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Answering your Speakpipes! #196 · The Magic Guys

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They're guys they do magic they are the magic guys,
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ladies and gentlemen welcome to episode
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196 of the magic guys
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i can't believe we're here and we're
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here to have some fun with you guys to my left we've got
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nick k welcome to the show i to be
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in a band oh oh yeah
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and uh that was the wrong cue but
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that's fine and i am your friendly magician neighborhood
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magician josh nabito welcome to episode 196
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and look this is the podcast where we.
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As professional magicians share advice share
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shenanigans interview wonderful guests and we
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do this live with cool people like you nick who
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the hell have we got here today in our chat we
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have our wonderful regulars we have our good friend thomas congo
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our good friend nick dragoteer we have tim askin and
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of course scotty painter kaden good to see you all
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chris layton thanks for being here buddy friends we
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like to communicate with you guys as much as possible so by
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all means light up the chat ask your questions more
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importantly send through your speak pipes which is
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exactly what today is all about so oh
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we have yeah an abundance of them
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to the point where i'm not even sure we're going to be able to
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get through all of them in the one hour we get to hang out today
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but yeah you guys really delivered i
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put out the i put out the call in our discord and you
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guys did not disappoint so give yourselves
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a round of applause oh yeah so should
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we start nick i mean i'm ready man i'm
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ready let's let's chat yeah so right
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now we actually got sent one a week
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or so ago that just so happened to be in
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line with this big pipe day so this first one comes
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from our friend dave wyatt let's see.
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What he has to say guys dave white here from cornwall england
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i was just listening to your spitballing episode and the part i've got my own
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take on the lucky lady book so I've took it back to the paddle move and put
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it on a paddle but my paddle I've crafted to be in the shape of a leaf.
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So this goes because in the tutorial, I can't remember the guy who created it,
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unfortunately, but he was saying
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that you need a justification to have the participant put their hands out.
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And I was reading a nice story about a lucky leaf.
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And if you catch a leaf that falls from a tree, that that is lucky.
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So I've created a paddle. i can use
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that as my story and then use the
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ladybug in the same way with the paddle
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move and just thought i'd share that with you guys anyway thanks
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very much and catch you around bye now can
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i just say off the bat lucky ladybug has got to be trick of the year if not
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one of the greatest tricks of all time i had an amazing moment was i was performing
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this weekend with it which i i would love to share if i could just derail the
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conversation for just a moment because I actually ended up contacting Buck from Deuce Gala,
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who produced Lucky Ladybug, which was obviously created by Joshua Ray.
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A beautiful trick in which if you're not familiar with it, there's three playing
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cards and you do a beautiful moment in which a ladybug will appear on the back
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of a spectator's hands, which you gift them. It's a wonderful trick.
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And if you haven't got it, you have to add it to your repertoire because I'm
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someone who doesn't do commercial tricks at all, but I do this trick non-stop.
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Like it is one of the most wonderful moments. And what I want to share before
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we jump into the leaf notion is that I was performing away and it was like a
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young lady's 11th birthday, one of my venues.
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And so I went over to the young lady and I decided to do the ladybug and I did
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it and they loved it. Now we're all super stoked about it.
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Her mother pulls me aside and explains that her grandmother passed
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away a week ago and she loves ladybugs
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to the point where like they
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were just constantly looking for them like
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you know it's like they as they go to the garden like always keeping their
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eyes out for these signs from nana if you will and when i did that the lady
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was like teary saying that like it made me feel like grandma was here and that's
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it's just the strength of this routine and dave full credit to you for like
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using this leaf and a paddle move.
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That is genius. I absolutely love it and I'm going to tell Buck all about it
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because the first thing I did after performing that gig was getting a voicemail
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and send him this information. So I think this could be.
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A really really important thing yeah i
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mean you're just making it make more sense and it's a great variation and it
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seems like there's a lot more to explore with with lucky ladybug i think it's
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going to keep evolving right from all these magicians are experimenting with
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it and dave that was great.
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And if i was a ladybug i i haven't tried this if i if i was a ladybug i would say,
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dave that was amazing thank you for creating that adaptation and that's my story
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all right shall we uh shall we move on obviously i'm playing some new tech today
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ladies and gentlemen but let me know if you like that all right we are getting
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experimental most definitely But Dave, that's so great.
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That's so great. And if there's any opportunity for you to share a performance
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of that, if you do by chance happen to capture that, please share it in our Discord.
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We would love to see it. I think that's an amazing idea.
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Keep it going. Love to see it happen. All right. Let's keep moving. I love that.
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Our next one comes from just Jimmy. Jimmy.
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Jimmy. Thank you for sending in your voice message.
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Let's see what you are up to, my friend.
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Hey guys was thinking of
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some questions to get some free loot and decided
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to go with the vulnerable route i had a
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wine party here not too long ago i
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was doing some tricks for the guest and my
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beautiful wife decided to heckle
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me innocently at the key
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moments of reveals or important times where
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i needed them to see something and i know this happens
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outside all the time for you buskers for even the key shows but what do you
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do when the key moment has been missed by the spectator by either an interruption
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or whatever how do you do you get it back on track do you show it again do you
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start over i mean what's your what's your methods that's,
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that's a really good question jim that's a really good question because it's
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remarkable how many people have ADHD and won't wait for that moment.
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Or you're like, you're about to turn a card over and they'll like turn to you
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and ask a question. It's like, you got to focus, man, you're going to miss the moments.
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And I know exactly what that's like, because I try to do routines that I open
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with and explain to people, like, you got to pay attention.
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It's like, you see the card go? You got to pay attention. It's under the box.
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And I go, look, I'll do it again. You see it go? No, it's back under the box.
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Guys, you got to pay attention if you're I don't enjoy this.
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And I kind of like, I guess what I'm sort of leading to is that prevention is
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key, where you really don't want to miss the moment.
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And depending on the state of the routine, if it's the reveal, it does happen.
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People will talk over you, whether it be your wife or drunk spectators or just
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people in general, like people will do this.
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And sometimes when the moments are missed, you just need to move on and just
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like it's like just trundle on.
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And the way I want you to think about it, Jim, is I want you to think about
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it like if you were performing and you dropped you dropped a coin.
