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Credlin | 16 June · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krendland Live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Broak tav your company. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: on Kredlin the CD. The situation in the Middle East
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Speaker 2: continues to escalate, military responses from both Iran and Israel.
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Speaker 2: Across Live to Tel Aviv for the mood on the ground,
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Speaker 2: and I'll also speak to an Australia and stranded in
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Speaker 2: Jordan but lucky enough to get out of Tel Aviv
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Speaker 2: during the bombing outbreak last week. He didn't have a meeting,
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Speaker 2: but today it's official and you face to face confirmation
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Speaker 2: between the Prime Minister and Donald Trump.
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Speaker 3: It'll happen in Canada this week.
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Speaker 2: Now Bloke might not I hope it's all about the
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Speaker 2: tariff issue, but he might not want to hear what's
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Speaker 2: coming from the President on defense. Plus a battle within
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Speaker 2: the coalition heating out. The New South Wales Nationals the
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Speaker 2: latest to vote down Net zero meeting. The Federal Coalition
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Speaker 2: won't be able to sit on the fence for much longer,
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Speaker 2: regardless of a Susan Lee review or not. And the
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Speaker 2: weekend's precision strive by is Israel. It hit at the
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Speaker 2: heart of Iran's nuclear weapon infrastructure, and we in the
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Speaker 2: West should thank Israel for doing what it did and
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Speaker 2: removing some of Iran's most formidable personnel. But that's not
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Speaker 2: the position of labor who have shown themselves yet again
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Speaker 2: to be on the wrong side of this whole issue.
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Speaker 4: We urge the escalation, we urge restraint, we urge dialogue
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Speaker 4: and diplomacy.
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Speaker 2: We'll start with that issue here because while the Iran
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Speaker 2: Israel conflict is generating all the weekend drama and to
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Speaker 2: get into today, what's most important for Australia almost certainly
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Speaker 2: or with this face to face meeting now confirmed for
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Speaker 2: this week between our Prime Minister and the United States President.
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Speaker 2: Now it's not over dramatizing things to say, it's not
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Speaker 2: just the Orchis nuclear deal, which will be potentially at stake,
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Speaker 2: but the entire US security partnership, our ANDUS foundation that's
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Speaker 2: at the heart of our defense and foreign policy and
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Speaker 2: has been for seven decades. Today, Anthony Albanezy insisted that
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Speaker 2: it would be a good discussion because he says Australia
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Speaker 2: was pulling its weight on defense to that.
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Speaker 5: There's all of the support that we give to the
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Speaker 5: United States and with our defensial relationships, including fuel reserves
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Speaker 5: in the Northern territory, including the presence of US forces
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Speaker 5: in Darwin as well.
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Speaker 2: Look, it's true our defense spending will glasily move up
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Speaker 2: to two point three percent of GDP in a decade's time,
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Speaker 2: that we do host US BASS at Pine Gap and elsewhere,
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Speaker 2: and one thousand marines in Darwin.
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Speaker 3: But that's spending.
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Speaker 2: The two point three is way way, way too low.
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Speaker 2: And those facilities at Pine Gap and elsewhere, well, they're
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Speaker 2: not new to the relationship. Now, Okay, it's possible we
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Speaker 2: could become a bit supplier of strategic minerals and rare
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Speaker 2: earth to the US, as you heard the Prime Minister say,
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Speaker 2: but that is unlikely because it's not just about mining them,
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Speaker 2: it's also the need to process them here.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: Currently most of that's done in China because their environmental standards.
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Speaker 3: Are much more lacks than ours.
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Speaker 2: Besides, it's not what we think of ourselves, but what
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Speaker 2: the Trump administration thinks of us that counts, and so
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Speaker 2: far it seems they don't think much. It was only
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Speaker 2: a couple of weeks back that the US Defan Secretary
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Speaker 2: Pete Hexas publicly told us that we must lift our
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Speaker 2: defense spending to some three point five percent of GDP.
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Speaker 6: Needle members are pledging to spend five percent of their
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Speaker 6: GDP on defense, even Germany. So it doesn't make sense
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Speaker 6: for countries in Europe to do that while key allies
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Speaker 6: in Asia spend less on defense in the face of
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Speaker 6: an even more formidable threat.
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Speaker 2: Now, whatever soothing words might might might emerge from the
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Speaker 2: encounter between Trump and Albanez he expected on Wednesday morning
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Speaker 2: our time, it's hard to imagine the President not reiterating
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Speaker 2: the three five percent demand with his typical emphasis. And
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Speaker 2: let's face it, Donald Trump is nothing if not blunt,
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Speaker 2: and his one consistent message as a first term president
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Speaker 2: and again now in this term, has been that allies
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Speaker 2: must do more if they expect alliances to last.
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Speaker 7: You're in no position to dictate that. Remember, you're in
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Speaker 7: no position to dictate what we're going to feel right.
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Speaker 8: Now, you don't explain.
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Speaker 9: You're gambling with millions of people.
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Speaker 1: Have you said thank you once?
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Speaker 7: A lot of times you said.
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Speaker 10: But we have thousands of people that want to come
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Speaker 10: into our country, and there are white farmers and they feel.
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Speaker 3: That they're going to die.
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Speaker 2: It's South Africa. Then there's the whole issue of Taiwan. Now,
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Speaker 2: no one really knows whether the US would defend Taiwan
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Speaker 2: against communist China, either blockading the nation or attempting to invade,
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Speaker 2: but if it did, it would expect, perhaps demand, even
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Speaker 2: Australian help. After all, the Answers treaty, and I mentioned
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Speaker 2: it before, it's the bedrock of our national security. It
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Speaker 2: states that in the event of an attack quote an
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Speaker 2: armed attack on any of the parties would then act
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Speaker 2: together to meet the common danger. Now it's pretty close
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Speaker 2: to NATO's Article five, and it's about a stronger wording
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Speaker 2: you'll find in any treaty of mutual assistance. When pressed
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Speaker 2: on this very point today, Anthony Albanezi was his usual
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Speaker 2: evasive self, always careful never to mention China.
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Speaker 7: Donald Trump and America be confident that Australia would stand
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Speaker 7: shoulder to shoulder with them in the event of a
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Speaker 7: major conflict in the Indo Pacific and in the event
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Speaker 7: that China invades Taiwan or whatever means that happens.
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Speaker 5: Well, the role of Orcus and the role of nation
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Speaker 5: states in our region, including our partners, is full peace
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Speaker 5: and security in the region. That's what we want, and
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Speaker 5: Australia's a trusted partner to promote peace and security in
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Speaker 5: our region.
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Speaker 2: Someone's going to tell them to update his briefing notes,
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Speaker 2: because I'll tell you what ANSAs is not ORCUS, and
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Speaker 2: it's precisely this whole absence of assurance of military solidarity
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Speaker 2: against Beijing that's likely prompted the United States to order
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Speaker 2: a review of whether ORCUS is consistent with Trump's America
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Speaker 2: First agenda. Given that America can't build enough submarines for itself,
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Speaker 2: why would it give us three without the confidence that
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Speaker 2: they'd be used to help America if required under the
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Speaker 2: Answers treaty. His supporters will say the PM's matured and
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Speaker 2: mellowed from his undergraduate lefty days, but there's still plenty
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Speaker 2: of others in his caucus who would prefer to be
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Speaker 2: an economic colony of China than a military ally of
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Speaker 2: the United States. Does anyone think the Prime Minister would
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Speaker 2: agree to lift military spending to three percent of GDP
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Speaker 2: and beyond when this was the precise proposal that he
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Speaker 2: ridiculed during the election campaign when it came from the opposition.
