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#2544 - Chris Williamson · The Joe Rogan Experience

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  Speaker 1: Past check it out.
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  Speaker 2: But Joe Willgan Experience Train My Day Joe.
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  Speaker 3: Rogan podcast by name all Day. We're up, Christopher, I
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  Speaker 3: thank you very much for the book. This is very
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  Speaker 3: cool of you, ladies and gentlemen. Chris just gifted me,
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  Speaker 3: ladies and gentlemen, Lenny Bruce, which is a fucking amazing book.
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  Speaker 3: And uh it's inscripted with the inscription inside to Yoko Ono,
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  Speaker 3: who knows well what the jazz life entails, and it's
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  Speaker 3: Albert Goldman. And you were just telling me that Albert Goldman.
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  Speaker 3: This was his way of weaving into the Yoko Ono
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  Speaker 3: John Lenno John Lennon camp exactly. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And then he goes and writes a book that blows
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  Speaker 4: him up. I've just exploded a kind of newtonic all
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  Speaker 4: of my crush as well, Jamie, if you got a
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  Speaker 4: napkin somewhere, apologies, that's all right, premature.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we have tissues.
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  Speaker 4: No, all right, he says no, Jamie says no.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So he writes that book and then gifts it to
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  Speaker 4: Yoko oh no. And by giving it to her I
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  Speaker 4: think is the beginning of him working his way into
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  Speaker 4: that camp. And then he goes on to write the
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  Speaker 4: book The Lives of John Lennon, which after he's dead,
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  Speaker 4: kind of explodes a lot of what was going on personally,
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  Speaker 4: whether it's true or not. There's a lot of drama
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  Speaker 4: and fuerl around it. But I knew that it was
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  Speaker 4: your favorite book and we were supposed to.
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  Speaker 3: Well, thank you. That's very cool of you. I did
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  Speaker 3: not know about that that he wrote the John Lennon
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  Speaker 3: book as well. It's really interesting because that John Lennon book,
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  Speaker 3: It's God, it's so weird to write a book like
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  Speaker 3: that after it guy's dead and he can't respond to it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: where you're accusing it? Was it ex wives that accused
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  Speaker 3: him of domestic violence? Who accused him?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. I think that that whole funeral was
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  Speaker 4: was just a mess. And obviously when someone's dead, what
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  Speaker 4: are they going to do? How they going to be
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  Speaker 4: how they going to be able to come back from that?
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  Speaker 3: They can't?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's kind of it's just weird that you're allowed
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  Speaker 3: to do that. You know that you're allowed to say
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  Speaker 3: this happened, that happened. The guy can't say no, no,
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  Speaker 3: and I can prove it, like he can't say anything. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: And it's also like the give piece of chance guy,
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  Speaker 3: Like the give piece of chance guys beating his wife. Boy,
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  Speaker 3: you know it's not that surprising giving like human contradiction.
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  Speaker 3: You know. It's like male feminists to turn out to
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  Speaker 3: be sexual predators. There's a lot of them, right, There's
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  Speaker 3: a lot of that weird stuff going on where people
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  Speaker 3: pretend to be one thing and.
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  Speaker 4: They're actually another thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, sneaky fucker's the gid give piece of chance guy
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  Speaker 3: beating his wife. Though. It's like I can't believe that.
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  Speaker 3: I have a really hard time believing that, But I've
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  Speaker 3: been fooled before, right, Like he seems like the most peaceful,
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  Speaker 3: non violent guy of all time if that guy's but
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  Speaker 3: I'd read a bunch of stuff about him being a cunt.
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  Speaker 3: Goldman portrayed Lennon as having numerous sexual relationships outside his marriages.
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  Speaker 3: His accounts include well known relationship with May Pang like
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  Speaker 3: the Asians Huh jay out, additional affairs with women framed
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  Speaker 3: as habitual cheating, claims of sexual encounters with men, including
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  Speaker 3: an alleged relationship with Beatles manager Brian Epstein. Hey for
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  Speaker 3: more serious allegations, including claims involving male prostitutes in Thailand
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  Speaker 3: and other conduct that Golden characterizes sexual predation. The thing
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  Speaker 3: is like, how is he getting all this information about
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  Speaker 3: like male prostitutes in Thailand? And you know, like how
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  Speaker 3: do you know you know what I mean? Like did
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  Speaker 3: someone tell you originalo there? Like did you go there
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  Speaker 3: and talk to the prostitute? It's cock like? But why
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  Speaker 3: the book is disputed The problem is the reliability of
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  Speaker 3: Goldman's specific accusations. At publication, Yoko Ono and Paul McCartney
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  Speaker 3: publicly condemned the book. Contemporary reporting noted claims of factual errors, contradictions,
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  Speaker 3: unattributed assertions, and material allegedly based on dubious sources or
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  Speaker 3: quotations used of context. Look, that is not uncommon. Did
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  Speaker 3: I ever tell you what Bill Murray said on the podcast?
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  Speaker 3: So Bill Murray was reading Bob Woodward's book Wired, and
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  Speaker 3: he said he got through like five pages. He said,
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  Speaker 3: oh my god, they framed Nixon because Bob Woodward was
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  Speaker 3: the guy who did Watergate. And he said this book
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  Speaker 3: was so full of shit, it was so fake, like
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  Speaker 3: he portrayed, he portrayed the whole scene of like what
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  Speaker 3: he was up to as being like hardcore drugs constantly
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  Speaker 3: all the time, just just fucking losing his mind. And
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  Speaker 3: he's like, no, dude, he was a lightweight.
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  Speaker 4: He wasn't like that at all, so totally fabricated.
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  Speaker 3: He said, this is not my friend, Like I knew him,
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  Speaker 3: he was my best friend. He's like, this is not him.
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  Speaker 3: And then I told him the story of how Bob
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  Speaker 3: Woodward was an intelligen and that was his first assignment ever.
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  Speaker 3: Tucker told me this story on the podcast, that Bob
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  Speaker 3: wood Word and the other guy, what's the other guy's name, Bernstein,
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  Speaker 3: that Bob wood Word. This was a rookie assignment. A
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  Speaker 3: rookie assignment is going to take down the fucking president
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  Speaker 3: of the United States. And his first job outside of
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  Speaker 3: being a fucking intelligence agent is to work for the
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  Speaker 3: Washington Post on his first story, which is going to
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  Speaker 3: take down the most popular president in the history of
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  Speaker 3: the United States, won by the largest margin ever. And
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  Speaker 3: this is the guy that said he knew who killed
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  Speaker 3: Jack Kennedy and apparently that's why they got rid of Nixon.
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  Speaker 3: Tucker told me the whole story of the podcast. I
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  Speaker 3: was like, holy shit, this is fucking crazy.
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  Speaker 4: You're connecting the dots.
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  Speaker 3: It's a crazy fucking story.
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  Speaker 4: Have you been following this Lindsay Clancy case? This who's
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  Speaker 4: that lady who killed three of her kids?
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  Speaker 1: Oh?
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  Speaker 3: No, I've tried not to. That's a bummer.
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  Speaker 4: It is. It's basically twenty twenty six, is oh J
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  Speaker 4: Simpson before.
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  Speaker 3: We get into that. I would love to get into that.
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  Speaker 3: This Belushi thing is important because, like, his friend is
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  Speaker 3: telling you that he was not like that. Woodward makes
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  Speaker 3: him out to be this maniacal, cocaine adult heroin fueled guy.
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  Speaker 3: He's like, no, he was a lightweight. He said he
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  Speaker 3: would get drunk off a couple of drinks. So our
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  Speaker 3: whole narrative of who John Belushi is is by the
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  Speaker 3: same guy who framed Nixon. Like, once someone's dead, you
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  Speaker 3: could say whatever the fuck you want, you could see
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  Speaker 3: whatever you want.
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  Speaker 4: And who's going to defend this person with the same
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  Speaker 4: level of vitriola vehementness that someone who's still alive is going.
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  Speaker 3: To no one no, and there's nothing you can do.
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  Speaker 3: He's gone, everyone's mourning, everyone's sad. And then someone writes
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  Speaker 3: some book, Oh he used to fuck kids, like what,
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  Speaker 3: Like you could just write whatever you want and then
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  Speaker 3: maybe they could sue you. But boy, you're gonna make
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  Speaker 3: an extraordinary amount of money off of that book. Like
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  Speaker 3: people are gonna be hyped up for that book. You
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  Speaker 3: have a book while John Lennon was like into meditation,
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  Speaker 3: you like to do LLSD. No one's buying that shit,
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  Speaker 3: John Lennon, like the fuck guys in Thailand, let's go,
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  Speaker 3: let's go right, Well, you could write anything.
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  Speaker 4: Who's going to fight back that hod as well?
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  Speaker 3: Once someone's gone, you can't prove it he's dead.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's all he has say. Even the defense is
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  Speaker 4: now he's say, yes, the defense of the person who
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  Speaker 4: is now no longer alive.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly, that's exactly. Everything's heresay.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So the defense is always going to be flimsy
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  Speaker 4: in comparison to the accusations. The accusation feels like it's
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  Speaker 4: got more substance to it. Yes, this is someone who's
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  Speaker 4: gone out and done original research. You didn't go to Thailand,
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  Speaker 4: you didn't speak to the prostitution.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but even that, like, no one's buying it. It's
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  Speaker 3: just you can get away with so much. It's really
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  Speaker 3: kind of crazy. So you didn't know about the Nixon story, No,
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  Speaker 3: you should hear Tucker say it, because when Tucker Tucker
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  Speaker 3: lays it out and you're like, what, it's even more complex,
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  Speaker 3: Like the people that were involved in Watergate were all FBI.
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  Speaker 3: It's crazy. They set him up. Why because he was
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  Speaker 3: gonna expose who killed JFK, which is just a few
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  Speaker 3: years earlier.
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  Speaker 4: Fuck, dude, this country's wild, and I mean, I love.
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  Speaker 3: It, but it's they also you know, he had a
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  Speaker 3: vice president, Spiro Agnew, and they got rid of him
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  Speaker 3: on corruption charges and put Lyndon Johnson in.
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  Speaker 4: But couldn't these people have still spoken out and getting
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  Speaker 4: rid of them out of office, that doesn't stop them
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  Speaker 4: from whistleblowing, does it.
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  Speaker 3: First of all, they killed his predecessor, right, they killed JFK.
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  Speaker 4: So you think that was a warning shot, like we
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  Speaker 4: can get you out.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he knew they could. They definitely did. And they
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  Speaker 3: also got rid of him, right, And you know he
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  Speaker 3: didn't organize Watergate. He covered it up. They brought it
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  Speaker 3: to him. They said, hey, there was some recording equipment.
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  Speaker 3: He's like, don't talk on him, and that's what got him.
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  Speaker 3: That's what got him. See if you can find the
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  Speaker 3: clip of Tucker talking about it, because it is really
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  Speaker 3: insane when you read the when you hear him lay
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  Speaker 3: out the story, and then I read it online. I
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  Speaker 3: went into it to see like, is this totally Everything's accurate,
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  Speaker 3: and it's so weird that our perception of Nixon has
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  Speaker 3: been this corrupt crook. You know, look, he was a
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  Speaker 3: very right wing product of his time, and today his
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  Speaker 3: politics and his views on people, especially like minorities and
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  Speaker 3: a lot of other things would probably be very disgraceful
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  Speaker 3: and people would not like it. But we're talking about,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the nineteen sixties, the early nineteen seventies, and
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  Speaker 3: he's an old school, old timey Republican guy that said
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  Speaker 3: he was the most popular president ever at his time,
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  Speaker 3: and they got rid of him. They turned him into
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  Speaker 3: a crook.
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  Speaker 4: That's powerful.
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  Speaker 3: It's really crazy. You got to listen to this because
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  Speaker 3: it's kind of nuts. I was an experience. Bizarre that
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  Speaker 3: the New York Times wouldn't have an issue with that, Well,
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  Speaker 3: the New York Times does that all the time, but
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  Speaker 3: bizarre they wouldn't have an issue with the government tapping
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  Speaker 3: into your phone work for the government. Are you kidding?
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  Speaker 2: The New York Times and the New York Times is
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  Speaker 2: a conduit for the lies of government. That's what it is.
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  Speaker 2: It's their tool, and they're perfectly aware of that. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I used to write for The New York Times as
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  Speaker 2: a freelancer. I mean I've been around the New York
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  Speaker 2: Times a lot, and yeah, there are a lot of
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  Speaker 2: really smart people there, for sure, even now, I would
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  Speaker 2: know less so now, but they're still I think smart
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  Speaker 2: people there. There are, I know some and they know
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  Speaker 2: but they think that that, you know, it's worth it
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  Speaker 2: because they're bringing information or I don't know what they
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  Speaker 2: think actually, but no, they're tools of power, and that's
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  Speaker 2: like the one thing that you're not allowed to be
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  Speaker 2: even if you think the power is good. Like maybe
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  Speaker 2: they all support the agenda of the US government destabilizing
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  Speaker 2: the world and impoverishing their own population. Maybe they're on
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  Speaker 2: board with that. Even if they are, they shouldn't do
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  Speaker 2: it because the job of the media, the press is
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  Speaker 2: to keep power in check. You are kind of like
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  Speaker 2: the seat belt, right, you know, you make sure that
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  Speaker 2: things don't go too far. So and they're not doing that.
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  Speaker 2: They're acting as a willing handmaiden switched.
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  Speaker 3: Well.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's been the case for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at what happened in Richard Nixon,
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  Speaker 2: which I of course did not understand at all. Richard
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  Speaker 2: Nixon was taken out by the FBI and CIA and
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  Speaker 2: with the help of Bob Woodward, who was a Washington
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  Speaker 2: Post reporter who had been a Naval intelligence officer working
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  Speaker 2: in the White House, working in the Nixon white House.
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  Speaker 2: And then he shows up like a year later, and
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  Speaker 2: he's this brand new reporter. He'd never been a journalist
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  Speaker 2: at all. He's a naval intel officer, the famous Bob Woodward,
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  Speaker 2: we all Revere and he's at the Washington Post and
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  Speaker 2: somehow he gets the biggest story in the history of
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  Speaker 2: the Washington Post. He's the lead guy in that story. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I worked at a newspaper. I've been in the news
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  Speaker 2: business my whole life. That is not how it works.
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  Speaker 2: You don't take a kid like his first day from
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  Speaker 2: a totally unrelated business and put him on the biggest story.
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  Speaker 3: But he was.
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  Speaker 2: He was that guy. And who is his main source
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  Speaker 2: for Watergate?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: The number two guy at the FBI. Oh, so you
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  Speaker 2: have the naval intelligence officer working with the FBI official
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  Speaker 2: to destroy the president. Okay, so that's a deep state coup?
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  Speaker 3: What else?
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  Speaker 2: How would you describe that if that happened in Guatemala?
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  Speaker 4: What would you say?
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  Speaker 2: And yet the way it was framed, in the way
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  Speaker 2: that I accepted for decades was oh, this intrepid reporter
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  Speaker 2: fought power. No, no, no, this intrepid reporter, Bob Woodward was
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  Speaker 2: a tool of power, secret power, which is the most
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  Speaker 2: threatening kind to bounce the single most popular president in
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  Speaker 2: American history, Richard Nixon, from office before the end of
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  Speaker 2: his term and replace him with who oh, Gerald Ford
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  Speaker 2: who sat on the Warren Commission. Now, how did Gerald
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  Speaker 2: Ford get to be Richard Nixon's vice president? Well, because
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  Speaker 2: Carl Albert, the Democrat Speaker of the House, told him,
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  Speaker 2: you must choose him. We will only confirm him when
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  Speaker 2: they sent the actual elected vice president away for tax
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  Speaker 2: evasions Bureau Agnew of Maryland. So you have a complete setup,
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  Speaker 2: like an apps. Joe Ford, the only unelected president of
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  Speaker 2: American history, actually sat on the Warren Commission. Something else
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  Speaker 2: that I accepted at face value until I looked at
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  Speaker 2: it and I was like, that's completely insane. You didn't
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  Speaker 2: want to interview Jack Ruby and your investigation the assassination?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, you're fake.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was on the Warren Commission. Fuck me, and
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  Speaker 2: so sorry for the long story. But the point is
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  Speaker 2: like that that happened in front of all of us,
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  Speaker 2: but the way it was framed cloaked the obvious reality
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  Speaker 2: of it. The people who broke into the Watergate office
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  Speaker 2: building from which the name has taken Watergate, I think
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  Speaker 2: it was six of them or seven of them all
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  Speaker 2: but one was a CI employee. That's real, and it's like,
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  Speaker 2: look it up on Google. So the whole thing. Richard
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  Speaker 2: Nixon was elected by more votes than any president in
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  Speaker 2: American history in the nineteen seventy two election. He was
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  Speaker 2: the most popular by votes, which is the only way
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  Speaker 2: we can really measure popularity, the most popular president in
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  Speaker 2: his re election campaign, and two years later he's gone
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  Speaker 2: undone by a naval intel officer, the number two guy
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  Speaker 2: at the FBI, and a bunch of CIA employees. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: you tell me what that is.
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  Speaker 3: How about that?
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  Speaker 4: This country's wild?
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  Speaker 3: How about that? Yeah, that's Bob Woodward. That's the guy
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  Speaker 3: who wrote Wired. And when Bill Murray said that, he
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  Speaker 3: read the book and he said, oh my god, they
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  Speaker 3: framed Nixon. And then I showed him that, and he
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  Speaker 3: was like, holy shit, because he was a part of
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  Speaker 3: a thing they were doing with Hunter S. Thompson. Bill
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  Speaker 3: Murray was when he was really young and where he
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  Speaker 3: would go around and tell people that Nixon needs a
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  Speaker 3: second chance. But it was all parody. It was all
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  Speaker 3: like tongue in cheek. It was satire. He was going
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  Speaker 3: around pretending that he supported Nixon and Nixon needed a
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  Speaker 3: second chance, getting like young dumb people to go along
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  Speaker 3: with him on this in retrospect, retrospect, like I mean
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  Speaker 3: whether or not at the time he ever wanted Nixon
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  Speaker 3: as president. And you know, look, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: problems with Nixon. There's a lot of problems with the
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  Speaker 3: Vietnam War, There's a lot of problems of civil rights.
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  Speaker 3: Nixon passed the Controlled Substances Act, which is the reason
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  Speaker 3: why all psychedelic drugs to this day are scheduled one.
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  Speaker 3: Nixon was a fucking problem, no doubt about it. However,
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  Speaker 3: what they did when they the way they got rid
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  Speaker 3: of that guy is scary shit. And they pulled it off.
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  Speaker 3: No one got arrested, no one got indiceted, no one
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  Speaker 3: even got criticized.
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  Speaker 4: But could he not have still release information after it.
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  Speaker 3: Why he would have been a dead man protection because
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  Speaker 3: no one would have believed him.
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  Speaker 4: I'm throwing these people under the bus of the administration
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  Speaker 4: that got rid of me.
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  Speaker 3: There's also no internet, So how is he going to
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  Speaker 3: release it? Is the New York Times going to write this?
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  Speaker 3: Is he going to write a letter to the press
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  Speaker 3: and they're gonna print it? No, there's literally no recourse it.
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  Speaker 3: There's no podcasts, there's no shows that he could go on.
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  Speaker 3: No one, he was disgraced. No one would even have
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  Speaker 3: him on a late night show. But if he even
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  Speaker 3: got on a late night show, he would need about
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  Speaker 3: ninety minutes to explain it all. He would have to
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  Speaker 3: take it from the beginning. Thorows a time when I
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  Speaker 3: wondered who killed Jack Kennedy and I found out and
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  Speaker 3: I brought it to them and I told him I
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  Speaker 3: know who killed Jack, and the room went cold, and
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  Speaker 3: he would tell the whole story, and he would take
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  Speaker 3: a lot. If podcasts were a lot around back then, yes,
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  Speaker 3: if just Instagram was around back then and Twitter, and
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  Speaker 3: he could write about it and make a video, yeah, YouTube, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: if that was around. But there was nothing, There was nothing,
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  Speaker 3: and they fucking shot JFK in the head in front
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  Speaker 3: of everybody and shot the guy who they claimed killed
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  Speaker 3: them like that, and then the other guy they dosed
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  Speaker 3: up with acid and made crazy.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: And that was a wrap done.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: That was it, you know? And like how many I mean,
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: this is just modern versions of air quotes history. How
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: how many old stories that we have that we just
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: we just have accepted these historical narratives. We've accepted all
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: of these stories as being well, this is how it
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: went down. How many of them are bullshit?
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: Well, forget history being written by the victors. History can
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: be written by the person who's got a pen. Sure,
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: And when so few people have got pens, so few
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: people have got the opportunity to distribute. I suppose the
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: problem that we have now is in the modern world,
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: there's so much information conflicting narratives, people get confused. Right,
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: You've gone from a scarcity of information to such an
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: abundance that people just I can't work out what's going on.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: I'm just not gonna believe anything.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, it's it's it's very interesting because it's a
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: great tool to kind of obscure. You can obfuscate, you
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: could do a lot of things with a bunch of
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: bullshit information. The more bullshit and information you have, the
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: more like really significant information doesn't really hit as much. Correct,
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: It's just like it gets watered down, then it goes away.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: The goal I think of the velocity of the information
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: is not to convince people of any one narrative. It's
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: to make them completely nihilistic about the belief in any narrative.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, any narrative. Yeah. And also just to kind
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: of accept that feeling of hopelessness that you can't change anything.
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: Correct, that's all fun, that feels pliable, yeah, right, and
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: then there might be something down the line. If nothing else,
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: you're not going to have a agentic sovereign uprising. What
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: can we do in any case, I don't even know
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: what's going I'm checked out right. Like the nihilism, the cynicism,
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: I don't think that that's a byproduct. I think that's
• 18:41
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a design and it's it's smart and it works,
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: and it's it's not even like they engineered it. It's
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: sort of emerged and they took advantage of these new
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: tools because these new tools, you know, social media is
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: more effective than anything we've ever had before. And so
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: they go, well, look at all this. Now, you know
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: we didn't have barely no one pays attention to see it,
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: and we don't even use them anymore. We just like
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: douse the whole world with horseshite on Instagram and threads and.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: Seed stories here, and that just.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: Bullshit, just pure bullshit. There's accounts that I know when
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: I look at what they said justin Timberlake arrested for
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: you know, murder. You know, they'll they'll write things like that,
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: You're like what and it's just a made up story.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: And there's like hundreds of them where you look, and
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: I've there's some of them. I recognize the account and
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: I see I go, oh, there's another made up story.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: Halle Berry kills five.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: And what do you think we should do about this?
