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DEAD ON VACATION: CARIBBEAN DREAM VACATION TURNS NIGHTMARE MURDER · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A beautiful young girl goes
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Speaker 1: on a dream getaway with a friend, but she never
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Speaker 1: comes back to this day her case unsolved. Crime Stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Robin Gardner needed a getaway. She had
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Speaker 1: recently lost her job as a dental assistant and was
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Speaker 1: having relationship issues with her boyfriend of two and a
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Speaker 1: half years, Richard Fordster. An invitation to vacation in a
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Speaker 1: Ruba seemed just the thing. Gardner had met Gary Giordano
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Speaker 1: onmatch dot Com the year before. Friends say the two
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Speaker 1: weren't super close and had a patime relationship. In fact,
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Speaker 1: Gardner and Giordano had an on again, off again relationship.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes they would be friendly for a while and then
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Speaker 1: not talk for a few months. Then came the invitation.
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Speaker 1: The pair arrived in Aruba July thirty first, you know,
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Speaker 1: and on again, off again email relationship is what it
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Speaker 1: sounds like, So she must have been really surprised. When
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Speaker 1: she had been emailing about wanting to get away having
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Speaker 1: problems with her boyfriend, she suddenly decides to go to
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Speaker 1: Aruba with this email friend again. Thanks for being with
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Speaker 1: us here at Fox Nations series Sex sim Now I
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Speaker 1: Want to introduce to you an all star panel. First
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Speaker 1: of all, Jim Elliott, veteran trial lawyer at Butlersnow dot com.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Jory Crawsen, police psychologist, Faculties Saint Leo University and
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Speaker 1: research consultant. Karen Smith, forensics expert, lecturer, University Florida and
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Speaker 1: host off Shattered Souls, a podcast. You can find her
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Speaker 1: at Bear Bones Forensics dot com. But first to Alexis
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Speaker 1: Teresia Crime online dot com Investigati reporter Alexis also with
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Speaker 1: Lead Stories, Alexis, I don't know if you realize it,
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Speaker 1: but also joining us today is Robin Gardner's sister, Danielle unclesby,
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Speaker 1: and she knows a thing or two about trips to
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Speaker 1: Aruba because she's with my Memories travel dot com. Hold
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Speaker 1: on just a moment, Alexis. Danielle, when you heard your
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Speaker 1: sister was traveling to Aruba with her email friend, what'd
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Speaker 1: you tell her? I didn't know. She didn't even tell me.
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Speaker 1: It was a total surprise to me. I didn't find
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Speaker 1: out until August the fourth, when she when I got
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Speaker 1: a call that you had disappeared. What was your first
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Speaker 1: thought when you realized she had disappeared in Aruba. I
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Speaker 1: was told that she was lost at sea, and I
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Speaker 1: just found that very surprising because I know that she
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Speaker 1: really doesn't swim or get into the water. Now, why
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Speaker 1: is it she doesn't swim or get into the water.
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Speaker 1: It's because she has extensions and makeup and got all
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Speaker 1: the hold up and she just didn't want to ruin that. Well,
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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you something. My daughter, who is an
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Speaker 1: excellent swimmer. I mean she's been has her Advanced Scout
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Speaker 1: Merit badge in swimming and that includes saving people, jumping
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Speaker 1: in the water and saving them, throwing them rasse, holding
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Speaker 1: a pole to them, the works. She had to swim.
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Speaker 1: I forgot how far a mile or whatever to get
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Speaker 1: the Merit badge. But she's not the one to just
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Speaker 1: jump into the water like my son. Some people are
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Speaker 1: just not predisposed to love the water. Now what you
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Speaker 1: said about your sister, she was a real glamour girl.
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Speaker 1: I mean the hair perfect, the makeup perfect. She's not
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Speaker 1: like me, put up my hair in a button and
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Speaker 1: out the door. I am. This woman is one of
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Speaker 1: those women that you think, does she always look like that?
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Speaker 1: And the answer would be yes. I'm looking at a
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Speaker 1: picture of her right now. She looks like a cover
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Speaker 1: girl with the big sunglasses and the hair and the
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Speaker 1: perfect outfit. That's just her. Is that what you're telling me? Yes,
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Speaker 1: I would call her red carpet robin, big personality, beautiful hair,
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Speaker 1: beautiful makeup, always wants the limelight and always wants to
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Speaker 1: live life to the fullest. You know what. I can
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Speaker 1: see that about her right now, because if somebody told
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Speaker 1: me that my daughter Lucy had gone out an isolated,
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Speaker 1: remote area of an island to snorkel alone and got
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Speaker 1: lost at sea, I mean number one, no, she's not
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Speaker 1: going to put a snorkel thing over her face unless
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Speaker 1: I'm with her. She's snorkel many many times. She swims
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Speaker 1: with the manatee, she does the whole thing. But that's
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Speaker 1: just not her cup of tea. Tell me that about
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Speaker 1: my son, I'd say, yes, that's totally him. But you
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Speaker 1: know it's interesting to doctor Jerry Crossen. Very often this
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Speaker 1: kind of evidence is discounted in court because it's not
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Speaker 1: hard evidence. It's called evidence behavioral evidence, evidence of behavior
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Speaker 1: of routine. This was not her routine. Robin Gardenwin mus
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Speaker 1: not have gone off to a remote area of a room,
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Speaker 1: but and god, storkling. It's just not her. Yeah, it's
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Speaker 1: so out of character. In fact, from the other readings
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Speaker 1: that I've seen on a report that she almost have
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Speaker 1: let's see, of fear. But there was anxiety about swimming.
