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- 0:58But let's let's turn our attention to the stack of notes
- 1:01on the desk today, because looking at some of these titles,
- 1:04we've got Kierkegaard, Biancho, Han, Data Feudalism.
- 1:08I get the feeling we aren't just talking about trade agreements
- 1:11today. No, not at all.
- 1:13We are talking about the, well, the architecture of reality
- 1:17itself. That's a big claim.
- 1:18It is, but I think it's justified.
- 1:20The central theme we're tackling is what some scholars are now
- 1:24calling the information regime. It sounds abstract.
- 1:27I know a. Little bit, yeah.
- 1:29But it's really the water we are all swimming in.
- 1:32We're looking at how digital surveillance, big data, and this
- 1:35this state of constant hyperconnectivity are reshaping
- 1:38not just our personal lives, but political autonomy itself.
- 1:42And we're going to be looking at this through a really specific
- 1:45are we? We're asking how does this new
- 1:48digital reality affect political autonomy from a Danish
- 1:51perspective? Exactly.
- 1:52And from there, how does that ripple out into diplomacy in
- 1:56general, and especially from a European standpoint?
- 1:58It's a huge topic. It really is.
- 2:00I think when most people hear surveillance, they think of
- 2:02cameras on street corners. Right.
- 2:04Or maybe the NSA listening to phone calls.
- 2:07That's the old model. But we are moving.
- 2:08I would argue we have already moved far beyond George Orwell's
- 2:12Big Brother. We're in a new era.
- 2:14We are in the era of big. OK.
- 2:16Big Brother versus Big data. Can you distinguish that for me?
- 2:18Because I think for the average person, it all just feels like
- 2:21being watched. What is the fundamental shift?
- 2:25The fundamental shift is from coercion to to freedom, or at
- 2:30least the feeling of freedom. The illusion of freedom.
- 2:32Precisely the old model, the Orwellian one, was about, you
- 2:35know, the boot stamping on a human face forever.
- 2:37You were watched, you knew you were watched, and you were
- 2:40afraid. It was a regime of no.
- 2:42You can't do this. You can't say that you.
- 2:44Cannot go there. It was top down visible
- 2:47oppression, the classic totalitarian state, right?
- 2:50But the model we are living in now, it is based on, yes.
- 2:54It's not forced upon us. We invited in.
- 2:57The mechanism of control isn't pain, it's pleasure.
- 3:00It's convenience, it's connection.
- 3:02So we aren't being forced to give up our secrets.
- 3:05No, we're happily posting. Them.
- 3:06We curate. Them, we brand them.
- 3:08We Polish them, we broadcast them, and to really understand
- 3:12this, to get to the bottom of why this is a crisis for
- 3:15diplomacy and not just, you know, a problem for teenagers on
- 3:18TikTok, we're just going to look at tech journals.
- 3:21No, we're going somewhere much older.
- 3:23We are going to use the philosophy of Denmark's most
- 3:26famous thinker, Surin Kierkegaard, to understand why
- 3:30our modern digital life is a profound threat to being a real
- 3:33human being. And by extension.
- 3:35By extension, a real sovereign state.
- 3:38I have to say I love that we are bringing the Great Dane into a
- 3:42discussion about algorithms. It sounds like a bit of a
- 3:45stretch at first glance. It seems like it, but looking at
- 3:47the material we have here, especially the analysis by the
- 3:50philosopher Hubert Dreyfus, it fits so perfectly it's almost
- 3:53eerie. So let's unpack this.
- 3:55We're starting with what we're calling the Danish Lens.
- 3:57Yes, Hubert L Dreyfus was a brilliant philosopher at
- 4:01Berkeley, and he saw the connection between computers and
- 4:04Kierkegaard way, way before anyone else really did.
- 4:08He looked at Kierkegaard's critique of the press and the
- 4:10public back in the 19th century. OK, so obviously Kierkegaard
- 4:14didn't have Twitter, you didn't have smartphone, but he hated
- 4:17the newspapers of his day. Oh, he detested them with a
- 4:21passion. But we have to be really
- 4:23specific here. His critique wasn't just, you
- 4:25know, journalism is bad or fake news.
- 4:28It was deeper than that. It was ontological.
- 4:30It was about what the press created.
- 4:32He argued that the press, this new technology of mass media, it
- 4:36conjured up a phantom, a monstrous abstraction he called
- 4:40the public. The public?
- 4:42That sounds so innocent. I mean, we talk about public
- 4:45service, public health, public squares.
- 4:47Why was Kierkegaard so afraid of the public?