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Speaker 10: We're going to increase our defense spend to two point
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Speaker 10: five percent of GDP within five years and out to
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Speaker 10: ten years it'll be at three percent.
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Speaker 5: Find it extraordinary that you try to get a headline
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Speaker 5: with a big number and then there's nothing of what
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Speaker 5: the big number should be invested in.
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Speaker 2: Does anyone think the PM would give even private assurances
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Speaker 2: about Taiwan when the whole tenor of his Prime ministership
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Speaker 2: so far has been about avoiding up sett in Beijing,
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Speaker 2: almost to the point of appeasement. Here he was when
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Speaker 2: the Chinese Navy conducted unannounced live fire exercises off the
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Speaker 2: New South Wales coast.
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Speaker 5: China issued, in accordance with practice, an alert that it
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Speaker 5: would be conducting these activities, including the potential use of
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Speaker 5: live fire. It's outside of Australia's Exclusive Economic zone.
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Speaker 2: Here was too, when the Chinese Navy deliberately injured Australian
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Speaker 2: naval divers.
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Speaker 5: And this is a sort of incident that I've spoken
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Speaker 5: about when I addressed the Shangri La dialogue in June
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Speaker 5: of why we need communication guardrails and we need to
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Speaker 5: avoid a reckless event such as this.
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Speaker 2: Now, I know China is our biggest trade partner, but
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Speaker 2: what is more important in these challenging times, selling a
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Speaker 2: few more lobsters and few boxes of grange to Beijing
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Speaker 2: or maintaining Australia's freedom and independence. Sooner or later, we
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Speaker 2: actually might have to choose between our main trade partner
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Speaker 2: and our main security partner, most likely because Beijing will
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Speaker 2: force us to Now. Even when that time comes, we
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Speaker 2: won't be choosing America over China, but democracy over dictatorship.
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Speaker 3: In the meantime, thes.
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Speaker 2: Way to avoid the dreadful prospect of war over Taiwan
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Speaker 2: is to persuade Beijing that it's a war they might
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Speaker 2: not win. That's peace through strength, not peace through appeasement.
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Speaker 2: That means standing shoulder to shoulder with the US president,
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Speaker 2: even under this president who doesn't think we're doing enough,
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Speaker 2: and even under this Prime minister who wants us to
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Speaker 2: do even less. Lots of stories around local and overseas
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Speaker 2: will go there now for the headline Sky News political
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Speaker 2: reporter Camridden.
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Speaker 11: Good Evening, Australia is joining mounting global calls on Israel
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Speaker 11: and Iran to return to diplomacy and scale back their
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Speaker 11: military action.
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Speaker 4: Obviously, this is a very distressing time for so many people.
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Speaker 5: We, along with other like minded countries, do want to
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Speaker 5: see that priority on dialogue and diplomacy.
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Speaker 11: Having arrived at the G seven in Canada, the Prime
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Speaker 11: Minister is preparing for his first face to face meeting
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Speaker 11: with President Trump.
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Speaker 5: We've got a few things to talk about. We see
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Speaker 5: tariffs sas acts of economic self harm on orcus. It
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Speaker 5: is very much in the interests of all three countries.
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Speaker 11: The pair will meet on Wednesday morning, Australia time, and
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Speaker 11: as the global security outlook deteriorates, Anthony Alberanezi is signaling
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Speaker 11: he's open to stronger defense ties with the European Union
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Speaker 11: after it raised the prospers with Australia last month. The
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Speaker 11: former head of the Finance Department has formally commenced her
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Speaker 11: role as the new Secretary of Treasury.
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Speaker 10: Welcome, Jenny, Congratulations on your appointment.
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Speaker 11: Jenny Wilkinson takes over from doctor Stephen Kennedy, who's been
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Speaker 11: poached to head up the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet.
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Speaker 3: We're pretty well placed to support you and I'll do
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Speaker 3: my level best.
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Speaker 11: Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 8: Right.
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Speaker 2: Jonnyman now, as he does every Monday. Sky News political
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Speaker 2: contributor Chris human Well Chris We're going to have to
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Speaker 2: start with the Middle East. We'll get into the domestic
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Speaker 2: components of it in a moment.
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Speaker 3: But look, give me.
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Speaker 2: Your reaction to those Israeli strikes on Friday. Sure, in
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Speaker 2: a perfect world, no one wants any escalation in this
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Speaker 2: part of the world. But it's not a perfect world.
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Speaker 2: Israel I regard as having a sovereign right to defend itself.
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Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what is someone in the West.
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Speaker 2: I am very glad to see it runs nuclear capability degraded.
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Speaker 2: Give us your sense of things.
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Speaker 9: Well, Peter, Israel had no other choice than to do
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Speaker 9: what it did. The International Atomic Energy Agencies said in
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Speaker 9: April that Iran was weeks away enriching enough uranium to
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Speaker 9: have multiple bombs. Now, don't forget that Iran is dedicated
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Speaker 9: to the destruction of Israel. It's done that or tried
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Speaker 9: to do that for the last forty years through its proxies.
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Speaker 9: And there's every reason why Israel had a right to fear.
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Speaker 9: What would happen if Iran got those weapons. And don't
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Speaker 9: forget the distance in terms of ballistic missile is short.
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Speaker 9: Israel would have ten minutes warning that a ballistic missile
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Speaker 9: with a nuclear warhead was on the way. Now, I
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Speaker 9: ask you what the people of Canberra, for example, might
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Speaker 9: think if there was a different state in the Northern
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Speaker 9: Territory and the distance between here and Alice Springs is
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Speaker 9: what we're talking about, that was dedicated to the destruction
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Speaker 9: of this side of the country. What do you think
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Speaker 9: that the people of canberraa would want their government to do.
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Speaker 9: Israel was perfectly within its rights to do this. The
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Speaker 9: only thing I hope is that it can quickly degrade
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Speaker 9: this enough so that the fighting can stop, but it
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Speaker 9: should keep going until it is absolutely certain that the
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Speaker 9: threat has been eliminated.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So how can we get that sort of international
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Speaker 2: legal perspective and moral clarity from you that we don't
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Speaker 2: get from the Australian government Because all we have heard
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Speaker 2: from the government the Petty Wong in particular Foreign Minister,
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Speaker 2: is basically to call for restraint, which is, you know,
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Speaker 2: Israel fight with one arm behind your back. There's been
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Speaker 2: no real mention of how the West should thank God
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Speaker 2: for Israel and what they are able to do over
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Speaker 2: the last three or four days. That has been missing
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Speaker 2: from our government's rehtric.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 9: The Israeli ambassadors some this one up, and that is
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Speaker 9: words do not stop warheads. Do you genuinely believe that
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Speaker 9: the state of Iran under the eyetolers was any ever
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Speaker 9: going to have a kind of regime where it would
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Speaker 9: allow you to have enough inspections to have the confidence
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Speaker 9: that you could continue to live with that state and
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Speaker 9: that it would not develop those weapons. And by the way,
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Speaker 9: I've certainly been told, and I'm sure that you have too,
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Speaker 9: that given that Iran is helping out Russia when it
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Speaker 9: comes to drones, that Russia is now helping out Iran
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Speaker 9: when it comes to enriching nuclear enriching Uranian for weapons.
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Speaker 9: They only want those weapons for one thing, and that
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Speaker 9: is the destruction of the state of Israel. Now, they
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Speaker 9: might not use them, Peter, but would you take that chance?