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You wouldn't go put a neon sign around
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it and be like oh you should have seen me while i was practicing because
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then you just put a big neon sign like i've dropped the
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coin blah but if you dropped it and just picked it up and
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moved on that moment that framing isn't
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as important so ultimately the way i see
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it is that you've done your best to frame
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a moment somebody can ruin it and don't
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get me wrong like sometimes i try to do beautiful moments for a child
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or for someone who's having their birthday and there's always some
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dick bag who's trying to ruin it for them and i'm just
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and i've got to say like listen i'm trying
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to do something special for our birthday person like i
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need you to just a good back up like this is not for you this is for them like
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just let me do something nice for them be a nice friend you know and they're
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like shut up i'm trying to do something nice so yeah so i think that one preparation
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and two sometimes Sometimes if moments fail,
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don't put a neon sign around it, move on,
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all they're doing is spoiling themselves.
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What you have is a gift and you're delivering it. And if they're not appreciating
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the gift, then that's on them.
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I think it's the classic case. What Jimmy's specifically mentioning is his wife,
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who loves seeing him perform, is accidentally heckling.
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I think it's the classic case of your friend knowing what trick you're about
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to do, and they're kind of reacting. They're like pre-reacting.
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Or they're kind of reacting right before the moment, which is putting off the audience.
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It's like when you get the boss saying, hey, could you show them that trick you just showed me?
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And if you do do it, you hear them say stuff at the wrong parts of the routine.
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And a good example is at the Theater of Magic, I know Nigel's listening to this. So what's up, Nigel?
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We had a meeting and it was my turn to show some magic to these people.
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Now, I just started learning this new routine that Chris So Nigel enjoyed watching
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me do, but the moment I did the move, which is invisible,
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these two start reacting and go, Oh my God, I can't believe that.
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While the staff are here just like, what do you mean? Cause nothing's happened
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yet. No revelations happened.
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And then I'm like, guys, they, nothing's happened yet for them.
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You're reacting in the wrong part. And then, so because of that,
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the staff are now confused.
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And so by the time I actually got to the end, it did take away from the action
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a bit because these guys popped off and it was very confusing why,
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but ultimately it's just excitement.
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So Alex is saying that the- Get a new wife?
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Get a new wife. That's probably not the advice you need, but don't completely discard it.
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That's not what I was saying. Let me say to your point There's certain things
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that the reveal Could be amazing but people can Dull it So a perfect example is.
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You'll let's say you're going to reveal a card just for the sake of
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of explanation so you reveal a card and you say was your card
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the queen of hearts and they go maybe and it's
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like you need to tell my audience it's
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correct or this is very underwhelming you
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know and then you try to combat that and you
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say yes or no was your card the
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queen of hearts and they go maybe and it's like
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you're just you're giving people an
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opportunity to use to celebrate them and give them a beautiful moment
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to be part of a show and they want to ruin it and it's like it's just so ridiculous
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how some people don't want to give you like an affirmation and i've experienced
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that a lot just in the past week and i think that's kind of what he's alluding
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to where it's like the reveals there but it's being weakened by somebody's interaction
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and how do you combat that interaction by getting people to,
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you know and and so so there's certain things that i do now to combat that where.
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I'll like so for example i could say like was your card the four hearts and they'll go maybe or no,
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so what i do is i break up the revelations it's just something that
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you might want to try to help combat that let's say that
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a card was chosen you got to reveal it and you go tell me
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was your card a four yes but
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then you can say was your card a heart and
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they'll go yeah and then i'll go final question are
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you guys going to clap or what and the
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reason that's good to do is that i find people who
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have been doing this and ruin the revelation when you
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say was it a four and they go maybe like
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that it's a kind of like i need an affirmation man they go yes good good it
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is now you you haven't actually dulled the step they've might have knocked it
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down a step but then you're kind of back to square one because they agreed yes
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it's a blah and then you get the next revelation which is the suit and then
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you can go for your applause cue.
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So that's a nice little way to combat things if you are going to be around people
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who are going to be cynical and are going to have this sort of notion in which
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they're going to try and ruin it for you yeah there will never be there's always
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those people undoubtedly always and so yeah that's great advice from Nick.
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I think we press on and our next speak pipe is from, our next speak pipe is from Tim Askin.
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If you can come to aisle 22, we're going to play your speak pipe.
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That's never going to get old. All right, Tim, you're up my friend.
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And he's in the chat too. So this is perfect.
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Hello, Magic Guys. It's Tim Askin from New York City.
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And Nick, I've been asking all my life, and I still don't have the answer.
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I don't really have a question for you guys today.
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Here in the States, it's time to give thanks. And I thought I'd express my thanks
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to you guys and everyone in the
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chat for making this my happy place every week. Keep them coming, boys.
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Oh, oh, oh.
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Talk about the woman fuzzies. That's beautiful. Tim.
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Yeah that was awesome tim thank you for the kind
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words buddy that is that's really sweet dude like that
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is really really cool of you and we're so happy to be able to be
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able to call you guys friends and you know and and say you
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know just hang out and chat like there
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is no show without you guys be very very clear about that
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so thanks for being cool as well by
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the way that yeah the which i can't
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do because i'm not good at those yeah yeah i
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love it beautiful all right well dude that was cool keep
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them keep that coming tim we appreciate you next is
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kaden who's also in the chat as well right here
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uh kaden let's see what you're up to
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my friend today hey magic guys how's it going kaden here just had a question
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for you guys i was wondering if there's a magic effect that either you have
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seen or maybe that you guys perform that would be like your favorite magic effect just in general?
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Hope you guys are doing well. See ya.
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Great question, Caden. Is there a magic effect? Is it specifically gimmick?
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A gimmick effect? I think it's just saying effect in general.
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I guess what would be an effect that... You know what I love?
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I love things where it's like like David Regal, how he'll just pick up the deck
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of cards and roll it into a paper ball and throw it away.
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Or you'll see something like Garrett Thomas and Danny Garcia do these very clever
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things where they'll have a wallet and Garrett Thomas will just pick up the
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wallet and it's Play-Doh.
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And he just sort of wraps it, just tears it apart and puts it away.
