not a week later, not days later, not hours later, immediately,
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  Speaker 1: and you would say, oh my god, I am so sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what happened. I had these stupid idiots working for
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  Speaker 1: me that we're telling people in the drive through that
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  Speaker 1: we were out of everything because they didn't want to work.
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  Speaker 1: They thought they were being funny. It wasn't singling out
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  Speaker 1: police or anything like that. You would turn over the video,
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  Speaker 1: you would you would offer free lunch to every cop
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  Speaker 1: in the jurisdiction. You would bend over backwards. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: not seeing that here. So I'm skeptical of this story
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  Speaker 1: that we're getting out of the franchise. E. Well, I
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  Speaker 1: don't necessarily buy that. Now. I wasn't there, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't know exactly what happened, and I guess that tall
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  Speaker 1: tale could be true, that they were just serving nobody
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  Speaker 1: at all. But Vincent Hill, private an investigator former Nashville
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: p D. If that's true, why not release the surveillance
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: video and why fire the employees instead of I mean,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: and not reveal any names. Why would you call and
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: not reveal what your name is? Why would you not
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: show the cops what was really happening. Why not show
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: the receipts that afternoon that there were no receipts from
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: why o'clock to six o'clock or whatever the case may be,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: to show the cops that really it wasn't about you.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: We just had some lousy employees and they're gone. Why
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: not do that, Vincent Hill? Well, Nancy, quite frankly, because
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: it's a lie and I've been sitting here fuming for
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: the last few minutes. Nancy, I mean, think about this.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: If it was flipped around. I didn't know. There's a
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: lot that Lonnie cannot say. But if this was slipped
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: around and an officer was involved in something, people would
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: be demanding video. But here's Burger King holding that video
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: because their employees were in the wrong. Listen, there were
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: two spots in Nashville, McDonald's on Harding Place and demons
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Is on Commerce Drive that catered to police. But unfortunately,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: we're in a climate now where police are seen as
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: the bad guys, so people feel that they're able to
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: do stupid stuff like this, like this Burger king did
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: I am furious right now, Nancy. Well, I mean, you know,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, I've told you this story and Commander Cavalier Um.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: When I was prosecuted in inter city Atlanta, it took
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: me forever. I worked the street for months with three
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: vice officers to break up a child prostitution ring. I
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: mean we were on it first thing in the morning
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: and I'd stay on it till late in the night,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: trying to find the children, trying to get the case
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: ready for prosecution. Gotta mistrial in my opening statement because
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: I called the defendants pimps, which they were, but they
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: weren't charged with us. Had start over a week later.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Long story short, and yeah, okay, I did that. That
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: was wrong. We get a conviction, all right, Commander. Then
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: about three or four months later, I'm minding my own business,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: trying to work. I look up at the TV screen
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: and you know, those federal court sketches are terrible. They
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: don't have a camera there. You can't really make out
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: who the people are, and I thought, wow, that looks
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: like X, Y and Z that I worked vice with
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: in federal court, in jumpsuits, in handcuffs and like irons.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I'm like, guys, is that who I think it is? Yes?