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Speaker 9: So there are many reasons why I disagree on some
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Speaker 9: things with the government of benjaminet Yahu. I do wish
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Speaker 9: that they would find a way to bring to an
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Speaker 9: end the war in Gaza. I do not agree with
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Speaker 9: everything that that government does, but on this one I
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Speaker 9: find them hard to fault.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got I share some reservations too about the governments.
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Speaker 3: Some of the things they are doing.
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Speaker 2: But I mean, you only need to have been across
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Speaker 2: this issue for the last ten or fifteen years and
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Speaker 2: know we absolutely are on a precipice with Iran. And
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Speaker 2: the nature of that strike I'll get into it at
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Speaker 2: a moment with Peter and Jennings, but the precision in
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Speaker 2: that strike I think is all inspiring.
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Speaker 9: I look, one of the things that we've learned, and
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Speaker 9: I think one of the things that the enemies of
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Speaker 9: Israel have learned is that their intelligence capabilities, which failed
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Speaker 9: so miserably obviously when Hamas attacked Israel or years ago
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Speaker 9: now there was a huge intelligence failure. Since then, they
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Speaker 9: have shown what they can do with intelligence. And wouldn't
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Speaker 9: you right now be looking over your shoulder if you
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Speaker 9: were in Iran, if you were in Lebanon, if you
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Speaker 9: were in Gaza, at the capacity of the Israeli intelligence
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Speaker 9: agencies to know exactly where you are at a certain
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Speaker 9: point in time so that they can surgically take you out.
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Speaker 9: You know, that must lead the people in those governments
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Speaker 9: to be looking over their shoulders and wondering where the
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Speaker 9: rat in the ranks is.
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you.
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Speaker 2: I'll get into some other more domestic issues in a moment.
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Speaker 2: But you'd want to be a fly on the wall,
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Speaker 2: wouldn't you when Donald Trump sits down with Anthony Albanesi,
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Speaker 2: because it won't just be rare earths and US beef
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Speaker 2: coming into Australia. I mean, defense is going to be
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Speaker 2: absolutely front and center, isn't it?
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Speaker 9: Oh, it absolutely is. Peter, and the US Defense Secretary
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Speaker 9: made it clear that he thought that we were underdone
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Speaker 9: in a meeting that he had with Richard Marles, our
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Speaker 9: Defense Minister. In fact, there was a defense conference on
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Speaker 9: here held by the Australian Today and the best advice
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Speaker 9: that I saw on what Anthony ALBERIZI should do in
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Speaker 9: this meeting is to disarm Donald Trump. And that is
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Speaker 9: to go in and say, look, mister President, everybody who
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Speaker 9: comes into your presence wants something. I'm here to tell
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Speaker 9: you that the Australian government is spending money on defense,
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Speaker 9: is wanting to get Virginia Cask Submarines can do maintenance
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Speaker 9: for you, tell me how I can help you.
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Speaker 12: That might not be a bad.
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Speaker 9: Way to start that meeting, and he said it would
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Speaker 9: certainly disarm someone like Donald Trump. Now I don't know
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Speaker 9: if that's the advice that is getting from the current
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Speaker 9: ambassador to the United States, which is Kevin Rudd. But
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Speaker 9: me is a pretty good opening gambit.
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Speaker 2: You know, that's interesting you say that, because when Tony
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Speaker 2: Abott had his meeting with Obama in the Oval Office,
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Speaker 2: he did precisely that how can we be useful? And
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Speaker 2: President obamacaond at the time, geez, I don't get many
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Speaker 2: people coming in here who say, how can we be useful?
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Speaker 2: How can we assist you? Usually everyone comes with a
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Speaker 2: begging volve for the United States. And it disarmed him too.
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Speaker 2: And he, as you know, was a big fan of
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Speaker 2: Julia Gillard, not a great fan to start off with
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Speaker 2: of Tony Abbott's, but at won him over.
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Speaker 3: So maybe that's where they should start. We'll see.
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Speaker 2: RBA there was a review in twenty twenty three and
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Speaker 2: a recommendation of the review was that how the RBA
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Speaker 2: board votes on the issue of interest rates should be
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Speaker 2: made public. Now, the current governor, Michelle Bullet, doesn't like this.
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Speaker 2: I have to say, I think it's fraught with issues.
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Speaker 2: I think the ability of the RBA to have these
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Speaker 2: frank and robust conversations behind closed door doors and make
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Speaker 2: a decision on whether to stay the rates increase, drop,
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Speaker 2: whatever the cash rate. I don't think that should be
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Speaker 2: in the public domain. I think it'll play out badly
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Speaker 2: politically as well.
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Speaker 3: What do you think.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, we're probably on a different page on this when
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Speaker 9: I'm a maximum disclosure kind of guy, because I've spent
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Speaker 9: my entire working life for real, well since I was
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Speaker 9: twenty nine, in the media. So I like to see
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Speaker 9: as much transparency as possible. Other reserve banks around the
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Speaker 9: world do seem to be able to do it. I
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Speaker 9: will say though, in the political climate in Australia there
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Speaker 9: is a lot of heat that is applied politically to
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Speaker 9: the people on the Reserve Bank board. We've seen that recently.
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Speaker 9: We've seen that in fact, we saw in the past
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Speaker 9: with Peter Costello. So it's both sides of politics do
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Speaker 9: tend to do this, and I would be a bit
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Speaker 9: worried if I as a Reserve Bank board member that
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Speaker 9: the government might exact revenge if you weren't actually falling
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Speaker 9: into line. So I can see the concerns about that.
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Speaker 9: The look interest rates affect all of us, and so
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Speaker 9: I would like to see as much transparency as possible
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Speaker 9: in understanding why it is and how it is that
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Speaker 9: they are decided.
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Speaker 2: You and I have been dubious about the claim of
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Speaker 2: these so called green jobs. I mean, you know, every
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Speaker 2: coal mine is suddenly going to come become a bloke
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Speaker 2: that can put up a wind turbine. If you listen
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Speaker 2: to the left of politics. Tim Ayres was out there today.
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Speaker 2: He's a new industry minister, saying that he thinks in
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Speaker 2: relation to artificial intelligence, we're going to have all of
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Speaker 2: these jobs that are going to come out of it,
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Speaker 2: including and manufacturing. He points to renewables as well. You know,
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Speaker 2: when I talk to people like Dick Smith who are
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Speaker 2: very dubious about AI jobs and automation jobs not necessarily
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Speaker 2: the same thing. The whole point of AI is to
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Speaker 2: take out the redundant human being from the supply chain.
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Speaker 2: So show me where these AI jobs are going to
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Speaker 2: come from, and I think that's.
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Speaker 3: Going to be a huge.
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Speaker 2: Overturning of human beings purpose. You know, you finish school,
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Speaker 2: you get an education, you get a trade, you went
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Speaker 2: to the workforce at a at an e true level position.
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Speaker 3: If those jobs.
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Speaker 2: Are not there, how do future generations earn an income?
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Speaker 2: And now we're going to have you know, all that
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Speaker 2: nonsense of the universal wage, and are how are we
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Speaker 2: even going to pay for all of that. I don't
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Speaker 2: feel like we're grappling with these issues, Chris, and I
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Speaker 2: feel like we're just sort of saying it's all going
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Speaker 2: to be fabulous when we're not doing the homework.