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I love seeing stuff like that. Danny Garcia did a thing at Magic Live in which he had a wallet,
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but it was actually a like a piece of
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paper like like he opens it up and then he actually
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opens up and it's like it's just it's made of paper and it's like there's a revelation in
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it there's just so much crazy stuff you can do like even the thing where it's
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like i stole your watch and it's not a watch it's just paper you because oh
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it's not he just tears it up and throws it and i'm like these ideas like i was
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thinking about that this morning and i i personally love effects like that that
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are so left of center that you're just like,
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things that are hiding in plain sight that you don't notice.
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Like Blake Voight, when he tears apart that chair.
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What's it called wizard war wizard wars yeah stuff like
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that i guess what he's saying i'm just testing my mic as well
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by the way ladies and gentlemen while we're check check check
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all right maybe that's better but he's
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saying stuff that you use so you know i don't have too many tearing chairs but
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i tell you the thing that i'm really enjoying right now just messing around
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with and it's not a trick but man is it fun to just get get funny looks from people is this one.
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Pop stickle this is just such a funny bit and i i've started using it not not
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only on stage like in just those funny beats where people are shuffling cards
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and they take too long or whatever but now i'll even do it in close-up sometimes
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when when someone's really being,
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and not not annoying but when someone's trying
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to take a bit of the spotlight and they're like oh i'm gonna really
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thoroughly shuffle the cards and you're like all right cool well i
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may as well just step back and relax and then you start eating
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an ice cream and it brings the the power back on
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you as if like you're ready for people to do this
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all the time so yeah popsticle from
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juice gala by pop hayden this isn't
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meant to be a promo but this like you just get i
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have so much fun with this yeah it
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gets so many funny looks i rate it
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yeah okay well i
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hope that answers your question in there bud thank you Caden yeah oh
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and Scott Payne is also saying the the fake deck of card box that I use is is
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very cool too I do have one yeah the one yeah yeah you can yeah you can have
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it have it let me just reach over to it one second I the amount of messages I get from magicians.
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Because you know people should just be able to enjoy videos but everyone likes
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to go oh who's effect is that? Is it yours? Can I learn it?
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And that's fine. But so the amount of messages I got about this deck box is insane.
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So for everyone watching that has asked, this is the actual product.
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So it's from Jeffrey Wang.
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He uses this in his Fool Us Act, but, and I think in his FISM Act,
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but yeah, it comes like this, but he only sells them in person at conventions
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unless you You message him really nicely on Instagram like I did.
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And it's hilarious that it comes, for those who do stack work,
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it actually comes with a nine of diamonds on the bottom and a spare four of clubs on the top.
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But this is so well 3D printed because it's beveled so from far away.
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It's just, it is a deck of cards, but then it obviously opens up and you can
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have whatever you want inside. And he's also gone and made an extra layer,
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which is crazy, of basically black art within it.
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So if you flip this over and then open it, now it's going to hide whatever was on that extra layer.
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So he's actually really thought, so you could have seemingly nothing and then have a coin appear.
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Like, or, or a card technically folded up or something.
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But anyway, that is what that is. And if you're, I'm so sorry if you're listening
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to this in audio and not watching it, because that would have just sounded weird.
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Oh, and here's a thing. And if you lift this up and there's that, God damn it.
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Anyway, we're talking about a box that looks like a deck of cards. Anyway, I digress.
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So there's that. All right. Should we, should we continue? We should.
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Okay. Let's continue. now we have nicholas
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gay with a speak pipe here we go no not unique hey got a super easy one that
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will not spark any kind of controversy and you guys can just bang out in just
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a few seconds who goes on the magic mount rushmore four slots most important people magic history,
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and go that's a good one four people who belong on the magic of mount rushmore
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okay I'm going to spit out Copperfield, Vernon.
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The Maestro.
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Guantamarius, and the last one. Tricky.
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I want to say like Robert Houdin.
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Oh, Robert Houdin. Yeah. Yeah.
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Okay. So I feel like there should be a coin guy there. Maybe like a David Roth,
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perhaps, you know, or Bobo. There, done.
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Bobo instead of Robert Houdin Alex Lamb says there should be Vernon Roth,
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Tamarez and Williamson that is a good call that's a great, imagine if you had
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the four of them teaching you magic as your upbringing, god damn,
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Bob Bossible thinks Doug should be up there, I'll second that yeah, 100% what do you think?
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That's tough man, so is it just like who you
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think are the four greatest or the four that you'd want to
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have around you or the four you'd like to have
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teaching you or i guess i guess mount rushmore has four i think of the founding
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to my knowledge later the founding fathers of previous presidents up there right
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it's carved in the side of a mountain so if we were going to build a magic rushmore
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in which we were going to carve the faces of the giants we walk on.
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Who would you like to have carved into the side of a mountain effectively is the question.
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I think we can't avoid. We've got to agree on Tamariz, right?
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Yeah. But we, I think, I think Houdini has to be in there, right?
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He's done so much for the world of magic in terms of everyone knows him still a hundred years later.
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Right. Okay. So let's go with Tamariz, Houdini. I think it would have to be
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like Houdini, Tamariz, Roberto, Dan.
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I don't know. I think Copperfield would outrank you Dan.
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I think Copperfield would outdo him, right?
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Yeah. But in terms of people who like Copperfield is a performer,
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but he's not like have books and material out there of, of like learning from,
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I don't know. This is a, this, you're right.
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This, this is a tricky topic. Okay.
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I'm going to, I'm going to settle on this. We're going to go with Houdini with Tamariz,
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Copperfield, Darren Brown.
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Alright that's pretty magical
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because you've got escape you've got card work
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you've got illusion and you've got mentalism and I think that if that were a
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lineup and if you had to say this is the greatest of the greatest that I think
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would be Caden would like to give an honorable mention to RC Wynn I agree with
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you Caden that's a very good point,
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but that's different because in the, in the legacy of like the world of magic,
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He's very niche and very important to me, but not like the general magic world.
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So that's where it becomes a bit tricky because if we're talking about the four
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pillars of people who have influenced us.
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All right. We've just had a comment come in from Scott P. Jason Ma has too much hair to carve.
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And that's why, is that why it's so easy to put Nick and I up there?
