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"Katniss on Fire"- with The Ultimate Fighter's Kaytlin Neil · Caught on the Mike...

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_01: Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this program are those of the speakers and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of any entities they represent.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_01: Listener discretion is advised.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_01: After that, thirteen, the question year of college, one speaker night at an MMA event.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_01: Let my next guest want to have asked the attack placer on season 30, this current season of the Ultimate Fighter 2015 on ESPN Plus.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_01: I'd like to welcome Caitlin Catnist Neil to the show today.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_01: We have a lot to talk about in a short time to get there.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: Ladies and gentlemen, this is Caught on the Mic.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_01: The Girl on Fire, Catnist Everdeen from the Hunger Games, has nothing on the MMA catnist.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_01: Caitlyn Neal, how are you?
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_00: I'm awesome.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_00: How are you?
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_01: I am great.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_01: Was that a proper introduction or what?
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_01: So how's the weather where you're at today?
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_00: The weather?
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's so great.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's beautiful here.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's like 90 degrees, not a cloud in the sky.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_01: Perfect day for an outdoor workout, then, right?
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: So currently you can be seen on this season of the Ultimate Fighter season 30 as part of Team Amanda Nunes.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_01: Let's talk about what got you there.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so that was actually the second time I applied to be on the Ultimate Fighter.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_00: I tried out for um, I can't remember which season it was, but it was the one where Deanna Bennett was on it.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_00: And um, so I went down there and tried out with her.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't make it.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_00: My record was nowhere like near where good enough it needed to be.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um and I barely had like enough fights to try out, so I knew I wasn't gonna make it.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um so but I wanted to get kind of on like the UFC's radar just so they knew who I was.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so that's why I went down and tried out the first time, didn't make it, and then this um time rolled around again, and I applied for it and they accepted me, so I was like stunned for it.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_01: Deanna Bennett is a teammate of yours, and that was season 26, if I'm not mistaken.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_01: So let's talk a little bit about how you got into MMA because I think it's a pretty unique journey.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_01: As a podcaster that has a lot of fighters on his show, I think people are really enthralled by the fighters' journey.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_01: Not so much the wins or the losses, but the story behind the story.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_01: What makes a fighter a fighter?
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_01: So, Caitlin, how did you become a fighter?
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so um I in short, I didn't make the college cheer team, and so I started fighting.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I just love competing.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_00: So I found fighting and I kind of saw fighting as like a sport that I could do um up until like my 40s or whatever, and then I can compete even past that in like jujitsu or whatever in masters if I wanted to.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_00: So it's kind of more of like something I could do the rest of my life instead of uh just the short span of cheerleading.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's like once you hit college, if you don't go pro, then you're kind of just done, and you you don't really see cheerleaders in their like 30s cheerleading.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_00: So um I wanted to find a sport where I could compete and like learn and grow like the rest of my life, and so that's how I found martial arts.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_01: That's admirable.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_01: If I read correctly, did you go to your first MMA fight as a freshman in college?
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I went to some just local MMA fights, and there was only one um women's fight on the card, and I think there was even lucky that there was a woman's fight way back then in Utah on the card.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_00: And once I watched that fight, I was like, oh my gosh, I'm gonna do that.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_00: That is like so cool.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_01: So, who were some of the fighters early on in your career that really inspired you and kind of lit that fire for you?
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so there was a local professional fighter, her name was like Tandy Schaefer.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um she retired soon after I started, but she kind of really inspired me.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_00: She's really big in like the local scene.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but uh women weren't allowed in the UFC then, or unless I'm sure she would have been in the UFC.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um so she really inspired me.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_00: And then also I think my first like really fangirl moment was like Misha Tate when I saw her on the Ultimate Fighter, because that's when I started seeing like, oh, there's other like women that like do the sport, and I felt like I kind of like resembled her a little bit, so I really kind of like looked up to her.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_01: So you have a background in cheer and gymnastics.
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  SPEAKER_01: Which came first and where did you really find your footing in those sports?
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  SPEAKER_00: So I started with dance and gymnastics ever since I could like walk.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I've always been very like athletic in that way.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then I started cheerleading, I believe my first year was in seventh grade.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_00: So I did cheerleading for six years.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I was like an all-star cheerleader, I was uh varsity as a freshman, and then I was captain my senior year.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_00: And so then when I didn't make the college team, I was like, wait, what?
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, why how did I not make it?