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Speaker 1: I mean not only for the say, her appearance and everything,
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Speaker 1: but just you know, anxiety about going swimming and especially snorkeling.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know a form of cluster phobia. Is
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Speaker 1: I'm a diver, I know, so that will bring cluster
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Speaker 1: phobia out. Oh my good, I'm a diver as well,
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Speaker 1: doctor Jorian. One of the hardest things I ever did
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Speaker 1: was a tunnel dive, an underwater, deep, deep down tunnel dive.
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Speaker 1: In fact, I've stopped div Yeah, I stopped when I
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Speaker 1: had the twins. But there's just some things you're predisposed to, Okay,
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Speaker 1: Alexi's trust, Chuck. I'm sorry I got off on a tangent,
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Speaker 1: but I wanted to find out what Danielle Unclesby thought
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Speaker 1: when she either learned her sister was going to a
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Speaker 1: Ruba or learned she was missing Alexa's You start at
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Speaker 1: the beginning. She must have been very adventurous because she
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Speaker 1: has this email relationship. I guess a long time email
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Speaker 1: relationship with this person, and she's saying, I need to
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Speaker 1: get away. I need to get out of here. I
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Speaker 1: just lost my job as a dental Hygienis this is
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Speaker 1: a perfect time, and he says, great, let's go as friends.
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Speaker 1: Is that how it all happened? That's exactly right. If
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Speaker 1: you go, this is what you would call a trick date.
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Speaker 1: Back when I was girl, I would go, I mean
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Speaker 1: to go on means with your friends, guys who might
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Speaker 1: be sort of interested in And it's funding somewhere at
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Speaker 1: dotic and beautiful and y'all have a free time together.
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Speaker 1: So she goes on the stage kind of spur of
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Speaker 1: the moment, she says, let's go down to a rubus.
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Speaker 1: She says, amazing, beautiful, and they had down there. They
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Speaker 1: have a couple of days on vacations, nothing suspect, they're
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Speaker 1: having a good time, and then all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: sheet is reported smissing. So how did everything suddenly turn
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Speaker 1: on its ear? Take a listen to our friend Josh
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Speaker 1: Maniquitz At Dateline NBC, Gary Giordano gave investigators his version
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Speaker 1: of what happened on the day Robin disappeared. He said
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Speaker 1: they drove from their hotel to an area called Baby Beach,
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Speaker 1: where they stopped at this beachside restaurant. It's a story
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Speaker 1: backed up by security video. Here are Gary and Robin
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Speaker 1: arriving around three and then leaving about an hour later.
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Speaker 1: Gary then took investigations to an isolated spot nearby called
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Speaker 1: Nankey Beach, where Gary said he and Robin went snorkeling. Robin,
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Speaker 1: he said, cut her foot on a sharp rock just
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Speaker 1: before they went in. Police say Giardano told them the
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Speaker 1: water was rough and at some point he felt he
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Speaker 1: was being pulled out to sea. He swam back, thinking
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Speaker 1: Robin was right behind him, but when he got close
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Speaker 1: to shore, he turned and she was gone. By now
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Speaker 1: it was after six pm. Security video at the restaurant,
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Speaker 1: now closed for the day, shows Gary returning, apparently to
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Speaker 1: look for help. Police put boats and divers in the water.
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Speaker 1: There was no trace of Robin. China take him when
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Speaker 1: I'm just hearing straight back to Robin Gardner's sister, Danielle
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Speaker 1: unglesby joining us. Danielle, I believe we're at the ten
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Speaker 1: year mark from when Robin went missing. Yes, this is
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Speaker 1: ten years. How do you feel? Be honest with me
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Speaker 1: when you see all of the media attention of another
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Speaker 1: young girl who goes missing from Aruba, Natalie Holloway, but
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Speaker 1: really nothing on Robin Gardner. I remember covering it very
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Speaker 1: much often when she first went missing, and believe me,
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Speaker 1: I want all the focus on missing people. I don't
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Speaker 1: deny one victim any media coverage to help solve their case.
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Speaker 1: But I often wonder how other victims' families feel when
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Speaker 1: their cases don't get any attention. Yeah, I feel quite slighted,
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Speaker 1: and I wish it was more in the media back then,
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Speaker 1: and as we've been going on, just you know, just
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Speaker 1: in case there are any clues, or in case anybody
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Speaker 1: wants to come forward and does remember something. Time stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. I'm listening to the story, the version
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Speaker 1: that the friend I guess i'll call him Gary Giordana
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Speaker 1: gave that the water was rough and the first thing
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Speaker 1: that happened is your sister cut her foot on a
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Speaker 1: sharp rock, So I guess she was on the rocks barefoot.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I can see being on the sand barefoot,
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Speaker 1: but not on rocks barefoot. And even after slicing her
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Speaker 1: foot pretty badly, according to Giordano, she still goes to
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Speaker 1: snorkel in rough water. How does that hit you? Doesn't
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Speaker 1: make any sense, doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Why because,
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Speaker 1: like you said, a rock, I mean, why would you
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Speaker 1: be walking on rocks? You would be if you were
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Speaker 1: in barefoot, you would be walking on sand. And then
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Speaker 1: why would you know? Like again, why would she go
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Speaker 1: in the water. She wouldn't go in the water. To
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Speaker 1: begin with, let's analyze what we're hearing straight, Yeah to you,
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Speaker 1: Karen Smith for expert. You hear Geordana's version of what happened.
