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Experts weigh in on the best way to ignore your problems, Jubilee style | Rantzerker 225 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: horticultural Hordes with rant Zurker. Two twenty five experts way
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  Speaker 1: in on the best way to ignore your problems Jubilee style.
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  Speaker 1: And this is another installment of how to pretend we
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  Speaker 1: don't have a problem with what's going on in society.
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  Speaker 1: So shall we just get right into it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So where we left off was just the start.
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  Speaker 3: Of the next sort of you know, statement that we're
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  Speaker 3: that the panel is choosing to agree or disagree with
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  Speaker 3: it was feminism is tr to remove masculinity from society.
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  Speaker 3: The people who agreed with it have already come forward
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  Speaker 3: and set their peace, and now the disagreeers are stepping forward,
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  Speaker 3: including the plant here, and we'll see what they have
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  Speaker 3: to say. So I'm just going to play it from there.
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  Speaker 3: Let me turn on the appropriate things here.
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  Speaker 1: That's perfect the plant in so many ways.
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  Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed it is. He's a plant.
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  Speaker 1: He is a plant, and he's possibly a plant from
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  Speaker 1: another planet.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's do it on a plant based.
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  Speaker 4: Men typically get custody of their children way more often
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  Speaker 4: than not when a woman.
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  Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, okay, is this the is this the
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  Speaker 1: does feminism want to get rid of masculinity? Question? And
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  Speaker 1: so we're on custody for some reason?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it came up when the agreers we're
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  Speaker 3: talking about it.
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  Speaker 5: They were talking about you need a father in the
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  Speaker 5: home to teach mature masculinity to boys.
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  Speaker 1: Well yeah, okay, all right, fair enough.
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  Speaker 3: So now say that men men get custody, and that means.
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  Speaker 5: No, men get custody way.
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  Speaker 2: More way more often than not. Yeah, well, here's.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the thing. They don't. They don't period, And if
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  Speaker 1: they did, then feminists would support shared custody initiatives with
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  Speaker 1: a rebuttable presumption because that would get rid of the
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  Speaker 1: bias for fathers. But they don't because they know that
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  Speaker 1: there's a bias for mothers. Look at what they do
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  Speaker 1: and not at what they say. Feminists do not support
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  Speaker 1: shared custody initiatives, even though that would completely erase any
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  Speaker 1: bias towards fathers and give women a level playing field.
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  Speaker 1: But they don't support that because they know the truth.
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  Speaker 1: This is absolutely everything coming out of her mouth is
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  Speaker 1: a complete line.
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  Speaker 2: Yep. I don't know where.
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  Speaker 3: I want to know where she gets this from. So
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  Speaker 3: let maybe she'll maybe they'll explain.
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  Speaker 5: Why he gets it from from the Massachusetts study from
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  Speaker 5: like nineteen eighty nine, and that's been thoroughly debunked.
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  Speaker 3: Is it the one where because I know that one
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  Speaker 3: argument that's often made I don't remember if she makes
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  Speaker 3: this is that the only when it's only when men
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  Speaker 3: ask for it, and men don't ask for it because
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  Speaker 3: the assumption is men don't want to be involved with
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  Speaker 3: their children.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, well no, but I mean, the issue is is
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  Speaker 5: that that data doesn't necessarily measure up because most men
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  Speaker 5: go into a divorce thinking that their wife is going
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  Speaker 5: to be fair, you know, unless they've already been burned
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  Speaker 5: once and so they when when a man files for divorce,
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  Speaker 5: he usually doesn't ask for custody, and he probably would
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  Speaker 5: never actually want one hundred percent sole physical custody, right.
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  Speaker 5: Women are much more likely to ask for soul physical custody,
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  Speaker 5: and you know, and then but then the study that
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  Speaker 5: they always reference, it didn't make any kind of distinction
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  Speaker 5: between joint custody being Wednesday evenings and every other weekend,
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  Speaker 5: or joint custody being fifty to fifty physical custody right
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  Speaker 5: fifty to fifty shared parenting. It didn't even make a
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  Speaker 5: distinction between legal custody and physical custody, because there is
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  Speaker 5: a difference. Right, A man who has legal custody but
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  Speaker 5: no visitation, right, still has a right to phone his
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  Speaker 5: kids school and ask how they're what their grades are,
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  Speaker 5: and things like that. Right, they still have a say
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  Speaker 5: in medical decisions and things like that. Right, So it's like, yeah, no,
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  Speaker 5: and there they lump them all in together. But even
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  Speaker 5: in the when you actually when the guy actually crunched
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  Speaker 5: the numbers on the website, breaking the science, he found
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  Speaker 5: that when women request did custody and when men requested custody,
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  Speaker 5: women were granted some form of custody, uh, six times
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  Speaker 5: more often than men were men who ask for custody. Right,
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  Speaker 5: So even in cases where the man does ask for
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  Speaker 5: custody six times more often, if the woman also asks
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  Speaker 5: for custody, she will she will get some form of
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  Speaker 5: custody than he will. So it's I mean, like it's
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  Speaker 5: it's it's playing with numbers. It's it's what they love
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  Speaker 5: to do.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Expanding definitions, redefining terms, you know, like you said,
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  Speaker 3: expanding numbers, altering like just like little a little shell game,
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  Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, it's it's like.
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  Speaker 5: Well, okay, so Noel Plum did a video ages ago
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  Speaker 5: about the wage the wage gap, and we're talking like wages,
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  Speaker 5: hourly wages, straight time, no overtime, right between men and women,
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  Speaker 5: and they found that there was an eleven percent women
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  Speaker 5: earned eleven percent less than men did, okay, in hourly
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  Speaker 5: wages just straight time, like absolutely like the purest measure
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  Speaker 5: right for all jobs. Right, And then they went and
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  Speaker 5: they looked and they found that they found that a
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  Speaker 5: wage gap. No, so it was seventeen percent. Sorry, And
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  Speaker 5: then they found that in full time work, it was
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  Speaker 5: it was eleven percent. Women were earning eleven percent less.
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  Speaker 5: So you would expect that in part time work women
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  Speaker 5: would be making way less than men, right, to make
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  Speaker 5: up that seventeen percent, to bring that eleven percent up
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  Speaker 5: to seventeen percent. No, wrong, women were making eight percent
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  Speaker 5: more than men part time work. It's just that you
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  Speaker 5: have when you have more women in part time work
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  Speaker 5: than men, right, and the men are all earning less, well,
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  Speaker 5: they just don't contribute. The men don't contribute that much
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  Speaker 5: to the group of part time workers in terms of numbers.
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  Speaker 5: And it's the same with women. When women work full
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  Speaker 5: time less, then they don't contribute to, you know, to
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  Speaker 5: the whole frickin' group. So it's like it's it's called
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  Speaker 5: the Simpsons paradox. And yeah, and and these people take
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  Speaker 5: advantage of it all the time, all the time, anytime
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  Speaker 5: that they can just kind of rejigger the numbers and
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  Speaker 5: they're not changing figures necessarily, they're just, hm, we're going
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  Speaker 5: to use this equation rather than that equation and give
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  Speaker 5: this impression rather than that impression.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, let's contee. Let's hear what she says,
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  Speaker 3: because I don't know what her I doubt that it's
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  Speaker 3: going to be that involved. I think that there might
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  Speaker 3: be Well we'll see, we'll see. Maybe I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to presume that she's dumb.
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  Speaker 2: But let's listen to.
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  Speaker 4: This experience of domestic violence in the marriage. She's more
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  Speaker 4: likely to lose custody of her children. There is no
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  Speaker 4: issue with men getting custody.
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  Speaker 5: That's not that's that's not true.
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  Speaker 6: You're just making up what percent of the time do
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  Speaker 6: men get custody of.
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  Speaker 4: Their at least fifty percent of the time what you're
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  Speaker 4: thinking about that's not true.
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  Speaker 5: No no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no. See see
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  Speaker 5: what I mean.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, at least fifty of the time, right, he at
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  Speaker 7: least gets Wednesday evenings and every other weekend, right.
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  Speaker 3: Right, or he gets to have a say and like
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  Speaker 3: you said, like you know, stuff dealing with.
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  Speaker 5: If he can make his doctor's appointments or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, So it's like, I'm sorry, but like that is
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  Speaker 5: not the same as physical custody. And nobody's talking about
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  Speaker 5: legal custody, a legal right to know how your child
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  Speaker 5: is doing in school, the legal right to well, I mean,
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  Speaker 5: like we talk about it, but legal to know whether
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  Speaker 5: he has can care to be informed of certain things
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  Speaker 5: pertaining to your child.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, what, you're back. You're good, You're back there, seemed there.
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  Speaker 3: You're We're losing some packets. It's not a big deal,
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  Speaker 3: all right, go.
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  Speaker 5: Ahead, okay, But but you know what we're talking about
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  Speaker 5: is you know, the opportunity to tuck your kids into
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  Speaker 5: bed and you know, sit around the table and have
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  Speaker 5: dinner with them and talk about about their day at
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  Speaker 5: school with them and you know, uh, help them learn
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  Speaker 5: how to ride a bike and ship like that. That's
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  Speaker 5: what we're talking about. Hands on parenting. And you know,
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  Speaker 5: like Eve and dads who work long hours often do
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  Speaker 5: a lot of hands on parenting. They just do. And
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  Speaker 5: it's like just because he's he wasn't there all the
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  Speaker 5: time doesn't mean or that she was present in the
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  Speaker 5: child's presence more often and performed more chores does not
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  Speaker 5: mean that the relationship between the child and the father
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  Speaker 5: is meaningless. And so it's like I just every time
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  Speaker 5: I hear this argument and the fIF of the time
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  Speaker 5: men get custody. Well that what that what that by
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  Speaker 5: definition means is that fifty percent of the time they're
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  Speaker 5: not even allowed to call their kids.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's what it really means, right, that they
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  Speaker 3: have like zero access. All right, let's hear it like
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  Speaker 3: because they're talking over each other. So let's see, let's
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  Speaker 3: see if that this gets cleared up. I'm gonna play
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  Speaker 3: some more.
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  Speaker 8: And over twenty seven percent of the time, nine of
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  Speaker 8: the cases do not even go to family courts.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but the question is why, And that's I had
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  Speaker 6: the same I know I had the same. I had
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  Speaker 6: the same thought when I first heard it. I would
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  Speaker 6: ask why aren't men fighting for custody? But the problem
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  Speaker 6: you get is the lawyers will tell them not to
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  Speaker 6: even fight because it's so expensive.
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  Speaker 2: If you have a test and.
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  Speaker 9: You have I don't even file the appromiate papers.
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  Speaker 2: Why are you blaming feminism for that? Wait?
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  Speaker 4: I think the statistics and the numbers that you're thinking
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  Speaker 4: of and that you're talking about are from the seventies.
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  Speaker 4: It was from a psychologist, doctor Gardner. He was the
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  Speaker 4: one who invent.
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  Speaker 3: So Karen, Oh yeah, yeah, So why are is this
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  Speaker 3: the one I'll play the rest of this, so she
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  Speaker 3: says for doctor Gardner. But before that, the guy says,
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  Speaker 3: why are you blaming feminism for that?
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  Speaker 2: And they go ahead.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I'm just I'm having problems with continuity here.
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  Speaker 5: So I don't know whether it's you or whether it's me.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, did you miss something? What's the Let me play
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  Speaker 3: the clip again. Were not able to hear it?
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  Speaker 5: It's just very choppy. It's just very choppy.
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  Speaker 3: So okay, all right, I'll just play a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of it again. Here's Pearl saying. I also questioned this
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  Speaker 3: this statistic and thought men were not fighting for custody
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  Speaker 3: of their children.
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  Speaker 6: That is, the lawyers will tell them not to even
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  Speaker 6: fight because it's so expensive if.
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  Speaker 9: You have, and I don't even file the appropriate paper.
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  Speaker 2: Are you blaming feminism for that? Wait?
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  Speaker 4: I think the statistics and the numbers that you're thinking
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  Speaker 4: of and that you're talking about are from the seventies.