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Speaker 9: Oh, absolutely, Peter and I do think that AI is
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Speaker 9: one of those things that's a generation that comes along
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Speaker 9: once in a generation, a technology that is that powerful,
20:30
Speaker 9: or you'd struggle to think of other things in human
20:32
Speaker 9: history that are kind of equivalent to this. And the
20:35
Speaker 9: potential that it has to take out white college jobs. Now,
20:38
Speaker 9: we've seen industry in the past as it mechanizes take
20:41
Speaker 9: out blue collar jobs, so the white college jobs are
20:43
Speaker 9: the next one in line. And I've seen what artificial
20:46
Speaker 9: intelligence can do by stringing together two interviews and churning
20:50
Speaker 9: out a pretty serviceable news story. So I think that
20:53
Speaker 9: it might cost a lot of journalist jobs. And in
20:55
Speaker 9: any of the information technologies we've seen, that's where the
20:57
Speaker 9: hammer falls first and hardest. It certainly is the media.
21:00
Speaker 9: So I would be a bit dubious about the future
21:02
Speaker 9: on that front. And look, every time they talk about this,
21:05
Speaker 9: they always put the word green in front of it.
21:07
Speaker 9: Can I tell you. I was in the United States
21:08
Speaker 9: last year and the kinds of energy demands that we're
21:11
Speaker 9: talking about in a single undiversified load. That means that
21:14
Speaker 9: they are going to be wanting energy twenty four to
21:16
Speaker 9: seven that will not be run by wind and solar
21:19
Speaker 9: power in the United States. It will be a gas
21:21
Speaker 9: first and then a nuclear policy. So they're going to
21:24
Speaker 9: set up their data centers in and around those big
21:27
Speaker 9: gas fields in the United States and get cheap, abundant
21:30
Speaker 9: energy in order to deliver that data. I don't know
21:33
Speaker 9: where we're going to get that from. And everyone talks
21:35
Speaker 9: about productivity. To Peter, here's a recipe for productivity. Cheaper
21:39
Speaker 9: and energy, certainty, less red tape, and a government that
21:42
Speaker 9: doesn't think that it knows more than the market. Start
21:45
Speaker 9: there and you might get somewhere.
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Speaker 2: Maybe even remove a layer of government in Australia, that'd
21:51
Speaker 2: be nice too, that'd be good for productivity. Thanks very much, Chris,
21:54
Speaker 2: See you next week. The conflict of the Middle East
21:57
Speaker 2: has continued to escalate since Israel launched those preemptive stripe
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Speaker 2: on Friday against Iran as part of what they're called
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Speaker 2: Operation Rising Lion Tel Aviv has been shaken by Iran's
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Speaker 2: first daylight strike since Friday, as the two nations continue
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Speaker 2: to trade blows. Joining me now from Tel Aviv, Arson Ostrovsky,
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Speaker 2: an Australian Israeli human rights lawyer and the CEO of
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Speaker 2: the International Legal Forum Arsten Welcome. I hope you're safe.
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Speaker 2: I am very pleased to be able to speak to
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Speaker 2: you tonight. I think all Australians are watching very closely.
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Speaker 2: You're part of the world. You're a human rights lawyer.
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Speaker 2: Explain to us the difference between what are here strategic
22:34
Speaker 2: attacks on military targets versus what Iran is doing to
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Speaker 2: you in retaliation.
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Speaker 8: Sure, thank you for having on Peter, I should explain
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Speaker 8: if you can see in the background here, I'm actually
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Speaker 8: the side of our last notes misso attack in Tel Aviv.
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Speaker 8: I'm in the middle of a residential area. There are
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Speaker 8: no military targets anyone who are inside. These are homes here,
22:55
Speaker 8: people live here, there are shops here. It is just
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Speaker 8: purely purely civilians. And they didn't realize a little bit difference.
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Speaker 8: So what is what an act of aggression? It was
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Speaker 8: an act of self defense and last resort against They
23:08
Speaker 8: really wanted to try to subtle enemy that I bought
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Speaker 8: Israel's destruction and stood on the cusp of doing so
23:14
Speaker 8: and flop me so that they were really on the
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Speaker 8: verge of fating the list that does not sow nuclear warheads.
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Speaker 8: They have time and time agemic saw this was annihilation
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Speaker 8: by proxy terror groups as balamass and I mean to
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Speaker 8: have the footies, of course, but here in lies the difference.
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Speaker 8: Whereas and you're not in the beginning where Israel has
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Speaker 8: been targeting solely military targets, infrastructure targets, the nuclear nuclear
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Speaker 8: weapons capabilities, Iran has been indiscriminately targeting the entire state
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Speaker 8: of Israel. Every single person has been in shelter, myself,
23:48
Speaker 8: my family included as sore as Israel is acting in
23:52
Speaker 8: its inalible right of certain sense, what Yvan is doing
23:55
Speaker 8: is a grow small crime. So there is an otherqulification
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Speaker 8: in all countries, include in Australia, by the way, should
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Speaker 8: recognize this.
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Speaker 2: We're just talking before I spoke to you with one
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Speaker 2: of our correspondents out of Camber. And of course the
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Speaker 2: Australian government here is focused on calling on.
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Speaker 3: Restraint from Israel.
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Speaker 2: Why does Israel have to restrain when an international or
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Speaker 2: proportionality and everything else applies to almost every other country
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Speaker 2: but Israel.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, it shouldn't. It is a relentless and systematic double
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Speaker 8: standard approach to it all that is not applied to
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Speaker 8: any other countries. It's disappointing to have heard from Minister
24:35
Speaker 8: one foul for such restraints. I think I would actually
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Speaker 8: add better Australia's response. And I say this also as
24:41
Speaker 8: Australian that's been in and out of shelters has been
24:43
Speaker 8: somewhat scold and indifferent. I can tell you that if
24:48
Speaker 8: Australia was threatened with annihilation, if Australia I have had
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Speaker 8: to sustain hundreds upon hundreds of the listed missile attacks,
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Speaker 8: sending the entire country to population, I don't think Australia
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Speaker 8: would show such a risk. In alshod Is world, we
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Speaker 8: expected to.
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Speaker 3: What's the mood in Tel Aviv? Now?
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Speaker 8: Look right right now? People are cleaning up, people are
25:12
Speaker 8: outside trying to get a sense of what happened. You know,
25:15
Speaker 8: if I move aside here and you can't see, there's
25:18
Speaker 8: you know a lot of the destructional debris, a lot
25:20
Speaker 8: of the glass around me. Book the israelis in a
25:24
Speaker 8: lot of ways, Like the audience are a resilient, resilient bunch,
25:27
Speaker 8: and we've had to have been for a long time
25:29
Speaker 8: and start since October seventh. Beworlds on the standards for something.
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Speaker 8: It's quite serious. We're dealing with an enemy state that
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Speaker 8: is seek now less than now annihilation, that is firing ballistics,
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Speaker 8: missiles and drones that the entire Stavilian population areas in
25:47
Speaker 8: Australia will stand for this. No should Israel or any
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Speaker 8: other countries.
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Speaker 2: Just quickly asking, I mean, would you say that this
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Speaker 2: has got broad community support?
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Speaker 3: This action?
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Speaker 8: Those are you know, those radis are in Noow. I'm
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Speaker 8: sure can you hear me?
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Speaker 2: Yes, I have, I've got you. You've just said it's
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Speaker 2: got broad support.
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Speaker 3: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: That's very very helpful to know. Stay safe, Thank you,
26:16
Speaker 2: Thank you for joining me, Arson, Thank you. Let's go
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Speaker 2: down to an Australian who was there on the weekend
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Speaker 2: caught up in the conflict, joining me now though he's
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Speaker 2: in Jordan. Is Radford pr Principal James Radford, James, trouble.
