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#2563 - Dan Richards · The Joe Rogan Experience

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Danny. Hey, Joe.
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  Speaker 2: Good to see you, brother. Good to see you again, man.
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  Speaker 2: So right off the bat, you hand me this Smithsonian pamphlet.
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  Speaker 2: It's like a very small book on Peruvian elongated skulls,
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  Speaker 2: including like diagrams.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, not Peruvian. These are from the Pacific Northwest.
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: This is one of the things where I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: really bring up to you. The majority of the elongated
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  Speaker 1: skulls in recorded history are from Washington State.
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Now, are these manipulated skulls? Yes, sir.
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  Speaker 1: They were manipulated by people. As a matter of fact,
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  Speaker 1: when Lewis and Clark reached the Columbia River, they passed
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  Speaker 1: the Cascade Mountains. All of the Native Americans west of
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  Speaker 1: the Cascades had artificially modified skulls. Look at the title
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  Speaker 1: of the book, The Chinook Sign of Freedom. If you
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  Speaker 1: didn't have an artificially modified skull, you.
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  Speaker 2: Were a slave. Whoa. The Chinook sign of free sign
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  Speaker 2: of freedom. A study of the skulls of the famous chief.
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  Speaker 2: How do you say his name?
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  Speaker 1: Concomly.
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  Speaker 2: Concomly.
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  Speaker 1: And he was he was he met with Lewis and
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  Speaker 1: Clark during the during their expedition. And he was as
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  Speaker 1: famous as Sacagawea was 100 years ago.
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  Speaker 2: But he's just disappeared. Disappeared.
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  Speaker 1: He had an artificially elongated skull. A bunch of images
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  Speaker 1: talk about it. He attributed his intellect to his artificially
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  Speaker 1: elongated skull.
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  Speaker 2: What? Yeah. How would you know, though? They don't. They
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  Speaker 2: did it when you were a baby. Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: But that's what they all believed. And there is actually
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  Speaker 1: something to this. One of the things that's really interesting
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  Speaker 1: that I've stumbled on is You know, Neanderthal, if you
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  Speaker 1: look at the difference between a Neanderthal brain case and
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  Speaker 1: a human brain case, there's a huge difference. I have
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  Speaker 1: an image, if you don't mind, Jamie, you can throw
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  Speaker 1: it up there if you don't care. But it's all
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  Speaker 1: in the back. It's like there's a thing called Chiari
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  Speaker 1: malformation type 1, where the base of your cerebellum falls
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  Speaker 1: into your spinal cord, and it causes migraines and all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of stuff. And scientists now are saying that it
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  Speaker 1: probably came from Us and Neanderthal, brain case, skull, not
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  Speaker 1: quite fitting. And if you think about it, it actually
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  Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense, right? I mean, the Neanderthal
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  Speaker 1: skull is way wide in the back. And that's where
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  Speaker 1: all of your motor skills, your smelling, your seeing, your hearing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were more primitive. They were probably super athletes.
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  Speaker 2: And the weird question is, like, were they smart? And
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  Speaker 2: how smart were they? Like, their frontal lobe is not
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  Speaker 2: as big as ours, correct?
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  Speaker 3: Correct.
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  Speaker 2: And that's where all the thought processing and decision making
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  Speaker 2: comes from. So they probably had insane athletic ability.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, absolutely. And motor skills and visual ability.
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  Speaker 2: The visual ability is important because look at the size
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  Speaker 2: of their eye sockets.
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  Speaker 1: Now, imagine if you wanted the best of both worlds.
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  Speaker 1: So you were breeding these two species together.
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  Speaker 2: Look at the jaw on that motherfucker. Imagine trying to
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  Speaker 2: knock that guy out.
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  Speaker 1: Forget about it. They had chests like barrels, too. It's
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  Speaker 1: like they all look like you do naturally. They don't
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  Speaker 1: have to lift. They're just that way.
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  Speaker 2: They probably look a lot more impressive than me.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the guy on the left, he looked like me naturally.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, do you remember that one? I think it's
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  Speaker 2: just nonsense. But there's this one guy who proposed the
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  Speaker 2: idea of Neanderthals being like gorilla-looking, like super predators. And
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  Speaker 2: he thought that the eyes were bigger so they could
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  Speaker 2: see at night. And he had like this crazy.
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  Speaker 1: They were eating us all, yes.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right, right. Very sensationalist nonsense.
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  Speaker 1: And the genetic evidence is, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that guy. Yes. It was fucking dope though. It
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  Speaker 2: is cool.
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  Speaker 1: I love it.
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  Speaker 2: Seeing the dark, you know, like primate lives in the
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  Speaker 2: woods and was like infinitely stronger than us. Like it
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  Speaker 2: just rip our arms, right? Like gorilla strong.
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  Speaker 1: But not smart enough that you could like, hey, man,
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  Speaker 1: can you please?
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: He's just going to eat you.
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  Speaker 2: But also, oddly enough, has a skull that has a
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  Speaker 2: larger capacity than us. And so then we have to think, okay,
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  Speaker 2: is it just motor skills? What do we know about
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  Speaker 2: the brains of dolphins? Well, we know that their brain
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  Speaker 2: capacity is quite a bit larger. I think their cerebral cortex,
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  Speaker 2: I think, is like 40% larger than a person's. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: something like that. Something crazy like that. So what is that? Like,
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  Speaker 2: what's going on with them? Like, how are they so
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  Speaker 2: much more intelligent than us, but they just can't manipulate
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  Speaker 2: their environment. So we ignore it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that could be it also could be a degree
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  Speaker 1: of chemistry that they can't. You know, I mean, you
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  Speaker 1: can't do fire underwater, really. So you're kind of stuck
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  Speaker 1: with your technological stuff. There's no manipulation.
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  Speaker 2: Right. So all of their intellect must go into other areas.
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  Speaker 1: Social and hunting.
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  Speaker 2: But then you find out how horrible they are to
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  Speaker 2: each other. You know what I mean? Like the infanticide,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like dolphins, female dolphins are very promiscuous. And
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  Speaker 2: the reason why they're promiscuous is because if the male
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  Speaker 2: doesn't know if the cubs are his or not, if
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  Speaker 2: he thinks they might be his, he's not going to
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  Speaker 2: kill the cubs. But if a female has cubs, the
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  Speaker 2: male will kill the cubs so the female will breed again.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, hey. I thought you guys were like the
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  Speaker 2: super peaceful fucking smart ones.
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  Speaker 1: Sounds like kind of like us.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know a lot of guys who are
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  Speaker 2: killing babies so that the women will breed again. But
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  Speaker 2: it gets close.
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  Speaker 1: Chimpanzees do it.
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  Speaker 2: Do they do that? Yeah, they do that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Bears do that. Bears do two things, they think. They think, one,
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  Speaker 2: they eat cubs to force the female into breeding again. But, two,
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  Speaker 2: they think they just do it for food. Which is dark.
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  Speaker 1: That's... yeah, that's arachnid levels of dark, right?
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  Speaker 2: Cannibalism is dark. Always. And bears are all cannibals. And
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  Speaker 2: this is the thing about people in the anthropomorph, anthropomorphification.
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  Speaker 2: Is that the word?
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  Speaker 1: How do you say it? Anthropomorphification.
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  Speaker 2: Anthropomorphification. I always, I want to, I want to say pro,
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  Speaker 2: but it's po, right? Anthropomorph.
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  Speaker 1: Anthropomorph.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think you're right. Um, whatever it is, people
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  Speaker 2: humanizing animals. The weirdest one I think is bears. And like,
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  Speaker 2: You can train bears. There's bears at the circus. They're
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  Speaker 2: an interesting animal. But in the wild, they are some
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  Speaker 2: of the fucking most brutal and ruthless creatures. It's basically
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  Speaker 2: almost like a giant wild dog. And they tear things apart.
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  Speaker 2: And they eat things while they're still alive. They don't care.
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  Speaker 2: They don't care. They're fucking horrible. They're horrible to each other.
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  Speaker 2: They go into dens and pull out cubs and eat them. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Just a different set of morality, I guess you could say,
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  Speaker 1: or lack thereof. But, yeah, I'm glad I'm not a
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  Speaker 1: bear because I'd probably.
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  Speaker 2: Have been eaten as a cub. Or you would have
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  Speaker 2: been hit by a car.
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  Speaker 1: Or I'd have been hit by a car.
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  Speaker 2: That's the rough one.
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  Speaker 1: Or caught in a trap and trained to be a
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  Speaker 1: dancing ballerina bear or some shit, standing on a ball.
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  Speaker 2: The ancient humans, though, to me, are like— I feel like
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  Speaker 2: this is a— This is an emerging topic. Even though
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  Speaker 2: we've known about Neanderthals for so long, now that they
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  Speaker 2: know about Denisovans, now that they know about Homo floriensis.
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  Speaker 2: How do you say that? Floriensis?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That one?
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  Speaker 1: Pronunciation.
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  Speaker 2: Island of Flores, man. The hobbit people. Now they know, okay,
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  Speaker 2: we've got two very distinct human beings that lived with
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  Speaker 2: humans that aren't Homo sapiens. And the Denisovans one is
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  Speaker 2: fucking super weird. They're big. They're big.
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  Speaker 1: They were taller than us.
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  Speaker 2: And they're bigger heads, like very almost like Neanderthal.
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  Speaker 1: Some of the stuff that I got to talk about
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  Speaker 1: here is like polydactyly, multiple fingers, more than five fingers
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  Speaker 1: and toes on each hand.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: That's in the Bible. They talk about the giant.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Polydactyly, if there's a gene, G-I, could you pull up
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  Speaker 1: the one that says polydactyly paper, please?
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: It's they've been studying this and there's a gene that
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  Speaker 1: Neanderthal and Denisovans had a variant that increases polydactyly. It increases, um, uh,
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  Speaker 1: cranial deformations. It increases a bunch of stuff. Um, this is,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they, and this is, uh, and this is
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  Speaker 1: all newer stuff. You see that's 2023. And there's, this
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  Speaker 1: is huge.
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  Speaker 2: I saw your video on this, where you talked about
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  Speaker 2: there's one family in Brazil. that has, like, most of
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  Speaker 2: their family members have six fingers and six toes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they say it helps them.
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  Speaker 2: Of course. Of course. I can grab the ball better.
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  Speaker 2: I can play an extra string, right?
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Imagine guitar, extra finger. That's nuts.
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  Speaker 1: You could even be an ugly dude and seduce a
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  Speaker 1: woman when you got an extra finger.
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  Speaker 2: Good luck. Chicks don't want to have kids with a
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  Speaker 2: guy who has fucking six fingers. That's a freak kid.
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  Speaker 2: In South America, they actually honored that stuff. Of course.
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  Speaker 1: They honored... Genetic deformations. I honestly believe that they were
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  Speaker 1: actively breeding different bloodlines together in South America.
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  Speaker 2: Look at that baby. It's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: It is.
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  Speaker 2: It's got five fingers and a thumb. That's crazy. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the thing is, they look absolutely normal in every other way,
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  Speaker 2: except the fact that they have five fingers instead of four.
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  Speaker 2: And it would take you a few seconds to... It's
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  Speaker 2: almost like you're living in the Matrix and this is
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  Speaker 2: like an AI glitch. You know, like AI glitches. They
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  Speaker 2: would have people that have like additional appendages. Like a
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  Speaker 2: weird elbow growing off your elbow. You know, because it
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  Speaker 2: just glitched. The clat walks by. Oh, yeah. Like it
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  Speaker 2: would take you a while before you– like imagine if
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  Speaker 2: you were high and you went over to this lady's
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  Speaker 2: house and you saw her playing piano. And you're like,
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  Speaker 2: wait a minute. Why is there so many noises? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Slow down with the notes.
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  Speaker 2: How do you have so many fingers? Wait a minute.
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  Speaker 2: You have extra fingers? Like this dude had special gloves.
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  Speaker 1: That's some expensive ass gloves right there.
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  Speaker 2: Bro, he must be a motherfucker of a goalie. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: of course. Right? It's the greatest skill for goalies.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but a lot of extra space, but sure.
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  Speaker 2: More space. You cover it up. Definitely better if you
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  Speaker 2: could teach him how to punch. You have a whole
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  Speaker 2: other finger that, like, the width of the hands would
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  Speaker 2: be greater, the weight of the hands would be greater.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the guitar players say it's not the extra finger
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  Speaker 1: as much as it is the extra stretch, the extra
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  Speaker 1: reach that lets them pop a couple.
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  Speaker 2: Extra frets down. Oh, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: That makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: Especially, like, long fingers.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, the guitar is still made for a five-fingered player, right?
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  Speaker 2: Right. So, yeah, it's not... Well, you can figure out
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  Speaker 2: how to do it with six.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Look what Hendrix did. He flipped his guitar upside down,
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  Speaker 1: played it left-handed. Like a Stevie Ray Vaughan, local hero, right?
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  Speaker 2: Right, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Turn that thing and stand. You've seen the Live at
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  Speaker 1: El Macomber one where he takes his $ 15, 000 Stratocaster, stands
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  Speaker 1: on the horns, and he's rocking the neck back and forth.
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  Speaker 2: Whoa.
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  Speaker 1: Pops the string, just pick.
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  Speaker 2: Don't even care. Just go. Wow. It's not a toy.
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  Speaker 1: It's not an instrument. It's a damn toy.
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  Speaker 2: It's a tool. Yeah. Anyway.
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  Speaker 1: I got gush about that guy for a bit. I
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  Speaker 1: like Stevie.
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  Speaker 2: He's pretty good. We have posters or photos of him
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  Speaker 2: from when he was on stage at the club way
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  Speaker 2: before we owned it. Oh, really? Yeah. He was on
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  Speaker 2: that stage in like the 80s. Oh, wow. I think
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  Speaker 2: the picture's from 83.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I popped into Antone's a couple of times just
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  Speaker 1: to smell the air.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Antone's is dope. That's a great place. I've seen
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  Speaker 2: Gary perform. Gary Clark Jr. performed there a few times.
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  Speaker 2: It's fucking sick.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I haven't got to watch a show there every
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  Speaker 1: time I'm in town. It was up to no good.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm going to have to catch a show there
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  Speaker 1: one of these nights.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. We did it and everybody got COVID. The whole crew,
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  Speaker 2: everyone backstage got COVID. Really?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: One of their guys had COVID after the show. It
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  Speaker 2: was like during the full lockdown. And they had a concert.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I can't believe we're at a concert.
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  Speaker 2: And then we went backstage. We're hanging out in the
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  Speaker 2: green room. And then everybody got COVID. I am not
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  Speaker 2: a fan. Yeah, except me. I didn't get it. Again,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't get it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. Something that I wanted to talk
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  Speaker 1: about on this anyway, so we may as well get
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: into it now, is the COVID thing. You know, they
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  Speaker 1: weaponized scientific literacy when they said trust the science on
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  Speaker 1: the jab. There's a lot of things worth talking about,
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  Speaker 1: but the whole war on science, like I get called
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  Speaker 1: a science denier a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Fuck that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a science gatekeeper. You don't get to call it
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  Speaker 1: science if it ain't science. You stop at the door.
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  Speaker 1: Science is a method. It's a way we get somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: It's not the end result. Carl Sagan said, science is
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  Speaker 1: more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of thinking,
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  Speaker 1: a way of skeptically interrogating the universe. The average time
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  Speaker 1: for a peer review for a test on a vaccine
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  Speaker 1: is about 10 years. You crank it out in a
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  Speaker 1: year and a half. You haven't followed the proper fucking steps.
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  Speaker 1: You haven't done science. I'm not a science denier.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not.
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  Speaker 1: I just do it right and come back.
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  Speaker 2: Right. It's not a coincidence that there was so much
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  Speaker 2: money involved.
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  Speaker 1: Hmm.
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  Speaker 2: We're not stupid. No. We know why. It wasn't done
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  Speaker 2: because there was no other methods to treat this disease.
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  Speaker 2: That's ridiculous. It's not true. And that's why they got
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  Speaker 2: so mad at me.
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  Speaker 1: That's where I was going to go with it. Your doctor,
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  Speaker 1: they threw your personal physicians under the bus, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't know anything about that except for that I can't extrapolate.
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  Speaker 1: I can guess and say that the guy that your
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  Speaker 1: personal physicians probably wants to keep that job probably doesn't
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  Speaker 1: want to see you croak from COVID. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: could be wrong. But, you know, it seemed really just
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  Speaker 1: ridiculous that it was like, oh, they're just pushing a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of pseudoscience bullshit.
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  Speaker 2: That you could look at it that way. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: everyone was scared. And it's not their fault that they,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they were presented with this pandemic that caused
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  Speaker 2: people a lot of anxiety. But what was shocking to
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  Speaker 2: me was how few people were willing to say, what
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  Speaker 2: did that guy do? Instead of saying, oh, my God,
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  Speaker 2: you're anti-science. You're promoting vaccine hesitancy. You didn't get vaccinated
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  Speaker 2: and you survived COVID and you're telling everybody how you
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  Speaker 2: did it. This is anti-science. But it happened.
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  Speaker 1: Instead they told you you were using a horse dewormer.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Well, that was completely insane. That's just proof of propaganda.
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  Speaker 2: But even without that proof of propaganda, you also have
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  Speaker 2: this thing. Like if we are all trying to get
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  Speaker 2: through something and you see someone who is a very
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  Speaker 2: public person. I'm online all the time. I have millions
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  Speaker 2: of subscribers, right? So I'm very scrutinized. And everyone knows
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  Speaker 2: that I work out all the time. Everyone knows I
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  Speaker 2: take vitamins. I talk about it all the time. Cold
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  Speaker 2: plunges and fucking hyperbaric chambers and all this different shit.
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  Speaker 2: Why wouldn't they say, oh, apparently if you're really healthy
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  Speaker 2: and you do these things and for maybe whatever reason
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  Speaker 2: you can't get vaccinated, this works too. There was never
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  Speaker 2: even a consideration, right? Even let's assume the vaccine worked,
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  Speaker 2: which didn't, which assumed that it prevented infection, which it didn't,
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  Speaker 2: prevented transmission, which it didn't, and didn't have any side effects,
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  Speaker 2: which is certainly not true. So let's pretend it did.
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  Speaker 2: Even then, you have people that are allergic to some
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  Speaker 2: of the ingredients in the vaccine, right? Aaron Rodgers was
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  Speaker 2: one of them. And so if you tell those people, hey,
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  Speaker 2: I understand that this medicine that works you can't take.
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  Speaker 2: But here is a guy who did something different and
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  Speaker 2: was fine. Like, this is okay, too.
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  Speaker 1: Instead, they shut all that down, demonetized people, closed channels down.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: It was bad.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: It was interesting.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: It was interesting. You know, it's funny watching it from
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: hindsight because we can look at it now and see where,
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: you know, everything's kind of settled afterwards to a degree.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: But even still, like, for example, the Fauci hearings, nobody–
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: who was a big supporter of his that I know personally,
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: knew about that until I told him about it. It
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: was like it just didn't show up in their fucking radar.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: They don't want to know about it.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: Of course not.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, nobody wants to think that they were completely
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: wrong about that.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: And that was one of the things they did whip
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: everybody up into a fury.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, when you're wrong about something, you got to say, well,
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: I was wrong about that for sure.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: That's really honestly part and parcel, not just to being
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: an honest person, but like, especially if you're in science.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: You know, like, Your boy, your favorite archaeologist who's not
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: a scientist, that Flint Dibble guy, he recently did a
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: thing where he was making fun of me. And he's
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: like pulls up this thing talking about Easter Island and
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: how Easter Island's earliest habitable layer has foodstuffs from South
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: America and Asia. So like as far back as people
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: were hitting Easter Island that we're aware of, they were
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: hitting both of these continents a thousand years ago. So
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: I mentioned this Flint. Clip said, he's like, this is bullshit.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: This Dan's confidently wrong. He's fully shit. Five minutes later
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: in this live stream, he catches that that is accurate. Well,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: actually there is evidence of contact between the two, but
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: he never mentions that it was on Easter. He saves
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: his face rather than any, I mean, that's not like
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: a big surprise thing, but the point is, is that
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: if you're.
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  Speaker 2: This is what I also think. I think there's all
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: this personal stuff that goes on with these people that
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: is so completely unnecessary. And I think the only reason
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: why archaeologists get dismissed by these, whatever you would call yourself,
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: amateur archaeologists.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Interested amateurs.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Interested amateurs in all things life and looking at the
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: data and looking at the science of it. And you're
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: really good at it.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: I appreciate that. That should be an asset. That's all
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: that should be. That should be an asset to the archaeologists.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: And if you think they're wrong about something, you should
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: talk to them. Now, I think when he had that
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: conversation with Graham, I think that's the right way to
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: do it. I don't think necessarily he did it in
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: good faith. And I think he wanted to, you know,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: push a certain narrative. And one of the narratives was
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: the thing that disturbed me the most was he was
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: trying to label Graham as racist for proposing these theories
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: that there's an advanced civilization that existed before the one
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: that we currently see. Yeah. I don't think that it
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: can be racist. It's human beings. It's not just human beings.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: It's human beings specifically that live in the very area
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: where those human beings live.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: So it's their ancestors. So the ancestors of Africans are
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: the ones who built the pyramids, right? Whoever the fuck
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: they were, whether they were the people of 2500 BC
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: or whether it was even earlier than that, whatever it was,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: it was the people that live right there. The same people.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: So this is crazy. Well, the whole thing is, this
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: is what's really funny.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Atlantis.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Well, they say, you assume that Atlanteans were white. Ergo.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: It's only the brown people buildings that you ask questions about.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: You're not asking questions about the Colosseum. It's like, okay, well,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: the Colosseum has written records. So I know why the
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Colosseum was built, when it was built, the Parthenon, same thing.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: But you know what I don't know about that was
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: built by white people supposedly?