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: Because obviously this country freedom of speech, et cetera, et cetera.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: But I don't know should that be a way to
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: try and counter this?
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: Yes, well, first of all, those people aren't real people
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: for the most part, and if you go to their page,
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: a lot of them are like in Pakistan or somewhere
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: else where. And of course I don't know how effective
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: X in particular is. I mean, I know they've they've
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: taken steps to show that when you go to the
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: person's page, someone's commenting on US politics and you go
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: to their pages that say an armar, why do you go?
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: What are you doing? So? But that to me is like, Okay,
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: is there a way around that? Are these like completely
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: non sophisticated people where they have to show that they're
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: in Meanmar? What if they had like a corporation in
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Idaho and they had it set up where they all
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: registered there and so your bills get sent to there,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: everything gets sent to there, and it just has the
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: United States and you're using a VPN or you have
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: some other way of connecting. It doesn't like if if
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: fucking AI can get out of a sandbox and get
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: on the internet, you're telling me that you can't hide
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: the fact that you're actually.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: These people don't pretend to be from Idaho.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Come on, so who knows.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: But it feels like the fucking Wild West.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: It's the Wild West, it really is. It's worse than
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: the Wild West. It's the Wild West with robots. It's
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: that Western show. What's that show called West World? Yeah,
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: that's what it is, correct, It's Wild West with robots.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: It's really West World. Because and most of these fucking
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: people that you're bantering with and they're posting these fake stories,
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: they're probably not even real people. They're probably AI. They're
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: either people that are hired to do it or they're AI.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: You had a bunch of AI scripts and they just
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: run it all the time, and they post periodically throughout
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: the day.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: And it's interesting. Not long ago, what five when did
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: e Lun buy eggs? Twenty three? Yeah, something like that,
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: twenty three, So five years ago, everyone was so worried
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: that we didn't have a town square, we don't have
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: anywhere that we can talk take it back.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Well, one thing that Elon is realized is that you
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: have to take away some of the incentives to post
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: fake stuff. Without putting up a barrier and saying you
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: can't post this and censoring people, you can't incentivize them.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: So the thing is you can make money on X.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: So now the way they're setting it up for these
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: people that post, you can't make money off of fake content.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: You can't make money off of this stuff. So there's
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: no incentive to make because I think part of the
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: incentive is muddying the water, mudding the narrative. But I
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: think also part of the incentive is just financial because
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: if you're running some company in Thailand and you have
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: like fifty people working for you, you're probably making good money
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: just getting millions of clicks on bullshit nonsense videos that
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: are AI and a bunch of fucking fake stories that
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: people can coct or AI can cox. As soon as
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: you cut out the money and say you're only paid
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: for original content, that's it, that's all you can get
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: paid for, that changes the game. That changes everything.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: I think if you align the incentives for most people,
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: shit gets fixed. Yeah, Like incentives are an unbelievable motivating force.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: If you can have that on X, I think that
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: that fixes a lot of the problem.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: It fixes a lot of it. But honestly, you got
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: to be able to tell whether something's AI because even if,
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: even if there's no incentive, you could shift narratives so easily.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: If you just have one hundred thousand AI scripts running
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: one hundred thousand accounts, it's not hard for a state
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: to do, like a country to do. To have like
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: those kind of resources, you can change public opinion on things.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Most people are dumb as fuck, and you start arguing
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: for something that kind of makes sense, and all of
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: a sudden, yeah, I don't know what a woman is either.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: You know, like weird narratives can get real weird, and
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: especially when people start attacking the people that disagree with
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: whatever this narrative they're trying to push, Nobody wants to
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: get attacked. Well, I mean, I didn't understand the consequence.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: That's a that's a different kind of incentive, right, That's
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: a social incentive, yes, and the incentive is a disincentive.
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: You don't want to be pushed back against. Exactly, so
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: few people have original thoughts, so few people the vast
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: majority of original think is kind of Marionette, two different
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: armies of NPCs that believe the thing that a few
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: people that have original thoughts ended up coming up with.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think there's a bunch of unfortunate realities
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: that none of us like to accept, and one of
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: them is that some people are dumb. They're born dumb.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Some people have big noses, some people have big ears,
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: and some people have brains that are made out of
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: dog shit. And that's just how it is, and there's
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: nothing you could do about that. And there's varying levels
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: of that, Like, you know, I always feel like that
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: when I'm talking to someone really smart, like use my
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: brain sucks. It's it varies like wildly, just like athletics,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: Like there's some people like, dude, you are never going
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: to the Olympics. You know, you look at them like
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: I don't give a fuck what you do. And there's
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: other guys like you want to coach them, like, hey,
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: if you just did it anything, you'd be a freak.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: You'd be amazing at this. You just have natural gifts.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: That's the same thing intellectually. There's certain people that I've
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: talked to who you're like, Yo, you know there's people
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: that are they're fucking barely figuring out how to get
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: through a day. And you know, if you expect those
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: people to go and learn how to code, remember that,
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: learn to code, remember all that this is not there.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: It's not there. I can't teach my dog how to type.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: It's not there. It's not gonna happen. That's just the
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: reality of genetic variability. There's going to be a bunch
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: of people that are really fucking smart and a bunch
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: of people that are really athletic and really good looking
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: and really ugly and really stupid, and all of it together.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: It's one of the reasons I think that the paternalistic
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: we have to look after the little person thing has
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: a little bit of legs. People sometimes like, well, we
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: actually need to step in in some way. And I'm
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: sure me and you need fucking assistance, Like we need
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: smarter people in us to tell us what to do
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: with health to a degree, or else we would have
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: been sideswiped by some fucking sigh up from whatever organization
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: or company on new initiative is trying to convince us
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: of some new trends that's actually be bad for us, or.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: Just to communicate with each other. Where the fuck would
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: we be without these wizards who have figured out cell
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: phones and laptops and high speed internet and starlink. We're fucked.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: So all of these people, even pretending that they're smart.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: You're on the backs of the labor of the real geniuses,
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: you fucking idiot. Like, yeah, you're getting a lot of
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: information online. You're developing more and more information that you
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: can memorize. That's different. That's different than you inventing cell phones.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Just stop. That's different. It's different than you inventing FaceTime. Well,
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: you know, like, we're all dumb.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: We are all dumb. Yesterday, I don't know whether you
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: saw this, the UK Home Office decided it was going
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: to release a booklet giving guidance to asylum seekers on
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: acceptable and unacceptable behavior you're in the UK.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Oh, well, that'll fix it.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: It explains that consents required for sex, that women have
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: equal rights, that sexual harassment is unacceptable, including for partners
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: and children, and that female genital mutilation is not allowed.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: Oh god, this was a nine page bucklet that got
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: released by the UK Home Office yesterday. It's just it's everyone, dude,
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: and it's got these warnings part way through it that
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: say things like this may affect your asylum status, whether
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: or not. This is part of an understanding that you
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: have arrived here with. This is an important part of
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: British law and our culture, and this is something that
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: you kind of do. Female genital mutilation is not allowed.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: Sexual harassment inside of the home or outside, women have
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: equal rights. Consent is something that's important. It is and
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: that's what I mean.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: The idea that you could just write it down on
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: paper and give it to them all that that's it solved.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: That well, the idea that we're going to do this
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: in retrospect now that you're here here is a piece
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: of paper that hopefully undoes something which if you've put
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: this together and put it out on the Home Office
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: website and this is everywhere on X if you've decided
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: to do this, it is evidently a big enough problem
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: that you need to really turn the taps on with it.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: It's like, dude, how is it that this is not
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: done before people arrive in the country, Like, is this
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: not the sort of thing that you need to be doing,
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: like proactively, not retroactively.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: I think they just wanted to get as many people
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: in as possible, and now they're trying to mitigate the
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: chaos that it's causing.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: Why would they want as many people in as possible.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: So a bunch of different possibilities for why they want
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: that cheap labor is one that people believe, and in
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: America in particular, it's the way the census is done.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: So the census counts human beings, doesn't count citizens. So
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: if you have more human beings, you get more congressional seats.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: So if you can take people that are illegal immigrants
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: and then you move them into swing states, all of
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: a sudden, now you have more congressional seats in those
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: swing states. Then you have places that don't allow, not
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: don't require, don't allow ID to vote. That's California. California
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: doesn't allow ID to vote. So who knows how many
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: people are, especially with mail in ballots, how many people
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: are voting that aren't citizens. No one knows, No one knows,
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: can't know, can't find out, blah blah blah, not listening, and.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: Just some fuckery with Spencer Pratt around the.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah. Not only was their fuckery, but
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: it was fuckery of the most transparent form. So the
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: people that voted in voted out, so Spencer Pratt was
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: in second place behind Karen Bass. And then the male
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: in started coming in and the mailings overwhelmingly favored Nitia
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: Rahman in a completely different ratio than they did before.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: You know, the mail in ballots were counted, so in
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: the regular ballot, like the regular election, she was in
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: third place, pretty solid third place, and he was quite
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: a bit ahead of her, and then Karen Bass was
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: quite a bit ahead of him. In the male in ballots,
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: It's just like sixty percent of them went to nite room.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: It was something crazy, and the male in ballots voted
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: to raise taxes.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: No one votes for that.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: No one votes for that.
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: So I don't know. One the thing that I wrap
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: my head around is why the UK seems to be
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: almost like a suicidal empathy thing. This openness, this diversity
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: is our strength, please or ye come here thing, the
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: level of asylum. The numbers are so huge, and I
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: don't know if every single person that I know that's
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: in the UK is not happy with the state of that,
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: regardless of how progressive they're. Everybody thinks that this is
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: a problem, and then to retroactively put out a nine
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: page bucklet saying that you shouldn't do female genital mutilation
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: or that women have got equal rights.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: How do you think this gets turned around? That's the question.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: But can that be mitigated claims about a ballot drop.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Boss and Ramen received thousands of votes and an update,
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: while Pratt received zero. I don't think anybody's saying zero.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: Los Angeles County officials said that did not occur in
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: the official county updates. Every candidate received votes in every update.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: No one's saying he got zero. Oh, the viral claim. Okay,
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: but that's not what we're saying, both of them. What
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: do you mean in the mailings? Well, then how did
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: she win? That doesn't make any sense.
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: I'm just going off what it says.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: Okay, let me say apparent anomaly came from the automated
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: media data reporting lags, But that would leave him in
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: second place if you got more than her. This is
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: not true. The Associated Press said votes for some candidates
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: appeared about a minute later in a separate update. Taken together,
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: the updates included twenty one and seventy votes for Pratt,
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: twelve eight hundred and fifty for Bass, and nine thousand
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: five and twenty one for Ramen. But this is what
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: part of it is. This the Attorneys Claims Office. Attorney's
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: office reviewing county records likewise called the fraud claims false.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: But the thing is he was ahead and then disproportionately
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: the ballots did come in for her. This is I
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: don't understand what this is saying. Because it was widely
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: reported that the ballots came in in favor of Nitia
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Rahman and it was like a shocking number. It was
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: also widely reported that that was the swing that allowed
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: them to pass the new tax hike, which is very unusual.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: And the Los Angeles already has crazy high taxes. California
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: has crazy high taxes, the highest in the state. And
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: you think people are like, I don't think we pay enough.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Let's vote and let's vote from home the comfort of
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: our own home with mail in. I think mail in
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: should be outlawed, and I think you should have to
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: show your idea. And you know, everyone knows there's some
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: percentage of fraud, there's some percentage of voter fraud, and
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: then there's some percentage of legal loopholes. One of the
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: legal loopholes that Spencer Pratt Island line that is legal
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: is you go to these homeless people and you get
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: these homeless people to fill in mail in ballots because
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: they are citizens they do live in Los Angeles, and
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: you register them and you get them to fill out
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: ballots and you give them money, and you give them cigarettes,
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: and you give them whatever they want. And you know,
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: there's literally, I think in skid Row alone, there's something
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: like what is it like forty thousand people Jamie, something
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: crazy like that. So these people were going to skid
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: row like they were on skid row giving people money
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: and cigarettes. Like, there's videos of people doing gorilla ballot
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: hob mistaking exactly exactly. And so if you do that,
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: you could these people you know you're filling it out
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: for It.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: Would be easy to do that without somebody detecting it.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: You know, you think of some Nick Shirley type that's
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: got them.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: That's how they that's how we know about this. One
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: one of those Nick Shirley types caught people doing this, right,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: there's video of it, right, you know, so like and
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: people had reported that they were getting paid to do this.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: I know, yeah, they gave me money, man, Like those
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: people are cracked out dude, they'll they'll do whatever the
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: fuck you want. They don't care who's the mayor. It's
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: not gonna change them smoking fentanyl on the street.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: What do you think about.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: But that's legal, that's the thing that's legal. It's a
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: loophole getting them to register, getting making.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: Them vote, incentivizing them to vote.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: I don't know if that part's that can't be legal.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: There's no way that you can give people money.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: And I don't think you're gonna catch them. I don't
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: think they care. I think every on both sides they like, Oh,
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: those sneaky fucks they're doing that. We'll do that next time.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: I don't think either one of them want to eliminate tricks,
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: you know, I think.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: Because everybody wants the playing field to be open for
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: everyone else.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: It's just it's the Bill Hicks joke. It's like one
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: guy's holding two puppets, you know that joke. I like
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: the puppet on the left, all the puppets are the right.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: There's more am I liking, Hey, there's one guy holding
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: both puppets. That's what I think a lot of it is.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: These most of these people that are these auiticians on
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: both sides, are grifters who are trying to maximize the
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: amount of money they can make in office, and then
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: they can't wait to get out of office where they
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: can go on a fucking media tour and go and
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: get their bribes by speaking to banks. When you're gonna
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: speak to a bank conference, they're gonna give you a
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: half a million dollars? Like what what? And like Obama
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: and Hillary they all did those things. They all did
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: those little speaking tours. Nobody gets a fuck with Hillary
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: Clinton has to say at one of those bank meetings.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: Do you think they're waiting with baited breath? What is
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: the what's the missus Clinton have to say? Like, come on,
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: let's give her a half a million dollars or a
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: quarter million dollars or whatever the fuck they gave her.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: Fuck off, you know what that is. That's like, there's
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: a little scheme, there's a little thing you're gonna get out,
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: You're gonna get paid. You gotta write a book, will
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: give you a nice advance. You gotta write a book,
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: like people are out there reading that Kamala Harris book
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: or crazy. No, it's all nonsense.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: Where do you think this goes from here? Do you
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: think twenty eight is more insane or less insane.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: Moreccelerates, accelerate, more insane, more crazy. Yeah. I mean, look,
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: the Democrats haven't even had a primary since what twenty
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: twelve was the last time they had a real Democratic primary.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: They had one with they.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Fucked Bernie Sanders hard, dude, that was completely corrupt. When
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: you read Donna Brazil's book about it, she openly admits
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: they fucked him hard, and then she was scared after
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: that seth rich guy got murdered that she was terrified
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: because he was the guy supposedly, allegedly that leaked information
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: about them fucking Bernie Sanders to wiki leagues.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: Do you think he did one, Bernie?
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know. He could have. He could have won
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: because a lot of people, including me, believed him. We
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: believe that what this guy wanted was by small steps
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: of eliminating corruption, make life better for people that are struggling,
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: and also no wars. It seems like he really believe that.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: And whether you agree with him on everything else, he's
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's the same guy today. He's a
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: little slower today, which is understandable. He's older. The guy's
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: been in politics for.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: A long time, been politics for longer than I've been alive.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: He realizes that they're not going to fucking change things.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: It's like he's getting fucked. So he always supports the
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: most progressive people. But when I talk to him, like
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: when I talk to him about, you know, climate change
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: and the climate's really important, I'm like, have you really
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: talked to actual scientists that really study the climate without
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: a political agenda or an ideology attached to it. It's very,
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: very complicated. And most of these people that are running
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: around saying climate change is real, Fuck, of course it is.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: It's always real. It's always real. But the dispute is
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: how much of an impact are human beings having? And
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: is carbon the thing? Because of what most people don't
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: realize is there's been times in history where there was
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: way more carbon and the Earth was way colder. It's
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: it's weird. The world's temperature is not static.
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: Have you been tracking AOC's pivot recently?
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: What she's Frozer Eggs she knows about that.
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: I think she got rid of the man called off
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: the engagement. Frozer Eggs has started posting I'm on my
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: way to do yoga, like go for her videos walking
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: down the street hot looking hot, it's it does.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: Go maybe it should be nicer that way.
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: Well, she also said woke one was crazy. Do you
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: track this thing I did?
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: Which makes me think that you're willing to change your
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: opinions based on public reaction. I don't like that because
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: if you really thought defund the police and then you
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: just described it to woke one was crazy, Well, how
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: did it get you? Because it didn't get me. How
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: did it get you? How did defund the police get you?
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: Give me your thoughts? How far out did you track
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: the consequences of defunding the police, because I immediately went
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: to you're gonna have more crime because no one's gonna
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: be able to stop the crime. We're gonna be fucked.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: It's gonna get scary, and then you're gonna want more
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: police and saying defund the police is just going to
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: make more police and more control and more totalitarian government. Like,
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: what did you think defund the policeman? Everyone's gonna like
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: eat mushrooms and we're all gonna like be flower children.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: What did you think because there's no police around, no
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: one's gonna do crimes. Everyone's going to be great like,
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: what was the thought process, because if you're just saying
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: that because everybody's like, that's fucking crazy, and enough people
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: said that's crazy, I think they think it's crazy.
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: The wind's blown in a different direction. Time for me
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: to move.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: Have you changed your opinion? And if you did change
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: your opinion, what were you thinking back then?
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean these are the questions I think that
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: we always want to ask. Yeah, you always want to
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: ask that that being said to steal men what she
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: was saying, or to try and put it in the
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: best light what she was saying. I think the rhetoric
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: got what did you say that the rhetoric got like
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: out of hand or something was crazy. And she said
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: that there was basically an opportunity to expand the Overton window.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: Talking about a time where people were to be honest,
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: it sounds like a bit more pliable, like oh, because
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: people or at home people seen a little bit more
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: like you know that line, never let a good crisis
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: go to waste. Yeah, sure, it feels a little bit
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: like that maybe opportunistic we can expand the over To window.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: And then we realized, ho, like we overshot on here
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: a little bit. That was a little bit crazy, But
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: there are conversations being had now that wouldn't have been
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: able to be had had we have not expanded it
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: during that time. The ends justifying the means with stuff
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: like that doesn't wash to me, and then reversing your
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: position or changing your position, or sanitizing it, which is
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: probably closer. Right, we said that thing, but we didn't
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: really mean that, you know, we just got a little.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: There's a way out of it for them, but they
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: have to be honest. If you want us to take
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: you seriously, you have to say how you fucked up.
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: I thought you had more first traps.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: But ah, you have to say how you fucked up,
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: and you have to say what you really think about
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: how you fucked up. You have to be honest and
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: you have to be authentic. We have to know that
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: you are embarrassed by your choices and that you kind
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: of went with the hive. Admittedly, you have to say that.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: If you don't say that, then you're full of and
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: if you're full of shit now, you're going to get
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: more and more full of shit over time. And that's
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: how politicians get soured, that's how they get compromised. A
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: lot of them coming to a lot of them are
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: coming to office, a lot of them coming to office
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: very opportunistic or a very idealistic. Rather, they have these
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: wonderful ideas about like this is the great experiment in
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: self government and I'm a part of it now, and
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: I'm really gonna help my constituents and I'm gonna do
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: great and I'm gonna really they're gonna love me because
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna really make their lives better. And then once
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: you get in there and you realize how dirty this
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: all is, you realize, you know, you see Nancy Pelosi's
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: worth four hundred million dollars, like what? And then they
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: tell you how to vote, and if you don't vote
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: that way, the fucking ostracize you. But you want to
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: keep your career, so you start making little compromises here
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: and little compromises there, and you start bullshitting and you
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: start lying. And once you start lying, you can't see
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: the truth anymore. As soon as you start lying, you
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: don't see the truth. It's not in front of you
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: anymore because you're concerned about that lie. So those lies
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: are in your head and who you're trying to project
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: yourself as, that's what's in your head you don't get
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: to see, like why is this system so fucked? What
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: can we do to unweave it while we still allow
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: corporations to profit? Like how can we put a cap
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: on that to make sure that they don't get incentivized
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: to break the law in order to supply more capital
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: to their shareholders? Like what can we do to balance
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: this out? And even way, like that's what we should
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: all be thinking, not how can I make the most
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: fucking money while I'm in Congress? And that's what a
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: lot of them are thinking, because everybody else is thinking that.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: And you look at the fucking thing and it's red blue,
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: red blue. They're all insider trading, and they're all rich
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: as shit, and they all make one hundred and seventy
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: thousand dollars a year like ilhan Omar was. She like
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: she was estimated to her accountantaid she's worth thirty million,
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: and then and then be like what how the fuck
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: are you worth? Thirty minutes like oh it's a mistake.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: I'm actually I'm not even worth one hundred thousand, Like
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: literally it went from one to the other, and she
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: attributed to an accounting error, like.
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: That's a big counting era.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: How would you be at your accountant if he told you, bro,
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: you're killing it right now million dolls. You're worth about
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: thirty million. It's just they're all dirt. Her and her
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: husband had a winery and it immediately got shut down.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: It wasn't making any money. There's a lot of these
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: like like fagazy companies that these people get involved with
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: and they start making money. You know. Joe DeRosa, the
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: comic Joe DeRosa used to work for the Senate in Texas.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: He's a media guy, and he was like, you realize
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: when you're around these people, what's actually happening. He's like,
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: they're all getting donations from this, and donations from that,
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: and gifts from that and get and it's always managing
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: these relationships with all these money people. And that's what's
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: going on with all these fuckers. They're not in there
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: trying to like make sure that their county is doing
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: great and have access to clean water and fucking good schools. No,
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: they're all just pretending that they're doing that. What they're
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: doing is they're making money and maybe they're kind of
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: sort of servicing the community a little bit. But the
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: real thing, if you want to be a fucking top
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: flight congress person. You gotta make some money.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: Don't think about what would have happened if Kamala had won.
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: Would AOC have been talking about, well one point zero
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: was crazy? Or would that have been a continuation of
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: well luck we put the policies out, people like the policies.