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Speaker 1: There's security video involved. What do you make of it? Well,
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Speaker 1: the security video is going to be crucial to find
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Speaker 1: out timelines first of all. Second of all, behaviors and
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Speaker 1: body language, things like that, where they were headed, directionality,
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Speaker 1: things like that, you know, cutting your foot on a
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Speaker 1: rock and leaving blood behind. I mean, I don't know
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Speaker 1: if that's the truth or if it was a ruse.
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Speaker 1: I have no idea. But going into rough water and snorkeling,
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Speaker 1: the first question that I had was where was the
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Speaker 1: snorkeling equipment? Did they bring it with them? Did they
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Speaker 1: go to the car and get it? Is their surveillance
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Speaker 1: footage of that? Where did it come from? Okay. As
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Speaker 1: a matter of fact, take a listen to Matt Gutman
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Speaker 1: at ABC. He says, Robin and Giordano eight but didn't
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Speaker 1: drink here for about an hour the afternoon she vanished.
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Speaker 1: They went into the dive shop but didn't rent any gear.
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Speaker 1: So the dive shop owner told us that he saw
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Speaker 1: them out here on this dirt road that's in a
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Speaker 1: remote part of the beach. Now, he was surprised to
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Speaker 1: see anybody snorkeling out here because it's so rarely frequented
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Speaker 1: by anybody in a mask of fins gear. Donald claims
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Speaker 1: they came down to this beach to snorkel. We were
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Speaker 1: told it was an unusually calm day water flat, but
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Speaker 1: beyond crashing waves and treacherous currents, and it's here that
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Speaker 1: the trail goes cold. Rubert authorities were criticized for being
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Speaker 1: caught flat footed by the Natalie Holloway disappearance in two
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Speaker 1: thousand and five, so they've been tight lipped about this case,
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Speaker 1: flat footed more than once. You know, it's very interesting
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Speaker 1: to me, Alexis Teresha Crime online dot Com investigative reporter,
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Speaker 1: that I'm not hearing about renting any snorkeling gear. No,
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Speaker 1: there isn't. Annie, And in fact, an eyewitness said that
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Speaker 1: when they win, Gary came and said he was so
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Speaker 1: worried that Robin was swept out to see that he
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Speaker 1: wasn't even wet. His shorts weren't wet. His shoes were,
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Speaker 1: but his shorts weren't. Jim Elliott, I'm veteran, try a
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Speaker 1: lawyer at Butler Snow dot com. Jim, that would be
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Speaker 1: the first thing I would look at is did they
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Speaker 1: bring their own snorkeling gear? I mean, to your knowledge, Danielle,
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Speaker 1: uncle Speed, did your sister have her own snorkel gear?
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Speaker 1: Absolutely not? I mean, Jim, I do. Everybody in my
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Speaker 1: family does have snorkel gear because we swam with amanite
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Speaker 1: so many times. But Jim, that'd be the first thing
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Speaker 1: I would look at was did they ever rent snorkel gear?
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Speaker 1: You're hearing from her sister, Robin Gardner didn't have snorkel gear.
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Speaker 1: She didn't even want to get in the water. They're
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Speaker 1: a huge hole in his story, certainly, which would end
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Speaker 1: our country. Certainly should raise the eye of the suspicion
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Speaker 1: of those Okay, a hole in his story, but yet
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Speaker 1: a hole that can be shored up if he brought
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Speaker 1: the snorkel gear with him. But I also find it interesting,
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Speaker 1: and again, Geordano has not been found guilty, has not
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Speaker 1: been declared guilty in this case. Please keep that in
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Speaker 1: mind as a matter of fact. Let's listen to more.
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Speaker 1: This is more from our friends at Dateline NBC. Questions
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Speaker 1: quickly arose. Was this an accidental drowning or was it
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Speaker 1: something else? Baby knacko snarkling. You know this is not Robin.
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Speaker 1: Her roommate and hairdresser, Christina Jones, doubted that Robin, who
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Speaker 1: spent so much money on hair color and extensions, would
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Speaker 1: ever go snorkeling. There's no way that she would get
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Speaker 1: into the ocean, you know, after spending a couple ground
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Speaker 1: on her hair. Quickly, a Reuben police found inconsistencies in
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Speaker 1: the story Gary Giordana was telling them Immediate Solicitor General
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Speaker 1: Taco Stein. Mister Giardano says that he was snorkeling with
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Speaker 1: miss Gardner and that the water was rough. That's what
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Speaker 1: he told us in thee But it was a very
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Speaker 1: calm date. There was no current, no waves, nothing like that.