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like I was like so confused, and like this is like the weirdest thing, but like it ended up becoming like obviously way better for me.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_01: So have you stayed involved with like the NCA and done any cheer seminars or anything along those lines?
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_00: No, I am so outdated in the sport.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like if I went back onto a team like or like went back to coach or I'd be lost.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_00: But I feel like I would be a good conditioning coach for them.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_00: Just like I am familiar with the sport, so I know how they would like me for that.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_01: The reason I asked that is I had Pita Messias on my show a few weeks ago, and she still does some of those camps.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_01: And full transparency, my teenage stepdaughter just made her cheer varsity cheer team this last year at the tail end of her freshman year.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_01: So, as a cheer dad, I kind of have some sentiment with it.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, I think the last thing I did that was like even closer related to cheer was like your own netflip.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_00: So kind of call me back to that mentality.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_01: How has the cheerleading and then gymnastics been applied to your fight career thus far?
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I think any athlete, male or female, should have a base in ballet or gymnastics.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like it helps you move your body through space and helps you develop all that coordination, and that can translate into basically any sport you want to go and play.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_00: So having the dance and um related background and the gymnastics background really helped me pick up the move a lot easier.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, just because I started when I was I had like a month left of being 19, so I was like basically 20.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's a little bit late to like learn a brand new sport.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_01: And so I think that um one of the things that I've observed since watching this season of The Ultimate Fighter is how you leverage your social media to build a personal brand.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_01: That is something that I feel is really important.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_01: Is this something that's been nudged at you by management or something you came up with on your own?
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_00: I have a lot of fun with social media, so I just kind of like enjoy doing it.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like I didn't really like Instagram before there was reels, but I like really like making reels and making like short videos and like making people laugh.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's kind of like something I truly enjoy doing.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but before that, like I worked for a supplement company where I was kind of like their face of the company.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_00: I did like martial arts uh workout programs and like put the supplements with it.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so that's kind of they helped me with marketing, and I feel like that marketing background, like working in that job, has really helped even like my MMA career.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_00: Because I got, I'm pretty sure I got my fight on Bellator, which was my second pro fight, um, just because I had like a pretty big social media following.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_00: So they're like, oh, I guess we'll give this girl a shot, even though my record was 0 and 2 at the time.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I think it's definitely helped me.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um maybe the reason I make such a staunch parallel is my time in the music industry, but I do realize the importance of posting that one to two minute video every day, or posting two to four times a day, like Gary V suggests you do.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_01: Is this something that you feel that more fighters could benefit from if they embraced the social media and made themselves a little bit more active with fight fans as they establish their brand?
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, I feel like people like that's what they want to see.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like watching the fights are awesome, but also if like you really like that fighter, then you kind of want to see what they're doing outside of the cage too.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like what made them go into a cage to like want to like beat someone up, you know?
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_00: So I feel like um like all fighters should just be like kind of like showcasing that a little bit more, and plus it also helps with like brand deals and sponsorships and being able to like earn money outside of uh fighting as well.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's been a lot of fun to watch you, Chandler Cole, and Zach Pounga since this season of the Ultimate Fighter started interact with one another and create those videos.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_01: I've seen Zach increase his social media presence a ton, and I'm like, yeah, brother, get after it.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, totally.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_00: I think Bobby kind of helped Zach with that, like kind of taught him like you need to market a little better.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_00: And then I gave him like a couple tips here and there, like for sponsorship or whatever, like products and stuff like that.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_00: But I think his reels are starting to become like pretty funny, so I'm glad that he's eating out.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah, because he was like one of my favorite people in the house, and I think so.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_00: Chandler was loud and stirred the pot a lot, but he was loud about it.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_00: But I think the person who was stirring the pot the most was Zach, but he was just more reserved and quiet about it, so people didn't really like pinpoint him.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_00: But I really think Zach was like the true pot stir of the house.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: Now I heard Juliana Miller say that he was the dad of the house, but I didn't hear that he was the pot stirrer of the house.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_01: For real, that's fantastic.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_01: Now let's talk a little bit about your time on the Ultimate Fighter.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_01: I know there's things we can't talk about because of NDAs, but your fight, your next fight, is next week, right?
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_00: It does, yep.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: Almost there.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_00: I was like the very first girl fight, and I'm the very last.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_01: So how pumped are you for everybody to see it?
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you know, so pumped to get everything over with and like move on and like kind of like work from there, you know.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_01: Blessing of the show aside, do you feel like it's slowed your momentum down because you have to play this wait and see game?
