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Hour 2: Late-night TV's future. · The Mark Simone Show

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Speaker 1: Back to Marshamo on wor.
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Speaker 2: Well, we'll get to Johnny Carson later this hour. Hey
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Speaker 2: speaking which Stephen Colbert, believe it or not, I can
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Speaker 2: talk to believe it. You went from Johnny Carson to
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Speaker 2: Stephen Colbert, this angry, bitter little guy with this twisted up.
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Speaker 2: It's called the Late Show, should be called the Hate Show.
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Speaker 2: It's just this hate filled rant every night. They fired him.
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Speaker 2: He's gone. He's just working out the contract which has
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Speaker 2: got This is March April May, so it's about two
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Speaker 2: more months. But CBS is already erasing Stephen Colbert from
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Speaker 2: everything they can. If you go into the Big Broadcast
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Speaker 2: Center fifty seventh and eleventh, when you walk in there,
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Speaker 2: there's pictures of all the shows. As you come down
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Speaker 2: the hallway, the pictures of Colbert and the Late Show
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Speaker 2: have disappeared. They've been taken off the walls. One insider
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Speaker 2: saying it's like it's like existed at all. Every CBS
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Speaker 2: facility everywhere has taken down all the pictures of Colbert,
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Speaker 2: all the references to Colbert. The network now confirms that
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Speaker 2: when he goes off the air, there will be no sendoff,
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Speaker 2: no goodbye party, no anything. They've had it with this guy.
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Speaker 2: They want nothing to do with him. He's ruined late
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Speaker 2: night television, something completely destroyed it. He was really first
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Speaker 2: to go total hatred, and then Kimmel followed. Fallon sort
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Speaker 2: of followed. But Fallon's the one guy who could go
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Speaker 2: back to a regular entertainment show at night if he
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Speaker 2: wanted to. Kimmel is too far gone. He just became
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Speaker 2: this angry, bitter guy. Colbert was always a just a
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Speaker 2: hate filled, angry guy. So they can't wait to get
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Speaker 2: this thing off the air. The Late Show, The Stephen
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Speaker 2: Colbert Late Show. Now, remember it's in its final month
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Speaker 2: or two. You know, remember when Johnny Carson announced he
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Speaker 2: was retiring in May of ninety two. Why the last
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Speaker 2: few months, their ratings were through the roof. Everybody wanted
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Speaker 2: to watch his final shows, and all the biggest stars
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Speaker 2: in the world wanted to come on. It was quite
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Speaker 2: a ratings boost those final months. It's just the opposite
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Speaker 2: of the Colbert. He's going off pretty soon and his
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Speaker 2: final months are ratings disaster. In fact, the last month
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Speaker 2: was the worst ever, worst January ever. He had two
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Speaker 2: hundred and eighty five thousand viewers in the demo two
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Speaker 2: hundred and eighty five thousand in their demo. Now normally,
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Speaker 2: you know, in the Carson days, it was eight million,
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Speaker 2: nine million. Network says the final show can't come soon enough.
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Speaker 2: Now when they take him off the air, they're not
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Speaker 2: going to put on another talk show. It could be
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Speaker 2: a game show, or it could be reruns. You know,
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Speaker 2: when the Kimmel got pulled off the air for a week,
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Speaker 2: they just ran reruns of Password and it got triple
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Speaker 2: the ratings of Kimmel, So don't think CBS didn't notice it.
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Speaker 2: And to run the reruns of Password, it's free, it
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Speaker 2: doesn't cost anything. So expect Colbert to be replaced with
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Speaker 2: reruns a game show or CBS drama or something like that,
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Speaker 2: and it'll get double triple the ratings at Colbert and
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Speaker 2: cost nothing. What do they do with that big theater, Well,
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Speaker 2: they spent a lot of money on that theater through
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Speaker 2: the years, the Ed Sullivan Theater, and it's a really
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Speaker 2: good TV studio. So I would imagine CBS keeps it,
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Speaker 2: uses it to do game shows and that sort of
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Speaker 2: stuff out of there. Also, you can make a lot
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Speaker 2: of money renting out the theater as a TV studio.
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Speaker 2: In fact, before Letterman took it over. In between The
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Speaker 2: Ed Sullivan Show and Letterman taking it over, that's what
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Speaker 2: it was. You could rent that theater and millions of
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Speaker 2: shows were done out of there if you needed to
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Speaker 2: rent a studio. Hey, you know the show Access Hollywood
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Speaker 2: gone canceled. Even the top producers were totally unaware it
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Speaker 2: was going to get canceled. NBC Universal made the decision Friday.
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Speaker 2: Access Hollywood got a call after nearly thirty years, canceled.
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Speaker 2: That's it, no more Access Hollywood. Why. Ratings were good,
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Speaker 2: in fact, they were higher than Extra but TV viewership,
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Speaker 2: Network TV viewership is way way way down. A lot
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Speaker 2: less people watch network TV or local stations TV. That's
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Speaker 2: who runs all these Access Hollywood. All these local stations
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Speaker 2: run Access Hollywood and just doesn't pay to do them anymore.