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: For who knows how long they have been robbing dopers blind,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: taking all their dope money, taking their gold chains, taking
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: their plasma TV screens, whatever else they could find. And
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: it was so bad the dopers complained to the Feds
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: and the fans did a sting and busting them. I
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: had no idea. I had worked with these three cops
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: for months and I just thought they were great, right,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: And the heartbreak and the disappointment, I felt like I
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: got kicked in the stomach. And it's because you trust police,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: You kind of look up to them, You expect them,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: of all people, to do the right thing, and then
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: when they don't, it's a it's a major disappointment, and
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: it makes people bitter and angry. It sounds like, instead
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: of realizing that that it's just few and far between,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: people are taking it out against all cops. That's a
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: whole another can of worms. Okay, what I'm worried about
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: right now is a chicken sandwich. So, Commander Cavalier, are
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: you telling me you really believe they didn't serve anybody
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: the whole afternoon? So absolutely not. And I was not
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: really concerned they had her hat, and uh, you know,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: our concern was the two offices that at h at
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: that point, because you know, we thought that they deserve
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: to be served. They were out there every day. And
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: again if if if they would have that drive up
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: and someone was robbing a place, they expect those two
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: cops to be in there taking a bullet for him.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: And and uh, you know, we thought they were writing
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: what we're defending our people. We had enough information to
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: to make our case. And uh, certainly when he requested,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: when he demanded an apology, uh, that changed the whole, uh,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: you know, the whole circumstance. But because we knew that
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: our gods had not done anything wrong. Well, Commander, let
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: me ask you this, if they weren't serving anybody at all,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: why not say our fryars not working, we can't serve anybody.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, please come back tomorrow. Why not say
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: that I never believed that they had not served anybody.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I think that there were obviously some people there and
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: the day had not been served. I believe that the
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: people picked and trolls who they would not serve for
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: their own reasons. But that's for another day. That was
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: not you know, as far as my business was concerned,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: it was none of mine. We were concerned with all
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: people and and and that was that. And so you
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: do think they serve other people? Absolutely? Why why do
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: you think that? Well, there was they had served people
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: that were in the restaurant as the deputy drove in.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Well there you go, so we knew they was. We
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: knew they were serving so people that it's making my
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: teeth hurt. John Linley, Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: What do you know and what does Burger King Corporate
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: have to say? Burger King Corporate did release a statement
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: after all of this hit the press and social media,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: a statement today with that I want a free chicken sandwich.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: What do you mean? A statement that's exactly what they did.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Can't put catch up on that and eat it? Go ahead?
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: What they say? And in the statement, they confirmed the
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: owners claim that service had been denied to multiple customers.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I'll read just a little bit of this. The actions
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: of this team member do not reflect the values of
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: our brand. The team member in question refused service to
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: multiple guests on that day, including to law enforcement officials.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: The franchise e, who independently owns and operates this location
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: has confirmed that this individual no longer works for the organization.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: We'd like to sincerely apologize to the deputies for the
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: poor experience and are grateful for everything they do to
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: protect our communities. You're making my ears bleed. My ears
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: are bleeding from that, because that just sounds like a
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: bunch of corporate mumbo jumbo. You know what, come out
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: with it. You know what, We hired some lousy people,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: they did a bad thing, and we're giving the local
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: police free food for the next month. Come on in,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: eat on Burger King, do anything for us to make
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: it up to you who protect and serve us. You
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: know what, But you're telling me, Commander Cavalier, that the
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: people inside the restaurant were visibly being served when your
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: guys drove through. Correct. Oh okay, Limley, what else do
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: you know? Well, the owner of the St. Francis Philli
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Burger King we now know is Joe Clements of Crown Restaurants, LLC.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Let me write that down hold Joe Clemens, Now, who
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: is Joe Clements. He's the man that actually owns that
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: local franchise of Burger King. And after the corporate statement,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: he issued his own state at the very same day
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: to TV station w b r Z. And again I'll
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: just quote part of this. I am aware of the
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: incident at the Burger King and St. Francisville involving two
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Assumption Parish Sheriff's deputies not being served. Unfortunately, it also
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: involved other guests not being served. The actions of these
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: tim team members do not reflect the values and beliefs
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: of our organization, nor do they reflect the values and
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: beliefs of the Burger King brand. You may recognizize those words.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: I have investigated the incident and have determined that certain
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: team members refused service to multiple guests in our drive through,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: including the two deputies on that day. As a result,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: these individuals no longer work for our organization. I have
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: met with Sheriff Falcon of Assumption Pair and expressed my
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: sincere apology for they hold on right there? Limly is
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: that true, Commander Cavalier, Did the local owner meet with
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: the sheriff and say he's sorry? Yes? On Friday along
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: with people from Burger King. So they came in, so
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: he came in with them. Correct. You know what, I'll
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: put this whole thing to rest when I see that video,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: when I know that they did not serve other people
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: and not just your two officers. So, Commander Cavalier, what
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: does it stand right now? Basically where we left where
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: where they left the sheriff on Friday. Uh. They've been
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: releasing some local statements since Friday. Uh. Burger King has uh.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: And that's it. That's that's where we were at. We've
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: we've talked about people and and you know, told them
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: the results of of our investigation, and and uh, you know,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: told them they did everything right. You know, Commander Cavalier,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: it's not about the chicken sandwich, you know today with
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: the chicken sandwich, It's not about the burger It's about
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: them disrespecting officers that they expect to literally take a bullet,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: to say goodbye to their own families and sacrifice their
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: lives for other people. And I learned it the hard way.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: I had just been in the d a's office a
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: short while and struck up a friendship with a brand
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: new rookie cop Randy Chopanni. He had a wife, they
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: were trying to have children. He pulled over a guy,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: a kid for traffic violation. God is um you know?