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, yes and no.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's really bumped it up since like I've gotten out of the house, but then also at the same time, I feel like okay.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_01: So let's talk a little bit about what's happened in the house up to this point, up to this current episode.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_01: Do you feel like there's things that the audience has missed out on due to editing or something of that nature?
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_00: I honestly just wish the episodes would be like an hour and a half, just so they can show a little bit more of what was going on in the house.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, just because Mitch lost his first fight like so soon and so early, and Mitch was hilarious.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like he was so funny in the house, and he also had like crazy like drama and stuff.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_00: So I wish they would have shown a lot more of Mitch and his personality.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then like just kind of like the things that like went on in the house.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like Charlie was constantly doing something every day, and so he was hilarious to watch.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_00: And then um, yeah, I kind of feel like they didn't show like some people, like Hannah, they didn't show very much of her or uh even Claire.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: Claire was so nice and so cool and so chill.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_00: So I feel I just wish they would show the person that they just like.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_01: So I've read that you're a fan of reality TV, and one of the observations that I've noticed is there's not a lot of that manufactured drama like you would get off of a real housewives or a Road Rules or a Real World or a Survivor or something of the like.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, the producers were really kind to all of you guys, weren't they?
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: I almost feel like the producers are really nice.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like I heard like producers on The Bachelor are kind of like mean and will literally like cut and splice things together.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I feel like they wandered down a lot of the things that happened in the house.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like they could have made some people look so much more crazy or wild than they did.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I feel like they they were kind of like nice to us a little bit.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um I got like a really good edit, so I was like super happy with that.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like, but I feel like some of the things I said and like some of my sense of humor um could have been taken the wrong way, and they definitely could have just like turned things on their head and made me look like I was some like Eva Ditzy girl or whatever.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, my intent is definitely not to put you in front of the firing squad here, but do you feel that any of the fighters were misrepresented due to editing or mischaracterized, if you will, not the true self?
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_00: Mischaracterized no that's fair, that's totally fair.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_00: It was very accurate.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_00: If anything, it was watered down.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's totally fair.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of like one of those never meet your idols kind of things when you see somebody in one perspective and find out about them in another.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I am like I thought I was a little bit like crazy going in the house or like wild or whatever, but I'm like, I grew up in like Utah County, more like bubble, like Mormon, like the sheltered, and like I am not as crazy as I thought I was.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_01: So you were quoted early on in saying that you thought you would be a good fit for Juliana Pena's team because your fighting styles were very similar.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: Do you have any regrets about your team choice or who chose you?
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: I definitely ended up in the right place.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_00: I think if I would have been on Team Penya, I would have been like miserable.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it wasn't because of her coaching.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_00: I think Juliana had like awesome coaching.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um but I just think like the vibe of her team and the way they acted, the way they like interacted with each other.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_00: I just probably wouldn't have gotten along with them as well as I did with Team Nunez.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_00: And like we were having fun at practice, and it was like hanging out with us.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_00: It was like a really good team and a really good vibe the whole time.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what really made my experience on the Ultimate Five is like having that like team aspect and just having like fun with it too.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_01: There's probably a lot to be said also by working with somebody whose style is different than yours, so you were able to get some of Amanda's tools in your toolbox.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, obviously.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, like learning from one of the greatest women of all time to like you can't get worse from going through that, you know.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: And one hell of an axe thrower, too.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: Did you guys get to throw axes after that coach's challenge?
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: No, let us that sucks.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, I shouldn't have let us do that.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I would have loved to have like destroyed Mo in it or something.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like a team challenge.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: That would have been awesome.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: So let's talk a little bit about your time outside of the ring a little bit.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: What are some of your hobbies and some of your interests?
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: That is a hard question because like I basically just like wake up, train, work, and then I go back and train at night.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I guess I'm a business owner.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: I guess that's kind of surprising to people.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_00: People think I'm just like sponsored by Bad Athletics, but it's actually like my company.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_00: I own it and I help like develop the products in the beginning.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like, yeah, um, I'm a business owner as well as a fighter.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um other than that, I basically just like online shopping and doing something that's like pretty chill because I'm always like constantly like working out or training or doing something that I just kind of like to completely just chill.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: All said and done, being an entrepreneur probably takes up plenty of time though, doesn't it?
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yes, yes, it does.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: So do you work with any other fighters or fitness figures while promoting your brand or having them endorse your brand?
