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POTB 572: Recapping IU basketball's mid-July exhibition with Rick Bozich · Podcast on the Brink

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to a new episode of Podcasts on the Brink, Friday,
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Speaker 1: July seventeenth, joined this week by my dad, US Basketball
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Speaker 1: Writers Association Hall of Famer Rick Bosch, also as you
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Speaker 1: if you're watching on YouTube, as you can see on
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Speaker 1: the screen, IU football observer since nineteen fifty nine, also
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Speaker 1: Indiana with a unique opportunity earlier this week from a
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Speaker 1: basketball perspective, to play an exhibition game. It happened Wednesday night,
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Speaker 1: no streaming, no radio. I would say not the greatest
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Speaker 1: estimating the turnout, but I would say somewhere in the
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Speaker 1: range of three to four thousand fans were there in
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Speaker 1: Assembly Hall. We were both there on press row watching
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Speaker 1: this exhibition. So wanted to hop on with a brief
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Speaker 1: episode just recapping what we were able to see. First
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Speaker 1: of all, welcome back to the show. Thanks obviously thanks
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Speaker 1: for taking the time to join us, But just high
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Speaker 1: level impressions from what you saw on Wednesday night, anything
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Speaker 1: that stood out. Obviously a unique atmosphere, not your typical
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Speaker 1: game day atmosphere to Assembly Hall, but it was an
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Speaker 1: exhibition game. Indiana wore USA jerseys because they're going to
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Speaker 1: be representing the United States upcoming off Feast to America
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Speaker 1: games down and approved, But just curious for your thoughts
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Speaker 1: at a high level on what you saw Wednesday night.
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Speaker 2: Well, first, thanks for having me on. Secondly, anything I
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Speaker 2: say needs to be put in the context of a
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Speaker 2: it's mid July basketball for a team that's only been
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Speaker 2: practicing for a few weeks. B against the kind of
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Speaker 2: competition that they will never face during the Big Ten
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Speaker 2: season for sure, undersized team that looked like they've been
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Speaker 2: together longer and was a little bit more cohesive, and
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Speaker 2: you know, didn't have any big men really at all.
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Speaker 2: So the results have to be viewed through that prism.
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Speaker 2: Saw a lot of things that I liked, saw a
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Speaker 2: few things that concerned me, but I saw mainly I
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Speaker 2: think overall, my number one impression is a more talented
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Speaker 2: team from one to nine than last year, and a
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Speaker 2: team that will have to play differently than last year,
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Speaker 2: and you know, a lot to work with. I like
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Speaker 2: the fact that it didn't seem last year's team I
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Speaker 2: thought was so dependent upon two players and if both
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Speaker 2: of those players didn't really play either good to great.
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Speaker 2: Every game Indiana struggled, especially in the second half when
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Speaker 2: you know they went through those droughts where they couldn't score,
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Speaker 2: got out scored like thirteen oh or whatever it was.
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Speaker 2: This team looks like it's not going to be dependent
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Speaker 2: upon one or two guys to get points.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the I just want to kind of bounce on
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Speaker 1: to some players and give some observations. You can tell
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Speaker 1: me if you agree, disagree otherwise. But obviously, the first
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Speaker 1: guy that I think a lot of people think about
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Speaker 1: when they think about the transfer portal classes, Marcus Burton
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Speaker 1: and the other you know I've watched. I've had the
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Speaker 1: opportunity to watch three practices this summer. This was your
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Speaker 1: first time seeing these guys in person. Obviously, Marcus Burton
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Speaker 1: comes from Notre Dame where he was just a big
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Speaker 1: part of that program for the last three years, and
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Speaker 1: all acc type player coming off an injury. He is
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Speaker 1: a guy that is a little bit undersized. Obviously he's
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Speaker 1: listed at six foot, but I don't think he's actually
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Speaker 1: six foot. I think he's closer probably to five to ten.