- 4:51Because, he argued, the public doesn't actually exist.
- 4:54It's not real. What do you mean?
- 4:55Think about it. When you speak to a person, your
- 4:58neighbor, your friend, the person at the bakery, you are
- 5:01speaking to a specific, concrete individual.
- 5:04They have a name, a face, a history.
- 5:06If you insult them, there are consequences.
- 5:08Right. They can get angry, they can
- 5:10confront you. It's tangible.
- 5:11Exactly. If you make a promise to them,
- 5:13them you were bound by it. That is responsibility.
- 5:16But when the press speaks, or when public opinion speaks, who
- 5:21exactly is speaking? It's everyone and no one all at
- 5:26the same time. Precisely, it is a cloud, a
- 5:29ghost. Kierkegaard argued that this
- 5:32created what he called a leveling effect.
- 5:34Leveling, yeah. So flattening everything out,
- 5:36yes. In the public, everyone has an
- 5:38opinion on everything, but no one has any actual commitment to
- 5:42anything. It creates a state where you can
- 5:44be passionately interested in everything without ever having
- 5:47to risk yourself. That sounds painfully familiar,
- 5:50doesn't it? It sounds exactly like scrolling
- 5:52through a news feed. You see a tragedy in a war zone.
- 5:55You click a sad face emoji. You Scroll down.
- 5:56You see a cat video. You laugh.
- 5:58You Scroll down again, see a political scandal.
- 6:00You leave a snarky comment. And you feel like you've engaged
- 6:03with the world. Yes, you feel informed.
- 6:05You feel like you've participated.
- 6:06But you haven't actually done anything.
- 6:08You haven't moved from your chair, You haven't risked your
- 6:11reputation in a meaningful way. You haven't put your body on the
- 6:14line. That is the leveling.
- 6:16Everything is reduced to the same level of superficial
- 6:19engagement. And Dreyfus connects this
- 6:21directly to the Internet. He says Kierkegaard predicted
- 6:24the Internet aged perfectly. Kierkegaard feared that this
- 6:28anonymity, this ability to be part of the public without being
- 6:31a specific responsible person, would lead to a kind of
- 6:35nihilism. Nihilisms, a really strong word.
- 6:38We usually associate that with believing in nothing, with total
- 6:42despair. Is it so strong though?
- 6:44I mean, if nothing really matters enough to stake your
- 6:46life on or to make an unconditional commitment to,
- 6:49then does anything truly have meaning?
- 6:51That's a fairpoint. If everything is just content, a
- 6:54war, a recipe for banana bread, a diplomatic crisis, then
- 6:58everything is flattened on to the same level.
- 6:59It's all just a stuff to be consumed.
- 7:01So Dreyfus is saying that the Internet just amplifies what
- 7:04Kierkegaard saw in the newspapers. 1000 times times
- 7:07over in the 19th century, the press allowed for a lack of
- 7:11personal responsibility. Today, the Internet and what
- 7:15some thinkers call the swarm, makes that the default state of
- 7:18being. It creates this detached,
- 7:21superficial, almost ironic engagement with the world.
- 7:24OK, I want to dig into something Dreyfus talks about because I
- 7:26think it explains the psychology of this perfectly.
- 7:29He brings up Kierkegaard, stages of life, the aesthetic and the
- 7:34religious. Yes, this is absolutely central
- 7:36to the argument. Can you lay that out for us?
- 7:38What's the aesthetic stage? So for Kierkegaard, the
- 7:42aesthetic sphere of existence is about being a spectator.
- 7:45It's the life of curiosity, of avoiding boredom at all costs,
- 7:49of keeping your options open. The aesthete tastes everything
- 7:52but commits to nothing. They're a connoisseur of
- 7:54experiences. And the Internet is the ultimate
- 7:56aesthetic machine. It is the perfect engine for the
- 7:59aesthetic life. It is designed from the ground
- 8:02up to prevent boredom at all all costs.
- 8:05The infinite scroll is the very mechanism of the aesthetic
- 8:08sphere. There's always something new,
- 8:10something different, something shiny to look at.
- 8:12So you never have to choose. You never have to make a choice
- 8:15that closes off other options but to move to what Kierkegaard
- 8:19calls the religious stage. And we should be clear, he
- 8:22doesn't necessarily mean a specific organized church.
- 8:25Right, it's more about a state of being.
- 8:27It's a state of unconditional commitment to a person, to A
- 8:30cause, to a faith. To get there, you have to make a
- 8:33choice. You have to leap.