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Because i think it'd
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be really great curve there would be his face and
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then his hair kind of it would be like a like a water slide
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you know where everyone's down it but
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there is there's so many people who there's so many people who
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deserve to be up there let's be very clear about that yeah yeah
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there's so many people okay let's let's go okay
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now it's the four pillars of like if you
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could just have four teachers of magic and they
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like you're in their empire and
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it's the four people that are just every day
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going to be teaching you who are those four people living or dead it doesn't
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matter but it's a different question now just to be clear exactly okay yeah
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it's a different question i was talking about immortalizing people on the side
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of the planet i know it's a planet mountain what i'm so the question now is
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if you could have four people who would be let's say Let's go living.
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Let's change it a little bit. So let's go for living.
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Yeah. Okay. Four people living.
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Let's, okay. Let's say you're going to have your own TV show and a tour around
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Australia or the planet.
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You've got four guys who can be in your corner helping you. Who are you going to use?
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No, no. It's the pandemic again.
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Okay. And you have unlimited money and you've just paid these four people to
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live with you for a year to like...
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Inject you with superhuman serum like captain america of their not their magic
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who are those four people oh man okay so i think that like here here's where i feel like.
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Danny Garcia would be amazing. And Blake is so weird. Cause I was exactly thinking of him.
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Yeah. But I also think that like, like what would be amazing too?
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But then I think that like, you wouldn't have to hire him both because by extension,
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you would get one automatically. Like if you get Danny Garcia,
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then he's going to talk to Blake anyway, cause they're best mates.
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So I kind of feel like there are two for one special.
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If you just get one of them, that's my first thought.
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Yeah. I like where Scotty P is going. maybe one person
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per genre of magic like one card person
26:19
one coin person stage that's that's clever yeah
26:22
yeah yeah that's a clever we've got alex lamb coming in
26:25
with his suggestions williamson daryl pig
26:28
cake and michael amarr
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okay michael amarr's good one caden's going
26:35
blake void ozzy wind teller and doug
26:38
wow that see that is a
26:41
very that is a strong lineup that's a
26:44
strong lineup actually yeah we can't overlook teller
26:47
to have teller giving you his wisdom
26:50
on what you're doing for a year being pretty
26:54
insane also the same thing i have
26:56
with tamarit's like tamarit azi wind is to
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me a modern extension of
27:03
tamarise i agree with that i totally agree
27:05
with that so i think by choosing ozzy wind is you're
27:09
getting the greatness of tamarise that's sort
27:12
of been extrapolated and maybe modernized for
27:16
maybe the stuff i would perform so i would i would
27:19
almost say that like by extension danny
27:23
de ortiz would would also you know
27:25
would be as well although their styles are very different you know
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okay i've got it i've got i've got my four okay it's
27:34
got to be definitely teller i can't.
27:36
Overlook that now so teller arzy wind
27:40
danny garcia darren brown damn that's a good one darren brown yeah so i'm the.
27:48
Thing is i'm sort of torn as the mentalism realm so let's just let's just go
27:52
by category mentalism yeah i want darren brown but also a part of me is kind of like.
27:58
Do i want the people who work for darren brown do i
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want peter turner or do i want luke jermaine right
28:04
right right yeah so that's that's
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where i'm torn so i'm gonna go with peter
28:10
turner for the sake of moving conversation along if
28:14
we're gonna go for just straight up tv magic and jedi stuff gotta go for danny
28:19
i don't think there's anyone better right like he's got that brain that's just
28:24
yeah electric center and strong yep yeah i'm gonna throw out a really crazy one andrew main.
28:33
Okay yeah yeah i'm gonna
28:36
throw in andrew main one of the unsung heroes
28:39
and talking to him at magic
28:42
live yes oh that's also
28:45
a very good one you can only
28:48
pick four right michael so it's like all right
28:51
for the next year these guys are just gonna work on your
28:54
magic work on you you know you're going to soak up
28:56
their expertise yeah and
28:59
peter turner yeah so what i'm getting at is
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i want to go for i want to go for the
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people who've created the jedis i
29:08
want to go like yeah who was responsible for elevating darren brown i'm going
29:11
to go with peter turner and luke jimay so i'll go for peter turner okay you
29:15
want to look at like who was responsible for elevating dynamo i'm going to go
29:19
for danny garcia you know who was responsible for elevating derek dalgardio
29:23
Michael Webber. So I'm going to say Michael Webber.
29:27
Okay. I'm going to throw another name out there because of the creativity and
29:30
who I know you being creative. What about Tobias Dostal?
29:35
Damn, that's a good one. Because he could help you create some crazy, hang on.
29:39
He could help you create some crazy over a year.
29:45
Scotty Painter is saying our Mount Rushmore is turning into the Swiss Alps.
29:49
Yeah, this is all right. We got to stop this question. you that's it and it
29:54
remains we're not going to be at it we can't what have you done to us all right
29:58
this is what i love is that that question was asked to be like it's just a quick one,
30:04
yeah yeah you knew exactly what you were doing god damn it all right all right next one is from,
30:10
is from johnny o now i haven't listened to
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this so we're going to listen to this for the first
30:16
time okay cover your ears what have
30:19
you got for us today hi guys johnny
30:22
o here first time on the speak pipe i was just curious
30:25
as a magician when you guys do a ball
30:28
vanish or a paddle move or just any
30:30
move in general does the move feel obvious to you
30:33
as a magician it won't fool anybody
30:36
or anything like that i feel even if i record
30:39
myself or i do it in front of a mirror when i try to do a paddle move or a ball
30:44
vanish I feel like it's super obvious what I'm doing and I just can't tell if
30:47
it's because I'm a magician so I know what I'm looking for or if it's because
30:53
the move is actually really bad so I was just curious on your guys take on this thanks.
30:58
Okay, if I could speak first, if I may, when you say ball, I'm going to assume
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solid ball, and that it could also apply to sponge ball.
31:10
I had a jam session with some guys recently with some sponge balls.
31:14
I don't do sponge balls, but I just by chance found one at one of my residencies
31:19
that one of the magicians had left behind.
31:21
And so it was rolling around in my close-up kit. I grabbed it,
31:24
and he was like, can you help me do some vanishes?
31:26
And I'm like, I don't do sponge, but let me have a go. And I just used coin
31:29
techniques for those vanishes. And he was like, these are sick.
31:32
But the point is that the ball vanish, I do ball vanishes with golf balls, so solid balls.