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  Speaker 4: It was from a psychologist, doctor Gardner. He was the
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  Speaker 4: one who invented the term parent alienation, and he was
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  Speaker 4: very nice in gearing it towards women. He was later
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  Speaker 4: discovered what.
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  Speaker 5: It's a good thing, Monique, isn't here? They they slandered
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  Speaker 5: Gardner as a pedophile, falsely slandered him as a pedophile
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  Speaker 5: to discredit his work, right, just like they did with
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  Speaker 5: war Ferreh. And you know, oh he's an incest apologist, right, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: to discredit his work. And so yeah, apparently parental alienation
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  Speaker 5: does not exist because the guy who invented the term
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  Speaker 5: was apparently a pedophile. Well, okay, the term gender identity
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  Speaker 5: doesn't exist because uh, doctor John Money sexually abused his patience.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: Well yeah, but of course it doesn't count then, right,
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  Speaker 3: So she this is it's this is a pattern of
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  Speaker 3: using slander to discredit people and then pretending like everything
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  Speaker 3: they say is made up, Like there's no such thing
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  Speaker 3: as abandoning your child, there's no such thing as parents
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  Speaker 3: who are like in a divorce and the one parent
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  Speaker 3: uses like the legal system and and essentially brainwashes their
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  Speaker 3: kid into thinking that the other parent doesn't like them.
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  Speaker 3: You know, the guy I did an interview with him,
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  Speaker 3: his wife ran to Ukraine with his child, and then
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  Speaker 3: right when and then the when he was trying to
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  Speaker 3: get his kid back, the Russia invaded Ukraine, and the
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  Speaker 3: his ex wife took his son and went into Russia
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  Speaker 3: and lives there, and now his son doesn't even speak English,
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  Speaker 3: so she.
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  Speaker 2: He can't talk to his own kid. That's not that's
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  Speaker 2: not happening. That's not a thing.
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  Speaker 5: Oh man. I had to, like my my divorce was
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  Speaker 5: you know, I wouldn't call it, you know, combative or
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  Speaker 5: contentious or like particularly toxic, right, but it was not amicable.
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  Speaker 5: It was not one you know, everything's cool and we're
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  Speaker 5: parting as best as friends or anything like that. And
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  Speaker 5: it took me a long time to get over how
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  Speaker 5: he kind of made the entire process way more difficult
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  Speaker 5: than it had to be, way more expensive than it
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  Speaker 5: had to be. And I had to actually really stop
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  Speaker 5: myself from bad mouthing him in front of the kids,
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  Speaker 5: right like it was. It was just like, but if
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  Speaker 5: you do that enough, you poison your children against their dad.
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  Speaker 5: And it's like, no, he's their dad, and so I
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  Speaker 5: was I was just like, uh, I have to not
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  Speaker 5: say these I have to say them to someone, and
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  Speaker 5: I will, but I'm not going to say it in
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  Speaker 5: front of them, right yeah, yeah, all.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Allison's back, Hold on a second. I got to
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  Speaker 3: So we should we should go we should go back
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  Speaker 3: a little bit so that als can hear the clip
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  Speaker 3: where they're talking about fathers getting.
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  Speaker 1: Custody of real cannot this woman.
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  Speaker 3: I know she's though, she's probably among the worst. The
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  Speaker 3: other woman's pretty bad too, though, but she actually I
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  Speaker 3: can't stand this.
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  Speaker 1: She always has the face of a howler monkey.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's angry. She's angry.
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  Speaker 3: You know what, if I was on the panel, I
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  Speaker 3: think I would just completely destroy it by just saying
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  Speaker 3: calm down, woman, because that really pieces women.
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  Speaker 2: Off when you say that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, if you guys, notice settle down. It's
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  Speaker 3: the nuclear reaction. If you just say, would you please
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  Speaker 3: calm down? You're being hysterical, they will lose their mind.
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  Speaker 3: Well they'll prove you right, so right, But anyway.
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  Speaker 2: That's the that's the secret.
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  Speaker 5: Guys.
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  Speaker 3: You want to upset a woman without having to get
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  Speaker 3: follow just say calm down, okay, and that that will
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  Speaker 3: just be the end.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: There will be guardian articles will spring out of the woodwork,
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: you know, there'll be.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: All kinds of thought pieces on it.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: Calm down is the new misogynist far right talking point,
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: you know, like that's it's just gonna be all over. Yeah,
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: of course it is, of course it is. All right,
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: let's let's uh, let's play this again. I'm gonna replay it.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: The statistics on the numbers you're thinking of and that
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: you're talking about are from the seventies. It was from
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: a psychologist, doctor Gardner. He was the one who invented
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: the term parent alienation, and he was very biased in
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: gearing it towards women. He was later discovered to also
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: be defending pedophilia. The parent alienation has never been in
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: any DSM, never recognized by anyone, even the World Health Organization.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: So more often than not, now that women are working
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: and men are working, custody is very rapt on the middle.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: Who I want to see that fact check that popped
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: up because Jubilee is is in on this as well.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: So cologist doctor Gardner, he was the one who invented it.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Says Gardner developed the theory.
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: She said, apologists, pedophile apologists.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was another pop up right after this.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: So I'm going to read this record for the people
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: that are for the.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: People who are listening.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: Gardner developed the theory of parental alienation syndrome, a condition
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: in which children wrongly believe wrongly believe that they are
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: being abused, and recommend recommended courts treat the children by
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: placing them in the custody of the parent accused of abuse.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: So so it's just.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: One way that they do that, by the way, but yes,
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: he was Essentially.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: What that means is Gardner is saying, take the kids
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: from the parent abusing them and give them to the
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: kid to the parent who isn't.
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: Well, it's basically like Leiji and Vladik all over again, right,
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: you know, like Liigia was the abusive one, but she
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: was the one who was accusing. She was the only
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: one who was accusing anyone of abuse, and so yeah,
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: but well you know, the family saw through it.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: What I mean by that is that if you are
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: a mother who is coaching your children to say that
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: they're abused by their father, that is abuse. Yeah, okay, So.
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: Essentially for convincing your children, because this is this is
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: one of the horrible things, is you can actually convince
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: your child that he or she was abused by the
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: other parent. You can actually convince them to believe that,
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: not just not just to like say it, but to
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: genuinely believe it and form memories of it. Because that's
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: how malleable. People's brains are, yes, sail when they're young.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: So essentially, he's saying, take the child from the parent
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: who's abusing the child and give it to the parent
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: who isn't. Based on this particular form of child abuse,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: because this is child abuse.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Sounds like a sketchy theory to me.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: That just really sketchy.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Let's let's debunk it by accusing him of pedophilia. Okay,
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden that that thing that
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: he said can't possibly be true.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: What do you what? Are you a pedophile apologist to.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just use a false accusation to shut them down
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: and get your way.
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: Well, just because you accuse some women of having Munchausen's
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: by proxy doesn't mean children don't get cancer.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: All right, let's let's play the rest of this. I
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: want to see the other pop up.
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: Very biased in gearing it towards women. He was later
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: discovered to also be defending pedophilia. The apparent alienation has
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: never been in any DSM, never recognized by anyone, even
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: the World Health Organization. So more often than not, now
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: that women are working and men are working, custody is
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: very rat on the and.
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: Who gets the custody the majority of the.
• 25:21
  Speaker 9: Time men or women, Well, men who fight for custody
• 25:23
  Speaker 9: actually far more like.
• 25:25
  Speaker 10: To get back to the question, I found the question
• 25:28
  Speaker 10: somewhat too vague. I mean, do feminists want to erase masculinity?
• 25:31
  Speaker 10: Kind of too abstract and vague to answer. So my
• 25:34
  Speaker 10: problem is when feminists try and redefine masculinity, or they
• 25:39
  Speaker 10: try and say this is our interpretation of Tosk masculinity
• 25:42
  Speaker 10: as we see it. That's kind of the problem that
• 25:45
  Speaker 10: I have. I don't like it when feminists tell men
• 25:48
  Speaker 10: how they should feel, how they're supposed to feel, this
• 25:51
  Speaker 10: is how your experience as a man is supposed to go.
• 25:54
  Speaker 10: And that is where I would have the issue with them.
• 25:57
  Speaker 9: I would say that, yeah, so people say, oh, masculine,
• 25:59
  Speaker 9: like men are all supposed to be masculine, women are
• 26:01
  Speaker 9: always supposed to be feminine, as if there's no overlap.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: While there may be differences, blue orange makes a salient point.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Now we shall experience five minutes of blather.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, But people say everything one hundred percent this. No,
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: nobody says that. No, literally, nobody says that. Nobody says that.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: Nobody says you have to be a man all the time,
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: one hundred percent, and this is how it's done.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Nobody said that. Who are you talking about?
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Like you get out of college, it's melting your brain.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: It's like your brain is like a pad of butter.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: On, like a hot pancake. It's ridiculous. I'm sorry.
• 26:40
  Speaker 9: Okay, between men and women are average A lot of times,
• 26:43
  Speaker 9: those effects sizes are pretty small. And to have a
• 26:45
  Speaker 9: society where we have this rigid like you're a woman,
• 26:47
  Speaker 9: therefore this is the best job for you. You're a man,
• 26:49
  Speaker 9: so this is the best job for you.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: That's not how you have a floor rigid attitude that
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: men are to blame and men have constructed society. Like
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: the thing is that? Okay, So every thing is arbitrary.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: The roles are arbitrary. Fair enough, Why have men decided
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: to take the role that results in three to four
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: to five times more death?
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Like men, men, The roles are arbitrary, and men assign them.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Therefore they assign themselves to the role that dies five
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: times more often? Really, and that that because they hate women? Okay,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Well all of this falls apart. Like I said, it's blather,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: blather skate. Okay, does the blather end at any point?
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: All right? Yeah?
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna jump ahead to the plant.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Want to Yeah, go ahead, I do.
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: I do want to say that that the overlap that
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: she's talking about is is not what she thinks it is.
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: There's a beautiful article on close one. I think it's
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: called it's a you know, like free research website, right,
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: open source search website called the distance between Venus and Mars, and.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Uh, you know, uh, it's a lot global.
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: I think it's called global. The subtext is called global differences,
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: global sex differences in personality. And what they found was
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: that when you had when you amalgamate all these sort
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: of subtraits into like one of the big five sometimes
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: six core traits, like extra version, right, Okay, so extra
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: version is a Big five trait, and then there's another
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: five agreeableness, and you know some of the others, right
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: that you you find that men and women are basically
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: the same, there's almost no difference, right, But then when
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: you look at the fact that in women extraversion expresses
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: primarily in warmth and affiliation, whereas in men it more
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: often expresses as social dominance and assertiveness and venturesomeness. Right then,
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: and then like those are nothing alike. I mean, they
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: are all forms of extroversion of you know.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Right, so what you're saying is with other people.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: But right, so, what you're saying is there's a lot
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: of similarity in the Big five between men and women.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: But the context is worlds apart like that where that happens.
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: What they found was that when they actually broke it
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: down into like looking at the individual subtraits, they found
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: that there was only about a twenty four percent overlap
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: between men and women's personalities. And then when they removed
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: the single okay, and this is going to shock all
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: of you guys, right, the single biggest difference, the single
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: biggest utrait difference, sensitivity, emotional sensitivity. When they removed that,
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: they found that that there was no it was ten
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: percent overlap. When they remove sensitivity, there was a twenty
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: four percent overlap. Right, So you're looking at a situation
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: where men and women are really like across all of
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: these traits, they're they're nothing alike. I'm sorry, they're just not.
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: And yes, everything happens on a curve, right, but you
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: know within sexes and those curves overlap. But you have
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: to be more sensitive than than seventeen more than more
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: sensitive than eighty three percent of men, right, in order
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: to be as sensitive as the average woman, as a
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: median woman. So, I mean, I'm sorry, but there's just
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: it's it's not this is none of this is but
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: but then again, they play with the statistics. They play
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: with the numbers. Oh, we're going to bundle all of
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: these traits assertiveness, venturesomeness, dominance, warmth, and affiliation all into
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: this big category of extraversion. It's just a big melting pot.