- 8:34You have to dare. And you can't really dare in a
- 8:37comment section. Not in the way he means it.
- 8:40You can be provocative, sure, You can be a troll.
- 8:42But that isn't daring, because there is no real risk to the
- 8:45self. If the heat gets too hot, you
- 8:47delete the account, you close the browser tab, you just walk
- 8:50away. You walk away.
- 8:51True commitment for Kierkegaard requires that you cannot escape
- 8:55the consequences of your actions.
- 8:57It's binding. It defines who you are.
- 8:59So let's bring this all together.
- 9:00From a Danish philosophical perspective, this digital life
- 9:04threatens political autonomy because it turns citizens into
- 9:08this phantom public. Exactly.
- 9:11And this is where it hits the Danish context so hard.
- 9:13Think about what underpins Danish society.
- 9:16It's a society built on incredibly high levels of trust.
- 9:19Yes, that's always the headline about Denmark.
- 9:21And that trust is built through fornings.
- 9:24Live, associational life. People physically showing up to
- 9:27run the football club, the housing association, the local
- 9:31branch of a political party. It's about embodied presence and
- 9:35commitment. It's.
- 9:36Tangible democracy. It's not abstract.
- 9:38It's doing things together in the real world.
- 9:41But if those citizens are transformed into a phantom
- 9:45public, a collection of anonymous, noncommittal
- 9:47spectators, what happens to that foundation?
- 9:50It's worth to crumble. The state itself becomes hollow.
- 9:53You have a lot of noise, a lot of opinions flying around, but
- 9:56no real political will, no capacity for collective risky
- 10:01action. We.
- 10:01Become a gallery of onlookers watching our own democracy, just
- 10:05scrolling through the news of its decline, but never actually
- 10:08committing to saving it. That's the Kierkegaardian fear,
- 10:10and this leads us directly into the work of a contemporary
- 10:13philosopher who takes this fear and shows us the precise
- 10:16machinery behind it. And that would be Byung Chu Han.
- 10:18Yes, he called it psychopolitics.
- 10:21Psychopolitics Now this is a conscious shift from a term that
- 10:25many people might be familiar with, which is Michelle
- 10:27Foucault's biopolitics. Right.
- 10:29Correct. And to really get Han, you have
- 10:31to understand who he is arguing with or building upon.
- 10:35Foucault, writing in the 20th century, analyzed the
- 10:38disciplinary society. OK, what did he mean by that?
- 10:40This was the era of the factory, the prison, the hospital, the
- 10:44army barracks, the era of big heavy institutions.
- 10:47Where people were physically organized, right?
- 10:51In that era, Fuko argued, power was about controlling the body.
- 10:55You were told where to be, how to move, what to do with your
- 10:57hands. It was a regime of no, you
- 10:59cannot do this, you must stay here.
- 11:01And the symbol of this was the panopticon.
- 11:03Jeremy Bentham's prison design. Yes, the guard sits in a central
- 11:06tower and can see into every cell.
- 11:08But the prisoners can't see the guard, so they have to behave as
- 11:11if they're being watched at all time.
- 11:13Because they know they might be. Yes, that's the disciplinary
- 11:16society. But Hans big argument is that we
- 11:18have moved past that. We are no longer in the
- 11:21disciplinary society, we are in the achievement society, OK.
- 11:25And in the achievement Society, we've entered the era of psycho
- 11:28politics. Power no longer needs to control
- 11:31the body from the outside, because it now controls the mind
- 11:35from the inside. And how does it do that if it's
- 11:37not the threat of the guard in the tower?
- 11:39It doesn't do it through coercion or saying no.
- 11:42It does it through what Han calls smart power.
- 11:45Which sounds a lot friendlier. Smart Power sounds like
- 11:47something you'd want on your side.
- 11:49And that is the trap. It's seductive, Han says.
- 11:52The new neoliberal regime operates not by forbidding
- 11:56things, but by pleasing us. It doesn't say no.
- 12:00It says yes like. Share.
- 12:02Boast. Connect, optimize, achieve.
- 12:05So we exploit ourselves. Is that the idea?
- 12:07That is the central brutal paradox.
- 12:10We exploit ourselves willingly in the belief that we are
- 12:12realizing our potential. We think we are expressing our
- 12:15ultimate freedom when we post our lives on Instagram or share
- 12:18our location data for a more convenient app experience.
- 12:22But we are actually just feeding the machine.
- 12:24We are feeding the machine that monitors and controls us.