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Speaker 2: Viewership is way way way down. So Access Hollywood is canceled. Hey,
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Speaker 2: we're talking about potholes before they're still there. This was
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Speaker 2: the worst season ever for potholes because of the Remember
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Speaker 2: the temperature would go from minus fifteen to seventy five
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Speaker 2: the next day. It's that quick temperature shifts that caused
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Speaker 2: the potholes. And also the salt and stuff they throw
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Speaker 2: all over the road. So it's worse than ever. And
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Speaker 2: apparently they don't have enough people to fix it. The
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Speaker 2: mayor and others said there'd be two weeks, will fix
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Speaker 2: all the potholes. It's not getting done. The union that's
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Speaker 2: in charge of all that says they don't have enough people.
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Speaker 2: They could use at least two hundred more highway workers
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Speaker 2: to get the job done, says the biggest crop of
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Speaker 2: potholes they've seen after this brutal winter. But the Momdannie
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Speaker 2: promised for two weeks, they say, he is not gonna happen.
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Speaker 2: Just not possible. Hey, so the Epstein files, there are
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Speaker 2: a lot of people.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes you see these business people are Bill Gates or
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Speaker 2: Bill Clinton. You're not shocked. Yeah, that's who your picture
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Speaker 2: hanging out with Epstein. But deep pak Chopra his followers stunned,
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Speaker 2: stunned that he's in there.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: There's some guys that end up in this Epstein file,
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Speaker 2: like Dick Cavett. You wouldn't expect him to be in there.
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Speaker 2: Woody Allen, but it's pretty innocent with these two. Woody Allen,
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Speaker 2: it was remember after the scandal. Woody Allen could not
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Speaker 2: get any financing to make movies. All the big studios
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Speaker 2: stopped financing his movies, so he couldn't get movies made
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Speaker 2: with the big studios or any of the Hollywood stuff.
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Speaker 2: So he had to go out and raise his own money.
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Speaker 2: And the way you're his money, he is you find
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Speaker 2: wealthy guys, starstruck, wealthy guys who want to pretend to
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Speaker 2: be a movie producer or hang around show business, and
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Speaker 2: they'll finance your movies. And there's a lot of them,
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Speaker 2: a lot of them, not just what he elan. A
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Speaker 2: lot of Scorsese's done that with a few films. You
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Speaker 2: just go find some rich guys to give you the money.
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Speaker 2: You don't have to deal with the Hollywood studio. And
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Speaker 2: these rich guys are just as starstruck as anybody. So
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Speaker 2: that's what Woody Allen was doing, getting Epstein to finance movies.
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Speaker 2: In exchange, Woody Allen had to come to his house
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Speaker 2: for a lot of dinners, a lot of luncheons, and
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Speaker 2: Epstein would invite all of his friends and you could
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Speaker 2: sit there and have lunch with Woody Allen, dinner with
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Speaker 2: Woody Allen. It's annoying, but he was willing to do
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Speaker 2: it to get the financing. Woody Allen's close friend Dick
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Speaker 2: Cabott got dragged into this. Why was Cavot doing it? Well,
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Speaker 2: if you read the files, it looks like Cabot wanted
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Speaker 2: a rich guy to finance a PBS special he was
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Speaker 2: trying to put together. Epstein did do that, So that's
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Speaker 2: what up. Now, that's innocent d Pak Chopra, the guru
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Speaker 2: who everybody idolized. This guru, this is different. You can
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Speaker 2: read all the emails. You can go to the Epstein files.
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Speaker 2: His behavior was pretty slimy there. He was all over Epstein.
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Speaker 2: Here's one devoted follower of his on Facebook says, I
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Speaker 2: just looked at the Chopra emails with Epstein and I
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Speaker 2: am about to drown in my own vomit. He wants
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Speaker 2: to go away with Epstein on trips, and in the
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Speaker 2: invitation he says bring your girls. On at least two occasions,
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Speaker 2: Chopra invited Epstein to join him on trips to Israel
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Speaker 2: in Switzerland, specifically telling him to bring your girls. In
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Speaker 2: the Israel invitation, Chopra also suggested Epstein use a fake
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Speaker 2: name if he wished Chopra. Another one wrote God is
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Speaker 2: a construct. Cute girls are real. Yeah, a lot of
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Speaker 2: stuff with women and Deepak Chopra. And then apparently Chopra
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Speaker 2: was quite the ladies man. In one email, Epstein's texting him,
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Speaker 2: I liked watching you zero in on your prey made
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Speaker 2: me smile. The word predator is used. And then there's
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Speaker 2: another one from Chopra requests for cute girls. He asked
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Speaker 2: if he had found him acute Israeli while he's over there.