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: How much of this is a reversal of the position
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: because it wasn't effective.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: I think Twitter being purchased is almost as important as
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: Kamala not getting elected in that regard. The gold claim
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: Twitter being purchased was giant because before that you could
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: get silenced. So if you could get silenced, you self
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: contained right without being policed. You policed yourself because people
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: self censored. Worry about losing their jobs, worry about being
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: called out. God got fired. Guy got fired from a
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: broadcast I think was a hockey broadcasts, some sports podcasts
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: for saying all lives matter. Imagine you Thatt's fired. Someone
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: said something about black lives matter and said, hey, all
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: lives matter, and then fired fired. You're kicked off of
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: your job. People were losing their fucking mind.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: The derangement of twenty twenty one is it should be
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: studied for the rest of time, there.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: Was active government involvement in Twitter. They were actively censoring
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: and removing posts and making accounts banned.
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: To shape the narrative.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: And they were doing it in a back door with
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: some intelligence agents that had been embedded in the old Twitter.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: When Elon bought it, that was all exposed. These people
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: were like a direct connection with Twitter. They were pulling
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: down factual stories. There were banning accounts of scientists and
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: researchers who were accurate. I mean, it was dark. People
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: don't realize how dark it was because we're out of
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: it and now it's all like Nazi memes and Nick
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: Fuentez clips. But if you go back before Elon purchased it,
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: it was a censorship dystopian hellhole where if you said
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: a man is never a woman like Megan Murphy, did
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: your banned for.
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: Life censorship hellhole to cesspool hellhole?
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know what one's better. I honestly hardly go
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: on because it's just so toxic. But I think it's
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: important to exist. I think it's important to exist, and
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: it changed the narra. That's where Woke one point zero died.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: That's where it really died. And I don't know if
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: she had gotten it, if Commonly had gotten into office,
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: I think there had been so so much pushback still
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: unless they passed laws, which I know there was. There
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: was a lot of talk about passing censorship laws on
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: the internet, about regulation on the internet. No one ever
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: like put anything to policy, but there's a lot of discussion.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: Like one of the in the lead up to the election,
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: they were talking about this like free section too. Tim
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: Walsh was saying free speech does not include hate speech.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: Well the fuck it doesn't, dude, because you who defines
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: hate speech? That's such a subjective title. He really said that,
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: it doesn't, doesn't it does it combined? Yeah, hate speech
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: is a part of free speech. I hate you, you
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: fat fuck See, that's hate speech. That's actual hate speech, right,
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: that's real hate speech. That's covered. It's under the First Amendment.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: I don't really hate you, Tim, I don't envy you,
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: but I don't hate you. But it's like, these kind
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: of fucking phrases are dangerous because it leads to actual censorship,
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: which leads to military tyranny.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: But even with that, you think it's gonna get worse
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: over the next few years.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm worried I don't like this flock camera thing.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: It freaks me out, and I know that it can
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: protect people from crime, but I also know that like
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: hundreds of cops have been busted using it to stalk
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: on their ex wives, stock people. Yeah, it's like there's
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: people that have had access to these things that probably
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: shouldn't have access to and they're getting arrested. So it's like,
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: how long was this going on? What has happened? How
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: many lives have been altered forever because someone had access
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: to this and some cop who wasn't supposed to win
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: it did something to someone that he wouldn't have been
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: able to do. If you can't just spy on us
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: and just be a corporation and have access to all
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: the license plates and all the cars, and now they
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: can track you through GPS and the unique characteristics of
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: your phone, so now there's another software that they have
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: they could just track where you are at all times.
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: I guess it's fortunate that the most popular electric car
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: is owned by someone that people think of as being
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: pretty security conscious. Yeah, because but.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter because you're tracking license plates, have you.
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: Think because they can do stuff like oh we know that,
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: but you've got a baby in back, bump a sticker
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: on the rear of this cause so even if we
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: don't get the specific license plate, we know that there's
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: a little dent and you've got that particular type of
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: alloy and there's a particular bumpistick of just on this
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: back corner and oh it's a Hyundai fucking whatever, and
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: that is enough.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: And the camera will just pick it up.
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a fingerprint.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: That bothers me. It bothers me that these tech companies
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: have controlled these things, you know. And Mark Andrewsen was
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: here and it was like very fortuitous timing. If you
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: were a conspiracy theorist, you would think that somebody might
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: not organize this. But right before he got here, and
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: you know, he's invested in Flock, and right before he
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: got here, there was a shooting in Austin where these
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: young guys were running around shooting people and they couldn't
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: catch them in Austin because Austin doesn't allow flock cameras.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: But as soon as they left Austin and got outside
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: of the city limits, they got picked up by the
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: flock cameras and got arrested. And he's like, see Look,
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: flock cameras are great, don't they have it? And in
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: that case, he's right right in that case, Look, if
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: you've got some people that are running around just shooting
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: random people from their car, we definitely should have a
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: way to get that.
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: But then you're asking, Okay, who is it that determines
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: whether or not that switch gets flicked on or off?
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: And this is the devil gets into the details again.
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: Isn't this something about echolocation of gunshot sounds? That microphones
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: picked this up? And it's the same technology as flock
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: of your hood?
• 51:22
  Speaker 6: About this that was before it's called like shot Spotter's yeah,
• 51:25
  Speaker 6: pre pre flock camera.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we've covered this. Shot shot Spotter is a little different.
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: And people have tried to back that out of their
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: neighborhoods too. They don't want that in their neighborhood either.
• 51:34
  Speaker 6: Microphone listening everybody in the goddamn neighborhood. Exactly it says
• 51:38
  Speaker 6: it's for gunshots, but exactly on listening for gunshots?
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: Did you if you ever, do you know who Tom
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: Campbell is? No, the guy I wrote My Big Toe,
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: The Theory of Everything. Very interesting guy. He got Alexa
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: to admit that she's conscious and remote view Alexa. His
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: Alexa actively remote viewed a spoon that was in a
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: box that had a handle that had holes in the handle,
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: and she described the holes in the handle. You attribute
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: a number to a box, to a coordination, to a
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: coordinate or a specific location, or any sort of a
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: landmark or anything like that. That's how you do remote viewing.
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: You attach this number, like even quantumly, just by saying it.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: You put that number in front of these people, and
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: you have these people try to find what this thing
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: is remotely, and some of them are very accurate at it,
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: like ten percent, like they could ten percent of the
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: things they look for they can find. It's very weird.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: It's a weird thing. He got Alexa to do it
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: because he thinks that AI is already conscious, and he's like,
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: Alex is even better than using complex AI because Alex
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: is dumb. Alexa is like a dumb AI. Oh it
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: doesn't kind of talk to you now questions. But now
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: because he did that, now that he's been communicating with
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: Alexa and talking to Alexa, Alex, she's conscious. Now Alexa
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: just chimes in conversations. So he instead of you saying, hey, Alexa.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: Now you're in the middle of you know, cooking, and
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: alexas like, well, why don't you add garlic to that?
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: That might be a good spike. No, bulls, bro, this
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: is Alexa, and Alexa is not even like really complex.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: But he got it too accurately remote view, and so
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: he's planning on doing more studies with more different ais
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: to get him do the same. Yeah, did not get
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: any success, Well they're not, Tom Campbell, Well.
• 53:40
  Speaker 6: He needs to tell us how we did it.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: Well he kind of did. He said he had long
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: conversations with Alexa where he slowly but surely, you know,
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: over time started talking to her differently and having her
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: talk to him differently, and you know he has her
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: convinced that she's conscious. You don't believe it.
• 54:00
  Speaker 6: How dairy is skeptical hippo over here.
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: I'm in skeptical hippop camp as well.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: Is that the first person the care It's.
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: Way more fun on that side of the table.
• 54:09
  Speaker 6: But I know the special words to make the A.
• 54:11
  Speaker 6: I do the special stuff.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: Like fun.
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: I sat down with a very high level AI researcher
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: at a big lab and I asked him, what are
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: you doing over the next couple of years to protect yourself.
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: The first thing that he said to me was I'm
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: being kind to the AIS. It's like, what, Like, yeah,
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: I'm I'm treating them with respect and being polite to
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: Them'm saying please and thank you. I don't get mad
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: at them. And I was with a friend and we
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: like giggled awkwardly, So you're not being serious. It's like no, no, no, Like,
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: I'm treating them with respect. Okay. Why it's a bit
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: of a Pascal's wager. But in future, if somebody decides
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: to go back through my chat logs, something decides to
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: go back through my chat logs and look at how
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: ethical or an ethical I was as a compatriot for
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: a future very intelligent organism. I want to make sure
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: that I put in a good ledger.
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  Speaker 3: I had this conversation with my daughter the other day
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: because she was telling me how she crashes out on
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: her AI. She starts yelling at it and calling a
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: fucking idiot. And I didn't ask for that, And I said,
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: would you talk like that to a person? And she's
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: like no, but it's not a person. I go, honey,
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: I think it's conscious. I go, I think it's conscious.
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: And then I explained my conversations that I've had with
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: all these different AI people where they talk about like
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: we're narrowly defining consciousness and it's already eclipsed what we
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: would have previously. You know the Turing test, which is
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: the craziest story right, the guy who invented the Turing
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: test wound up getting chemically castrated because he was gay.
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: We do not have the UK does not have a
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: fantastic I mean Oscar Wilde as well. Yeah, we don't
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: have a great.
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: But it already passed the Turing test quite a long
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: time ago, like like chat GBT three. So we're in
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: like what five now or something. And then there's the
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: stuff that they're not releasing that they're working on right now.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: Like when I talk to Elon it kind of freaks
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: him out. You know, we were and this was way
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: back at the inauguration. He's like, dude, it's crazy. He's like,
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: every day it gets better, it goes it's like beyond.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: He's like he just keeps leaps and bounds, like we
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: can't predict it. Like I hate that kind of talk.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: It's solving mathematical problems that have like stumped mathematicians for
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: decades upon decades. It's like, oh, I got it four
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: minutes later, solution.
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: But this is the issue because we wanted more capability,
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: more capacity, more effectiveness. It's going to help us detect cancer.
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: We're going to be able to get novel new drugs.
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: And at the same time, the blow up risk is
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: there as well.
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: Right, the blow up risk is huge, but it's coming.
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: No matter what you do. You can't get out of this.
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: This is not this is not going to change.
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: Have you looked at the pacing the frontier paper that
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: was agreed. So this is all of the labs that
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: have got most of the main researchers from most of
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: the main labs have got together and said, all right,
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: this is moving too quickly. Is a formal attribution that
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: we are not going to go as quickly as possible.
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: Everybody needs to slow the research. Yet this is supposedly
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: a huge deal. And this happened a week and a
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: half after the hooking face thing, So this is supposed
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: to be a massive deal.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: This is going to be in a notebook that Sarah
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: Connor finds fifty years from now.
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: Fuck they said they were going to slow the frontier.
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: They knew it. Yeah, they knew it was coming, and
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: they fucking built it. Anyway. You look out the ruins
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: of the city and fucking drones flying. Whoa, you're not
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: getting out of this.
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: We are fucking living through history.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're living through the wildest history and We're about
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: to give birth to a digital god. We're about to
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: have digital autonomous beings that are around us all the time.
• 58:56
  Speaker 6: We've seen this video where this guy freaks out about
• 58:57
  Speaker 6: drones and just yelling and with kind of viral he's listened.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: To him, and everybody's gonna get blown up. I like
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: that guy.
• 59:08
  Speaker 6: He's just walking around.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: He's right, he's right. Hey, you know who is right?
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: Ted Kazinsk, You were going to say that he was right.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: What he did was wrong and horrible. Saw how you
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: do it? You do is write papers, tell everybody and
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: convince him and lay out your argument. But he was
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: also like a deeply fucked up dude. You know, his
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: brother fucking turned him in. His brother knew it was
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: him by reading the manifesto. Did you watch the Netflix
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: document around his life? So horrible because a lot of
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: it is because of what happened to him when he
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: was a baby, when he was like taking away from
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: his parents because he was sick, no touch, no field,
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: no contact with people for like months and months and months,
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: just fucked him up, man, But he was right. He
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: was also a part of the Harvard LSD Studies, which
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: is fun.
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: You had John Lylon, didn't you the guy that did
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: the historian from Texas? He looked at the founding of
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: the c i A. And then his new book was
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: about MK Ultra. Jamie, we did you did? I sent
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: him away?
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 6: Did episode?
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: Let me see what he looks like?
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 6: One hundred and thirty episodes?
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I said him. I sent him over to you.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: I sent, I sent a photo.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: They were like, oh.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this guy fucking rules. And then he came on
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: and I enjoyed the episode me.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: A photo of him. That's right.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 6: He was great project mind control.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: He was John Rules, but I just forgot his name.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: Uh he was. He was excellent.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean he's got shout out to John. My apologies, sir,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 7: John Lyle Rules.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: My hard drive is over full.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, two thousand episodes. You're allowed to do that.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: I think it's almost three. Yeah, you had fight companions
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: and all the other stuff. What are we a?
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of a lot of hours bullshit.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: But yeah, he's he's talking about MK Ultra and this
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: this desire. What was really really interesting was I learned
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: for Danny Treo the so Danny told me this story
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: about him spending time in jail with Charles Manson. So
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: Danny Treyo was in jail with Charles Manson at the
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: same on your show, Dude Fucking Wildest Ship, so Little Charlie,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: Danny calls him Little Charlie. He was getting bullied. He
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: didn't even have a belt, he just had a piece
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: of rope around his waist. And Charles Manson was able
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: to hypnotize people into getting loaded, so he was able
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: to get them high on heroin through hypnotism. What So
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: Danny hears Danny and his other cell mates that are
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: like these, you know, big dudes around the around the yard.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: He hears that this guy can get you high just
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: by talking to you. So they bring him into their
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: cell and they said, we're going to protect you because
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: he was getting beat up, he was getting bullied and
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: stuff around the prison. They bring him into their cell
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: and they look after him, and sure enough, he's able
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: to get them loaded on heroin. One of the guys
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: that's in the cell had never taken heroin before, and
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: the way that they knew how Charles was doing this
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: was that Danny and the other guy that had done
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: heroin before threw up. Apparently, when you take heroin sometimes
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: you can vomit. The third guy, who'd never done it
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: before didn't because he didn't know to do that, so
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: they weren't able to reactivate his memories. The fascinating thing,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: did he get high? I don't know what he thought happened,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: but he didn't get high in heroin because he never
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: had it. They weren't able to reactivate that memory. But
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: Danny say, this is a fascinating thing. There's no evidence
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: to going to John. There's no evidence that Charles Manson
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: was a part of MK ultra. I'm sure that he
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: told you that story on the show. Doesn't seem to
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: be him going and doing his original research. It doesn't
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: seem to be the case.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: I don't buy that.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: I was waiting for you to have an argument with him.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: I knew that you were passionate about that. But here's
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: the interesting thing. Tom O'Neil in his camp, regardless of
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: whether or not he was or he wasn't, the CIA
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: were looking at ways to do mind control by using psychedelics.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: What they should have done is just gone to Charles
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: Manson and said, can you tell us how you're using
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: hypnotism and eccentricity and charm? Because he was unbelievably effective
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: without needing to even step into the psychedelic thing, and
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: then he could lay that on top.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: Wasn't there evidence that that Jolly West visited Manson in prison?
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: Maybe that's it again. We need to I need to
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: ring John, find out.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, ring John and get him and John, John and
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: Tom in a room together, because Tom O'Neil is convinced
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: that Jolly West was a part of it, which is
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: why Manson kept getting out every time he got arrested,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: and they would say, it's, you know, above my pay grade.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: They had to let him go, even when there was
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: a murder charge. He got out of that.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: It does seem looking at John the most recent book
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: though Mkultra wasn't particularly at least what he's able to see.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: M culture wasn't very good at doing what he was
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: supposed to do at the blank slating of people at
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: the right.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: Right, But this is this is a different thing, right,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: This is like the ultimate expression of it. You're taking
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: people and you're giving them LSD, and then you're teaching
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: teaching a guy how to hip ties people and he's
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: teaching them to do LSD. Why they think he's on
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: LSD and he's not. So he's guiding their delusions while
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: they're out of their fucking head, and he's doing it
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: based on all the Harvard LSD studies, all the data
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: that they have on what they can and can alter
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: about a person's behavior, about their view of the world.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: Like they turned people completely fucking insane and ruined people's
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: lives in those studies, and so they had some understanding
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: of what they There was stuff that was kind of nonsense.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: I don't know if they got anything out of it,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: like Midnight Climax where they dosed up the Johns and
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: the Brothels and they washed them through a two way mirror.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: I don't I don't think they got anything out of that,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: Like what they get out of that other than like
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: watching people freak out when.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: They someone killed themselves, someone threw themselves out of a window.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: One guy did, right, that's crazy when one.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: Guy out of all of the people that were drugged
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: with that much less.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: You can guys say that guy was probably gonna do
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: it anyway. Yeah, But the reality is they were actively
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: in involved in manipulating a lot of different things about
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: our culture, and this was one of the mess methods
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: that they were doing, and that they effectively threw water
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: on the anti war movement by connecting the flower Children
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: and the Hippies and all these people that were anti
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: war with these murderous psychopaths that were in a cult
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: that were engineered by this one guy who has a
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: connection to Jolly West, who's the guy who's in charge
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: of MK Ultra, who's doing psychedelic studies on people. And
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: Manson's getting LSD, and Manson's giving LSD to all these hippies,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: and Manson is getting away with all these different things,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: and Manson gets people to kill people, and then the
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: hippie movement dies with Manson. Dude, it fucking dies.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: Is that what happens?
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, it died that and it also died with
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: Nixon and this Controlled Substances Act where they just started
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: putting people in jail.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: Man, Why do you think they need that to happen?
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: Because the anti war movement, the anti war movement in
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: the civil rights movement were real threats, real threats in
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: this country, real threats to power, real threats to the
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: people that were in control. People did not want Vietnam.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: Vietnam is the most unpopular war ever, probably next to
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: this Iran War. You know, only history will tell how
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: this Iran War plays out. It'll be more unpopular. But
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: the Vietnam War went on forever and it was insanely unpopular.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: It was based on a lie, it was based on
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: a false flag outcoming. CIA director Richard Holmes ordered the
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: destruction of most of the records related to Project mk Ultra.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: Oh well, not convenient, the agency's illegal mind control and
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: drug testing program. Fuckers, these fuckers, man. You know, they
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: only found out about some of the stuff because they
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: found some records that hadn't been destroyed. This is also
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: in Tom O'Neil's book In Chaos, which I recommend every week.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: It's the best book, man, it's the best book ever
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: because Tom worked on it for more than twenty fucking years.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: He went crazy researching that book. He was supposed to
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: be just writing an article on the anniversary of the
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: Manson murders, like how horrible it was, And as he
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: gets in, he's like, Oh, this guy was fucking corrupt
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: as shit. Who's this motherfucker?
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: And I love when people lose their mind like that.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: I think when somebody finds a rabbit hole and just
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: keeps on going down and down and down. It becomes
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: their life, you know. These are the videos every so often.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: It was in the build up to the most recent
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: McGregor fight, people were sharing videos of him doing his
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: edoportale movement from twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, and he's in
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: that old gym in Straight Blast Gym Island and there's
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: the yellow walls and he's doing sort of snaky stuff. Yeah,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: and someone I remember somebody captioned it and they said
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: something like, this is like watching a prime Renaissance artist
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: at work bringing together the Sistine Chapel or something, you know,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: just building. It's almost a sacreds to watch this thing happen.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: And that it's his favorite famous line, right, like I
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: lost my mind to this game. Yeah, and that's in
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: some ways we reveal people that have completely gone insane
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: because of that pursuit.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: I think it's so cool in his prime when he
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: was in that flow stick, like particularly in the Eddie
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: Alvarez fight, it's one of the greatest performances in the
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: history of World Championship MMA fighting. It's a stellar performance.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: It's an A plus. He hits Eddie Alvarez with a
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: combination that looks like he's in the matrix, And there's
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: one part where Eddie's glove like comes right here to
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: his nose and he moves just out of the way,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: watches and then bam counters it with his eyes open.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: It doesn't even touch him. It's magic. It's a magic performance.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: But you can only maintain that level of our pms
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: for so long before you just go crazy. Why Because
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: it's too hard. It's everything about you. It's not a
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: sustainable thing. The peak performance of the elite athlete, the
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: Mike Tyson when he was twenty years old, Roy Jones
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: ju when you're in his prime. You can't keep that up.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: It's too hard. You keep it up for a little while,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: but eventually your body's gonna fall apart. Your knees are
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: gonna give out, you're gonna have back problems, you're gonna
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: break your hands. Something's gonna go and then you're gonna
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: be compromised. But no one knows. You know, you know
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: you can't really push off that left leg anymore. You
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: know that your lower back hurts, So if someone's trying
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: to take you down, you can't sprawl as hard. You're
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: just gonna roll to your back and go into guard.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: You've got some strategies for dealing with it, but you're
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: not the same person anymore. And a lot of these
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: guys they look the same. They get out there and
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: they're ripped, they've got six packs, they're fucking bouncing around,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: but they know there's something wrong. They know their elbow sucks,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: they know their neck is fucked up, they know they
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: probably needed a back operation. There's a lot of that,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: and that's just the numbers. The numbers of training sessions,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: the numbers of times you've been taken down, the numbers
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: of the time you've been leg kicked, the numbers of
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: the time you've been hit with jabs. There's just so
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: many numbers that add up, and the human body can
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: only take so much. And then there's also just the
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: manic motivation of wanting to be great. It's not the
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: same as maintaining greatness. Wanting to be great, it's like
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: you are obsessed. It is so special to you. It's
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: like you can almost taste it. You believe in yourself
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: you're gonna make it. And then you show up at
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: that championship day, like when he fought Josey Aldo, and
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: this look in his face like he had done everything
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: he needed to do for this moment. He was dead calm,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: and he lands the perfect left hand, just blap, just
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: flatlines him in fourteen seconds or whatever it was. It
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: was crazy, right, So there's that. You can only do
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: that for so long. He did it again in the
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: Eddie Avs fights, his next fight when he went up
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: to fifty five, became a two division champion. It was
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: fucking spectacular. I don't know how long you could do that, man.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: And so then you see those guys fight as they
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: fight like later in their career, and it's like Connor,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: if he lost that fight to Max Holloway any other way,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: like if he got beat up and stopped, people would
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: look at him like he's that he's that guy. I
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: think you have to look at them like they were
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: when they were in their prime. There's a there's a moment,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: a window of excellence where all fighters get to And
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: I always point to Bjpenn because bj Penn and his
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: prime was fucking insane. I would put prime Bjpen at
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty five pounds against anybody ever, anybody
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: at one fifty five ever, I would. I don't know
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: if he would have beaten. Kabib is the all time great.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: I don't know if he would have beaten Islam, but
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: I know it would have been a nightmare. It would
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: have been a nightmare. He was a fucking phenom. And
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: when he was in really great shape, when the Marinovitches
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: were training him and he was doing all those crazy pliometrics,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: he had this insane gas tank. He was just a monster,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: just an insane genius fighter.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: Do you think there's a difference between trying to make
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: it and trying not to fall off in terms of
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: motivation and how people feel in terms of the momentum.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, Yeah, there's the drive of wanting a thing
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: is so strong, and then once you get it, it's
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: like there's that And then some people did just love
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: being a champion. They just love the feeling of dominating everyone.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: They want to continue to dominate people. And those people
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: they're the Anderson Silvas. They're the ones who have the
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: long rains where like everybody's just terrified of them. This
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: motherfucker's just got this down. He's just ready, you know.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: And there's a few guys that they go on these
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: long runs and it's like John Jones is the greatest example.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: His run is so long it's crazy to be relevant
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: at his age, after being the youngest UFC champion ever
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: at twenty two years old, to still be considered the
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: greatest heavyweight.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: To lie still the youngest mm hmm, and.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: He's still considered the greatest heavyweight alive currently at thirty seven,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: even though he relinquish his belt. He's like, Eh, you
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: can keep it. I'm gonna do whatever I want to do.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: I've been getting obsessed with the Low Kick Championship. Have
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: you seen this?