- 12:27We become our own panopticon. Han uses a really powerful
- 12:31metaphor here and it fits so well since we started with
- 12:33Kierkegaard. He calls the smartphone a
- 12:36digital confessional. It is a brilliant, brilliant
- 12:40image. Think about the Catholic
- 12:41confessional. It's a small, private booth.
- 12:45You go in and you tell the priest your secrets, your sins,
- 12:48your deepest desires. And through that act power, the
- 12:52Church gains knowledge of your inner self.
- 12:54Yes, but you do it willingly. You do it because you feel
- 12:57unburdened. You feel better afterwards.
- 12:59It's a form of release. And today, the smartphone is the
- 13:02confessional and it's also the rosary we carry with us
- 13:05everywhere. Exactly.
- 13:06We are constantly confessing. We confess where we are via GPS.
- 13:10We confess what we want to buy via our search history.
- 13:13We confess who we love or hate via our social media activity.
- 13:17We are in a constant state of generating data about our
- 13:20innermost selves. And this demand for constant
- 13:22transparency, this is what Han calls the violence of
- 13:25positivity. Yes, that is a phrase that
- 13:28really sticks with you, isn't it?
- 13:29It does, because usually we think of violence as negative,
- 13:32as destructive. A punch, a bomb, a wall being
- 13:35built, something that says no. But an excess of light can blind
- 13:39you just as much as total darkness.
- 13:42Hahn argues that this relentless positivity, this excess of
- 13:46communication, this demand that everything be transparent and
- 13:49shared and liked, it destroys the secret.
- 13:52It destroys interiority. And I can hear a listener asking
- 13:55right now, why do we need secrets?
- 13:58Isn't transparency a good thing? Shouldn't a democracy be
- 14:01transparent? That is the modern reflex, and
- 14:03it's a powerful one. But Hans counter argument is
- 14:06that the secret, the hidden, the private is necessary for inner
- 14:11autonomy. If you are totally transparent,
- 14:14if every thought and feeling is immediately expressed and
- 14:17shared, you have no interiority left.
- 14:19You're just an interface. You're just a node in the
- 14:21network constantly reacting and transmitting.
- 14:23You have no space to develop a thought that is truly your own
- 14:25that goes against the grain. And what about politically?
- 14:28What does this do to the political realm?
- 14:30Politically, you absolutely need secrecy for strategy.
- 14:33You cannot have diplomacy, which by its very nature requires
- 14:37discretion and careful negotiation in a world of total,
- 14:40immediate transparency. It's impossible.
- 14:43If every tentative thought a diplomat has is tweeted, or
- 14:46every back channel negotiation is live streamed, the
- 14:49negotiation collapses instantly. It becomes pure theater.
- 14:53There's no room for nuance or compromise.
- 14:55This brings it right back to the listeners daily life.
- 14:58I think everyone on some level feels this exhaustion.
- 15:02Han writes about the achievement subject.
- 15:05The achievement subject is the person who is their own slave
- 15:08driver. In the old disciplinary society,
- 15:11the boss with a stopwatch forced you to work.
- 15:13In the achievement society, you force yourself to work.
- 15:16You're always optimizing. Your workout, your diet, your
- 15:19career, your social media profile.
- 15:21You want to be better, faster, more productive, more followed.
- 15:24You had a project to be managed, your own entrepreneur.
- 15:28And the result of that is burnout.
- 15:29Depression and burnout, Han says, are the signature ailments
- 15:32of this new era. They are not bacterial
- 15:35infections. They are what happens when the
- 15:37project of the self collapses under the the immense weight of
- 15:39this self exploitation. So here's the crucial question
- 15:42for international relations, for diplomacy.
- 15:46If your citizens are a collection of burnt out
- 15:49narcissists obsessed with their own data and performance, how do
- 15:54you run a sovereign nation? That is the $1,000,000 question.
- 15:58I mean, what does a nation state even mean in that context?
- 16:01If we are all just exhausted self exploiters, what happens to
- 16:05the people as a coherent political force?
- 16:07Which leads us directly to another of Hans Key concepts,
- 16:10the Swarm. This is absolutely vital for
- 16:13understanding why modern politics feel so chaotic and yet
- 16:16somehow so stagnant at the same time.
- 16:18We used to talk about the masses or the crowd.
- 16:21In the 19th and 20th centuries, the mass was a physical thing.
- 16:25People gathering in a square, workers marching out of a
- 16:27factory. Had a shared identity.