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Baalbek.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Baalbek was supposedly built by Romans. We're all doing it
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: there too. It has nothing to do with color. It
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: has everything to do with written records. They ignore this.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: One of my favorite things to throw out.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: And Baalbek has no written records of the.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Not of the Trilophons.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Of the big stuff. Exactly. And how do you not
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: write that down? You wrote down everything. Everything. The Romans
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: wrote everything down. They had scribes. Their job was to
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: document everything. They were very concentrated on history. Yeah. Yeah.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: We went off about this when me and Jimmy Corsetti
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: were here.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Yes. But talking about.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Like the Roman foot.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Well, if Jimmy's right, Atlantis was in sub-Saharan Africa. It's Africans.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Well, I think honestly that I think Atlantis is kind
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: of a catch-all term for a lost civilization that was globe-spanning.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: And like they would call us 10,000 years from now,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: they would just lump us in with the damn French
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: and call us the electronic civilization. And with the exception
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: of GSP, I don't want to be associated with the
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: damn French.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: No. I'm kidding. There's a lot of dope French people.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: I love Montreal. I love it up there.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Speaking of, GSP is going to be at that event.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, is he?
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: He's the best. I love that he's doing a podcast.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: He's a very fascinated guy. He's fascinated and curious about
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: so many things, and he's kind, and he's open-minded, and
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: he's really intelligent. He is so odd. Like, when people
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: meet him, and I go, do you know who that is?
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: And they go, no. He's a really nice guy. I'm like,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: that is one of the greatest cage fighters that ever lived.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: They're like, no way. I go, one of the all-time greats,
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: if not the all-time great. I think Jon Jones is
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: the all-time great. But I think He's in the conversation.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: George is in the conversation of one of the greatest
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: that's ever done it. Meanwhile, he's the sweetest, nicest guy.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Dude, I made a comment once to him on Instagram
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: where he was like doing these leg workouts. And I
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: was like, my legs will never look like that because
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: I'm sitting on a computer all day smoking weed and reading.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: And he goes, I trade my legs for your brain
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: any day. And I'm just like, shut the fuck up.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Your legs have made you millions. What the hell are
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: you talking.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: About, boy? Well, everybody wants what they don't have, you know.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: He's going to have me on his pod here on
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: the 17th, too.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, cool.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Because he's going to be here the 16th through 18th
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: or that thing.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: At the ACL Live. Yeah, tell everybody this thing that
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: you're doing.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Here at the Quest for Ancient Civilizations Conference, October 16th
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: through 18th at the ACL Live here in Austin, Texas.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: It'll be me, Randall Carlson. Base Forge, you just had
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: him on here, Bass Forgey. And a few other guys. Yeah,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: this thing. It's got a bunch of AI. See the
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: AI-generated Amish dude in the middle there?
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: That's me. Look at all the pseudoscience on one picture.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: I love it. Oh, man. Yeah.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: It's just like Duncan.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: It's going to be.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: That doesn't look like Duncan at all. That's like Duncan
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: on TRT.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: But Kurt and Duncan are going to be there, the
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: mystery boys. Those guys will be. Those guys are always fun.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: You hear Randall Carlson has a rap song out now? Yes, yes.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Not Randall. I'm sorry, Billy. Billy Carson.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, Randall. I didn't know what he released.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: I could put one out together.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Randall has a rap.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: My brain got scrambled. Randall has a rap song?
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: When we were in Sedona, Arizona, him and I were
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: sharing an Airbnb, and he wrote it in the late 80s.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: He was spitting bars at me over breakfast. I was
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: just going, God fucking damn, this was not on my
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: bingo card.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Whoa.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Randall Carlson rapping at me for breakfast. Randall Carlson is
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: a hip-hop head? From the late 80s.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: How do I not know that? Poor Jamie.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: I should look it up or not.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Poor Jamie blowing the fuck away over here. Randall Carlson hip-hop, please.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Put that into perplexity. Ask our AI sponsor perplexity what
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Randall Carlson's history in hip-hop is. That would be dope,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: watching fucking Santa Claus spitting bars like that. I'm telling you, man.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I was still drinking coffee and nursing my morning bowl,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: and I was like, well, holy shit.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: This is the real world? Yeah. Yeah, crazy.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that's going to be a fun thing. GSP
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: is going to be there now. He just got officially
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: 100% confirmed about an hour ago.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: That's fantastic.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that's going to be a lot of fun.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: But I'm going to be talking a lot.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Tickets are available for that. You can get them online.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, tickets are available. You can get them online. The
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Quest for Ancient Civilization. Thanks. Quest for Ancient Civilizations. If
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: you go to my YouTube, there'll be stuff on there. Yeah,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: if you look for Quest for Ancient Civilizations, you will
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: have no.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Trouble finding it. So this conference, available online. People can
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: get tickets. Looks like a dope lineup. And it's all
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: the stuff that I love to talk about. Yeah. Sick.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: I jokingly called it the Rogan Trinity when we got GSP.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: We've got the pyramids. We've got the comedy. We've got
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: the ass whooping. We hit all three.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: So these people, let's go back to this Smithsonian thing,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: these people with their altered heads. Absolutely. Is it your
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: suspicion that they were altering their heads to try to
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: appear like people that were already here, like the Peruvian skulls?
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: No, before I thought– oh, go ahead. Sorry.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: No, go ahead.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Before I thought that, but– because like there's skulls in
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: China that were originally mistaken for Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal and stuff,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: like old– and now they say they're artificially modified by people.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: But now I think, could you pull up the image
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: for Chiari malformation? It's got two heads with one circle,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: like two CAT scans. I was talking about the brain
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: falling down into the thing. They believe that this is
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: a problem from Neanderthal and or Denisovan mingling with us.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Skull too small, brain too big. So now if you
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: have this consistent problem, you've always got pressure on the brain.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: See how it pops down there? You've always got this
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: pressure on the brain. Now imagine if you You might
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: drill holes in your head like you've seen all the
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: truncation that's happened down there. There's an image of that.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Or you might elongate the back of the skull every
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: generation so that your kids don't have the same fucking
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: headaches grandpa did. And so it becomes a thing. And
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: this is why if you check out South America, Paracas
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: is insane this way. They have so many things, the polydactyly.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: the elongated skulls, the trephination. There's a thing, could you
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: pull up the Inca bone one? Where your skulls meld,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: the plates in the skull meld in the back. If
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: there is stress or a lack of equilibrium, you'll end
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: up what they call fermion bones. Ones in the back
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: are wormian bones. The ones in the back are so pronounced.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: These are called Inca bones because they happen mostly in
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Inca territory. You also see it at Easter Island, the
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest, and in Asia. But this part of the
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: skull right there Um, there's one that's got a Neanderthal
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: that shows this too. Neanderthals had the same issue. There's
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: another one and there's an Island.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Uh, Oh Jesus.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Um, but yeah, the, uh, sorry, there's, uh, yeah, there's
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: one that's got my own head right now. There's one
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: with white text at the bottom, Jamie.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Sorry.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Um, but yeah, Neanderthal had it. Um, and it's a, uh, again,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: it's from a lack of equilibrium. They say it's from
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: the brain and the skull, not quite fitting.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: That makes sense.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: I think in South America, I think that they were
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: mingling different bloodlines. The same as you can look at
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: a guy that plays Reacher and tell that he's probably
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: got more Neanderthal in him than I do. And they
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: would mingle these bloodlines and then they would get all
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: kinds of different. There's a Neanderthal one. They would get
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: all kinds of different genetic variations. And I think some
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: of these were bad, but some of them were honored.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Like you've seen the Jaguar people of the Olmec.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Have you ever seen– could you pull up the dental
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: dysplasia one, the kid with the two fangs? There's dental things.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: It'll make you grow fangs as a child. And it
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: also quite often will give you a hair lip.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Jaguar? Whoa.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: And so, like, if you look– yeah. And so, like–
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: What are you– think that's from again this is for
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: is that some ancient shit where people used to have
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: teeth like that it's it's dna they're there again where
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: we cross mingle dna um there should be one uh
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: right there about the mouths with the uh paper sorry
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: i'll have to pull up the exact.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Right but those teeth that's not in any other human
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: primate that we've ever found.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: No that's it happens in ours but so it's just
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: a malformation a malformation that we have a lot of
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: that like the uh Some people just keep growing teeth, right?
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Or you get different bones in the head, different shapes
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: of the skull.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: I've seen the skulls, ancient skulls with rows of teeth. Yeah. Yeah.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Some of those, like, they don't know for sure how
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: many of those are legit, but there's definitely no question
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: that these things happen. That's, again, the real problem with
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: this is it becomes a cover-up.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: But a little bit ago, I mentioned that they were
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: all these elongated skulls in the Pacific Northwest. Mount Coffin
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: in Longview, Washington, when Colonel Charles Wilkes or Lieutenant Charles Wilkes,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: whose father happened to be a member of the Skull
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: and Bones Society in England, when he got to Longview, Washington,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: he saw Mount Coffin, this place where they had these
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: above ground burials and there were 3,000 of them. All
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: of them supposedly would have had elongated skulls because, again,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: if you don't have an elongated skull in that neck
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: of the woods, you weren't. A freeborn person, and this was,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: he had to be noble to be buried there. 3,000
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: elongated skulls. When he left, this campfire actually burnt the
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: place down. All those skulls disappeared. That image that Jamie
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: skipped past a little bit, he goes, this is a
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: dude sitting on a pile of bones. This is an
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Indian burial ground. They were just looting the things and
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: selling them. Left and right.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Where do you think those things are?
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: In people's hands.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: I've never heard of a story of a person having
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: an elongated skull in their private collection.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I have a couple of people that have commented on
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: my videos saying, like, I saw one at so-and-so's house
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: in 1978.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: But I'll give you the smoking gun.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: It makes sense though, right? If you're like some Rockefeller
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: type guy, you got a mansion in Rhode Island.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: It's funny you brought up Rockefeller. In the 30s, when
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Tello down in Paracas, he starts putting out, hey, we've
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: got these elongated skulls down there and I need money.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: He was getting $ 300 a year to take care of them.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Rockefeller gets wind and history says flat out, he took
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: an unexpected trip to Peru. He dropped three grand and
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: walked back with four bundles. Now, according to- That's it.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Three grand?
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And four grave bundles. That's 10 times what Tello
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: was getting a year. 10 times what the guy was
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: getting a year to take care of all of them.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: He coughs up four out of like 300 bundles. Now,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: those four bundles were supposedly displayed at the Met, supposedly
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: displayed at the National History Museum in New York. No
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: photos exist. No drawings exist. They may have been repatriated.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: They may not.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Not have been repatriated. Depends on who you ask. The
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: AI will run you in a damn circle of going
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: with it. At the end of the day, we don't
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: know what they look like, but I can tell you
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: this much. There's about 300 of those bundles to pick from.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: If one of them had great big old devil horns
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: and a third eye, do you think Rockefeller left it
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: or took it with him? fucking no-brainer shit right right
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: so the best of the best always gone and as
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: soon when rockefeller found out that he couldn't go get
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: the ones in the pacific northwest anymore but there was
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: some somewhere else he ran there and right now you
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: sent me the video just a little bit ago but
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: this is more there these skulls are disappearing off the
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: shelves in the museums right now yeah right as we
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: speak this this cover-up there's this cover-up i'm sure you've
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: seen the map um it A hundred years ago, they
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: drew a map of artificial cranial deformation. And then like
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: 10 years ago, they made another one. Both of these
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: are on peer-reviewed papers. And the older map has more information.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: There's more areas. They've erased. The island of Nui had it.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Ancient Hawaiian people had about 8.9% of them that they
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: dig up had elongated skulls. Nobody fucking talks about that.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Nobody knows about it. If you want to go look
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: at it, the answer is no.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: When you say ancient, like what year?
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Not sure, but it's when they dig them up and
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: they start doing it at prehistoric, they call it, but
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: prehistoric in Hawaii, you know, maybe a thousand years ago.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Wow. So this is all over the world. People are
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: doing that. Well, yeah. And then what you're saying about
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: the brain size and the base of the brain completely
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: makes sense.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Thank you. I mean, to me, it seems like the
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: most smoke. And not only does it smoke and gun,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: it's like it coincides with human evolution because what would be...
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Imagine you've got a Neanderthal and a Homo sapien. They're
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: talking to each other, trying to figure out a problem.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: And they both walk away from that with, like, mad
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: respect for the other person's ability to see what they don't.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't they want to mingle that? So, like, Jamie, could
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: you pull that picture that I got of that family tree? Um,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: it's just, it's like an empty blank white family tree.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: And then right after it's the, like, imagine if you
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: were trying to make a symbol to tell everybody, Hey,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: this is where we mingle bloodlines. So like, this is
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: a standard kind of thing.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: And could you pull up that condylabra next? So it
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: should be like, um, sorry. Uh, it's that same symbol
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: basically with the condylabra of the Andes. You've seen that, right? The,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: the condylabra of the Andes visible 12 miles out to sea. OK,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: if you think we're trying to draw the draw, we're
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: trying to draw the mingling of bloodlines. And here's a
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: symbol of where we're doing it. Fucking doesn't it? I mean,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: does that kind of look uncanny? And then can you
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: pull up that Paracas textile, Jamie? This one even more.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: This is when they buried people in Paracas. This was
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: they put them in these textiles and this one textile.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Look there back. They look at what they did. Try
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: to translate that and keep in mind what I was
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: just telling you.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Okay. It looks like a monkey on either side and
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: then a person in the middle. And it looks like
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: there's some sort of a transference of something through the
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: top of their heads.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Well, that's upside down.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's upside down. First of all, it looks like
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: they did DMT. Well, clearly. It looks like they did.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: There's hours of ayahuasca right there, buddy.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: 100% they were on DMT. But that does look like
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: two monkeys, right? It looks like they have tails, doesn't it? Yeah,
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: it does. And then the one in the middle looks
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: like the bad motherfucker. That's the boss.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: That's pregnant.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: I've met that guy before. Yeah. I have. I met
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: that guy. I met that guy over there.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: But you see that? Notice in the middle of the thing,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: he's got something in his tummy. I mean, if you
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: think about the same line of reasoning, we're mixing different
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: bloodlines to make something more. That image kind of seems to.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Also, they always have three fingers and three toes. And
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: then you get to the tridactyl mummies. And I do. Yeah,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: look at the monkeys. I don't know what to think
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: about the tridactyl mummies.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Neither do I. It's honestly like I'm of the opinion
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: now that I think that the genetic stuff they were
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: doing in South America, down in Peru, created a lot
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: of artificial, created a lot of natural weird problems. And
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: some of them would be. like misshapen skulls. And then
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: I think they would wrap the heads to artificially modify them.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: And I think that's why down there they get so
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: crazy looking is because it's a combination of genetics and
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: of artificially playing with it.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: The rest of the world, they don't get.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: So do you think maybe they had like a bulbous
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: roundish head but extra large? Because there's those skulls as
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: well that seem to be not deformed, but they do
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: have a larger brain capacity.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the ones that are bulbous in the back, that's
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: the most common type of cranial deformation that you see.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: It's what Concomly's skull, the chief that I was showing you, defecates.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Can you pull that one up, please, Jamie?
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: So bulbous in the back, bulbous, yeah. That's huge.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, that would keep it. And now notice,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: even back 100 years ago, that picture that he was
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: just showing, the other photograph, why isn't his skull elongated?
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Well, it's hard to tell because he's looking straight on.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: It could be.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: All of the artistic work of him is lacking that
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: for some reason.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Right, but couldn't you see that if some, well, that
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: one looks pretty elongated. God, go back to that. That's crazy.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Imagine meeting those dudes. You'd be like, yo, what are you?
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: And look, they're doing it to the baby right there. Oh,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: the poor kid. Imagine being a baby. You're fucking strapped
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: into that thing. Oh, man.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: In this book here, it quotes from a book called
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Astoria that used to be required reading up where I live.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: And the guy that witnessed one of these kids being,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: their head binding, it said that their eyes bulged out
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: of their skull like a mouse caught in a trap.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: So when you think about that, honestly, but if your
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: kid was going to have migraines incessantly for the rest
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: of their life, you might just do that anyway.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess they had to do it if you're right.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: If you're right about the base of the brain, which
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: kind of tracks. But to me, the capacity of the
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: skulls being so much larger in some of the Peruvian
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: skulls is weird. It is.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: It's a funny one, too, because these guys will argue
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: back and forth. You'll get a lot of skeptics that
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: say there is no larger capacity, but The guys that
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: measure it claim that there is, and the other guys
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: that measure it claim it's.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Well, that one that we always show all the time, Jimmy,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: that one that I'm really fascinated by, that one image,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: it's so big. It's so big. It's so crazy. You're
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: looking at it, and you're like, what is that? Imagine
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: meeting that guy. You would be freaked out. That would
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: not look at all like a person. You would think, oh,
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: my God, this guy's from another planet. Yeah, exactly. And
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: then there's the sagittal suture thing. Some of them don't
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: have the sagittal suture that we have. Yeah.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: That's, yeah, again, these papers.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Look at that head. Look at that head, man. Also,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: look at the size of the eye sockets. Yeah. The
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: eye sockets are fucking huge. That person must have insane eyeballs.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Imagine what their eyes would look like when they're looking
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: at you. I mean, how much bigger is that than
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: a human's eye socket? It's so much bigger. That must
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: have been a wild looking dude. Imagine bringing that guy
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: over your house for a party. Your friends would be like, yo,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: who's the guy who keeps reading everybody's mind? I don't
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: know shit.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not playing. If you were playing trivia, he's on
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: my team.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: That guy's the freakiest one, man. The one on the left.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: But what you're saying might be accurate, right, that that
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: might have been a rounded thing that was manipulated to
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: be a flattened thing.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that it was partially natural. Like even
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: the sagittal suture, this is one of the things they
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: find with Denisovan and Neanderthal DNA.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: That one on the right, is that real? Yeah. Is
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: that AI? Is that horseshit? That's fucking real?
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Come on, man. What are we looking at? And someone
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: stole that. Someone's got that in their fucking Rhode Island mansion.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Of course. You know those Bronze Age or Gilded Age
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: mansions that they have? Very weird, man. I got into
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: a YouTube rabbit hole the other day of Gilded Age
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: mansions in Newport, Rhode Island, where all these fucking super
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: rich creepy people set up their castles. It's nuts, man.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: I guarantee if you get in the room, there's a
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: fucking glass box. And inside of it, there's one of
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: these skulls. It looks like it's from another planet.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah. And it's weird to me that they're hiding
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: all this.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Somebody's hiding all that.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Well, it's... Maybe not just somebody, but there's definitely money
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: behind it because it happens like so fast. And it
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: happened like the article. I will link an article in
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: a video and it'll be dead in two weeks and
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: I'll have to go fucking fight. Like I've got three
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: different ways to find this one thing right now. And
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: I've downloaded it because it's just keeps disappearing. And it's
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: what talks about Rockefeller buying the skulls.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: And it's just someone scrubbing the Internet of the Rockefeller scubs.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, it still shows up.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Do you think it's because someone has them and they're like.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Shut the fuck up?
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: I'm 100% those school.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: History says that he either repatriated them or he left
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: them in the museum. And it's like it. So then
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: I asked, you asked, well, what's the catalog numbers? Oh, well,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: there are no catalog numbers for human remains. OK, fuck you.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: I know better than that. And the ultimate, what really
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: gets me is this. They gave me the same excuse
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: for Papua New Guinea as they do for China, as
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: they do for Easter Island as they do for Hawaii,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: as they do for the Pacific Northwest, as they do
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: for Paracas. Well, it's about you know, it's about like
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: protecting the indigenous people's beliefs. And they don't want you
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: to have like their skulls because then that would be
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: like you have part of their souls. It's like, OK,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: I can understand that some of them might think this way.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: But we got Mennonites in Pennsylvania that don't believe that.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: And they're sitting right next door to their friends that
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: do believe that. How am I supposed to accept that
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: the entire Pacific Rim fucking all falls into line? We
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: can't get them to do that same shit in Pennsylvania.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: I don't buy it. This is a European thing. This
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: isn't an islander thing. This isn't a Polynesian thing that's
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: covering these things up. These people are perfectly content to
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: have their skulls displayed as far as we can tell.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: But it's always some white dude going, oh, we've got
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: to hide those fucking skulls because we've got a PZ.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: At the end of the day... Please put all your
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: shit in the museum so that we can keep a
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: good eye on it for you. Can I see it?
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Fuck you.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: It's gone. Fuck you. Let's go.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Try to find this online. You'll find an image that
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: says no image available that has a title. And that's it.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: There was one. Last I looked, there was one copy
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: that was in a library in Malta.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: And you really think that's because someone's in possession of
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: this stuff and they're trying to squash it?
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: I think that there's a narrative there that people don't
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: want pushed. I think that. It might have something to
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: do with– I mean let's be honest. What I'm talking
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: about when you start talking about mingling different bloodlines for
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: different traits, this does sound awfully eugenics, right? This does
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: sound like it's dipping your toes into this kind of
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: politically incorrect stuff.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: But how is it eugenics if people just interbred?