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Speaker 1: So okay, I'm getting conflicting reports. Was it calm or
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Speaker 1: was it rough? Alexis terres Chuck. The local reports and
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Speaker 1: everybody that was there said it was calm, stepped out
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Speaker 1: beyond the rocks that might have been choppy, but that's
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Speaker 1: because Wade would hit a rock, but the general water
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Speaker 1: was very calm. Okay, you know, I'm curious about this
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Speaker 1: snorkel gear. I'm very curious. Indeed, was anything of Robin
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Speaker 1: Gardner's ever recovered her flip flops or snorkel gear anything
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Speaker 1: at all? It was not. Okay, what are we learning
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Speaker 1: about surveillance video? Guys, Throughout the hotel where they were staying,
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Speaker 1: there was surveillance video, and I want to circle back
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Speaker 1: also to how the two met to start with. But
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Speaker 1: regarding surveillance video, to you, alexis terres Chuck, what do
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Speaker 1: we know about closed circuit TV video? So they were
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Speaker 1: staying at a Marriott resort in a Rivet, and there
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Speaker 1: was closer TV video in the hotel that actually showed
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Speaker 1: them on the last day that Robin was seen alive,
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Speaker 1: shows them arguing. They're kind of cuddling with each other
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Speaker 1: and then at one point Gary puts his hand on
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Speaker 1: the back of her neck and shoved her in the elevator,
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Speaker 1: telling me that was on August fourth, the day that
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Speaker 1: the last day she's ever seen alive. Yes, I understand
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Speaker 1: that the surveillance hotel shows them having quite an argument.
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Speaker 1: Reports that Giordano actually could be heard threatening her. He
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Speaker 1: denies this can't that's what they say, and go ahead
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Speaker 1: of fighting, and she says, I don't want to be
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Speaker 1: with you anymore, and he actually says to her I
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Speaker 1: will that, according to reports, but what started the whole thing,
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Speaker 1: My understanding is that, let me throw this to you,
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Speaker 1: doctor Jerry crawls In, police psychologist and professor at Saint
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Speaker 1: Leo University, that not a suspect. Gary Giordano read a
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Speaker 1: text that she Robin Gardner sent her boyfriend back home,
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Speaker 1: and whatever was in that text reportedly sparked a big
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Speaker 1: argument between the two of them. What do you make
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Speaker 1: of that, doctor Jorry. You know, I look at his
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Speaker 1: behavior from a predatorial nature, even from the initial engagement
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Speaker 1: with her through the dating service or through the Facebook,
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Speaker 1: and all that behavior remains consistent up to the very end.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'd also like know exactly when he purchased
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Speaker 1: that life insurance policy. You know, doctor Jerry Krausen, You're
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Speaker 1: so right. Take a listen to our friends at Dateline NBC.
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Speaker 1: But that was not the only suspicious thing Gary Giordano did.
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Speaker 1: Police discovered Gary had taken out an insurance policy on
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Speaker 1: Robin Gardner, a policy that would pay one and a
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Speaker 1: half million dollars in the event of her accidental death,
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Speaker 1: and the policy's beneficiary Gary Giordano himself. And just two
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Speaker 1: days after Robin went missing and before or he tried
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Speaker 1: to leave Aruba, Gary inquired about how to claim the
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Speaker 1: insurance pay out. Is it normal to ensure somebody's life
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Speaker 1: and makes yourself yourself the beneficiary or do you make
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Speaker 1: the relatives to beneficiary? And so police arrested Gary Giordano
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Speaker 1: at the airport just as he was about to fly
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Speaker 1: home to Maryland. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we
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Speaker 1: were talking about the disappearance of a gorgeous American woman,
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Speaker 1: Robin Gardner, who allegedly went storkling and was never seen again.
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Speaker 1: This although her sister tells us there's no way that
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Speaker 1: she would have gone storkling, she never would have gone
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Speaker 1: in the water, no way that that didn't happen. But
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Speaker 1: to her friend, Gary Giordano. That is what happened. He survived,
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Speaker 1: but she didn't straight back out to Alexis arrest check.
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Speaker 1: I know you just heard evidence from police that Giordano
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Speaker 1: had actually bought life insurance for Robin Gardner with him
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Speaker 1: as the beneficiary. What was his explanation for that? They
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Speaker 1: hardly knew each other. He said that he did this
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Speaker 1: with everyone, but he traveled with because he claimed it
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Speaker 1: would be you know, if the trip's got canceled or
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Speaker 1: you know, if something happened maybe there with some sort
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Speaker 1: of you know, an attack or something like a huge tsunami,
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Speaker 1: you know, a natural disaster that it was just covering
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Speaker 1: all the faces. But the thing is, it was all
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Speaker 1: written in his handwriting. But wouldn't that be travel insurance.
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Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be travel insurance? That would be that would
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Speaker 1: life insurance? Truth about it, okay, is that doctor Jory Yes,
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Speaker 1: jump in Dodger. The accidental again is very crucial to
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Speaker 1: me and far as his behavior goes, because the death
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Speaker 1: in order to collect has to be accidental. So if
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Speaker 1: he were again going to have an accidental drowning is
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Speaker 1: one thing. But there's something had to go wrong there,
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Speaker 1: because you know, there's no body really in order to collect.