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Speaker 2: Epstein offered to send two girls to a meditation events
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Speaker 2: Chopra was hosting, which Chopra accepted, requesting their names for
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Speaker 2: the guest list. Now what does Chopra say about all this? Well,
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Speaker 2: he issued a statement on x denying any criminal or
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Speaker 2: exploiti of contact. He acknowledged that some past email exchanges
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Speaker 2: reflected poor judgment in tone, expressed regret for how they
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Speaker 2: might be interpreted. The reports specified that it's unclear how
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Speaker 2: old the girls were in the message as well how
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Speaker 2: it might be interpreted. I don't know if when you're
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Speaker 2: writing Epstein and you say bring your girls, how's it
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Speaker 2: going to get interpreted? Hey, there was a noted publicist
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Speaker 2: Peggy Siegel. I think she's kind of retired now. Peggy's
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Speaker 2: Siegel for throughout the eighties and nineties was the big
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Speaker 2: publicist for the movie studios through the big, big, big,
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Speaker 2: big movie premiere parties here in New York. Was the
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Speaker 2: nastiest person ever, nasty personality. Everybody behind her back, always bad, mouter,
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Speaker 2: like crazy. But she was quite the publicist. If it
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Speaker 2: was a big event with big, big names, major business names,
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Speaker 2: society names, that's who you hired to put together the party. Well,
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Speaker 2: nobody was more involved with Epstein than Peggy Siegel. Nobody.
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Speaker 2: It was site of a five thousand email turned up
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Speaker 2: just in one year, Oh no, ten years, five thousand
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Speaker 2: emails in ten years. And why would she do this
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Speaker 2: for Epstein? Well money, he had what's known as check's appeal.
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Speaker 2: He would write massive checks. For instance, on her birthday party,
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Speaker 2: he sent her one hundred thousand dollars as a gift,
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Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. And every time he wanted her
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Speaker 2: to put together a party, put together a dinner party
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Speaker 2: for my birthday, invite all the biggest names in New York.
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Speaker 2: He sent thirty thousand dollars for the party they wanted.
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Speaker 2: Elton John, so fifteen thousand was donated to Elton John's charity.
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Speaker 2: A lot of money was spent. Now she lost I
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Speaker 2: think a lot of the movie studios once it all
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Speaker 2: came out about Epstein. And she's really the one that
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Speaker 2: got him a lot of big names in New York.
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Speaker 2: But she's getting a lot of flak for this now.
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Speaker 2: She's the one that when he got Prince Andrew at
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Speaker 2: his house. She's the one that threw the dinner party
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Speaker 2: for Prince Andrew and she got George Stefanopolis to come,
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Speaker 2: and Katie Kuric to come and Stephanoppolis later got a
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Speaker 2: lot of flak for having dinner at Epstein's house, and
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Speaker 2: he put out some stupid statement about, well, maybe I
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Speaker 2: should have done my due diligence. Well, he's supposed to
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Speaker 2: be some sort of a news guy, and it was
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Speaker 2: in every news outlet in the world that he was
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Speaker 2: convicted of being a pedophile in prison, So it wasn't
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Speaker 2: that hard to do the due diligence. But anyway, we'll
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Speaker 2: do that. Throughout the week, we'll bring you more of
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Speaker 2: these shocking names that are in the Epstein files. Hey, Cuba, Cuba,
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Speaker 2: the communist government of Cuba could fall at any moment.
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Speaker 2: There were riots in the street this weekend. Rioters attacking
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Speaker 2: a Communist party building, entering it, throwing everything out the windows.
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Speaker 2: This is building. It's possible that Iran is liberated. It's
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Speaker 2: possible bull Iran gets a new government, is no longer
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Speaker 2: a brutal terrorist dictatorship. And it's possible in the months
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Speaker 2: ahead Cuba gets rid of communism, goes capitalist. Trump would absolutely,
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Speaker 2: without question, deserve a Nobel Prize for all of this
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Speaker 2: because he's been working on this behind the scenes. And
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Speaker 2: you know, Cuba is a beautiful Caribbean island. It's in
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Speaker 2: total poverty and decay for decades under communism. If you
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Speaker 2: liberated it, it would look like Miami. In fact, before
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Speaker 2: the communists took over, it looked like Miami. It had
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Speaker 2: all the same hotels. Same guy that built the Fountain
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Speaker 2: Blue had a hotel in Cuba. The same guy that
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Speaker 2: built the Eden Rock had a hotel in Cuba that
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Speaker 2: was magnificent. Hotels, the most beautiful beaches, gambling casinos, nightclubs.
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Speaker 2: It could go back to that. It could make a fortune.
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Speaker 2: So look for that to happen. You know, if they
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Speaker 2: need somebody to take over and run Iran. Who would
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Speaker 2: do it well? The Sun of the Shaw. He's been
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Speaker 2: in this country for forty seven years, Reza pan La Pavlav,
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Speaker 2: and he's been pushing for decades to be the guy
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Speaker 2: to go back and take over. And he's been leading,
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Speaker 2: you know, all kinds of events and discussions and about
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Speaker 2: going back and taking over. I don't know if the
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Speaker 2: White House has any real confidence in him. Nothing wrong
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Speaker 2: with him, He's just he hasn't been there in forty
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Speaker 2: seven years, and it's hard to imagine you could go
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Speaker 2: back forty seven years later and know what the hell's
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Speaker 2: going on or know anybody there. But he could play
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Speaker 2: some sort of role in this, he probably would not
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Speaker 2: be the new leader. And there's a tremendous amount of
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Speaker 2: Persians here in the United States and the Persian community.