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Speaker 1: But that doesn't really stop him in terms of getting
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Speaker 1: where he wants to be with the ball, because he's
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Speaker 1: got a lot of quickness. He's got, you know, he
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Speaker 1: can get to places on the court with his speed
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Speaker 1: and quickness that maybe Indiana didn't have last year from
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Speaker 1: the point guard position. Satan Connorway was able to do
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Speaker 1: that at times and was when he got down hill,
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Speaker 1: was able to go make some things happen. But Burton
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Speaker 1: when the game ended, I think we were maybe talking
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Speaker 1: about this on the way home. On the drive home,
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Speaker 1: it didn't seem like he was really a standout, and
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Speaker 1: then you look at the stat sheet, he actually did
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Speaker 1: a lot of things pretty well. He rebounded the ball well,
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Speaker 1: he had some assists, he had some steals. To me,
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Speaker 1: I think the best vers that they can have next
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Speaker 1: season of Marcus Burton is not the guy maybe at
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Speaker 1: Notre Dame that averaged nineteen or twenty points, but a
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Speaker 1: guy that averages fourteen or fifteen points and maybe he
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Speaker 1: gets five or six assists and just runs the team
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Speaker 1: in an efficient way overall. You know, I think he's
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Speaker 1: been solid and impressive through the practices that I've seen
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Speaker 1: this summer, and also just from a perspective of having
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Speaker 1: someone back there who I think, you know what you're
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Speaker 1: going to get out of on a ninth to night basis,
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Speaker 1: I think you're a big problem was you know, with
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Speaker 1: connor enright not necessarily having the ability to score. He
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Speaker 1: has some games obviously where he made some three pointers,
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Speaker 1: and then Taton Connorway obviously fell out of the rotation
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Speaker 1: as a year went along. But I think with Marcus
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Speaker 1: Burton just the first thing I think of his stability,
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Speaker 1: what he's going to bring to that position.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess the first thing I'd say is that
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Speaker 2: would jumped out of me about Marcus Burton didn't make
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Speaker 2: many negative plays, and I think over the last ten
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Speaker 2: years we've seen Indiana point guards who were at times
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Speaker 2: a little reckless and made negative plays or tried to
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Speaker 2: do things they're not really capable of doing, and he
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Speaker 2: didn't really do that. I've seen Marcus Burton at Notre
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Speaker 2: Dame when they played Louisville at his absolute best, and
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Speaker 2: when he plays at that level, he's really good. He's
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Speaker 2: not like all American good, but he's you know, all
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Speaker 2: big ten good, and he can shoot, he can pass,
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Speaker 2: he can rebound. I thought it looked like he was
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Speaker 2: still trying to get comfortable with his big men and
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Speaker 2: how to run picking rolls with him. They tried a
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Speaker 2: little bit of that early and then they kind of
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Speaker 2: get got away from it. He didn't really I don't
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Speaker 2: think he really tried to dominate the ball and score
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Speaker 2: the way I've seen him do it at Notre Dame
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Speaker 2: in games, like when they got in games in the
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Speaker 2: second half of the needed points, he would be a
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Speaker 2: kind of guy and go get a basket. He wasn't
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Speaker 2: doing much of that. But overall, I give him a
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Speaker 2: solid B plus to a minus for the way he played.
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Speaker 2: He looked like, you know, every time he came out
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Speaker 2: of the game, I noticed the Devrees like pulled him
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Speaker 2: in close to talk to him, and he went like
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Speaker 2: they had a good interaction, like he was listening to
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Speaker 2: what he had to say. So overall, I think point
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Speaker 2: guard will be one of Indiana's better positions next season.
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Speaker 1: And then obviously the other perimeter guys just kind of
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Speaker 1: want to quickly bounce to some of these guys. Bryce lindsay,
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Speaker 1: I was impressed with just how confident he seemed to
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Speaker 1: be in what he was doing. He seemed like a
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Speaker 1: guy that knows where he's supposed to be, kind of
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Speaker 1: knows where to go to try to get his shots
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Speaker 1: in the court, is confident in what he's doing. He
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Speaker 1: handled the ball a little bit. I think he had
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Speaker 1: six assists as well, So I think he's a guy
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Speaker 1: that when Burton goes to the bench, is going to
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Speaker 1: be able to slide over and play some point guard.
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Speaker 1: I think he's just the best way to describe him
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Speaker 1: as a confident player. He's not going to be a
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Speaker 1: guy that's tentative when he gets an opportunity to take
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Speaker 1: a shot. Darren Harris is a guy that doesn't really
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Speaker 1: stand out from an athletic standpoint, but I think he's
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Speaker 1: gonna be a guy that there's gonna be some games
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Speaker 1: where he gets hot from three and all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: he's made three or four three pointers, and that's gonna
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Speaker 1: be a big help for Indiana because there's obviously a
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Speaker 1: ton of shooting to replace with Lamar Wilkerson and Tucker
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Speaker 1: to Reez Nick dorn All moving on to me, that's
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Speaker 1: the biggest asset that Harris has. But he also had
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Speaker 1: a couple of plays in the practices that I saw,
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Speaker 1: and then the other night where he went off the
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Speaker 1: dribble and scored a basket. I think he can do
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Speaker 1: a little bit of that as well. Prince Alexander Moody
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Speaker 1: I thought was impressive coming off the bench. He is
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Speaker 1: a guy that is a freshman, doesn't look like a freshman.