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: And yeah, because men and women, men are equally extroverted,
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: we can say they're the same.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, so there is there, there is they're the same,
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: but not really because again, in a certain context, men
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: and women are going to be very very different. So
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: and yeah, I think that the big five thing.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Is well I don't.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: It's well, let's sim into the next bit because this
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: is where it gets really horticultural.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: So let's play this.
• 31:50
  Speaker 11: But in my experience, I feel like, what is when
• 31:53
  Speaker 11: it comes to redefined es pliny, that's not even a
• 31:54
  Speaker 11: real concept. We need to abolish gender as a whole
• 31:58
  Speaker 11: because the ideas it's pretty much raising the whole mask.
• 32:02
  Speaker 11: That's not even a real concept. Feminine is not a
• 32:04
  Speaker 11: real concept. These are just things that were designed long
• 32:07
  Speaker 11: ago by people who Yeah, it's not real.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: It's not real.
• 32:11
  Speaker 12: The human content, Yeah, men lives matter is like what.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Let's just flatten everything and become like gray blobs that
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: are completely featureless. And then we'll finally have a quality.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: Well find like that's the only way, we just have
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: to stop being human.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: So they're not doing anything of the sort. They're not
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: actually fundamentally questioning anything about gender. They think they are,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: but they're not because they still put men in a
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: position of accountability and women in a position of blamelessness.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: So they're still supporting a very very strict gender dynamic,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: and they have don't have the mental faculties to even
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: analyze it, to be honest, from what I can see,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: they just don't have the deconstructive ability to really understand
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: what gender is. And yet they espouse all this nonsense
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: about how we're going to live in a genderless world,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: except men will still be to blame for patriarchy.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, it won't change anything.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: It won't change anything.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: And like he'll he'll say, there's no such thing as femininity.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: But remember when he came in here the plant, this plant,
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: guy Ariel, he basically said women. And then you know,
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: when it came to women, he was like, here are
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: all the problems women have. When it came to men,
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: he was like, there's no such thing as a man.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: It doesn't exist.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: So he is still operating within a binary and he's
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: still acknowledging the existence of women as a victim group
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: and men as an oppressor group regardless.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: So he's probably an identity out of the idea that
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: he is saving women from their problems of how is
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: that traditional masculineity? Yeah?
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: Well, and then of course, when when men finally are
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: convinced by these feminists to completely dismantle patriarchy, and the
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: entire fucking world goes to shit because we got rid
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: of masculinity and and and made everybody equal and and
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: everything just falls apart and nobody's attracted to anybody anymore. Right,
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: what are they gonna do. They're gonna blame men for
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: like doing what they wanted.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: They're gonna blame men for not stepping in and doing
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: something about like like a woman who does something absolutely
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: insane and a man lets her and then like she
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: almost dies or something, and he's like, why do you
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: do that?
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: And she's like why do you let me? That's basically
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: what's gonna be. Men are gonna be blamed why now
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: stopping it? You know? Yeah, it's you know, I'm crazy,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: why'd you let this happen?
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: But they're actually challenging gendital roles when they stop blaming
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: men for everything. Yeah, but that that moment then they're like,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: wait a second, maybe actually women should be accountable to something.
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the moment I'll think they'll they're really challenging
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: gender roles. Until then they're just supporting them.
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, all right, So this guy, let's see where it
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: goes from here, because so some other male feminists on
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: the other side, Oh, I'm sorry, non male gray blob
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: guy on the other side acknowledge that this gray blob
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: said about men. So the gray blobs are in agreements
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: with each other.
• 35:40
  Speaker 8: Plaint is that feminists, which aren't synonymous with women. Obviously
• 35:44
  Speaker 8: we have too male feminists right here. If the complaint
• 35:45
  Speaker 8: is that feminists want to reconstruct the new idea of
• 35:48
  Speaker 8: masculinity that is actually healthy, that it allows men to
• 35:51
  Speaker 8: realize when they are victims, oh god.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Wait wait, go back again. I'm sorry I laughed. They
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: won't to constructing new Yeah, the new version of masculinity.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: What was that?
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: What was man? The new man?
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: Allison, I'm sorry to bring bring it back to commie ship.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: But the social man, the socialist new man.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: No, I know, but that's the frame. That's the frame
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: that they're they're bringing up and they're talking about like, yeah,
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: all right, let's play it.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Let's play this is.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: The old man.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, it's not real. It's not real.
• 36:26
  Speaker 8: The human If the if the complaint is that feminists,
• 36:29
  Speaker 8: which aren't synonymous with women obviously with fe male feminists
• 36:32
  Speaker 8: right here, If the complaint is that feminists want to
• 36:34
  Speaker 8: reconstruct the new idea of masculinity that is actually healthy,
• 36:37
  Speaker 8: that allows men to realize when they are victims, when
• 36:40
  Speaker 8: they are going through things like depression or or suicidal
• 36:45
  Speaker 8: or alienation.
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: Jesus Christ, m M. I s do this every fucking day,
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: every day. Parental alienation is primarily a male victory.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: The kind of abuse, right, false accusations, yeah.
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: False accusations right, divorce rate right, like all of these things.
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: It's it's like I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but and but
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: men can't acknowledge they just need to be able to
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: acknowledge it they're victims.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: And then not.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, but then again, like the the the entirety
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: of feminist scholarship around things like domestic violence is.
• 37:27
  Speaker 12: Minimizing victims victims, and if.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: They are victims. They deserved it. Like literally, that's the
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: entirety of feminist scholarship around male victims of domestic violence
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: is to minimize, reduce, and excuse that they were actually
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: the ones who deserved it and the violence was retributive
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: on the part of the woman, even if she's the
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: only one who hits in the entire relationship, it was
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: the man's fault somehow.
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, no, this is this is this is one
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: of the things too, because I had actually a friend
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: of mine say, well, you know, when I was discussing
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: the neighbors, right, and how he's they're having a fight.
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: She's screaming at him. She picks a fight, she's screaming
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: at him. He's begging her to stop, please just calm down.
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: We can talk about this later. There's a baby in
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: the house, right, and and you know, he's just going
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: from room to room to room, right and closing the door,
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: and she's following him. So he's trying to remove himself
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: from the situation, but not leave his baby alone with
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: this psycho, right, Okay. And then finally, finally, after like
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: forty five minutes or an hour of this, he hits
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: her once and she's throwing shit like you can hear
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: shit hitting the walls. I think they had to dry
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: wall the whole place after those two moved out, right,
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: And so she's being extremely violent. He hits her once, right,
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: and then it just goes silent, and then like twenty
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: minutes later, they're out with the baby and the stroller
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: right a walk because I guess they settled it, right,
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: and he needed to do that to calm her the
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: fuck down. And so I'm telling my friend this and
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: she says, oh, she was just trying to defuse his violence, right,
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: to trigger his violence before it it builds up to
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: a lethal rage, right, right, So she was just trying
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: to diffuse him like a bit by bit by bit,
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: because if she didn't do that right then, you know
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: she he would he would just get angrier and angrier
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: and angrier for like months, and then he'd like beat
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: her to death for no reason.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's absurd. That sounds like it's like you think, yeah, yeah,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: the women, the woman is doing everything she can to
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: instigate violence, and when it finally happens, it's because she
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: wanted to diffuse him. No, it's because, as Aaron Pizzy said,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: she wanted the violence because people who get into you
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: have these experiences, these childhood verse childhood experiences, can become
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: addicted to the emotions surrounding violence, and it's an ugly thing.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: It doesn't excuse domestic violence, but it's a thing that happens.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: And until like I think it was devor Pony, was
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: it depony who talks about how women have to take
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: responsibility for their violence because it is the biggest predictor
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: for being aggressed against, brought that up.
• 40:35
  Speaker 12: And were even getting.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: It away from that? That's like that, that is it
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: that we don't even have to talk about men who
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: hit at all, who actually engage in mutual violence, especially
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: mutual violence after the woman has done something like that
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: that they've been violent for half an hour, they've been
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: instigating for half an hour. We can just talk about
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: men who do nothing, absolutely nothing, And feminists are saying
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: that those men are to blame for the violence they
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: can experience. So in what capacity do women are, sorry,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: feminists recognize male victimhood at all? In what capacity? Put
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: your money where your mouth is, dude, Because right now
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: what it sounds like is you're like, oh, well, I
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: don't want them to realize the truth of feminism, and
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: this is a good thing supposedly, so I'm gonna claim
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: that feminism does it for no other reason then, because
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: I am an adherent to this particular ideology. Well, put
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: your money where your mouth is, right, put it where
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: your mouth is the only feminist initiative I have ever
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: heard from male victims of domestic violence. The woman specifically said,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: I did this because I wanted to shout down men's
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: rights activists who say feminists don't do this, So that
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: feminist initiative for male victims of domestic violence. You can
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: thank us for it, Yeah, because you wouldn't have done
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: it otherwise. Every other initiative for male victims, men's rights advocates,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: men's issues advocates people who are concerned about men and
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: often get labeled by the same broadbrush that we do
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: men's rights activist, misogynists, et cetera. These every initiative that
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: I have heard of for men has been either shut
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: down by feminists, in some cases using violence, or it
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: has been blocked in terms of funding by feminists. Feminists
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: have absolutely no interest in men's issues or men's victimhood. Okay,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: they have none because it dries up their money.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Yep, okay, okay, I got a super chat from senior
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: signor stix. He says, for two dollars, Karen Allison, are
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: you questioning male feminists?
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: How dare you question your superior betters? Ladies?
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: You do you not know that they understand, they understand
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: and the world better than like any like women that
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: aren't in lockstep with feminists?
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: All right, thank you for that, Senior six.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: I haven't gotten any super childs, but I will say
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: a lot of people are watching on the vertical. I
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: don't know, Yeah, I know that vertical people Hello verticals, Hello,
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: people watching on mobile devices?
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Comment, Oh yeah, Like what is going on here?
• 43:26
  Speaker 13: Is?
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Who are these people? We had one confused comment like yesterday,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Who's like, are these people? I can't tell if they're
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: if they're they're far right misogynists or radical fem Nazis.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe we're neither, you know, maybe maybe we're
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: like a little bit of column a little bit of
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: callum b. I don't know. I think that radical feminists
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: is a little bit of a stretch, but you know,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: yeah for sure.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Well anyway, yeah, go ahead, welcome to the chat. Feel
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: free to pose whatever.
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, and also also feel free to visit some
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: websites like the Canadian Center for Men and Families and
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: see what men's rights activists actually do.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: And they don't think they would they would prefer them
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: that they are called men's rights activists, but I don't
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: think that the Canadian Center for Families would call themselves.
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: Canadian Center for Men and Families does not call itself
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: men's rights activists, but they are advocated for men, for men,
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: and for what they do is more.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Important than what they how they identify.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm just just saying like, if you know,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: if you're interested in men's rights activists, just stay tuned
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: and listen to us if you're interested in people who
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: are working on men's issues aside from like the stuff
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: that we do, which is more about the social sphere,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: more about recognition of how men's identities are being maligned
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: in the current era. But but yeah, if you want
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: to look at like shelters and we talk to them
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: regularly about their initiatives. So once again, Center for Men
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: and Families in Canada Median Center for Men and Families.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: Okay, all right, all right, let's keep going with this
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: because now Vin Diesel here is going to get involved.
• 45:08
  Speaker 14: So every day is saying that this is what a
• 45:12
  Speaker 14: man should be. The thing, men don't deal with their
• 45:15
  Speaker 14: emotions the same way women.
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: Because they're not taught to front child. You're a boy,
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: you get a truck.
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: You're a girl, you.
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: Get at all.
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: You're gonna be good at.