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Speaker 2: You see them all over in New Jersey, Long Island,
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Speaker 2: Sands Point, Great Neck, very very very successful business people,
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Speaker 2: very very smart people. So it's a huge diaspora of
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Speaker 2: the Persian community. Huge and they've been talking, meeting, gathering
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Speaker 2: over the last few weeks figuring out what they can do.
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Speaker 2: And these are smart, wealthy guys. They can do plenty
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Speaker 2: to help support a new government in Iran, so it
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Speaker 2: could happen soon. You know, we've been trying to take
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Speaker 2: out the Islamic Revolutionary Guard, the Revolutionary Guard, the Republican Guard,
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Speaker 2: and they're the vicious ones. They're the really ugly, vicious,
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Speaker 2: brutal terrorist ones have been shooting protesters and all that.
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Speaker 2: But there's the regular Army. We're trying very hard not
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Speaker 2: to hit them. The Islamic Republican Iran Army. We've been
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Speaker 2: leaving them alone because they'll be needed if Iran gets free,
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Speaker 2: they'll be there. They'll be the new army. We'll get
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Speaker 2: rid of the Republican Guard, the regular army will take over.
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Speaker 2: This could get pretty interesting in the next few months.
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Speaker 2: We'll get to Johnny Carson coming up in a few minutes.
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Speaker 2: Interesting stuff that you never knew about them. We'll take
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Speaker 2: some calls next eight hundred three to two to one
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Speaker 2: zero seven ten is the number. Eight hundred three to
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Speaker 2: two to one zero.
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Speaker 1: Always this step ahead of the news. Here's more marks
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Speaker 1: imone on seven to ten. Woor Hey, let's.
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Speaker 2: Take some calls. Let's go to Bonnie and Toms River. Bonnie,
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Speaker 2: how you doing, hi?
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Speaker 4: Mark I was just wondering this guy they put in
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Speaker 4: charge of Iran the Sun. Yes, he's pretty banged up.
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Speaker 4: I mean he's performed and he's in a coma. Is
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Speaker 4: it sort of like the Weekend with Bernie thing where
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Speaker 4: they prop them up and he waves Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's kind of the Joe Biden of Iraq. Now yeah,
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Speaker 2: they actually think he well, some think he's dead. There's
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Speaker 2: no confirmation that he's actually alive. It's been reported he
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Speaker 2: lost a leg in the bombing, facial lacerations, he was
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Speaker 2: in a coma.
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Speaker 4: And some of them I heard last night, they think
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Speaker 4: he's gay.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gay, which is pretty funny because in Iran
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Speaker 2: that's illegal and they'll hang you if you're gay. So
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Speaker 2: so it was always said that the Iotola himself never
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Speaker 2: wanted his son to take over, and they said the
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Speaker 2: reason was they didn't want to get into this family
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Speaker 2: dynasty because that's what they had with the Shaw. But
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Speaker 2: could also be that he knew his son was gay
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Speaker 2: and that doesn't fit with what the Iranian government believes.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to Phil in Northport. Phil, how you doing?
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Speaker 3: Yes?
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Speaker 5: Hello, Hello, Mark, And just kudos to whose cadets put
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Speaker 5: it into that miserable human being that killed the lieutenant
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Speaker 5: colonel in Arlington, Arlington, Virginia. And why didn't the governor
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Speaker 5: of Arlington, Virginia make one word about this?
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Speaker 2: You mean the governor of Virginia be all right, well, anyway,
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Speaker 2: she's a left wing cook. She's not going to say
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Speaker 2: a word about it. But you've had the worst coverage
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Speaker 2: of everything we're talking about this last hour with Michael Goodwin,
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Speaker 2: just absolutely. For instance, the Michigan shooter, the guy who
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Speaker 2: tried to run over the I mean this awful terrorist,
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Speaker 2: and the New York Times and others put out this
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Speaker 2: narrative that he was so driven, so crazy because his
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Speaker 2: brother had been killed and an Israeli airstrike, his brother
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Speaker 2: in Lebanon was killed and in his early airstrike it
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Speaker 2: was very you know, to get sympathy from this is
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Speaker 2: what the New York Times and others wrote. Well, it
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Speaker 2: turns out it was true. The reason he was killed
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Speaker 2: he was a Hesbala terrorist. They forgot to mention that
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Speaker 2: in the article. They deliberately didn't mention it in the article.
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Speaker 2: You've had this kind of stuff going on. That's why
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Speaker 2: the FCC chair is warning these media outlets They also
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Speaker 2: reported the story about we lost six ships, six ships
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Speaker 2: were sunk in or rent. None of this was true,
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Speaker 2: completely false, but major news outlets all ran this story.