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Speaker 1: I think that's the best compliment you can give him.
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Speaker 1: He's more college ready in terms of his body than
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Speaker 1: the other two freshmen, Von Carvilla and Trevor Manhertz. I
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Speaker 1: think Moody's got a real chance to be a what
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Speaker 1: eight to twelve minute guy on a regular basis when
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Speaker 1: we get to the meat of the season as a
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Speaker 1: backup guard. I think just listening to Darren Deries talk
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Speaker 1: about in post game, he's definitely a guy I think
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Speaker 1: the coaching staff feels good about it, has some confidence
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Speaker 1: and just curious for your thoughts on any of those
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Speaker 1: three guys what you saw in terms of what they
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Speaker 1: can bring. But I think overall the theme is kind
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Speaker 1: of what you said at the start. Maybe they don't
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Speaker 1: have that high level score that they had before in
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Speaker 1: Lamar Wilkerson, but I feel like from a consistency standpoint,
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Speaker 1: they have more guys on a given night can probably
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Speaker 1: get you nine to thirteen fourteen points. I'm not saying
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Speaker 1: those guys are all going to do that every night,
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Speaker 1: but I think there's more options and you're not going
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Speaker 1: to be as dependent on one or two guys to
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Speaker 1: do everything.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. I mean, Lindsey struck me
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Speaker 2: as competitor, blue collar, willing to mix it up, Comfortable
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Speaker 2: driving the ball, he did that several times, got to
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Speaker 2: the rim, comfortable shooting threes, was willing to defend. I
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Speaker 2: thought he was solid. He looked like a he's not
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Speaker 2: going to be an all Big ten player, but he'll
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Speaker 2: be a very solid Big ten player. And uh, some
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Speaker 2: games he'll contribute big numbers. In some games he probably won't.
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Speaker 2: I think he'll And he's a he's a what a
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Speaker 2: fourth year guy? Fourth or fifth year guy? Fourth year
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Speaker 2: He's mature, he's got a mature body. I liked him.
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Speaker 2: He's not you know, James black Ben or you know,
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Speaker 2: trying to think Jordan Hols or somebody like that. But
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Speaker 2: he's he's a good player. Harris, You're right. He's mainly
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Speaker 2: a three point shooter. He took seven, made three. All
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Speaker 2: the seven he took looked like they were within the offense.
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Speaker 2: He wasn't a guy who was hunting shots. He wasn't
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Speaker 2: a guy who was forcing shots. When he missed, they
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Speaker 2: were online. He'll be a guy. I think one night
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Speaker 2: he might have a game where he it's five or
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Speaker 2: six three, he's maybe seven. I don't know. He does
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Speaker 2: look like he could get on a streak. He looks
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Speaker 2: like a guy who's uh very confident and believes and
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Speaker 2: a three point shooting. He's not super athletic, so I
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Speaker 2: do have concerns. I guess about him defensively when he
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Speaker 2: goes against elite perimeter players. But he came from Duke
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Speaker 2: where he played for two years, so he's been coached
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Speaker 2: pretty well and I think he'll be he'll be a
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Speaker 2: solid contributor. Moody was the guy I loved the most
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Speaker 2: out of all of them, just because of first of all,
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Speaker 2: he doesn't look like a freshman. His body is more
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Speaker 2: mature than more freshmen. Secondly, he doesn't act like a freshman.
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Speaker 2: He wasn't tentative when he got in the game. He
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Speaker 2: acted like he was in charge of what they were doing.
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Speaker 2: He did defend with a lot of enthusiasm. I thought
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Speaker 2: all the freshmen did. Like the freshman seemed to get
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Speaker 2: the memo like you got to guard people in college basketball,
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Speaker 2: and Moody exemplified that more than anybody. He had a
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Speaker 2: few steals. And how many threes did he make? He mean,
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Speaker 2: what three three threes?
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Speaker 3: I think two or three?
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Speaker 2: Two or three? His shot looked good. I mean, he
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Speaker 2: looks like a guy to me, like in his sophomore
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Speaker 2: year he could be an all Big ten type player.
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Speaker 2: You could tell that he played at a high level
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Speaker 2: of high school basketball in the Washington, DC area, and
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Speaker 2: he's been tested by other guys who are good, and
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Speaker 2: he knows. He's got that sensibility about him that he
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Speaker 2: belongs a lot of freshmen, no matter how accomplished they are,
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Speaker 2: when they come into college, you know, outwardly they might
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Speaker 2: act like they believe it, but inwardly they're not sure.