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: There was a– I believe there was a program in Paracas.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Could you pull up one of the pictures of the
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: person presenting the– when they would bring their– there's those
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: jaguar babies, right? The Jaguar people in the Olmec Society
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: had the hair lip and the things like I was showing.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: There's more than one statue of them presenting them. There
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: you go. Ta-da. Here's my baby. This baby's all fucking mutilated,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: not like me.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Ta-da.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Here you go.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: That baby doesn't look mutilated, though.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: That's not a very good image, but yeah.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Is there any... That one doesn't look... That one looks normal.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: It just looks like a mother with a baby.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: If you look at the top down, both of those,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: they have hair lips. Oh. And they're missing the teeth.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: They are.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Jaguar babies.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Like that one. That last image. Yeah.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: That's a trophy skull. The only trophy skull known with
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: a cleft lip. You know, if you were born with
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: a cleft lip, even the Spanish recorded, if you were
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: born with a cleft lip to their people, they would
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: put you in a temple as part of the workers.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: You were considered holy. Six fingers was considered holy. Deformations
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: were considered holy.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: And this trophy skull, what do you mean by that?
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: I mean that this is like a mummified skull with
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: a hole drilled in it. I wish I could get
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: a real image, but this is the only one that exists.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: And so somebody has that somewhere in a museum? Yeah,
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: or somewhere, yeah. Somewhere.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: But, yeah, there's a bunch of these trophy skulls that
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: they kept down in South America. They would wear skulls
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: on their belt. They didn't shrink them or nothing. They'd
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: just drill a hole right in the fucking thing and
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: hang it right on their belt. Ooh.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, huh?
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: But that one was especially prized because that was a noble.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: You're walking around with a noble person's skull hanging from
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: your belt. That's how they would wear them? I'm a badass. Wow.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that part of the world was never.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: So you think there's a potential that they were creating,
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: they were breeding people specifically. Yeah.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: I think that they would like pick bloodlines and be like,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: you know what? You look more like and you look
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: more like and you need to have a baby together.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: And then here's the baby.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, we got a good one. It's a jaguar. So
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: what do you think the whole tridactyl thing is?
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: I think some of the tridactyl mummies look fake as
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: fuck to me, just to be clear.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: The early, the tiny ones look really fake.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the little ones that look like cake.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: But the ones that they do the CAT scans of,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: you're like, wow. And then you find out that they're
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: like at least 1,200 years old. You're like, are you
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: telling me that 1,200 years ago someone created this?
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: I think DNA would be a good way to get
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: into that to begin with.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: I know. Yeah. I mean, it's just weird that this
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: is all going on and we don't have definitive answers.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: And there's not also like a mad rush among scientists
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: to discover. Are these two trophy skulls?
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, this one just has a drill hole in the forehead.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: And a rope attached to it. They didn't fucking clown around.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: With the skin on it and the hair. So this
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: person is just walking around with someone's head. Wrapped around
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: their waist.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: The description I just read said they were most... I mean,
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: the ones that they found were young women.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: Like 13 or 16 years old.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, God.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: But I don't know if that's what these are. Wow.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: One of them looks like a woman. The one on
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: the right looks like a woman.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: That looks like my last.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: That's so crazy. But yeah, it's... That's where things get
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: so weird. When you go back and you realize that
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: entire cultures... They engaged in ritual sacrifice at a mass
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: scale like what the Aztecs did. They did wild mass sacrifice.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: And their culture was so– it involved sacrifice so much
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: that they would go out and get other people. And
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: that's one of the reasons why Cortez was able to
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: group all these other people to attack the Aztecs. Like
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: these motherfuckers have been killing us ritually forever.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're happy to kick these guys' ass. Oh, wait,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: you're not going to help us out afterwards? One of
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: my favorite stories about that afterwards is they're like, okay,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: we need all you guys to bring all your codices
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: here so that we can put them on these shelves.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: And so like all these Mesoamerican codices show up and
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: the Spanish friar is.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Like, torch.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Fucking watches them all burn. And there's like a handful
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: left that exist now. They just bought, it was like
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: three years ago, they bought those ones from a family
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: in Mexico that had had them for like 500 years.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: And one of them talks about the building of Teotihuacan.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Whoa.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: And the Mexican government bought it for like 250 grand.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: It was like, like I was telling Matt Bell and
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Matt Bell's like, that's fucking nothing.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Is that a dope trophy skull?
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: Some of these are fucking sick.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Ancestor chief skull. Wow.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: Hold on though. Wait till I get to some of
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: these down here.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Holy shit.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: So now imagine this. These are crazy.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: Oh, man.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Are you sure they aren't from Hellraiser?
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: This is like straight out of The Predator. Yeah.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: So these were found in Asia.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: What? My dear God.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: Some of this looks almost like this is from out
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: of a movie set.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Well, they've glued tusks onto some of the skulls.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: What the hell is that?
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Whoa. Go back up a little bit. That looks like
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: something out of Warhammer. Yeah, that one on the right
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: with the horn coming out of his nose. What the fuck?
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: Human child trophy skull. Oh.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Human child trophy skull. What the fuck, man? How did
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: I never hear about this before? How about the one
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: with the headsets on?
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: That one's got headphones on.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: What the fuck, man? Why does it say info, email?
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Are you selling these?
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I stumbled across something here. It does
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: say art. Tribal Art Asia, which is doing some weird shit.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that actually doesn't look like a skull. That looks
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: like it's carved out of wood. Like the nose part,
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: it's all filled in. Can you imagine if you found
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: out there was a website you could just order trophy skulls?
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: That's what I was looking for. I was finding at
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: least recreated ones on Etsy that people are making. Oh.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: It says it's a replica.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Lord.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: But....
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: What kind of a fucking Etsy person?
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Made by Monster. That's the kind of person. It's like
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: I ain't even trying to hide it.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: I'm a monster. A fucking dude with an Etsy page
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: of just skulls. That's wild.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Boy. But, you know, even some of these Olmec heads
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: have hair lips. Like I got a picture that saved
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: on one of those that has it.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: And again... If you mingle Neanderthal or Denisovan DNA with
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: human DNA, this is a thing, is you end up
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: with facial deformations, including hairless.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: I think it's real, bro.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: What?
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: Early 20th century diac and sized trophy skull, and it's
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: got a name, and it costs a lot of money,
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: and they say where it came from.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: You could buy that? Yeah. Talking about- Log in for
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: the price. Can you imagine if we had a fucking skull,
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: a human skull on the desk? That's too creepy. That is.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Because we don't know how the guy died or the
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: woman died.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: From a private collection from Thousand Oaks, California.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. See how many private collections are out there.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: See if you can find an elongated skull for sale.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: I was telling you about Concomly.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: That's how I got here.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: I was telling you about that Chief Concomly. He was
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: a huge friend to the honkies that came through that area.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: He married off his daughters to fur trappers. He cried
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: when they moved the fort 30 miles away. He was
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: like he was a bunch of braves came up and said,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: we're going to go kill all these white guys. He's like, hey, hey, hey,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: do you see how tight they're tightly woven their cloth is?
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Do you see how strong their weapons are? Do you
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: see any of their kids or their women? Do you
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: think this is all they're capable of, or do you
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: think they're going to bring more to bear when they
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: bring their families with them? Let's not fuck with these guys.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: He was really shrewd and smart. He died three years later.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Some British dude chopped his fucking head off. They actually
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: had hit him. Instead of these above-ground canoe burials, they'd
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: hit him because they knew. Dude chops his head off,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: ships the skull back to England, and it wasn't until this.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: This came out five years after they'd repatriated the skull
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: to the Chinook people. But yeah, they actually carved on
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: the back of his fucking head even. Like, Here, Chief Concomly.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Here's his skull. Here's a friend's skull.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: If you can't see it, they engraved that on the
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: back of his skull. Oh, my God.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: It's, like, so horrific. And, uh like so you can
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: see why the smithsonian might be a little hard pressed
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: in letting this stuff out but um.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Well the the peruvian skulls though deep deep like when
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: you you look at them and you look at the
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: monster rod do you think there's more to this the
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: story is it is this as simple as Cranial deformation
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: plus they do it on purpose. Or is there a
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: potential for a different species of human that live there?
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: There's almost certainly, in my opinion, a different species of
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: human that live there. And I mean even, you know,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: I'm not into the ancient alien stuff. But in all honesty,
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be. If there was aliens intermingling with humans,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: this would probably be the best smoking gun place for it.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: There's also all the evidence that they were building art
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: that you could only see from the sky.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Which is really weird. Which is really weird.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: And even things like that candelabra of the Andes, that's
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: visible again 12 miles out to sea. Easter Island's close enough.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Imagine the guys jumping down from right here, from Portland, Oregon,
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: just jumping down the coasts to Paracas.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: Were you drawing the conclusion that that represents genetic engineering?
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have drawn it to begin with, but it
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: looks like a family tree, and it's like with everything
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: else lined up all the time. It's like, well, I mean,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: if you're trying to say, hey, guys, this is where
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: we do this, what symbol would you use?
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: And that's where, okay. Again, if this was in a vacuum,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: that's not how I got there.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: This is.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: this is kind of the icing on the cake is
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: the Paracas condylabra and that, uh, that textile thing. The
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: honest to God evidence is, I mean, there's a lot
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: of papers that I have a handful of papers that
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: I've got screenshots of there, but you pick your genetic
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: deformation and then Google it with Denisovan or Neanderthal and
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: you almost guarantee hydrocephalus, that big skull thing that I
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: showed there. You see a few of those in Paracas
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: with those great big things. Hydrocephalus is something that's they
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: is the frequency is increased when you in Mingled Denisovan
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: or Neanderthal DNA. It's a constant issue.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: That candelabra image, does that image appear in other areas?
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: It actually does.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: It's crazily enough, it appears in Easter Island on skulls
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: that are carved with that same image.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Whoa.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: I didn't put any in the file, but I've got
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: them in a video. There's two of them that they have.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: One is like a straight line, and then one's like
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: a bird man kind of, but it's the same image.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: When you say skull, do you mean human skull?
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: I mean decorated like those we were just looking at.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: So a dead human that has that on their head.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: That they'd scratched it in afterwards.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: What?
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: The Easter Island had elongated skulls, but almost all of
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: those are gone. And they're hard to find images of,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: like impossible. But they do have these, and they were
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: like they would do artwork on skulls after they would die.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: And a few of them do strongly resemble the candelabra
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: of the Andes.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: And is that candelabra, is that anywhere else down there?
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Not that I'm aware of. Not that I've seen. Can
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: I see that again, please? The candelabra? Because the family
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: tree thing, it's like, is it the same configuration on
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: the Easter Island heads? Or is it similar?
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: The... It's not identical, but it's really close. Look for
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: Easter Island Modified Skull, Jamie, and that'll probably pull up
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: the– it'll be a paper. I doubt you'll find it
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: in the images section, but if you click all, there
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: should be a paper that– maybe I have to go
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: to Google Scholar to find it.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: I apologize.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: But, yeah, there's artwork on these things, and a handful
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: of them that is– There's artwork on two of them
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: in particular that's got that same fork symbol. And one
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: of them, they call a birdman. There we go. Bam,
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: there's the birdman. And then on the same page, you
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: should see... Good job, Jamie. You're a fucking pimp. See,
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: they did a bunch of art on these skulls, but
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: two of them have that same symbol.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: Do they show that here? They're right there.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: Hmm....
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: Similar super similar.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah not identical for sure but it's it does have
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: the same three things forking together so it's just.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: A theory that that's the tree of life or that's
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: the family tree rather yeah that's totally again that that
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: the family tree thing is completely uh completely my thing
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: um This one represents a penis entering a vulva.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: Right in the back of the head.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: He drew it on his head. That guy was like
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: the earliest bad tattoo art ever.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: Maybe they were honoring a person's ability to deep throat. Oh,
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: this far back. The fucker gave you a skull, you
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: knew it.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: X marks the spot.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: But yeah, again, the imagery and stuff, I can't be
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: 100% all right. I mean, you can never be 100%
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: on any of this stuff.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: But the genetic....
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: Those worming bones I showed you in the back, they
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: call them Inca bones for a reason because they show
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: up in the Inca. The Incas have a higher, South
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: American and Peru, they have a higher instance of cleft palates.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: They have a higher instance of polydactyly. Just pick your
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: fucking thing that's in line with all this and it
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: happens more there than it does almost anywhere else in
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: the world. And then when you see everything else, the
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: elongated skulls that frankly beggared belief, imagery and stuff that
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: seems to, the way that they praised genetic deformations, it
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: seems almost unthinkable they wouldn't be trying to. Imagine if
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: everybody in your society praised kids that were looked a
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: certain way. Wouldn't some people want to have kids that
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: look that way?
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: Right, and there was probably some benefit that also came
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: with that.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: Exactly. An intellect, something. Even if it was just a
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: social one. Think about this. One person born with those
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: weird teeth and a cleft palate that's also a little Einstein-y, Oh,
• 55:21
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• 55:24
  Speaker 1: looks like Einstein.
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• 56:52
  Speaker 2: That's like when people in the... 1400s were getting syphilis
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: and they all started wearing the big wigs.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: Exactly. I just took that one royal family with syphilis
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: to wear wigs and everybody's like, got to wear a wig.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Isn't that, it's, we follow these trends, right?
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: People are weird that way, but here we are.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: That's a weird one. The higher classification of a person
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: who is born with other human DNA that's given them
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: specific traits. But the thing about the monster rot stuff,
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: that doesn't seem like a human. If that's real, the
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: three fingers and the three toes, and don't they have
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: extra ribs?
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: Something like that, or extra vertebrae? The size of the head,
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: the whole thing looks so weird. You're like, okay, if
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: this really has been carbon dated to 1,200 years ago,
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: if that's legit, what is that? Because I don't think
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: that 1,200 years ago people were capable of recreating something
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: like that that's going to survive in a CAT scan.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: Why would you do the kind of work that they
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: did that you can only see from a CAT scan?
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: Because the entire outside of it is covered.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Right?
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: It's got the white clay and it's all mummified and
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: there's tissue that's mummified. Yeah. How?
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: No, that's... How the fuck did you do that? That's
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: a very... I mean, that's a good point.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: And again....
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: The one gene that's responsible for polydactyly in mice when
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: they introduced it, the GLI3 variant that happens in Denisovans
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: and Neanderthal in mice caused extra ribs, extra vertebrae, skull misshapen,
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: dental morphology fucked up. And sometimes extra fingers, sometimes good
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: extra fingers, sometimes bad extra fingers.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: Did the mice figure out how to get out of
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: the cage? I don't think so. You're really smart. You
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: started leaving notes. Scratch notes in the window let me out.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Pinky, today we conquer the world.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: Well, do you think the Smithsonian has had giant bones? Yes.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: Not only that, but this is funny. When I was
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: here last time, I would have told you I don't
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: think so. I mean, maybe six foot five. But I've
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: done a lot of research in it since then.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: Fuck. Okay.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: One dude who I'm sure I'll get his name wrong.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: His name was Ales Heidlicka. He was a guy from
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: Hungary who was a medical doctor. He had this theory
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: that it's a lot like, uh, the same theories of phrenology, like, uh,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: Leonardo DiCaprio poking on the back of the skull. Boy,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: that makes you docile. Um, except for it was all
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: encompassing with the skeleton. He believed that you could do
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: it with arm bones and leg bones and all of it.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: So he left medical science to become an anthropologist to
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: push that narrative. He fucking said it point blank. And
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: then he goes out and says, oh, all these Indian
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: bones that you guys have that are bigger than white
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: people bones?
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: Didn't happen.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: This guy's got a vested interest in proving that white
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: people are superior to And he believes that you prove
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: this by the skeletons. And he comes out and debunks
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: all the giant bones. And the way he did it,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: he's like, oh, see these bones? These aren't giant bones.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: It's like, dude, that's, yeah, when I get pulled over
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: by the cop, I pull out the, I don't have
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: any drugs on me, officer. See, these are cigarettes.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: What year is this again? 1930s. And are there images
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: of these bones this guy's displaying?
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: Very, very little. It's almost all of this has just
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: been scrubbed.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: So what was he saying those bones were?
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: He was just saying that, he said that people mismeasured them.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: This is where it gets really, really ugly. It's he
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: accuses people. Some of these guys were really good at
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: their job and he'll accuse them of mismeasuring them and
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: not knowing how to properly apply a tape measure. And
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: the worst example of this in 1959, 20 years after
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: this dude's on this one, the dude in charge of
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: the Department of the Humanities at the Carnegie Museum, Dr.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Don Dergu dug up in one of these Adena mounds,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: a stone. a skeleton, and he says, according to the
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: in-ground measurements, this indicates an individual that in life would
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: have been seven foot three inches tall. They debunk it
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: by saying, well, this is just an in-ground measurement. This
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: is just, it has, he didn't do any other, any
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: other work with it or anything. It's like the man
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: flat out said it indicates. He was, it's 1959, 15
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: years after they had all the mathematical formula for doing skeletons.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: This guy was, They threw him straight under the fucking
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: bus to debunk that skeleton that you can't find anywhere
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: because they won't show it to you. So it's like,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: and this was in 59, again, a guy in charge
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  Speaker 1: of a big department of the Carnegie Museum, not Dan
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  Speaker 1: digging in the backyard.
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  Speaker 2: So is there a chain of custody of that skeleton? Like,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: can that be traced?
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  Speaker 1: All the way to the Carnegie Museum where we don't
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  Speaker 1: know what happened to it now. This is a consistent issue.
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  Speaker 1: With these remains, if it's a giant bone or an
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  Speaker 1: elongated skull and you want to know more about it,
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  Speaker 1: real good chance you're not going to be able to
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  Speaker 1: find anything.
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  Speaker 2: So what do you think was going on? Do you
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: think there was a completely different species of enormous people?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe, or maybe even just some of us that had
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  Speaker 1: the different, just some different DNA in us than somebody else,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just a little bit of.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I mean, honestly— It's a six-finger, six-toe thing.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: Well— Keeps coming up.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's—again, you know, we get that now with just
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: a little bit of Neanderthal DNA, right? So you get
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  Speaker 1: different species that had more Denisovan in them than us,
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  Speaker 1: and still technically might be the same species, but not quite.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: Do you think it's possible that these giants were Denisovans?
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: It's possible.
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  Speaker 2: Because Denisovans were a lot larger than us, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, at least six inches, as I say.
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  Speaker 2: And if you had a big one, like this shack, right?
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: And there's me. You know what I mean? Like, if
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: you have a really big one, like, isn't it possible
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: that there's a range of even those things? Like, we
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: only have a couple bones, right? And I think there's
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: something that just came out from China about Homo juliensis.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that they think it might be Denisovan, that
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: it might be the same thing, right?
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Dragon Man, the same thing. That's been out for
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: a little bit now, but yeah.
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  Speaker 2: There was something that was like super recent where they
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: were proposing, because I think they're trying to figure out
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  Speaker 2: what we're talking about, but we're talking about it from
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  Speaker 2: just a couple of bones. There's not a lot. It's
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: not like they had a whole graveyard filled with Denisovans
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  Speaker 2: with various heights and weights and they can get an
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: estimation of like what the medium was.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The vast majority of what we know about them comes
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: from DNA.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Vast majority.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So we have a few bones.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But then it's like, how big? How big were they? Like,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: is this a 12 foot tall person? Is that real?
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: There's five foot tall people and there's nine foot tall people. Exactly.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: What's the tallest person today? Like eight foot?
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: Alive now, I'm not sure, but like Robert Wadlow was like.
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  Speaker 2: But he had like a real problem. Yeah, oh yeah. Yeah, giant, gigantism.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: That's like a tumor on the pituitary gland. Yeah, you
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: just keep on growing. Yeah. But I think that just
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: for just an outsized, enormous person, I think the record
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: today is like, okay, 8 foot 2.8 inches in 2011. Yo,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: Sultan Kosen of Turkey. Okay. Come on, man. Guy lives
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: in Turkey, which is like one of the oldest DNAs
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: in the world where Gobekli Tepe is. Is this guy
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: a giant? Holy crap. What size is that guy? What
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: does he look like when he's standing up? Put him
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: over there. Okay. And he doesn't even look like he
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: has gigantism. Does he?
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: He just looks like a giant dude. He doesn't have
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: like a misshaped head or anything like that. Either way.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: Pretty impressive.
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  Speaker 2: Now, is that... Imagine. Is that a gene thing? Like,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: is that capable of being... Is that old? Is that
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: some old DNA from some other kind of human? Or
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: is that just a really big person?
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: That's a different guy right here.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: That's a different guy. That's a guy in China, right?
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: I think so.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: And.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: These six fingers, six toes ones, is that ubiquitous? Does
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: that occur in all of the reports of these bodies?
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: No, it doesn't. Some of them have two rows of teeth.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: Some of them have six fingers and six toes. What is, like,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: I got pretty skeptical about, because there's a lot of
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: giant reports in America where people were digging up mounds.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: And so I got kind of skeptical about who I
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: was taking it from. Like, you know, Joe Farmer, I
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: just was like, OK, you know, maybe not. But if
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: the guy was like some of these guys were really
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: good at what they did and they say they recorded something,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: it was. So there's probably a dozen solid accounts that
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: are from people that weren't bullshit artists that had more
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: to lose than they did to gain. And some of
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: them were two of them in particular are like. Good scientists,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: like well-known anthropologists respected in their field, and they were
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: finding giant bones. And even today, like that guy that
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: I told you about, Dr. Dondre Gu, there is an
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: anthropologist right now that like two or three years ago,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: she debunked his work by claiming that he just did
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: an in-ground measurement and that was it. And it's like
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: he clearly said this indicates an individual that was this
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: tall in life. It's like I did a measurement on
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: this and it indicates that's clearly telling you I didn't
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: just take a dead measurement.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: And they just throw his ass right under the fucking
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: bus in order to keep this narrative going. And that's
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: where it's weird to me because I don't think Flint
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: Dibble and all of his friends give two shits about
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: the giant narrative like Rockefeller does. I think it's way
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: more of an ego thing with them because archaeology is
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: not a fucking science, Joe. Not even close. It functions
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: like a science like religion does. So these guys, they
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: all know it. They know they're LARPing as scientists. They
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: know when they call us science deniers, they're full of shit.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: So the only thing they can do is puff their chest.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: Well, some of it is science, right?