- 16:29They had a soul, a voice, a we. Exactly a we that could take
- 16:33coherent directed action. They could storm the Bastille,
- 16:35they could go on general strike. They had a common direction and
- 16:38a shared narrative. Han argues that the digital
- 16:41swarm is fundamentally different.
- 16:43How so? It is a collection of isolated
- 16:45individuals. Alone.
- 16:46Together. Yes, that's the perfect phrase.
- 16:49They are all sitting alone in front of their screens.
- 16:52They are connected by hyperlinks and hashtags, but they have no
- 16:55soul. They cannot form a we.
- 16:57They can't March together in any meaningful.
- 16:59Way. So what can they do?
- 17:00All they can do is swarm, and the primary output of the swarm
- 17:03is what Han bluntly calls the shitstorm.
- 17:06A technical term I'm assuming in his work.
- 17:09In this context, yes, absolutely.
- 17:10It describes a very specific hydrodynamic of information and
- 17:14emotion online. A shootstorm is not political
- 17:18discourse. It is not a debate.
- 17:19It's a discharge of effect. Pure effect.
- 17:22Your emotion, Anger, outrage, mockery, indignation.
- 17:25It flares up instantly with no warning, makes an incredible
- 17:29amount of noise, can destroy a persons reputation in hours.
- 17:32And then it just vanishes as quickly as it came.
- 17:35And Hans point is that this leaves the underlying power
- 17:37structures completely unchanged. Precisely.
- 17:40It's a huge release of energy, but it has no structure, no
- 17:43strategy, no staying power, just blows over like a digital squaw.
- 17:46The system that produced the outrage remains untouched.
- 17:50And this is where we really have to look at the implications for
- 17:52diplomacy and international relations, specifically for a
- 17:56country like Denmark. Yes, because what is diplomacy
- 18:00at its core? It's structure, it's rules, it's
- 18:02process. It's structure, representation
- 18:05and mediation. It is, by design, slow.
- 18:09It relies on representatives, diplomats, foreign ministers
- 18:13speaking on behalf of the people.
- 18:15But the digital swarm hates representation.
- 18:17It wants directness. It wants immediacy.
- 18:19Why isn't the Prime Minister answering my tweet right now?
- 18:22Exactly. It wants to tear down any
- 18:24intermediary. This destroys what Han and
- 18:27Nietzsche before him called the pathos of distance, the distance
- 18:31required for respect. Respect.
- 18:33How do you mean? The word respect comes from the
- 18:35Latin respasaire, which means to look back at, to look at from a
- 18:38distance. You need a certain distance to
- 18:40see things clearly, to have respect for an office or for
- 18:44another person. When everything is immediate,
- 18:46when you can tweet abuse at a foreign leader or your own Prime
- 18:49Minister instantly while sitting on the toilet, that distance
- 18:52collapses. So we are facing what you could
- 18:54call a crisis of representation. We absolutely are.
- 18:57The digital medium itself suggests that we don't need
- 19:00intermediaries anymore. We don't need political parties
- 19:02or diplomats. We can just have instant
- 19:04referendums on everything online.
- 19:07But Han says this is a dangerous illusion.
- 19:09It's an illusion because what replaces the diplomat isn't
- 19:12direct democracy. It's just noise.
- 19:15It's the disorganized emotional chaos of the swarm.
- 19:18It renders the professional diplomat superfluous in the eyes
- 19:21of the public, but it offers no workable alternative.
- 19:26If we're a small state like Denmark, which relies so heavily
- 19:28on soft power, on its reputation, on careful,
- 19:32consistent diplomacy, this kind of volatility is incredibly
- 19:36dangerous. It's a huge threat.
- 19:38If your foreign policy is suddenly being driven by the
- 19:40latest domestic shitstorm, the latest viral outrage, it becomes
- 19:44impossible to have a coherent long term national strategy.
- 19:47This date becomes purely reactive.
- 19:49You're just constantly putting out fires that were started by
- 19:51the swarm. Instead of building the future
- 19:53you want, you are in essence dancing to the algorithms Tune,
- 19:56not your nation's. This brings us to the actual
- 19:59structure that owns the swarm. We've talked a lot about the
- 20:02psychology of the user, the dynamics of the crowd, but what
- 20:05about the power of the platforms themselves?
- 20:08The outline calls this data feudalism.
- 20:10This is the geopolitical reality that I think we're still
- 20:13struggling to grasp. We are used to thinking of
- 20:16international relations as being about states, Denmark, Germany,
- 20:20the US, China, But now we have new actors on the world stage.
- 20:24The big tech companies. UFA, as they're often called,
- 20:27Google, Apple, Facebook which is now Meta and Amazon.