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: Get the army soldiers.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: Oh god, she's so obnoxious. She just talked over him.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: I know that what he wanted to say, because he
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: works with men. He's Canadian, works with men, and basically it's, well,
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: we we've talked about this before. You know, women heal
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: face to face, men heal side by side, And basically
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: he's just.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Saying, you know, this is the way men do shit.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: And frankly, everything we have set up to help people
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: is not really geared towards men's specific needs. It's it's
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: basically treating men like broken women, just like schools treat
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: boys like broken and girls.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: It's not even geared to women's needs, to be honest,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: it's geared to using women as a perpetual source of income.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: But what I was gonna say is she's assuming that
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: the default is feminine, because I don't hear her saying, well,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: women should maybe adopt men's ways of dealing with mental
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: health issues. And ye, honestly, like when you look at
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: the when you look at the studies, men actually have
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: better coping strategies. But here's the big news flash. They're
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: coping with more. Yeah, they're coping with more and you
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: can see it in the statistics around workplace death death
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: in like the military, all kinds of stuff, and also
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: domestic violence and having no fricking services for that or rape.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: So they're coping with more stuff, but they're coping is
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: actually better than women's. Yes, but the best of course
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: is people who can do both styles when it's appropriate.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: So I mean she could say, well women, maybe girls
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: need to cope the way boys do, but.
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: No, maybe put on some big boy pants and yeah,
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: maybe women.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Need to men up. No, she doesn't say that. She
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: says women are the gold standard. Men need to become
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: that that. This isn't this isn't getting rid of gender.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: This is getting rid of men.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: When they say let's get rid of gender, no they
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: mean let's just get rid of men. Yeah, but blame
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: them at the same time. So if you do get
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: rid of men, who do you blame?
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: Well, it was the men because they sucked. That's why
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: we have to get rid of them.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: So we have to keep blaming them for generation and
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: generation and generation and get take no responsibility even though
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: there are no men around.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: All right, let's play some more of the video.
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: That's why, basically, do you think you have this special
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: answer of the right way to tell them?
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think when you when you let a child,
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: when you look at having children as I'm bringing independent, thinking,
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: little huge into this world, and I want them to
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: be not whoever they are meant to be, whatever that is,
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: whether it's a male ballerina or a female NFL coach.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: I want this little person that I love so much
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: to be whatever they want to be.
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: But no one's arguing with that.
• 48:13
  Speaker 10: Okay, So here's right.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: No one is saying, no, you, how dare you?
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: Your your son is going to be a football player
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: if that kills the both of you.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Nobody's saying that, no one.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: But yeah, and again this is more blather. This is
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: more like Hallmark, like ejaculating Hallmark bullshit. No, And then
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: it's like, well, okay, when do we get to the
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: actual problem, When.
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: Do we get to the actual boukocky party?
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: All right, Well, yeah, no, get this, this is this
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: is a good answer here, so we'll play. I think
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Blue Orange said says so, But.
• 48:49
  Speaker 10: I think I agree that people should not be locked
• 48:52
  Speaker 10: into a role either way. I think that if you
• 48:55
  Speaker 10: took ten million men and ten million women and you
• 48:58
  Speaker 10: track them over ten years, you might see certain trends emerge. Now,
• 49:02
  Speaker 10: it doesn't mean you have to be this, you have
• 49:04
  Speaker 10: to be that. People should be free to be whatever
• 49:06
  Speaker 10: they want. But I do think that you would see
• 49:08
  Speaker 10: certain trends emerge now us you might see on average,
• 49:13
  Speaker 10: boys are more likely to play with g I Joe's
• 49:16
  Speaker 10: and girls are more likely to play with barbies.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: I mean it's like, it's like, is it just me
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: or does this conversation need to be elevated elevated a
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: lot more than it is.
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: How much do you want to bet this bitch in
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: the in the maroon dress right doesn't have kids? Right?
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: I would take that bet I have.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: Actually we're going to get an answer to that in
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: this video. It does come up. Should I jump ahead
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: a bit?
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: Let me say no, But I want to make a point.
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: I want to make a point. I have three kids, okay,
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: and my daughter, right, I had a son first, right,
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: and we bought him the toy cars and the legos
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: and the toy trains and all of that stuff, right,
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: and he loved that stuff and all of that. And
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: Rachel was born and she played with all of that
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: stuff too, and she was happy to play with it.
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: And she still, you know, like all the way through
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: her childhood, would still play with these kind of boy toys. Right.
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: But when she first and she was a late talker,
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: when she first learned how to talk and ask for things,
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: the first Christmas that she was able to actually ask
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: for things, presence, what did she want? Polly pocket? Polly Pocket,
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: m That's what she wanted, right, And it was like
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: I thought, she was just perfectly happy just playing with
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: all of these like bulldozers and stuff like that that
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: I had for Jack, because she loved them. She really
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: did love playing with them. But she had this other
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: side of her, and it was a side of her
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: that was interested in fashion and you know, and girls
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: doing things together and tea parties and all that stuff.
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: And she just couldn't communicate it to me because she
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: lacked the verbal skills at the time. So I'm like, yeah, no, uh,
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: you see these trends emerge in your own children, even
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: if you raise them exactly the same.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Can I just can I just point something
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: out here? I feel like the actual question has been
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: lost because the question before the core is does feminism
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: want to remove masculinity or get rid of masculinity? How
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: much of this entire panel discussion has actually dealt with
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: that question, because it feels like we've gone into these
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: two women blathering about something else that had nothing to
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: do with the question. Blue Orange brought it back to
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: the question, or is this a different question?
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Now, it's still the same, it's the same statement.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: So we're going nowhere on this question.
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, the feminists don't want to answer questions. So
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: the two male feminists they basically said, well if you well,
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: let let me let me no. I think what they're
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: the two male feminists. They said that if you think
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: changing masculinity be more healthy and good as opposed to
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: the evil, evil masculinity that I guess is the normal masculinity,
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: then yes, they're trying to well they're not trying to
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: remove it, they're trying to change it and make it better.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: So that's what the male feminist said. So they did
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: have an answer. Their answer was we're trying to make
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: it better. We were like, it's bad masculinity, now we
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: can make it good. The new man, the new social man,
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: that's what they want to make And this guy, you know,
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: Bizarro Brendio or whatever the plant, he's saying, well, there
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: is no such thing as masculinity. And the Balvin Diesel
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: guy basically said that, you know, here are the positive
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: things about masculinity. Essentially says, you know, protector provider, you
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: have courage, you have faith, et cetera. I skipped over
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: that because I know people are gonna get mad at
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: the trad con argument, but that is his argument, and
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: I think blue orange based. He said, look, you know,
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: men and women are different. Things are just gonna So
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: they all had answers. It's just the feminist didn't like
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: those answers.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: But what did the feminists did? The feminists say.
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: No, they said they are not trying to remove it,
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: they're trying to make it better.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: It's broken, we want to fix it.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but wouldn't that be removing traditional masculinity and replacing
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: it with whatever they think?
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: And then they go on and they say, well, there
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: is no gender, But of course she uses women and
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: girls as the baseline, so she recognizes that women and
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: girls and the way that they do things are valid
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: and that men and boys should do that that way. So,
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: in essence, the woman in the red has answered the question,
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: and the answer to the question of whether or not
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: feminism wants to remove masculinity is yes, Yeah.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: They do.
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: Obviously, they want to read it, they want to recreate it,
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: they want to burn it down and then build something
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: new from the ashes.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Yesterday I said, are we going to are these are
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: these feminists going to be an object lesson? Are they
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Are they going to answer the question or are they
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: going to be an object lesson of the truth of
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: the assertion? So are they going to answer the question
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: does feminism want to remove masculinity? Or are they going
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: to demonstrate that it does? Essentially? And they demonstrated it.
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I got a super child from Richard Berre for
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: five bucks. He says, wouldn't you rather be responding to
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: something from Manifestel?
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Richard, No, it actually.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Has I don't know. A Manifestelle is terrifying.
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: You don't want to know, Karen, Karen, It's it's a
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: vacuous abyss. But this is actually at least there's something
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: here that we can chew on and talk about.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: As with an alarming amount of influence.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it does.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: Have an alarming but Julie is coming out.
• 55:04
  Speaker 5: Is still the twitch streamer that you're talking about that
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: spends ninety of the time responding to.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, just as bad though in her own way.
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: She's but like that, Yeah, those are law from the
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: female dating strategy read it or whatever.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: So the female strategy read it?
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: Right? Oh you mean, uh, female catches you.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actually not even that cute. It's they're they're
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: horrifying lizards. Okay, let's let's let's keep going.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: All right, let's keep going. So this guy, okay, let's
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: just play from here.
• 55:46
  Speaker 11: It's not a real concept. Feminine is not a real
• 55:48
  Speaker 11: concepts men's rights activists. But that's just the same side
• 55:53
  Speaker 11: of the same side, the same side of feminism. I
• 55:57
  Speaker 11: believe in destroying the patriarchy.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: I believe Wait wait, he's men's rights activists. He just
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: doesn't believe in men.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he doesn't believe in men. He wants to destroy
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: the patriarchy. He's totally like us. Like he's that this
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: isn't like a weird bizarro thing at all, Like he's
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: you know, me am, men's rights activist, me am destroyed patriarchy.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know what I would have done, so,
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: which I would, Well, if you.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: Would have been on there, they would have gotten rid
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: of blue orange.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: It would have been you. It would have been because
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: like yeah, because I.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: Can just I don't know if I would have been
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: able to do anything.
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: I would have told him, I would have said, on
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: the show, you should go sit with them, because obviously
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: you're not.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: You don't, you're not on this side.
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: Like I think I might have.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: I think at this point I might have said to him,
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: you're a men's rights activist, but you don't believe men exist.
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: Right, Well, I just want to abolish everything, Like I mean,
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: like when you look when you you say you want
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: to abolish the concept of gender, doesn't that mean you
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: just want to abolish like everything that it is that
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: makes us human? Like what's left after that? Like, that's
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: that's where we start. That's Adam and Eve. That's the
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: beginning whatever you want to call it, right, the genesis
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: of human life?
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: Right, And you want to say, well, that's that's not real.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: Well then there's.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: Nothing, like, like, there's nothing else. You've just eliminated everything.
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: I can just be like, well, yeah, race isn't real,
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: you know, Ancestry isn't real, Parenthood isn't real, money isn't real.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: Food's not real. None of this is real. Let's just
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: photosynthesize each other, spread pollen everywhere and not even talk.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: What is lang? What even is language? What is talking
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: to people? What is that?
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: That's seems like a waste of time to me, Like,
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sorry, but this guy's gonna off. He's
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: gonna off himself in ten years if he doesn't get
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: his ship straight, because he's going to become a super nihilist.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: So I see it. I guarantee it.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: Please get your straight, guy, Yeah, don't do that because
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: avoiding reality.
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: Stop avoiding reality. You can't talk things out of existence
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: to deal with it. Okay, So anyway, this guy applauds
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: that which is extra sad like the.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: Who is more foolish, the fool, the fool who follows huh?
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: So quiet, Well, you.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: Don't want to trigger anybody, I mean, like he's what
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: he should be doing is snapping his fingers and we
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: all know that, right, So now, okay, anyway.
• 58:23
  Speaker 11: Under, I agree with everything you're saying because the ideas
• 58:26
  Speaker 11: that you guys are talking about with how men are emasculated,
• 58:30
  Speaker 11: not allowed to cry, or people think their emotions aren't valid,
• 58:34
  Speaker 11: I agree with all that. That's not women's fault, and
• 58:37
  Speaker 11: those aren't even like masculine.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: I wonder what it's. It's not women's fault.
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: It's the non gender specific group that isn't women, that's
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: their fault, right, because I don't believe in yender, but
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: I believe in women, but I don't believe in gender.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: I'm not expressing the true fundamental women, which is that
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: men take responsibility for stuff and women don't. And I
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: expect men to take responsibility for stuff. Like seriously, he's saying,
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: I don't believe in gender, but definitely men should take
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: responsibility for gender, Like okay, all right, well.