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: Sure, some of it is. But let me put it
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: to you like this.
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  Speaker 2: So why are you saying?
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  Speaker 1: Archaeology is a study of human culture by material remains.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Now, science, the cornerstone of science is replicability, arguably.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: If I.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: Combine hydrogen and oxygen and you combine hydrogen. We should
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: get the same thing. Now, if I dig up something
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: in my backyard, can you replicate that? Or are you
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: beholden to– what if Joseph Smith digs up gold plates
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: and I dig up an arrowhead? You believe one and
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: not the other?
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: Right, but you can put protocols in place where you
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: have a bunch of people that are all responsible for
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: making sure that everything goes according to plan and they
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: all report to someone else.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: But how is it replicable?
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: Well, it's not replicable, but they are exposing these ancient
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: remains and they are using carbon dating. Absolutely.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: They're using physics there. That's physics, right? That's what it
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: really comes down to. Fundamentally, archaeology cannot be scienced any
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: more than theology. Fundamentally, a miracle, you either believe or
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: you don't. I dug up something in my backyard, you
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: either believe it or you don't. You can't replicate either
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: one of these things.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: Right, but you can... film people pulling things out of
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: the ground you can prove that it's old you can
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: you can but there's a lot of instances where like
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: they're doing a construction dig in mexico city and they
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: find like stone they stop construction archaeologists come in like
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: there's a whole chain of custody of where this stuff's
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: coming from absolutely so isn't that kind of scientific kind
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: of i mean.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: Again, there's a chain of custody on the Epstein letters, right?
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: But at a point it falls apart because of do
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: you believe or do you not? That's what it really
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: comes down to with archaeology is I can't replicate the findings.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: And if you can't replicate that, I'm not saying it's worthless.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: A historian knows better than to call themselves a scientist.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: They know it's not. They use scientific methods.
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  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: A video game speed runner, if you know what that is,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: somebody who's trying to like beat Super Mario Brothers.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: They use science.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: So you'll put an archaeologist more in the line of
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: a historian. Absolutely.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, they are.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: Both of them call somebody else when it comes time
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: to carbon date.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: You know, they....
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: Again, the reproducibility is crucial. And the argument that they
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: always go to is, well, astronomy is not reproducible. If
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: you have a supernova, you can't reproduce that. Well, yeah,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: except I have 100 telescopes all trained on it. So
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: if this guy's data set and that guy's data set jibe,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: it's been reproduced. If I've got one arrowhead to dug
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: up out of the ground, we either believe that this
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: dude dug up the arrowhead out of the ground or
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: we don't. And this especially matters when it comes to
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: these unique one-off finds. It's one thing when it's a narrowhead.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: It's another thing altogether when it's the Antikythera mechanism. And
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: so this is where archaeology becomes... Some people, you could
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: understand why somebody might believe the Antikythera mechanism is bullshit.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: And at that point, it goes directly to what I'm saying.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: It's faith-based. Does this coincide with my worldview or not?
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: Which is why archaeology is like this huge split between
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: these people that... Guys that are trying to puff their
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: chests and say that it really is what they claim
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: it to be. And then there's the people that are
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: actually just doing good work and they'll be quick to
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: tell you, you know, at the end of the day,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: our results aren't, you know, we do science where we can,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: but we can't say for sure that our results are
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: scientific because we're, it's a lot of guesswork at the end.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: And that becomes a problem when they do things like
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: Clovis first, when they're like, we're going to use our
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: science to beat everything else off the table. It's not
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: fucking science, bitch. So get it out of here. And
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: that's where, yeah, the same thing, like I was saying
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: earlier with the COVID thing, you don't get to, too
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: many of us know what the scientific method is for
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: you just to come in here and tell us it's
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: something else.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: Well, when Dibble was trying to deny that they did that,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: like deny that archaeologists will attack people that have evidence
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: of something that contradicts their assertions. Like that's crazy to deny.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: There's so much history of that.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: He called it, What's so funny when you're in that debate,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: he tells you when you're pushing on him like that,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: he goes, well, that's an example of an academic debate.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: Those things happen. It's like, dude, OK, that same guy
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: I was telling you about, Ailes Heidelicka, that racist son
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: of a bitch with the Giants. Before he believed that
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: there were no people in the Americas before 3000 years ago.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: And even on the Wikipedia page of the Folsom tradition,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: it still says now that any archaeologist desirous of a
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: successful career could not posit an earlier date for the
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: peopling of the Americas or him and one other dude
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: would destroy their fucking careers. This isn't the first time
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: it's been going.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: It's ego. And it's men mostly, right? It's human men
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: and their egos and wanting to be the gatekeeper of information.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: I'm an authority. I'm the authority figure. Yeah.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: Imagine, imagine the, The shot to the ego it takes
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: to be a guy like Flint. You study all your
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: time and you study all this crap and then Graham
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: comes along and he studies and he writes a fake
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: history and you write a fake history and his sells more.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: That's just going to cry right up in his ass.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: And it does.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: But they just don't like also that someone comes along
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: and they're super obsessed with a subject and they're not
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: confined by the academic– world where they have to get
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: funding to do certain studies. They have to get things approved.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: They want to get tenure. They have to get the
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: approval of the higher ups. There's all sorts of stuff
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: that happens in the academic world that doesn't happen in
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: the world of the Jimmy Corsetti's and the Luke Caverns
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: and these people that could just go to places and
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: start filming. You know, Ben Van Kirkwood can just go
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: places and start filming and become huge experts in this stuff.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, the information that's available about the old kingdom,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: about all these things, it's all available. Like anyone can
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: read it if you take the time and if you
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: really dive into it. And these guys have dove into it.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: And a lot of these other guys haven't. And that's
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: the thing. And they're a little lazy. Maybe not lazy,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: but let's say this, not as obsessed. So they should
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: look at the Ben Van Kirkwicks as a resource.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: Thank you. I've been saying this one for a long time,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: but they do the opposite. I'll give you a perfect example.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: Jimmy Corsetti two years ago on X Posts. I wonder
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: if the Nephilim in the Bible were the Denisovans or
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: Neanderthal or something like that. At the time, they didn't
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: know Denisovans were taller than us. So all the archaeologists, oh,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: Jimmy's stupid. The Nephilim were supposed to be taller than us.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: And both of these species are shorter. And I even said,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'll just let this go a couple of
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: days and I'm going to show you guys what you're
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: doing wrong. And I let him go at it. And
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: then I was like, okay, let's try this. As a
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: science communicator, let's try it like this. Hey, Jim, those
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: ones are shorter than humans, but there are other species
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: of archaic hominid like Gigantopithecus that were taller than us
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: that might fit the bill. Why don't you look into
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: that and see what you find? You take somebody's passion,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: they're looking at the rabbit hole, you shove them in
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: head first. That's science communication. Telling them the rabbit hole
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: ain't fucking there, Clover, that's being a con.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: Well, I also think we should all operate, all human beings,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: under this assumption. We don't have all the evidence for
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: all the humans that lived. We just don't. We only
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: have a tiny fraction of We have fossilized remains, especially
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: when shit gets really old. We don't have enough data. Yeah.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: And if you just operate on we don't have enough data,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: which is pure, pure, everyone should agree on that. So
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: once you have it, then say, okay, this is the
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: data we have. And this points to the fact that
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: new humans are emerging that we're finding. And we might
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: be wrong about the number that existed. And potentially there
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: could be a cave somewhere in Siberia or wherever. And
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: they find another bone and they go, holy shit, what
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: is this one? This is a totally different kind of person.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: And now you have another one and you have another one.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: And who knows how many of them there were. And
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: this will give us a richer understanding of what took place.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: And then I think Michael Buttons has a really good
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: video where he's talking about how anatomically human, anatomically similar
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: humans existed a long time ago. Like, why would we
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: assume that civilization and complex thinking and tool making and
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: technology only emerged in the last couple hundred years when
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: the exact same species existed hundreds and hundreds and hundreds
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: of thousands of years ago? Isn't it possible that something,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: some human a long time ago had figured out some
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: stuff and we have no evidence of it anymore because
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: of just natural wear and The weathering and the earth
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: absorbs things. There's nothing left. That seems more logical.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree. Yeah, I love Mike.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: He's great. Michael Button, yeah, he's great.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: It's one of the things, honestly, just really quickly, I've
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: loved watching the last year and a half since I've
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: been on here, Lef, why you just kind of went
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: through my litany of friends and stuck them in this
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: chair one after the fucking other. It's like, hey, that's Luke. Hey,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: I know that cook. I know that guy. That was
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: really good to see, man.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: It's a fun time. It's a fun time to get
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: cool people to talk about cool shit.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: And the passion that these guys have. Like you say,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: that's honestly– it's a huge thing. You know, Duncan gave
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: me a really good compliment. Duncan Trussell saying that I
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: was like– that I was all passionate like a fucking– well,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: what's that guy that did all calculus and stuff? The
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: old school Sir Isaac Newton. And I was like, damn,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: I don't think I'm like that. But thank you. Probably
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: got as many chemicals in my body.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: Was Isaac Newton a tripper?
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: No, no. He was a– He was an alchemist, so he, like,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: died of mercury poisoning.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: Did he really?
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: This is one of the funniest things. I love saying
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: this one on Twitter. I say it once every couple
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: of years. The world we live in now where they'll
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: take a scientist and they'll say, like, yeah, but this
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: guy's political opinions are all skewed, so fuck this guy.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: It's like, you know what they would have done with
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: Sir Isaac Newton? We wouldn't have the theory of gravity
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: or calculus. They'd have been like, yeah, that guy denies
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: the Trinity, and he's fucking an alchemist. Why would I
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: put up with this crazy guy's bullshit? It's like, dude, it's... Yeah.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's, it's, it's, I guess one of the
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: things I've actually come to a lot of terms with
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: on my own little searching in this community is that
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that I disagree with on
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: fucking 80%, but that 20% that they're, if they bring
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: honest data to the table.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: Like, and my best example of this is goes all
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: the way back to the 1880s, Carl Christian Raffen or
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: the 1830s, even he was a anthropologist. He was, he
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: believed that The Norse discovered America before Columbus. And the
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: reason he believed this was because every time he'd see
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: a rock with a glyph on it, he's like, man,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: them dumb Indians didn't know how to carve no fucking rocks. Granted,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: all their weapons are made out of stone. But anyway,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: they don't know how to make this. So must have
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: been a white guy. So he does research, research, research, research,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: and eventually finds out that it was the Norse. Now,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: he was pissing up a rope with his fucking line
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: of evidence, but he did honest research. And he got
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: us real data. Right. So I'm finding a lot that
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: I just have to like, I.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: Really don't like you. But OK, what do you got
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: to say? This is a part of the problem with
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: the Atlantis thing. And this is why guys like Flint
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: always connected to racism, because there were a group of
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: people that were white supremacists that believed that the white
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: race was responsible for Atlantis. But those those are not
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: like credible historians. These are also not in the same
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: group of people as Graham or you or Ben Van
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: Kirkwood or any of these people. No one is saying that.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: So to connect people to something like Atlantis where there
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: are problematic people that believe something that was racist, just
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: because you're talking about Atlantis doesn't mean everybody who's investigating
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: Atlantis is. is also problematic and racist. That's crazy.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: Well, they say, well, it encourages racism. And I always
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: jump with, they go, well, do you see how many,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: their evidence, you see how many white supremacists cite this stuff?
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: And I always go, well, do you see how many
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: white supremacists cite all kinds of statistics?
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: And drink water.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: Poverty and crime and all these other things. Should we
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: get rid of all of these statistics too? We should
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: just quit– anything that a white supremacist might use? Do
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: you remember the Mac Tonight commercial with the McDonald's moon man?
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: Don't you remember– Years ago, when we were kids in
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: the 80s, when I was a kid in the 80s,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: they had a big moon man guy that was singing
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: a Mac the Knife parody. When the clock strikes half
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: past six, babe, time to head for golden lights. OK,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: about 15 years ago, they started using a thing with
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: like some weird voice chat and this guy and making
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: racist memes. Does that mean that McDonald's is fucking racist
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: or does it just mean that racists will co-opt fucking anything,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: including Pepe the Frog?
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: Pepe the Frog is the best example. Thank you. That
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: poor guy who made Pepe the Frog.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: He was just like, please make it stop.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: That guy was like, that's not me.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: And that's exactly what these guys do, man. We can't
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: talk about anything without it being racist.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: Well, that's just a way to dismiss you.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: It's a way to whip it. And to drag other
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: people in.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: Hey, man, this guy's talking shit about the pyramids.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, he's also racist.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, fuck.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: We got 5% of them came over.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: Cool. Yeah.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: It's really pathetic. And, you know, in all honesty, I
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: get shit during the election cycles from friends. and from
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: fans for not supporting X, Y, or Z. And I
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: always tell them the same thing. Look, most of the
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: third are fucking SETI the second. I talk about ancient history, bitch.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: I'm not talking about modern politics. That's not what I'm doing.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: And I'm certainly not going to endorse somebody on my platform.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, why do you care what
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: Beyonce says about this shit? Why do you care about
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: any of these fuck... These people aren't political analysts. Why
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: do you care that much? Why are you crawling up
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: my ass about... Well, yeah, but you know, you've got the...
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: People want... People want us to all be towing a certain.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: It's funny. I swear to God, it's like the whole
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: country's got like probably a third of us are little Hitlers.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: The whole world would be better if everybody just thought
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: just like me. It's like fucking Christ.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: And they think they're the open-minded, compassionate ones. It's really weird.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: But it's just the nature of the tribal world that
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: we're living in right now. And it's so divided. And
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: this is one of the giant problems of social media.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: And I think it's great that everyone has an opinion.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: And I think it's great that everyone gets to express
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: an opinion. It doesn't mean that you should listen. It
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean you should absorb it. It doesn't mean that
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: it's a valid opinion. You'll find the valid opinions, but
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: you have to sort through the bad ones, and this
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: is how it's always going to be. It's always going
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: to be that people have a take on it that
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: you fiercely disagree with. People have the least charitable view
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: of this person or this idea or this thing. You're
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: always going to have a spectrum of ideas, and you
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: have to allow it. That's how it is, and you
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: have to counter that with a better perspective. That's it.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: And if you're coming at it from you want to
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: silence and destroy everyone who disagrees with you, especially on
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: something as complex as ancient history, like that seems like
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: you're doing a bad thing. It seems like you're denying
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: the resource of all these obsessed people. Yeah.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: I completely agree with you. As a matter of fact.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: And if they're getting something wrong, like, yeah, have a
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: conversation with those people and explain why they're getting something wrong.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: But be good faith about it.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: The Society for American Archaeology's original bylaws, their very first
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: law was, their intention was to cultivate a better relationship
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: between interested amateurs and professional archaeologists and to offer help
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: when requested to those interested amateurs. They're doing neither one
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: of those things right now. Number one, they are pissing
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: all over the relationship between people that are interested amateurs
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: and the professional archaeologists. They can't even talk to each
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: other anymore.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: Don't you think that's also a little bit of jealousy
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: because these interested amateurs have all of a sudden— Come
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: to the forefront. And they're making money off of it.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: When Floyd found out that I had supporters, he lost
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: his shit. He's like, people pay him money for the— oh,
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: my fucking God.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: Silly. Silly to worry about that. But it's also like
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: just YouTube revenue. Guys like Ben Van Kirkwick's videos get
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: millions of views. There's real money in it, and they're
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: not making money.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: No, not like that, no.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: And they've got to be pissed.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that's part of it.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: I went to school for this.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: But the other thing, and again, that bylaw says to
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: offer help when requested to interested amateurs. When's the last
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: time Graham Hancock asked one of these cocksuckers for their opinion?
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: They don't. They give him the help whether he wants
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: it or not. They've completely lost the plot.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: Well, the problem is the way they frame it. Like
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: when they were talking about his Netflix show being one
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: of the most dangerous shows on television, how is it?
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: dangerous to talk about evidence of a lost civilization. That
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: seems insane.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: Their egos are at the fore. Have you ever read
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: that letter that they wrote to Netflix? Yes. They had
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: three problems, right? They list them one, two, three. Now,
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: you would assume these are professional archaeologists and they're talking
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: about Graham Graham. You'd assume number one is he got
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: a bunch of shit wrong.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: No, number one is he talks shit about archaeologists and
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: he doesn't listen to us. That was number one. They
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: couldn't even hide their ego in the fucking list. It's
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: like this.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: Is also not true.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: They're petulant children. I swear to fucking God.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: Also not true. Yeah. He listens. Oh, dear.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: He puts them on.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: The difference is he doesn't want to deal with the guy.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: If you're going to come in and just poo-poo everything
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: and say, no, that's not true. No, that's not true. No,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: that's not true. Well, then, yeah, you're not going to.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to put up with that shit. You
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: guys have an actual conversation with me. Sure.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: But if you're just. What were the other two problems?
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: The other two problems. One was that he was wrong. Well,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: the other one was that it promotes white supremacy. And
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: the best part about that is they say because this theory,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: the exact wording is this theory dates to 1882 and
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: Ignatius Donnelly, blah, blah, blah. Ignatius Donnelly was a left,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: he was liberal as fuck. He was a feminist and
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: an abolitionist, but he was also a white dude in
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: the 1800s. He's racist as fuck by modern standards, right?
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: Just like all the archaeologists were back then, but don't
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: bother with that. They pick him and they say, this
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: guy's the one that started the problem. He's the one
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: that created this theory, but you go back 20 years
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: and Augustus Le Plignon and some other dude, I'm losing
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: his name right now, but there were two French Americans
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: that believed that the Maya were the Atlanteans, that the
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: Maya had conquered the world, that the Maya were the
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: master race, if you're going to look at it that way.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: But they're going to ignore that when they submit this
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: stuff to Netflix because it doesn't... They wanted to make
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: it sound like this entire shit was created to support
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: white supremacy when it was actually not.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: But they.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: So my point here is.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: In a debate when it constantly revolves around, you guys
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: are lying about our past. They lie about what happened
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: 15 fucking minutes ago on the internet where you can
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: all see it. And then they wonder why we are like, ha,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: you guys do lie about the fucking boneheads.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: Sorry. So this, this guy, what was his theory? The
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: first guy that is problematic, even though he's a liberal
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: and a feminist.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, well, he believes that it is white supremacy. He
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: believes that, uh, the three biblical races, um, you know,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: we're aware of that. Like Noah's three kids, um, Sam
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: is the Semitic race. The Hamite race was the Africans.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: And then the other one ended up being the Aryans.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: It was the white people. And these three biblical races
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: have biblical racism, they call it. It's been like a
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: thing for a thousand years. But he just clung to
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: that idea that it was basically these races of after
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: post Noah and all this.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: So like, do you.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: Know the story with Noah, like he got drunk afterwards?
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, could you, you might want to pull this up, Jimmy.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: After it's all done, Noah gets all drunk and he's
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: like laying around naked and one of his sons laughs
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: at him and one of them doesn't. So like he
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: curses the lowest of them and he praises the highest.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: And when you see the Bible verse, it's like, you're
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: going to be the servants to this one and he
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: can sleep in your tent whenever he wants. And you
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: can see why this was used to promote Noah. racial superiority.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: But that's where it came from. So if they really
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: wanted to, they could have been saying the Bible created
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: racism and that was a problem.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: But it's also very silly to connect the idea of
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: ancient civilizations to one person. That's so silly. It's so silly.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: When you're talking about evidence all over the world, we're
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: talking about Baalbek, we're talking about the Maya, we're talking
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: about the Egyptians, we're talking about All over the world.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: And you're going to connect it to white supremacy. Isn't
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: it more plausible that we don't know what happened? Just
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: a little bit.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, but you got to understand, these guys are
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: the ones that follow. Like, I break your rule some
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: and I argue with the people in the trenches, right?
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: And the guys that follow Flint Dibble, they have all
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: the time. They'll make fun of you. You believe in
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: lost civilizations. And my answer is, do you think we
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: found every civilization?
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, no.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: So you're just throwing around stupid shit, just talking crap.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: The idea that there'd be evidence left over other than
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: the stuff that we've already found, like what are you
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: looking for that's 100,000 years old? It doesn't mean that
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: there wasn't something going on 100,000 years ago. It seems
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: like there was definitely something going on at least 12,000
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: years ago. So that fucks up our whole timeline.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: And they want to still attribute that to hunter-gatherers just
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: for convenience. The idea that the Gobekli Tepe structures were
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: made by hunter-gatherers, like why would they do that? Yeah.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: How did they do that? How come they didn't make houses,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: but they made that stuff?
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: How come?
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: That's a tough one, man.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: What were their tools?
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: They're looking at, you know, Car on Tepe, they're actually
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: talking about covering that again. Like, did it go back,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: which is fucked. I don't know if you know Megalithomania,
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: Hugh Newman. He's, there's not a lot of people that
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: I would mention on your show, but he's definitely one
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: of them. He's a badass. He's been doing this forever.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: And He's doing all this archaeoastronomy work out there at Carontepe,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: and they're getting ready to cover it. He's just going, uh, uh.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: Why are they covering it?
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: They're claiming it's for tourism to protect the site and
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: all this.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: What do you think it is? I don't know.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: That might well be it. How does it.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: Protect the site, though, if you don't want it?
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: But it's stone, right? Yeah.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, it gets weird when you look at
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: the third world because— Or poorer countries like that because,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: you know, my iPhone could feed a family over there
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: for a month. So it's like these guys are going
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: to do— they' ve got a different set of priorities than us.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: Right. So— But wouldn't you think that more things getting
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: exposed would equal more tourism, which would equal more revenue?