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Citation pad walked up, didn't even get to say anything,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: and the kids shot him dead right then, No reason,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: no conflict, no argument, no nothing, dead right then. And
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: I'd expected Chopini at grand jury the following Tuesday. I'm like,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: where Chopani? He said he's dead over a traffic ticket.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: That that's that's the deal. And I'm so upset about
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: cops getting disrespected. I just want to apologize to your cops,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: if you could pass it on. Most people in America
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: do not feel that way. Yeah, we get mad, we
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: get angry, and we want justice when it cop does
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: something wrong. But tell you what cop work in twelve
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: hour ship drives up for a chicken sandwich. I just
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: feel bad for him with me, Commander Line and Cavalier
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: from Assumption Para Sheriff's office. Commander, thank you, and I
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  Speaker 1: hope you get that chicken sandwich free for your people.
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  Speaker 1: to get started right now. The TV Star Heather law
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  Speaker 1: Clear is on a fifty fifty that's a psych hold
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• 33:19
  Speaker 1: of tequila and crashed her Porsche into a pylon on
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: the grounds of her mansion. I mean, everything is going
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: sideways for her right now. Joining me Alexis Torres, Chuck
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Radar Online dot Com investigative reporter, alcohol rehab advocate, Michael Lohan, Dr.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Brian Russell, lawyer, psychologist and host of Fatal Vows. Also
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: with me, private eye and former Nashville p D Vincent Hill.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Let's go straight out to Alexis Terres chuck Radar Online
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: dot Com. The tequila and the Porsche and the crash
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: is just the most recent development regarding what is going
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: on with Heather Lockleer and all the crimes, the charges
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: she's catching and route. But how did it all start,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Alexas start at the beginning. On Sunday, Heather Luckleier was arrested.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: She had down an entire bottle of tequila and then
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: tried to drive her Porsche off her property and crashed
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: into a pylon on the property. She's a huge property,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: she's very wealthy. It's it's a very Wealthy area, crashed
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: her Porsche and that's when nine one one was called
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: because nobody can handle her and she had to be
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: taken into care. Do I understand that correctly? She punched
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: another cop and kicked an e M T issues being
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: rolled out on a gurney, something that we have gotten
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: very You too have had a lots lit this she
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: happened a few months ago, was February. Yes, she police
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: were called to her house twice on Sunday night. They
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: were called about six pm. They showed up, cops came,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: They said that there was nothing that could have um
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: arrest anybody, so they left. Five hours later, eleven pm,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: the cops are called again. They come back. Domestic disturbance
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: is the incident that they say, and they are trying
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: to arrest Heather. They actually said she was quote very
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: intoxicated and very uncooperative, so they were so worried about her.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: It is my understanding, Alexis terres Chuck that she actually
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: was having a physical confrontation with her own mother, and
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: when the cops tried to break it up, that's when
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: she kicked one cop and she was acting so crazy.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: They got her on a gurney and then she kicked
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: an e MT. You know what, Um, that's a lot
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: of power, you know, to be You think when somebody's
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: intoxicated that they would you know, be more malleable. But
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: apparently not so wetly like you would think that once
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: the cops came. But she she was so agitated that
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: she she was violently resisting this. And you know, Heather
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: is probably five ft tall and ways on her pounds
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: soaking wet like she's a tiny, beautiful woman, but very tiny.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: So the fact that she was able to make contact
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: with these officers is is testimony to how distressed she
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: wasn't and as as said, was incredibly intoxicated. No, alexis
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: tos Dynamite comes in small packages. Let's back it up,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: alex As you said, cops who were there in the
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: last weeks, what happened that time? Cops were called again,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: lad on a week ago Sunday, they were called to
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: the house again because they've been worried about Heather. But
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: this time when the police were called, the police said,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: and they said, we are this is a hazard house.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: So because the calls have been made so many times
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: from Heather's house. But what they said this is a
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: hazard house. They said. The person said, what does that mean?