- 20:31And the argument, a very compelling 1, is that they are
- 20:34acting like the new feudal Lords.
- 20:36OK, unpack that analogy for. Me.
- 20:38Well, think about classical feudalism.
- 20:40The Lord owned the crucial resource, which was the land.
- 20:44The serfs lived on the land and worked the land.
- 20:46They got to keep some of the crop to survive.
- 20:48But the surplus value, the prophet went straight to the
- 20:51Lord. Right now, what's the most
- 20:53valuable resource today? It's not land, it's data.
- 20:57In data feudalism, the platforms are the new land.
- 21:00We, the users are the serfs. And here is the brilliant
- 21:03diabolical twist. What's that?
- 21:05We work the land for free. Every time you post, every time
- 21:08you search, every time you like a photo, you are creating data.
- 21:12That data is the new crop. The Lords Google Meta, harvest
- 21:16it, refine it and sell it for immense profit.
- 21:19And we don't even get to keep a portion of the crop, we just get
- 21:22the privilege of staying on the land.
- 21:24We get access, we get connection, we get dopamine
- 21:27hits, but we have no ownership, no rights to the value we
- 21:31create, and this creates a digital penopticon.
- 21:33But it's different from Bentham's present.
- 21:35Very different. In Bentham's Penopticon, the
- 21:38prisoners are isolated and forced to be there.
- 21:41In the digital Penopticon, we help build the walls ourselves.
- 21:43We want to be seen. We tag our friends and photos.
- 21:47We check in at locations. We are participatory inmates.
- 21:50So let's apply this directly to the idea of Danish sovereignty.
- 21:53If these digital fiefdoms, these American tech companies, control
- 21:57the flow of information, and if they control the psychopolitics
- 22:00of the Danish population, then where is the Danish state in all
- 22:04of this? That is the crisis of
- 22:06sovereignty in the 21st century. If the public sphere, the place
- 22:11where Danish citizens are supposed to talk to each other
- 22:14about their shared future, is owned and operated by a private
- 22:17American corporation with its own commercial interests, does
- 22:20the Danish state truly have sovereignty over its own
- 22:24national dialogue? It becomes a question of Danish
- 22:26law versus Silicon Valley algorithms.
- 22:29Exactly. And the algorithms will always
- 22:31win because they move faster. Diplomacy is no longer just
- 22:34between Copenhagen and Washington or Copenhagen and
- 22:37Brussels. It is now, crucially between the
- 22:40state and the platform. This is why Denmark actually
- 22:43became the first country in the world to appoint a tech
- 22:45ambassador. It was a groundbreaking move.
- 22:47I remember when it happened. It was a formal acknowledgement
- 22:50that these Companies Act like nations, that Google requires
- 22:53diplomatic representation just as much as Germany or France
- 22:57does. It was a necessary, if slightly
- 22:59desperate, move because the traditional nation state is
- 23:02losing its ability to regulate the perpetua mobile of digital
- 23:06capitalism. The algorithms change faster
- 23:09than Danish law can be written. They move faster than EU
- 23:12regulations can be implemented. And a small tweak to an
- 23:15algorithm. A small, unseen tweak to the
- 23:18News Feed algorithm by a handful of engineers in California can
- 23:22shift the the political sentiment of an entire
- 23:24population overnight, perhaps without even intending to.
- 23:27That is genuinely terrifying. It's not just about spying
- 23:30anymore. It's about nudging and shaping
- 23:32behavior on a national, even global scale.
- 23:35It is, and for a small nation like Denmark, that poses an
- 23:38existential threat. A massive nation like the US or
- 23:42China can at least try to build their own firewalls or regulate
- 23:44these companies because they are based there.
- 23:46But for Denmark, for much of Europe, we are essentially
- 23:50digital colonies of Silicon Valley.
- 23:52So the new diplomatic mission becomes how do we assert our
- 23:55sovereignty when the very ground beneath our feet, the digital
- 23:59ground, is owned by someone else?
- 24:01Precisely. And this brings us right back
- 24:03from the geopolitical to the personal How does living in this
- 24:07environment, this digital fiefdom, shape the very identity
- 24:11of the people trying to navigate it?
- 24:13The diplomat, the politician, the citizen.
- 24:16And the source of material we looked at presents 2 tropes for
- 24:20this two ways our identity is being shaped, the digital
- 24:22neurotic and the digital psychotic.
- 24:25Yes, these are strong terms, obviously, but they're used
- 24:28metaphorically to describe 2 dominant coping mechanisms.