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: Yes and no.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: I did a video a while back about Zahi Hawass
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: being a heel, like a wrestling heel.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: Deliberate.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: I'm 100% on this.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: Really? Oh, yeah.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that he doesn't do shady shit. I'm
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: saying that he plays the villain. I'll give you some examples.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: There's a clip of him shortly after Arab Spring. He's
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: talking about how to increase tourism. He has two things. One,
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: you don't want tourists from any old country. You want Japanese, Americans, Chinese, Germans.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: You don't want the rest. You want people to come
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: in and change your world. Second thing is Doesn't matter
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: what's happening in Egypt. Those new age people, they come.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: Doesn't matter if it's Arab Spring. Doesn't matter if tourism
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: is down by 40%. Those new age people, they come. He's...
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: So then, did I find something? Yes, I found it. No,
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: I didn't. No, I didn't.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, I did.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, I did. No, I didn't. No, I didn't.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: Yes, I did.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: It's... You're... Come and investigate. Come and investigate. Come and look.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: Come and see for yourself. Come and pop into those
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: little holes and look for yourself. Go look at the
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: place that I told you there was nothing. I think, honestly,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: that's his whole reason that he's playing it to the hilt.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: And I think Lee Clare is doing the same thing
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: right now. If you watch Lee Clare on— I don't
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: know who that is. Lee Clare is the archaeologist in
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: charge of Gobekli Tepe. He's a big, big dude down there.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: And if you look at him on Twitter, he's doing
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: the exact same thing. He's constantly arguing. He's picking at Jimmy.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: I actually block the guy. I don't block many scientists
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: that aren't constantly antagonistic towards me. Every day I'd wake
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: up and he's more talking shit about me. He's just
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: pissing everybody off. And the whole point, in my opinion,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: is to make it where people want to come and
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: look at what you're hiding. If something's being hidden, you
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: have to have a villain hiding it, right? Give me
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: a touchstone. What the fuck is all you want?
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: Think about it.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: What is Zahi Hawass hiding? Is that a crazy.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: Statement to make? No, it's not.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: And I think he cultivated that. I think that's an
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: image that he made to increase tourist revenue.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: So you think he created this character to make it
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: so that people want to combat against him and then
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: go there and see and look around? Spend money. Yeah.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's the whole.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: I think he went a little too tinfoil. I think
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: it's a little more simple than that. Yeah. I think
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: he's been in control of the narrative there for a
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: long time. And there's also some weird stuff with things missing.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, I'm not saying that he didn't steal stuff.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: The weird stuff with things missing is like you would
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: want to really control the narrative. If like skeletons that
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: you reported discovering, then you say there's no skeletons, right?
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: Isn't there one of those in one of the sarcophaguses?
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Jimmy was hammering away at that one.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: There was an original story from like the 80s that
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: they found the skeleton. No, no, skeletons. And the problem
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: is what we were talking about before, that there are
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: wealthy people that will pay you an enormous amount of
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: money for the skeleton. So if you got some dude,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: you know, he's got Saudi Arabian money and he's like,
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: you know, it'd be dope. I want a fucking Egyptian
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: mummy in my house. And people had them. I mean,
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: this was a thing that people were eating them. Yes, yes, yes.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: God.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: When I told Danny Jones that, he's like, what the fuck?
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: Pull that up now. People would have these mummy unwrapping
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: parties at their homes, these very wealthy people, and they
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: would eat the mummies.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: I bet you a lot of those elongated skulls ended
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: up in similar places.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: I know, but, like, whose house? How many houses? Who
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: are these people? Like, how does no one tell on them?
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but, I mean, you know, five years
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: ago I would have said, dude, I don't know about
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: all this, man. But now you look at that island,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: you're like, what would you.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: Do if somebody gave you an elongated skull? Would you
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: give it to a museum? Like, what would you do? Like,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: if somebody gave you one of those really dope Peruvian
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: skulls that are crazy without the sagittal suture. You're looking
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: at the enormous brain capacity, the size of the head.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: You're like, what? The size of the eye sockets.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: I have scientist after scientist experience. Finger fucking that thing
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: until we got somewhere.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: Right. But would you bring it somewhere where other people
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: could see it? Would you allow the scientists to take
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: control of it and to take hold of it? Because
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: this is my friend John Reeves up in Alaska. You know,
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: he's had some real issues with that. Yeah. Where they'll
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: take bones and then they'll go up. Nope. Never getting
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: them back. Yeah.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: And they'll end up in the bottom of the harbor.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And he won't. But this was before his time.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: But yeah, they did that. Was that the American Museum
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: of Natural History? Is that it? So the thing he
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: does now is, like, if you want to do work
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: on these bones, you've got to come to Alaska. Yeah.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: And he built a whole scientific research building. Well, it
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: makes sense. Yeah. He's like, I don't trust any of
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: you motherfuckers.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: Hell, you know where the Baghdad Battery is right now,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: don't you?
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: Where?
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: Nobody knows. It was grabbed by Alphabet Boys at the
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: beginning of the 2000s. Which Alphabet Boys?
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: Ours.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: But which one?
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure. Might be one we don't even know about.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: All I know is it was.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to say I doubt that the soldier
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: that went in there had decided he wanted that thing
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: for himself.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: But speaking of the Baghdad battery, I got a cool
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: little theory on that. I don't know if you've ever
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: seen that, but I don't think it was for electricity.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: I think it was to separate metal. If you were
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: to use for the electrolyte, if you were to take
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: mine runoff that had like gold and silver and copper
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: and iron and nickel and magnum, all that bullshit, you
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: put it in that thing... After a while, that exact
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: cell that we had, the copper would have a buildup
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: of gold, copper, and silver. All the other shit would
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: go to the bottom. I think it was a way
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: for them to separate. I think the discovery of this
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: would be super easy. Drop a copper coin and a
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: metal nail into a puddle of that and come back
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: in two days, and you're going to see the buildup
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: of gold on that coin. This explains why inside of
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: the thing, there's no residue at all, which is one
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: of the reasons they say it didn't happen. They were
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: harvesting the residue. is my opinion. And this is why
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: you couldn't... Wouldn't there be trace amounts?
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: Even if they were harvested?
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: Now, that's where it would be nice to test it now.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: It hasn't been looked at in a long time. You know,
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: it hasn't been tested for anything in a long time.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: And where is it? It's gone.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: It's right next to those skulls and those mummies. It's
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: on some dude's shelf that will.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: Really? Yes.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: This is a picture of a street mummy cellar in 1875.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ! So this article on Big Think was saying
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: that this was so popular from 1200 to about the
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: 12th century to the 18th century that they kind of
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: ran out of mummies.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Can you imagine you could fly over there and
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: pick up a mummy?
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: Well, that's before these parties were even happening.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: Imagine if we had one of those in the corner
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: over there. They thought it was medicine? Yeah, mummia.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: We've talked about this once before, but there's these. This
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: shit exists all over the place.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: And I wonder if any of them would have been
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: better than Khufu's.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: Go to Lot 99 Apothecary Antiques. Right up there, upper left.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: What? Look at that.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: It's apothecary. So this is like medicine.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: Mumia. So it's like mummy juice.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: This article gets fucking gross.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: Mummy powder. Sprinkled on your stick.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 3: They were so popular for a long time, they disappeared
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: kind of. It was hard to get them. So they
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: started forging stuff.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: Oh my God. How dark is it that people bought
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: all the dead bodies?
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: Not all doctors thought dry old mummies made the best medicine.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: Some doctors believe that fresh meat and blood had a
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: vitality the long dead lacked. Those guys went to the island.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: Napoleon was bringing them back and then they would have
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: some parties, quote unquote parties. But that was just still
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: like they were doing like research almost, if you could
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: say like some medicine research. And then that didn't last.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: That was like 30 years of that. And then they
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: just started having actual parties. To show how rich you were.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: What the fuck? Hold up. Pause right here. 1834, the
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: surgeon Thomas Pettigrew unwrapped a mummy at the Royal College
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: of Surgeons. In his time, autopsies and operations took place
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: in public, and this unwrapping was just another public medical event. Soon,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: even the pretense of medical research was lost. By now,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: mummies were no longer medicinal but thrilling. A dinner host
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: who can entertain an audience while unwrapping was rich enough
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: to own an actual mummy. The thrill of seeing dried
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: flesh and bones appearing as bandages came off meant people
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: flocked to these unwrappings, whether in a private home or
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: the theater of a learned society. Strong drink meant audiences
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: were loud and appreciative.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 3: And then at some point they tried to say that
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 3: you were getting cursed by doing this.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, for sure. Well, didn't the people that filed
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: two in commons to him, didn't they all die?
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: That's what this comes up with next, is two in common.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: Sudden death of the Lord. Carnarvon. Mm-hmm.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you can understand why people would think that, too.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're going around and not just defiling the grave, man.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: You eat the motherfucker?
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: Come on. So there might be something to a curse
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: like that. Especially if you believe it. That's the problem.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: That's how I think voodoo really works. If you really
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: believe that someone could put a hex on you, you're like, oh, no.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: I was joking with this hippie girl in Sedona about that.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: She was telling me about. Practical magic look at.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: This today the black market of antiquity smuggling including mummies
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: is worth about three billion dollars, huh? So today still
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: the black market right now three billion a year a
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: year That's a lot. Yeah, that's a fortune. That's a
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: fortune and just in shit that should be in a
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: museum Three billion a year. Yeah It just makes sense
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: when we see people that are just fucking insane and
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: And they're rich and they just want a thing that
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: no one– that's like the whole thing about like rhino horn, right?
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: They want to drink rhino horn tea because nobody could
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: get it because it's illegal. Yep.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: You guys were talking about the Rockefellers earlier, and there's
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: a museum started in Jerusalem where they're– the Rockefeller Archaeological Museum.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: They had 60,000 artifacts dating back to 2 million years ago,
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: including a reported 100,000-year-old skeleton almost complete.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: Damn. Whoa. What happened?
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: They also had another one that was 6,500 years old
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: that a while ago was being reported as Noah. This
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: is where the Dead Sea Scrolls were for a while
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: until they were taken over and then moved to the
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: Dead Sea Scrolls, a different museum now that Israel has
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: been officially formed because they were there when it wasn't actually.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: Officially Israel, I guess. Wow.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 3: And there's a copper scroll I just stumbled across I
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 3: didn't know about that was moved to Amman and is
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: now part of the Jordan Museum. Wow.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: What's that one look like?
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: Click on that. That looks made out of metal and tin.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: That was part of the Dead Sea Scrolls? It was
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: made out of copper? Whoa. Well, that's a replica.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 3: Well, that part is probably, I guess. But yeah, it
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: said it was found in Cave 3 where everything else
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 3: was written on parchment. This was written on metal.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: Holy shit. That's insane. Copper mixed with about 1% tin.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: Although no metallic copper remained in the strips, the action
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: of the sentries had been to convert the metal into
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: brittle oxide.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: Unlike the others, it's not a literary work, but a
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: list of 64 places where various items of gold and
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: silver were buried or hidden. Not a story, it's a
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: treasure map.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: Wow, a treasure map written on copper.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: And a day when copper was a treasure.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 3: And this is a facsimile as now.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: On display. There's got to be so much we're missing.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: No, so much we're missing.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: So much buried stuff. So much. Like, just think of
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: sub-Saharan Africa used to be lush and green. Like, what
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: is under there?
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: What's under there? Yeah, that's dead on. Exactly.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: All across. There's so many places in the world that
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: are that way, if you ask me. It's like Easter Island.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: when the sea levels were lower and that thing was
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: a lot bigger and it was part of a series
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: of islands that jumped from one to the next. You
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: know what navels of the world are, right?
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: Navels of the world, like.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: Navel.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like a world, like the Yggdrasil, the world tree, right?
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: Like it connects the underworlds here and heavens. This idea
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: is super common. Cusco had one. The Wailing Wall is one.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: You're going to go kiss the wall? That's a world navel.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: These are always the Oracle of Delhi, world naval. These
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: are always centers of the society.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: Jerusalem, Delhi, Cusco, except for there's one at Easter Island.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: The far flung corner of the Polynesian Empire has a
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: world naval. But if you lower the sea levels and
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: look at that as a string of islands, all of
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: a sudden it is the center of the empire. So
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: I really like that scenario. Out of all the places
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: on the planet, I think Easter Island has the most
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: that if we were to because it's been dug at
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: the least and has a lot there still. I mean,
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: it's been looted hard, but it hasn't been looted like
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: Rome has been or Egypt has been, not even close.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: And I think that, I think honestly, there's going to
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: be a lot more there the more that we look.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: I think, unfortunately, stuff happens too quick. We find the
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: stuff and two days later, it becomes like the tridactyl mummies.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: Two days later, it becomes a news story. Half the world,
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: like you say, everything's all polarized now. You can even
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: pick and choose your fucking scientists when it comes to
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: medicine nowadays, Joe. It's completely polarized. So when it comes
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: to something like archaeology, hey, fucking who do you want?
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: What side of the table do you want? You'll find
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: somebody with credentials that are close enough to get in
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: line with you.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: I was talking to a friend of mine about the
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: South American stuff. He said the cartels are a huge
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: problem because they realize this $ 3 billion thing. of selling
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: these antiquities, and they're selling stuff to people.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: Luke told me, Luke Caverns, he told me that he
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: witnessed that when he was down there. There was a
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: couple of places he went that he couldn't go into
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: because there were guys with guns out in front.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. So they realized, like, hey, someone's going to
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: give me $ 5 million for this head. Yeah.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: And so, again, we lose everything. We lose all the context.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: How are they not losing those mummified tridactyl skeletons?
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: I'm not really sure. That's a good question.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: You know, I would imagine those are super. Imagine we
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: have one of those sitting on the table right here.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: That would be pretty cool. That would be pretty cool.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: How much do we have to pay for one of those?
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: Probably quite a bit.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: Well, to that part of the world, you might get
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: away with $ 250, 000 like they did those codices. The Mexican government,
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: like I was saying, they bought those codices pretty cheap, man. $ 250, 000
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: is a lot, but it ain't a lot when you
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: start talking about, like, Well, I said that to Matt Bell,
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: if you know who Matt Bell is. He was like,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: that's nothing. Well, of course, to him, it's nothing. But immediately,
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: the guy that has the money, the $ 250, 000, fucking put
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: that on my shelf. Framed that bitch.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, he could have probably auctioned that.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: It was a family he was afraid to. And honestly,
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: that family had been holding it for like 500 years.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: And in all honesty, I bet they were afraid. I honestly,
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: the way things go, I don't know for sure, but
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if there was some strong arming
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: that went on. You can either get paid for it.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: Right. Or we take it.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: Just like when the mob, do you want paid off
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: for this or do you want beat on the head?
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: Right. Right.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: It's just, you wonder how much is lost. Like the
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: burning of the Library of Alexandria, all these different instances
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: throughout history, the burning of the Codexes.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: What is this?
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: This is from Peru.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: This is a website that's got art from ancient Peru
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 3: for sale.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: For sale. Yeah.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 3: There's tons of stuff. Interesting stuff here.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: But the question is, how do you know if it's authentic?
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: That's a huge problem. Because there's a lot of this
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: stuff that's counterfeit. Wow, that's dope. Look at that mask.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 3: It shows the provenance of it. So this one came
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 3: from an archaeologist from 1938. How much does that cost?
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: It says $ 3, 500 or something. Should we get one?
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 3: $ 4, 450.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: How big is that? I'm not buying one. Would you
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: get cursed?
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: No. It says $ 4, 850 on something. I better be able
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: to drive it around or smoke it once.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: Egyptian bronze Cobra.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: Wow. Somebody bought that for $ 2, 000? Wow.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 3: Add to cart right now.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 3: Bam.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: Kind of sick.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: What's this from?
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: How old is it?
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 3: 664 to 30 BCE. Providence.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: Ex-private New York City Egyptologist collection.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: Private New York City.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Providence is weird on all of these. Everything's
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: coming from different places.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's interesting because that's not that expensive for what
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: it is. You've got a piece of Egyptian history. Yeah.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: Well, the Providence thing is kind of a big deal.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: If the Providence on them is solid and it's after
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: a certain date, you can't sell them.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: Show me what that image looks like. So how come
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: this person can sell this?
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: Because the Providence is going to come before that date.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: Like they're going to have been– Been found before that date.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 3: Legally acquired.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 3: So if it wasn't legally acquired, I bet they'd get you.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: So the laws are probably much stricter now than when
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: they acquired it?
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of like assault rifles where there's a
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: time when it's okay to have bought them, but if
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: you bought it after that date, you can't have it.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: Or like pre-ban ivory. Thank you.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, same kind of thing. It's like if you've had
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: this artifact on your family, we're not going to go
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: raiding the Rockefeller shelves, but the rest of you fuckers
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: can't have any new ones.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: You get a gold wing deity pendant for 67 grand.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 3: Gold shaman.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: Yo. Damn, son. Bro.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: That's pretty sick looking. He got six fingers.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: That's the sickest. What's that from?
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: And also, look, he's got the, I guess you could say,
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: monkey on top of his head like that.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: And a two on the side, yeah.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: Why does it say price on a request?
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 3: Maybe that's estimated here.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: So when it says gold standing shaman, is that actual
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: gold made out of gold?
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: There it is, 89% gold.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: What? You can just buy that? Well, look how dope
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: he looks. Look at the image on the side. Go
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: to the side view. The other one?
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: I think it's made in China.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: Well, it's hollow.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it kind of has to be hollow. Oh, fuck.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: Look at that. What a sick looking thing. Show me
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: the front facing view again. That is wild. Wild, man.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: And how old is this supposed to be? Fuck, that's cool.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: That would bring you good luck. Put that on your desk.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: Monkey luck. Oh, man, I think he's got some nipples.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, does he? Oh, when I was looking at things
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: hanging around, I hope he doesn't have trophy skulls.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: Could be.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: They're his hands. Looks like those are cups, but they're faces.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 3: But they're the same as the heads up there.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: They do look like heads. Does he have two heads
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: in his hands?
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: He's got way more than five fingers. He's got seven.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 3: Maybe even eight if he's got a thumb.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: Again, you can meet that guy. Three hits of DMT.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: He's out there. Show me the face forward version at
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: the top.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: This one's been in Alabama for a while, Sid. Wow.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: Crazy. I'm sorry, and how old is it again?
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 3: That's what I was trying to look up.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: 500 to 15, 20, 80.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: Either way, that's nuts. That's pretty interesting.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 3: You could put it on a chain.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: Weighs 148 grams. What's that in a pound?
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: Think it's a lot.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: 28? We're all doing weed math now.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 3: So it's probably half a pound maybe.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: We're all doing weed math.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: What is 128 grams in pounds? Yeah,. 28 pounds. A
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: quarter of a pound.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: Pretty sick.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 3: That is cool.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: It just makes you wonder, like, what were they trying to,
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: what is that? What is that guy? Is that a
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: guy you see when you trip? Because it seems like it. Especially,
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: he's all gold. It seems like something you would see
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: if you were tripping. Yeah.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: A lot of that stuff, you see, a lot of
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: it gets really difficult for me because then I wonder about, like,
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: our iconography. And it's like, you know, somebody could look
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: at something like that belt and be like, I wonder
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: what the symbolism is behind that belt. At the end
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: of the day, it's like no symbolism. It's just it
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: looks cool.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: Or a mascot for a team, you know. Exactly.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: Why is everybody worshiping this Spuds McKenzie dog? Right, right, right, right.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: Why is everybody making the bullhorns at the UT game? Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: But some of these things, you know, are clearly, you know,
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: religious and spiritual and stand the test of time. Like
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of things. the honoring of people with
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: deformations down there went for thousands of years. I mean,
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: this went from the Olmec all the way up till
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: the time that the Spaniards show up.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: I think what's really fascinating is there's so many things
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: that point to South America, so many things that point
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: particularly to Peru, so many things. When you look at
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: the megalithic architecture, especially the oldest stuff, the weird, crazy shapes,
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: And then you also look at the elongated heads. And
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: then you also look at the artwork that you can
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: only see from the sky. Like, how many of these
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: fucking things do you have to see before you went,
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: what was going on here?
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: You should look at some of their textiles that they
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: made in Paracas. Like, I showed that little monkey thing.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: Those guys were so good. If you don't mind pulling
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: up a picture of Paracas textiles, Jamie, they were so
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: fucking amazing that these, like, when I first read about them,
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: I was like, meh. And then I looked at some pictures,
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: and these are like, they're otherworldly. To think that these
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: things were being made over 1,000 years ago, 2,000 years ago.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: When you see them, they're a bunch of little people
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: with just feathers pointed to one side like they're in
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: motion dancing and shit. Like that one you're on right now, Jamie,
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: is a great one. This one here? No, that yellow
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: one you were hovering over. The ones with the people. Look, that's...
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: A textile. Look at that shit. 2,000 years old. Look
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: at fucking how beautiful that is. How well made that is.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: Again, you can see that if you trip. Yeah. It's
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: very trippy, right?