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Speaker 2: That's why they're talking about FCC crackdown. Let's go to
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Speaker 2: Vincent and Brooklyn. Vincent, how you doing?
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Speaker 3: Good morning, Mark, I'm okay, Good morning, Mara. Mark Abba
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Speaker 3: girl spamburger to governor Virginia pulled the bait and switch.
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Speaker 3: She ran as a moderate, and now she wants to
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Speaker 3: tax anything walking, even cockerroaches and water bugs. Mark, I'm
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Speaker 3: sure you heard about Mandami's latest boneheaded plan. He wants
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Speaker 3: the state to low the inheritance tax threshold from seven
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Speaker 3: million dollars to seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars, and
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Speaker 3: he wants an inheritance tax rate of fifty percent.
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Speaker 2: Now, if you have inheritance, the first seven million is
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Speaker 2: not taxed, he wants to make that the first seven
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Speaker 2: hundred thousand, which, now, explain this to me, though, federal
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Speaker 2: inheritance tax about fifty percent, isn't it?
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Speaker 3: No? Actually, and you got to make you got to
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Speaker 3: really be inherit a lot of a lot, a lot
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Speaker 3: of buddy, No, it's not not that. What there is
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Speaker 3: tax on like if somebody in New York and that's upfront.
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Speaker 3: If let's say your mom leaves a bank account in
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Speaker 3: trust for you, if it's over thirty thousand dollars, they
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Speaker 3: put and this was years ago, I don't even know
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Speaker 3: what it is now, they put a lock on that
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Speaker 3: accountant to you paid a tax up front, and you
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Speaker 3: get a clearance, a statement of clearance from the state
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Speaker 3: tax Department, and you present it to the bank and
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Speaker 3: they'll free up your money. I heard an economist over
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Speaker 3: this week and talking about real estate in New York.
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Speaker 3: And this person knows about economics but does not know
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Speaker 3: about real estate. He was saying that you could buy
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Speaker 3: the average house in New York City, you could buy
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Speaker 3: one for seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars. No way,
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Speaker 3: you can't even even in Brooklyn. The average co op
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Speaker 3: let alone of Manhattan goes for at least a million dollars.
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Speaker 3: I was offered the beginning of last week for one
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Speaker 3: of my properties. I was offered a great up deal.
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Speaker 3: We would have went to the lawyer's office and closed
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Speaker 3: five million dollars for one of mine. Dollars.
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Speaker 2: Very good. Now, listen the argument against the inheritance tax
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Speaker 2: is this is money that people have earned, and they've
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Speaker 2: already rational wealth. They've already paid tax on it when
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Speaker 2: they earned it. They paid the taxt and so you're
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Speaker 2: taxing the money that's already been taxed, which is and.
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Speaker 3: They paid tax on it when they invested in the dividends,
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Speaker 3: the interest, They paid tax on it when they put
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Speaker 3: it in the bank and everything. And so it's robbery
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Speaker 3: and that's this is how you create generational wealth. And
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Speaker 3: Mondami and these communists they don't want that. They want
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Speaker 3: everybody to be in the poorhouse. Now they're the only
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Speaker 3: ones conducted to eat steak and lobster. And they complain
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Speaker 3: about our military men and women who were fighting for
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Speaker 3: us having the stakehold lobster. Didn't want it, they added
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Speaker 3: their mind.
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Speaker 2: Yes, as a matter of fact, Vincent, great call, thanks
20:56
Speaker 2: for calling. That's another example of fake news. They printed
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Speaker 2: the story if Hegsath had ordered millions of dollars of
21:03
Speaker 2: staking lobster for himself, it was for the troops. They
21:05
Speaker 2: also failed to mention this has done a lot. When
21:08
Speaker 2: troops are about to go into combat, you spend a
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Speaker 2: lot of money and give them one incredible meal before
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Speaker 2: Well, you know there's been a lot of books about
21:44
Speaker 2: Johnny Carson, but nothing like this. The definitive Ultimate Johnny
21:48
Speaker 2: Carson book came out last year. I urge you to
21:51
Speaker 2: get it. It's the greatest book ever on Carson. It's
21:54
Speaker 2: uncovered everything you could ever know about him. It's called
21:57
Speaker 2: Love Johnny Carson. It's by Mark mall cough. He also
22:01
Speaker 2: does the Carson Podcast. There's about four hundred episodes you
22:04
Speaker 2: can listen to with anybody and everybody that was ever
22:07
Speaker 2: involved with the Tonight Show. But get the book Love
22:10
Speaker 2: Johnny Carson by Mark Malcoff. You won't be able to
22:13
Speaker 2: put it down. And he's with us now, Mark Malkoff,
22:15
Speaker 2: how you doing.
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Speaker 6: Mark I'm doing great. Nice to talk to you again.
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Speaker 2: Hey. The Oscars last night made me think of Carson.
22:23
Speaker 2: He has been how many years was the Oscar host?
22:26
Speaker 2: Many years?