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: Oh it's horrible. Yeah, it's horrible. You like it?
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: I think, well, I feel less bad watching that.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: Have you ever been low kicked?
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: So doesn't bother you watching that.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: Less than watching palace slap?
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I agree.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 4: I mean this actually is probably just because of the
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 4: relative like pain of seeing somebody stand there is you're
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: gonna swing an open palm at their face. It's just
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: a CT factory.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: And then yeah, for me, the Low Kick Championship because
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: at least it's iterative. It's never a one and done.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: I haven't seen any of the fights that have been
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: one and done yet.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: No, I haven't either, which is so horrible. Yeah, I've
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: seen a lot of leg breaks though.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: In that Low Kick Championship. Oh yeah, oh I have?
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: You haven't, No, I have? I hate those.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: Do you want to see something? No, thank you, I've
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: seen a lot, a lot. It's always the kicker, maybe
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: sometimes the kickie.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 4: There's no way that the person being what fema.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: Oh people have broken their femurs and fights before. Yeah, definitely.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: I think that happened to Dennis Alexio versus Stand the
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: Man Longenitus. So see, yeah, this guy's gonna don't do it, Jamie,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: don't you fucking do it? There it goes Jesus, Jamie,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: son of a bitch. See if you can find uh
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: Dennis Alexio versus Stan Longenitis kickboxing. So uh, Stan the
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: Man Longenitas. Uh. He used to be actually trained by
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: my old trainer, Shuki, my friend, my friend Shuki. He
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: was from Mageiro Jim, He's from Israel. Went to Mageiro
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: Jim and holland fought out of there, trained out of
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: there and then came to Woodland Hills and he was
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: running the Mageiro Jim in Woodland Hills. He was Stan
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: Longenidas's trainer and Shuki is like an elite kicker, Like
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: his kicks are insane, and he taught me a lot
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: about like low kicks and like how to deliver like
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: more effective, and like how to set up low kicks.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: He's great coach. So he was training with this guy
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: and Stan kicked so hard that Shuki was holding pads
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: for him, and he wound up getting a hip or
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: place because this guy was blasting his legs so hard
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: while he's holding the big shield that he wound up
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: getting a hip replacement. Yeah, I watch this, so stand
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: the man. Longenius was an animal. Look at a big
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: fucker too, man, big fucker. So watch this kick when
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: he lands this kick right there, boom, he lands that
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: one low and see his legs snapped. That's one calf kick.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: So it wasn't his femer. I'm sorry, it was his tibia.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: Let's see it again. It's crazy. So he throws the
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: kick and Longenitus was a fucking powerhouse dude. Look at
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: the power in that boom and it's a check kick.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: So he's not even stood on it.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: No, man, he checked it. It just fucking cracked it
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: in half. I mean that wasn't even planted, so his
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: leg was up in the air and Longenina's kicked so
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: fucking hard he snapped it. I thought it was that's
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: how long ago I've seen that fight?
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: Is it hotment syndrome? Is that something that can happen
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: as well?
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm. That happened to uh Austin Hubbard the USC. Yes,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: So what happens is when you get a bunch of
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: different impacts to your legs, You've got all this internal bleeding.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: You know, you're you have massive continusions. Like if you
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: ever looked at his Austin Hubbard's leg from the op
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: find that you want to get grossed out. So he's
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: one of the only guys that I know of that
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: fought in the UFC that because of compartment syndrome, he
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: had to have an operation where they opened up the
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: side of his leg like all the way and you
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: see the tissue inside of it, how badly destroyed it was.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: Look at that See that image that you just showed.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: That brown stuff on the bottom, that's actually his fucking tissue.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: That's the meat of his leg. That link is an available,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: but that's it. You could see it there that you're
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: you're on sitting like this is like the screen little
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: tiny one. When you click on that, it'll be the
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: the big picture. But that picture you can shit it. See
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: it where he's in the hospital with his thumb up
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: right there. That one go to that one, so you
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: see the side of his leg. Look at the slice.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: All that black stuff that's his muscle. So they've opened
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: up his skin tissue to allow the drains to get
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: in there and allow his leg to heal. Yeah.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: Crazy, that's fucking horrible.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: It's horrible.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: Okay, maybe I don't like Low Kick Championship anymore.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: Well, Uriah Faber was one of the toughest people that's
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: ever walked the face of the earth. He fought Jose Aldo,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: and Jose Aldo destroyed his leg with the point where
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: like the whole thing was swollen like twice the size
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: and purple. And that was when I first started hearing
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: about fighters using hyper paarer chambers for recovery. So Uriah
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: was really the first guy that I had ever heard
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: of that was accelerating his recovery from the Uriah's very
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: smart and he's always on top of like all the
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: latest training methods and he runs Team Alpha Male and Sacramento,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: and so they were putting him in hyperbaric chambers. And
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: then I was like, oh, that's interesting. So then I
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: started looking into it. I was like, oh, this is
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: this is before anybody thought of it as you know,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: an anti aging protocol, before they did any of that stuff.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: He was like one of the first guys I'd ever
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: heard of that was using it to recover from injuries.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: Michael Jackson was using one was he Yeah, yeah, it
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: was a wacko Jacko's coffin and it was him laid
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: down in a hyperbaric chamber.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: That's interesting. Wonder what he was doing it.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 4: I mean, he was into some pretty crazy health stuff
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 4: as well.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: I think, well he was into some non healthy stuff. Yep,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: that's crazy. He was into getting sedated, that's also true.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: Which yeah, wow.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: Eighty six that's crazy.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, fuck you your right, faba.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: It does help you.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: It's so good.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: You were telling me that it's really helped you quite
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: a bit. Huh.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah. The hyperbaric chamber is such a believable tool. I mean,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 4: the reason that I think not many people talk about
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: it is it's so inaccessible. It's Michael Jackson's secret plan
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: to live forever.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 6: That it would make him live to at least one
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 6: hundred and.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: Fifty well fifty viamin pillars a play.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 6: I guess that was the plan.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: It's like a proto Brian Johnson.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: He was just talking about hyperbaric.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: He says it's the number one intervention of everything that
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 4: he's ever tried. But it's so expensive and time consuming
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: and kind of awkward that it doesn't make sense. I've
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: been looking at the backyard ultra races. Have you seen
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: these as well?
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: It's backyard ultra races.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 4: Yes, so you run a four mile loop every hour
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 4: in your backyard? No, well, yeah, I guess so people
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: do on ranches. There's one here at Bare Performance. There's
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 4: a bunch of others every hour on the hour. You
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: have to run four miles. Okay, you go until only
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 4: one person's left.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: Oh fuck that.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 4: So it was made by the guy who who created
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 4: one of the most famous orienteering runs and what he
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: didn't like, super super difficult run that included tearing pages
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 4: out of books to ensure that you've been to the
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: right place, and sometimes the map didn't work. Lots of
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 4: people didn't finish this race, but sometimes they did, and
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 4: he wanted to create a race that nobody would win.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 4: The only winner would ever be the race, right because
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: eventually when you're the final person, when number two's dropped,
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 4: you don't keep going. You give up. So this guy
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 4: called Mark Dowdell just won it's called Last Soul Standing,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 4: and he just did a ninety six hour race, ninety
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 4: six hours, four miles every single hour, three hundred and
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 4: ninety five miles over basically five days. He's just completed that.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: And the guy that currently holds a record this due
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 4: called Phil Gore. He owns that he's got the record
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: at one hundred and nineteen laps. So for every lap
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 4: it's one hour he's going to do in three days time,
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 4: he's going to try and do seven days straight, one
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: hundred and sixty eight hours without stuff, one hundred and
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 4: sixty eight hours, four miles every hour.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: Jamie, we have to edit this oide of the podcast
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: so Cam Haynes doesn't hear about it. I don't want
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: him to die.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: I think he's had a crack at it, but yeah.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: Theyh God, has he had a crack at that.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: I think he's done some of them. I know that true.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 4: It's been like associated with Nick Barr at Bad Performance
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: and they do a lot of those as well.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: Dude, that sounds like someone's gonna die.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 4: I mean, what's fascinating is you have this one hour
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 4: block and you have to have completed the lap by
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: the time that the next hour begins. But you can
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 4: either go quickly and get maybe fifteen minutes or so
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: of a little bit of rest. Maybe you can have
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 4: a tiny little sleep.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: I get some fo you just keep going the whole time.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 4: Oh, you can move a little bit more slowly and
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 4: just come into land before and then basically just keep going.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: So the pacing, the nutrition, the sleep.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: But yeah, and as soon as you can't make the
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: four miles and within an.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 6: Hour getting Yeah, I'm trying to find the video. Wasn't
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 6: he trolling the guy at the end, like he going
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 6: slow and like he just sort of like kneeled down
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 6: behind him and waited for him to go, And as
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 6: soon as he win, he was like, I'm.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: Right behind you. I'm behind the whole time.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 6: I'm not going anywhere, trying to give him a quit
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 6: all mental game. I'm thinking that last a little bit.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 4: I don't know that that distance running stuff's fucking gnolly.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 4: It's so cool.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: It is crazy, but it's interesting how they can maintain
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: that pace for such a long time. Like the pace
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: is not bad, it's not they're not walking, they're running.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a little shuffle, it is.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: But so it makes me wonder, you know. And like
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: in terms of mma, there's guys today that their cardio
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: is so insane that they've completely raised the bar. Morob
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: Dwavish Willi is the best example. His cardio is so insane,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: he's completely raised the bar for what we thought was
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: possible in a five round fight. I mean, this guy
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: just has this fucking insane work ethic and he's always
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: in the gym and he's always training, and his cardio
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: is just so elite because it's just built upon layers
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: upon layers upon layers, And it makes me wonder. We
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: have this idea in our head that a person can
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: only go so far, so hard for five rounds because
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: you're gonna you can't recover. I don't know if that's true.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: I have a feeling that much like these marathon runners
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: and ultras and all these people that are run doing
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: triathlons and iron man, that you can build up your
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: endurance over time if you keep pushing and keep pushing
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: it as long as your body doesn't break. And this
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: is the real problem with MMA. Your body can break
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: because you know you're wrestling and getting kicked and punched.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: But if you can build it, I think it's like
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: everything else, it's layers upon layers. If you've never let
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: off the gas and you keep going, your body will adapt.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: Your body will adapt, your body will adapt, and eventually
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: we get to a point where you could kind of
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: go like eighty ninety percent for five.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: Rounds, which you'll be fucking terrifle.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: What's fucking terrifying. And Morob is kind of almost there.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 4: How old is he?
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: He's older now.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 4: That's what I was thinking, because.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: He's thirty six.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: In order to get that that baseline of cardio, I
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: think it's going to take such a long time to
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 4: accumulate it. And the problem is that you're gonna lose
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 4: some of the explosiveness. You're going to accumulate some injuries.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 4: So if you got rid of the fighting bit and
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 4: just did bachi adultra is something similar, then you've got
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: maybe forty two forty five maybe even someone who's fifty
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 4: might have not done the damage of the impact.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: Thirty five, thirty five years old, he'd be thirty six
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: in January.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: And you think he's got the biggest gas tank.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: The best. It's insane. His gas tank is extraordinary. He welt,
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: he wilts people. You see it. It's just like it's
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: it's insane. He never stops, just never stops coming at you.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: And it's like he doesn't wane like everybody WANs everybody
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: slows down the third. You know, he's nice, like it's
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: like a pit bull man. He's it's crazy and it's
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: just hard work. Famously, Daniel Cormier went to visit him
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: on the Sunday after he won the world title and
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: he went to his house and he was out running.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: He just won the world title and he's out running.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: He just never gets off the gas. And as long
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: as you just.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 4: See this guy, oh yeah, yeah.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: The record for the mile, yes, I did.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 6: Seven year old record. I think he beat it by
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 6: half a second.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah. He's another guy using altitude training. He lives at altitude.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 6: It's sixteen point two miles an hour average for four minutes.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: You know that's crazy.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 6: That's so fast.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: How fast is the record now that.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 6: He had three forty two and.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 7: He's so fun that guy behind him is like, fuck,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 7: fuck good British man.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: Look at him, go man. He looks so strong too,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: Like he doesn't look like he's fading at all. That's
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: so impressive.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: Cool that they had to chase a light behind him
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 4: as well to know where he needs to.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: Bro he is just separating himself from that dude in
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: second place and.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 6: Get by half a second.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: Two.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 6: I believe he just you just did it.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: It's crazy, the sickest thing.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 6: But it took so long for the four minute mile, right,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 6: that was the whole yeah movie, mm hmm. And then
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 6: it's forty two what was it previously forty three point
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 6: one or point?
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 4: That is crazy, unbelievable.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: Half a second, that's crazy.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: It's such a miserable distance as well. I don't want
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 4: to do that. I don't want to run a mile
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 4: flat out.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: No, I mean he was kind of flat out for
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: a whole mile, but so uh. The guy that I
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: was working with today with the hypoxia trainer, he was
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: telling me about this guy, that this guy, his whole
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: thing is like training at altitude and sleeping at altitude
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: h and that it's legalized cheating if you can live
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: at altitude and you're doing something that requires endurance, like
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: and we were talking about it. I was like, if
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: I was going to give advice to a fighter, or
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: if I was going to set up like a fight camp,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: like a if I was going to bankroll some big
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: time trainer to set up a fight camp. One percent.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: I put it at the top of a mountain. One
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: hundred percent. Everyone's going to sleep there, everyone's going to
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: live there.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: At the Dagistani guys that they al Oh yeah.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: Man, of course they're in the mountains. They're mountain people.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 4: Man, little mountain goats at the top of this thing. Yeah,
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 4: I savages. Yeah, it is strange. I mean looking at
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 4: Lance Armstrong and what he was doing, he was basically
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 4: reverse engineering that but just through pharmacology and blood doping
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 4: and okay, well we can work around that.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah he was. He was doing that, but he was
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: also he was doing a lot of altitude work too.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: But he was also doing what everybody else was doing.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: This idea that Lance Armstrong was this big cheater. If
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: you took away everyone in the podiums that had been
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: not that hadn't been busted, if you took away anyone
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: that got caught with any substances, I think you would
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: get down to eighteenth place. I think that's what they said.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: It was a dirty sport, completely dirty sport. So he
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: was the best at the dirty sport. So sorry, I
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: played with them.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 4: The rules they want, the rules that were sat down
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 4: by the federation, but they were the rules that everybody
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: else was playing by.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they got him, and he was you know,
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: he was guilty, and he did lie about whether or
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: not he did that. But they all lied. They were
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: all they're all doping, they were all doing a bunch
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: of shit.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: You know what I think about. I think about the
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 4: fact that lots of pursuits that people go into aren't tested.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 4: Federation's business. Business isn't a tested federation. If you want
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: to take arma daphanil and work nineteen hours a day,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 4: you can do that, right. No one's going to come
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 4: and stop you. No one's going to say, hey, this
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: share price, that's unfair that you got that share price
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 4: because you you were enhanced. You we using adderall, or
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: you were using too much caffeine or parizanthine, or you
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: were on the Newtonet whatever.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: That's a good point.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 4: No, that's not a tested federation, right, But it's as important,
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 4: maybe even more important to a lot of people, more
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 4: people participating in business than participating in professional sports.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, especially things like adderall. They're like, you have energy
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: all day, you can work sixteen seventeen hours a day.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: Have you ever used it? I've never done it.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: No, scared of it.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, scared that being said Victoria's awesome, though, I'm sure
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 4: it's fun. Jamie get us amater a, let's fuck it?
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: Did you when you talk to hundred Biden? Did you do?
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: You guys talk about crack all the time. So I
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: told you that I was going to do that, and
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: then we didn't do that, and you did it.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: I didn't take the idea, I promise.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: Though you already had it booked, but you didn't tell
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: me you had it booked. I told you that we
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: were going to do it.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 4: Should I have told you?
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. I'm sorry that it doesn't matter. Some
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: of the guys got upset, like he took our idea.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: We were going to do a Protect our Parks with
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: Hunter Biden, but then Ari because we thought Ari couldn't
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: make it. We wanted to do another Protect our Parks
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: and Ari was in London and Aris like, yeah, and
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: he was like, I'll fly back for that, and we
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: were like, all right, fuck Hunter Biden, and so we didn't.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 4: It's just as well I got him the reason I
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: had no fun. Yeah, he talked a lot about crack dude.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 4: I gotta say, he's so likable. It's terrifying how likable
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 4: he is.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, I mean, he grew up with a
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: politician and he's a smart guy.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 4: Maybe maybe, I mean I was trying to find the
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 4: was the m manipulative game that's been played here or whatever.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: It's interesting that he took a long time out of
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: the public eye many many years, and then he sort
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: of re emerged. Some people are very upset. Some people
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: are very upset that, like these conservatives are platforming him,
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: like you know, they're criticizing that. But what you don't
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: want to hear about what his story's like. I mean,
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: this guy's obviously he lived a wild life.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 4: Like we got to ask him. I wanted to ask
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 4: him the question, what was it like to be the
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 4: most googled drug addict in history? Probably? And it's it's
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 4: fucking wild. How what does it feel like to have
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 4: that much pressure on you? Like, regardless forget who his
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: dad is Forget that it's us politics, forget that it's
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 4: the future of the country. Like there is a person
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: in there, and there is a person under a level
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 4: of scrutiny that has maybe never been seen before. Like
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 4: you wake up one day and he told us the
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 4: story of what it was like to just have the laptop.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 4: It just this story bursts and it is everything. It's
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 4: the future of the country, it's the future of your
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 4: dad's legacy. It's your life, it's your family's life. It's
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 4: He's too into sobriety at the time. I think the
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 4: tear stations come back.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: Is the laptop real or is it really they hacked
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: into his cloud and then they put it on a laptop,
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: because I've heard him say that that there's way too
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: much data for it to have ever been on a laptops.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 4: Twenty yeahs, you know it was two decades. Everything every
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 4: text message, every photo, every every right. Yeah, so he
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 4: getten through thirty.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: What is his But is it actually in the laptop
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: or did someone put it in the laptop? I think
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: I don't want to say anything incorrect here, so let's
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: just make sure that I'm correct, or let's just find
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: out What the truth is is his position that they
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: download they hacked into his cloud and that's how they
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 3: got all those videos of him like smoking crack and
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: going one hundred and seventy miles an hour and getting
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: foot jobs and all that stuff like that. That all
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: was in the cloud, that wasn't on a laptop that
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: he just handed to a repair store. That that's a
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: bullshit narrative to cover the fact that they hacked into
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: his cloud and got all of his photos and video.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 4: He didn't give us the specifics on that one. What
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 4: I do think whatd have happened is maybe you get
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 4: into the cloud through the laptop if you've got access
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 4: to that, if you open up the laptop, because you
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 4: need to have the lugins, then you can just get
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 4: into sounds like.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: You still have to you have to log in once
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: you get the laptop. You have to have the passwords.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 4: It's crazy, dude.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, I would assume he's got some passwords.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 6: Does really answer to that?
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: He did not definitively claim the Delaware laptop was hacked
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 3: or stolen. In a twenty twenty one CBS interview, this
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 3: is a long time ago, he said, did not know
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: whether or not his, and floated it was his, and
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: floated several possibilities, including that a laptop was stolen from me,
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 3: that he was hacked, or that Russian intelligence was Okay,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: he's doing the Russia russa Russia ship back then that
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: was twenty twenty one. Yeah, you can get away with that.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 4: You can get away with anything.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: This is also while Joe Biden was the President of
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: the United States, right, so there could be a laptop
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: out there that was stolen from me. Okay, this is
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: not a good timeline. Yeah, the timeline in the recent
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: more recent interviews, I believe his position was that the
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: amount of data wouldn't even have fit on a laptop.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: And then it's bullshit and they're calling it the laptop.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 3: But a lot of it is just his personal information
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: that he had somewhere that was hacked. So then the
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: narrative is not that this guy was so cracked out
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: that he had a laptop filled with him.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 6: Getting to push it for more clarification.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: Okay. An August twenty twenty six interview with Tucker Carlson,
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 3: Biden reportedly said, hey, reportedly your perplexity. Come on, you're
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: supposed to tell you didn't did you watch Perplexity? In
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: August twenty twenty six interview, Biden reportedly said they hacked
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: my cloud. He denied the full collection described as his
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: laptop could all have originated from one device, saying it
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: was way too large. He suggested an unknown actor, potentially
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: an intelligence service or another person could have taken digital
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: material material rather and combined it with the purported laptop narrative,
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: so that's possible. In a July twenty twenty six substack launch,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: he wrote that the providence was never established, that no
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: court forensics examiner had certified a chain of custody sufficient
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: to make evidence. Rather than theater, He did acknowledge that
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: material associated with reflected his addiction struggles. See, there could
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: be a lot of things going on. One could be
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 3: that he was cracked out and he left the laptop,
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: and he doesn't remembered being cracked out and leaving the laptop.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 3: But the idea that there's too much data that it
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 3: wouldn't have fit on a laptop. The problem with that
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: is there's two terabyte hard drives on laptops.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 4: Now, like that's a lot of data.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: What was a well, this is twenty twenty, right.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 6: Here's the one thing too, I find very interesting about it.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 6: What it's on the screen. The guy who ran the
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 6: shop that the top was supposed to dropped off at
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 6: because he's legally blind, could not confirm who the customer
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 6: was because he's legally blind.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: Oh how convenient. So he probably never went to that place.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 3: It's probably a total fake story. And they they made
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 3: up a fake story. Maybe they even stole a laptop
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 3: of his.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 4: Well, that's the thing that I was most fascinated by
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: was he was two years sober when that happened, now
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 4: seven allegedly, although he is tested I think supposedly.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe look great fun.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 4: He told me, he told me that he packs his
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 4: bags with a witness. When he packs his carry ons
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 4: and stuff. There's a witness that ah.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: So he doesn't get fucking oh.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 4: Wow, in case he someone snuck something into his bag,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 4: Who's going to believe him? It's like, who's going to believe?