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Speaker 1: If she just drowned, or if he drowned her or
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Speaker 1: something like that and had a body and could show
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Speaker 1: that drowning was the cause, then he would cash in.
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Speaker 1: But again it appears something went wrong and the body
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Speaker 1: wouldn't show as evidence of an accidental drowning. There may
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Speaker 1: have been a struggle, there may have been other injuries
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Speaker 1: to her body. We don't have any evidence of injury
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Speaker 1: to her body because her body was never found. But
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Speaker 1: to you, Jim Elliott, you're the veteran civil lawyer are
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Speaker 1: joining us from Butler snow dot com. Jim, can you
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Speaker 1: just take out a life insurance policy on somebody you're
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Speaker 1: not related to in any way? I guess technically you can.
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Speaker 1: I mean most companies do acquire the insured to consented
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Speaker 1: to that. I mean that's instin I guess probably there's
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Speaker 1: a package of travel when as insurance from the company.
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Speaker 1: But atract me, you're being very unusual. Yeah, so that's
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Speaker 1: going to be his claim. Jim Elliott, you're right, is
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Speaker 1: that this is some type of travel insurance. I know
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Speaker 1: whenever we've gone on Disney cruises with the children, I
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Speaker 1: think there is travel insurance and we take out travel
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Speaker 1: insurance in case the cruise gets canceled or to cover them.
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Speaker 1: What were you saying, or a hurricane or you know whatever. Yes,
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Speaker 1: and I would never think about it being the death
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Speaker 1: of my husband or myself or anybody in our family.
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Speaker 1: But that is his response to the fact that he
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Speaker 1: took out this insurance. Well, all right, take a listen
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Speaker 1: to more from our friends at NBC. When Gary here
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Speaker 1: Donald book the getaway to this tropical island, Aruban officials
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Speaker 1: say he also got travel insurance, one policy for himself
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Speaker 1: one for Robin Gardner. It covered the usual likely losses
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Speaker 1: airplane tickets and hotels, but it also provided a payout
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Speaker 1: in case of accidental death while on vacation. Aruba has
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Speaker 1: the policy. It was turned over by the US following
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Speaker 1: a search of Giordano's home last week. The Maryland man
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Speaker 1: volunteered the insurance information during questioning and after the search
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Speaker 1: along the beach where he reported Robin went missing. Giordano's
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Speaker 1: digital camera, cell phone, and computer from his hotel room
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Speaker 1: have been sent to nearby Curosoll for analysis, and sources
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Speaker 1: working the investigation tell NBC Aruba reporter Yenta Lou there
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Speaker 1: is new, potentially significant evidence. The possible evidence is a
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Speaker 1: rock with a full handprint and blood on it. Speaking
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Speaker 1: of blood, isn't sherwal Lex's terrests shut. Witnesses claim that
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Speaker 1: Giordano was sweating profusely the day Robbie goes missing, with
22:57
Speaker 1: blood on a scratch on his throat. Yes, and that's
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Speaker 1: the things they said. They saw him. He was sweating profusely.
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Speaker 1: They didn't they said that he did. They did not
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Speaker 1: think he was wet, so he didn't look like he'd
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Speaker 1: been snorkeling, because that was one of his stories. He
23:14
Speaker 1: was snorkeling in the water with her and it was
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Speaker 1: getting Roughney tried to grab her leg to pull her
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Speaker 1: back in, but she couldn't pull in. Some he swam in.
23:20
Speaker 1: But the witnesses say no, No, he was sweating and
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Speaker 1: he had scratches on his neck and a lot of blood.
23:27
Speaker 1: Not like a tiny little respect but they saw a
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Speaker 1: lot of blood on his neck as if he had
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Speaker 1: been attacked. To Danielle unclesby, this is Robin's sister. Did
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Speaker 1: you ever spake? Did Giordanna when he got back? Um?
23:38
Speaker 1: Not when he not immediately? Um? My mom went down
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Speaker 1: to a Ruba and she spoke with him at the
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Speaker 1: police station when she arrived and what happened um um
23:53
Speaker 1: at that point, I guess he was kind of getting
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Speaker 1: aunty to the um or know, you know, leave town
24:03
Speaker 1: and it was just highly suspect. Guys were talking about
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Speaker 1: the disappearance Rob and Gardner who disappears in a Ruba
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Speaker 1: on a vacation turned deadly. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friend doctor Phil Our cut thirteen. Once you're in there,
24:19
Speaker 1: you're on ground. If you're safe, you turn around, she's
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Speaker 1: gone gone. Why not get your fins, your mask, go
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Speaker 1: get her. You are the most immediate trained help there.
24:32
Speaker 1: You are a certified scuba diver with gear in your car,
24:36
Speaker 1: fins and mask. Why didn't you go back into water?
24:38
Speaker 1: And the same reason why I called the coastguard and
24:40
Speaker 1: none of them got in the water. I stayed here,
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Speaker 1: told dark and that one single person got in that water.