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Speaker 3: Seems to find you.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what one minute I talked to you
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Speaker 2: when you're at the Trump mar Lago does when it's
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Speaker 2: all kicking off down there. And I talked to you
26:36
Speaker 2: over the weekend. I find out you're in Tel Aviv
26:38
Speaker 2: in a bomb shelter. You've got out of there, though
26:41
Speaker 2: you're in Jordan. You're at the airport waiting to get home.
26:43
Speaker 2: But tell us what it was like in Tel Aviv
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Speaker 2: over the weekend and how on earth you got out?
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Speaker 3: Good morning, Peter.
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Speaker 12: Well, first, can I say, I'm thinking of everyone in
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Speaker 12: Tel Aviv at the moment, all of the Israelis, all
26:55
Speaker 12: of the stranded Australian and especially in my group as well,
26:57
Speaker 12: who was still there trying to evacuate tele Aviv. It
27:01
Speaker 12: was such an incredible but not in a good sense,
27:03
Speaker 12: in a bad sense. A few days we woke up
27:05
Speaker 12: at three am on Friday morning to a sort of
27:07
Speaker 12: half alarm that went off in our hotel rooms, and
27:10
Speaker 12: we weren't quite sure what to do if it was
27:11
Speaker 12: incoming missile far I, it was incoming rockets. So we
27:14
Speaker 12: all went to the shelter in our hotel and we're
27:17
Speaker 12: just madly scrambling on our phones to try and find
27:19
Speaker 12: out what was going on. We then found out that
27:21
Speaker 12: Israel had started its offensive against the Iranian nuclear capabilities,
27:25
Speaker 12: and that just sort of sent a bit of a
27:26
Speaker 12: shock down all of our spines because we know that
27:28
Speaker 12: this is a very serious action and it would probably
27:30
Speaker 12: take weeks for it to be resolved, so we're incredibly nervous.
27:34
Speaker 12: That night, I didn't go back to sleep. I did
27:36
Speaker 12: everything I could on my phone to try and evacuate
27:38
Speaker 12: out of there, to try and get our group out
27:40
Speaker 12: of there, but it was extremely difficult circumstances, and I'm
27:42
Speaker 12: just so thankful that my incredible boss, Gina Reinhart, worked
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Speaker 12: night and day to try and get myself and also
27:49
Speaker 12: the group out of there, but because of the capacity constraints,
27:51
Speaker 12: I was only able to go myself. So it was
27:54
Speaker 12: an incredible scary few days. We had to run to
27:57
Speaker 12: the bomb shelter three times Saturday evening and while we're
28:01
Speaker 12: in there. As an Australian, I've never experienced anything like
28:03
Speaker 12: this nor head the rest of our delegation, but we
28:06
Speaker 12: could actually hear the missile interceptions overhead. The first we
28:09
Speaker 12: thought it was the door closing and opening, but we
28:11
Speaker 12: realized the door wouldn't close and open that many times,
28:13
Speaker 12: so it was an incredibly shaking experience and just just
28:16
Speaker 12: waiting for the next notification on your phone, just waiting
28:19
Speaker 12: for the next alarm to go off. Yeah, it was
28:22
Speaker 12: just a very very very nervous time to be over there,
28:24
Speaker 12: and I'm incredible, incredibly I've been able to depart.
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Speaker 2: I'd have to say, be incredibly uncertainly. You get, you know,
28:32
Speaker 2: an alarm golf in the middle of the nine I know,
28:34
Speaker 2: having been in Israel myself, you sort of have your
28:37
Speaker 2: worst case scenarios go.
28:38
Speaker 3: Through your head, but for it actually.
28:39
Speaker 2: To be real and have to get down there quickly
28:43
Speaker 2: and you know, try and work out what the heck's
28:46
Speaker 2: going on. What about the Australian embassy. People said to
28:48
Speaker 2: me that our embassy shut down over the weekend.
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Speaker 3: Is that right?
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Speaker 8: Yeah?
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Speaker 12: Look, my understanding was the Australian Embassy in Jerusalem was
28:59
Speaker 12: closed on Friday. I'm not sure if that was a
29:01
Speaker 12: plan cloth for Shabbat because most of his right clothes
29:03
Speaker 12: on Fridays, but it was closed. You would expect that
29:05
Speaker 12: they would open a sap given the rockets and missile launched,
29:13
Speaker 12: time for them to open the embassy. So it was
29:16
Speaker 12: a concerning period because there was also as we understand
29:18
Speaker 12: that no immediate plans to evacuate Australians, and also there
29:21
Speaker 12: was no precedent set up in coming days, but it
29:25
Speaker 12: was not immediately available when the missiles and the rockets
29:28
Speaker 12: started to get fired. So I think the Australian Embassy
29:30
Speaker 12: was caught on the back foot a little bit as
29:31
Speaker 12: well as Defaut, and I really think they should be
29:33
Speaker 12: prepared for these scenarios. It's a sort of KPI number one.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not wrong because this was an official delegation,
29:40
Speaker 2: so it wasn't like you were. We're there without their knowledge.
29:44
Speaker 2: I'll leave it there, James, just starting to break up,
29:46
Speaker 2: but travel home safely and.
29:48
Speaker 3: Good on Gina Reinhardt. I'll tell you what.
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Speaker 2: After the break So far the US is staying out
29:52
Speaker 2: of this conflict, but the how long? Plus all eyes
29:56
Speaker 2: will be on that meeting next week, you hope from
29:57
Speaker 2: Chris yourman for the wonderful Peter jen is coming up.
30:01
Speaker 2: What's going to happen on this and a few other
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Speaker 2: things at the G seven Welcome Max Still the Carmel
30:10
Speaker 2: Cross live to a very important farming event happening right
30:13
Speaker 2: now in Victoria as regional communities grapple with drought and
30:17
Speaker 2: that massive new tax hits. But let's stay now with
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Speaker 2: the conflict in the Middle East is rare. The Prime
30:22
Speaker 2: Minister Benjaminette Yahoo has told Fox News this operation isn't
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Speaker 2: just about protecting Israel.
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Speaker 5: We can't have the world's most dangerous regime have the
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Speaker 5: world's most dangerous weapons.
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Speaker 8: We're protecting ourselves, but by doing so, we're protecting many others.
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Speaker 2: Join me now to discuss this and more strategic analysis.
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Speaker 2: Australian director Peter Jennings. Well, Peter, give us your sense
30:45
Speaker 2: of things. How long do you think this is going
30:47
Speaker 2: to last? The trading of blows in the Middle East.
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Speaker 13: I think we're going to see significant air campaigns, air
30:56
Speaker 13: strikes against to run at least for a week or so, Peter.
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Speaker 13: And that's because the Israelis want to make sure that
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Speaker 13: they are thoroughly destroying the nuclear program and also chemical
31:08
Speaker 13: and biological weapons programs. But I think more broadly than that,
31:12
Speaker 13: going after a significant amount of infrastructure which is necessary
31:15
Speaker 13: more broadly to support those programs, and also after the
31:19
Speaker 13: senior leadership of the Iranian military, and depending on how
31:23
Speaker 13: things go, perhaps also their political leadership. So this is
31:27
Speaker 13: going to last let's say a week in terms of
31:30
Speaker 13: intense combat operations and perhaps perhaps even longer.