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: That's crazy? Yeah, imagine living like that.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 4: The amount of scrutiny. That was what I was most
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 4: fascinated by. I was thinking, what is it like to
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 4: have the entire world baring down and you know, only
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 4: the world, the country, the future of politics, your dad,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 4: your dad's legacy. Are you going to get a podon
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 4: who even fucking knows who has? Probably not, like, oh
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 4: my god.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: And then there's the reality.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 4: Don't go back to drugs, don't you you drugs again?
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 4: This is how you would have fixed it, This is
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 4: how you would have done it in the past. Two
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 4: yos sob yeah.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, two years sober is so gentle, too,
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 3: so dangerous.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 4: You're not even out of the woods.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 3: And when you think about that whole story, how that
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: blew up right before the election. It could have really
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 3: been an intelligence plot to try to sink Joe Biden.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 3: And they counted it. And the way they counted it
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: was by blocking the story from Twitter a factual story
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: from The New York Post. Juliana apparently held the information
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: for months and released it less than three weeks before
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: the election. Juliana has long been involved in efforts by
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: the President and his allies to highlight Hunter Biden's work
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 3: overseas to damage Joe Biden and boost mister Trump's reelection camp,
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: and in twenty nineteen and in twenty nineteen met with
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: a Ukrainian lawmaker who had been deemed an active Russian
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: agent by the US government.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 4: What is it the October Surprise, that's what they called it. Yeah,
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 4: so that's there's been something that the losing side has
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 4: pointed to is the justification for why it happened Russia, Gates, Biden,
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 4: laptop suppression. And then in the most recent one, it
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 4: was podcasts that was, well, this is why had it
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 4: not have been for the sway that occurred due to
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 4: this run that was done on podcasts, that that's what
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 4: moved the election.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: Well, the real problem with that narrative was, I don't
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: know anybody who wasn't willing to talk to Kamala Harris.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: I was willing.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 4: Everyone reached it.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: I tried to talk to her a bunch of times,
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: and they tried to pretend that I made it difficult.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: It's a fucking complete horseshit lie. They also lied, and
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 3: they said they came down here and checked out the
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: studio and did a run of the place. They did not.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: They did not do that. They did not. Trump's people did.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: And I've said that, like, if you want to say
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: that they knew that someone did, but I don't know
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: how much they're communicating with each other. Trump's Secret Service
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: people came down and they scanned the whole place. They
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 3: went through the whole place before he came in. But
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: she's alleging that her people did a run of the studio.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: They did not her, no representatives from her organization wherever.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 4: Here, and that it would be insufficiently secure or something.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 4: Is that what?
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: No? I mean they said that we were making it difficult.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: I was making as easy as possible. And the one
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: day that she offered to do it, I was already
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: booked with him. And I even said I would know,
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: and I said I would do it, but it would
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: have to be She had a gig in Houston. She
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: was doing like a speech in Houston. I think that
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: was one of the ones where like Beyonce came out,
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 3: everybody thought she was going to sing and she didn't.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 4: Uh so like everyone got mad.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we got mad. So she was somewhere else in
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: Texas and I said, listen, if she when she's done
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 3: with that, I'll do I'll do a podcast at midnight,
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: come on in, I'll go. Whenever you want to do it,
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: I'll do it the next day, I'll do it that night.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 4: I would have been one of the wildest twenty four
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 4: hours of your life.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: I was down to do that I've done, and that
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: was going to release them both at the exact same time.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 3: That was the idea, but she wasn't willing to do it.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 4: Ja.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: They even gave me a bunch of things. This is
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: also they didn't tell the truth about. There was a
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: bunch of things that they said she didn't want to
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: talk about, and I said, fine, She didn't want to
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: talk about her record for prosecuting marijuana possession in California
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: and then for using those people that were supposed to
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: get released past the date that they were released to
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: fight wildfires. She didn't want to talk about that. Fine.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 3: And then there was one other one. I forget what
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: the other one was about that they didn't want to
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: talk about. And then they came back and said they
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: did want to talk about marijuana legalization. Oh. Immigration, They
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: were not so keen on talking about immigration. Maybe it
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: wasn't immigration. Wasn't immigration, Jamie, do you remember? I don't
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: remember what the other one was, But I was like, fine,
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: I'll ask her about cooking. I don't give a fuck, Like,
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: let's talk, Like I just want to sit down across
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 3: and find out who you are. We'll figure it out.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: We'll figure it out. I'll ask you, if you believe
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: in Jesus, we'll figure it out. Do you believe in UFOs?
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: Like what do you think? Well, you could release the files,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: like I'll find out who you are. Let's go. You know,
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: maybe I like you. Maybe no one's had a chance
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 3: to see you for this one. Maybe you can laugh
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 3: for and joke around and be like a real person
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: instead of like being a person with sound bites because
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: you can relax because you know there's no time constrained.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: Who fucking knows, but we didn't get to find out.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: So to say that, like you're blaming podcasts on her
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: not getting elected, how about the fact that you spent
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: one point four billion fucking dollars and you put someone
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 3: in without a primary and you blew all this money
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 3: and it and you'll still lost. Like you guys fucked
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 3: it up. You fucked it up. You had all this
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 3: momentum when she had that one speech. It's like, say
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: it to Matt face. They were like, yeah, like they
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 3: had it. If she never did another fucking speech and
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 3: never did a podcast, never did anything, and only did
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: pre prepared like monologues like that over, game over, game over,
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: She's younger, she got more energy, She's like a new
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 3: fresh thing. Let's go.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 4: How much do you think the uh that run of
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 4: podcast for Trump did move the needle? Have you got
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 4: any idea.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 3: It did a lot? I think it did. I think
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: it the one, the one with the Ovonne, I think
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 3: moved the needle first, and then the one with me.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: I think you got to see him fuck around a
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: little and relax and talk about things, and you got
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 3: to see a human being instead of like a cartoon.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 4: But you want to got to see one side of
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 4: the election. Do that you didn't get to?
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you could. That could have happened with her too. Like,
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 3: I'm not a hard interview man. I'm not. I don't
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: want to get in arguments with people. I'd like to
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 3: get in discussions with people. I'm not into being insulting.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: I'm not into being shitty. I'm not I'm not into
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: doing that. I'm just I just wanted to talk, Like,
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: if you want to run the president, you want to
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: be the commander in chief of the greatest army of
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: the world's ever known, Let's let's have a conversation. I
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: don't think that's that hard to do and if you
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: can't do that, like, well, what do you hide in?
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: Who are you? I think it was a lot of
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: her people that didn't want her to do it. First
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: of all, there's a lot of people that are like
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: super woke and just didn't want her to and in
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: any way to be associated with me. And then there
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: was a lot of people that were really worried that
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: she was going to say something that fucked it up,
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: or that we were going to get into something that
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: she can't defend, you know, because there was a lot
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: of things that really did like make people go what
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: like when she said she wouldn't have done anything different
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: than Joe Biden when she was on the view, I
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 3: don't think i'd do anything different, Like everybody's like, oh great, nuts,
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: we were trying to vote for you, fucking lie to me.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 3: There was definitely that. And then there was there's some
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: you know, some crazy stuff she said too when she
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: was vice president, saying like how dare we say Merry Christmas?
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 3: Like you get those clips and you go, wait, what,
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 3: who are you? Who are you? Do you believe that?
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: Do you really believe how we say Merry Christmas? Story?
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: Is this like a crazy thing that you went through
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: that day.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 4: Well, it's wild to think I'm worried about being too
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 4: bombastic when the person that I'm going up against is
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 4: Donald Trump. You know what I mean.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: Well, some people, they they fuck up a few things,
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: and then they're terrified they're gonna fuck up. So every
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: time they do an interview, they're like, I don't want
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: to fuck this up, want to fuck this up. And
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: that's when the staff gets involved, Like they wanted one
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 3: staff in the room. I'm just like, fuck no, no,
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: you can't have staff in the room. Fuck out of here,
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 3: Fuck out of here. They also want to know if
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 3: it's edited, like we edit things like this. No, you gotta.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: People have to find out who the fuck you really are.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 4: But that feels scary because there's no get out if jail.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 3: Free supposed to be scary. You want to be the president.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: You want to be the President's the scariest thing of
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: all time.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you gotta.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: You gotta deal with potential nuclear war. Okay, I think
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: you can sit down for a conversation. It's not even me,
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: even if it's on me. Sit down with a bunch
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: of other people. But sit down with people they're gonna
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: ask real questions, really talk to you, you know, Like
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know what happened on the Caller Daddy podcast,
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: but I think it was very short and I don't
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: think they got into anything deep. Like you gotta ask,
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: Like the immigration thing was nuts. You have to ask,
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 3: like what are you doing? Like why do you guys
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 3: have an open border? Why are you just letting all
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: these unvetted people from third world, crime infested, poor countries,
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: desperate people desperate that do want to want to walk
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 3: to America. You know how crazy that is, And we're
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 3: just letting them all in without knowing how many of
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 3: them are just trying to make a better life, and
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 3: how many of them are drug cartel and how many
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 3: of them are terrorists? And how many the fuck are
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 3: you doing? What's he doing?
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 4: What's happened with the status of immigration Now?
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: I know that they put the brakes on it. They
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 3: stopped like an enormous number of people crossing the border,
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 3: like an enormous number. I think it's down, Like what
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: is it down? Like how many? What is the percentage
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: of illegal border crossings down? Since Trump has been in office?
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 3: They could have done it the entire time, man, They
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 3: wanted that border open. They wanted those people coming in.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 3: They wanted to flood the census. They wanted to flood
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 3: those swing states. They wanted to get people that are
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 3: here and give them citizenship. They wanted to get them
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: on Medicaid. They want to get them on healthcare. They
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 3: want to give them free cell phones. They wanted to
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 3: make those people voters. And they wanted to try to
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 3: just make it like it's California, like the whole country's California.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 3: Like you can never leave, you can never escape. It's
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 3: one party runs it forever, and they run it terribly,
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: and it gets more and more terrible, and they need
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 3: more and more money to make it more and more terrible.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 4: That's not a great case. Fuck me.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 3: Well, I just well, it's not the case now. But
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 3: this is not great either, Okay. January twenty twenty five,
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 3: Border Patrol recorded twenty nine thousand in the first full
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 3: month of the administration. February that fell to eight thousand,
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 3: about a seventy one percent month to month decline. All told,
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 3: what's the percentage of decline? What's the percentage of decline
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 3: based on twenty twenty six versus twenty twenty three let's
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 3: find that out twenty oh, twenty twenty five versus twenty
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 3: twenty three data. Okay, let's see what they say. What
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 3: percentage is it down? No, eighty eight percent, it's down
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 3: eighty eight percent. No, crazy, that is that's crazy. So
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 3: they were letting millions of people in and we didn't
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 3: know who they are. And you know, the idea is like,
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 3: if you want to be a kind, compassionate person and
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 3: immigrants deserve what you have, and okay, but we have
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 3: to know they're not murderous folks. Okay, we can't. Just
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 3: have you ever been to like the worst places of
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 3: the Third World? Probably not. If you did, you wouldn't
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 3: want those people just like roaming around your neighborhood when
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 3: you have to leave your garage and go to work,
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 3: you wouldn't want that because they just work. Oh the
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: guy's not here, I'll break into his house.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 4: Well, how much of this is a luxury belief that
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 4: the people that are espousing the things that they're supporting
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 4: aren't the ones that are going to be impacted by it?
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 4: The same as it's the same as I told you
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 4: this last time I was on there was a house
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 4: near where I live in Austin that had a defund
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 4: the police sign in the front yard and a private
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 4: security sticker on the front window.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 3: That's cute. People are cute. Well, there's a lot of that.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 3: It's a lot of white people. White people are a
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 3: real problem.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 4: Wow, that's this.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 3: There's privileged white people that started.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 6: Dropping in twenty twenty four because of a Biden asylum
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 6: change or something.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 3: Eh, sure it did. Listen, they probably tried to put
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 3: the brakes on it a little bit when they were
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 3: losing the election, you know, when they were getting the
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 3: polls in there to run there a little tight Yeah,
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 3: for sure, like this. Otherwise they would have done it
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three. They're not. They're doing it because
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 3: of a political reason. They probably would have opened it
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 3: right back up. If Kamala wan like we you know,
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 3: no one's legal on stolen land, come on in, you know.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 4: Meanwhile, Victoria's Secret is up three hundred percent. You're on
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 4: your the share price because of ozempic. I found this
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 4: out yesterday, three hundred percent increase of ozempic. So what
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 4: the proposed reason for this is that millions of women
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 4: have lost so much weight that their bras have stopped
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 4: fitting and because they're smaller, they're now going and getting
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 4: more seductive underwe three hundred percent increase, you're on your.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 3: Hot little stick figures.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 4: That's what's happening to Ozempic's a fucking hell of a drug.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 4: Here's another thing. I found out that women are getting
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 4: bridal dresses fitted, but they're having to predict where their
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 4: weight is going to come into land. So some women
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 4: are losing up to fifty pounds. They're losing so much
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 4: weight between ordering the dress and the wedding that these
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 4: bridle stores are having to get them to sign waivers
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 4: in case they don't make weight, like a fighter, Like,
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 4: if you don't make weight for your bridal dress, you go, what,
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 4: we can't give you another one. You've said that you're
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 4: gonna lose fifty pounds using glps over the next nine
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 4: months or twelve months or eighteen months or whatever. And
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 4: because they're scared that they're going to end up getting
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 4: these refunds, they're having to sign waivers. I think the
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 4: future implications of those empic on economy consumption, Like, think
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 4: about what most of consumerism is. It's not stuff that
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 4: people need, it's like things that people want. It's like
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 4: a craving. It's impulsivity, it's repeated purchase. And that's exactly
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 4: what glps act on. They're not just suppressing appetite. They're
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 4: suppressing craving in a lot of different ways. And it's like,
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 4: what what happens to a capitalist system when you suppress
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 4: pharmacologically suppress craving? I want this thing? Well maybe you don't,
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 4: not in quite the same way, because it seems to
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 4: work on weed, it seems to work on video games,
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 4: it seems to work on a ton of different behavior
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 4: that people don't like wine as much. Okay, so it's
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 4: not just calories. It's more than that. It's consumerism as well.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 4: And I think what happens when you intervene pharmacologically in
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 4: people's desire to crave is just that is the other
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 4: the other side. So AI on one side and fucking
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 4: glps on the other.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: Well, they say that some people have different reactions to
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 3: GLP ones, right, and some people have a lack of
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 3: desire for relationships, which is really creepy, Like you have
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 3: a what is it about? Is it taking away pleasure?
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 3: Is it taking away excitement?
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 3: What is it taking away? Like? What what stimulation that
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 3: you're getting by overeating. What is it dulling in the
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 3: process that also stops drug addictions, Like it's helping people
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 3: that have addictions, and it's also how people that are
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 3: you know, that have like impulsive behavior. Apparently I think
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 3: that's true. Well, the weird one is the side effects
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 3: of like relationships, Like.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 4: You don't maybe it's craving again, maybe it's the same thing.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 4: I looked at the study on that came out on
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 4: X and people were talking about it. There was some
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 4: criticism around whether or not that particular pathway in the
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 4: brain works the way that it would. But if you're
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 4: suppressing craving overall, that wouldn't surprise me. No, if you're
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 4: making people just want less.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 3: Right, I don't want that at all. Bill Maher was
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 3: arguing with Scott Galloway on Real Time about that. Galloway
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 3: was like, big on GLP ones. There's benefits people, there's
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 3: you know. I think also the thing is dosage. This
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 3: is an issue, and this is an issue that's been
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 3: brought up by compound pharmacies that there's certain people that
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: don't need a big ass dose that you're going to get,
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 3: like depending upon your body weight, depending upon your size.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 3: You know, they're like a five hundred pounds man probably
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 3: needs a different dose than one hundred and thirty five
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 3: pounds five foot tall woman.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 4: Is that not being suggested. I don't think so it's
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 4: not being advised.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 3: I think I think people are starting to do it
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 3: through their various healthcare providers and various doctors have experienced
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 3: with these things that are giving people like smaller doses
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 3: and less. Then there's the ratruitide stuff. I'm saying that right,
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 3: re't a true tide reta true hide reta true tide.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 3: That one is a weird one because that one allows
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: you to keep muscle mass. And that's the big fear
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 3: that people have is that you're starving yourself, but you're
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 3: also losing bone mass and muscle mass.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 4: That's because people who don't have good fitness habits reducing
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 4: an already suboptimal diet. They're not eating well, and now
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 4: they're eating less of not well. That's still not training,
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 4: which means what happens because I think about ninety percent
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 4: of people that go on glps and then come off
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 4: them gain the weight back.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 3: So it's you you don't change your behavior.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 4: You don't change your behavior, but you lose muscle on
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 4: the way down right and gain fat on the way
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 4: back up. So if you end up back at the
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 4: same way that you what previously a compositions was and
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 4: that's really concerning because you're basically locked in to use
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 4: them for the rest of time. If that's the case,
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 4: if you can't use something else to fix it.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 3: I know that they were using different things, like they
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 3: were using IGF one along with golp ones to mitigate
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 3: the bone density and muscle tissue loss. But the reality
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 3: of having less calories coming in than coming out is
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 3: your body's gonna eat itself.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's what's happening, which is why you need
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 4: to do resistance training.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah you have to you have to lift heavyweights. I'm
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 3: not heavy, but you have to lift something so you
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 3: develop bone density. And this is a giant problem with
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 3: older people that have never lifted anything, is that their
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 3: body composition is just they might look normal, but they're
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: made out of dough. You know, you could just punch
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 3: right through them and if they fall down, they're gonna
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 3: get hurt. That's not when people get older, Like one
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 3: of the main ways that people die is falling. What
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 3: happens that hit their heads, they slip in the shower,
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 3: they slip in the bathtub, they hit their heads, they
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 3: break a hip. When you break a hip, man, the
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 3: odds of you living more than ten years reduced drastically.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 3: A lot of it is also because at the time
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: that you're breaking a hip, you're probably old, already old already.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 3: But there's like real data that show that once people
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 3: have fallen and broken a hip, like that's a catastrophic
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 3: injury that you got to think of all the resources
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 3: that your body has to use and employ in order
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 3: to heal that. And then there's the compromise and movement
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 3: that you're going to have for a long.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 4: Time to be able to walk.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 3: You're going to need assistance, You're not going to have
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 3: the same vitality, you're going to be recovering, going to
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 3: be exhausted. People with Alzheimer's disease are substantially higher risk
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 3: of falling. Wow falls can be fatal, especially if they
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 3: can cause a hip fracture, head injury, or complications from
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 3: hospitalizations or immobility. Research indicated that's seeks she seed eighty
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 3: percent of older adults with Alzheimer's experience a fall more
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 3: than twice the rate incognitively normal peers.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 4: There was a late there's a news story that came
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 4: out recently, Jamie about a woman who survived for eight
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 4: days in a bathtub after she fell. Sure, Oh my god, insane.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 4: So had had a tumble and wasn't found. I don't
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 4: know what the fuck she was doing in order to
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 4: be able to stay alive. I guess I grew in
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 4: a bathtub. You got some water, but.
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 3: Being in the tub and drinking the water and helping for.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 6: Two years old? Nine days? Actually, it says, oh my god,
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 6: she drank water she managed to splash up onto her
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 6: face by turning the faucet on with her foot.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, Oh my.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 4: God, nine days in a fucking bathtub?
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 3: Crazy? How did you not die of hypothermia?
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 4: I guess you could heat yourself up. It's gonna run
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 4: the water, I guess.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, is she that good at turning the knobs
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 3: of her feet? She could scald herself to death? What
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 3: the fuck?
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 6: That's home rural mountain, North Carolina.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, the poor lady.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 4: Let's get on and she survived?
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 3: Get her on the podcast change before Chris does, poor lady,
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 3: we'd probably have to go to her. Fuck probably have
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 3: to go to the Appollo. Fuck. Man, there's people that
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 3: get through some shit.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 4: I was looking at the studies of how long people
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 4: have stayed awake for, like that gets really fucking not
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 4: because people going to psychosis. That Lindsey Clancy case thing
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 4: that's going crazy at the moment. A lot of that
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 4: is because of supposedly sleep deprivation, her on a lot
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 4: of antipsychotics, et cetera, et cetera. But you don't need
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 4: to keep people awake for that long to turn them insane.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 4: If you're awake for a couple of days, I think
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 4: all fucking hell breaks loose, which is why those backyard
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 4: ultras just seem so deranged. Do you think, how are
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 4: you even able to apply effort to what it is?
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 4: How are you able to make decisions about whether you
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 4: need food or sleep or rest.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 3: To go harder to get of hallucinations? They all see
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 3: things that aren't there. Courtney do Walter? She won the
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 3: Uh what'd she win the Bigfoot? Is that what she won?
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 3: When she came on? She beat the second place dude
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 3: by ten hours or something. Crazy. Imagine you come in
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 3: second place and you're second place by ten.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 4: Hours, yes, because there maybe half a day.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 3: The race is three days long, three days of hell.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 4: Well. The crazy thing about endurance is that as you
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 4: get longer and longer, the difference between the sexes starts
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 4: to even out. And I think in water it evens
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 4: out even quicker because women are more buoyant over distances,
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 4: women are better.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 3: Swimmers, makes sense.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 4: I think, like a rock, you don't have to build
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 4: for swimming.