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: It's very psychedelic looking.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: It's very psychedelic. But then you consider that that same
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: culture was doing all these brain surgeries. They were doing
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: the lines on the ground you were talking about. They
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: were modifying skulls. They were building things. And they had people,
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: the artisans like this. This was a culture. This was
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: a full-blown civilization that was above and beyond anything that
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: we'd given credit to at this time. I mean, look, yeah,
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: definitely DMT looking, but also, holy shit, man. Look at
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: how artistic that is.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 2: I know. Look at the little faces that are coming
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: out of his, whatever the fuck's wrapped around his nose.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: That boy's having a bad trip.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: Just wild.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: Wild art. And beautiful.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: So beautiful.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: And so.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: Like everything else in that culture, they were just, it
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: just seemed to be so massively ahead of all their contemporaries. Again,
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: they had that symbol, that Paracas condolabra is visible 12
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: miles out to sea. And you could think about hopping
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: down the coast looking for that. You could think about
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: guys from Easter Island looking for that or from Polynesia
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: looking for that. We've got DNA that supports all that.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: There's a genetic drift both directions. It looks like people
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: went from Easter Island to Peru and then back is
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: what it looks like according to the genetics.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 2: And that was the big sign, like, welcome.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's my thinking. And again, it's like, hey,
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: here we're mingling. Even if it was just here's the
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: guys from the islands and here's the guys from up
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: north and here's us, it still seems like a symbol
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: of like a mixing to me, like a convergence. The
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: DNA stuff, again, that's where it really all got me
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: going on it because it's just you pick your genetic deformation.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: And you see it there, like with the back of
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: the skull. That's just, to me, it's like smoking gun.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: It's like, why were they doing this? Well, here's a
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: very solid, real explanation. And then think about like the
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: evolutionary arms race. This culture is working on bigger brains
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: that has all the intelligence of this species and the
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: ability to see and hear that this species has. And
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: we're trying to get the best of both worlds. And
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: these guys aren't. You're going to get wiped out by
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: us in 1,000 years, 5,000, 10,000. Evolution is going to
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: kill you off and prop these up. I think it
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: happened all over the fucking world, and Paracas is just
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: the last place that was still doing it. But I
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: think that that elongated schools. That's why we see it
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: all over the world. As soon as humans, as soon
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: as Homo sapiens and archaic lineages with bigger brains than
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: us in the back started mingling, I think this was
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: like a requirement.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: This is all post-Younger Dryas impact too.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: Right around– like the oldest skulls that we know of
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: are around 10,000 BC.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: The oldest. Yes.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: That we know of are in– the oldest elongated.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: Which is post. Yes.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: Just right after that.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: Right afterwards. In China. So that's the other part of
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: the question. It's like if there was a cataclysmic event
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: that wiped out vast chunks of civilization, how much was
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: left– how much survived– Because it seemed like South America
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: didn't get hit as hard as North America and parts
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: of Europe and Asia, right?
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Africa was almost unscathed.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: Right, right, right, right.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: Comparable, at least according to the megafaunas, right?
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: Right, so that gets real weird. It does. It's like, so, okay,
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: were those people down in South America fine? And what happened?
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: Was that where advanced civilization existed on Earth and the
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: only place? Because advanced civilization in these other places had
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: been wiped out? Yeah.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: Honestly, I think that that makes the most sense to me.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: And what happened to them? That's the real question.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: Well, the Paracas people?
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: What happened before the fall? Well, what happened to the
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: people that built these megalithic structures? What happened to the
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: society that existed? Like, was it just time?
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. They still had, you know, by
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: the time of the Spanish showing up, the Inca were
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: still doing those trephinations in the skull so well that
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: they were up to an 80% survival rate. The Civil
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: War was about 40%, by the way. Like our Civil
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: War doctors and American Civil War, the only Civil War,
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: our doctors were about at 40%, about half as good
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: as the Inca at drilling holes in heads and letting
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: somebody through.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, fuck, dude. And why were they drilling holes
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: in heads?
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: Same reason, because it relieves pressure. So like I'm saying
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: that they were doing it as one of the reasons
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: to relieve the pressure from the headache, but if you
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: just get it, somebody hits you in the head hard enough,
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: you're going to swell up in the brain. You've got
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: to relieve pressure, so they drill a hole to get
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: it out. Um, this was, uh, yeah, a lot of
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: the musket balls that didn't kill a man outright would
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: leave a water on the brain kind of thing. So
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: they'd have to do what they could to relieve the pressure.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: It's, it's ugly when you, I would not want to have,
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: if I would've got shot in the civil war battlefield,
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: knowing what I know now, I'd say, just fucking shoot
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: me right here.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: Finish the job. So my, my question is like, why
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 2: don't we see people that live in Peru with larger
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 2: heads and elongated skulls today?
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: Probably because it's illegal to do it.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 2: Is that it? Is it just a deformation thing or
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 2: is it a deformation thing, you know, manipulated thing on
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: top of a cranial deformation that's natural?
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: Now, if it was the partial natural cranial deformation, I
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: think eventually that would have been bred to be smaller
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: and smaller and less of a pronounced issue. As those,
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: like I was showing those bones in the back that
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: basically do the play and stuff. I think that over
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: time that we would evolve more accommodating things for it,
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: but that it's, I mean, we still have people that
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: have those Chiari malformations today. You know, that cat scan
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: wasn't from 2000 years ago. People still have this issue,
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: but I think that over time, you know, the ones
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: that were too bad at it, their brains are just
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: too fucking big. They're going to die off. And honestly,
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: I think that there was probably some of that Inca
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: type of clan warfare going on. Now that's just complete speculation,
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: but I mean, there was something, You know, I don't know.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: There was something about a thousand years ago that caused
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: all the cliff dwellers and all that shit. Like there
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: was none of these people lived in the cliff dwellings
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: like 2,000 years ago and then they all moved into
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: the cliffs and they all stayed for like a hundred
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: years and they came back out like there was some
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: war going on you'd see a tribe of about 5,000
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: people would split up into a bunch of little bands
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: of 500 or 200 or at the most 50 the
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: Gila cliff dwellings they say had about 60 people that
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: lived in them 60 it's nothing and they came from
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: a place about a thousand.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 2: So you think they were trying to survive raiders?
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: I think that it was pretty clearly warfare. And an
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: interesting side note, something that I've never, I went to
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: the Gila Cliff dwellings when I came through here last month.
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: And I drove, a buddy of mine, we drove through
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: New Mexico and the big old oil fields of Texas.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: And we stopped at the Gila Cliff dwellings. And so
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: I looked them up afterwards to make my video about it.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: And they redacted. The artifacts and shit are redacted. It
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: looks like reading a fucking Epstein list emails. It's just
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: like black bar, black bar, black bar, black bar. And
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: what am I looking for? Just what they found.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: And this is just the people that lived in the cliffs? Yeah.
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 2: Why would they redact?
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: Archaeologists, this is the peer-reviewed archaeology, like the papers that
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: they submitted afterwards. They just, because of what they found.
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: The explanation given is they redact information so that people
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: don't go digging up shit.
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: So they're like, OK, except for in the same paper,
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: it says we didn't dig here and we think there's
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: artifacts here a few different times. They're redacting the things
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: that they found and the people that took and on
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: some occasions where they were found. It's and it's not
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: the only thing in South in the Southwest.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 2: It's that way.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: The more I look, I see it's fairly common.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: Why do you think they're doing that?
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: They're finding something they don't want people to know. Maybe
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: they're selling on the black market would be the most
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: obvious explanation, but like the most mundane. But when it
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: becomes a ubiquitous problem. The short answer is the same
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: as why they cover up the shit on the Epstein list,
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: to cover it up, to hide it. There's something there
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. And what for sure?
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: I can't read it in the black bars.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 2: What could you even speculate? Like what would they be
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 2: trying to hide about cliff-dwelling civilizations?
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 1: It could be nothing more than an out-of-place artifact.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: It could be an out-of-place artifact. Out-of-place artifact. How so?
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 2: Like what do you mean?
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: Like what we consider the anti-Kitzer mechanism to be, something
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: that's more advanced for its time. So if they just
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: found something that– say they don't think that these guys
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: could work iron and they found an iron arrowhead there
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: that wasn't a trade piece.
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 2: It was pre-Columbian. You think they would redact that?
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know. But I know they redacted a lot.
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: But is there a possible explanation that they just redacted
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: where these things were so that people wouldn't go back
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 2: to the area?
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: It would be if they didn't have so much of
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 1: the stuff that was– like– It'll say, we went to
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: this site and we found black bar. And then we
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: went to this site and we found black bar. So-and-so
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: took black bar. And then it'll be another site that
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: it says, at this site, we thought there would be
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: some artifacts that we haven't dug yet. Well, why is
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: it that site not black barred? That's the one that I'm,
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: out of all of them, that's the one I want
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: to go to because that's the one you said there's
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 1: still shit left to dig up.
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 1: But that's the one, according to their explanation, that's the
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 1: one they'd black bar. But they don't black bar that.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: So it honestly looks convoluted. It looks like they're selling
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: a false bill of goods with that.
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 2: I haven't. What are the other possibilities, the reason why
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 2: they would redact it other than out of place artifacts?
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 1: The first one, like honestly, the most mundane is just
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 1: to sell stuff. That's a really cool fucking piece. I'm
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 1: going to go sell it to Rockefeller.
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 2: And that could be it.
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 1: That could be it.
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 2: And that way they don't have to say what was there.
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: They redact it. And then there's no need to explain
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 2: where it went. That's right. That makes more sense.
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: That makes the most sense.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: That makes the most sense.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: It does make the most sense.
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 2: That's got money involved.
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: Straight and mundane.
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 2: And people love those things.
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: But it's become, like I say, it's interesting. All over
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 1: the Southwest. It's not just one or two sites. I
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 1: just stumbled onto it because I was looking up the
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 1: Gila Clifton because it happened to have been there. And
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 1: that's where I mean, I haven't dug into it enough
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 1: to put it all together. But it's, you know, when
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 1: I was here last time, the cover up stuff was
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: something I was a whole lot less live. I was
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 1: a whole lot less accepting of a top down kind
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: of cover up thing. But the skull stuff has honestly
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 1: got me where it's just like, dude, there's too much
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 1: of this information that disappears as I use it. I
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: put it in a link in the video and two
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: weeks later, I can't fucking find it again. It's like
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 1: at a certain point becomes quite obvious that something's being
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: hidden when the maps change over 100 years and we
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 1: lose information. You get on Google and ask for the
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 1: island of Nui elongated skull. It'll tell you it never happened,
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 1: but then you can bring up a bunch of expeditions
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: of people that had them from the.
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 2: It's constant.
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 1: It's a constant. The information is just not easily accessible.
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: It's hidden. It's covered up. And I don't know why.
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 1: 100% don't know why. I've got some suspicions. I think
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: some of it probably has to do with people's belief
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 1: systems as to where we came from. To give you
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: an example... Like archaeology, like science in general fought against
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: the idea of gradualism and catastrophism, depending on the early
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 1: days of science, it was out to prove the Bible.
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: So things like erosion weren't what was looked at. It
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 1: was things like floods and the walls of Jericho collapsing.
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 1: But then the evolution and then geology, it's about the
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 1: same time. It's really slow, gradual. So it became gradualism
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 1: was the rule of the day. And I shit you not,
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: these two did not become melded together in what they
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: call punctuated equilibrium until 1980 with the discovery of the
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: KT impact disaster, the whole six-lib crater. When they accepted that,
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 1: the scientific community finally figured out what a fucking five-year-old
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 1: could tell you that looked out the window every day.
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: Sometimes things happen slowly and gradually. Other times things happen
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 1: catastrophically and fast. It took science 100 years to wrap
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: its fucking head around that because of preconceived ideas based
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 1: on the Bible and where we came from. So I
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised at all if that same kind of
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 1: psychology was here.
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 2: Evolution is bullshit. This proves it. Who knows?
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 1: But it seems like the psychology side of it seems
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: most likely to me that there is some underlying reason
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: that they're just pushing a narrative and that this flies
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 1: in the face of it. But again, that's total speculation
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 1: on my part.
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 2: One of the weirdest aspects of this whole UAP thing
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 2: was that there were supposedly meetings with pastors where they
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 2: were talking about some imminent disclosure that was going to
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 2: be very disturbing to some of their people. And the
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 2: speculation was that it was some sort of evidence of
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 2: human engineering, like that human beings had been genetically engineered.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: And that religion itself had been made by extraterrestrials in
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 2: order to placate mankind and keep everybody calm and together. Sure.
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's interesting stories.
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 2: But the weirdest one, like all the religion stuff made
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: by aliens seems goofy. People made by aliens seems less goofy.
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 2: It seems like something we would do. If you went
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 2: to another planet and you found monkeys and you said, well,
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 2: let's take these monkeys and add a little, do a
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 2: little of this, do a little of that. I mean,
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 2: if there's evidence that people were doing that in Peru,
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 2: if that's real, we know that the Nazis were eugenists.
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 2: We know that that's a concept, that people do things
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 2: like that. We know that we engage in genetic engineering
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 2: of animals. Yeah. We know that we brought back the
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 2: dire wolf. There's a lot of weird stuff that we do.
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 2: Now imagine something infinitely more advanced than us that finds
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 2: us and goes, there's a lot of potential in these genes.
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: Add a little.
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 2: Cut 100 million years out of the fucking evolutionary biological process.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: Let's just fucking ramp these motherfuckers up right quick.
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: Go to Zachariah's stitching route and make him lust for
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: gold and silver. And then every so often we'll just
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 1: come back, raid Fort Knox, call it a day.
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 2: It's also the Book of Enoch.
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's really interesting. There's a lot of these things
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 1: that do seem to line up with it. You know,
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: the ancient alien stuff is.
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 2: Super weird.
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 2: Like I.
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: You know, it's honestly using the same kind of thinking
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: that you were just using on the black bars.
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 2: It's like.
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: It's always... The aliens are always the last thing I
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 1: want to posit because it's just the most unlikely.
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 2: That's where you and me differ.
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: You know, I was one of the ancient alien guys,
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: David Childress. I was in his living room talking with
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: him about it, and he couldn't quite get where my
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 1: brain is on this because I'm skeptical but not, I guess.
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 1: And I told him, basically, I said, look at it
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 1: like this. If you walked into the bathroom right now
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 1: and you came back in here and your wallet was
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: missing— Now, I could tell you that a dog came
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 1: in here and grabbed your wallet and ran out the
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 1: door with it. I could tell you an alien came
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 1: in here and grabbed your wallet and ran out the
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 1: door with it. But you're going to think that I
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 1: fucking did it. And that doesn't mean there's no aliens.
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 1: It doesn't mean there's no dogs. It just means that
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 1: we all know what's most likely. And we really use that,
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 1: that it's just like with the black bars. It's like, yeah,
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: maybe it's an out-of-place artifact or maybe he's just selling
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 1: it to some fucking cocksucker. And so that's where I
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: always– I'm not opposed to the idea of ancient aliens,
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: but you've got to get me there. But then on
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 1: the flip side, like what you said about them changing us,
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, you could take that even to the nth degree.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 1: Look at like you've seen the idea that the pyramids
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 1: were chemical purification plants, the land of Kim, right? One
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 1: of the things that he says jokingly, but he'll say,
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 1: you know, if an alien race came here and you
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 1: were trying to set up shop, one of the first
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 1: things you would do would be set up ways to live.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 1: make chemicals and make, make the stuff that you need
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 1: to make your society. And you would use what was
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 1: local and what was available. And that does, does jive, right?
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 1: It does make sense. So there's always, I mean, I'm
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 1: not completely opposed to the ideas, but there's some things
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 1: that the Occam's razor is a lot sharper on some
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 1: things than others, I guess you could put it.
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 2: But it, You know, I agree. But I think the
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 2: most perplexing part about the pyramids is just that they
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 2: exist at all. Agreed. That they exist at all and
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 2: that they're 4,500 years old at least. It doesn't make sense.
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 2: Not even remotely. It just doesn't make sense. It doesn't
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 2: make sense that something that is so involved and so
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 2: massive and so complex and clearly has a tremendous amount
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 2: of planning and geometry and understanding of So many different
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 2: aspects of construction that we have no idea how they
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 2: accomplished it. There's just too many things that line up
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 2: with that where you just go, what is going on?
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 2: Like isn't it possible that we're missing something? Absolutely.
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 1: We're definitely missing something with the pyramids. I mean this
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 1: is– they think it was 28 years that it was–
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: that the Great Pyramid was built in.
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 2: Based on?
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 1: Based on written records and their assumptions that Herodotus was
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 1: right when he wrote about that part. They just disregard
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: the rest. Herodotus wrote about that maze of Saqqara? Fuck
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 1: that noise.
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: 28-year pyramid? Yeah.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: And I've told so many archaeologists, why don't you go
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: build a fucking fire pit in your backyard with cinder
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: blocks and get back to me on that 28 years?
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 1: It's like you guys, you don't own a fucking tool belt.
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: There is no way. Well, you could have it and
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: you'd have all these teams of people doing all this stuff.
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 2: There's millions of stones.
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 1: I worked in construction for a long time.
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 2: This is the one in China.
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 1: Architects and engineers fuck shit up.
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 3: Heard of this place?
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 2: That one's nuts.
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 3: I saw this one recently, but the thing I thought
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 3: was very strange. They said it was abandoned in the
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 3: 14th century, the Yangshan Quarry. These nubs are on this thing.
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 3: We talk about the nubs being on many different pieces. Yeah,
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 3: they're everywhere.
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 2: They're everywhere all over the world.
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 3: They were saying that they must have clearly had a plan, obviously,
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 3: when they were starting to make it. So the nubs
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 3: were cut on purpose. But they then abandoned it because
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 3: they figured that they made them too big to move.
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 3: They had good planning, but then they also had bad planning.
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 2: So do you think the nubs were involved in the
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 2: lifting and maneuvering of these things? None of that one.
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, that would have to be the plan, I
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 3: would say, if that's why they were purposefully here and
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 3: they're all over it.
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 2: That one looks like it's carved right into the ground, though,
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 2: right into the rock. That doesn't look like a rock
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 2: that was placed there. I might be wrong.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 3: No, this is still, like, they hadn't moved. These never
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 3: got moved. Yeah.
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 2: Right, but it's a part of a quarry where things
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 2: did get moved. Right. That's what's really crazy. Like, look
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 2: at that gap, if you go back to that last
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 2: picture that you just had. Look at the gap between
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 2: those two stones. Now, imagine that that was an individual
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 2: piece of stone that was removed from that gap and
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 2: somehow placed somewhere. And, again, how long ago and who
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 2: fucking did it? Who did it and how did you
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 2: do it? How did you do that? What are you using?
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 2: What? And to say that's not a mystery is fucking nuts.
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 1: I don't understand why they want to get rid of
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 1: the side of the mystery to begin with.
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 2: Look at how that looks. That looks like someone cut
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 2: that out.
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, they started to, but with what?
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 2: Right. But look how big it is. Look how big
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 2: the slab is that's next to that structure. The one
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 2: above it. Yeah, that thing. Look how big that is. Like,
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 2: was that cut out. It looks like it was cut out.
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: A little carving inside of it.
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember where it was in my head.
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 3: It looks like it's floating. I think it's in China too.
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 3: It looks like this, but it was put on top
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 3: of this very small little bit of water.
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 2: I know what you're talking about.
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 3: It's like a fortress or something. I don't want to sidetrack,
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 3: but I'm going to. I was looking into this elongated
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 3: heads thing. It was going on in France up until
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 3: World War I. And why I'm finding a very interesting thing.
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 2: A lot of Neanderthals in France.
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 3: Well, so they were, fashion, baby bonnets were a thing.
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 2: Turn to the left, fashion.
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 3: And why baby bonnets were tied on the baby's heads.
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 3: They did it a little bit of fashion, a little
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 3: bit for protection. But there's something here I kind of
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 3: stumbled across on. If you go back further in history,
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 3: it could make more sense that they're protecting them from spirits.
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 3: And if you tied it tight enough, nothing's.
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 2: Getting in there. Oh, boy. And that reshaped the head?
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 1: And it was not on purpose.
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 2: Look at that poor kid. Oh, God.
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 3: Not on purpose to reshape the head, but that's just
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 3: what happened, you know?
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 2: Look at that baby.
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 1: Like I said, eyes bulging out like a mouse caught.
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 2: In a trap. Oh, fuck, man. Yeah.
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 3: It might have been a protection to just, like, keep your, like,
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 3: kids were dying for, you know, all sorts of reasons
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 3: back then. If they thought something would get into their
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 3: head to kill them, too, they probably would do anything
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 3: they could to protect them. Yep.
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 2: Now, you can't increase the capacity.
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it didn't increase capacity is what I was saying.
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 1: That's what they say. That one's, I mean.
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 2: Could you?
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know.
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 2: Could you stretch it?
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 1: I honestly don't know. That one's kind of frustrating because, again,
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 1: you can pick your expert. There's people that will say
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 1: these elongated skulls have a higher capacity. There's people that
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 1: say they don't. And since you can't go put your
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 1: fingers on them. Fucking pick your expert. Here we are again.
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 1: Right back where we started. What's your opinion? Well, that's
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 1: the truth, my friend. And welcome to 2026.
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 2: Fuck. It's so interesting, particularly Peru. I mean, just all
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 2: the different things that point to a spectacularly odd society. Oh, man. Yeah.
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 2: And you just go, what was it like, man? What
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 2: was reality for them? Why did they make those Nazca lines?
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 2: Why did they make those? beautiful drawings that you could
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 2: only see from the sky.
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 1: The pacific northwest has some shit that's pretty wild they
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 1: was mount coffin which is the place i told you
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 1: where they saw those uh 3 000 burials um in
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 1: the early 1900s the portland star and cement company bought
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 1: mount coffin and the pictures from before are it's like
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 1: a um basalt formation and it looks partially modified um
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 1: I've got three pictures of it there, Jamie, if you
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 1: don't mind. The first one was just Mount Coffin. It
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 1: was like some people, I think it says basalt or something,
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 1: but there's like some people on it. And the Portland
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 1: Star and Gravel Company bought it and they mined it
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 1: all away. Daughters of the American Revolution tried to buy it.