31:40
And I actually have a really cool video where I do some color changes and vanishes
31:47
and so forth on my Instagram, which maybe we'll post at some point.
31:50
You can scope it out for yourself. But I think that one of the best bits of
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advice that was given in a lecture by Tom Stone was if you could really vanish
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something, just do it and like drop it.
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So, for example, if you had a card, you would just want to, if you want it to
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look like that, focus on those movements and then try to identify ways you can
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actually make it happen.
32:16
Because that's what I did with my ball vanishes and stuff. I was just using
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economy of movement as taught by the great Dye Vernon, ways that you can actually
32:24
just use your body's natural movements.
32:25
If you look at people like Vernon or Slidini, their mannerisms help you do the vanishes.
32:33
And you can use those ideas to just naturally get rid of stuff is my thought
32:39
process. What do you think?
32:40
Yeah. Yeah, I think that's pretty spot on. I think when you watch yourself,
32:47
I'm assuming it's when he's watching himself back that he's noticing it seeming
32:53
very obvious the moves he's doing.
32:55
Of course, because you know what you're doing, it is going to seem a lot more
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obvious than the public, but you should be able to watch that video like a week
33:07
later, not remembering what you did.
33:09
And it should kind of fool you. Like it should be a surprise.
33:13
Like, oh, I didn't realize that I was going to vanish that ball.
33:16
It shouldn't be, you know, so you could, and my dog agrees. Now you shouldn't just be so critical.
33:23
Like you shouldn't be so critical that, that, oh, I noticed that I was doing
33:26
that. But if, if you like record yourself.
33:30
And watch it a week later and then see for the first time watching it with fresh
33:34
eyes, if it is still super obvious or, or not.
33:40
But yeah, obviously because we know what's going on, we have a very different lens to a lay audience.
33:47
So don't think that, you know, this, you know, whatever, you know,
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dropping the cards a certain way is going to be obvious to a lay audience.
33:57
It's just you know we're a little yeah i mean
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yeah and if you wanted to look at some ball vanishes and
34:03
that sort of work look at bond uh
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there was a gentleman his name was bond he's got a triple dvd set
34:10
he does some really nice looking stuff that for
34:13
me leans on the kind of like obvious but it looks
34:15
like a move like if he's doing a vanish but it looks like a move that's the type of
34:18
thing outside of that i would say look at karl
34:21
clutier's sleeving dvds he's got
34:24
some really nice clever ball vanishes that I
34:27
think look relatively natural and to that point
34:30
I want to add a comment from our friend Alex Lamb who
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says hot take a natural looking but
34:35
obvious vanish will always look better than a super clean but unnatural vanish
34:40
every time that's a pretty good point anyone who's seen Tim Ellis's run around
34:46
sue routine you can look that up on YouTube he's got like really cool vanishes
34:51
with a squash ball or a racquetball or something i think it is.
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And that's achieved using a gimmick so that's another thing to kind of think about.
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You can scope out the methods on that you know through his website and so forth but.
35:05
Yeah it's it's it's good that you're being critical as well i kind of appreciate
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that because i'm the type of guy myself who wants to produce the magic that i would like to see,
35:15
So keep the mindset, keep the mindset and work on it because there will come a solution.
35:21
It might not be immediately, but look for inspirations. I hope that the suggestions
35:26
we gave will give you some sort of direction.
35:30
And you know a great place to vet if your video, if your sleight of hand is good, is our Discord.
35:37
We have a section called post and roast.
35:40
You can post your video and we will roast it in a friendly manner as to if there
35:47
are things that are noticeable or should be changed or if it is great.
35:51
It's a safe space where just the magician's eyes will see it. We will see it.
35:56
And that's another alternative for you. now
35:59
we have we have great listeners of
36:03
the podcast much of which become friends and scotty
36:06
p who's also in our chat has sent
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in three speak pipes oh wow okay so
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i'm not saying he's a better listener than the
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other listeners i'm just saying he sent in three so uh let's listen to the first
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one scotty p what's going on magic guys i like to use an out to lunch routine
36:28
that I've built into my business cards as a way of promoting myself as a magician and trying to get work.
36:34
If you guys were challenged to promote yourselves as magicians and try and get
36:40
gigs without the use of social media or websites, what creative ways would you do that?
36:46
Okay. The first one that comes to mind for me, if I may, is I used to do a thing
36:51
where whenever I finished a deck, I would kind of cannibalize a deck.
36:55
I actually thought about doing a whole lecture on this where when you when you're
36:58
done performing with a deck want to retire a deck what can you do with it in
37:02
order to repurpose it instead of just throwing it away there was a whole series
37:06
of playing cards that i used to use the fours the sixes,
37:11
anything that had like a decent space in the middle of it, right?
37:13
And I've got a whole thing written about this. And what I would do is this.
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I would get a stamp, and the stamp would have my details on it.
37:21
And then I would stamp the card, and then I would spray it with a matte finish
37:26
to seal the ink in because pigment inks can run on the canvas-type air cushion
37:34
paper that we use for playing cards, right?
37:37
I would then do an ambitious card routine where I would ask somebody to sign
37:42
a card or put their details down.
37:44
And, you know, they could sign the card. And when I finished my ambitious routine,
37:49
I would do a color change for the matching card.
37:53
So let's say if it was a four of clubs, I would force the four of clubs,
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have them sign the four of clubs.
37:57
And at the end of it, I would do a color change and then give them my details at the end of it.
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So that's one little magical way that you could hand out your business cards.
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And it's very inexpensive. you can look up custom
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stamps you type it in i think mine cost me
38:12
like 17 bucks or something and all i do is i line them up stamp let them dry
38:18
spray them so they seal because otherwise the ink can run and away you go so
38:22
that's a really fun way to be able to hand that out in the form of a magic routine
38:25
anyway josh crafty i like when michael lamar just came in lecture he,
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and it's i i believe you can learn it from his penguin live lecture too he has
38:36
a pretty fun way to do a haunted deck business card giveaway.
38:41
And basically he's built in, you know, he's got a little wallet for just his
38:46
business cards and it's built into it.
38:49
So he takes them out and then on his hand is just a stack of business cards.
38:53
And basically it separates and one from the middle comes out and that's the
38:57
one he gives away to them.