• 59:21
  Speaker 5: Well, and the whole stupid thing about like oh you know,
• 59:24
  Speaker 5: and if they just like learned how to cry, and
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: it's like, okay, how about this, how about we just
• 59:31
  Speaker 5: give them less to cry about nor and leave them
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: alone to deal with don't care ship the way their
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: emotions are the way that they want.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: No, we can't do that, because that would be recognizing
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: that men can have external forces acting on them, like
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: that things can happen to men, and that is not that.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: That is not the case. Things can't happen to men
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: because everything that happens, Yeah, everything that happens to him
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: man is something that he chose to have happened or
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: chose to become a victim of. There is nothing outside
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: of the agency of men. And also, I completely don't
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: I completely disagree with gender. Gender doesn't exist.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, technically gender doesn't exist. Sex does. But
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: but well.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: I know what he's like, You make something up, and
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: then you make up a thing that counters the thing
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: that you made up, and then you say you won
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: because you came up with the best thing that you
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: made up that counters the other ship that it was
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: already made up. Like gender is John money and and
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: and Kinsey, and it's it's.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: It's not men and women.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: But but they use the words interchangeably so that they
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: can essentially erase the identities of.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: Men and women as well, which is what they are doing.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, I get what you're saying. I totally get.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: At the same time, and.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: Then they destroy that concept.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 5: If you're a biological female but you identify more with
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 5: the masculine, it's time to lop your tits off and.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: Some testosterone pills.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: But like which again of the concept doesn't make sense again,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: because in order to believe in trans people, then you
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: have to believe in the idea of a binary, of
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: a binary so that you can go from one to
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: the other based on sex exactly. And I would have
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: confronted him on that. I would like it, So do
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: you So do you not believe trans people exist? And
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: because like in order you know, again, like just using
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: their own tools against them.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. But anyway, Oh, somebody.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: In the chat has said, I don't know what side
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: you guys are on, and I've listened for ten minutes. Okay,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: we're on the side of common sense, right that.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: Common sense?
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're just on the side of common sense. Someone
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: says something that doesn't make any goddamn sense. We say,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: that doesn't make any goddamn sense, and also you're an idiot.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: That's what we do.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he says, Okay, I think I'm with you. Well,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: thank you. Jonathan Latman and appreciate your look.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: The thing is overall, I'm on the side of the
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: men's rights side of this conversation. I think we all are.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: But this plant is not helping at all. And you know,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: I mean that's really it. I haven't really had criticisms
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: of of you know, Montreal Vin Diesel or Blue Orange
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: or Pearl.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, actually Pearl.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: I praise because she's at least like saying, you guys
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: are like, none of this makes sense, what are we doing?
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: And I appreciate that.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: But the feminists are basically like a lost cause, like
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: they're just there's just no hope.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: Well there's no there's no nothing there. They're just blathering
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: like there's just just empty noise coming out of their
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: their whole Facebook sounds.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: It sounds like empty noise because you've heard it all before.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah right, this is new to you if you haven't
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: heard it before, Okay, let's play it. Let's play this.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 11: Just ideas that were just fed to us by the patriarchy,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 11: and we need to destroy it.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 15: The men's rights after this.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 11: Only because I feel like this side understand he has
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 11: a lot of bad actors and grifters.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: But they have a lot of bad actors and grifters, guys.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: That's that's why he's joined. He's trying to balance the
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: beam with his gender abolition.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: Of men's to grift. They're like the most difficult, popular,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: unpopular and difficult thing to sell. And we know that
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: from confessions of Oxfam and uh even feminist organizations that
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: have said, you know, when you bring in male victims,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: the funds dry up. So this is a very difficult
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: thing to sell. Is the idea that we should care about.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: You can't, you can't grift on an unpopular position. If
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: we wanted a grift, we'd all make feminist content.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 5: You've got you've got like a huge number of male
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: rape victims in in the congo, right, huge huge number,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 5: and you know a large number of female victims as well,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 5: and some of the female victims are victims of women,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 5: and also some of the male victims and often the
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 5: male victims, like there's fewer male victims because most of
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 5: the time they rape them and then they cut their
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 5: junk off, stuff it in their mouth and throw them
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 5: down a well, so they don't actually survive the experiences
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 5: often as women do. But but you you have organizations
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 5: like OXFAM saying if if you allocate more than twenty
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 5: percent of the funds to these NGOs on the ground,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: if you allocate more than twenty percent, actually think it
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 5: was it was twenty percent way back when. All right,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 5: yeah it's worse to male victims, then we're not funding
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 5: your organization anymore. Right, So when a man goes in
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 5: with a perforated anus, right, like a perforated rectum, and
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 5: you know, like he's he's had sharp instruments inserted in him,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 5: he's feically incontinent, he's bleeding out his butthole and all
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 5: of this, and he goes into the doctor and what
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 5: does the doctor do? Gives him U T three and
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 5: prozac and sends him away because y's the best he
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 5: can do.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: Because they can't treat male victims of rape in the
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: congo because if they treat too many, they lose their funding.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: This is what men's issues advocates are up against. So
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: the idea that were gris that we're grifting for no, No,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: absolutely not. In fact, one of the disturbing things about
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: the at so called advocacy for women is one one
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: day I just looked at the numbers and I saw
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: the absolute state of money slicing through these organizations and
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: ending up in the pockets of the board members and
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: the CEO, and it was just unbelievable. So you'd see
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: like a million dollar total like a budget for an
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: organization and the services were something like maybe fifty thousand
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: for a year, and it was it was insane. And
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I think.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, feminist orders get CIA money and fucking yeah,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: but government funds all the time.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, No, but they're they're they're actually making them so rish.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: Victims to make money. If you actually look at the
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: proportion of people who care genuinely care for men and
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: the issues that men face, I think men may actually
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: have more people that genuinely care about them in this
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: sphere than women do.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: In the advocacy feary, and.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: The advocacy is fear because it's it's crowded on the
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: women's side with people who just want to rake in
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: this luicive money.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and there is no money to be made. I mean,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 5: like I think, I think my best my best month
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 5: when my YouTube channel was at its peak and I
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 5: had three hundred and some thousand subscribers and it was
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 5: fully the atiz. Yeah, really monetized and I had just
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 5: put out like, I think three videos that month and
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 5: they got a lot of views. And that month I
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 5: brought in like twenty five hundred dollars.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was AD revenue. Like we don't get
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: any We get ten bucks a month. We are able
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: to keep going because of support from people who are
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: interested in this stuff and want some you know, they
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: want to know that they're not insane. But I mean,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: but it's not something that you're gonna it's not something
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: that you can like. For example, there's one feminist NGO
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: that does this and she does I think a seminar
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: once a month and does referrals and she has us
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: three quarters of a million dollars or something or half
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: a million dollars in terms of total budget for that.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: And it's insane what they're getting away with. And you know,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: the people want to help women.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 5: Sitting yeah, sitting on the board of like the the
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 5: senior board member or director of a women's shelter in Canada,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 5: domestic violence shelter in Alberta. Rather is her salary, Like
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 5: what she pulls in is two hundred and fifty thousand
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 5: dollars a month to just be the director, be like
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 5: kind of the top tier manager who you know, directs
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 5: the lower tier management staff in what they need to do.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 5: And so she's like she's got a cushy job. Being
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 5: on a board of directors is not a difficult thing.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 5: That's why so many of the Golden Skirts managed to
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: sit on like seven or eight boards of directors at
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 5: one time, because it doesn't occupy a whole lot of
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 5: your time, right, But it's like two hundred and fifty
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 5: thousand dollars a year this these women are making. And
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 5: uh and yet like you got c CFM and their
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 5: men's shelters and they're having to like beg for donations
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 5: to just buy like crib mattresses and you know, disposable
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 5: diapers and give it for the men and kids who
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 5: come into.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: Their user is really devoted to this work. Yeah, he's
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: not doing it because he's getting a huge amount of money.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: He can he can he can live, just like you know,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: me and Brian can live. But none of us are
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: getting like a huge amount of money from any of this.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 5: And I don't I don't really get any money from this, uh,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: like to speak of I'm only able to do this
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 5: because my husband makes good money.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: Now right, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is like let's keep going.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I got some I got a super chow and
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: a super chat I want to read, and then we'll
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: keep going. So uh hoo ow, I hope I'm pronouncing
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: that right. Thank you, says for five dollars. Patriarchy, female oppression.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: Of all all the things that have never happened, this
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: has never happened the most, Thank you, and then Senior
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: Stix gives us two dollars and says, this is a
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: super chat that plant might be a trans man because
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: sounds sounds suss. Yeah, you know what I thought about that,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: I was like, what if this is a transman because
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: they do tend to look like that, that kind of
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: body type.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but you know it sounds me but.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 5: I get before you transition and.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah it's I don't know. I wouldn't. I wouldn't
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: for me. It doesn't really matter anyway, but it would.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: It would strengthen the argument further that, like you know,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: transitioning or being trans is affirming the binary right.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so anyway are too broad though.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's probably just like a schlubby dude. All right,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: so let's listen to.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 11: More there aren't a lot of people on this side
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 11: who thoroughly aligned themselves with feminists. I have a lot
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 11: of friends who are feminists. I align myself with most
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 11: trans feminist.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: I mean it's like, Okay, I have friends that are feminists,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: therefore I have to be a feminist.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: Like, well, what if your friends are.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 5: Well, no, if you have friends who are feminists and
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 5: you don't want to lose them, you're definitely going to
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: align with them, right, Yes, yeah, because you know, like
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 5: my husband when he was living in some freaking co
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 5: op with a bunch of hippie chicks when he was
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 5: in UNI University, he had just been he just read
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 5: the Myth of Male Power, and he was he sat
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 5: down with one of them and he was like, you know, like,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 5: what do you think, like that, does this patriarchy thing
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 5: actually really exist the way we think it does? And
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 5: you know, and you know, there's a lot of problems
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 5: men have and she just basically cut them off right
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 5: then and there and said, if you can't accept the
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 5: existence of the patriarchy, then we can't have a conversation. Ever.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And here's here is the one like the one
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: fatal problem with patriarchy throughout all of human history and
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: around the world. If men are responsible for assigning the
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: roles between men and women, why did men hating women
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: assign themselves the role in which they die the harshest
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: us they die four to five times more like, why
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: either men don't have control over that, or they do
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: have control over that and they are choosing to sacrifice
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: themselves instead of women. And also the biggest, the best
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: argument against patriarchy conjectures.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 5: Of patriarchy, you have to call it the patriarchy, because
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 5: patriarchy is actually a system that at the end, the.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: Biggest argument against patriarchy conjecture, I'm gonna call it patriarchy
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: conjecture is that it has never been proven. In fact,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: it hasn't even gone through the first step of being
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: proven true or false, which is to frame the conjecture
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: in a way that can be proven true or false.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you actually have to. You have to create
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 5: a hypothesis and then a method for for falsifying it
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 5: and or proving it. And yeah, no, that's never been done.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 5: It's it's all just observational, cherry picked observational data that
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 5: a bunch of freaking lunatic women and some of those
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 5: women in the early days of women's studies back in
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 5: like the nineteen late late nineteen seventies, early eighties, Sally Miller,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 5: Gayer Harten and Mary Daily and whoever, right, Andrea Dwarkin
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 5: and all of those people. Right, you look at some
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 5: of the shit that comes out of their mouth, and
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 5: it's just like it's it's it's like it's it's as
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 5: if they picked these women out of the you know,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 5: rooms in a mental asylum, right and handed them a
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: fake PhD and said do something with it. You know,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 5: like their ideas were so insane, you know, but they
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 5: were edgy, you know, edgy and tool and they and
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 5: they they really ramp people up, and they got the
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 5: donations pouring in and ring fenced all the funding and
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 5: yeah no, and it's it's just like, yeah, no, Like
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 5: there's no proof for the delute model of domestic violence.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 5: There's no proof for rape or yeah, yeah, for coerced
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 5: sex to be a gender directionally gendered. There's no proof
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 5: for any of that. There's plenty of disconfirming evidence. There's
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 5: been disconfirming evidence all along. They just chose not to
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 5: look at it, right, and and they just cherry picked
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 5: from history certain things, and it was all about power.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 5: And you know, anyone who tells me that feminism isn't
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 5: about power and isn't about money, they can go blow
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 5: it out their butthole. Because the first suffragettes were upper
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 5: class women who were saying, why can't I have a
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 5: prestigious career like my father right as a barrister or
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 5: as a politician. They weren't saying, why can't I work
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 5: in a coal mine like my husband?