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Speaker 2: Okay, we've talked a bit already on the show about
31:38
Speaker 2: the assets, the infrastructure that's been hit, but you've touched
31:41
Speaker 2: on there. The leadership that have been annihilated in these
31:46
Speaker 2: precision bombing raids. Give us an understanding of how important
31:51
Speaker 2: that will be to possible regime change in Iran. It
31:55
Speaker 2: happened very quickly in the case of Syria recently, because
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Speaker 2: they've been there so much longer. It's more difficult in Iran.
32:03
Speaker 2: But give me your take on things we're going to
32:06
Speaker 2: see regime change, Peter. Do you think in the short
32:08
Speaker 2: to medium term potentially.
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Speaker 13: Well, we've seen the Israelis are saying perhaps twenty senior
32:16
Speaker 13: military leaders have been killed, including the commander in chief
32:21
Speaker 13: of their military that the most senior general, the chief
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Speaker 13: of staff of the Iranian Guard's Corps, which is also
32:28
Speaker 13: a most significant internal security apparatus. We've seen the commander
32:32
Speaker 13: of the missiles and drones killed, a senior advisor to
32:38
Speaker 13: Iatola Kamani, political advisor. So this starts to go to
32:44
Speaker 13: the leadership group that is around Aatola Kamani. It seems
32:51
Speaker 13: that the reporting is Peter that the Americans have said
32:54
Speaker 13: to Israel, don't go after Kamani himself. But I think
32:58
Speaker 13: that the Israelis are doing what they can to make
33:03
Speaker 13: sure that Iran cannot come back from these strikes quickly.
33:08
Speaker 13: And a model for this is a little bit like
33:09
Speaker 13: what they did with the Hesbala leadership in Lebanon just
33:12
Speaker 13: a few months ago. They know where these people are
33:16
Speaker 13: and they are very deliberately attacking them, and I think
33:20
Speaker 13: that shows you that beyond taking out the nuclear program
33:25
Speaker 13: and missiles and so forth, there is an attempt now
33:28
Speaker 13: to do serious damage to the senior leadership structure of
33:31
Speaker 13: Iran as well.
33:35
Speaker 2: And Donald Trump says, of course the US are not involved,
33:37
Speaker 2: but they could become involved.
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Speaker 3: What would cause that to happen?
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Speaker 13: They're involved, They will clearly be providing a range of
33:48
Speaker 13: intelligence support to the operation. US naval assets have been
33:53
Speaker 13: responsible for shooting down a number of drones and missiles
33:56
Speaker 13: which were part of the early stage Iranian response.
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Speaker 4: It's back.
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Speaker 13: Something that I will tell you with a degree of certainty, Peter,
34:05
Speaker 13: is that Israel will be calling on ed where refueling assets.
34:09
Speaker 13: That goes beyond what they can provide for themselves. They've
34:12
Speaker 13: got a long way to go to send these aircraft
34:14
Speaker 13: to get to Iran. America is involved already, and most importantly,
34:20
Speaker 13: they're providing backup. They're saying directly to Tehran, you know,
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Speaker 13: don't extend this war, don't go broad, don't go attacking
34:30
Speaker 13: American interests more widely through the Middle East. And therefore
34:35
Speaker 13: America continues to be the indispensable power Peter, even though
34:40
Speaker 13: they're happy to let Israel be the country which is
34:42
Speaker 13: doing the striking, you know, as.
34:46
Speaker 2: Has played out on Friday. I just kept going back
34:49
Speaker 2: to that Obama Iran dal and all the billions and
34:52
Speaker 2: billions of dollars paid out potentially they said at the
34:55
Speaker 2: time for peace.
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Speaker 3: Was it worth a jot?
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Speaker 9: No, it was not.
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Speaker 13: It was a disaster. I mean, it got a small
35:05
Speaker 13: amount of controlled behavior on the nuclear program, but nothing
35:08
Speaker 13: that has stopped around from getting very close within weeks
35:12
Speaker 13: of being able to develop a bomb. It pushed a
35:15
Speaker 13: whole lot of money back to a run which they
35:17
Speaker 13: then used to fund Hamas and Hezbela and to attack Israel.
35:21
Speaker 13: So you know, when the history has come to be
35:23
Speaker 13: written about this period, that Obama deal will be seen
35:28
Speaker 13: to have been a disaster and something which has led
35:31
Speaker 13: us step by step directly to where we're at today,
35:35
Speaker 13: where really Israel has had no choice in order not
35:38
Speaker 13: to face an enemy that calls for its destruction with
35:41
Speaker 13: nuclear weapons, they've had to do what they've done, and
35:44
Speaker 13: now they have to go on through and complete that
35:46
Speaker 13: process to make sure that Iran can't come back to
35:48
Speaker 13: the stage anytime soon.
35:53
Speaker 2: All Right, I just said before to Chris your managers,
35:55
Speaker 2: I'd like to be a fly on the wall this
35:56
Speaker 2: meeting between President Trump and Prime minister to Albert Easy.
36:00
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, he'll have nowhere to hide our
36:03
Speaker 2: prime minister. It'll be the emperor has got no clothes
36:06
Speaker 2: on defense spending in front of Donald Trump. I do
36:09
Speaker 2: not think they'll do that sort of usual diplomatic dance
36:12
Speaker 2: and he'll get away with not spending what the US
36:14
Speaker 2: demands we spend.
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Speaker 3: How do you think it'll go well?
36:20
Speaker 13: I suppose Albinezi will be hoping for the lightest of
36:23
Speaker 13: sort of you know, Gripp and Grinn kind of corridor meetings,
36:28
Speaker 13: but I don't think he'll get that. And I think
36:30
Speaker 13: our own government spin that this is just what a
36:33
Speaker 13: new administration does is correct. The administration's been in power
36:37
Speaker 13: for half a year now, they've very clearly said what
36:41
Speaker 13: their expectation is in terms of Australian defense spending. They
36:44
Speaker 13: know we're failing them on that score, and they know
36:48
Speaker 13: that our government has been full of backhanders towards Trump
36:52
Speaker 13: and his personality. So this could get quite ugly, I
36:57
Speaker 13: think in terms of America saying we're not walking from Ucas,
37:01
Speaker 13: but Australia. If you want to keep in Orcas, the
37:04
Speaker 13: price has just gone up, you're going to have to
37:06
Speaker 13: do more. I think that is what the shape of
37:09
Speaker 13: the meeting is going to be like.
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Speaker 2: We will watch your analysis with interest. Thank you, Peter.
37:17
Speaker 2: Right before we get to the break, kits my little
37:19
Speaker 2: friend Ava's birthday, and I promised you Ava, I'm wearing
37:22
Speaker 2: your favorite color. I hope you like it and I
37:24
Speaker 2: hope you have an absolutely lovely day. Right after the break,
37:27
Speaker 2: will cross live to Bellerraate in Victoria for a special
37:30
Speaker 2: event aimed at offering support the farmers hit by drought
37:33
Speaker 2: and those skyrocketing new costs on the so called emergency Levey,
37:37
Speaker 2: plus the new South Wales nats the veto net zero.
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Speaker 3: So that's the end government and the.
37:42
Speaker 2: South Australian Libs certainly put some pressure on the Federal Coalition.
37:46
Speaker 3: Doesn't it?
37:51
Speaker 2: Welcome back coming out one man fighting for his life
37:54
Speaker 2: after another alleged attack from one of Labour's freed immigration detainees,
38:00
Speaker 2: to an event giving Victorian farmers and farming communities a
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Speaker 2: well earned breather after months of unrelenting drought, skyrocketing costs
38:08
Speaker 2: and the added pressure of Labour's massive height to the
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Speaker 2: Emergency Services Levy. It's called the Farmer's Night Off and
38:14
Speaker 2: it's a grassroots of end organized by the Ballarat Agricultural
38:18
Speaker 2: and Pastoral Society alongside Commerce Ballarat with the aim of
38:22
Speaker 2: bringing farmers together for a night of connection, support and
38:25
Speaker 2: much needed laughs. Jentlemen, our fifth generation farmer from Bamghany,
38:29
Speaker 2: I hope I've said that right between Shelford and Meredith.