38:59
He resets it, puts it away and it's
39:02
a cute way of giving out your business card via a
39:05
magic effect it's sort of all self-contained and
39:09
and i won't give away the method but it's very easy to rig up and make and it
39:15
is very reliable it's in his penguin lecture but you know here and he has a
39:19
bunch of different ways that he gives out his business card he has like himba
39:23
wallets and stuff and all sorts of cool things.
39:26
But from my experience personally, by the time you get to that part where they're
39:33
asking for a business card, they're asking for it because they've just seen you blow their minds.
39:38
So sometimes it is just more efficient to be like, here you are, sir.
39:44
And I'd rather pull one out and hand it to them, you know, the right way up.
39:48
You always present it to them as if like, you know, it's a gift kind of thing,
39:51
like something important rather than, oh, you got my card. Okay.
39:55
Like as I'm leaving, oh, do you have a card? Oh, well, do I sit down and let
39:58
me entertain you with a, with a business card trick.
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I, these days it is kind of better to just give it to them, but.
40:06
If I'm, in saying all of that, throw that out the window, because if I'm in
40:11
the real world and I haven't shown the magic and they say, you're a magician, oh, great.
40:17
Now, whatever, whatever is getting married and maybe they need a magician,
40:20
then I would do a magic effect in it, which for me is the card now app.
40:27
So printing it out on your phone, that's kind of my quick go-to.
40:31
So I will just quickly cop a business card to the back of the phone,
40:35
open that app and go, well, let me print you a card right now.
40:38
And it prints on the phone, you hear it printing, and then you can pull it out of the phone.
40:42
For me, that's like the quick snappy thing because it, to them in your head,
40:48
you're doing something practical. Like, oh, I have to get you a business card and this is how you do it.
40:52
And then to them, they're like, how the hell do you just do that?
40:55
It's kind of like a Cabanera effect kind of moment.
40:58
And then other ways, I mean, when I'm done with a deck, so Nick has a very efficient
41:04
way to actually use all those cards.
41:06
For me, I do what's called the deck drop, which is I will write a little message
41:11
on the box of cards, which is now incomplete or a little message that it's from
41:16
me who's a magician and I will leave it somewhere in the venue,
41:21
like outside in the street or something so that if anyone starts following me from that event,
41:26
they'll go, oh, holy crap, that deck he was using he's left it somewhere
41:29
let me see if i can find it and it's very fun to get
41:31
messages from people showing that they found it
41:34
it's like a little easter egg for them that's a little marketing thing that's
41:38
not really marketing but it's just a you know a little something extra to do
41:43
yeah but yeah scotty's what he's really asking him is with no website or social
41:49
media how would you get gigs yeah i just go out performing all day and give out my business card.
41:55
After i'd done it this just brute force that is
41:58
what you'd have to do yeah scotty has a second question oh
42:01
yeah please i'll just take a moment that a lot of people regret not
42:04
asking for a card as well and and you hear still like for i i mean i get to
42:09
experience that through the residences they go like somebody called up because
42:12
they saw you and they forgot to get a card and they actually called the venue
42:15
being like can i get that guy's number and i was just like yeah you know so
42:18
so if It's always good to,
42:22
for me, I like to routine things in such a way that I can hand out cards in
42:26
amongst that exchange, you know?
42:28
So, or even just, or, you know, in the most basic way.
42:32
When you're performing, it's been an absolute pleasure meeting you all.
42:35
If it can never be a service, this is my card. Have a wonderful night. Walk away.
42:39
Yeah. I go. Leave it on the table.
42:42
Yeah. Perfect. I say, hey, thank you. It's been wonderful.
42:47
Let me leave my card for you in case you're trying to wonder who's this guy
42:50
that's not letting me sleep tonight when you're trying to figure out how I did
42:53
it or whatever. That's a good one.
42:54
That's a little tidbit too. I think my exact lines are, let me give you my card
42:59
so you know who to call when you can't sleep tonight.
43:02
Is, is what I say. And then, uh, the other thing, yeah, I can't sleep.
43:08
How about, how about you come around and for a, for a fee.
43:15
Um, the other thing too, you guys should do is on social media is,
43:21
uh, after a big event, like a gala ball or, or some big conference or whatnot
43:27
is like a day or two later,
43:29
search the hashtag they've been using and then like and comment on people's
43:33
photos that were at the event because then they'll go, oh, that's the magician that was there.
43:38
You can gain a lot of traction that way as well.
43:41
So that's that. Scotty has a second question. Let's see. I think we might be
43:45
able to get to his three questions.
43:47
So question number two. Yeah.
43:51
Here we go. What's going on, Magic Guys? It's Scotty P here.
43:54
I have a playing card reveal that I've created as a barcode that is scalable in size.
44:01
Now, I know how I want to use this barcode moving forward, but I'm interested
44:06
to know how you would use a barcode to reveal something in a magic trick.
44:11
Scotty, you're in the chat, so I just wanted some clarification.
44:15
The barcode to reveal something, are you saying they are, what are they doing?
44:19
Are they scanning it like a QR code or is it something built into the numbers
44:24
of the barcode that you're revealing?
44:27
Like the numbers written down, turned upside down and reveal a word or the date? What is it?
44:33
Just while you're answering that, I have done
44:36
revelations before where we were
44:40
doing magic exports and somebody handed in that bag of candy i don't
44:42
remember exactly what it was i think it was m&m's we had to do a routine with it so
44:45
we did a like torn corner thing appearing
44:48
inside the inside the bag and then
44:51
on top of that we did a thing where we had
44:54
the spectator like throw cards into the air and then we snatched the
44:57
whole bunch out that's and and then we
45:00
said like uh and and then those cards were the same
45:03
numbers on the barcode as
45:06
well so there's a few ways you can sort of go about to make it full circle
45:09
but that's the ones where i've done it where it's just genuinely the numbers
45:13
in the barcode excellent yeah that's great
45:16
okay so we got an update so scotty says purely just
45:19
a scannable barcode there's no numbers under
45:22
it and i have it on the bottom of the card box all right so my initial thoughts
45:28
is to what nick's saying i did used to do an effect where i i would actually
45:34
have our australian dollar notes gimmicked not gimmicked but change the serial numbers which.