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Speaker 2: He looked like to me a guy who believed inwardly
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Speaker 2: that he belonged out there. And I really liked him.
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Speaker 2: He's to me, was he rated seventy five or sixty
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Speaker 2: five or something. He looked like a top forty type
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Speaker 2: player than me.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're you know, I hesitate to make comparisons between
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Speaker 1: former players, but one guy he's kind of, I don't
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Speaker 1: want to say, reminded me of completely, but does some
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Speaker 1: things similar to how Robert Johnson did when he came
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Speaker 1: in Indiana. Obviously different in terms of athleticism, but I
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Speaker 1: think they have some similarities in terms of player and
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Speaker 1: I think that's you look at a player like what
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Speaker 1: a guy can potentially become like if he's that level
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Speaker 1: of player as a freshman. And you know, obviously I
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Speaker 1: don't think he's going to be starting as a freshman
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Speaker 1: or playing that many minutes like a guy like rob
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Speaker 1: Johnson did, But I think as his career progresses along,
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Speaker 1: if he can be that type of player, then I
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Speaker 1: think that's a really positive thing for a program. So
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Speaker 1: he's he's been a guy that you know, I've just
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Speaker 1: from watching the open practices and watching the exhibition the
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Speaker 1: other night, I was impressed with what he was able
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Speaker 1: to do. I want to move on to the front
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Speaker 1: court here for a second, because I thought that was
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Speaker 1: a little bit of a mixed bag of other night.
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Speaker 1: Don't want obviously, draw any conclusions from a exhibition game.
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Speaker 1: Aiden Cherrelle was super impressed with and been impressed with
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Speaker 1: him in the open practices. Did have a couple of
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Speaker 1: plays where he dribbled the ball up the court and
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Speaker 1: kind of held on to it too long, and I'm
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Speaker 1: sure they're going to tell him, you know, you got
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Speaker 1: to stopped doing that.
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Speaker 3: But made some three pointers.
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Speaker 1: Definitely, it feels like he's comfortable with the ball on
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Speaker 1: the perimeter. I think he's gonna be a guy that's
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Speaker 1: gonna be able to get some assists, guys, you know,
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Speaker 1: making back cuts and doing different things like that, just
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Speaker 1: from being you know, just comfortable with the ball. With
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Speaker 1: his passing, I thought he was pretty good in that regard.
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Speaker 1: From the perimeter, it's going to be a guy obviously
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Speaker 1: he can go to the offensive glass.
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Speaker 3: He's got tremendous length.
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Speaker 1: He blocked i think three shots in the all in
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Speaker 1: the first half, and it was it was a smaller opponent,
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Speaker 1: not necessarily the most athletic, but his length is gonna
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Speaker 1: make him a guy that can get you know, a
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Speaker 1: couple of blocks per game. I think on most nights
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Speaker 1: and be it a turn at the rim, cement Igatoglu
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Speaker 1: not necessarily a great night for him. I thought a
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Speaker 1: couple of times he put the ball on the deck
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Speaker 1: when and dribbled a little bit too much into traffic
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Speaker 1: and guys were able to get in there swipe the
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Speaker 1: ball away. When he did get the ball all the
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Speaker 1: way to the rim, obviously there was no stopping him
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Speaker 1: because he's a really big guy and just finished plays
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Speaker 1: pretty well when he got the ball in the paint.
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Speaker 1: So don't want to draw too many definitive conclusions, but
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Speaker 1: I was super impressed with Cherrell and obviously have some
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Speaker 1: questions with Egatoblu, just in terms of, you know, how
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Speaker 1: he's going to fit in with the offense. Obviously they're
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Speaker 1: going to play two bigs, but I think for him
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Speaker 1: to be most effective, he needs to be excellent at
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Speaker 1: setting screens. He needs to just wall up at the
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Speaker 1: rim defensively, be a guy that can go in and
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Speaker 1: get some offensive rebounds, get some easy putbacks, and be
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Speaker 1: a really good defensive rebounder. Obviously, he was a proven
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Speaker 1: player last year at SMU, and maybe it was just
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Speaker 1: a bad night, but I didn't think it was particularly
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Speaker 1: a great night for him on Wednesday.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Charrelle did a lot of good things. He could Actually,
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Speaker 2: you could see why he was one of the most
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Speaker 2: sought after players in the portal because he's big, he's physical,
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Speaker 2: and he's athletic, and he had good bounce, good moves
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Speaker 2: around the the basket, and he looks like a natural shooter.