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 1: The Illuminati dude that was all like crazy. Yeah, that's
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 1: the picture of it there. There's a picture of a
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 1: bunch of people standing on it, I think might be
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 1: the next one over. It's like a bunch of dudes
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 1: standing on this basalt formation. It's a skinnier pic, sorry,
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 1: but You can kind of see there where it might
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 1: be artificially modified. The locals say there was all kinds
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 1: of cool treasure in there. Now, the dude that built Longview, R.A. Long,
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 1: Raw Long, built Longview in the shape of a pyramid.
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 1: The floor plan of Longview, not only has it got
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 1: a pyramid floor plan, it's actually got a little, from
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 1: the center, going out like a little cul-de-sac that goes
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 1: out like it's got the focal star from the pyramid
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 1: coming out of it. It's fucking crazy. The floor plan
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 1: of Longview, if you just....
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 2: But.
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 1: The streets were paved. The four main pyramid arcs were
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 1: paved with the gravel that came from that mountain. The
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 1: town is like a goof.
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 2: Can I see some images?
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 3: I'm stuck on the 19. I'm trying to. I got
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 3: to restart.
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 1: But yeah, the guy, it was pretty nuts. The guy
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 1: was like, he was a member of the Freemason stuff.
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 1: And Again, they couldn't buy the mountain. They wouldn't sell
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: it to them. But when they, he bought the gravel.
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 1: He had the roads paved in these weird octagons or
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 1: hexagons instead of, yeah, like a four plane. You can
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 1: see like that, see the four from the center. Like
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 1: if you get a, and.
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 2: How weird.
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 1: And there's, if you get a straight top down view,
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 1: you can see.
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 3: I'm looking at it.
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry.
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 1: But yeah, you can see, there we go. Getting better.
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 3: I think that's harder to see.
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Hmm.
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 1: But, yeah, just map of Longview, Washington. That picture there,
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 1: the destruction of Mount Coffin, see how that's the one
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 1: there that's got all these people on and stuff, and
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 1: they look like the basalt might have been partially modified.
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 1: They're not 100%, right? But there were a lot of
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 1: rumors about treasures being pulled out of that while they
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 1: were tearing it down. But by the time that this
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 1: was all being done, there were already laws against destroying
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 1: Native American– mounds and sites and stuff so real this
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 1: guy uh long was a lumber baron he comes out
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 1: there and wants to build up a lumber mill and
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 1: stuff and all this crap so he builds a town
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 1: of long he's a totally planned city and then he
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 1: built all this goofy pyramid he's got there's a statue
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 1: of him in the middle of town with um a
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 1: girl handing him a rose and she's holding a dozen
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 1: roses and handing him the 13th which apparently is some
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 1: sort of weird freemason shit i don't know all their
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 1: symbolism but all kinds of goofy Freemason symbolism, right? And yeah,
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 1: you see like the town's laid out as a pyramid
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 1: and you see it to the right, the center, how
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 1: it goes out to that little circle on the side.
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 1: Like it's, this was, they've cut off the one line
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 1: since then. No longer do they honor Long's original plan.
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 1: They've actually, he had a statue of him that we
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 1: used to face the rising sun. They've relocated it. That
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 1: town was fucking weird, man. And they went almost like
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 1: they're trying to fight his mojo or something. But that's
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 1: what he did when he stole the Indians mojo. This
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 1: was their burial mound. This is where they found their sacred.
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 1: Fuck all that. Pave my streets with it. Make that
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 1: my mojo. And then somebody else is in there now going, yeah,
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 1: fuck your mojo. It's weird. And, you know, I don't
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 1: need to believe in all the spiritual stuff. But, you know, H.P.
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 1: Lovecraft has a great quote about that. He says, I
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 1: don't need to believe in Santa Claus to know that
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 1: people exchange gifts on December 25th. I can still follow
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 1: your craziness, even if I'm not crazy, right? So in
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 1: this case, they seem to be up to fucking some
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 1: crazy shit over there. But it just happens to be
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 1: where biggest concentration of elongated skulls in history were. And
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 1: history doesn't require, when I say this shit, all the archaeologists, oh,
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 1: there's no proof of, simple math. To be buried here,
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 1: you had to be a noble. To be a noble,
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 1: your skull had to be modified. 3,000 burials were reported. 3,000
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 1: elongated schools. Not complicated here. Not tricky. But they'll argue
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 1: with this to the end. Oh, Dan doesn't know what
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 1: the fuck he's talking about.
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 2: Okay. What is your take on the Grand Canyon?
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 3: Hmm.
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 2: The Grand Canyon stuff is really weird.
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 1: Talking about Kincaid's Cave and shit?
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 1: Dude, that's... Again, one of those things where it's like,
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 1: you know, two years ago I'd have been like, eh,
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 1: it probably is Native American stuff. At this point now,
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 1: I joked the last one of these quest for ancient
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 1: civilization things that we had. I joked on stage when
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 1: they asked, they were talking about different things that I
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 1: said that the next time that we have some 9-11
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 1: type of shit and all the alphabet boys run back east,
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 1: I'm fucking, brought off to the Grand Canyon. It's time, boys.
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 2: Well, right now you can't go into the area.
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because all the alphabet boys are there.
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 2: It's restricted.
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 2: There's a part of the Grand Canyon that's restricted because it's,
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 2: air quote, too dangerous.
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 1: Or it's Native American sacred site, depending.
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 2: On who you ask. But I haven't heard that part.
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 1: That's the explanation that I usually see.
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, that it's Native American sacred site. Did they claim
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 2: it's sacred? I don't know. Because you would imagine the
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 2: whole thing is sacred. You would think. Wouldn't you think
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 2: that they were, like, that's not stopped us before.
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, all of a sudden we
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 1: give a fuck? What about Rushmore?
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 2: But the fact that it happens to coincidentally be the
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 2: place where this guy said he found a cave with
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 2: Egyptian art in it.
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 2: That's where, what year was that story? I want to
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 2: say 1920s. 1909.
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 1: 1909.
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 2: I'm off, sorry. Let's see what is his report. It
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 2: says it's a hoax.
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course it says it's a hoax.
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 2: Well, there were, though.
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 3: There were hoaxes back then.
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 3: There were a bunch of hoaxes. There were a contest
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 3: to try to get your fucking hoax reported the most.
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. I'm sure there's hoaxes. The Grand Canyon hoax,
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 2: the thing that's weird to me is that you can't
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 2: go there. Oh, yeah. A 1909 newspaper story claiming a
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 2: vast ancient underground city complete with mummies, copper tools, hieroglyphs,
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 2: and Oriental, in quotes, or Egyptian-style artifacts have been discovered
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 2: inside the canyon, overwhelmingly regarded as a period tall tale,
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 2: not an archaeological discovery. In March 12, 2009, G.E. Kincaid supposedly,
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 2: a lone explorer who had traveled the Colorado River from
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 2: Green River, Wyoming, to Yuma, April 5th, 1909, paper dramatically
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 2: expanded the claim. It said Kincaid had found a nearly
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 2: inaccessible cave citadel in the canyon that Professor S.A. Jordan
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 2: and the Smithsonian were investigating it. The article described hundreds
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 2: of rooms, mummies in a crypt, copper and gold vessels,
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 2: strange writing, a Buddha-like idol, granaries, and space for up
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 2: to 50,000 inhabitants. Wait, what?
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 2: Said the inhabitants may have originated in Egypt or somewhere
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 2: in the Orient.
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 1: But no, I do know that Jason guy, and he's
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 1: kind of a two-faced piece of crap, so I wouldn't
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 1: trust everything that he says here. If he saw something
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 1: that flew in the face of his.
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 2: Narrative, he will not report it. Who is this guy?
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 1: That Jason Colavito guy. He's a professional debunker that's basically, yeah, he's...
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 1: If you ask Graham Hancock to list off the top
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 1: 10 pieces of shit they argue with him, this guy's
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 1: name's going to come up.
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 2: There's no known physical evidence, no cave complex matching the description,
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 2: excavated material, field notes, photographs, maps, accession records, or peer-reviewed
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 2: archaeological report. The alleged Smithsonian personnel and expedition do not
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 2: correspond to a documented Smithsonian project in the way the
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 2: article claimed. But is there a A documented Smithsonian project
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 2: in the Grand Canyon?
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 1: Well, to me, this is, like, really simple. This is
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 1: the same as it's simple to figure out whether or
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 1: not these skulls have more, like, capacity or not. Just
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 1: fucking let somebody go there. If it's too dangerous, get
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 1: a Native American archaeology team, get some drones, fucking investigate
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 1: and close the door on it.
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 2: But let me ask you this. If they really did find...
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 2: an immense cavern that could have 50,000 people living in it,
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 2: and they found Egyptian hieroglyphs and mummies and sarcophagus or
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 2: whatever they found. Do you think they would hide that?
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 1: That's a tough one. Honestly, something that.
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 2: Don't you think that the people that discovered that would
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 2: become famous? Oh, yeah. And it would be a huge thing,
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 2: and archaeologists would want to get credit for it?
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 1: Yes and no. Like... Let's put it this way. Say,
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 1: for instance, you found something that proved those tridactyl mummies
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 1: were real. You know you're going to get pushback. Now, say,
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 1: for instance, you're a mainstream archaeologist. Your whole job is
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 1: reliant on going through the proper channels. Now, I've seen
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 1: what Flint did to me when I called him out
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 1: as a liar. You know how many people call me?
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 1: They put me in the same fucking camp as Madame
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 1: Blavatsky now. Dead serious. They'll call me total pseudoscientist. They
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 1: say that I believe in all kinds of crazy shit.
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 2: Who's that person you just said?
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 1: Madame Blavatsky.
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 2: Who's that?
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 1: She's one of the old, like the turn of the
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 1: century during the, like 100 years ago when everybody was,
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 1: what do they call it? They're in the mesmerism era
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 1: and stuff when all the people were seances and she
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 1: was one of those.
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 2: Bullshit artist.
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 1: And so she they put me in the same category.
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 1: Like the guy that I talked to about the metallurgy
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 1: and the ice age is an ice core specialist. Flint
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 1: crawled up his ass and got this dude to retract
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 1: what he said and stuff. If you're a mainstream archaeologist
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 1: and you fly afoul of these other guys, you're liable
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 1: to lose your job. Like I was saying earlier, it
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 1: says it right in the Wikipedia thing. If you posited
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 1: an earlier dating of the people in the Americas than this,
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 1: these guys were going to destroy your career.
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 2: I understand that. But to get the military involved and
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 2: to block off the Grand Canyon because there's an area
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 2: that's too dangerous or it's an area that's sacred to
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 2: Native Americans, to me is a bit of a reach
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 2: that you get the Pentagon involved and they send fucking–
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 2: Blackhawk helicopters circle the area and make sure that hikers
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 2: aren't climbing in there. Something's up there.
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 1: Something's up there. I mean, it might be nothing more
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 1: than they got a military base sitting in there. I mean, dude,
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 1: in Sedona, holy shit, I'd never seen a UFO. When
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 1: I was in Sedona, there's what they call Secret Mountain,
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 1: and these dudes handed me these night vision goggles, and
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 1: it was like you're seeing all these little things in
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 1: the air, and then it was like five lights come
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 1: out from this cloud, they move in unition, and then
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 1: they all disappeared together. And I was like, all this
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 1: happens over Secret Mountain all the time?
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah. Sedona's a weird place, man. Sedona's fucking weird, man.
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 2: And the people there are weird as fuck.
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 1: I have never seen so many hustlers that weren't hooked
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 1: on meth in my fucking life. Everybody there's got a
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 1: way to make 20 bucks here, 20 bucks there. But
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 1: that's because it's more expensive to rent a home in
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 1: Sedona than it is to rent business property on the
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 1: main drag. They can't get minimum wage people to work there. They, they,
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 1: it's 20 miles to the nearest town, 15 miles to
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 1: the nearest town. So like they have a real hard time.
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 1: Sedona is just kind of collapsing under its own weight.
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 2: Well, it's all new agey people, right?
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 1: All new agey people. And they're all trying to make
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 1: a buck any way they can.
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 2: So why are the new agey people attracted to Sedona?
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 1: Because of the, uh, because of the, uh, what do
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 1: you call it?
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 1: The, the, the reputation of, uh, You know, it's funny,
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 1: that guy, my buddy Robert, he's organizing this whole thing
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 1: that's going to be at the ACL. He's lived in
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 1: Sedona for years, and he tells me like a lot
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 1: of these vortices, like there was like three of them
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 1: that were energy vortices that were known about. And then
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 1: this woman comes through in the 80s or the 90s,
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 1: and he said she found a whole bunch more. And
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 1: he says, it's really funny. She's grossly overweight. And that's
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 1: why every one of the vortices she found is about
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 1: five feet from the highway. The three real ones, they're
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 1: out in the sticks, man, or in the desert. But
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 1: the one of Madame Blavatsky, she says.
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 3: It's right there.
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 2: How convenient.
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 1: Right next to my bag of juju beans.
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 2: That's funny. Has anybody tried to find, I know there's
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 2: this one guy who went to the Grand Canyon and
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 2: he got chased out. but he found something really weird there.
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 3: I just found a comment on a video that said
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 3: this guy was actually hit by a drunk driver. and
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 3: he has some of the best videos.
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, hit by a drunk driver and killed?
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 1: Yes, he's dead now. Yeah, I used to watch this
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 1: guy a lot.
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 3: This video has 4 million views in two years.
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 1: A lot of people will use Google Earth and be like, hey,
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 1: check this out. The motherfucker used Google Earth and then
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 1: he'd go there.
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 2: And what did he find that's so baffling? I don't know.
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 3: I have to watch the video.
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 2: You imagine if they whacked this guy because he found something? Uh-huh.
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 2: That's happened before. What did he find? So is he
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 2: in the area where you're not supposed to be? I
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to stumble. I'm going through all sorts of
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 3: places real quick. I also would go if it wouldn't
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 3: be two years later that we just found this. amazing discovery.
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 3: People would have shared this every day.
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 2: On Twitter, you know? Right, but what is it? What's
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 2: the amazing discovery?
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 3: It could be nothing.
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 2: What is this?
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know where he's at.
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 2: He found this? That's a cliff dwelling, obviously. That's in
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 2: the Grand Canyon?
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen this in other pictures, so it's not
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 3: a discovery.
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 2: Right. So we know there were dwellings in the Grand Canyon.
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 2: The real question is that grand claim of something that
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 2: has 50,000 people in it.
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 3: Just type in Grand Canyon hidden cave.
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 2: A thousand hidden caves, although around 335 are officially recorded,
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 2: and most are strictly off-limits to the public. See, that's
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 2: where— Now, why are those off-limits to the public, but
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 2: other cliff-dwelling places allow people to— What's that?
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 3: All sorts of reasons.
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 2: Where they are.
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 3: Like you said, it could be a part of it's
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 3: own native land. Right. Something that's probably very dangerous to
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 3: get to.
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 2: Grand Canyon— And they don't want to come save you. Yeah.
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 1: But it does get kind of weird when you look
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 1: at like.
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 2: So some of them are legal. It says legal visits,
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 2: Grand Canyon Caverns, located off Route 66 near Peach Springs, Arizona,
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 2: the biggest, largest dry caverns in the U.S. and offer
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 2: public tours. Click on that.
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so just because it's not open to the public
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 3: doesn't mean you can't go there. You just have to
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 3: ask for permission probably in some cases and just get
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 3: a tour guide or something.
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think the area we're talking about is closed.
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen the.
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 3: I'm looking for a list of where the spot is
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 3: or something.
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 1: It's at the mouth of the Colorado River. is where
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 1: Kincaid supposedly found his thing. So right at the mouth
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 1: of the Colorado River is where the Grand Canyon is,
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 1: from what I understand, is where you just can't go,
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 1: like on the side of the hill there, on the
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 1: side of the cliff. But I haven't tried going there. Again,
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 1: I'm waiting for the next time until there's a national
• 2:30:01
  Speaker 1: disaster and everybody runs back east. Because, man, living on
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 1: the West Coast, I don't live far from Hanford in
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 1: little ways, but it's real clear. Like when World War
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 1: II happened, they're like, oh, we're going to build this
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 1: fucking crazy bomb that might blow the world up. Let's
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 1: put it all the way on the other side of
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 1: the country from where we live, over where all those
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 1: cowboys and hicks live. And if Washington glows in the dark, well,
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 1: then 50 years later, we got a bunch of blue-haired
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 1: motherfuckers running out of Seattle. So figure that one out
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 1: as you will. But they definitely put all the poison
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 1: over with us. That's how they plan to do it.
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 1: It's the same as in the desert, right? They dump
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 1: all that shit out in the desert. Why do they
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 1: test all the nukes in the desert instead of over
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 1: somewhere near the east? Because they don't want that shit
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 1: blowing in their backyard. All those nice Rhode Island houses
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 1: you're talking about, they don't need radiated. Radiate Seattle.
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 2: Right. Damn.
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Hanford's crazy. If you ever drive through there
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 1: up in Washington, there's all these nuclear storage facilities.
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 2: I wonder if someone has a reason why you can't
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 2: go to that area that they could tell us about.
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 1: That's– unfortunately, from what I've seen, I mean, I'm not
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 1: as– Jamie's pretty damn quick, so I'll get– you know,
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 1: he might find something that I haven't seen quickly. But
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 1: from what I've seen, it's very much like he says,
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 1: she says. This guy said there was stuff there. They
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 1: say there's nothing there. They won't let you go there.
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 1: There was one guy that claims to have tried to
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 1: go there and, like, he supposedly had a video where, like,
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 1: people stopped him before he got there.
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 2: But I watched it.
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 1: It looked kind of, eh, like maybe, eh.
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 1: They say that about Secret Mountain in Sedona. They say
• 2:31:36
  Speaker 1: that if you go walking around on Secret Mountain up
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 1: in Sedona, eventually a park ranger will come up to you.
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 1: He's a lot buffer and better arm than most park
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 1: rangers are going to meet. Joe Rogan security?
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 2: No. Do you think there's maybe some sort of an
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 2: alien base? Somewhere in the United States?
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 1: If there are aliens and they're actively working with governments
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 1: at all, then ours, the Russians and the Chinese would
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 1: be the only ones they'd give a fuck about.
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 2: Let's be honest.
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 1: There's not, the rest of the countries or the rest
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 1: of the world all kind of just follows us. The oils,
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 1: if you're an alien race, the oils, oh, look at
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 1: those cute guys in their coal. But beyond that, yeah,
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 1: I think if, I don't, again, I'm pretty skeptical when
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 1: it comes to alien stuff, but if aliens are visiting
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 1: Earth- then yeah, I would say if they're working with
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 1: humans at all, then yeah, they're probably working with governments.
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 1: And when I say skeptical about the aliens thing, it's
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 1: really one of two things. Either we're so far away
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 1: and technology, like look at where we're at now. We're
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 1: maybe 100 years from actually some sort of interstellar travel.
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 1: And we're also maybe 20 years from completely wiping ourselves out.
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 1: I was thinking a 20-year-old kid with a million dollars
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 1: can buy CRISPR and sit there and make jeans in
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 1: his fucking base.
• 2:32:46
  Speaker 2: Fuck.
• 2:32:46
  Speaker 1: We ain't looking along left on this rock, bro. We
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 1: got fucking AI. Do you hear what they did with
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 1: that fruit fly? They took the fruit fly brain, put
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 1: it in a computer, a physics engine, and it's all
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 1: running around and flying like it's real. They max headroomed
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 1: this fruit fly. They chopped its brain into little pieces. Well,
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 1: now they got it playing. Beat Saber and fucking Doom
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 1: and all this other shit. And you ever read the book?
• 2:33:07
  Speaker 1: I have no mouth, but I must scream at the
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 1: very end. It's like these aliens genetically manipulating people. And
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 1: at the end, there's this person that it's just like
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 1: a blob. And that's what it says. I have no mouth,
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 1: but I feel the urge to scream. Imagine being a
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 1: fruit fly with my balls itch. I press the balls
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 1: itch button.
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 2: It's Beat Saber. It's like, fuck.
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 1: That fruit fly is going to suffer more than any
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 1: other animal in the history of humanity from kids pulling
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 1: the wings off a fly. Oh, just set that brain
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 1: to experience 10,000 years of me ripping its wings off.
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 1: And here we are. We're doing it right now. We're
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 1: doing that shit right now that they're ripping the wings,
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 1: but Beat Saber and shit, that thing suffers. So anyway,
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 1: my point is, as a species, as we look at
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 1: going out into the stars, we're also guttural as fuck.
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 1: A species has to get through a lot of, has
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 1: a lot of hurdles to jump. Right. But if they
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 1: jump those hurdles, there ain't no way we're not going
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 1: to be impressive. We're not going to be attractive because
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 1: the universe is dead, man. So it's dead, dead, dead, dead, dead,
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 1: dead life. Dead, dead, dead, dead, dead life. They're going
• 2:34:04
  Speaker 1: to look at us. So I have basically two sides
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 1: of the coin on that is on the one I'm
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 1: pretty skeptical of them getting it going. But if they
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 1: did getting it going, well, yeah, they'd come around.
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. know that they would be like us.
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 2: Like our idea is like that we're so violent and
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 2: we develop these weapons. We do that. We're so close
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 2: to destroying ourselves. What if that's a factor of accelerated evolution?
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 2: What if that's a factor of you take intellect and
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 2: this lust for technology and to transform its environment and
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 2: you implant that in a territorial primate? Yeah.
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah.
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 2: Like you're dealing with like a weird hybrid of of
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 2: an evolved species, like an evolved species that still maintains
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 2: this tribal, primitive behavior, but also has this incredible lust
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 2: for innovation.