45:41
Wasn't done with real money if the government's listening
45:44
but then i would have like seemingly the audience
45:47
give me a note and then later on like the
45:50
cards that i have left match their serial
45:53
number but right if if he's just saying if
45:56
you can just have a qr code boom to reveal something i
46:00
mean a video seems like the coolest way like
46:03
a cool way maybe it's on your website maybe it goes to an unlisted
46:06
page on your website and it's you
46:09
either before the event because you
46:12
can just record a new video and embed it there maybe
46:15
it's something like that like yeah boom
46:18
oh hey it's josh i'm just about to walk into the sunny
46:21
day gala event and i just had a feeling that
46:24
someone's gonna pick this card or someone's gonna
46:27
choose this picture or whatever
46:30
and that's what i would do to personalize it
46:34
and make it a scannable thing because then your website is
46:36
left on their phone like if they just close their web browser that's
46:40
the last thing that will show up what are your thoughts nick well i i had a
46:44
thought where you've ever seen those things it looks like a barcode but you've
46:47
got to like tilt the thing and then all of a sudden it says a message like send
46:52
me like dirty dog that's a great idea something like that could be interesting
46:56
i don't know if you would be able
46:58
to do it to the scale of a small barcode that exists on the bottom of a, of a,
47:03
you know, pack of cards, but just another thought where just like maybe through
47:07
perspective, you can have a look at the barcode and it does a thing.
47:11
If it was big enough, yeah, like tilt it and squint your eyes and it's actually
47:15
a word. Yeah, that type of ooh.
47:18
That's pretty cool too. Hmm.
47:21
I like it. All right, we got one more. I'm going to think on that.
47:24
We got one more speak fight from Scotty.
47:26
This is great. You guys are great, by the way. You know, keep these coming in
47:30
because although in the next couple of weeks we actually have guests lined up,
47:34
which we're very excited to.
47:37
We won't mention them now, but we have some very fun guests coming up.
47:42
But still, you know, send in the speed pipes. All right. So Scotty, number three.
47:48
Hey, Magic guys. Scotty P here
47:49
again. What's the most challenging location you've ever had to work in?
47:53
And in hindsight, what would you do to prepare for it better? Go.
47:58
I know. I love how he just knows us. He's like, all right, go.
48:04
The most challenging location. Yeah, you've got to have some doozies. Yeah.
48:12
It's not so much like the location is, I guess, okay, we talk about location,
48:16
but I think environment is kind of what I'm going to answer to.
48:20
Sometimes environments in which you're trying to perform, but it's like,
48:24
you're going to stand here in front of like the buffet. And it's like, what?
48:28
Everyone's like hungry, waiting
48:29
to eat. And it's like, this dickhead magicians is in the way of my food.
48:32
I know that a lot of kids performers have experienced those sorts of difficulties
48:36
where they, you know, it's like, They just see candies and cakes and you've
48:41
got to stand in front of that table and the kids are just like chomping at the bit to get to it.
48:44
I think those moments are difficult as far as locations go.
48:52
Boats, you know, oh, windy, windy locations are tough.
48:56
I was performing in a venue on the weekend and it was quite warm here in town.
49:04
And as a result they put all of these fans up
49:07
these very large scale they're like the fourth
49:10
like a few feet in diameter and they're blowing
49:13
wind like all buggery so those moments where like if you
49:16
were a dedicated card magician you would almost not be
49:19
able to perform anything like without
49:23
cards flying off you would have to have the firmest grip on that which
49:26
is why i would i would
49:28
combat that by doing coin stuff thankfully i love coin stuff and i
49:31
love sleight of hand which can be done in those
49:34
sort of moments do you also think that like in the cold and the wind things
49:38
are tough but you can actually do coin magic with cold hands pretty comfortably
49:41
have you noticed that josh oh it's perfect you actually want cold hands if anything
49:45
right like especially for hand washes and you know just for it to slide and
49:49
do its thing coin stuff is great in the cold.
49:53
Yeah. So I've got two. Yeah. So as people are asking, like, yeah.
49:58
And Nick's mentioning boats are bad.
50:00
People think it's a good idea to have a magician on a yacht or whatever.
50:03
And it is fun, but God damn, is it difficult because it is windy.
50:08
You're super worried about dropping stuff because it would just fricking slide and go overboard.
50:14
And like people are rocking while they're like watching you.
50:17
So their attention span is kind of gone.
50:19
It's, it's kind of weird, but I have one to top it, which there's one scenario. and wind.
50:24
Yeah. Anytime there's wind, you know, I was just in the outback in this place
50:27
called Macondra and meant to do a stage show and it's on fricking dirt and it's
50:31
windy and they didn't have proper lights for me. That was weird, but okay.
50:35
But, but the, probably the weirdest time and probably just shouldn't have happened
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was I was hired for a 21st and it was on a party bus driving from Brisbane to the Gold Coast.
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So think of a normal bus.
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It's just that they've decked out the inside to have lights and led and stuff,
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but it's still a frigging bus with, you know, seats layered and they hired me
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to, while it's driving on the highway, entertain everyone.
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And that's weird because yeah, just go figure. Everyone's just in frigging rows.
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So you just walking up to the row, trying to balance. You're also going a hundred kilometers an hour.
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So it's also kind of a hazard, but you don't, you ignore that and you're doing
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magic and yeah, that's weird.
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I one time did it on a train okay it
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was like it was like one of those old timey trains like a
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steam train that you know went a fair
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while out of town and we went to like an old pub and then like
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went back into the city or like you know it's kind of one of those cool experiences and
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they said we want a card maverick so i got to dress up
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like a card maverick much like mel gibson in in the
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movie maverick and i just got to do card stuff which is
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which is really great i've actually been really focused on trying
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to produce some really cool card stuff recently and when
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i say recently like over the past four months i've been heavily working on it so
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yeah like locations interesting i
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think for me heat is one of the worst things as well
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when you're performing in a location like you like you
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were in singapore like i was in malaysia you can
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be in these environments where you're just sweating so full
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on and you there's a note there's a part of you that becomes
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self conscious because of that hot environment of
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course we all know that regular listeners know that
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we try to combat that with our non-sponsor the arctic cooling vest but which
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we mention all too often but oh yeah that you know there's certain ways to combat
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that so i guess if we just to synopsize everything we spoke about locations
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slash environments windy environments,
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Use coins. That's how you combat that.