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Speaker 2: He's not like a big guy trying to prove he
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Speaker 2: can shoot. He can shoot. I'd like to see him
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Speaker 2: play a little bit more around the basket and use
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Speaker 2: his athleticism and physicality and size to his advantage. But
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Speaker 2: you know, he's going to be a front court player
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Speaker 2: who's going to probably go outside and shoot some threes,
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Speaker 2: and when it happens, they have to have somebody else
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Speaker 2: inside to offensive rebound, since Darren Devrez made a point
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Speaker 2: after the game to say they want to be an
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Speaker 2: elite offensive rebounding team. If that's going to happen and
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Speaker 2: Scharell's going to shoot threes, other people are going to
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Speaker 2: have to be in there and rebound. The two plays
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Speaker 2: that you're talking about, I think everybody agreed, and the
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Speaker 2: fans were grumbling in assembly hall. He brought the ball
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Speaker 2: up the left side of the court in sort of
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Speaker 2: a crab dribble type of situation, and he wasn't he
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Speaker 2: wasn't going very fast, and he wasn't gaining an advantage,
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Speaker 2: and it didn't make any sense of like give the
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Speaker 2: ball to a guard and get the offense started, especially
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Speaker 2: in a game they had twenty four second shot clock.
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Speaker 2: That's why that seemed a little bit unnecessary. But I'm
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Speaker 2: sure he'll be when they've already watched the game film
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Speaker 2: on that and they've talked about that. But he's gonna
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Speaker 2: be good.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 2: He's got all the physical qualities that you need to
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Speaker 2: be a good player in the Big ten and they
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Speaker 2: haven't had a player like him for a number of years.
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Speaker 2: He's different than Tray Jackson Davis because Tray Jackson Davis's
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Speaker 2: game was inside and his Cherelle's game is is not
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Speaker 2: solely inside, it's both. And he's not as skilled I
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Speaker 2: think around the basket as Tray Jackson Davis was. And
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Speaker 2: I don't know about size wise, they're about the same size.
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Speaker 2: But he's he's the best big man they've probably had
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Speaker 2: since Trace Jackson Davis. I mean, where was good, but where.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd say, where's where's better?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, bigger, and he's more of a pure center. This
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Speaker 2: guy's a forward. You're right, and the big from Turkey.
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Speaker 2: What's his name again? I can't want to mispronounce. He
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Speaker 2: had an okay game. He looked considering who he was
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Speaker 2: going against, in the size of the other team, you
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Speaker 2: would expect him to be more dominant than he was,
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Speaker 2: and he wasn't. Uh. And the thing that you're talking
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Speaker 2: about is several times he would get the ball down
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Speaker 2: by the rim or get offensive rebounding. Instead of just
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Speaker 2: going back up, he took the ball down a load
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Speaker 2: to gather himself and get balance and power and take
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Speaker 2: it back up. And he was stopped from doing it.
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Speaker 2: And I saw Kenny Johnson one time telling him, like,
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Speaker 2: don't do that. So that's gonna have to be coached
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Speaker 2: out of him. They ran some early pick and roll
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Speaker 2: with him. It was of mixed results. Uh, But you know,
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Speaker 2: he's he's got some work to do to get better.
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Speaker 2: Got to become more fluid, gotta become a little bit
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Speaker 2: more dynamic. But he is big, and he does have
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Speaker 2: a track record. It's not like we're talking about about
18:58
Speaker 2: a guy who's you you're looking at. He averaged whatever
19:02
Speaker 2: he averaged, you know, in some foreign league.
19:04
Speaker 1: Ten and no, he averaged ten and eight last year.
19:06
Speaker 1: It's SMUN tournament team.
19:08
Speaker 2: So he had some good games in the ACC. But
19:11
Speaker 2: he's not going to be, you know, a first, second
19:14
Speaker 2: or third team All Conference player. He's going to be
19:16
Speaker 2: a you know, I think his ceiling is a slightly
19:20
Speaker 2: above average big ten center. He's not going to be
19:23
Speaker 2: an elite big ten center unless he makes a big
19:25
Speaker 2: jump forward.
19:25
Speaker 3: So I mean, I do think.