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, Okay, Let's let's try to get a bit
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: more done. Hopefully not more blather, but I'm guessing that
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be more blather.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: All right, let's keep going. You're just gonna have to
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: endure the blather, Allison.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: It's like, what if we're gonna respond to videos, They're
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: gonna be at this, They're gonna be operating at this level.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: This is the level we're at right now, and this
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: is where it's been for decades, and that's just what
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: it is.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: So unless we get a debate, like there's a reason.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: Why Camille Polia is not on this panel debating this,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: there's a reason why you're not seeing like you know,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: like Pearl is on here I'm not even trying to
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: like what do you call it, shoot the fade with
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: Pearl or anything, but like she's there because she's a
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: popular influencer, not because she's an intellectual powerhouse that's gonna
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: like deliver the goods. You're not going to see a
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: Janis Fiamngo on these panels, you know, because she would
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: destroy everyone every They wouldn't even be ready. It would
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: be like, you know, going into a a like a
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: fucking call of duty lobby with like some twelve year
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: old Korean kid, you just be he would like one
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: v everybody at once, just destroy everybody, right. So that so, yeah,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: you could have been on this, maybe you'll have another opportunity.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is this is the level that
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: we're operating at because this is like and this is
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: you know, getting millions and millions of views. Uh So
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: I think that it's important that we try to elevate
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: this turd to some degree.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 11: So the reason why I'm mostly on this side is
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 11: honestly just because I can sympathize with the plight of
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 11: most men not feeling valid and not feeling heard, and
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 11: I think that should be talked about the problem is
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 11: is the people who are leading that conversation tend to
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 11: be folks who are still rooted in the content of gender.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, but yes, because they're men's advocate. Men, you sort
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: of have to recognize what you're advocating for before you
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: could advocate for it. Like what I don't believe in.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: I don't believe men exist, but I'm a men's rights advocate. Okay.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: Can His entire presence on this panel is he's like
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: the essence of blather into a human shape.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: Yep, it's a gray blob, but yes, a gray blobby
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: shape that's vaguely humanoid.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: He's like the thing from beyond.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: And it's not an insult. That's the way he wants
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: to be perceived.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: Oh I know, I'm not insulting him.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I said, if if jender means nothing, then
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: his words mean nothing too. And so he's like, I
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: got to lean into that. So I'm gonna say a
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: bunch of shit that doesn't mean anything and then pretend
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: like I made an argument and you all should do
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: it with me.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: We should all do this together. We should all say nothing,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: be all about the nonsense.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: This is this is the culture of blather. It's not
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: even woke or social justice. It's just it's just it's
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: just tea toms and blather.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's let's keep going.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 16: And when you think about it, feminists and men's right
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 16: activists could work together.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 17: Agree, Yeah, fucking rich, it's been forty fucking years.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 5: Oh well, we're willing to work together. No years, a
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 5: vilification of millierization, of demonization, of slander.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 13: Of violent attacks, calling the guy calling the guy who
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 13: actually identified that some mostly women, some parents, mostly mothers,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 13: alienate their child from the other parent.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 5: Okay, and it goes both ways because some men do
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 5: it too, right, And we've been screaming into the fucking
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 5: wind for forty years with them feminist boot on our necks, right,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 5: and now, oh well, now we'll be nice. Now we're
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 5: willing to listen. Yeah. No, this is like when me
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 5: and my sisters were fighting in the backseat of the car.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 5: We were on like a single lane highway, right, and
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 5: and my dad had just passed like twenty fucking winnebagos.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 5: We're on a road trip, right, and we're we're fucking
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 5: with each other in the back seat. We're like like
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 5: just annoying each other and he's just getting madder and madder,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 5: and Mom's telling us to stop it, stop and stop
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 5: and stop it. And then he finally fucking pulls over
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 5: right and we're like, oh, we'll be good now.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 5: He's like, you see all those you see, all those
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 5: those are all the winter bagos. I'm gonna have to
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 5: pass again on this windy, curvy mountain road. So you
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 5: know what, you're all gonna fucking get it?
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: Hmm yeah, And uh I don't believe it.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 13: Yeah, No, I.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 5: Don't believe it either, because we wouldn't. If we hadn't
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 5: got it, we would have been backed to it five
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 5: minutes after he start accordon if.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: We If feminists genuinely wanted to worry, you don't even
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: have to work with us.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 5: Just get out and leave us alone.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: Stop getting in our way. We don't need your help,
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: we need your indifference. Just go and say, oh feminism
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: isn't for men. Good, go go away, leave us alone.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, we don't need your help.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: Look at Allison, Feminists, feminists, and men's rights activists can
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: totally work together. The only the only thing holding us
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: back is that men's rights activists aren't doing everything feminists say,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: and if you just let them take charge and basically
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: control everything, then you know, we'll we'll figure out, you
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: know how we can make this. Yeah, maybe in another
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: hundred years.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: Right, every single possible woman. When we framed every issue
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: any person can have in terms of how women are
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: harmed by it will eventually help men.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: Maybe, Yeah, we'll get to it.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: Just sit back, and we gotta take care of women first.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: We're not done with that.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 5: Once there's no longer a single fucking girl right in
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 5: the hills of fucking Nepal whose genitals were mutilated, right, Okay,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 5: Once that no longer happens anywhere in the world, anywhere
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 5: in the world. Okay, then we can get to circumcision
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 5: of men.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of boys, Okay, all right, this is bullshit, and
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: it's bullshit because feminism isn't an advocacy group. It's a
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: sales pitch. It's a sales pitch for people to save women,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: and it's an effective sales pitch. And this isn't their fault.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: It's the fault of everyone else because we want to
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: save women. Saving women motivates people because we have this
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: sort of genetic memory that women and their situation needs
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: to be improved and protected so we can have children
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: as a society, so we can perpetuate ourselves. So selling
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: the idea that women are in trouble and need to
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: be saved is a great sales pitch, and that's what
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: feminism is. They're never going to deal with men's issues
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: because men's issues don't sell, right, It's as simple as that.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: And again it's not their fault that the human race
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: is wired this way. But they're also not helping.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, they're certainly not helping by saying gender is
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 5: like just entirely socially constructed, and all of it is
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 5: socially constructed, including the expectations placed on the different the
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 5: two genders, and you know, all of the expectations placed
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 5: on men are socially constructed, and they're taught from childhood. No,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 5: they're not. They're inborn, they're innate. Right. You can tell
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 5: newborn babies like they respond differently to a woman's voice
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 5: than to a man's voice, right, And that's just because
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 5: they're programmed to do that. And by the time they're
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 5: three months old, they can determine they can differentiate men
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 5: from women by looking at faces, right, three months old. Okay,
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 5: that is not social conditioning. They know the difference between
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 5: men and women. They don't know what they are, right,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 5: and they don't know what a man is and a
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 5: woman is. They just know that they're different, right, and
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 5: that you you might be a little bit more leary,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 5: a little bit more shy about around men than you
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 5: are around women, right, And that's how they react, right.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 5: And so it's like you have this situituation where it's
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 5: so innate, it's so wired into us, right that we
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 5: feel so much more sympathy and concern and protectiveness and
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 5: an impulse to not do harm right to women because
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 5: they're women, right, And they evolved to look the way
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 5: they do to facilitate that because they look more like
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 5: children than men do. They do, they look more like
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 5: children than men do. And the reason for that is
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 5: because children tug at our heartstrings. They make us want
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 5: to provision them, They make us want to protect them,
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 5: They make us want to soothe them when they're hurt,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 5: They make us want to save them, rescue them from danger.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 5: They make us wanna, you know, look after their needs
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 5: and all of that, right, and be nice to them
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 5: and not harm them. And that is baby's superpower, that
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 5: is children's superpower, and women carry more of that into
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 5: adulthood than men do just by looking at them. And
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 5: men are the Okay, so you have women they need
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 5: we need to be protected and provided for. Children need
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 5: to be protected and provided for. Who's left, Yeah, who's
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 5: jobbing that?
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: And we need to recognize this fact that we are
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: all working against an inherent bias and that we just
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: recognizing that it exists is a huge step forward. This
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: is why I don't believe any of these people are
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: doing anything about actually changing gender, because they operate within
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: the paradigm, within this paradigm that women are more vulnerable,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: they need more protection, that women's emotional state should define
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: men's actions. They operate in that paradigm. They haven't exited
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: that paradigm. All they've done is included a bunch of
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: not men categories in the category of women. Yeah, all right,
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: let's keep going.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I got a super child from Richard Beer.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: He gives us five dollars and says, have you seen
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: that Jubilee video where it was twenty six up against
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: Ben Shapiro? Yet, No, no, it's not it's not really relevant.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: I saw some of it.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: But but I don't.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: In my opinion, it's not really relevant. Ben Shapiro supports circumcisions,
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: so that's all.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: I got to say to that.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: Of course he does, I know, I know, but yeah,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: let's let's uh get I think, let me see. So, Yeah,
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: feminists can work with m rash Yeah, totally.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: Like you guys are completely separated from you. Yeah, we
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: don't need you. We just want you out of the way.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: We don't. You don't even have to like, you know,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: just go do your own thing. Bye.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 9: Yeah, all right, you were the like for instance, like
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 9: she said earlier, Oh, it's because women are going into
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 9: these useless majors. Like I'm a lawyer. Half of our
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 9: profession is women. Half of the medical profession doctors are women. Right,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 9: this idea that men have to be the provider, you
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 9: went half of yous household.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: Now she's basically saying women have jobs. I'm a lawyer.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: This is about me somehow.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: She No, She's like, she's like the Bruce Wayne of
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: Hoes Allison. She's a lawyer during the day and she's
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: a salute at night. You see, and this makes her
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: a more complete woman. She come on now, she's like
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: the shadow.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 5: Like, okay, women, women are okay, women are increasingly doctors, lawyers,
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 5: veterinarian veterinarians, nurses, like people who can get good jobs,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 5: well paying jobs, right okay, And but that is not
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 5: like well paying jobs okay, engineering, physics, uh, you know,
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 5: like PLC programming right, front end development, right, full stack
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 5: program right, those kinds of jobs, right, they can pay
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 5: very very well. And also there is a premium on
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 5: doing difficult jobs. Like my husband works for a utility.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 5: There's guys at his work who like go out in
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 5: the trucks and they you know, do the outdoor work
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 5: of you know that, and it's highly skilled outdoor work.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 5: They didn't go to school for it, right, they trained
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 5: on the job, and you know, they're rewiring power lines
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 5: and they're you know something, debris out of clogged storm
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 5: drains and doing all of that kind of stuff, right,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 5: and that kind of inconvenient work, which you know, you
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 5: might have to be doing that in the pitch dark
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 5: at three am, right during a blackout. That comes at
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 5: a cost, right, And women aren't doing that right, And
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 5: women are overwhelmingly the the ones with the useless degrees
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 5: when men go to university. My husband's an exception because
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 5: he has a Bachelor of Arts in English and philosophy
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 5: before he got his engineering degree. But yeah, no, like
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 5: I think a lot of women. My sister she wanted
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 5: a job in government, and so she took a bachelor
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 5: program in home economics. Like why do you need to
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 5: go to university to know how to cook, clean and
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 5: run a household? Right? Like balance a checkbook? And how
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 5: is that a four year program? Right? And what does
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 5: that prepare you for? Oh, a job in the government.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 13: Right?