24:45
Speaker 1: You knew that. Hours later, I ask, just at the
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Speaker 1: most dangerous I'll tell you why, because I just came out.
24:50
Speaker 1: I fought for my life to get back. I'm exhausted,
24:53
Speaker 1: I'm completely exhausted. My heart is pounding out of my chest.
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Speaker 1: Exhausted and it's not going to do her or me
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Speaker 1: any good to jump back in that water, right, so
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Speaker 1: it's time to go get help. That's what I did.
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Speaker 1: It's a choice. Did you choice? Did you scream for help?
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Speaker 1: At the time, there was nobody screamed too, So I
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Speaker 1: ran to the restaurant to get help. But it didn't
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Speaker 1: occur to you to put your fans back on, get
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Speaker 1: your mask and snorkel, and you're you're tired, your heart
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Speaker 1: is pounding, you're exhausted. That didn't occur to you to
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Speaker 1: go back in with profit three times about this thing
25:27
Speaker 1: that answered is best taken answer. I can answer a
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Speaker 1: third time, but it's the same answer. That's a choice
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Speaker 1: I made based on my physical being. That's a choice
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Speaker 1: I made. You're hearing Geordana defending himself to doctor Phil
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Speaker 1: and remind her Geordano has never been prosecuted for this case.
25:45
Speaker 1: Take a listen to Jeff Rosen at NBC Official c
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Speaker 1: Gary Giordano won't budge that Robin went missing underwater and
25:53
Speaker 1: he did nothing wrong. But now police say a fisherman
25:56
Speaker 1: out on his boat that day says he saw the
25:59
Speaker 1: couple and not only do they not go snorkeling. They
26:03
Speaker 1: didn't even get in the water. That story has not
26:05
Speaker 1: been proven yet, it has not been anchored in the reality.
26:08
Speaker 1: But if that statement bears reality, it's something that might
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Speaker 1: change to Bathood the investigation. Law enforcement sources tell NBC
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Speaker 1: News the fisherman claims he saw Gary and Robin leave
26:20
Speaker 1: the beach together. If true, that would shatter Giordano's timeline.
26:25
Speaker 1: The sources say Giordanod's behavior after she went missing was
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Speaker 1: bizarre too. He left the search early to sleep at
26:32
Speaker 1: his hotel. Okay, you know, to Jim Elliott, veteran trial
26:36
Speaker 1: lawyer at butlersnow dot com, very often we see cases where,
26:42
Speaker 1: let's just say, husbands don't join in the search for
26:44
Speaker 1: the wife, and that's fuel for speculation, but that's really
26:50
Speaker 1: nothing that proves a murder. No, I mean, certainly you're right,
26:57
Speaker 1: But in this circumstance, I mean, you can't. I wouldn't
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Speaker 1: think that the guy was distraught over her disappearance. They
27:04
Speaker 1: didn't know each other, although will and very odd behavior
27:08
Speaker 1: and which certainly should have again keyed law enforcement to
27:13
Speaker 1: take some more decisive action much more quickly. Well, in
27:16
Speaker 1: his defense, you state that they didn't know each other
27:20
Speaker 1: very well crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, you're talking
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Speaker 1: about the disappearance of a beautiful young American woman, Robin Gardner.
27:46
Speaker 1: He goes on a trip as friends with her email
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Speaker 1: buddy and never comes back alive. What was their relationship,
27:56
Speaker 1: how did they know each other? And what do we
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Speaker 1: know about Giordano's past? Take a listen to our friends
28:03
Speaker 1: at Dateline. Court records in the state of Maryland shed
28:06
Speaker 1: some light on Giordonald's life. Back in two thousand and three,
28:09
Speaker 1: Gary Giordano and his first wife went through a nasty divorce,
28:13
Speaker 1: trading allegations of abuse in court papers. After becoming single,
28:18
Speaker 1: he ended up with orders of protection against him from
28:21
Speaker 1: two different women. The picture that seemed to be emerging
28:25
Speaker 1: from some of those who had dated Gary Giordano was
28:28
Speaker 1: that he was capable of being charming one moment a
28:32
Speaker 1: monster the next. That's certainly what Christina says Robin told her.
28:38
Speaker 1: He was aggressive sometimes and verbally abusive. Case in point.
28:45
Speaker 1: Just months before the Aruba trip, Gary invited Robin to
28:48
Speaker 1: go on a cruise. She initially agreed, but then canceled
28:52
Speaker 1: when her boyfriend objected. Christina says Robin showed her some
28:57
Speaker 1: text messages Gary had supposedly sent Robin bailed. He said
29:02
Speaker 1: that he was going to ruin her life. He said
29:04
Speaker 1: he was going to get a hold of Richard he um,
29:08
Speaker 1: you know, I was going to let everyone know what
29:10
Speaker 1: a horse she was. But three months later, Robin agreed
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Speaker 1: to go to Aruba with Gary, and she just was
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Speaker 1: the clok, I can handle it. You know, I'm going away.