19:27
Speaker 1: He moves pretty well for a guy his size. I mean,
19:29
Speaker 1: you see a lot of guys that are big men
19:34
Speaker 1: that never really fully grow into their bodies and don't
19:36
Speaker 1: really it seems like they're mechanical sometimes in the way
19:39
Speaker 1: they move some guys. I don't think he's like that
19:42
Speaker 1: at all. And when I've watched him in the open practices,
19:44
Speaker 1: he's actually been pretty good. So again, I don't want
19:46
Speaker 1: to draw too many conclusions off one game, but you know,
19:49
Speaker 1: I think there's obviously some things to work on. He's
19:51
Speaker 1: obviously not going to play in these games upcoming in Peru,
19:53
Speaker 1: so he'll have some time to just kind of watch
19:57
Speaker 1: from the sidelines in those games. And work on some
20:00
Speaker 1: things as they get back into fall workouts, and I
20:03
Speaker 1: think he's going to be a guy that I think
20:06
Speaker 1: as long as he can be solid defensively at the
20:09
Speaker 1: rim and be a good rebounder, if you get you know,
20:13
Speaker 1: eight to ten points from him on a given night,
20:16
Speaker 1: I think that's probably what you're what the goal is.
20:19
Speaker 1: He's not going to be a guy that you're going
20:20
Speaker 1: to just run a bunch of post ups for and
20:22
Speaker 1: dump the ball down and say go to work. I mean,
20:24
Speaker 1: he's going to have some games probably where the primary
20:28
Speaker 1: primarily his offensive touches come from second chance points and
20:32
Speaker 1: maybe some dump offs at the rim. But I don't
20:34
Speaker 1: think he's going to be a guy that you just
20:35
Speaker 1: post up and say go to work. And that would
20:37
Speaker 1: be more cherrelle at times because he's a little bit
20:40
Speaker 1: more skilled with the ball around the rim. But overall,
20:43
Speaker 1: you know, I think he's to go up against some
20:47
Speaker 1: of these teams in the Big Ten that have the
20:49
Speaker 1: size that they do. I think you got to have
20:51
Speaker 1: a guy who's, you know, legit six' ten six to.
20:54
Speaker 1: Eleven he's seven foot two so at two hundred and seventy,
20:56
Speaker 1: pounds so not many teams are going to be able
20:58
Speaker 1: to move him, around so, overall he's in net. Positive,
21:00
Speaker 1: addition a couple other GUYS i wanted to ask About Trent.
21:04
Speaker 1: Sislely you, Know I've i've watched him in the open
21:08
Speaker 1: practices as, well And i've been impressed With he looks
21:11
Speaker 1: to me stronger in the upper. Body likes he's putting
21:13
Speaker 1: on a little bit of. Weight AND i asked him
21:15
Speaker 1: at one point when we had a chance to talk
21:17
Speaker 1: to him about, that and he mentioned he put on fifteen.
21:20
Speaker 1: POUNDS i think he can definitely tell in his upper.
21:22
Speaker 1: Body he's the guy that he played with a ton of.
21:25
Speaker 1: ENERGY i thought last year at times, too but defensively
21:28
Speaker 1: had some. BREAKDOWNS i thought the other night he played
21:31
Speaker 1: relatively well and is a guy that you know long.
21:34
Speaker 1: Term okay over, there, yeah, OKAY i think he's a
21:39
Speaker 1: guy that could you know he's going to be the
21:43
Speaker 1: primary backup at the four and maybe.
21:49
Speaker 3: Playing some got. IT i agree with.
21:54
Speaker 2: YOU i, mean he looked like a, sophomore not like a.
21:56
Speaker 2: Freshman he's been in the weight, Room he's took conditioning,
21:59
Speaker 2: serious he took getting stronger. Seriously he realized to be
22:02
Speaker 2: in the big. Ten one thing you can a lot
22:05
Speaker 2: of happen is to get pushed. Around he looked like
22:09
Speaker 2: a guy who can probably play several spots on the.
22:12
Speaker 2: Floor he'll probably have to play some four his primary.
22:16
Speaker 2: Spot if you, know the big guy gets in foul
22:21
Speaker 2: trouble And sharrell has to go to the, Center he'll
22:24
Speaker 2: play power. Forward he could play some small. Forward i'd
22:28
Speaker 2: imagine In peru he might have to play some, center
22:32
Speaker 2: you know When sharrell comes off the floor and gets a,
22:35
Speaker 2: break unless they play. Winker but he's going to play
22:39
Speaker 2: a variety of. Positions you. Know the thing with him
22:43
Speaker 2: that he's going to have to prove still is that
22:45
Speaker 2: he could his outside shot has become more. DEADLY i
22:48
Speaker 2: know he really struggled last year from three. Right it
22:51
Speaker 2: didn't take a ton of, him BUT i think he hit,
22:52
Speaker 2: less what less than twenty? Percent it wasn't.
22:55
Speaker 3: Great think he was high twenties percentage, okay.