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 5: Because they only they don't care what the degree you
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 5: have is. They just demand that you have one. Right.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 5: So she took the easiest one she could think of,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 5: one that she enjoyed. She enjoys cooking and sewing and
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 5: things like that, right, And so she took that. And
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 5: then there was a hiring freeze because Ralph Klein became
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 5: premier in Alberta and and he was like, no, we're
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 5: going to go full austerity to clean up this mess.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: I think, Brian, your your air conditioning might.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: Be going on against okay.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, but but yeah no, and and they they
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 5: they basically said, we're not We're doing attrition. We're retiring
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 5: people early and and we're not hiring anybody new, and
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 5: we're downsizing the government. And that led to like a
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 5: huge economic boom. But but she never forgave him for
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 5: that because she didn't get her plumb job that she
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 5: wanted m working at a basically unskilled job at the
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 5: unemployment insurance office or something.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: And also I would like to point out that this
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: this individual, I hope she didn't get any like government
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: money to do her lawyer degree or or any bursaries
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: or anything, because she's not using it. She's doing oldie fans. Okay,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: let's uh, let us let's mark I jumped ahead.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: To the next topic. Uh. Yeah, So the men should
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: go to therapy.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: They shouldn't, but let's see what they Let's see what
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: they say. So we're gonna go ahuad and play it
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: from there.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: Here we go, ohe to therapy.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 15: Agreers step forward.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: And then should go to therapy if it's primary for yeah,
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: right right, So Bloor stepped up.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 5: We should go.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we should listen to Yeah.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 10: So I would be very conscious when it comes to
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 10: I'm not against it per se, but it's just I
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 10: think there's a lot of things that are not completely sound.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 10: But I'm not against the idea of men going to therapy.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 10: If you find a good therapist and that helps you.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, good therapy.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 16: Not like I think what you're talking there is some
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 16: people that weaponize therapy talk that basically try to cycle
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 16: analyze people and use false, like stereotypes about them. But
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 16: good honest therapy. I feel like men, women, everybody could
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 16: benefit from that. And I feel like, as Men's Right advocates,
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 16: you guys should be stribing for men, you know, taking
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 16: their mental health more.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 15: Serious that it benefited you.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 16: If you know, I used to take therapy back in
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 16: high school due to like you know, uncertainty about the
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 16: future and my academics and stuff like that.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm just pausitive for the banana. I want to
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: make sure nothing happens. So we're gonna keep going. But
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: have you seen this, The algorithm likes us, Alison. We
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: were at three hundred and something people on the vertical stream,
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: we're at like two hundred and fifty. So hey, everyone
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: that's watching if you if you go to the channel,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: you can watch it horizontally, so there's a little bit
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 3: more going on there if you want to watch it
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: that way.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: But yeah, welcome to the stream. Okay, so I'm gonna
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: hit play and it did me good.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 16: And I feel like a lot of people just need
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 16: someone to talk to.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: I win.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 16: Therapist is you know, that's what they're made for.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 13: You know.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 11: Well, I will say personally, I do think therapy is important,
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 11: but I do have a problem with how it seems
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 11: like the end all, be all solution to men. Like
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 11: to me, America is such an isolationist country that even
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 11: our forms of healing, our isolationists like go out somewhere,
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 11: come back healed. Yeah, the solution is always therapy and pills.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 11: It's never community or compassionate. And I think that should
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 11: be like to me, everybody, I know. I've done therapy
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 11: personally for a couple.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, shut up making.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: A bad point. It's not making a bad point, but
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: the community, the community to heal men, the community has
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: to take responsibility for what it's doing to.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 5: Men, or at least stop.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 5: They don't even need to admit what they've been doing,
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 5: they just need to stop.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, exactly, like I think what we need is community.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: And it's like, yeah, but whenever men try to form
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: spaces like women come and break it up.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 5: So yeah, and it's just like, yeah, no, I don't
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 5: even think at this point men absolutely like I don't
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 5: think they require an apology or atonement or anything like that. Well, some,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 5: I know, I know some want it, but you know,
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 5: I think I think they'd be willing to live with
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 5: just being not constantly undermined and and and blocked and
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 5: and vilified. And let's look at.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: That what that one woman said about about coping strategies
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: and how men have to adopt women's ways of coping.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, crying, crying and.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: And all of this other stuff, complaining.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 5: About her snags sweaters because she's got a nail sticking
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 5: out of her forehead.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if a therapist is essentially coming with a male
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: client from the premise that he has to fit or
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: he or she has to fix the male client or
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: the man, is that healthy?
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Like it's it's it's.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: It's like it's like a conversion therapy except for men.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah. No, it's it's basically like, why can't you just
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 5: be more like a woman? And like, this is why
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 5: I would a second blue Oranges opinion that you know,
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 5: like men have to be careful, they really have to
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 5: vet their therapist, because if they don't, you're gonna get
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 5: the whole toxic masculinity narrative. You're going to be told
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 5: that you're your own personal way of dealing with things,
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 5: and often it's it's more effective, is not right? And
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 5: what you should really do is just cry and complain
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 5: and other people will take you seriously when you do that,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 5: because that's how it is for women. When you cry
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 5: and complain, people take you seriously. They don't like cross
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 5: the street to avoid you.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 5: Is Tom Golden's presentation at ICMI twenty fourteen was beautiful.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 5: It was absolutely beautiful. And if anybody wants to learn
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 5: more about men and these issues and all of this
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 5: anybody knew listening, go watch that. Just search ICMI fourteen
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 5: and then the name Tom Golden and you should be
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 5: able to find it on YouTube. And it was just
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 5: absolutely brilliant, a brilliant way of describing the difference in
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 5: how men heal. And he actually wrote a book called
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 5: How Men Heal?
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 3: So yeah, okay, let's play some more. But yeah, I
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: mean I ultimately an oh go ahead, Alison.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: Well, I was going to say, if you're going to
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: a therapist, that starts from the premise that you need
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: to be torn down and rebuilt. Then you're going to
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: the wrong therapist. And too much modern mental health theory
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: or conjecture starts with the premise that treating men is
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: a problem that need to be fixed, rather than having
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: problems that they need assistance with in overcoming themselves. You know,
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: they start from that premise, and that premise is damaging. Right,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: you shouldn't go to a doctor who says you are
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: the problem that needs to be fixed. You don't have
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: a sickness, you are the sickness. And you can see
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: that in the American Psychology Associations Guidelines on Treating in
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: Men and Boys. Men need to be taken down, they
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: need to be changed. They're coping strategs need to be
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: rewired to be to resemble women's. And they also need
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: to recognize that they are the problem. Their masculinity is
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: a problem, not just for them but everybody else in
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: their life. Yeap, and that is not healing.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, No, you're not just sick, you're contagious. Yeah.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: Sorry, go ahead, Brian, I was just gonna read I
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 3: think I have a super chat or something, or I
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: was gonna put Yeah, Richard Bierre gives us a five
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: dollars super chow and says, Karen, just look at all
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: of the accomplishments that Forrest Gump had with his degree
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: in home economics.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Totally relevant. Okay, we're gonna play more of
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: this act.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: I want to pull something out. I see something in
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: the in the vertical chat, this guy called realist in
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: the room, which I do think he is. When you
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: portray men in a certain way, you also portray women
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: in a certain way. And I don't like the way
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: I'm portrayed as a woman by feminism or feminists. I
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: don't like the I don't like the fact that our
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: overwhelming narrative about how men and women relate is one
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: in which men oppress women. I don't think it's I
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: know it's not true. It's never been proven. It is
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: treated like it is absolutely the truth, and it's not.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: It's a lie. So not only do I not like
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: being portrayed as a victim, I don't like being lied to.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: And I don't even have to appeal to talking for men.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: I can talk for myself as a woman. This is crap.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: Stop it all right, let's keep going.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, so anyway, my opinion on this is that, yeah,
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 3: unless therapy itself changes, I don't think men should go
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: to it. And I think that men generally do better
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: like with each other. So you know, I'm more for
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: men having their own, like, you know, places they can
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: hang out and throw it up. I think that that
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: is a way more healthier way to heal than going
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: to some shrink that's going to basically try to change you,
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: you know, get you to transition or something so that
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 3: you can like heal from your toxic masculine.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: I think soft transition essentially is what the American Psychology
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: Association is, So you don't actually transition to being a woman,
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: you just transition to identifying women as superior.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah okay, but but yeah, no, like men, men would
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 5: probably be better off getting together and going fishing or
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 5: camping or getting out in nature with one another, you know,
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 5: like those kinds of things. I think that that's actually
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 5: and that's something that we've really lost in a lot
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 5: of respects because you know, like the when you actually
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 5: the scene in Crocodile Dundee where she's taking pictures of
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 5: you know, the men doing their thing at their ceremony.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 5: The Aborigines, and and and what's his name, Mick Dundee, Right,
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 5: and they're they're doing like some kind of like male
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 5: ritualistic you know, let's all get together and smoke and
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 5: dance and talk and like you know whatever. Right, and
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 5: no women allowed. And she she takes some photographs of them. Right.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 5: But it's you know, like it used to be in
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 5: those older, you know, much more ancient hunter gatherer societies
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 5: and in more patriarchal societies, that there were spaces where
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 5: men could go and just be around other men and
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 5: not have women intruding, not have women looking over their
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 5: shoulders listening in, you know. And and I think that
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 5: I think that for a lot of men, that actually
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 5: is a form of therapy. So yeah, no, it's I
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 5: just I just it's it's but you know, like I
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 5: think more now than ever, men have been essentially their emotions,
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 5: their traumas, their difficulties have been completely sidelined. And I
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 5: don't know whether they feel like even if they talk
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 5: to their male friends about problems that they're having, that
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 5: they're going to be taken seriously or they're going to
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 5: be blamed, because the entire culture is want to blame, right,
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 5: now because of this feminist patriarchy narrative.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: So yep, all right, so I skipped ahead a little bit.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: I want going to get Montreal Vin Diesel's view on
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: this question about therapy. So I think he works with men,
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: and so he might have like a more informed or
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 3: at least like a different.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 14: Viewpoint, anisi of therapy that I think is wrong.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 15: And that's why I was hesitating, because community, explain what
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 15: you mean.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 14: For men especially, And again I can't talk for women.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 14: I'm not a woman, but for men especially, we lack
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 14: the interaction with other men without having women involved.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 15: Yes, that's true, and this is why I love martial art.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 14: This is absolutely why it has made me the men
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 14: that I am today, because I got to bleed, to
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 14: literally physically hurt somebody else, but it was always in
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 14: the control matter. I am a violent man by nature,
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 14: but I meditate every day. I have my violence under
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 14: control because I was shown techniques to control myself that
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 14: we're taught by community of men.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 15: So martial arts is your therapy, but not talk therapy.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 15: The word therapy that's misused.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 14: Men need therapy, but do they need to go see
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 14: as psychologist? Would they just need to go to a
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 14: retreat somewhere for a few weeks where it's just dudes,
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 14: because I'm like.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I want okay, So do you want
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: to hear if they respond to it?