38:32
Speaker 2: Jimmy Knight, Jimmy, welcome great Tavy on the program.
38:37
Speaker 3: I can hear there might.
38:38
Speaker 2: Be a sound of rain on that tin roof, which
38:41
Speaker 2: would be music to everyone's ears with you tonight. Put
38:46
Speaker 2: that rain to one side, give us a sense of
38:48
Speaker 2: how tough the last twelve months have been for you
38:51
Speaker 2: and farmers like you.
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Speaker 10: Today, Peter. Yeah, the last twelve months, as the people
38:59
Speaker 10: now well where it's been bloody terrible.
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Speaker 8: It's been a real tough.
39:04
Speaker 10: Gig for farmers throughout southwest Victoria in South Australia. Even
39:09
Speaker 10: though we've had a nice drop of rain the last
39:12
Speaker 10: couple of weeks, it's not going to solve much. Now
39:15
Speaker 10: it's getting cold. If we'd had the rain a little
39:17
Speaker 10: while ago, the soil was soil a little bit warm.
39:19
Speaker 10: But it's just been a really tough gig. A lot
39:22
Speaker 10: of the older farmers are now referring to this is
39:24
Speaker 10: as dry as a sixty seven sixty eight draft.
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Speaker 3: Wow.
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Speaker 2: So I don't know that everyone in the bush, sorry
39:32
Speaker 2: outside of the bush, understands that you can get a
39:35
Speaker 2: bit of rain, but you need the soil to be
39:37
Speaker 2: warm out to germinate any crops that you've put in.
39:41
Speaker 2: So help us understand what you need in the short term.
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Speaker 2: But also you've got to have feed anyway to look
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Speaker 2: after livestock until you get some sort of outcome from
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Speaker 2: the crops and grass and other things, don't you.
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Speaker 10: Well, that's right. It's been a day to day battle
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Speaker 10: for most farmers, especially with livestock eating rotating paddocks, just
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Speaker 10: doing the best we can. I mean, the hay stocks
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Speaker 10: are dwindling, as everyone knows. We've been having to travel
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Speaker 10: as far north as the between Shepherd and the Murray
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Speaker 10: River to source some of our looseners for our stud sheet.
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Speaker 10: It's it's a very hard gig at the moment, and
40:18
Speaker 10: obviously with that, prices have increased substantially. And yeah, we're
40:23
Speaker 10: just all farmers, all rasies and croppers were all in
40:27
Speaker 10: the same boat. This rain has been welcomed, but it's
40:30
Speaker 10: going to take Unless we get good every rainfalls between
40:34
Speaker 10: now and leading up to spring, it's going to be
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Speaker 10: a real tough gear.
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Speaker 2: I want to touch on mental health because my brother
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Speaker 2: in law's a dairy farmer down terrain Way. I know
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Speaker 2: they're doing it tough down there, but what I'm pleased
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Speaker 2: to see is a lot of the men in particular
40:51
Speaker 2: reaching out to each other. I think that's part of
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Speaker 2: the reason you're all there tonight. But we also know
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Speaker 2: there's been some pretty horrific suicides in recent months as well,
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Speaker 2: don't we.
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Speaker 10: Absolutely mental health is a really big thing. I'm glad
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Speaker 10: you touched on that.
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Speaker 3: Tonight.
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Speaker 10: It's all about getting together getting off the farm. We've
41:15
Speaker 10: all got our separate battles. Every farmer is in the
41:18
Speaker 10: same boat, whether you're a cropper or a grazier. It's
41:22
Speaker 10: just a matter of taking that next step, getting off
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Speaker 10: farm and communicating the community. Communication is probably one of
41:29
Speaker 10: the key things we're all about our little private battles
41:33
Speaker 10: at home, obviously with the drought, but the drought doesn't
41:35
Speaker 10: pick and choose.
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Speaker 8: We're all in the same boat.
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Speaker 10: So for an event like this too, the organized is exceptional.
41:43
Speaker 10: An event much the same as this was organized not
41:45
Speaker 10: far from where I am down in Shelford the other week.
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Speaker 10: We were unfortunately unable to attend, but it was a
41:51
Speaker 10: magnificent turnout for all local farmers just to get off
41:55
Speaker 10: the farm, have a bit of a yarn, a couple
41:57
Speaker 10: of beers, and just to break.
41:59
Speaker 3: Up and not and they're not me.
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Speaker 2: I went down to the reds and protests when a
42:05
Speaker 2: lot of farmers and CFA volunteers turn up at the
42:08
Speaker 2: footsteps of the Parliament in Victoria. And you know, when
42:11
Speaker 2: I spoke to some men off camera, they are in
42:13
Speaker 2: tears because they don't think the government's listening. They think
42:17
Speaker 2: that the levee on top of everything else is just
42:21
Speaker 2: another sort of sign that they're not cared for, that
42:25
Speaker 2: the work they do is not valued and they wonder
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Speaker 2: why the heck they do it, get out of bed
42:30
Speaker 2: at the hours they do and take on this risk.
42:33
Speaker 2: How's that levee gone down in your neck of the woods?
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Speaker 10: Yeah, pretty ordinary, like all other regions, rural regions. It's
42:42
Speaker 10: the end of the day. They can't text us out
42:44
Speaker 10: of this bloody det that got us into. It's just
42:47
Speaker 10: it's an absolute nightmare and it's just another hurdle the
42:51
Speaker 10: primal producers have got to put up with. It's just
42:54
Speaker 10: so uncalled for and hopefully things will change, but the
43:00
Speaker 10: arrogance of these people in charge, it's just I don't
43:03
Speaker 10: think it's going to obviously, honestly do not think it's
43:05
Speaker 10: going to change. But it's just in regards to mental
43:07
Speaker 10: health of the farmers. This has been the last draw
43:09
Speaker 10: for quite a few as you know.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm pleased to say, Jimmy that no one's taking
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Speaker 2: the government at face value. That you know they're going
43:18
Speaker 2: to have a break from the levee, but it'll still
43:19
Speaker 2: be there. I think people are fighting it all the
43:21
Speaker 2: way through to the next election. So enjoy tonight. Please
43:25
Speaker 2: give my love and best wishes to everyone there, and
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Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining me tonight on the program.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Jimmy. There you go.
43:32
Speaker 2: They are still doing it tough, but after the rack,
43:34
Speaker 2: the break, the battle over net zero that's heating up
43:38
Speaker 2: in the coalition and the stounding number of Australian.
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Speaker 3: Nationals in Iran.
43:43
Speaker 2: Now I saw this figure today and I was surprised.
43:51
Speaker 2: Welcome back news today that JU South Wales Nationals have
43:55
Speaker 2: voted to abandon their commitment to net zero by twenty fifty.
43:59
Speaker 3: It's a move that all now put pressure on the
44:00
Speaker 3: Liberals for.
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Speaker 2: The party in South Australia also voted recently to walk away.