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Speaker 6: It was four or five years. He was the only
22:29
Speaker 6: Oscar host in the history. No teleprompter, no Q cards.
22:33
Speaker 6: He memorized everything. The opening monologue, he would edit the
22:37
Speaker 6: jokes in his head depending on how he did with
22:39
Speaker 6: the crowd with each joke. I mean that guy was
22:41
Speaker 6: on a different level as a host, probably the greatest
22:44
Speaker 6: Oscar host of all time.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he did that with the Tonight Show. You know,
22:47
Speaker 2: got like Jay Leno had to work on the monologue
22:49
Speaker 2: to get the jokes in just the right order. But Carson,
22:52
Speaker 2: You're right, on the Tonight Show would just jumble up jokes,
22:55
Speaker 2: move them around, switch whatever he had to do. And
22:59
Speaker 2: I think the only was to ever to do that right.
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Speaker 2: Everyone else had the cue cards.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it was at Johnny was effortless. I
23:05
Speaker 6: mean he had a phote, he took a photograph, a
23:08
Speaker 6: memory class, and he could learn. He learned Russian, he
23:11
Speaker 6: learned Swahili, he took Spanish classes and between shows in
23:14
Speaker 6: Las Vegas. I mean, the guy was unbelievable. In terms
23:18
Speaker 6: of his intellect.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, now you should get the book Love Johnny Carson,
23:22
Speaker 2: and the book is wonderful. You're gonna love Johnny Carson
23:25
Speaker 2: even more when you read it. But we've had you
23:27
Speaker 2: on a numbers. We never talked about the bad stuff.
23:29
Speaker 2: I thought we'd just well during the New York years,
23:32
Speaker 2: he was a big drinker and apparently a lot of
23:35
Speaker 2: affairs cheating, not just him but the wife too.
23:38
Speaker 6: Correct, that's true. I mean Johnny would talk on the
23:42
Speaker 6: Tonight Show about how he struggled with drinking. It was
23:45
Speaker 6: one of those things in New York where he was
23:47
Speaker 6: so famous. He would go into a restaurant or a
23:49
Speaker 6: bar and people would constantly be sending over drinks, and
23:52
Speaker 6: he tried to be polite, take a sip, and he
23:53
Speaker 6: was a lightweight, so after a few drinks, as Carson acknowledged,
23:57
Speaker 6: he would turn into a tilla the hunt and in
23:59
Speaker 6: the spring of nineteen seventy one, Johnny was at Jilli's
24:03
Speaker 6: on fifty second straight world famous Jilly's Sinatra territory. He
24:06
Speaker 6: was with Ed McMahon and Ed's manager Robert Coe, and
24:11
Speaker 6: Carson had way too much to drink and mobster Joey
24:14
Speaker 6: Gallo had just gotten out of prison after serving a decade,
24:17
Speaker 6: who was locked away, just got out. As at Jilli's,
24:20
Speaker 6: Gallo is with his girlfriend, goes to the bathroom. Gallo
24:23
Speaker 6: does and Johnny unfortunately didn't remember this because he was drunk,
24:27
Speaker 6: but he did something highly inappropriate to Gallow's girlfriend. Jilly.
24:30
Speaker 6: Rizzo told ed, get Carson the blank out of here,
24:34
Speaker 6: which he did, and then Gallo came back and discovered
24:36
Speaker 6: what Carson did, and he put a hit on Johnny's life.
24:40
Speaker 6: And two things happened. One, Carson wisely got his good
24:43
Speaker 6: friend Frank Sinatra to intervene. Sinatra knew Gallo, he knew
24:47
Speaker 6: some of the mafia figures. So Sinatra sat down with
24:50
Speaker 6: Gallow they need a favor, and he said, anything, I
24:53
Speaker 6: need you to leave Johnny Carson alone. And Gallo got
24:56
Speaker 6: really upset, but he said, you tell Carson the only
24:59
Speaker 6: reason he lives and breathes is because he knows Frank Sinatra.
25:03
Speaker 6: And then the second thing is NBC. Carson was twenty
25:06
Speaker 6: five percent of NBC's profits at one point, and to
25:09
Speaker 6: appease the acting mafia don in New York City, Joe
25:11
Speaker 6: Colombo NBC News they aired a positive story in nineteen
25:16
Speaker 6: seventy one on Joe Colombo and his Italian American Civil
25:20
Speaker 6: Rights League for no reason. I mean I watched it
25:23
Speaker 6: with my own eye.
25:24
Speaker 2: And you don't mean they ran a piece during the news.
25:27
Speaker 2: I mean they created a primetime special for this.