29:20
Speaker 1: You know. So often, doctor Jerry Crawsen, we go along
29:26
Speaker 1: with situations when maybe a sixth sense, our gut, our
29:32
Speaker 1: instinct tells us not to. I don't think Rob mc
29:35
Speaker 1: gardner really knew this guy before they went on vacation. No,
29:39
Speaker 1: that's part again of the predatorial nature. You see how manipulative,
29:43
Speaker 1: how sweet and convincing he can be, and then you know,
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Speaker 1: explode into violence and aggression. And even when those text
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Speaker 1: messages when she denied or canceled out on the first cruise,
29:58
Speaker 1: you saw how he responded like an instant aggression and
30:04
Speaker 1: threatening to ruin her life. One thing with the behavior
30:07
Speaker 1: also was when I have to hand it to him
30:11
Speaker 1: when he went to the hotel, because he basically kind
30:16
Speaker 1: of shut down and had a regroup mentally, so he
30:20
Speaker 1: didn't start filling up, which he still did a lot
30:23
Speaker 1: of filling up with what he was saying in his story,
30:26
Speaker 1: but at least that gave him some downtime to try
30:29
Speaker 1: to get his story better together than what you know,
30:33
Speaker 1: he was doing on the instant makeup as he was
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Speaker 1: going along. You know, to this day, isn't she Alexa's
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Speaker 1: trust shut that Gary Giordano and Cissy had nothing to
30:43
Speaker 1: do with Robin's disappearance. Yep, he does. He says that
30:47
Speaker 1: she disappeared in the water. He has not changed that
30:50
Speaker 1: one aspect of his story. But also we were talking
30:54
Speaker 1: about the life intern faulty. He tried to claim it.
30:58
Speaker 1: You know, he was certain in his knowledge that she
31:02
Speaker 1: was gone, and I would think the only way that
31:04
Speaker 1: you would be certain in the knowledge that she would call,
31:06
Speaker 1: like if it was a regular person, you would hold
31:08
Speaker 1: out hope that maybe a boat had picked her up,
31:11
Speaker 1: or you know, she had swum to the other side,
31:13
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know, knocked her head and had lost
31:16
Speaker 1: her memory. But he was certain that she was dead,
31:18
Speaker 1: and that's why he applied for the life insurance. Did
31:21
Speaker 1: he had never ever changed his story about that that
31:25
Speaker 1: one part. How quickly did he apply for the life
31:27
Speaker 1: insurance policy alexis well, I mean the travel insurance that
31:31
Speaker 1: covered accidental death. Right within days of her disappearance, he
31:37
Speaker 1: called the company and asked about the claim to Alexis
31:40
Speaker 1: Terrestia Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, what can you
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Speaker 1: tell me about Giordano leaving? You said he left a
31:49
Speaker 1: Ruba very quickly. What happened? So he attempted to leave
31:53
Speaker 1: a Aruba very quickly. Within about four days of Robin disappearing,
31:57
Speaker 1: he went to the airport to fly home to the
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Speaker 1: United States, and he was supposed to have a travel companion.
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Speaker 1: He told authorities there that she was taking a later flight.
32:06
Speaker 1: The authorities at the airport found this very suspect. They
32:10
Speaker 1: alerted the police and he would detained and he was
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Speaker 1: not allowed to leave the country. Karen Span, forensic expert
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Speaker 1: at the airport. Even though he knows Robin Gardner disappeared
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Speaker 1: in the ocean, that's what he says happened, he actually
32:26
Speaker 1: tells authorities she's taking a later flight. I have a
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Speaker 1: problem with that. I have a huge problem with that. Nancy. Listen,
32:34
Speaker 1: the whole story falls apart on its face, and you know,
32:38
Speaker 1: I know he's not a suspect. I know he hasn't
32:39
Speaker 1: been charged, but there is so much forensic evidence and
32:42
Speaker 1: so much other information that's been brought forward that needs
32:46
Speaker 1: to be really carefully gone through. And one thing that
32:50
Speaker 1: I saw and read was he turned in his rental
32:53
Speaker 1: car to the airport and said that it had been
32:57
Speaker 1: cleaned and police were unable to do anything with it
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Speaker 1: at that point, which I also find completely untrue. It
33:04
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if a carson cleaned, do you still need
33:06
Speaker 1: to go through it for any forendic evidence that may
33:08
Speaker 1: have been left behind. And you couple that with blood
33:10
Speaker 1: on a rock with it tested. Did anybody do any
33:14
Speaker 1: forensics from that blood? Any DNA testing to find out
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Speaker 1: whose blood it was? Lots and lots of questions on
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Speaker 1: this case, Nancy. That just don't sit well with me
33:21
Speaker 1: at all. You know, I said it then and I'll
33:23
Speaker 1: say it again after Robbin's disappearance and Natalie Holloway's disappearance.
33:29
Speaker 1: I never understand why people keep going back to Aruba.