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: Let me see, Uh, I want to see if.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: That there's like a counterpoint or if you guys want
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: to say anything to that.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 5: No, I that just is a reiteration, a more concise
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 5: one of what I just said. They men need to
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 5: spend time together outside the presence of women in a
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 5: kind of stand by me manner, you know, like, uh,
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 5: what was it five young men going out to see
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 5: a dead body by the train tracks, right, you know,
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 5: And and they did a lot of bonding, and they
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 5: did a lot of talk therapy like amongst themselves, and
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 5: it was like, that's that's just they You don't necessarily
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 5: need to go to a psychiatrist or a psychologist, and
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 5: you definitely don't need meds. Stay away from them unless
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 5: you're really, really sick, unless you have something seriously seriously
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 5: wrong with you. Right, check your testosterone. If you're depressed,
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 5: check your testosterone, check your vitamin levels. Check all those right,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 5: get a bunch of vitamin D right and.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: Put down the soy.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: Milk, but you know D definitely.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, I mean like you look at you look
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 5: at like most people in the northern hemisphere are deficient
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 5: in vitamin D, particularly people with dark skin. And when
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 5: you when you actually look at people's vitamin levels and
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 5: all of those other things, right, and what kind of
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 5: nutrition they're getting. Like my son, my youngest, he started
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 5: taking a multi vitamin every day about a month ago.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 5: The second day he comes upstairs and he says, I
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 5: can't believe I wasn't taking these. I feel amazing, right,
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, why weren't you taking them? Like you're
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 5: supposed to take your vitamins right, right, because because you're
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 5: not getting.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: Say that, say your prayers, you know, vitamins.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, And it's like, because it's honestly, and and
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 5: if if you're feeling depressed or a little emotionally unstable
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 5: or anxious or like you you have a bad temper,
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 5: right that flares up for maybe not so good a
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 5: reason or things like that, I would have your testosterone
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 5: levels checked, not to see if they're too high, but
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 5: to see if they're too low. Right, So yeah, and
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 5: maybe get a patch because it's like, honestly, it's when
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 5: when you look at the kind of moodiness, and you know,
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 5: when you look at men's hormone cycles and what drives
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 5: them to go out with other men. Right, it's the
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 5: Somani tribe in Bolivia's exemplar of that. Right. You know,
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 5: they're at home with the wife and the kids, right,
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 5: these hunter gatherer men, and and they're getting more cranky
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 5: and more antsy, and more restless and more insomniac. And
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 5: they're having trouble sleeping, and they're getting testy with their
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 5: kids and whatever. And that's time to go. It's time
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 5: for me to go grab my buddy, and we're going
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 5: to go out and try and hunt a taper. And
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 5: then you know, they maybe spend eight or ten or
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 5: twelve hours hunting this thing, stalking this thing, and then
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 5: when they bring it down, they get this big flood
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 5: of testosteron and they get this big flood of oxytocin
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 5: right in the testosterme gives them the victory effect. Right,
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 5: I'm the champion of the world. And it helps repair
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 5: their muscles, and it cures their fatigue, right, their tiredness,
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 5: and gives them a boost of energy. Right, And the
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 5: oxytocin reminds them, right, because it's the love drug, it's
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 5: the bonding hormone. Right. I have a wife and kids
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 5: at home who would really like to have some of
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 5: this taper too, Right, So instead of sitting down with
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 5: my buddy in the woods and making a fire and
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 5: eating it right here, right, the whole thing right, gonna,
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 5: we have the energy and the motivation now to lug
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 5: this thing home, and the bonding hormone makes them want
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 5: to share it with everybody that they care about, right,
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 5: which includes my hunting partner and his family.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 5: So it's like it's like this perfect hormone cycle of
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 5: being low testosterone and then going out and getting something
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 5: done and bringing it home and then just coasting on
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 5: that until the meat runs out. Right. That that's really
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 5: what it is. And you know, and you do that
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 5: with other men, like that's that's what you do. And
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 5: when it's when you're out doing your hunt that you're
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 5: talking with your hunting partner about stuff while you're walking
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 5: side by side not looking each other in the eye.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, should we play some more else? And stopped
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 3: taking debait?
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: Well, I do want to say that. I mean, if
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: guys want to use therapy. Just it's probably not a
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: good idea to go to a therapist who thinks that
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: you're the problem rather than you have something that needs
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: to be worked on, because what are you going to
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: get from that except a constant feeling that you yourself
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: are an enemy. Right now, if you have a therapist
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: that's giving you skills to overcome stuff, because I you know,
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: I went to therapy, I had severe anxiety. I had
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: to develop skills to overcome it. If you go there
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: to get skills, that makes perfect sense. You're going there
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: for something specific, you're learning the skills to overcome it.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: But a lot of a lot of therapy doesn't talk
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: about that. It's like, either, if you're a woman, it
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: affirms your paranoia, your sense of victimhood, your sense that
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: you are you know, the world is out to get you,
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: which women don't need. That's not improving their sense of well.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 5: Being at all.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: And if you're a man, this kind of therapy he
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: tells you that you are the problem. So it's like
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: not functional stuff, all right, But you know, some therapy,
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: forms of therapy can be about acquiring skills to manage
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: your emotions, all of them. So just be aware and Brian,
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: you're you're.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: Do you want to listen to the next clip or no?
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: I think we could listen to the next clip, but
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: that's gonna be let's listen to the next clip, all right.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean we're coming up on two hours,
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 3: so we're gonna be wrapping it up, I think soon, right.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 3: I know parent can't stay and all that, so, but
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: I can't help that.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 15: DAC is easier for women.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: Just think, I like mine.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 16: Many men can bond with other men, but I feel
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 16: like instead of doing that, they look at women to
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 16: solve do No.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 11: I agree with that. Actually, I think a lot of what.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: You see, well, we should go back a little bit
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: so we can hear it.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 3: I want to let's go back a little bit because
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 3: we were talking over it and stuff. So give me,
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 3: let me go back. Okay, I'm gonna play it from
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 3: what was it? Maybe from here?
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 15: Who are die? Friend?
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 14: And most men do not have that because women do
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 14: tend to bond.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 15: It's easier for women to bond.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: Just think that.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 16: I like mind, many men can bond with other men,
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 16: but I feel like instead of doing that, they look
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 16: at women to solve.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 9: No.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 15: I agree with that.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 11: Actually, I think a lot of I think I see
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 11: this a lot in the men's rights activist movement, where basically,
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 11: again we turn to women to use our use their
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 11: emotional labor to sort of like you know, kind of
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 11: just oh, women are natural caretakers. Nobody's a natural anything,
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 11: and it's a thing where we need to start doing
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 11: that for each other.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 5: Like, oh, good lor, nobody's a natural anything.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: This is bullshit again. Whenever men get together to deal
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: with their own issues on their own terms, feminists show
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: up and try to break it break it down. Me
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: and Brian did a show on the Orthodox monasteries of monks,
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: like just communities of monks. It's like a peninsula or
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: an island that's just all male.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: It's called Mount Athos.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: Mount It's one hundred percent male. And even their charity
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: services to men, right, so they will do dinners and
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: they'll provide dinners for men and presumably some kind of
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: spiritual guidance as well. There are groups that are trying
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: to get into Mount Athos, which is men helping men
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: and force women in there. Yeah, every time men try
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: to help other men, women show up, mostly feminist women,
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: but possibly other identities of women. They show up and
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: they say, we need to have control over this space.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: And then they get control over the space, and then
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: they start setting up everything in terms of how they
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: do you see it, like what is comfortable for them,
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: what supports their view of reality? And then the space
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: is now a woman's space.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, what supports my emotional needs. It was the same
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 5: with the men's sheds in Australia, you know, like it
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 5: wasn't long before.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: The poetic movement.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 5: No that no, the men's well, the mythopoetic movement, yes,
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 5: infiltrated the men's shed's movement. Betina aren't fought hard to
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 5: keep the men's sheds male only, but I think feminists
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 5: finally got the upper hand and and women were allowed in.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 5: And you got these you got these men, these older
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 5: men in particular, right, and they're trying to mentor boys
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 5: and younger men, right, And they're like, I don't I
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 5: don't want to talk about my prostate cancer when there's
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 5: a woman that's not my wife around, Like I'd want
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 5: to talk about it with my friend here, right, but
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 5: I don't want to talk about it in front of
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 5: a woman, right, Like it's it's just not something that
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 5: that I want to want to do right and and
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 5: so it's like and she she fought so hard to
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 5: keep those spaces male only, and and I think she
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 5: lost the battle because Australia is just as far gone
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 5: as you know, the US and Canada. But but yeah, no,
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 5: you just like the first thing that they did, the
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 5: first thing that feminists did. One of the first things
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 5: was closed down all of the all male country clubs,
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 5: social clubs, golf clubs. Right, and you know what you
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 5: you know what you should do one of these days
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 5: is actually uh do a critique of an episode of
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 5: The Flintstones where Betty and Wilma infiltrate the water Buffalo
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 5: Lodge because they want to know what the men are
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 5: up to, right, They're like so curious what kind of
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 5: evil things the men are up to? Ooh, they're up
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 5: to something, right, and then they end up regretting it.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 3: Yep, okay, uh some more or what should we It's
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 3: almost at the top of the hour.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: We did start a little bit late, but you know,
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: I think it's uh, what do you guys think a
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: little bit more? See does anybody make a point? Or
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: is this just more blather?
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 3: I don't why do you why do you ask me
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 3: that every time we go, no one ever makes a
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 3: point that's solid enough for you anyway, So we might
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 3: as well just respond to what's there, Like, are you
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 3: expecting someone's brain, Like like that guy's gonna pull off
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 3: the afro and it's actually his brain and he's gonna
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 3: make a really powerful point. No, it's gonna be more
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 3: of the same, Like the feminists only have talking points.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: They're just they're just regurgitation machines.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 3: This could be a fucking like one of those like
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 3: you know, automat so the things that you just put
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 3: a quarter in and outcomes of canvas says men should
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 3: cry more often. That's like that, that's all. That's what
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 3: they do.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: That's like the.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 3: Extent of the ten years of this ten years it's
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 3: the same content. I'm sorry, but that's what we have.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 3: This is what we have to make do with what
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 3: we have and try to be entertaining. But trust me,
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 3: you're not gonna learn anything revolutionary from these feminists and
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 3: the MRIs are saying stuff, or at least the people
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 3: on the side of the MRIs are saying stuff that
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 3: we've already set ourselves, so we're not gonna get anything
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 3: extra amazingly mind blowing from that either. But I mean,
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 3: people want us to respond to this stuff. So that's
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 3: where we're at. So yeah, I'm sorry, but I'm willing
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 3: to do it. But like when you say, does anything
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 3: really important happen?
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: No, No, this isn't.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 3: These they're like, these conversations are like episodes of Seinfeld.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: It's like about nothing. It's the same shit. You know,
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but it's true.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't mind it, but like, let's not
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 3: pretend like there's like a secret video that's gonna have
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 3: like the fucking you know, mother load of talking points
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 3: in it that we've never heard before.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: Like it's gonna be the same shit.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 3: So I'm sorry, but this is like the thing is okay,
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 3: what we're dealing with is this monotonous circular reasoning, these
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 3: ridiculous arguments that never get a sufficient pushback and they
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 3: just continue on and on infinitum while the world burns
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 3: in the background and they're still going, you know, uh, men,
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 3: they get custody if they want it like that, that's
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 3: not real. One in four women seventy seven cents on
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 3: the dollar. You know, it's just the same shit. It's
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 3: never changed, and it's not gonna change because it's all
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 3: about maintaining the institution. It's not about the truth in
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 3: any way. So we're just gonna keep going until like someday,
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 3: you know, maybe someone that yeah, like we'll all suffer.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: And then people are like.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 3: You know, we should probably do something about this women
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 3: men thing, and maybe like really do something about it,
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 3: like while they're in a yeah, when they're in a
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 3: cave and they're wearing like the skin of their enemies
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 3: to like keep warm. You know, we should probably address
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 3: this issue maybe, and then somebody's gonna come and be like, well,
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 3: you know, first we got to fix women need help first,
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 3: like they're obviously suffering more so. Yeah, it's just like
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 3: I'm just let's okay, as long as we don't pretend
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 3: like we're gonna get anything out of this that's like
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 3: really oh oh yeah that changes everything.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: Oh I get it now, No, that's not gonna happen.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but anyway, well it's past the top of the hour, now, okay,
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 5: all right, I think I think we should probably end
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 5: on that epic rant.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The problem with this is that it is endlessly
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: the same thing recycled.
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 3: They don't want it to change. They want to keep
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 3: you in this holding pattern, you know where the problem.
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: Just to keep keep Let's keep ignoring the problem. Let's
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: keep ignoring the problem. Don't mind the lights going out,
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: the plumbing no longer working, Let's keep ignoring the problem.
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: Don't need does somebody else's problem? Men are to blame.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: Let's blame men some more. Surely that will work this time.
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: All right? So if you let me.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 3: See if I got any more super chats or anything
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 3: before I close it out here.
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 5: Okay, before before you do that, I'm gonna go. I
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 5: have to let my I think it's coming out as
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 5: bum right now. Oh yeah, he's shaking. Yeah, no, he
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 5: just vibrates, vibrating, Yeah, bugging out.
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: He's like, I don't have any more room.
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, one of them is gonna let go, you know.
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 5: So yeah, I'm gonna hang up now.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: I'm go go take care of go take care of
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: borat all right?
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 5: Okay, all right, all right?
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: So do we have anything further that we need to
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: speak of?
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 3: Nope?
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  Speaker 18: Men's rite activists are machines.
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 3: A right, never we're done. Oh fuck, we're way Hold
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 3: on a second.
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 18: Men's rite activists are machines, dude. Okay, they are literal machines.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 18: They are talking point machines. They are impossible to fucking
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 18: deal with, especially if you have like especially if you
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 18: have like a couple of dudes who have good memory.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 18: On top of that too, holy shit, you're fucked.