25:29
Speaker 6: Right they did it was it was prime time because
25:32
Speaker 6: they would have higher ratings. They were really worried about
25:36
Speaker 6: this and it aired in primetime and I look at
25:39
Speaker 6: that and I was like, it was just why would
25:41
Speaker 6: they do this? And they just you know, Carson was
25:44
Speaker 6: their cash cow. I mean he was the most important
25:46
Speaker 6: person to the network and then Bob Hope. So they
25:48
Speaker 6: did that and that was how Johnny was able to
25:52
Speaker 6: keep his life. I mean he would go to the
25:54
Speaker 6: Copa cabana and Jerry Vale was opening up the Copa
25:58
Speaker 6: and Carson again drinks and he was gone, and it
26:01
Speaker 6: was it was he ruined Jerry Vale's entire premiere and
26:06
Speaker 6: Carson Jerry Vales had Carson apologized for decades the show, right, Yeah,
26:12
Speaker 6: you just did not want to be around Johnny. But
26:14
Speaker 6: he would talk about it on the Tonight Show. We
26:16
Speaker 6: talked about it with Mike Wallace. It was a struggle
26:18
Speaker 6: of his. Really didn't get a hold of it until
26:21
Speaker 6: nineteen eighty two after he got unfortunately arrested for drinking
26:24
Speaker 6: and driving, and three months prior on the Tonight Show
26:27
Speaker 6: he's warning people you do not want to drink and
26:28
Speaker 6: drive during the holidays. And then three months later, of course, Johnny,
26:32
Speaker 6: but it was a struggle of his and then obviously
26:35
Speaker 6: the marriage is married. Four times he would talk about
26:37
Speaker 6: the struggles, but yeah, unfortunately in nineteen this has also
26:41
Speaker 6: happened in nineteen seventy one, Johnny. This was wife number two,
26:45
Speaker 6: Joe Anne, who was the one that really convinced Johnny
26:48
Speaker 6: to take the Tonight Show because Johnny and everybody said,
26:52
Speaker 6: don't you don't want to take over for Jack part,
26:54
Speaker 6: No one's going to succeed. So she unfortunately had caught
26:57
Speaker 6: Carson in some compromising situations with women. She wanted to
27:00
Speaker 6: make Carson jealous, so she was going on the weekends
27:03
Speaker 6: to race car, drive races, race car She loved race
27:06
Speaker 6: car driving. She started having an affair with Peter Revson,
27:09
Speaker 6: a race car driver, a playboy race car driver, who's
27:12
Speaker 6: the heir to the Revlon throne. That's what the media said.
27:15
Speaker 6: Carson found out he had a she had a secret apartment,
27:19
Speaker 6: and he had a private investigator who you were actually
27:21
Speaker 6: friends with. Carson was crying when he found out that
27:26
Speaker 6: joe Anne was cheating on him and changed the locks
27:28
Speaker 6: on their apartment and it was over. And it was
27:31
Speaker 6: a really, really sad thing. But you know, Carson just
27:35
Speaker 6: I mean temptation with the ladies. He couldn't turn it down.
27:38
Speaker 6: He didn't turn them down very often.
27:40
Speaker 2: Yeah. So so he's cheating with other women and she's
27:44
Speaker 2: going away every weekend to go watch race races. But
27:48
Speaker 2: is that smart that your husband's a cheater and you
27:50
Speaker 2: leave them alone on the weekends.
27:51
Speaker 6: That I don't know about that. It was one of
27:54
Speaker 6: those things where Johnny, for whatever reason, and men of
27:57
Speaker 6: his generation thought it was totally fine for the husband.
28:00
Speaker 6: There was nothing they would say, it was nothing emotional
28:02
Speaker 6: about it, just physical. But if their wives did it
28:04
Speaker 6: for whatever reason, it was like the worst thing that
28:07
Speaker 6: they could possibly do. But yeah, Joanne was probably not
28:10
Speaker 6: smart about that. And then she of course moved to
28:13
Speaker 6: California and moved with Truman Capodi, who also has neighbors
28:17
Speaker 6: with Johnny and the un Plausa. Can you believe this?
28:20
Speaker 6: Bobby Kennedy, Truman, Capodi, David Suskin, Angela Lansbury, Yule Brenner.
28:25
Speaker 6: I mean, it was just a cavalcade of talent in
28:28
Speaker 6: this one place. And then yeah, Truman Capodi in White
28:31
Speaker 6: Number two moved to la and they lived there until
28:33
Speaker 6: they passed away.
28:34
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well that un Plaza back in nineteen sixty four
28:37
Speaker 2: sixty five, that was the premier apartment building of New York.
28:40
Speaker 6: It really wise, I mean it was. It was That's
28:43
Speaker 6: where Johnny met Sonny Werblin, who owned the New York Jets,
28:46
Speaker 6: who became his business partner, and they opened the clothing
28:48
Speaker 6: line and made Johnny a rich ben.
28:50
Speaker 3: Wow.
28:51
Speaker 2: Now, hey, get the book. Most of it is positive
28:53
Speaker 2: and Johnny Carson, if you have exactly that's true, wonderful guy.
28:57
Speaker 2: We're just focusing on the bad stuff here first, because
28:59
Speaker 2: we got to it before, and there were people that
29:01
Speaker 2: got themselves banned from this to Night show because Johnny
29:04
Speaker 2: would have a problem with him. Right.