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so we do have um a lot of ambassadors that promote bad athletics.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's mainly fitness people, um, but we'll probably start sponsoring um a little bit more fighters uh now that the show is like ending.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: And we're sponsoring people from the Ultimate Fighter.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: So were there any relationships that you made as a result of the show that are still going today?
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I feel like the people I talk to the most.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: So Chandler, he says he texts and calls everybody every single day, and I 100% believe that because I get a call or a Snapchat from him every single day.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, how do you have so much time to be able to like contact everybody?
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like the people I hear from the most are probably like Chandler, Nile, Zach, and Bobby.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: Those are the people like I talk to the most.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um, occasionally I'll hear from like Kat or Brogan on social media, occasionally Claire.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then I talked to Hannah like quite a bit.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like she always wants to come and train, um, but I haven't been in Vegas since the show to go back and like train with Hannah.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, it's been pretty cool, like the relationship, still have relationships with people.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: I thought about this last week since I was at high altitude martial arts, home of Elevation Fight Team last week.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: Have you ever considered visiting one of your teammates' gyms just to check it out?
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I would love to go to Colorado and go train with Claire and like maybe see Zach.
• 19:23
  unknown: I don't train with her.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um I think Colorado, like I don't know, Claire's teammates seem like they're really like high-level, high caliber, and Claire's like a bad A.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I did not want to fight her in the house.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um so she um I think uh it would be really fun to go out and train with her and see like how Colorado's doing.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: Plus, it's similar like altitude to Utah, so I think I would like that.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: But um I definitely want to keep my experiences in martial arts just because I love the girls' team there.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_00: I love working with like John Wood, and it's been such like a fun and good environment for me to be in.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: Now, is there somebody that lived in the house that maybe you would look forward to having a matchup with later on down the line?
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: A fight, if you will?
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, but I'm just gonna leave it there.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you're not gonna say who?
• 20:18
  unknown: No, not gonna come up.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: All right, I'm sorry, I'll back off.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: I won't push too much further.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: We'll see.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: Ah, that's not a no, that's not a no.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: So, what happens in the next six months for Caitlin Neal in her MMA career?
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: Give us a little insight of how you see the future panning out.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I mean, the main goal is just to get a UFC contract.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: So, however that looks, whether I get it from uh fighting on the finale or whether I get it through um getting signed somehow, um, that's my ultimate main goal.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I think I can achieve that within the next six months.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um and then if not, just like continue just working hard, uh keep fighting, doing what I'm doing, um, building up my brand, building up the promotion, um, obviously like building up my skills, um, just I can uh fight at a high level and be able to like dominate at a high level.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that was another thing I was pondering the other day was how many people win or lose that have been on the show, been on the ultimate fighter, still end up with UFC contracts.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's happened more times than not, hasn't it?
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and then even if like they don't get a UFC contract, it's really likely that if a fight falls out like for a UFC card, then they'll just pull someone that was on the ultimate fighter and put them in short notice for the fight.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: So, I mean it's not a loss either way, like you're definitely on UFC's radar.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_01: So So what is your advice for making the world a better place today?
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like the only that's a few loaded questions.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: I would say basically just making it like making yourself like the best person you can be.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: So and that reflects out onto other people.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um so if you can share your light with other people, it will help share their or it will help their light grow and then they can spread that on.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, as far as like big, huge like controversial things.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um obviously, like I I don't know how much like one individual can make a huge difference unless they like really, really go after and really are passionate about it.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: So if you do have that passion and if you are outwardly like open about it, um it's a very unique and loaded question to ask fighters in particular.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: I believe you and I could probably agree that the sport of mixed martial arts has changed so much and even as short as the past five to ten years, that there is a lot of stereotypes that need to be broken.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: It has become more about athleticism versus just blunt force trauma.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_01: So I always ask that question because the insight that a fighter gives, that fighter's journey, I think is really important for my listeners to take away from that answer and apply a sense of insight to their own lives.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: So, of course, there's nothing you can share with us today, but after the show is all said and done, you're gonna have some big news for us really soon, right?
• 23:56
  unknown: Yep.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_01: Hey Caitlin, thank you very much for doing the show.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate it.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: I hope to have you on again sometime soon.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate it.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for having me on.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: Some fun talking to you.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_01: Once again, I'd like to thank Caitlin Katniss Neal for being on the show today.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: You can find her on Instagram at Caitlyn KatnissMMA.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: Search her out, find out what she has going on, and you can also see her on season 30 of the Ultimate Fighter, available now on ESPN Plus.
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• 25:01
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• 25:02
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