22:59
Speaker 2: Total you, know he's got, ability and he's the only
23:06
Speaker 2: guy that was on the team last year who knows the.
23:08
Speaker 2: System so he's familiar with WHAT cavz wants to do
23:13
Speaker 2: and how he wants to do. It so he should
23:15
Speaker 2: become somewhat of a leader in that, regard and he's
23:18
Speaker 2: a guy that wants to be At indiana because everybody
23:19
Speaker 2: else left and he wants to. Stay so those are
23:22
Speaker 2: all things in his. Favor WHAT i think the thing
23:25
Speaker 2: that needs to happen for him is he needs to
23:29
Speaker 2: have a stretch of games when he plays and produces
23:32
Speaker 2: and then it's, like you, know he can relax a
23:35
Speaker 2: little bit and just. Play he's proven himself that he's a.
23:38
Speaker 2: Contributor that's like the next marker he needs to get
23:42
Speaker 2: through of like have, success and then once you have,
23:45
Speaker 2: success you don't put so much pressure on yourself to
23:48
Speaker 2: try and prove that you really. Belong.
23:51
Speaker 3: Yeah He.
23:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, overall HE'S i think going to be better with
23:57
Speaker 1: the year of experience under his. Belt he did have
24:00
Speaker 1: some games last year WHERE i think The marquette, game
24:03
Speaker 1: in The Kansas state game earlier in the year where
24:04
Speaker 1: he came in and made an impact against a high major.
24:06
Speaker 1: Opponent but they need him this year to be productive and.
24:10
Speaker 1: Reliable just from a death. Perspective he is the primary
24:14
Speaker 1: backup right now in terms of front court. Players the
24:17
Speaker 1: last two, guys at least the scholarship guys that wanted
24:21
Speaker 1: to get To Von carvila. AGAIN i think for a
24:25
Speaker 1: while everyone's been Saying. CARVALLA i, understand you, Know i've
24:28
Speaker 1: talked to a couple of. People It's carvila as the last,
24:30
Speaker 1: name how it's. Pronounced he's a guy THAT i thought
24:35
Speaker 1: when him And manhartz came in in that first half
24:38
Speaker 1: off the, bench that was kind of When indiana really
24:40
Speaker 1: got going there in that first. Quarter, again you don't
24:42
Speaker 1: draw a ton of conclusions out of an exhibition game
24:45
Speaker 1: against an overmatched, opponent BUT i think he's a guy
24:48
Speaker 1: that from a long term development, perspective has a ton of.
24:52
Speaker 1: Talent was a top, fifty top sixty five type of
24:56
Speaker 1: kid coming in to high, school are coming in from high,
24:59
Speaker 1: school a guy that can obviously make some perimeter shots
25:03
Speaker 1: and finish plays at the. Rim. Uh and Then manhurts
25:07
Speaker 1: was impressedive the other. Night is to catch and shoot
25:09
Speaker 1: type of. Player he's obviously got some strength to put
25:13
Speaker 1: on and you, know gotta continue to build his. Confidence
25:20
Speaker 1: BUT i thought it was a good first night for
25:22
Speaker 1: both of those. Guys not necessarily that either one of
25:26
Speaker 1: them will be.
25:28
Speaker 3: In the rotation.
25:29
Speaker 1: PERMANENTLY i think when the meat of the game, starts
25:31
Speaker 1: but they're GUYS i think they can give you some
25:34
Speaker 1: energy off the bench at, times especially early in the
25:36
Speaker 1: season against maybe some of the guarantee type. Opponents AND
25:40
Speaker 1: i think those are two guys that long, term if
25:42
Speaker 1: you can keep them around and develop, them they can
25:45
Speaker 1: be helpful in the.
25:45
Speaker 2: Program, Yeah carvila looked as, advertised above average, athleticism decent,
25:55
Speaker 2: shooter good ball, handler can get to the. Rim hustler
26:02
Speaker 2: going to have to get stronger, though AS i mentioned
26:04
Speaker 2: in the car in the ride, home not just supper,
26:06
Speaker 2: body lower body and rear. End your whole body has
26:10
Speaker 2: to get stronger to hold up in the big ten
26:12
Speaker 2: because you're going against you, know twenty, two twenty, three
26:16
Speaker 2: twenty one year old men who've been in the weight
26:18
Speaker 2: room and are naturally built to be. Stronger so when
26:21
Speaker 2: he does, that have a better chance to do the
26:24
Speaker 2: things he wants to. Do Matt hurts looked like a better.