44:05
Speaker 2: The latest motion was put on the agenda at the
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Speaker 2: weekend state conference in Coffs Harbor. We're overwhelmingly nationals voted
44:12
Speaker 2: in favor of dumping the net zero commitment. To discuss
44:16
Speaker 2: this and more, Let's bring in Queensland L ANDP Senator
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Speaker 2: James McGrath and One Nation Chief of Staff James Ashby.
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Speaker 3: Well, Jens, welcome. I'll tell you what, James McGrath.
44:25
Speaker 2: You've got the NT government, the COLP government, South Australian
44:29
Speaker 2: leaves now the new South Wales nats are all.
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Speaker 3: Abandoning net and zero. Ah.
44:34
Speaker 2: You know, I know you've got your review, but you're
44:36
Speaker 2: not going to be able to sit on the barbed
44:37
Speaker 2: wire offence for much longer.
44:42
Speaker 1: No, we won't. But I'm happy that this is happening
44:45
Speaker 1: because it's very important for the Liberal Party and the
44:48
Speaker 1: National Party to listen to our grassroots and be reminded
44:52
Speaker 1: of our core beliefs and core values. And if we
44:56
Speaker 1: take forward this review of our policies and don't listen
45:00
Speaker 1: to our grassroots, well we were going to be in
45:01
Speaker 1: a world of paint. So I welcome the contribution. I'm
45:04
Speaker 1: a senator, I spend a lot of my time going
45:07
Speaker 1: around to party units and I'm aware of what party
45:10
Speaker 1: members and supporters think about various issues. We've got to
45:13
Speaker 1: get energy policy right. We've got to make sure that
45:16
Speaker 1: we don't crash the economy. We do want to reduce emissions.
45:20
Speaker 1: We've also got to remember that Chris Bowen is the
45:23
Speaker 1: one who's in charge of at the moment, and he's
45:26
Speaker 1: the one with his reckless renewables who's actually forcing out
45:30
Speaker 1: people's power prices and as the one is damaging Australian industry. Now,
45:34
Speaker 1: I think we'll get to the right place, but it
45:36
Speaker 1: will take a few weeks and hopefully the barbed wire
45:39
Speaker 1: doesn't give us tetanus.
45:42
Speaker 2: I will say then for Code, I'll decode your answer
45:46
Speaker 2: there For people at home, if you.
45:47
Speaker 3: Are a member of the NATS or you are a
45:49
Speaker 3: member of the.
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Speaker 2: Limbs, what James is actually saying, if you want Net
45:52
Speaker 2: zero to go, you've basically got to force our hand.
45:55
Speaker 3: Get out there and vote for it.
45:56
Speaker 2: Tell us in no uncertain terms you want it to go,
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Speaker 2: and when we forced to do the right thing in Canberra.
46:02
Speaker 2: So that's the message you tell me from being a
46:05
Speaker 2: bit strong there, James ashbyd But I think that's what
46:07
Speaker 2: he wants to hear from the grassroots. Talk to me
46:09
Speaker 2: about this stabbing sixty two year old man in Footscray
46:12
Speaker 2: on the weekend. He's been taking the hospital's critical injuries.
46:16
Speaker 2: We're told very sadly he is unlikely to survive. This
46:21
Speaker 2: is yet another real world consequence for Labour's bungle because
46:26
Speaker 2: this man was a freed immigration detainee.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, and he's one of one hundred and seventy eight
46:35
Speaker 14: that were let out by this labor government under a
46:37
Speaker 14: High Court decision called en z YQ, of which of
46:42
Speaker 14: those one hundred and seventy eight, we had thirty seven
46:44
Speaker 14: sex offenders and seventy two violent offenders, of which there's
46:50
Speaker 14: been now twenty eight of them arrested and put on
46:52
Speaker 14: around about one hundred federal criminal charges. And this is
46:56
Speaker 14: all in the Meanwhile, Peter two hundred and fifty five
47:00
Speaker 14: million dollars, that's just over a quarter of a billion
47:03
Speaker 14: dollars worth of money was dedicated by this labor government
47:08
Speaker 14: to somewhat keep the Australian public protected from these individuals
47:12
Speaker 14: that are freely roaming our streets. It hasn't worked, and
47:16
Speaker 14: as a result, we've got another person that it seems
47:19
Speaker 14: is going to die a horrific death. I might just say.
47:22
Speaker 14: The allegation is that his head was stomped on several
47:25
Speaker 14: times before Border Force could actually get to this person
47:28
Speaker 14: who was being monitored. So it's pretty clear that despite
47:32
Speaker 14: the monitoring, despite the quarter of a billion dollars put
47:35
Speaker 14: towards trying to keep the Australian public safe from these individuals,
47:39
Speaker 14: it is failing. These people should be round back up,
47:42
Speaker 14: put in detention and those who are not eligible to stay,
47:46
Speaker 14: get them out of the country.
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Speaker 2: And when now about two and a half years on
47:53
Speaker 2: since the Coalition and One Nation supported those urg of
47:56
Speaker 2: protection measures of which the government has never ever view
48:00
Speaker 2: used to deal with this.
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Speaker 3: Cohort, just something that came up.
48:04
Speaker 2: I saw this today, James McGrath. I'll put it on
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Speaker 2: the screen, this number of Australians in Israel in Iran now,
48:12
Speaker 2: the three hundred and fifty odd is the number three
48:14
Speaker 2: hundred sorry there in Israel. That didn't really surprise me,
48:17
Speaker 2: thought perhaps that would be higher. But I'm seeing what
48:20
Speaker 2: I was shocked to find. We've got three hundred and
48:24
Speaker 2: fifty Australians or dual nationals in Iran.
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Speaker 3: Does that surprise you, James McGrath.
48:32
Speaker 1: It does because I think you've had a choice between
48:34
Speaker 1: living in Iran or Australia. I think it's pretty obvious
48:38
Speaker 1: you want to live in Australia. So I don't know
48:41
Speaker 1: why anyone would want to live under the dictatorship in
48:45
Speaker 1: the theocracy that is ruling Iran at the moment. And
48:48
Speaker 1: I would hope that those Australians who are in Iran
48:52
Speaker 1: come to their senses and believe that coming to Australia
48:56
Speaker 1: and living in a liberal democracy with all our freedoms
49:00
Speaker 1: is a better way rather than staying in a country
49:03
Speaker 1: which is ruled by a bunch of men with beards.
49:08
Speaker 2: I'm a bit gbious about their background, but we'll leave
49:10
Speaker 2: it at that. Hey, two billion dollars, we're told it'll
49:13
Speaker 2: be passed through to poor of car buyers with these
49:16
Speaker 2: emission standards.
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Speaker 3: James Ashby, Yeah, isn't it ridiculous?
49:21
Speaker 14: And they're saying right now that the used car market
49:25
Speaker 14: is going up. Why is that because car manufacturers are
49:28
Speaker 14: putting in reduced cylinders in vehicles to try and meet
49:31
Speaker 14: these emission standards that the government have said. I look
49:34
Speaker 14: at it this way. I think car users in this
49:37
Speaker 14: country are going to end up like Japan after ten years.
49:40
Speaker 14: Japanese throw their cars away because it becomes too costly
49:43
Speaker 14: to keep a car of that age, because there are
49:45
Speaker 14: more and more costs attached to registration and you've got
49:50
Speaker 14: to go and get them reviewed every two years. I
49:53
Speaker 14: feel sorry for anyone who can't afford a new car
49:56
Speaker 14: right now, but I don't think any subsidies should be
49:58
Speaker 14: offered to these renewable vis hucles.
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Speaker 2: Not wrong out of time, Jens great, every company. See
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Speaker 2: you next week.
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Speaker 3: Here's Andrew