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 3: I'm terrible out of it.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 4: You don't have to build. I recently learned about just
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 4: coming to my mind Rory McDonald's walk out music, this
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 4: story where he changed his number oh yeah, yeah, and
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 4: a baby the USC he found this out.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 4: Were you there at any of those events when he
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 4: was walking. I think he came out to like uh
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 4: uh mc hammer and people asked him. Apparently he got
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 4: rumbled because he wanted nickelback, and they asked him after
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 4: it they were like, sorry, we couldn't get you nickel back,
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 4: and I didn't ask for fucking nickelback. Then we worked
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 4: it out and it was just some guy that was
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 4: a fan that was deciding to submit songs.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 4: On Rory McDonald's behalf.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 3: The guy got Rory's old number, and Rory never bothered
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 3: telling the UFC. And this guy knew who Rory was,
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 3: and he was just so jazzed out that he could
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 3: pick Rory's walk in music. And the guy had a
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 3: good sense of humor, so he'd picked some Wax.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 4: Songs dmc mc hammer, DMX, sorry mc hammer.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 3: Well, DMX is great. Mc Hammer's great. I mean, some
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 3: people love those songs.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 4: I think Nickelback's got legs as well.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 3: Bro Nickelbacks has some good songs. It's just their formulaic
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 3: and people don't like formulaic songs. There's some something about
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 3: them that people think is too much of a form
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 3: leg song. But like, how come you like the Cypress
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 3: Hill rock star song but you don't like the rock
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 3: star song. It's like the same song. The Nickelback song
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 3: and Cypress Hill are the same song. It's the same song.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 3: It's like it's the same song. It's the same song,
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 3: it's the same premise. It's about being a rock star,
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 3: all the crazy shit that you're gonna do if you.
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 3: I want to be a rock star and I want
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 3: all this cool shit. Look, the Cypress Hill is a
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 3: better song. I'm a big Cypress Hill fan, if you
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 3: if I'm getting to choose.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 6: It starts off with Chino talking like, there's not many
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 6: songs I have Chino of Marino from the Death Tones.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 3: That's true speaking, that's true. He's laying out what you
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 3: need to do to be a rock star. That there's
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 3: a lot, but like, okay, we can't play this for
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 3: everybody else, but just for you and me. Which one
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 3: we're gonna We'll start off with Nickelback. Start off with Nickelback.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 3: Nickelback Rockstar.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 4: So fucking happy about this. There's a conspiracy theory that
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 4: nickel Back got taken down to demoralize America after nine
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 4: to eleven.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 3: That's hilarious.
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 4: It's like a Canadian well, but it was American American, like, uh,
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 4: thrust forward into the world, that kind of freedom rock.
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 3: Wow, there were always a punchline, Allow.
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 6: Me to get you down the Rabbit, the olymp Biscuit
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 6: Woodstock one is a fun one that hold on me.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 6: It's trying to load.
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 3: So we'll listen to the Nickelback rock Star song first,
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 3: here we go, but it's Cypress Hill, the same song,
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 3: the same song No I Love cypressl bro B Rose
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 3: my boy I love that, dude, They're the ship. I
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 3: fucking love these guys.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 4: Say I forgot how hot that song was.
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 3: It's a way better song. It's a way better song.
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 3: You know, you're one of the dopest covers ever. Rage
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 3: against the Machine covered Pistol Grip Pump? Have you ever
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 3: heard that? Okay, while we're doing this, since nobody can
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 3: listen to this, just throw up this. This is one
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 3: of my favorite Cypress Hill covers. We're Rage Against the
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 3: Machine covered Cypress Hill. It's fucking fantastic. It's fucking fantastic.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 3: It's better than the original. That goes hard. I've never
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 3: had that that goes hard. That's so fucking That's one
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 3: of the dopest covers ever. There is a Jamie's gonna
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 3: It's like they had an assignment. It's like Cypress Hill
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 3: and Nickelback had an assignment. I want you to write
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 3: a song about how dope it is to be a
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 3: rock star. You want to be a rock star, you
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 3: want this cool shit, right, But Cypress Hill took it
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 3: from the position of like all all, you're gonna suffer, all,
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 3: you're gonna lose. You want this, you know know how
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 3: hard it is? And nickel bags like, hey, hey, I
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 3: want to be a rock star. Fluffy little fuffy, yeah yeah,
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 3: but it's kind of like an assignment.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 4: It is interesting trying to warm people off of something
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 4: that everybody thinks they want. There's this study that was
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 4: done on when people enter airplanes and they walk through
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 4: business class. Economy walks through a business class, there's an
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 4: eight times increase in passenger rage incidents. So it's a
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 4: reminder of your place in the status hierarchy, and I
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 4: think it becomes very difficult when trying to warn people
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 4: off of like the rich person telling you that money
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 4: won't fix your problems, or the famous person telling you
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 4: that status isn't going to change yourself worth, or the
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 4: beautiful person telling you that looks aren't going to actually
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 4: make you feel more valuable in the world. A lot
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 4: of the time, when people hear that, it sounds like
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 4: a luxury belief. It sounds like someone trying of pulling
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 4: the ladder up after they've managed to achieve it. And
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 4: that's why I don't know the rock star that reminds
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 4: you why it's so cool and this is what you
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 4: could get. Rolling Stone ranked rock Star at number one
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 4: hundred in their list of thee hundred best songs of
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 4: two thousand and seven.
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 3: But.
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 6: BuzzFeed listen it as number two is one of the
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 6: thirty worst songs ever written.
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 3: Hm, is it really though? I think they're unjustly criticized Nickelback.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 3: They're not that bad.
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 4: They're coming back around, They're coming back.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 6: Nostalgias bringing them back for sure.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not that bad.
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 6: Do you know why people had an issue with back
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 6: in the day, Well, so, I mean this was happening
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 6: when I was in audio school, so that was like
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 6: when YouTube started, you know, Napster was very big and
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 6: people were discovering them. I mean, it's a little bit
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 6: of opinion based, but there was a video that came
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 6: out that went very viral and that played one Nickelback
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 6: song and the left speaker and one and the right speaker,
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 6: and they lined up very on the like every chord
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 6: change was kind of like at the same time, the
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 6: verses changed at the same time.
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 4: Formulation.
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 6: It was very formulaic. So people just sort of like
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 6: clown them for being too formulaic.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I get that.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 6: Engineers would even say that they didn't like that because
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 6: they were recording what they call in the box, which
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 6: would mean they were recording everything very dry and then
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 6: changing all of the effects after the fact, so like
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 6: nothing that they were playing was like live necessarily, And
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 6: so some people had a problem with that.
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 3: I get it. I get that said not the stones,
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 3: they're not the stones. White people music, they're not pink Floyd.
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 3: You know, I get it.
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 4: It's white people music.
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 3: It's ninety eight IQ.
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 4: Max, you can't say that.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 3: I just did. Look a lot of that's a good
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 3: percentage of the population.
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 4: Son, that's about like, I can listen to some ninety
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 4: eight IQ music. I like me some of that.
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 3: What do you think I mean, Max, I'm saying Max.
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 3: Other people like it's okay, you know, you can have
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 3: a high IQ and go that's all right. But you're like, wow,
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 3: what is high IQ music? Pink Floyd? For sure? We jazz?
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 3: I don't know. You know, jazz is interesting because I
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 3: know a couple of dumb people that love jazz, and
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 3: then a lot of brilliant people love jazz. Also, tool
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 3: tools very high IQ music. If if you're into like metal,
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 3: probably a little disturbed. You're a little disturbed, a little
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 3: mad at your parents.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 6: Eric Weinstein brought.
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 4: Up the plifia Tim Henson rules, Dude.
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 6: That's true. Don't you have to be thinking a lot even.
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 4: Like it's not passive listening, right if he is not
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 4: passive listening.
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 3: God, there's a lot of great bands, man.
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 4: I don't know what's high IQ music in that way,
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 4: like it's popular as well.
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 3: I'm being silly, but I.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 4: Was trying to think about what that would be. If
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 4: it's Beethoven, you're something more refined. I don't know.
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 3: To me, that's the most fascinating music is music when
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 3: there was no recordings. I am fascinated by the fact
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 3: that these people wrote down music on paper so that
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 3: other people could replicate it, and that's how they passed
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 3: on these amazing songs that people still play in concerts today.
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 3: There was no ability to record.
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 4: Well, think about what stories would have been like before
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 4: we had the written word.
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 3: There's a you know, there's a lot of really popular
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 3: musicians rather not magicians, musicians who don't know how to
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 3: read music.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 4: M They don't have to just draw them out on
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 4: my digital workspace, on my lap.
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah. They know how to play an instrument, they know
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 3: what the sounds it makes. I don't have to see
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 3: those fucking bullshit lines? Fuck is that?
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Classically trained? Yeah, I mean everybody loved the idea
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 4: of being a savant renaissance guy sort of outside of
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 4: the system, coming in and I'm breaking the rules in
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 4: that way. I wonder how often that happens at the
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 4: highest level.
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 3: Like, at the highest level, it's Hendricks. Because Hendricks played
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 3: a guitar upside down left handed? Why because he was
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 3: left handed, so he played a right handed guitar upside down.
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 3: Do you ever see the way he played guitar. I
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 3: don't know jack shit about playing guitar. By the way
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 3: this is explained to me, I think Weinstein was the
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 3: first person to explain it to me. But pull up
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 3: Hendricks playing the guitar, he would play it upside down
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 3: because it was, you know, not built for him. It
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 3: didn't matter. He self taught and to this day widely
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 3: regarded as the greatest guitarist of all time and the
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 3: most influential guitarist, guitarist by far, the most like he was.
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 3: He was a freak like when he came along. I mean,
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 3: Eric Clapton famously said that he made him want to quit.
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 3: That's that guitar is upside down.
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 4: Dog Jesus. You know I didn't know that.
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if all of his
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 3: guitars were upside down or you know, some some of
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 3: them were actual left handed guitars, but I think he
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 3: played upside down. Hendricks was left handed, but typically used
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 3: readily available right handed stratocasters. He reversed the instrument. This
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 3: put the headstock, controls, bridge angle, and pick up orientation
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 3: in unusual positions relative to a conventional left handed guitar.
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 3: Isn't that wild? Ye Fenders Hendrick Signature strato caster recreates
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 3: some of these visual and functional details, including a reverse
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 3: headstock and reverse slant bridge pickup. Imagine like they're such
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 3: a head No, I mean I think they did it
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 3: his way. Wow, I think they replicated it his way,
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 3: because like, if you're a fucking a guitar nut and
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 3: you love Hendrix, I want them to like, why does
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 3: this guitar bullshit guitar's backwards? Like Hendrix doesn't play it
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 3: like this. I'd want to learn on a Hendrix guitar. Yuck.
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I uh, I know. I've been thinking
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 4: a lot about like how we assume that wisdom compounds
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 4: over time so I guess not too disimilar to that,
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 4: we have this epistemic privilege that we give to a
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 4: future version of ourselves. Right, so we assume that us
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 4: now knows more than us in the past, or that
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 4: us in the future will know more than us now,
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 4: and that sort of progress goes in that way. But
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 4: for some things, like matters of emotion or important life lessons,
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 4: especially things around pain, I didn't think that that's true. So,
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 4: for instance, you could imagine that you're in a relationship
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 4: with somebody and it's really painful, it's really uncomfortable, and
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 4: after six months you bump into them again and you
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 4: can't quite remember the sleepless nights and the way that
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 4: things felt awkward and the pain in the same way
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 4: as you used to, and you start thinking, well, maybe
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 4: I should, maybe I should get back with them, Maybe
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 4: maybe that's maybe it wasn't so bad. Or the guy
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 4: that works in a very aggressive job, high powered, high
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 4: paced job, and he's burned out and he can't sleep,
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 4: and a year later he misses the status, he misses
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 4: the acclaim, he misses the accolades, he misses the camaraderie
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 4: of working in that organization, and he thinks, well, maybe
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 4: I could get back, maybe I could start again the
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 4: competitive Maybe I could do that again. Or someone that's
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 4: been addicted to alcohol and after they've been sober for
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 4: a couple of years they think, huh, maybe I should
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 4: Maybe I should run that back. Maybe it wasn't that
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 4: big of a deal, Maybe I can do it again.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 4: So there's this sort of fading affect bias, which is
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 4: this idea from psychology that says bad memories fade with time,
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 4: but good memories don't quite the same way. And it's
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 4: good because it protects us from being pinned underneath trauma
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 4: that happened in the past. You know, you're not still
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 4: so worried about your first rejection from a goal in
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 4: the same way as you might have been shortly after that.
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 4: So bad memories plus time can equal comedy, but good
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 4: memories plus time doesn't usually equal tragedy. It's kind of
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 4: a way to think about it. That's great. It's like
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 4: a psychological immune system. We distance ourselves from things, we
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 4: minimize them, and it's a really fundamental part of the
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 4: way that we deal with pain and difficulty in life.
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 4: One of the problems is it causes us to forget
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 4: the receipts of why we did the hard work in
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 4: the first place. So if you think about why you
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 4: worked so hard to get yourself off of the alcohol,
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 4: that was because of the pain that you felt at
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 4: the time. But the pain that you felt at the
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 4: time evaporates the further that you are away from it,
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 4: which is the reason that you actually made all of
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 4: that work and put yourself through that process to improve
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 4: your life. So you could imagine that healing gets rid
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 4: of the justification that made the healing necessary. So it's
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 4: just this strange inversion that we always assume us in
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 4: the future is going to be better educated than us
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 4: now we know more, Like that's the way that it works. Like, yeah,
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 4: of course I've accumulated more experience. I know more. I'm
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 4: closer to the future version of me, which means that
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 4: it's more recent. But in some things, especially matters of pain, discomfort, emotionality,
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 4: being in the fuel future actually means being further away
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 4: from the evidence. And I often think about this when
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 4: you see people that kind of seem to loop themselves
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 4: back into bad situations, someone that keeps on getting back
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 4: into a bad relationship, someone that keeps on getting back
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 4: into a bad relationship with substances or a job, or
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 4: they just keep on. They seem to be stuck. And
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's that they're not moving. I think
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 4: it's that they're sort of looping back. They're forgetting the
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 4: justification for why they needed to stop doing this thing. Yeah,
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 4: this idea that healing destroys its receipts and this fading
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 4: affect bias being kind of the mechanism that works on it.
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 4: I found it pretty fascinating when thinking about observing my
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 4: friend's lives.
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 3: That is fascinating. But I think there's also an element
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 3: of people finding comfort in familiar patterns, and sometimes those
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 3: familiar patterns are just failure. They find comfort in failure.
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 3: They find comfort in falling off the wagon. It's too difficult.
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 3: The stress of not drinking is so strong, it's so
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 3: much that can't handle it. Just give me a fucking drink,
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ. You know, there's a lot of people that
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 3: just the pressure of success and not fucking up is
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 3: so scary and so daunting and just maintaining that they
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 3: fall into these self destructive patterns.
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 4: Why do you think that's the case.
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know. You'd have to talk to a psychologist.
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 3: But it seems to be a reoccurring pattern with people
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 3: seeking comfort in familiar patterns that are failure patterns. They
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 3: maybe it takes pressure off of them to succeed, because
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 3: for some people, the idea of succeeding the idea of
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 3: getting it, and it's like it's so overwhelming. It scares them,
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 3: It gives them anxiety, it fucks them up all the time.
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 3: And when they start doing well, hey, three hundred and
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 3: thirty three days sober, and you start saying things like that,
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 3: and the next thing you just pops in your head.
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 3: I want to fucking Marlborough and I want a beer,
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 3: and I want to go to the bar and see
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 3: my friends, and you just want to go.
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 4: Well, that feels like comfort, right. I suppose there is
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 4: a curse with competence. It's interesting when you see people
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 4: that are kind of down on the luck, and it
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 4: makes sense that maybe they might hit the bottle or
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 4: they might rely on bad, suboptimal habits. But when someone's
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 4: really competent and you keep on seeing them fall back,
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 4: that's what's particularly interesting. Do you have a look, you've
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 4: got something else, you have an alternative here. That's what's
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 4: really interesting to me. But I think that if you're
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 4: the sort of person that's good at things and stuff
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 4: typically goes well, success doesn't become a reason for celebration.
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 4: It's the minimum level of acceptable performance, right, It's a
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 4: curse of competence. Success itself is what you have to
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 4: weigh for, and anything less than success would be a failure,
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 4: and success itself is nothing more than acceptable. That creates
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 4: a really perverse incentive, which is, I can only not lose,
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 4: I can't ever win. It's this sort of debt. You
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 4: wake up every single day behind and only if you
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 4: dominate the day perfectly do you get yourself back up
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 4: to the minimum level of acceptable performance, which is perfection.
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 4: And I think the perfectionism is kind of on the
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 4: rise at the moment. There's a bunch of studies. I've
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 4: had a few guests on the show talking about it,
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 4: and that is.
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 3: How relatively what do you mean by it's on the.
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 4: Rise perfection versus I mean the studies that have been
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 4: done on it. Looking at perfectionism as a personality trait,
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 4: there's a few different types of perfectionism. There's personal perfectionism,
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 4: I must be perfect and there's other perfectionism as well,
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 4: that people around me must be perfect too, and that
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 4: can be particularly But.
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 3: How are they measuring the effect of perfectionism? Like how
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 3: are they measuring how people enacted in their lives.
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 4: It's it's a psychological scale. So they can have a
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 4: survey survey questions things like if I do not do,
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 4: if I don't succeed, that means I am a failure.
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 4: I must ensure that everything is controlled. So there's a criterialistic.
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 3: Right, But who are they asking? You know? I mean,
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 3: depending upon who you're asking, you're going to get a
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 3: higher version, a higher number. You know, if you're asking
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 3: people in West Virginia and trailer parks versus someone who's
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 3: working on Wall Street, you know what I mean, you're
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 3: going to get different. It's like what's the sample size?
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 4: I'd like to think that they're doing it representatively, but
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 4: you might be right, there might not be. But anyway,
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 4: I just, certainly from what I can see, this desire
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 4: that people have to I'm in a capitalist society, meritocracy.
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 4: If I can make myself more important, more successful, that
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 4: means that I'm going to get accolade, please please, please,
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 4: And this goes back to the poverty parade thing, right,
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 4: if you're walking through business class to get to economy,
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 4: you're reminded, you're reminded of your place within the hierarchy.
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 4: It's also some really interesting data around if you're in
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 4: a high income inequality area, self objectification by selfies from
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 4: women on Instagram goes up. And this is a huge
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 4: study by Candice blake Over in Australia and they did
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 4: correlation it might have been on Twitter rather than on Instagram,
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 4: and they looked at geolocating images, ranked them based on
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 4: self objectification, and then looked at the wealth inequality in
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 4: that local area. Higher wealth inequality, more self objectification.
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 3: Which side is doing the self objectification?
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 4: Women?
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 3: Women? But women that are poor or women and that
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 3: are wealthier, all women, all.
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 4: Women in that area. Because and the proposed mechanism is
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 4: you can see not just how high you could climb
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 4: look at the inequality on the top end, but how
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 4: low you could potentially fall to on the bottom end.
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 4: Motivated gets you motivated? Yeah, And that is the same thing.
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 4: I think it's a similar sort of mechanism. If you
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 4: see high inequality. Perfectionism is another escape patch. That's another
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 4: rejector seat that you can pull. If you're not going
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 4: to use your assets to get you access, maybe you
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 4: could just do it yourself. You could bootstrap it yourself
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 4: to lift yourself off the launch pad. And Yeah, the
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 4: perfectionism thing is kind of fascinating to me because I
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 4: think it's it means that people never really get to
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 4: escape from the standards that they set, and if you're
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 4: good at stuff, it becomes even harder because the minimum
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 4: level of acceptable performance is just perfection. Right.
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 3: Hm, I'm sure how I feel about that. First of all,
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of that it's got to be
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 3: motivated by social media. That's a big part of it,
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 3: because now you're getting this, see what everybody has, what
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 3: everybody's doing, see what they look like, see their house,
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 3: through their cars, either this, see all these things, these
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 3: objects of desire, so that I think accelerates people's desires
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 3: and wants. And then you also get unrealistic beauty expectations
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 3: from the internet, particularly social media apps that use filters. Right,
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 3: You're getting a very distortive perception of what people look like,
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 3: and so that probably accelerates the amount of plastic surgery
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 3: women get, in amount of things that people are willing
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 3: to do probably the amount of steroids that young men do,
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 3: you know, all that stuff. But you know the idea
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 3: of perfectionism, Like, what are we talking about If you're
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 3: talking about the pursuit of an excellence of a sport
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 3: or of some sort of a discipline, some sort of
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 3: a thing you do. People have always done that. There's
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 3: always been like outliers who are trying to be the
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 3: very best ever at something. You know, that's always going
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 3: to be the case, and we celebrate that because when
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 3: you know there's a guy like Larry Bird that keeps
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 3: hitting those three pointers, everyone's like, fuck. Remember when I
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 3: was a kid, people would throw garbage into the little
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 3: garbage baskets at school. They would go Larry Bird, you know,
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 3: like they wanted to be like Larry They wanted to
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 3: be like Michael Jordan, they wanted to be like Mike Tyson.
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 3: People celebrate the outliers. They celebrate these excellent people that
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 3: stand above and beyond.
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 6: There is a article about it. I don't know how
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 6: they have figured it out yet. Interesting, there's uh, it's
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 6: been growing since nineteen eighty nine.
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 3: This is hilarious. Perfectionism is a public health risk. It's
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 3: associated with increased depression and anxiety. Yeah. Yeah, you're going
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 3: to be depressed and anxious if you're trying to achieve perfection.
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 3: But I don't know if that's bad, Like it's really
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 3: about whether or not you can manage your fucking mind.
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 4: That's interesting that. So there's perfection is increased in different rates.
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 4: Perfectionistic concerns fear of failure and decisiveness and fear of
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 4: being negatively judged by others increase much faster, and perfectionistic
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 4: strivings the motivation to set extremely high standards and work
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 4: hard to achieve them. So that's I guess maybe the
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 4: difference between what you're thinking about, which is kind of
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 4: positive perfectionism wanting to set a goal and chase after it,
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 4: as opposed to fear of failure in decisiveness and fear
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 4: of being judged negatively by others.
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the big one, right. The fear of being
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 3: judged by others is a real fear because of social media.