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: That was calling that one? I said, Heather low clear,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: this is Heather Locklear's house. She has a gun, she
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: has threatened officers. This is the house that we are
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: very concerned about coming to. WHOA, I didn't know that part.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Uh to Dr Brian Russell, lawyer and psychologist, host of
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Investigation Discoveries Fatal Vows. Apparently she was either intoxicated or
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: on some kind of drug. And I don't want to
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: hold her background against her because she had I want
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: to know what has happened in this instance, okay, but
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: we do know that there have been many, many, let
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: me just say, euphemistically, brushes with the law. Dr Brian, Well,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: that's right, and I think in order to ascertain what
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: happened this time around, it is important to know what
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: has happened in some of those previous rounds, because it
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: does look like what we've got here is somebody with
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: a troubled history. To to put it mildly, that includes, uh,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: if not exclusively, at least includes a very prominent substance
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: abuse component to it. And I think it shows how
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: poorly we actually serve people like that when we slap
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: them on the wrist, Slap them on the wrist, slap
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: him on the wrist. And part of part of the
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: reason why we do that is because the clinical community
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: has sort of sort of you know, medicalized this to
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: the point where judges and and and prosecutors even will
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: see people as sort of disease victim. Oh, this person
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: has its substance abuse disorder, all its disease. We have
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: to feel sorry. We have to think about trying to
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: help them get treatment instead of punishing them even when
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: they do things like assault the cops. And the truth is,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: you know, I have a neighbor who is breast cancer survivor,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: and it makes me so damn mad when I see
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: one of these these substance abuse treatment advocates to equate
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: her with somebody who is a substance abuser and say, oh, yeah,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: both of these people are disease survivors. You know how
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: much my neighbor would have loved it if she could
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: have decided at any moment to quit having the symptoms
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: of breast cancer. So, you know, I think you can
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: feel sorry for somebody like Locklear if you want to,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: But the thing to do is impose consequences. It's it's
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: about getting it to the point where the motivation to
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: stop exceeds the motivation to continue, and consequences are key well.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: According to Associated Press, she was booked on three counts
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: of battery before this, and was also booked with alleged
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: assault against her live in boy friend, Chris Heiser. T
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: MZ says Lackler's brother called n one when he goes
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: to the home and saw her and Heiser physically fighting,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: and Heiser was the one that showed marks of an injury.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: When on that occasion, deputies trying to take her into custody,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: she became combative, flailing and kicking, now allegedly striking three deputies.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: She was then taken to a hospital. This is that
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: happened back and around February. Now in September, it was
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: reported she was venturing back in public. Before that, she
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: crashed her purse into a ditch, suffering minor injuries. There's
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: been one thing after the next, after the next, and
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: they all seemed to be somehow related to alcohol or drugs.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Don't know which joining me right now. Alcohol rehab advocate
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Michael Lohan Michael way in UM, Well, thank you very
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: much as annoying, I totally agree that when it comes
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: to addiction and other diseases, you can't equate to two
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: because it boils down to a choice. When it becomes
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: when you speak of addiction, I mean, it's not like
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  Speaker 1: having cancer, heart disease or MS where you can just
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  Speaker 1: say I want to stop. It's not like that. At
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  Speaker 1: the end of the day, an addict has that choice
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  Speaker 1: either I want to stop or I don't want to stop. Um.