- 24:31The digital neurotic is the anxious curator.
- 24:35This is the person. And you see this in public
- 24:37figures, diplomats, journalists, who is constantly anxiously
- 24:40stitching together their online brand.
- 24:42They are terrified of being misunderstood, of saying the
- 24:45wrong thing. They're constantly engaged in
- 24:47what's called audience design. Yes, exactly.
- 24:49Is this tweet professional enough?
- 24:51Will this photo offend the left? Will that statement offend the
- 24:54right? Does this post look authentic
- 24:56but not too authentic? It is an exhausting, never
- 24:59ending labor of constantly checking yourself against.
- 25:01That's the perceived judgment of the swarm.
- 25:03And the second type, the digital psychotic.
- 25:05This is the next step. This is the instrumentalized
- 25:08self. This is when you stop checking
- 25:10yourself against your own internal values and you start
- 25:13tuning yourself entirely and exclusively to the algorithm.
- 25:16You simply become whatever gets engagement.
- 25:19The algorithmic autobiography. Exactly.
- 25:22Your life story is written not by you, but by the feedback loop
- 25:25of likes, shares and comments. You see this in politicians who
- 25:29become absurd caricatures of themselves because they discover
- 25:33that outrage and extremism go viral.
- 25:35So the self ceases to be a source of values and just
- 25:38becomes a project for consumption.
- 25:40You are no longer a person with beliefs, you are a content
- 25:43creator optimizing for clicks. This connects directly to Jean
- 25:46Paul Sartre's idea of bad faith, doesn't it?
- 25:49It's a perfect modern example. Sartre talked about the waiter
- 25:52who plays the role of a waiter a little too perfectly.
- 25:55He's so absorbed in the performance that he isn't being
- 25:57himself, he's just being what the customers expect him to be.
- 26:01He has become an object. And in the digital age, we trade
- 26:05our substantive self, our actual private complex values and
- 26:09beliefs, for a situational self. We become whatever the metrics
- 26:14say we should be in that moment. And for a diplomat, for a
- 26:16national leader, that is fatal. Diplomacy requires a substantive
- 26:21self. It requires standing for
- 26:23something, for a set of national interests and values, even when
- 26:26it's unpopular. But if our leaders are trapped
- 26:29in this constant validation seeking loop, then policy
- 26:33becomes performative. It becomes about the viral
- 26:36moment, the sick burn in the UN General Assembly, the perfectly
- 26:39crafted tweet, the flawless photo op.
- 26:42It's not about the slow, boring, difficult work of long term
- 26:46strategy. You cannot negotiate a complex
- 26:48peace treaty if you're subconsciously worried about
- 26:50your Twitter engagement. So we have painted a fairly
- 26:53bleak picture here. We have a phantom public, a
- 26:56burnt out citizenry, a digital swarm instead of a people,
- 26:59feudal tech Lords running the platforms, and our leaders
- 27:03trapped in algorithmic bad faith.
- 27:04It's yeah, it's not a rosy picture.
- 27:06Is there a way out? I mean, how do we even begin to
- 27:08reclaim political and personal autonomy in this environment?
- 27:12There are thinkers who are proposing paths forward.
- 27:15One of the most practical is the idea of digital minimalism,
- 27:18which has been popularized by Cal Newport.
- 27:21But it has deeply philosophical roots.
- 27:23And this isn't just about, you know, deleting your Facebook app
- 27:25for a week, is it? No, it's not a temporary detox.
- 27:29It is a coherent philosophy of less It's about using technology
- 27:33deliberately and intentionally to support your deeply held
- 27:36values, rather than letting technology use you as a slot
- 27:39machine for validation and engagement.
- 27:41Newport talks a lot about the importance of solitude, and I
- 27:44think his definition here is absolutely key.
- 27:46It is. It's not the common definition.
- 27:48He defines solitude not as being physically alone, but as freedom
- 27:53from the inputs of other minds. That is such a powerful way of
- 27:56putting it. So you could be alone in your
- 27:58room, but if you were scrolling through TikTok or listening to a
- 28:01podcast, ironically enough, you are not in solitude.
- 28:04Not at all. You are flooded with the inputs
- 28:07of other minds. And Newport's argument, which
- 28:10echoes centuries of philosophy, is that without periods of true
- 28:14solitude, you cannot develop moral courage, you cannot
- 28:18develop original critical thinking.
- 28:20You are just processing this warm's noise.