29:06
Speaker 6: You know, I talked to four hundred people. When I'm
29:08
Speaker 6: talking to people that were on the very first show,
29:10
Speaker 6: like mel Brooks, to people that were, you know, one
29:12
Speaker 6: of the last guest in nineteen ninety to so you
29:15
Speaker 6: have thirty years of people. The one thing Carson did
29:18
Speaker 6: the test it was rudeness, especially to his staff, and
29:22
Speaker 6: he was, you know, from Nebraska, and he was very
29:24
Speaker 6: much about having good manners. And Jerry Lewis was really
29:27
Speaker 6: rude to Carson's staff, and Carson said, he is never
29:30
Speaker 6: coming back. He would not tolerate rudeness. He would not
29:35
Speaker 6: tolerate comedians coming on for that we're debuting that did
29:39
Speaker 6: material that might offend his audience. So unfortunately, Ellen DeGeneres
29:43
Speaker 6: on her third appearance, did an offensive joke that Carson
29:46
Speaker 6: asked her not to do, and she did it, and
29:47
Speaker 6: she was banned on the show from the show. So
29:49
Speaker 6: there were a bunch of people, maybe like thirty people
29:53
Speaker 6: that were not welcomed on the show anymore. I mean,
29:56
Speaker 6: William Shatner was somebody that wouldn't let Johnny get a
29:58
Speaker 6: word in, and Johnny and tested that and then Shatner
30:01
Speaker 6: turned his back to Carson to talk to the previous guests,
30:04
Speaker 6: Buddy Hackett and then Shatner. Back then, you weren't allowed
30:07
Speaker 6: to believe it or not to you remember this, You
30:08
Speaker 6: weren't allowed to say what network your show was on
30:11
Speaker 6: unless it was NBC, they say, on another network. And
30:13
Speaker 6: of course Shatner says, watched me Saturday nights on ABC TJ. Hooker.
30:18
Speaker 6: So Johnny basically said, three strikes, you're out, and we
30:20
Speaker 6: go into everyone that was banned and why they were banned.
30:23
Speaker 6: Rich little to this, almost to this day would he
30:28
Speaker 6: asked me, why do you know why I was banned?
30:30
Speaker 6: And I was able with my reporting to figure that
30:33
Speaker 6: out why these people we were gone from Carson's show,
30:36
Speaker 6: and even his friend Carl Sagan, the famous astronomer, unfortunately
30:40
Speaker 6: after ten or twelve appearances, was banned from the show.
30:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he remained friends with him. He'd still go
30:45
Speaker 2: to dinner with him.
30:47
Speaker 6: He did. Unfortunately, he interrupted Carson twice during this segment
30:52
Speaker 6: to correct him, and it was very abrupt, and Johnny
30:54
Speaker 6: was embarrassed and thought it was poor manners. And he
30:56
Speaker 6: never had him on. He did stay friends with him,
30:59
Speaker 6: you know, he would have did with Carl Sagan. He
31:02
Speaker 6: with Jim Fowler, the wildlife expert. He went to San
31:05
Speaker 6: Diego to see the animals with joanah Embery at the
31:08
Speaker 6: San Diegoo. Just a really, really interested man in how
31:12
Speaker 6: things work. He really loved New York. I mean he
31:16
Speaker 6: pitched to Mickey Mantle in nineteen sixty two on the
31:18
Speaker 6: Tonight Show. He played with the Jets at the Polo Grounds.
31:22
Speaker 6: He was diving out of planes. I mean, Mark, you
31:25
Speaker 6: and I talk about Johnny in the New York years.
31:27
Speaker 6: Unfortunately most of that footage is gone. But Johnny was
31:31
Speaker 6: on a different level, jumping out of airplanes, racing an
31:35
Speaker 6: Indiana motor speedway with Hernelli Jones, going over one hundred
31:39
Speaker 6: miles an hour. It's a really, really fun thirty years
31:42
Speaker 6: to look at.
31:43
Speaker 2: Well, it's a great book. I urge everybody to get it,
31:45
Speaker 2: the new book, and it's got all kinds of great
31:47
Speaker 2: things about Johnny Carson and everything you never knew about him.
31:50
Speaker 2: It's fascinating. It's called Love Johnny Carson by Mark Malkoff. Now,
31:55
Speaker 2: for those are going to write to me, what was
31:57
Speaker 2: the name of that place? Love Johnny Carson by Mark Malkoff.
32:01
Speaker 2: Get the book. You're gonna love it. And listen to
32:04
Speaker 2: the Carson Podcast. He's got four hundred episodes that are amazing.
32:07
Speaker 2: But get the book, Love Johnny Carson, Mark Malkoff. It's
32:10
Speaker 2: on Amazon. Mark Malcoff, We'll do it again soon. Thanks
32:13
Speaker 2: for being with us.
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Speaker 6: I would love that yet. We have some new episodes
32:16
Speaker 6: coming out and always good talking to you. Mark. Thank
32:18
Speaker 6: you so much.
32:18
Speaker 2: All right, take care. Hey, don't forget. Curtis is now
32:22
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