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  Speaker 1: And there's a lot you know, I went through the
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  Speaker 1: same exact thing with my wife Kate that as it's
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: going through now. And there's a lot of factors involved
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  Speaker 1: in this. I mean, the medications that she's on, how
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  Speaker 1: it mixes with alcohol, a whole blackout fit. But they're
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  Speaker 1: not treating her property. You can't treat this by going
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  Speaker 1: to a a METS like she goes too. There's a
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: lot more to it. The first step that she really
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: needs to take and any doctor will probably agree with this.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: If you take a pg X test, which which is
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: an adverse medication test, which will tell if the medication
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  Speaker 1: that she's on is actually working for or not. And
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: if you drink any alcohol on most medications, you're gonna
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: have a horrible effect. It's going to you know, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know that she's on any medication at all. I mean,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: you may be right, but while are we saying during
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: any when she goes into the hospital, she gets arrested,
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  Speaker 1: the first thing they're going to do is try to
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  Speaker 1: detox her. Now, alcohol is one of the most dangerous
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: drugs of all to decox someone. More people die if
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: alcohol detoxin any of the decoxer is so they have
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  Speaker 1: to use some kind of medication when they're decox are
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: You can't just stop just have someone stop drinking. You
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: have to decox under a medical protocol using medication. Now,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: if she's in and out of the hospital within a
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: couple of days, she's still decoxing. That means she still
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: has medication in their system. And if she drinks on
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: that medication, she's gonna go into a blackout phase like
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: other people I know have and then they don't know
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: what they're doing. I mean, there's a lot more to it.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Just the treatment industry is broken. We are not treating
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  Speaker 1: people the right way. We're just talking to them like
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  Speaker 1: in AA meetings. There's there's a whole medical scidists that
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: need to be addressed. I mean, when people drink and
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: use drugs, that brain chemistry is going off tremendously and
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: you have to balance the brain chemistry again in order
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: to deal with a person is a very clear and
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: focused away. So there's so much. This is a this
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: is a long conversation. I don't want to I don't
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: want to kick up all of your time. But they
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: really need to check the medication she's on. They need
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: to look at the drinking patterns and if they're going
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: to detox that she needs to be in a longer
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: detox so that she can actually heal and be more
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: cognizant of what she's doing. What we know and the
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  Speaker 1: recent hours is that just one day after the arrest,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: authorities respond to her home in Thousand Os, California. It's
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: a medical call. Now, this is according to Ventura County
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Sheriff Sergeant Eric Bouchall. What we know is that a
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: pac lock Leer was transported to the hospital. Now we
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: shall would name the person because it's a medical issue,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: but we know the person that we believe to be
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: lock Cleer has been committed to the hospital. Now, as
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: we were just outlining hew the like Cleer the star
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: of Melrose Plays, was arrested on two misdemeanor counts of
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: battery on an emergency personnel that's an e m T
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  Speaker 1: and a cop. Now this is just days about forty
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: five days or so after she plays not guilty to
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: battery on a police officer in a separate incident. Now,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: deputies have responded to two separate calls to lock Leer's residents.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: The first call was around six pm local for a disturbance.
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  Speaker 1: As Alexis was telling us they determined no crime and
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: been committed. A second call rolls in around eleven pm.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: We learned that deputies arrived and they find a domestic
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: disturb urbants involving Locklear and another party. Some reports have
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: claimed it was her mother. Then she allegedly kicks one
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: of the deputies in the leg while they are surveying
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  Speaker 1: the situation. She was described as extremely intoxicated, uncooperative. She
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: was handcuffed taken into custody. Police say that because of
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: her drunken state, she was to be medically checked before
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: going to jail, and at that point that is when
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Locklear went into combat mode and kicks an e MT
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: in the chest. So she gets that on twenty dollar bill.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Within twenty four hours, police are back there on a
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: medical call. What do we know right now? Alexi's torres
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: chuck regarding her being in the hospital. So she has
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: been placed on a fifty two fifty hold in a hospital,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: which means it's more than just three days. This is
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: for days of her getting treatment. She's going to be
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: held where doctors evaluate her, try to see they can
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: figure out what is going on with her. But after this,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: this is an entire bottle of tequila that she had
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: to drink, and she's got to get some help. We
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: understand she has struggled in recent years with substance abuse. Two.