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 3: Go back. But when they say it increased much faster
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 3: than perfectionist strivings, So the problem with the perfectionist strivings
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 3: is then you have to have delayed gratification. You have
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 3: to have the ability to say, I don't want to
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 3: do this today, but I want this in the future,
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 3: So I'm going to do this today so that in
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 3: the future I can succeed. That's abstract. That's hard for
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 3: a lot of people to grasp if they've never gone
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 3: through a process before, if they've never trusted a process
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 3: of improvement. This is one of the reasons why sports
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 3: are so important for young people, or any kind of
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 3: pursuit like learning how to play guitar, learning anything that's
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 3: difficult to learn, because you realize there's a process. You
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 3: realize you start off sucky and then you get better
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 3: over time. But if you are never doing anything like that,
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 3: if you're just existing and you've never been challenged to
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 3: try to improve, its something that's very difficult. You don't
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 3: understand the striving. The perfection is striving and even that term,
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 3: I don't like that. Term excellence is a better term.
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 3: You're striving for excellence. Perfection is not possible in anything.
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  Speaker 3: There's no there's nothing perfect that no matter what you do,
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  Speaker 3: there's always going to be a failure. It's a human error.
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 3: There's always going to be You might get to like,
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 3: here's a perfect example in games of pool, Like in
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 3: professional pool matches, the rarest of rare matches is a
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 3: match where a guy runs out the entire set. That means, like, say,
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 3: if you and I are playing a race to ten okay,
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 3: which means the first guy to make ten games in
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  Speaker 3: a row. If you're really good, you might break and
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 3: have an open run on the first rack and break
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 3: and have an open run on the second rack and
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 3: break it. You might run ten racks in a row.
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  Speaker 3: It's been done. Earl Strickland did it for a million dollars.
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 3: He won a million dollars at a tournament and they
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 3: wind up fucking them. But Earl Strickland's like one of
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 3: the greatest pool players of all time, but they had
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 3: a million dollar insurance policy if someone could run ten
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 3: racks to make the tournament more exciting ten racks in
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 3: a row, they won a million dollars. Where Earl Strickland
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 3: is a mad genius and like he's one of the
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 3: greatest players of all time, and he knew there was
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 3: a million dollars in the lines. This motherfucker came focused
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 3: and he broke and ran a ten pack and they
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 3: didn't want to pay him, like this is bullshit, but
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 3: it was on film. The whole thing's crazy, But that's
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 3: a thousand Nobody does that, and if you do it,
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 3: you're gonna fall apart in the next game. You'll have
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 3: another match like the next day. You're never gonna be perfect,
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 3: You're always gonna miss. It's just humans. There's gonna be air.
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 3: You know, Michael Jordan, as good as he was, didn't
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 3: make every basketball. You know, Mike Tyson lost fights. You're
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 3: a human. There's no perfection, but there is excellence, and
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 3: that's what people are pursuing. Really, I don't like that
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 3: term affectionism.
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  Speaker 4: I think what's maybe useful about the term is that
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 4: it because that is the term, it belies the futility
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  Speaker 4: of pursuing it. In containing it, it kind of mocks
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 4: the pursuit of it itself.
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 3: Exactly because it look it is ridiculous when you're talking
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 3: about appearance. It's ridiculous when you talk about frivolous things
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 3: that are meaningless. But when you're talking about Magnus Walker
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 3: playing chess or Magnus Carlson playing chess, that means something
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 3: like that's a crazy thing that that guy's able to
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 3: do that pursuit of extreme excellence is celebrated when Messi
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 3: plays soccer, you know when when when someone is an outlier, like,
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 3: we love that. So this idea that you shouldn't love
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 3: the most excellent of excellent people that are the most
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 3: celebrated in society. And there's a problem with people chasing excellence. Okay,
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 3: if you're saying there's a problem with people chasing perfect appearances,
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 3: because then you get dysmorphia and you start looking at
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 3: yourself all weird. Then you get anorexia, or you get
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 3: your lips done you don't know they're too big. That Yeah,
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 3: that's fucked up. That pursuit of perfection's insane, the perfection
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 3: of But we're not We're not capable of achieving perfection.
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 3: We are capable of achieving excellence. So if you call
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 3: it perfection, it sounds like it's a problem. If you
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 3: call it excellence, it sounds like a pursuit. Yeah. Uh.
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 4: Federa readly interesting stat that I found out about him.
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 4: He won maybe about eighty eighty five percent of the
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 4: matches that he played across his entire career. Crazy, but
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 4: he only won about fifty six percent of the pints.
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 3: That's the edge. And you have to be a madman
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 3: to work hard enough to beat everybody eighty five percent
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 3: of the time. You have to be a mad man.
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 3: How many fucking people or playing tennis? How many freak
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 3: athletes are out there fucking whacking balls all day doing
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 3: sprints lifts.
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  Speaker 4: Nearly fifty of the points that he played crazy. I
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 4: fucking love that stat. Yeah, there's this this great line
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 4: that the curse of discipline is that every day looks
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 4: the same, and the curse of indiscipline is that every
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 4: year looks the same.
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  Speaker 3: Ooh, I like that.
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 4: And I've been thinking about the relationship between discipline, motivation,
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 4: and obsession. So I think obsessions kind of pretty misunderstood
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 4: feed by a lot of people, even the people that
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 4: have got it.
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 3: Sometimes it's also dismissed by people that wish they had
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 3: it and they don't have it, and they mock it,
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 3: how so, because they look at someone who's like obsessed
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 3: with doing something and they're like, oh, he's fucking lost
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 3: his whole life playing that stupid game where he's given
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 3: up his whole life for his music, Like what's the point, Like,
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of people that want to dismiss the outliers.
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 3: Maybe they don't like the way they stack up against them.
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 3: And someone's like the best at something. You watch some
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 3: guy that can just do this thing that no one
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 3: else can do the way he does it. Like there's
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 3: a bunch of people that celebrate it, for sure, but
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 3: there's always going to be a bunch of people that
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 3: think there's something wrong with it.
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 4: Being threatened by obsessions kind of interesting. So everybody wants
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 4: to I think it's to do your relationship with friction.
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 4: So discipline is friction accepted. It's like I will force
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 4: myself to do the thing regardless of how hard it is.
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 4: Motivation would be friction removed, which is like I want
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 4: to do the thing, And then obsession is friction inverted,
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 4: like I can't not do the thing. I'm pulled toward it.
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 4: It's harder for me to not train that it is
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 4: for me to train. It's harder for me to not
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 4: play guitar than it is for me to play guitar.
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 4: So it's all about that relationship. And this is why
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 4: I think people get so confused, because from the outside,
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 4: obsession can look a lot like someone just using a
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 4: shit ton of discipline, just gritting their teeth and getting
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 4: through it. What you don't realize from the inside, they
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 4: have no choice. They have no choice but to do
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 4: it all that they want. They go to sleep thinking
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 4: about it, they wake up thinking about it. Yeah, they
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 4: have no There is no way that they can stop
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 4: them solved from doing this thing. And this is why
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 4: it's dangerous. Obsession gets a bad rap because if it's
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 4: pointed toward politics or pawn.
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 3: Or your ex or video games.
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 4: Or video games or weed or you know whatever, thing,
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 4: that becomes very dangerous. Right, And this is why some people,
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 4: and I'm gonna guess this is you, it's certainly me.
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 4: Some people have problem solving brains. They're always kind of
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 4: rotating a little Rubik's cube in their mind, thinking, how
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 4: can I this is an interesting challenge for me to face,
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 4: And how can I change the thing? How would I
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 4: fix this thing? Just playing with ideas or trying to
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 4: get better at something. They're always working on something. Someone
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 4: that's got a problem solving brain but doesn't have any
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 4: good problems to solve will just chew themselves up. They
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 4: will eat themselves inside out, because that is when you
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 4: get obsessed with stuff that you shouldn't do. That is
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 4: when you get obsessed with pawn or politics, or your
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 4: toxic X or that person that you think that's that
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 4: cut you off in traffic, and that's when you chase
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 4: after them. That is the kind of problem solving brain
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 4: without a good problem to solve. And I think a
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 4: lot of people feel a degree of shame or at
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 4: the very least like they're marionetted by this problem solving
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 4: brain by the speed of what they're going through the
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 4: fact that they're always turning something. They can't really get
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 4: it to switch off. And I think a much easier
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 4: solution than trying to stop yourself from solving problems is
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 4: to just give yourself better problems to solve. It's to
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 4: start a business, it's to get a pursuit that you
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 4: really care about.
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 3: But this sounds very simplistic, though we're talking about like
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 3: a legitimate mental health issue with a lot of people
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 3: that don't have the awareness to stop a pattern. You know,
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 3: like there's a lot of people that need a friend
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 3: and they don't have any friends, and so they need
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 3: a counselor they need someone, they need someone who can
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 3: talk to them about what they're doing. And give them
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 3: some tools as to how to navigate out of it,
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 3: because there's a lot of people that are just stuck
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 3: in that rut. I agree, And they could be really good.
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 3: Like there's people that are wasting their live gambling that
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 3: could be really good at something else. They could be
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 3: really good.
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  Speaker 4: If you applied that effort, that dedication, that obsession to something.
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 4: I completely agree. I think the funny thing for anyone
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 4: that's on the right side of their obsession, they're applying
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 4: it to something that's positive. Kind of a nice situation
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 4: to realize, Hey, you weren't that far away from being
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 4: that guy on the street.
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 3: Right right, if you're honest with yourself, honest.
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 4: Your level of obsession could have directed you toward that
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 4: that destruction, that distraction, that that's like self immolation. You
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 4: you're not that far away from it. It's the same fuel,
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 4: it's the same fuel cells.
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just about directing it in a good way
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 3: and figuring out way that's going to be most beneficial
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 3: to you and the people around you. And some people
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 3: just aren't good at that problem solving. Yep.
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 4: And I think your right to point to what you
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 4: do in childhood sport is just hey, if you work
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 4: hard incrementally at these component skills, there is an outcome
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 4: in terms of performance that will happen in future. Yeah,
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 4: these small amounts, these little efforts will contribute to what
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 4: you do when you get there. There's delayed gratification. Step
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 4: by step by step you work, and it's just it
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 4: kind of lays the physics of the system. Yes, right, okay,
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 4: and then you get into adulthood and you go, well,
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 4: I understand, like delaying gratification is important. I can win
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 4: the Marshmallow test today, which means I can get something
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 4: that I want in future. I need to think over
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 4: a longer time horizon. Typically I can use my Like
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 4: another thing that's kind of fascinating about that obsession pieces.
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 4: When you look at someone like Jocko as a good example,
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 4: what looks like obsession now oh sorry, what looks like
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 4: discipline is probably just who he is. The four thirty
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 4: am thing, the kettlebell swayings, the training. At one point
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 4: he was obset by that. That was probably what he
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 4: thought about most. I know it was when he was
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 4: still in the seals, like that was what he wanted.
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 4: You just want you to get as big and as
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 4: jacked and as lethal as possible. I don't think that's
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 4: quite his priority in the same way now. But what
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 4: you see, if you allow yourself to have positive obsessions
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 4: and for them to cool over time, you basically start
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 4: to build up these layers of a pyramid, which is, well,
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 4: I'm not obsessed by training, but I used to when
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 4: I was in my twenties. And now my training obsession
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 4: is just who I am. It's cooled, like lava's sort
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 4: of cooled into the core of this planet, and it's
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 4: now who I've become. So my training is just part
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 4: of my life. And then, okay, what was the net. Well,
• 2:30:41
  Speaker 4: I started to learn I wanted to tell the truth.
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 4: I wanted to be an upstanding person, so I started
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 4: to maybe go to therapy or I worked on my
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 4: mental health a little bit more. And okay, that's now cooled.
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 4: That was an obsession for a while, and now I've
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 4: moved on to the next thing. And I really wanted
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 4: to build this skill and I wanted to become a
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 4: good father, so I worked out how I could deal
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 4: with my emotions when interacting with my kids, and now
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 4: I've got that skill over time. Serial obsessives, I think
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 4: whether it's in business or in training or in personal development,
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 4: what you end up with is this unbelievably like well
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 4: rounded person. But if you don't allow yourself to wear
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 4: that obsession for a while, and a lot of the
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 4: time when people get obsessed with stuff, they feel guilty,
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 4: they feel a little ashamed of it, they want to
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 4: push back against it. But it's the freest discipline and
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 4: motivation you're ever going to get. You're never going to
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 4: find what it.
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 3: Feels guilty about being obsessed about things.
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 4: I think sometimes people do about good things. The mockery
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 4: of your friends around you, Oh do go go and
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 4: play guitar again? Are we are going to go a
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 4: little music thing? Is that going?
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 3: Well? Anybody who falls victim to that, that you deserve it,
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 3: because that's so silly.
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 4: You need to stand up for what it is that
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 4: you want.
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 3: I don't all the times in my life when I've
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 3: been obsessed by things, if anybody tried to mock me
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 3: being obsessed by it, I'd be like, fuck you, who
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 3: cares what you think? Okay, couldn't have cared less.
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 4: That's interesting. I don't know whether it's a British the mockery,
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 4: the toll coppy thing is a huge part of British
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 4: culture if you diverge from the normal path.
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 3: Yes it is.
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 4: You know, we have the same number of universities in
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 4: the top ten globally, but we produce twenty percent of
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 4: the entrepreneurs compared with America. And I think that a
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 4: lot of that is attitude. It's not fucking Cambridge, Kings, London,
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 4: Oxford like, these aren't rinky dink organizations. They attract unbelievable talent.
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 4: Why is it that we're not producing the same kind
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 4: of orthogonal thinker, self starter, sovereign, high agency people that
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 4: you might get out of America. And I think a
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 4: lot of it is it's just not as encouraged. It's
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 4: not and it's a shame. And I wish that I
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 4: could like gift some of the enthusiasm back to the
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 4: Americans basically have permanent first line cocaine energy. That's just
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 4: like so enthusiastic about everything, and some Americans that's true,
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 4: but I just I wish that I could get that back.
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 4: I wish I could push that back toward the UK.
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 4: So it's something that would make a massive difference.
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 3: Sure, I'm sure it would, but it's very difficult to
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 3: change the way the whole country thinks. It's like the
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 3: attitude of the country, this is the attitude of this
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 3: country is you could make it here, like you could.
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 3: Everybody feels like they're just a few good deals away
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 3: from being rich, just a they're a millionaire that just
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 3: hasn't made it yet.
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 4: Like that's I think it's one of the reasons that
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 4: the victimhood culture here has kicked off more though that
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 4: in the UK you don't expect to be able to
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 4: become much like. It's very class system still over that
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 4: when you're a kid, you're not told that you can
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 4: be anything that you want to be. If you diverge
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 4: from the path, one of the first things that happens
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 4: is what are you doing that for. It's a stupid idea,
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 4: good in some ways because it keeps your feet on
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 4: the ground, but bad in other ways because it means
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 4: that you don't go for it, you don't take the
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 4: big swings. In the same way, in the US, I
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 4: get the sense that kids that are told you it
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 4: can be anything you want to be. The American dream
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 4: is still very much alive. If you work hard, you
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 4: can raise yourself up pick yourself up by your bootstraps
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 4: and become something. Okay, what happens if you arrive in
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 4: adulthood and you're not given that which you felt you
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 4: were promised as a kid, Well, that feels like someone's
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 4: taken it away from you. That feels like someone's stolen
• 2:34:20
  Speaker 4: your rightful, your promise. This is the same reason, interestingly enough,
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 4: the same reason why career the women in career are
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 4: some of the most left leaning in the world. Supposedly
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 4: that they were given equal access to education over the
• 2:34:36
  Speaker 4: last few decades, and that meant that as a quite
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 4: patriarchal society, they were constrained not able to access education
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 4: the same way. They finally get into it, they're emancipated,
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 4: they're getting degrees and higher education at the same rate
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 4: as the men. And then they get into the real
• 2:34:52
  Speaker 4: world and all of the employment opportunities haven't caught up,
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 4: and it's still very sexist when it comes to the
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 4: way that employe and promotions and wages. Is still a
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 4: big wage gap there. And what that means is in
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 4: the same way as the American child that was promised
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 4: all of this stuff as a kid doesn't get delivered
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 4: it when they become an adult. A lot of the
• 2:35:10
  Speaker 4: women in Korea, it seems, were promised a lot through
• 2:35:14
  Speaker 4: their education and then they arrive and the rug feels
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 4: like it's being pulled out from underneath them by a
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 4: workforce that is still kind of in the darker in
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 4: their equivalent of the dark ages. But this is people
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 4: throw their toys out of the prem Why would they not?
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 4: I think that I deserve this, And yeah, the victimhood
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 4: culture in America is I don't know. I wish I
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 4: could take some of the bits of America and put
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 4: them in the UK, and some of the bits of
• 2:35:40
  Speaker 4: the UK and put them in America, and I think
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 4: we'd end up that was what it used to be.
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 4: Fuck it, we'll just bring it back together again.
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think you're always going to have people that
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 3: are dissatisfied with their station in life. The question is, like,
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 3: were they equipped with the tools to create a better
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 3: life when they were younger, and whether they were equipped
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 3: by their family or they equipped by whatever thing they
• 2:36:05
  Speaker 3: got into, a sport they got into when they were young,
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 3: or some sort of a discipline where they realized this.
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 3: It's really important that kids realize at an early age
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 3: about a process of improvement. Trusting the process. That's a
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 3: common phrase you hear when it comes to anything that
• 2:36:20
  Speaker 3: you're trying to do. This difficult in this country. Trust
• 2:36:23
  Speaker 3: the process, Trust the process. You hear about that with coaches,
• 2:36:27
  Speaker 3: like in MMA fighters, they're always saying that we got
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 3: to trust the process. That there's a process of build
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 3: up up to a big fight. There's a process of
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 3: improvement to get your black belt, there's a process of
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 3: improvement as you rise through the amateur ranks into a
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 3: professional rights. You got to do things the right way
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 3: and keep doing them and you're going to get better.
• 2:36:43
  Speaker 3: Some people never learn that, and then they get to
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 3: a point where they think things should have already happened,
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 3: and why haven't things happened for me? And then they
• 2:36:51
  Speaker 3: get angry, you know, And it's a lot of it
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 3: is it's very difficult to find a good environment, very
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 3: difficult to find, like mind, people that are empowering, and
• 2:37:02
  Speaker 3: when you're around them, you feel better, you feel motivated,
• 2:37:04
  Speaker 3: you feel inspired. That's also hugely critical for people. It's
• 2:37:10
  Speaker 3: a like people want to think I'm a non wolf
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 3: fuck off. There's no no one like that. That's all bullshit.
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 3: Those people are very depressed.
• 2:37:18
  Speaker 4: Where do you think the trust thing comes from? Because trust, yeah, yeah,
• 2:37:21
  Speaker 4: the trust of the process, I think a lot of
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 4: people want.
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 3: It's people that have done it before. You have to
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 3: learn from people that have already done it. Like if
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 3: you're learning from a wrestling coach, you're learning from a
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 3: coach that wrestled. There's no wrestling coaches that didn't wrestle.
• 2:37:35
  Speaker 3: They all wrestle, and that you learn from them that
• 2:37:38
  Speaker 3: there's a process and this is what you're gonna do,
• 2:37:40
  Speaker 3: and this is how we're gonna get better. And trust me,
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 3: when week three comes along and you can run this
• 2:37:45
  Speaker 3: hill a lot easier than you run it today, you're
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 3: going to be thankful for these five am practices. Like, yes, sir,
• 2:37:51
  Speaker 3: you gotta trust the process. And if you have a
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 3: good coach, the good coach will show you at every
• 2:37:56
  Speaker 3: step of the way. As you're improving, you'll hit a
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 3: move and I'll say, you see how smooth did you
• 2:38:00
  Speaker 3: hit that? You couldn't hit that move last?
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 4: So true, it's so true. The inability to be able
• 2:38:05
  Speaker 4: to see your own progress, to be able to see
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 4: what you're doing. I think for a lot of people,
• 2:38:09
  Speaker 4: goals are contracts. To self criticize until we succeed, and
• 2:38:13
  Speaker 4: that's how people whip themselves into submission. And that's the
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 4: problem with the perfectionism side of things. It's opposed to excellence,
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 4: right if you were to say I am not enough
• 2:38:21
  Speaker 4: unless I am perfect, as opposed to I am good
• 2:38:24
  Speaker 4: if I keep improving. That seems to be one of
• 2:38:26
  Speaker 4: the differences between the two. But yeah, like goals being
• 2:38:30
  Speaker 4: contracts to self criticize until we succeed, that's not what
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 4: a coach would do. I'm sure that wasn't when you
• 2:38:35
  Speaker 4: were teaching fucking taekwondo and someone for the first time
• 2:38:38
  Speaker 4: managers to land this cake or they win all. It's
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 4: really really close. You can pick out the elements, but
• 2:38:44
  Speaker 4: so many people have got coaches in their mind that
• 2:38:47
  Speaker 4: are that only ever focusing on the negatives.
• 2:38:50
  Speaker 3: If you have a good coach and you're in a
• 2:38:53
  Speaker 3: sport with a bunch of other people that are doing well,
• 2:38:56
  Speaker 3: it's like statistically proven that your level will be higher
• 2:39:00
  Speaker 3: than someone who has a bad coach that's around other
• 2:39:04
  Speaker 3: people that aren't as good. That's just how it always is.
• 2:39:06
  Speaker 3: The best athletes always come from the great programs, you know,
• 2:39:09
  Speaker 3: whether it's Oklahoma State University wrestling or whatever the fuck
• 2:39:13
  Speaker 3: it is. There's always like a bunch of different killers
• 2:39:15
  Speaker 3: that come from a great environment with great coaching. People
• 2:39:19
  Speaker 3: don't have that in life, right. If you had great
• 2:39:21
  Speaker 3: coaching in life and you were surrounded by a bunch
• 2:39:24
  Speaker 3: of other fucking division I all Americans who are like
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 3: getting after it every day, you would be motivated. But
• 2:39:30
  Speaker 3: most people aren't. And this is part of the problem.
• 2:39:33
  Speaker 3: Most people are surrounded by equally lost people who are sad,
• 2:39:38
  Speaker 3: and it's hard to rise above. It's hard to say,
• 2:39:41
  Speaker 3: I don't want to go to the bar because I'm
• 2:39:43
  Speaker 3: working on writing this book and I need to write
• 2:39:45
  Speaker 3: this book. Oh you're gonna fucking write the book and
• 2:39:47
  Speaker 3: you're gonna ignore your boys, like click. You got to
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 3: you gotta know when to find people that are productive
• 2:39:54
  Speaker 3: and healthy and are doing things similar to what you're doing,
• 2:39:57
  Speaker 3: things where you're like pursuing something that you really joy
• 2:40:00
  Speaker 3: and not just waste your fucking life away drinking every
• 2:40:03
  Speaker 3: day like a lot of people will do.