• 2:34:58
  Speaker 1: No, I could see that.
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 2: So we're like too complicated because we're not good.
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't.
• 2:35:03
  Speaker 2: We're shit design.
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we grew out of our, too big one direction,
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 1: I follow. And yeah, that's a good possibility. I mean, it's, ultimately,
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 1: my brain on these things ends up thinking about the,
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 1: probability of all these different things happening. It seems to
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 1: me if, if we were genetically manipulated by aliens, um,
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 1: you know, even not if we weren't genetically manipulated by aliens,
• 2:35:28
  Speaker 1: you know, one of the things you have to do
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 1: to get off of the rock is going to have
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 1: to be a, uh, curious species, right? That's something, otherwise
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 1: they don't give a fuck. They're going to have to
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 1: be social, uh, cause they're going to have to work
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 1: together or they're going to have to be God-like in
• 2:35:40
  Speaker 1: and of themselves. So there's a few things that we
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 1: can assume about them, but yeah. Um, We only have
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 1: one example of intelligence evolving, and if it didn't evolve,
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 1: if it was created like you're saying, then we don't
• 2:35:53
  Speaker 1: really know.
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 2: We have multiple examples. Well, kind of. We have dolphins
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 2: and orcas. Yeah, we have a hard time— And whales.
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 1: Well, we have a hard time— We have a hard
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 1: time– like you were saying earlier, we have a hard
• 2:36:05
  Speaker 1: time understanding them. They might be extremely intelligent in a
• 2:36:09
  Speaker 1: lot of ways, but there's a lot of– they might
• 2:36:11
  Speaker 1: not be the least bit intelligent. A raccoon might be
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 1: way better– probably is way better at manipulating its environment
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 1: than a dolphin.
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 2: Of course. So at that point– Because it's not necessary
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 2: in their world. They move through 3D space. Exactly.
• 2:36:24
  Speaker 1: So their brain might not even have developed certain things
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 1: that we– Yeah.
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 2: So then the question is, did it develop something else? Like,
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 2: is there a form of communication superior?
• 2:36:35
  Speaker 1: That's, see, that's where really like the words, like what is,
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 1: what's the end goal? Is the end goal to have
• 2:36:43
  Speaker 1: a good life or is the end goal to get
• 2:36:45
  Speaker 1: off the rock? I mean, if the end goal is
• 2:36:47
  Speaker 1: to have a good, like a good life, Ari Matheson's
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 1: got it nailed when he, when he talks about the
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 1: people on the, the love on the spectrum, they're way
• 2:36:54
  Speaker 1: happier than all the rest of us are.
• 2:36:57
  Speaker 2: Ari Matty, excuse me.
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 1: But, um, The love on the spectrum, or excuse me,
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 1: is it about happiness or is it about survival? Is
• 2:37:08
  Speaker 1: it about getting off the, what's the end goal?
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 2: Well, is the end goal collective for the human species
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 2: to evolve and advance and move past the state that
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 2: we're at now? Or is your own individual existence and
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 2: your happiness currently? Like what's important? And we don't really
• 2:37:25
  Speaker 2: move collectively as individuals. We think We do things collectively,
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 2: but we think about ourselves. When people are planning for
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 2: their retirement, they're not trying to help out the human race.
• 2:37:36
  Speaker 2: They're trying to provide for themselves. That's correct.
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 1: But on the other side, when I'm working on doing
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 1: research and you do a lot of research, you'll probably
• 2:37:46
  Speaker 1: understand this yourself. We're When GSP invents the Superman punch.
• 2:37:50
  Speaker 1: It's like when you bring something new to the world,
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 1: you kind of feel cool. You know, you kind of
• 2:37:54
  Speaker 1: feel like I've just contributed to the grand total of
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 1: human thinking. And I didn't just add like a dot
• 2:38:01
  Speaker 1: or something. I actually, I contribute. So you could see
• 2:38:05
  Speaker 1: where almost like a subconscious desire to do that. Um,
• 2:38:09
  Speaker 1: so yeah, it is weird. It's like, you know, we do,
• 2:38:11
  Speaker 1: you watch birds fly together and fish moving to school
• 2:38:14
  Speaker 1: and then you watch mobs. It's like, dude, there is
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 1: some sort of unit of mind that's tying us together.
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 1: It doesn't, and I'm not trying to get all metaphysical.
• 2:38:21
  Speaker 1: It's might not be nothing more than, than pheromones and chemicals,
• 2:38:25
  Speaker 1: but something's got us where people act. You can feel
• 2:38:29
  Speaker 1: it at times. You can walk into a room and
• 2:38:31
  Speaker 1: feel the fucking energy and just know, Oh, I shouldn't
• 2:38:34
  Speaker 1: be in this room. These people don't like me. This guy,
• 2:38:36
  Speaker 1: it's not, And it's not necessarily like a metaphysical thing,
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 1: although that's the branch, the stamp that everybody puts on.
• 2:38:43
  Speaker 1: It's one of the unfortunate things is that if something
• 2:38:45
  Speaker 1: becomes like water dowsing, if something starts as a metaphysical thing,
• 2:38:49
  Speaker 1: science is going to knee jerk to the end of
• 2:38:51
  Speaker 1: time to resist it. But ask anybody who drills wells
• 2:38:54
  Speaker 1: about dowsing. If they drill wells for a fucking living,
• 2:38:57
  Speaker 1: they douse, period. Just like a cop knows that full
• 2:39:00
  Speaker 1: moon fever is a thing. The scientist, well, full moon fever, statistically,
• 2:39:04
  Speaker 1: the cop's like, yeah.
• 2:39:05
  Speaker 2: What do you think is going on with dowsing?
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 1: Honestly, I think it's– remember when we used to have
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 1: tube TVs everywhere and you'd walk down the street and
• 2:39:12
  Speaker 1: you'd know your friend was watching TV because you could
• 2:39:14
  Speaker 1: feel the fucking hair on the back of your neck
• 2:39:16
  Speaker 1: stand up or whatever?
• 2:39:17
  Speaker 3: No.
• 2:39:18
  Speaker 1: You don't remember? You never felt the electromagnetic feeling of
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 1: a tube TV? No.
• 2:39:22
  Speaker 2: I didn't walk by my friend's house and know he
• 2:39:24
  Speaker 2: was watching TV.
• 2:39:26
  Speaker 3: No.
• 2:39:26
  Speaker 1: Did you ever– you ever been able to walk into
• 2:39:28
  Speaker 1: a room and know that that tube TV was on?
• 2:39:30
  Speaker 1: You don't remember like.
• 2:39:31
  Speaker 2: The– God, I don't. I don't remember that.
• 2:39:33
  Speaker 1: Well, I know that a lot of the viewers remember it.
• 2:39:35
  Speaker 2: It's a thing.
• 2:39:36
  Speaker 1: I'm sure if Jamie looks.
• 2:39:37
  Speaker 2: It up, it's... You can feel the energy of the TV?
• 2:39:38
  Speaker 1: You can feel the... The old tube TVs, you could
• 2:39:40
  Speaker 1: feel them. And they don't have an exact reason, but
• 2:39:46
  Speaker 1: it's electromagnetics, and maybe there's iron in your blood.
• 2:39:49
  Speaker 2: And so this dowsing, it's like with rods, those twisty rods,
• 2:39:54
  Speaker 2: and they move together when you're getting close to.
• 2:39:57
  Speaker 1: Walking over a water source, yeah, they just... Do you
• 2:39:59
  Speaker 1: think it really works? According to the guys that make
• 2:40:02
  Speaker 1: money off of it, it does. And I wouldn't– I mean.
• 2:40:05
  Speaker 2: Has anybody tried to do a study on why that
• 2:40:07
  Speaker 2: would work?
• 2:40:09
  Speaker 1: That's where– the only things I've seen were pretty skeptical
• 2:40:12
  Speaker 1: and pretty kind of just like it doesn't work. But, again,
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of where the rubber meets the road.
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  Speaker 2: It's like– It seems like that would be easy to prove.
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  Speaker 1: You'd think so.
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  Speaker 2: Like you'd get a dowser. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing is that they– science wants everybody
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  Speaker 1: to be able to do it.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 2:40:29
  Speaker 1: They want to be able to, we're going to get
• 2:40:30
  Speaker 1: 50 people together and have them all go out in
• 2:40:32
  Speaker 1: the field and douse.
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  Speaker 2: You would take someone who's good at it. So CRT
• 2:40:37
  Speaker 2: sets used a high voltage flyback transformer and magnetic deflection
• 2:40:41
  Speaker 2: system to sweep an electron beam across the screen. Those
• 2:40:44
  Speaker 2: parts commonly vibrated around the horizontal scan frequency, roughly 15
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  Speaker 2: to 16 kilohertz in many TV standards, creating a very
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  Speaker 2: high thin tone. Children and young adults tend to hear
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  Speaker 2: high frequencies better. So they were especially likely to walk
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  Speaker 2: into a house or pass a closed door and immediately
• 2:41:02
  Speaker 2: know the TV was running. Oh. Okay. A static charge
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  Speaker 2: of belief, that as well. That's interesting that children and
• 2:41:10
  Speaker 2: younger adults can pick it up. Like, they also, like,
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  Speaker 2: see ghosts.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: This might be what a difference. You're just a few
• 2:41:16
  Speaker 1: years older than me, and so you might not remember
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  Speaker 1: it as well.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe. Maybe people just get duller over time, and they
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  Speaker 2: can't feel it anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Well, these don't use those transformers and all that.
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  Speaker 2: Right, of course these don't.
• 2:41:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, these are a joke by comparison. But my point
• 2:41:32
  Speaker 1: is there's things like this that we can pick up on.
• 2:41:35
  Speaker 1: There's things that we pick up on that we can
• 2:41:39
  Speaker 1: be tested. And honestly, I love psychology, although psychology, just
• 2:41:44
  Speaker 1: like archaeology, is not a science. I don't care. Anything
• 2:41:47
  Speaker 1: that's self-reported is not a fucking science. You think Epstein
• 2:41:50
  Speaker 1: told his shrink what he was up to?
• 2:41:52
  Speaker 2: Fuck no.
• 2:41:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, there you go. But psychology does have some scientific bits.
• 2:41:58
  Speaker 1: And one of the things, though, is ultimately it's the
• 2:42:00
  Speaker 1: lens that all of it comes through. Everything that we
• 2:42:01
  Speaker 1: do comes down through that psychological lens. Like me talking
• 2:42:04
  Speaker 1: earlier about it taking 100 years for them to reconcile
• 2:42:07
  Speaker 1: gradualism and catastrophism. It's all through here. And it's all
• 2:42:11
  Speaker 1: through the zeitgeist of the time. Like right now, racism
• 2:42:14
  Speaker 1: is the big thing and all this social programs. So
• 2:42:16
  Speaker 1: that becomes part of science for whatever fucking reason. I mean,
• 2:42:21
  Speaker 1: I'll still never forget the time I saw the article
• 2:42:23
  Speaker 1: about feminist math. And I just wanted to fucking... What
• 2:42:26
  Speaker 1: was it? Feminist math. You know, it's that. I don't know.
• 2:42:30
  Speaker 1: Maybe six oppresses seven. I don't fucking know. I don't
• 2:42:33
  Speaker 1: really know. I guess seven's more pointy and six has
• 2:42:36
  Speaker 1: a whole. So probably the other way. And at any rate,
• 2:42:39
  Speaker 1: it's I just laughed. It's there's we don't have room
• 2:42:44
  Speaker 1: for that shit. So it's the whole point of science.
• 2:42:45
  Speaker 1: I say this a bunch. The whole point of science
• 2:42:47
  Speaker 1: is to like. The whole point of the scientific method
• 2:42:50
  Speaker 1: is to strip individual biases away. This is why replicability
• 2:42:54
  Speaker 1: is so fucking important. Because if I do it and
• 2:42:56
  Speaker 1: you do it and you don't get the same result
• 2:42:58
  Speaker 1: as me, there's a problem.
• 2:43:01
  Speaker 2: It's weird when it gets into racial differences and they
• 2:43:04
  Speaker 2: just ignore it completely. And they call the data racist.
• 2:43:08
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 2:43:08
  Speaker 1: That's exactly what. And then the guys that are like
• 2:43:12
  Speaker 1: openly racist, they love that data.
• 2:43:14
  Speaker 2: Well, the weird thing about the data being racist is
• 2:43:16
  Speaker 2: it's not white supremacist at all because Asians are doing
• 2:43:19
  Speaker 2: way better. Yeah, exactly.
• 2:43:21
  Speaker 1: But you don't want to talk about that.
• 2:43:25
  Speaker 2: The problem is the people that aren't doing as well.
• 2:43:27
  Speaker 1: The problem is that they're, in my opinion, is they're
• 2:43:29
  Speaker 1: trying to take Marxism and turn it into anything besides
• 2:43:32
  Speaker 1: a monetary bullshit idea. You're trying to do it on
• 2:43:35
  Speaker 1: a social level? Social Marxism? Oh, come on, dude. This
• 2:43:39
  Speaker 1: is how you get the oppression Olympics. You know, I've
• 2:43:41
  Speaker 1: got it worse. You know how much money I had
• 2:43:43
  Speaker 1: to spend to get custody of my kid? And I
• 2:43:45
  Speaker 1: had no social programs for me.
• 2:43:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, what was.
• 2:43:49
  Speaker 1: And you go on to that shit forever. It's so stupid.
• 2:43:54
  Speaker 1: You know, 95% of the people that are shot in
• 2:43:56
  Speaker 1: this country by the cops are men. Do we need
• 2:43:59
  Speaker 1: a Men's Lives Matter movement? Or is that a little
• 2:44:01
  Speaker 1: fucked up?
• 2:44:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, but that's... Well, it's also men are the ones
• 2:44:05
  Speaker 2: who create most of the violence. They're the ones that
• 2:44:07
  Speaker 2: need to get shot.
• 2:44:08
  Speaker 1: Well, my thinking is like this. When a cop shoots
• 2:44:14
  Speaker 1: a person, he shoots a guy, he feels more threatened
• 2:44:17
  Speaker 1: than he does by a woman. And when he shoots
• 2:44:18
  Speaker 1: a black guy, he feels more threatened than he does
• 2:44:20
  Speaker 1: by a white guy. Now, whether that's racism or personal
• 2:44:23
  Speaker 1: experience or town-by-town difference, whatever, at the end of the day,
• 2:44:27
  Speaker 1: just saying this is pure racism is like, okay, well,
• 2:44:30
  Speaker 1: then this is pure sexism, right? Oh, no, it's not
• 2:44:32
  Speaker 1: pure sexism when they're shooting guys, but it's when they're black.
• 2:44:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, in all honesty, Donald Trump has a higher
• 2:44:39
  Speaker 1: chance of being shot by the cops wrongly than Kamala Harris.
• 2:44:42
  Speaker 1: That's statistically like way more likely, like 20 times more likely.
• 2:44:46
  Speaker 2: In terms of men getting shot more than women, period.
• 2:44:48
  Speaker 1: White guys are 20 times more likely to get shot
• 2:44:51
  Speaker 1: by the cops wrongly than a black woman.
• 2:44:52
  Speaker 2: Right, and this is not– that's not denying racism or
• 2:44:55
  Speaker 2: denying sexism.
• 2:44:56
  Speaker 1: Fuck no.
• 2:44:57
  Speaker 2: You're dealing with statistics.
• 2:44:58
  Speaker 1: What I'm trying to do is take the– I only
• 2:45:00
  Speaker 1: bring these up because so many people bring up these
• 2:45:02
  Speaker 1: statistics to say this is a problem and this is
• 2:45:05
  Speaker 1: a problem and this is a problem. And that's why
• 2:45:07
  Speaker 1: when you bring up this one, it's just overwhelmingly– it's
• 2:45:09
  Speaker 1: like all of a sudden we look at things differently now.
• 2:45:11
  Speaker 2: It's the social Marxism thing. It's like– and it's also
• 2:45:14
  Speaker 2: there's like a currency in being oppressed. There's a currency
• 2:45:17
  Speaker 2: in recognizing oppression. There's a currency in signaling virtue that
• 2:45:22
  Speaker 2: you recognize oppression that other people don't. You know– admitting
• 2:45:27
  Speaker 2: your whatever whatever biases on the floor whatever you.
• 2:45:32
  Speaker 1: Know I'm so sorry whatever.
• 2:45:35
  Speaker 2: Privilege you may have yeah land acknowledgements all that crazy
• 2:45:39
  Speaker 2: stuff it's like you know we're trying to be good
• 2:45:43
  Speaker 2: people but we're doing it in a way that points
• 2:45:46
  Speaker 2: at everybody else like they're bad that's exactly and that's
• 2:45:48
  Speaker 2: where it gets real squirrely because people are using the
• 2:45:52
  Speaker 2: premise of being a good person to be really shitty
• 2:45:54
  Speaker 2: to people that don't deserve it well I Yeah.
• 2:45:59
  Speaker 1: You know, and they don't do anything on their own.
• 2:46:02
  Speaker 1: Like they're going to tell me that I should be
• 2:46:04
  Speaker 1: doing X, Y or Z. But like Kansas University recently,
• 2:46:07
  Speaker 1: like put out this big thing about how they feel
• 2:46:09
  Speaker 1: so bad for living on indigenous land and.
• 2:46:12
  Speaker 2: You're going to give it back? Thank you.
• 2:46:14
  Speaker 1: No, they ain't giving it back.
• 2:46:16
  Speaker 2: You know what?
• 2:46:16
  Speaker 1: They ain't even repatriated all the bones that they've got
• 2:46:19
  Speaker 1: that they're supposed to have repatriated in 1990.
• 2:46:22
  Speaker 2: I've only been to one place where I saw an
• 2:46:24
  Speaker 2: actual land disclosure, and it was at the South by
• 2:46:26
  Speaker 2: Southwest premiere of The Age of Disclosure. And I thought
• 2:46:29
  Speaker 2: this was so hilarious. There is a documentary about us
• 2:46:33
  Speaker 2: being invaded by aliens. And before they play the documentary,
• 2:46:38
  Speaker 2: they have to acknowledge that someone invaded this land. And
• 2:46:42
  Speaker 2: took it from the natives. And this is the ancestral
• 2:46:46
  Speaker 2: tribal land of the whatever tribes they said. We must
• 2:46:51
  Speaker 2: acknowledge this first. Like, play the movie. This isn't a
• 2:46:55
  Speaker 2: history lesson. This isn't a struggle session. Play the fucking movie.
• 2:46:58
  Speaker 2: It's literally about us getting invaded by aliens. Yeah.
• 2:47:02
  Speaker 1: And this is supposed to make it like.
• 2:47:03
  Speaker 2: Better. Better. You're a good person because you acknowledge this. Aww.
• 2:47:07
  Speaker 3: Aww.
• 2:47:08
  Speaker 2: All right. I got to wrap this up. Your thing
• 2:47:12
  Speaker 2: is give out the dates. Tell everybody.
• 2:47:14
  Speaker 1: It's October 16th through 18th at the Quest for Ancient
• 2:47:17
  Speaker 1: Civilizations conference at the ACL Live. It's right here.
• 2:47:20
  Speaker 2: In Austin. It should be a banger of a time.
• 2:47:22
  Speaker 1: It's going to be amazing.
• 2:47:23
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it's going to be awesome. All those people there,
• 2:47:25
  Speaker 2: Randall Carlson, Billy Carson, who else? Yeah, a whole bunch.
• 2:47:29
  Speaker 1: Kurt Metzger.
• 2:47:30
  Speaker 2: Kurt Metzger and Duncan Trussell together. That's Duncan Trussell on
• 2:47:33
  Speaker 2: test and doing deadlifts for 10 years. David Childress. Great,
• 2:47:39
  Speaker 2: great cast of people. Awesome times.
• 2:47:41
  Speaker 1: David Childress is a really good dude, man.
• 2:47:42
  Speaker 2: What did they do to you, man? They made you
• 2:47:44
  Speaker 2: look great, too.
• 2:47:44
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's AI.
• 2:47:47
  Speaker 2: You look like Alan Watts.
• 2:47:48
  Speaker 1: I look like somebody else entirely. I'm almost Amish.
• 2:47:52
  Speaker 2: You look very odd. Either way. Thanks.
• 2:47:54
  Speaker 1: You sound just like the chicks at the bar last night.
• 2:47:56
  Speaker 2: It's a problem with the fucking AI. You don't have
• 2:47:58
  Speaker 2: to do that or do it, do it and do
• 2:48:00
  Speaker 2: it right.
• 2:48:02
  Speaker 1: I say it to everybody. I actually had a production
• 2:48:05
  Speaker 1: team or I wanted to like get me to sign
• 2:48:07
  Speaker 1: up to do, you know, for them to help produce
• 2:48:10
  Speaker 1: for me and stuff and. When I told them that
• 2:48:12
  Speaker 1: I was not going to have any AI videos, no
• 2:48:14
  Speaker 1: AI clipping, no AI thumbnails, and certainly no AI communicating
• 2:48:17
  Speaker 1: with my followers, they're like, we'll have to get back
• 2:48:18
  Speaker 1: to you on the price. I'm like, yeah, I just
• 2:48:20
  Speaker 1: took your tool belt, didn't I?
• 2:48:22
  Speaker 2: They wanted it to be easy.
• 2:48:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I could buy a good AI too.
• 2:48:25
  Speaker 2: Anyway, thank you, Joe. Thank you, Dan. Always good to
• 2:48:27
  Speaker 2: see you, brother. You too, man. Thanks, Jamie.
• 2:48:28
  Speaker 3: Bye, everybody.