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You know, tight, close environments. How would you combat that,
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Josh? Like when you're on the bus.
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It's what did i do i just i mean i still did i think i i still did magic but
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just yeah i had to go to sort of micro magic like rubber bands you know they're
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not going to fly everywhere.
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Interact with without trying to then reach over and pick a card or whatever
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i think i was doing like liquid metal like with forks because that's just a
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bit more of they can watch it happen yeah.
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I just stuck to like micro magic kind of moments that that's
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yeah yeah yes sharpie sharpie
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stuff yeah yeah cold environments coins are great
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because they just work better in your hands coins
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the get out of jail free card of magic yeah
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exactly hot environments man like what
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you just you're screwed there's not a lot of way out of it i mean combat that
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by maybe keeping a small towel like a like i keep yeah yeah every now and again
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they're just a just a simple face wash and i might keep one of those in my back
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pocket if it's going to be and i'll just give it a quick one of those and you
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know in between in between sets from table to table or something like that,
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or on stage yeah if if if if i'm doing a christmas party during the daytime
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which which there's a lot of them right now i just will only wear a white waistcoat
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and shirt and no pants no i will wear pants,
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but I won't wear a jacket, even though I don't feel as professional in some weird way.
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Like, you know, my, my wearing a jacket, wearing a suit jacket is kind of like a Superman cape.
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You feel like authoritative. So even though you kind of lose that,
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it is just going to help your magic be so much better if there's going to be heat.
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So I will roll my sleeves up. I'll wear a vest with no, I won't really battling proper heat.
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And if you have an Arctic cooling vest, And obviously that's going to save you,
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but control your breathing, you know, just try and relax. Yeah.
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Have a, have a bunch of napkins in your back pocket or a towel like Nick has.
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And like, that's your best bet.
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I also, cause why don't you're sweating?
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Yeah, everyone where I work regularly knows that I have a particular glass,
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which is like an old-fashioned glass, so it looks like a real drink.
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It's full to the brim with ice and soda water. That is it. That is it.
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And I just sip on that. And if anybody tries to buy me a drink, I'm like, no, I'm good.
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So that works really well for me. we should also take a moment to identify dark
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locations where the lighting is not awesome.
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Which is great because you can do thread but sometimes
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it's really dark you know what i mean just because they want to have ambience or
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you know dumb performances where it's
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like oh they got the dj's now now coming in the
55:36
middle of your set and if you're roving set and it's like great now it's
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130 decibels of of noise
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and you got to try and combat that so the way i've combat that
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is effectively lean heavily into sort of
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the clowning that i would do and just perform the exact same stuff but just
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deliver it in a different way and that's the way i would combat combat dark
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and loud environments and then
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there's underwater so if you cannot perform underwater okay you also need,
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not i mean a snorkel's fine but you
56:12
will make things appear from that pipe which doesn't always
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go well i suggest getting a scuba tank
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and yeah getting the one that actually like
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not in your mouth but the mask and goes right around
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it it's a lot easier to function that way don't forget
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to repressurize your goggles when you get down to i do remember thinking if
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i was to do a pool party what magic would i do and i remember i i bought it
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too i have bicycle brought out like a clear deck where it is plastic.
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So it has actual values on it.
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But it is plastic and it's see-through, but you can't see what the value is from the other side.
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And it's basically waterproof. So I remember thinking, yeah,
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if I had to do a pool party or if I was to do a video where I'm doing magic
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in a pool or something, because it's kind of fun.
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If the pool is flat enough, you can sit these cards on the top of the water
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and they'll technically just chill there.
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So there's kind of things you can play with. and
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then coin magic is still going to work in a pool like
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some magic because it's a coin it's not going to get
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damaged and then obviously rubber bands and
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you got mentalism you can you can actually do
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quite a bit of magic in water so you know
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could be a niche could be a niche market something to
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think about hmm that's interesting like
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yeah yeah i haven't had to do any pool parties thankfully although
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i have done magic by a pool that's that ain't much but yeah what about a volcano
57:46
how would you do that like well you know be cool you know that routine was a
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dynamo that did it where it's like you choose a card and then you spring the
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cards over the swimming pool and the only one faced up is their selection using
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you know double backers and so forth,
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the good thing about a volcano the good thing about a volcano is that you don't
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need a lighter to ignite your flash paper that's handy that's really handy yeah
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that's gonna be great um where SPF 1000 Sunbluff.
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And yeah, that will be a little distracting. Oh yeah, Alex is saying linking water wings.
58:27
I think he means linking rings. Yeah, linking rings will work in a pool as well.
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No, the water wings is what you put around your arms when you're a kid so you
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don't drown in the water.
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But if you can link those, that would be great.
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Yeah. That's funny. Okay, I like it. Hey, look, you know what? This is crazy.
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Your speak pipes have taken up this whole episode, which is beautiful.
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So look, this has been very thought-provoking. and
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i look forward to i'm still gonna think
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more on scotty p's barcode reveal
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and maybe we take this to the discord if you guys
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have other ideas put them in the discord as
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well but look i think that wraps up our episode pretty nicely nick
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anything else you want to add for today not a
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whole bunch thank you guys for listening and thanks for the kind words
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we really appreciate your support we love that we are a community and we love
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that like you know as far as i know we're the only cats that do it like this
59:18
we do it live we do it where we get to hang out as a group and we want to create
59:22
this community where you guys have your questions and share your thoughts so
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please go to the discord if you haven't also scope out you know joshnebito.com and myself.
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Nickkmagic.com and don't forget to look at our website so you
59:33
can see what t-shirts and awesome things we have there make a great christmas
59:36
present leading into the holiday season but as
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far as that goes thank you all for listening we'll give
59:42
you a little teaser next week we have a magician we
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won't say the name yet but he has directly influenced
59:48
both nick and i nick even more
59:52
so his style of performing directly from
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this person and i also regularly use the same material that i learned from this
1:00:01
guy so we have someone that really has a lot to do with our repertoire but we'll
1:00:06
announce that we'll keep it you know you might tell some of you it's gonna be
1:00:10
a party it's gonna be a party next week 100 it's my birthday next week so you have to be there.
1:00:16
So yeah thanks for listening it's time for us to disappear now,
1:00:24
but we'll see you again on the next episode of the magic guys.