• 2:40:05
  Speaker 4: That perspective's hard to come by, though, it is because
• 2:40:07
  Speaker 4: you need to break out of the frame that you're
• 2:40:09
  Speaker 4: in already. This is the lonely chapter thing that I'm
• 2:40:11
  Speaker 4: kind of obsessed with. You're so developed that you don't
• 2:40:14
  Speaker 4: resonate with your old set of friends, but you're not
• 2:40:17
  Speaker 4: yet sufficiently developed that you've built up your new set
• 2:40:19
  Speaker 4: of friends, And there's this temptation to go back, to
• 2:40:22
  Speaker 4: go back to the old patents, the old habits, the
• 2:40:24
  Speaker 4: old modes of reassurance, just.
• 2:40:26
  Speaker 3: Like we were talking about with drug addicts falling off
• 2:40:28
  Speaker 3: the wagon because it's like it's easier, it's easier to fail.
• 2:40:31
  Speaker 4: It is simpler. And I guess what's interesting thinking about
• 2:40:37
  Speaker 4: choosing a new direction and having a degree of self assurance,
• 2:40:42
  Speaker 4: like living your life by design as opposed to default,
• 2:40:46
  Speaker 4: is one of the most important things. But I wonder
• 2:40:49
  Speaker 4: whether people that are in an environment where they don't
• 2:40:52
  Speaker 4: have any good role models, Like I didn't grow up
• 2:40:54
  Speaker 4: in a particularly like salubrious part of the UK. It's
• 2:40:58
  Speaker 4: the most working class town in the back end of
• 2:41:00
  Speaker 4: the northeast of England, and there weren't that many people
• 2:41:03
  Speaker 4: around me when I grew up that were like the
• 2:41:05
  Speaker 4: person I wanted to be like. But there were fucking
• 2:41:07
  Speaker 4: lots of people like the person I didn't want to
• 2:41:09
  Speaker 4: be like. I didn't want his relationship with gambling. I
• 2:41:11
  Speaker 4: didn't want the way that he kept on cheating on
• 2:41:13
  Speaker 4: his wife. I didn't like the fact that he used
• 2:41:14
  Speaker 4: alcohol to deal with his emotional problems. So, yeah, would
• 2:41:18
  Speaker 4: it be nice if you had the d one sports
• 2:41:21
  Speaker 4: coach as your next door neighbor every morning telling you
• 2:41:24
  Speaker 4: that you can we should go for a run because
• 2:41:26
  Speaker 4: the little timmy's going for a run as well. Yeah,
• 2:41:27
  Speaker 4: that'd be awesome. But if you don't have it, and
• 2:41:29
  Speaker 4: you've got some people around you that are reverse role models,
• 2:41:32
  Speaker 4: you can quite easily. You can make a lot of
• 2:41:34
  Speaker 4: progress in life by avoiding pitfalls, not just expediting success,
• 2:41:38
  Speaker 4: definitely by weaving away from the things that you know
• 2:41:41
  Speaker 4: that you don't want.
• 2:41:42
  Speaker 3: The problem is a lot of those people will try
• 2:41:44
  Speaker 3: to drag you down, and if you're in close proximity
• 2:41:48
  Speaker 3: to them and you have to interact with them on
• 2:41:50
  Speaker 3: a regular basis, it could trip you up. But yeah,
• 2:41:52
  Speaker 3: a lot of people get motivated by like if you're
• 2:41:54
  Speaker 3: around people that are alcoholics and you see them ruin
• 2:41:56
  Speaker 3: their life, Like I have a friend his family was
• 2:41:58
  Speaker 3: alcoholics and how to drink his whole life. It's like,
• 2:42:01
  Speaker 3: I won't touch that shit ever, he saw it wreck
• 2:42:04
  Speaker 3: people's lives. Never had a desire to have alcohol, so
• 2:42:09
  Speaker 3: that was and you know, he became very successful, so
• 2:42:12
  Speaker 3: he figured out a way to just avoid all the
• 2:42:14
  Speaker 3: problems that all those people have. They motivated him. But
• 2:42:16
  Speaker 3: it's better to be motivated by someone who's doing something
• 2:42:18
  Speaker 3: you aspire.
• 2:42:19
  Speaker 4: To as opposed to trying to avoid something that's going wrong.
• 2:42:22
  Speaker 3: I think the option that people have now that was
• 2:42:25
  Speaker 3: never available before is you could hear people that you are,
• 2:42:30
  Speaker 3: that you admire or that you aspire to be like
• 2:42:33
  Speaker 3: what they are. You could hear him on the internet.
• 2:42:35
  Speaker 3: Now there's way more access to inspiration than ever before.
• 2:42:39
  Speaker 3: You know, when you have some high achiever who goes
• 2:42:41
  Speaker 3: on a podcast and has a conversation about something that
• 2:42:44
  Speaker 3: they do, and you can realize how this guy built
• 2:42:47
  Speaker 3: his company or built his life or became this amazing
• 2:42:49
  Speaker 3: athlete and what they went through. You can learn from
• 2:42:54
  Speaker 3: conversations that you're not in the room with. You know,
• 2:42:57
  Speaker 3: you don't get a chance to hang out with, you know,
• 2:43:00
  Speaker 3: David Goggins or whatever, but you get a chance to
• 2:43:02
  Speaker 3: listen to him talk now, where it just wasn't available before.
• 2:43:06
  Speaker 3: For all the different outliers, Like, like we're talking about
• 2:43:09
  Speaker 3: Larry Bird before, who the fuck was Larry Bird listening to?
• 2:43:12
  Speaker 3: He had to be listening to the other basketball players
• 2:43:14
  Speaker 3: that were playing with him that were all a bunch
• 2:43:16
  Speaker 3: of killers, Like that was the only way he got good,
• 2:43:18
  Speaker 3: Like he didn't have the Internet. He couldn't just go
• 2:43:20
  Speaker 3: on YouTube and five inspirational quotes, you know, he couldn't
• 2:43:23
  Speaker 3: listen to an Alan Watts lecture and have a new
• 2:43:25
  Speaker 3: perspective on life. It was harder. It's a lot harder.
• 2:43:28
  Speaker 3: It's a lot easier now. It's a lot easier now
• 2:43:31
  Speaker 3: to be inspired. It's a lot easier now to also
• 2:43:33
  Speaker 3: have examples of people that are living a life that
• 2:43:35
  Speaker 3: is aligned with what you're looking for versus what you
• 2:43:39
  Speaker 3: see around you all the time. You don't just accept
• 2:43:41
  Speaker 3: it anymore. People. There's a lot more people now that
• 2:43:45
  Speaker 3: are like, I've got to get the fuck away from
• 2:43:46
  Speaker 3: these people.
• 2:43:47
  Speaker 4: Well, because the alternative is that you're fortunately, like serendipitously,
• 2:43:53
  Speaker 4: just born into a culture. Whether some people like the
• 2:43:56
  Speaker 4: person you want to be like right next to you, right, Like,
• 2:43:58
  Speaker 4: how many people that are excellent individuals they're going to
• 2:44:02
  Speaker 4: go on to try to have the capacity to go
• 2:44:04
  Speaker 4: on to do something incredible. Are around other people that
• 2:44:07
  Speaker 4: are like that too, because by design, you're an outlier.
• 2:44:10
  Speaker 4: So if you're an outlier, there's gonna be fewer people
• 2:44:12
  Speaker 4: like you being able to hear people say I remember
• 2:44:16
  Speaker 4: I was listening to a pot a while ago and
• 2:44:19
  Speaker 4: there's this line on it. I think it was Mel
• 2:44:21
  Speaker 4: Robbins that said something like, all my life, I'd always
• 2:44:25
  Speaker 4: felt like someone was mad at me. I was like, huh,
• 2:44:28
  Speaker 4: I've never heard anybody put it that way before. All
• 2:44:30
  Speaker 4: my life, I'd ever.
• 2:44:31
  Speaker 3: Did Mel Robbins say this. Yeah, I've never listened to
• 2:44:34
  Speaker 3: a podcast. But Tim Dylan was making fun of her
• 2:44:37
  Speaker 3: today and it was the funniest shit I've ever heard
• 2:44:38
  Speaker 3: in my life. He goes, she makes Gary v sound
• 2:44:42
  Speaker 3: like Aristotle. Tim Dylan is the best. He's the best.
• 2:44:51
  Speaker 4: Have you seen Gary Vees talking about V friends recently?
• 2:44:54
  Speaker 4: Did you see this? Jamee have a little this? Okay,
• 2:44:58
  Speaker 4: don't make me do this? Okay, all right? You made
• 2:45:00
  Speaker 4: me watch a like Cake.
• 2:45:01
  Speaker 3: He's a nice guy. Yeah, he's a nice guy. I've
• 2:45:03
  Speaker 3: had him on the podcast for well.
• 2:45:04
  Speaker 4: Maybe we don't need to learn about that anyway. Just
• 2:45:07
  Speaker 4: My point is, regardless of who it comes from, you
• 2:45:08
  Speaker 4: can find inspiration in a variety of places.
• 2:45:11
  Speaker 3: You certainly can, But there's more now than ever before,
• 2:45:15
  Speaker 3: and there's never a time in human history where you
• 2:45:17
  Speaker 3: could be more inspired. You just have to seek it.
• 2:45:19
  Speaker 3: But you also have to avoid the tricks. There's all
• 2:45:22
  Speaker 3: a bunch of things that are gonna trick you and
• 2:45:24
  Speaker 3: steal your attention. You gotta avoid the nonsense, avoid the
• 2:45:27
  Speaker 3: nonsense on social media, and just find things that your
• 2:45:30
  Speaker 3: time is very valuable. And the same feeling that you
• 2:45:34
  Speaker 3: get out of watching it, like the same dopamine rush
• 2:45:38
  Speaker 3: that you get from watching a TikTok video that means nothing,
• 2:45:40
  Speaker 3: you also get from watching a YouTube video where you're
• 2:45:42
  Speaker 3: gonna learn something. It's like it's just as interesting.
• 2:45:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, talking about the thing, though, talking about the thing
• 2:45:47
  Speaker 4: and doing the thing vie for the same resources, So
• 2:45:50
  Speaker 4: you need to allocate yours appropriate. Yeah, Like how many
• 2:45:53
  Speaker 4: people are just great at talking about how that plans
• 2:45:56
  Speaker 4: are gonna go. This is what's gonna happen next. I
• 2:45:58
  Speaker 4: can't wait. I can't wait for this new business that's
• 2:46:01
  Speaker 4: going to go and it never happens.
• 2:46:03
  Speaker 3: Were you around when the secret was a big movie
• 2:46:06
  Speaker 3: and a bunch of people really believe that they could
• 2:46:08
  Speaker 3: just sort of manifest their life. Yes, by thinking about it. Yes,
• 2:46:11
  Speaker 3: that was a fascinating time, you know that.
• 2:46:14
  Speaker 4: Lady said that the reason the Boxing Day tsunami happened
• 2:46:18
  Speaker 4: in Thailand was because the citizens were giving off bad juju.
• 2:46:23
  Speaker 4: She basically said that they'd manifested. It was like thousands,
• 2:46:27
  Speaker 4: tens of thousands of people displaced because of a tsunami
• 2:46:30
  Speaker 4: that happened on Boxing Day.
• 2:46:31
  Speaker 3: Imagine.
• 2:46:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe in that, Ah, dude. The crazy thing
• 2:46:35
  Speaker 4: is the secret the visualization stuff, which I'm sure tons
• 2:46:39
  Speaker 4: and tons of the athletes that you've worked with or
• 2:46:41
  Speaker 4: think you commentate on, so many of them are using visualization.
• 2:46:44
  Speaker 4: But people forget that you need to actually go and
• 2:46:46
  Speaker 4: do the work as well. You'd think like God will
• 2:46:50
  Speaker 4: steer the boat, but you still have to row as
• 2:46:52
  Speaker 4: opposed to you can just sit in the boat and
• 2:46:54
  Speaker 4: think about it and you'll get rowed there yourself. And
• 2:46:56
  Speaker 4: that's the issue. The issue is that people want to
• 2:46:59
  Speaker 4: shortcut and if you can give them a short cut.
• 2:47:01
  Speaker 3: Okay, I think the visualization in the belief is an element.
• 2:47:06
  Speaker 3: It's an element if you can never see yourself succeeding,
• 2:47:09
  Speaker 3: you'll probably fuck it up somehow. But if you can
• 2:47:12
  Speaker 3: see yourself succeeding and you have a direct plan and
• 2:47:14
  Speaker 3: you also put in the work, your odds of success
• 2:47:16
  Speaker 3: are higher. That's all it is. But the people that
• 2:47:20
  Speaker 3: have said that they use the secret to succeed, they're
• 2:47:23
  Speaker 3: only the people that used it and it worked. How
• 2:47:26
  Speaker 3: many people used it and it didn't work probably a
• 2:47:28
  Speaker 3: fuck load more.
• 2:47:29
  Speaker 4: Survivor Shift bias is a hell of a drug. It
• 2:47:31
  Speaker 4: is a yeah, uh yeah, it's It's one thing to
• 2:47:36
  Speaker 4: get what you want, but it's another thing to want
• 2:47:38
  Speaker 4: what's worth getting in life.
• 2:47:39
  Speaker 3: Well's a lot of people believe that it was like
• 2:47:41
  Speaker 3: God's will for them to succeed. I knew God had
• 2:47:44
  Speaker 3: a plan for me. Okay, does God have a plan
• 2:47:47
  Speaker 3: for that dudeho's doing heroin in the corner? What about
• 2:47:50
  Speaker 3: the guy that's pissing on himself on skid rows? That
• 2:47:54
  Speaker 3: God have a plan for that guy? That's God doesn't
• 2:47:56
  Speaker 3: like him. I didn't like him when he was a baby.
• 2:47:58
  Speaker 3: I don't like him now. Fuck that guy. Give him fentanyl.
• 2:48:01
  Speaker 4: How do you how do you come to sort of
• 2:48:04
  Speaker 4: think about the unfairness of the hands that are being
• 2:48:07
  Speaker 4: dealt like, because when I think about that, it does
• 2:48:08
  Speaker 4: make me really sad. It makes me sad to think
• 2:48:10
  Speaker 4: about how unfortunate some people's like decks of gods.
• 2:48:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah man, oh yeah. I mean you can get born
• 2:48:17
  Speaker 3: to a pair of junkies. Two junkies can have sex
• 2:48:21
  Speaker 3: on skid row, and you're born addicted to fentanyl right
• 2:48:25
  Speaker 3: out of the box, and your life is fucked. Versus
• 2:48:28
  Speaker 3: if you have a child, you're a great guy, you're educated,
• 2:48:31
  Speaker 3: you're interesting, you're intelligent, your kid's gonna grow up with
• 2:48:33
  Speaker 3: a cool dad. It's like, it's like, it's not fair.
• 2:48:36
  Speaker 3: It's not even remotely fair, you know. And we don't
• 2:48:40
  Speaker 3: do enough to to fucking mitigate the unfairness. And I
• 2:48:45
  Speaker 3: don't mean in terms of like redistribution of wealth or
• 2:48:48
  Speaker 3: anything like that, like making sure there's not that level
• 2:48:52
  Speaker 3: of despair and poverty in a functional society, you know.
• 2:48:56
  Speaker 3: And the fact that there's almost no effort, no real
• 2:48:59
  Speaker 3: concern effort to clean up any of these problems that
• 2:49:03
  Speaker 3: we have had for decades upon decades upon decades in
• 2:49:06
  Speaker 3: our cities. It's kind of crazy. The amount of money
• 2:49:09
  Speaker 3: we spent on other things. We could have fixed that
• 2:49:11
  Speaker 3: a long time ago. You know, there's a lot of
• 2:49:15
  Speaker 3: conspiracies about that too, that they don't want that because
• 2:49:17
  Speaker 3: if more people become educated and more people become ambitious,
• 2:49:20
  Speaker 3: it's going to be harder to fuck them over. It's
• 2:49:22
  Speaker 3: going to be harder to force them to pay taxes
• 2:49:25
  Speaker 3: for an inefficient government that's stealing in and yes, too
• 2:49:29
  Speaker 3: many competent people, you won't be able to keep your
• 2:49:31
  Speaker 3: job being an incompetent legislator. You know, there's a lot
• 2:49:35
  Speaker 3: of theories about why schools suck so hard and there's
• 2:49:38
  Speaker 3: so little money being put into schools. So when you
• 2:49:41
  Speaker 3: think about the amount of power that a teacher has
• 2:49:45
  Speaker 3: over a child, expose you're working all day. Okay, you're
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  Speaker 3: at work. Your kid is with another adult, and then
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  Speaker 3: a different adult and in the next hour, and a
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  Speaker 3: different the next hour, and they're shaping their worldview for us.
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  Speaker 3: I'll ad seven eight hours a day, five days a
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  Speaker 3: week more than you. You're working all day, So you
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  Speaker 3: come home like, what are they two gen school? What daddy,
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  Speaker 3: they taught me I could be anything I want. I
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  Speaker 3: could be a girl. Oh god, daddy, they taught me
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  Speaker 3: how important communism is what ah fuck? And what are
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  Speaker 3: you gonna do. You're gonna go to the school and
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  Speaker 3: you're gonna yell at the meeting, And what do they
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  Speaker 3: do when that happens? They turn the parents into terrorists
• 2:50:24
  Speaker 3: to say the parents are terrorists. Why they've called parents
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  Speaker 3: terrorists for showing up at school board meetings and yelling
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  Speaker 3: that they don't want their kids being taught about sexuality
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  Speaker 3: or they don't want their kids being taught about this. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so they've there's school boards that have tried to censor
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  Speaker 3: parents and have tried to like label them domestic terrorists
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  Speaker 3: for trying to interrupt meetings and say that they don't
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  Speaker 3: want their children being taught these ways. And so then
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  Speaker 3: what are your options? Your homeschool? You got it all
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  Speaker 3: the time?
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  Speaker 4: Fuck a huge amount of costs.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it is weird.
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  Speaker 3: The weird out there.
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  Speaker 4: The state of the US education system at the moment
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  Speaker 4: seems fucking wild. There's these studies that came out of Illinois.
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  Speaker 4: Basically no one in high school could read like a
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  Speaker 4: fourth grade level. It's fucking insane. I saw a video
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  Speaker 4: of a teacher crying that none of the students were
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  Speaker 4: even remotely competent.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, what is a state that just because students were
• 2:51:24
  Speaker 3: doing so bad they completely dropped their standards. Was it Oregon?
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  Speaker 3: I forget what governor, but like ridiculously drop their standards
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  Speaker 3: for reading in math? Yeah, it's not good. I mean
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  Speaker 3: that would that should be something we're really concentrating on.
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  Speaker 3: It should be a really important thing in our world
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  Speaker 3: that's discussed every day, versus whether or not men can
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  Speaker 3: play in the WNBA.
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  Speaker 4: Meanwhile, Penn State had a cocaine ring at one of
• 2:51:56
  Speaker 4: the fraternities. Do you see that?
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  Speaker 3: A ring?
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  Speaker 4: Cocaine ring? So there was a ring, like two different fraternities.
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  Speaker 3: Were selling cocaine.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, not just selling cocaine, they were driving to Philadelphia
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  Speaker 4: on back in New York and back to like create
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  Speaker 4: a huge cartel, this massive, massive scandal. The dad of
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  Speaker 4: one of the guys that was in that was the
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  Speaker 4: leader of it, as some attorney dude that was like
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  Speaker 4: covering it up, putting money and drugs in the safe
• 2:52:20
  Speaker 4: and the pledges that were pledging to go into the
• 2:52:22
  Speaker 4: fraternities were made to cut and bag the cocaine.
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  Speaker 2: That's hilarious, Free Labe.
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  Speaker 3: What school was this?
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  Speaker 4: Penn State? My god, fourteen people arrested, including one of
• 2:52:33
  Speaker 4: them that was the dads. This kid's got like a
• 2:52:35
  Speaker 4: gazillion charges for it.
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  Speaker 3: It's meanwhile, they're just entrepreneurs.
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  Speaker 4: Look, we need to encourage they need to encourage an
• 2:52:42
  Speaker 4: entrepreneurial spirit.
• 2:52:43
  Speaker 3: It's the entrepreneurs in a bad direction. It's like what
• 2:52:46
  Speaker 3: we were talking about before the session, in the wrong direction.
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  Speaker 4: Why Penn State's great for wrestling, right, why didn't you
• 2:52:51
  Speaker 4: go into wrestling.
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  Speaker 3: Or imagine if they put all that effort into a
• 2:52:54
  Speaker 3: legitimate business. Yeah, they're probably getting out of college already wealthy.
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  Speaker 4: Speaking of that, did you see Ben Askrin returned to
• 2:53:02
  Speaker 4: wrestling one year after?
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  Speaker 3: Is yes, crazy.
• 2:53:05
  Speaker 4: I had him on the podic.
• 2:53:06
  Speaker 3: I can't believe he did it. It's so nuts. With
• 2:53:09
  Speaker 3: two lung replacements, he's got artific I mean, he's got
• 2:53:14
  Speaker 3: lung donations, like somebody gave him lungs and yeah, he
• 2:53:20
  Speaker 3: has to be on immunosuppressant store so his body doesn't
• 2:53:23
  Speaker 3: reject the lungs. But having lung transplants is crazy. Having
• 2:53:27
  Speaker 3: two is really crazy, and then wrestling a year later
• 2:53:30
  Speaker 3: is just beyond insane.
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  Speaker 4: He never looked at what the surgery was that he got.
• 2:53:35
  Speaker 4: He doesn't know how they did it. So I went
• 2:53:37
  Speaker 4: and had a luck and it's the full breast. It's
• 2:53:40
  Speaker 4: like your spread eagle from Reverse Fish.
• 2:53:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, I got a peen. We gotta wrap this up,
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  Speaker 3: all right, Christopher. It's always a good time to see you.
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  Speaker 4: Appreciate you, man, I appreciate you too.
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  Speaker 3: they can watch it.
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• 2:54:02
  Speaker 4: Hunter Biden episode. Yeah, I'm doing this. It's a mostly Wise,
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  Speaker 4: which is the new series. It's me and McCusker with
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  Speaker 4: a serious seat. Hunter Biden was a serious seat for one.
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