- 28:22So for a diplomat, or for any citizen of a democracy, solitude
- 28:27is an essential resource. It's a precondition for clear
- 28:30thought. You need to disconnect in order
- 28:32to. Think And Bianchu Han proposes
- 28:34an even more radical solution, which I absolutely love.
- 28:36Yeah, he calls for the return of the idiot.
- 28:38Chuckles. Yes, but we have to be really
- 28:41careful with that word. Of course, of course he doesn't
- 28:43mean a stupid person. He is going back to the original
- 28:47Greek root itishes. Which meant.
- 28:50It meant a private person, someone who was not part of
- 28:52public life, not part of the polas, not part of the constant
- 28:55political noise. The idiot was the one who was in
- 28:58their own world. And he also connects it to the
- 29:01Dostoevsky incense from the novel The Idiot.
- 29:03Yes, Prince Mishkin, the character who is totally open,
- 29:07totally sincere and totally distinct from the scheming,
- 29:10cynical society around him. Han argues that the idiot, in
- 29:14this philosophical sense, is the only one who has access to the
- 29:18other, to the truly new thought, the idea that doesn't just come
- 29:21from the network. Why?
- 29:23Why does being an idiot in this sense help you think new
- 29:26thoughts? Because the swarm, the network,
- 29:29is fundamentally a space of sameness.
- 29:31It's an echo chamber. It reinforces what everyone
- 29:34already thinks. Han points out that the word
- 29:36intelligence comes from the Latin interledger, which means
- 29:40to choose between. So Intelligence is just picking
- 29:42from the existing options on the menu.
- 29:44Exactly. But idiocy in this philosophical
- 29:47sense is the ability to step outside the network entirely, to
- 29:50disconnect from the menu, to create a completely new path.
- 29:53It's about not communicating. So to bring it back to Denmark,
- 29:56for a small state to have true sovereignty in this hyper
- 29:59connected world, maybe it needs to be a bit of an idiot.
- 30:01In the best possible way, yes. It needs to have the courage to
- 30:05disconnect from the immediate global hysteria, to step back
- 30:09from the latest international shitstorm, and to think
- 30:11strategically and for the long term based on its own values.
- 30:15This sounds a lot like what Nietzsche would call the pathos
- 30:17of distance. It's the same idea stepping back
- 30:20to game perspective. True diplomacy, true statecraft,
- 30:24requires that distance. You simply cannot navigate a
- 30:27complex geopolitical crisis if you are reacting emotionally to
- 30:31every notification on your phone.
- 30:33You need the silence to see the underlying structure of the
- 30:36problem. That is a profound take away for
- 30:38our listeners, that in an age that worships hyper
- 30:41connectivity, perhaps the most powerful political act is to
- 30:44strategically disconnect, to reclaim the time and the
- 30:48silence, to actually think. It is the only way to transition
- 30:51from being a project that exhausted self optimizing data
- 30:54generating object back to being a subject a true human being who
- 30:58is capable of genuine political action.
- 31:01We need to cultivate what has been called high quality
- 31:03leisure. We need to stop seeing our
- 31:06downtime as just another opportunity to generate data for
- 31:09Google and start seeing it as the essential time we need to
- 31:12build and understand our own selves.
- 31:14To save democracy, we might just need to allow ourselves to be
- 31:17bored for a while. To sit in a room alone, without
- 31:21a phone and just think that is the beginning of real autonomy.
- 31:26So let's just briefly summarize the journey we've been on in
- 31:29this discussion we started with Sir and Kierkegaard's 19th
- 31:32century fear of the Phantom public.
- 31:34We moved through Bing Chilhan's analysis of the digital
- 31:37Penopticon and the violence of positivity.
- 31:40We looked at how the digital shitstorm has replaced
- 31:43diplomatic discourse, and we considered how our diplomats and
- 31:46leaders might be acting in algorithmic bad faith.
- 31:48It's a journey really, from the loss of the self in the network
- 31:52to the potential for reclaiming that self through disconnection.
- 31:55And it leaves us with a massive and maybe uncomfortable final
- 32:00question for you, the listener. If algorithms are increasingly
- 32:04writing our autobiographies for us, if they are directing our
- 32:08political outrage, and if our so-called public square is
- 32:12actually a private feudal estate, are we citizens of a
- 32:16country anymore? Or are we just becoming
- 32:19livestock in a digital fiefdom? It is a question that I think
- 32:23every free person needs to sit with and answer for themselves.
- 32:26On that very provocative note, we are going to wrap things up.
- 32:29Thank you so much for joining us for this exploration on
- 32:32diplomacy and international relations by Bastian Freibork.
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