33:33
Speaker 1: To you, Danielle Unclesby, not only are you Robin's sister,
33:37
Speaker 1: but you are also a professional travel planner with my
33:41
Speaker 1: Memories travel dot Com. It's so odd to me that
33:46
Speaker 1: after Robin and Allie Holloway both go missing in Aruba,
33:50
Speaker 1: tourism to Aruba Aruba actually spiked right right. Yeah, it
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Speaker 1: makes me question thing, absolutely wondering about this text. Have you,
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Speaker 1: Danielle uncles be spoken with Robin's hometown honey her boyfriend,
34:08
Speaker 1: because apparently the text I was referring to earlier where
34:12
Speaker 1: she texted her boyfriend and then Giordano sees the text
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Speaker 1: and has an angry confrontation with her. Did the boyfriend
34:21
Speaker 1: ever tell you what that text said? No, he never did,
34:25
Speaker 1: because according to reports, she told the boyfriend back home
34:31
Speaker 1: that she loved him and that they would sort out
34:34
Speaker 1: all of their issues when she got back home. To you,
34:38
Speaker 1: doctor Jory Crasen, if that's true, and if Geordano read it,
34:45
Speaker 1: and here he is taking her on a trip, I
34:48
Speaker 1: bet that caused quite the ruckus. I think that would
34:53
Speaker 1: be the final straw for him to put the plan
34:56
Speaker 1: in action, based upon his previous behaviors with his wife
35:01
Speaker 1: in the aggressive nature he's already demonstrated. You know, I
35:04
Speaker 1: wonder if they ever did go storkling because the photos
35:07
Speaker 1: that I have looked at alexis terres chuck. She is
35:10
Speaker 1: fully closed. It looks like she has like a Hawaiian
35:14
Speaker 1: wrap around skirt wrapped around her way. She's wearing wedge
35:19
Speaker 1: I want to say they're more like wedge sandals. Her
35:24
Speaker 1: hair is done according to witnesses, I can't see this
35:28
Speaker 1: from the video, but her hair was done as she
35:31
Speaker 1: was wearing makeup. And then you have this witness saying
35:34
Speaker 1: he saw the two walking along the beach and then
35:37
Speaker 1: drive off at the time Jordano says they went storkling. Yep,
35:42
Speaker 1: there is no proof at all and no evidence that
35:45
Speaker 1: they ever went in the water. That all the photos,
35:48
Speaker 1: all the videos of her, it's actually address. I'm looking
35:53
Speaker 1: at it right now, kind of it's address. She's got
35:57
Speaker 1: a black other bag, like a pocket boo bag over
36:03
Speaker 1: her shoulder. She's got off with where you have your
36:05
Speaker 1: bikini just tossed in there, like she is dressed to
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Speaker 1: go out. This is a fancy bag. She's got on
36:12
Speaker 1: high hill wedges. She's got carry a drink. She's got
36:16
Speaker 1: jewelry on her She's got on a bracelet and other jewelry.
36:20
Speaker 1: She's got her hair done, and she's wearing sunglasses. It
36:24
Speaker 1: looks like she's going out to a nice dinner out.
36:26
Speaker 1: It's what it looks like to me, it is And
36:28
Speaker 1: this was a vacation output for her. You know, she's
36:32
Speaker 1: been There's video from a couple of days of day
36:34
Speaker 1: were in the hotel. She had worn this dress before.
36:36
Speaker 1: It was sort of a favorite output for the time.
36:39
Speaker 1: You know, it's a tropical island. It's something that she
36:41
Speaker 1: really obviously loves to wear. And but there again, there's
36:44
Speaker 1: no evidence at all that they were in the water.
36:47
Speaker 1: And I keep harping on the fact that there's no
36:50
Speaker 1: evidence that he was in the water either nobody. He
36:53
Speaker 1: wasn't wet. He still had his shoes on. They were wet,
36:57
Speaker 1: but his short smart wet, and he wasn't wearing a
37:00
Speaker 1: bathing suit. Alexis, where does the case stand now? He
37:04
Speaker 1: has never been formally charged now to this day, he
37:08
Speaker 1: maintains his innocence. Yes, he was detained in Aruba for questioning,
37:16
Speaker 1: then released and came back to the US. He insists
37:21
Speaker 1: he's innocent. Where does the case stand now, Alexis, if anywhere?
37:25
Speaker 1: Basically nowhere. It is an open case. They have not ascue,
37:29
Speaker 1: did anybody. They haven't arrest charged him with the crime.
37:32
Speaker 1: They have never found her body, they have not had
37:35
Speaker 1: any breaks in the case in years, and nobody seems
37:39
Speaker 1: to be focusing on it at all. To Danielle Unglesby,
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Speaker 1: this is Robin's sister. Do you ever get updates or
37:47
Speaker 1: any information about your sister's disappearance? No, not at all.
37:52
Speaker 1: It's quite sad. If you could speak to your sister
37:55
Speaker 1: right now, what would you tell Robin? I would tell
37:57
Speaker 1: her that I love her, sir, I think about her
38:02
Speaker 1: every single day, and I just wish that, um, you know,
38:10
Speaker 1: um we could we could be together again. That's all. Danielle.
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Speaker 1: Do you believe there's any chance your sister is still alive?
38:20
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but you know, ten years later, I really have. Unfortunately,
38:26
Speaker 1: I've really lost feat sad to say it. There's a
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Speaker 1: tipline five zero three four two zero three one one
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Speaker 1: five repeat five zero three four two zero three one
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Speaker 1: one five, and to this day, Giordano insists he's innocent.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace crime story, signing off goodbye friend,