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  Speaker 1: Dr Brian Russell, lawyer, psychologist and hosts of Fatal vows
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: on Investigation Discovery. Well, but now, Dr Brian, nobody is
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: going to sit down a substance abuser and talk them
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: out of it. Rehab is something that fails of the time,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: which is why you know, not only that, but those
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: of us who are clinicians. This is the case illustrates
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: something else very important for people understand, very little power
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: to force anybody to do anything, even you know, if
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: somebody is actively saying they're going to kill themselves or
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: somebody else in the next five minutes. Usually the most
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: the clinician can do is put them on a hold
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: that lasts a matter of hours, seventy two hours at
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: the most. And so this is why a lot of
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: people are are so misguided when they think that we
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: are somehow being cruel to these people when we throw
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: the legal book at them. That the judicial system, a
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: criminal court judge is the one who actually does have
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: the power to force people to do things that are
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: at least in the best interests of the public. For example,
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: keeping this woman off the road sounds to me like
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: a very good thing to do here in the foreseeable future.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Who can do that? The judge can do that. She
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: didn't have to be out on bail when she was
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: already out on a previous beef, and now here she
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: is back again with another beef. I wouldn't have let
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: her back out. I would have revoked the bail on
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: the previous thing, and I would have after in and
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: put steel bar whatever the substance is, I would have
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: put steel bars between her and that substance for the
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: foreseeable time. That step number one, and then I would
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: continue to throw the book at her in an effort
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: to at least make it. Uh, we get to the
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: point faster where the motivation not to continue exceeds the
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: motivation to continue to Michael Lohan alcohol rehab advocate, Michael,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: what are you think? I I agree with him all.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: I think that makes all the sense in the world.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, when you're releasing someone right away and you're
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: not putting that barrier between them and the substance they're using,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: you're just putting them right back in the position they
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: were in before. The only thing that ends right. Accept
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: the numbers a little bit wrong. Statistically, Um, people are
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: going to treatment for thirty days to forty five days
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: usually relapse and within over the people relapse in the
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: first hundred a hundred and eighty days of getting out
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: of treat it. So your question is this is treatment
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: long enough? Is thirty days long enough? And the answer
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: is absolutely not. How are you going to cure you know,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: years maybe one, five or ten years of drinking or
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: out or a drug abuse and matter of thirty days,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: it's not going to happen. It's impossible. And clinically, like
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: you said, you can't speak sobriety to somebody It's like
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: talking to a wound. If you have a cut on
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: your arm and I continue to talk to it, is
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: it going to heal? No, of course not. You have
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: to treat it. Let me interrupt you, Michael, explain to me,
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: explain to everybody listening. You can't tell an alcoholic or
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: an attic. Why don't you just stop that That doesn't
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: work that way. It's an addiction. They can't just stop. No, not.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: You're right, You're definitely right, Nancy. You know, when they're
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: in the thrones of addiction, you can't tell them to stop.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: But here's a very valid question. Why is it that
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: some people go to treatment and after one time, after
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: the days, they do stop, and some people it takes
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: a can of fifteen times before they do stop. Did
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: they really learn to learn anything the last time that
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: they need learned the first time? No? Absolutely not. Some
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: people like myself in in two thousand and five, I
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: was put in a position where I went to jail
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: for d W I I made the decision to stop.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: I actually died in a car accident and that was
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: it for me. That was my epiphany. People need what
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: what does it take, Nancy? Does they take losing your children,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: losing someone in your life, in your life that you love,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: losing your own life, or being that close to losing
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: your life to make you stop. It shouldn't be, but
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: for some people it is. It's just that it boils
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: down to a choice. Am I going to live like
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: this anymore? And not, like I said, if you're an
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: active addiction, that the tough thing to do because you're
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: in the thrones of it, in your gripped by it.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: But through the process of the more time you have
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: in a program, the more the more the chance of
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: you being able to make that decision, come to come
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: to fruition is going to happen. We more time to
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: deal with people. Thirty days isn't enough and unfortunately that's
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: all insurance companies will pay for. Well, you know, I'm
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: I'm hearing what Lohan is saying, Vincent Hill, but I
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: have another concern. I want her to get well, and
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: I want her to get the treatment she needs, and
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: I want her daughter to be brought up in a
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: home where the mom isn't intoxicated or on drugs if
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: that is the case. But Vincent Hill, we got the
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: whole issue of her kicking hitting a cop this is
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: not the first time around and kicking an e M T.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: All right, that's not okay. No, it's definitely not okay, Nancy.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: But you know, I'm just the next cop. I'm definitely
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: not a psychiatrist or somebody that's versed in alcohol. I
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: never accused you of that, But what I can say,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: I've lived with someone I think there's a deeper issue here.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: And a lot of people don't associate at alcoholism or
• 52:01
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• 52:04
  Speaker 1: bipolar and one of her symptoms was to self medicate
• 52:08
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• 52:11
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• 52:14
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• 52:18
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