26:29
Speaker 2: Shooter he looked like a guy who believes every shot
26:31
Speaker 2: he's going to take is going to go. In WHAT
26:34
Speaker 2: i liked about him is the shots that he took
26:36
Speaker 2: were at the three point. Line he wasn't shooting some
26:39
Speaker 2: of those shots that bugged me last year of four
26:42
Speaker 2: or five feet behind the three point, LINE i.
26:46
Speaker 3: Didn't in, FACT i didn't see anybody do.
26:48
Speaker 2: That, yeah they, didn't and that's. GOOD i hope that
26:52
Speaker 2: continues because they're only worth three points no matter if
26:54
Speaker 2: they're from twenty two feet or twenty seven, feet and
26:58
Speaker 2: the percentage is much higher at twenty two. Ft and
27:01
Speaker 2: he he looked like a guy who knew that he
27:05
Speaker 2: was a three point, shooter had been coached to be
27:07
Speaker 2: a three point, shooter and knew how to get to a,
27:10
Speaker 2: spot and it's up then to somebody else to get
27:13
Speaker 2: him to the. Ball and when he got the, ball
27:15
Speaker 2: he he had a quick enough release that it would
27:18
Speaker 2: be hard for some people to close out on. Him
27:21
Speaker 2: so again has to get stronger upper body and lower
27:25
Speaker 2: body has to get a little bit. Quicker probably carvallis carvelous.
27:29
Speaker 2: Quicker but they both have potential to be really good.
27:33
Speaker 2: PLAYERS i don't know about impactful players as freshman as
27:36
Speaker 2: much As moody's going to. Be BUT i, think if you,
27:40
Speaker 2: know it's dangerous to say that in today's world because
27:42
Speaker 2: you never know who's going to. Stay but he's a
27:45
Speaker 2: guy THAT i think could have a really nice. Career,
27:48
Speaker 2: uh he's it's got a Little Brian evans in. HIM
27:51
Speaker 2: i GUESS i compare WHENEVER i see a left hand
27:53
Speaker 2: or At, INDIANA i compare him To Brian, evans and
27:56
Speaker 2: he's got that kind of a. Shot.
27:58
Speaker 3: Yeah right, now he's primarily just catch and shoot.
28:00
Speaker 1: Guy BUT i think for him to be to maximize his,
28:04
Speaker 1: potential this is man hurts long, term he's gonna have
28:06
Speaker 1: to be able to do a couple of things off
28:07
Speaker 1: the dribble and just be more than a catch and shoot.
28:10
Speaker 1: Guy but if you're six, eight which he looks to,
28:13
Speaker 1: me to me like he's legitimately six seven six, eight
28:17
Speaker 1: and you can shoot the three like, he you, know
28:20
Speaker 1: at least appears to be able, to and how he
28:22
Speaker 1: was billed as a shooter coming, in he's gonna have.
28:24
Speaker 1: Value so those two, guys, again as you, mentioned and
28:28
Speaker 1: AS i said, earlier it's about retaining them and then
28:33
Speaker 1: developing them over the next couple of, years AND i
28:35
Speaker 1: think they can definitely be productive pieces in the.
28:39
Speaker 3: Future.
28:40
Speaker 1: Obviously Now indiana goes on to the Feastsu America games
28:44
Speaker 1: down In, Lima. Peru right, now details are pretty scarce
28:48
Speaker 1: just in terms of what the schedule is going to
28:50
Speaker 1: look like down. There as of, yesterday you, KNOW i
28:53
Speaker 1: went on the website down there and still no schedule
28:56
Speaker 1: for the. Games we'll see how everything develops, there but
28:59
Speaker 1: my understanding is they're gonna start playing next week early
29:03
Speaker 1: in the.
29:03
Speaker 3: Week.
29:04
Speaker 1: Uh still no word for sure as to whether the
29:06
Speaker 1: games are gonna be available to. Stream, originally they had
29:09
Speaker 1: mentioned that they thought there was gonna be an option
29:11
Speaker 1: to stream those. Games so we'll obviously be following From
29:15
Speaker 1: afar and you Asked darren De, REES i found a
29:18
Speaker 1: couple of interesting questions just about the competition level that
29:20
Speaker 1: they're gonna play down. There he admitted that they're not
29:24
Speaker 1: really sure who they're gonna. Play they they don't know
29:25
Speaker 1: much about these. Teams SO i think it's gonna be
29:28
Speaker 1: actually a pretty good learning experience for these. Guys they're
29:30
Speaker 1: not gonna these games aren't going to be scouted like
29:32
Speaker 1: a normal college.
29:33
Speaker 3: Game they're not gonna have a bunch of.
29:35
Speaker 1: Film, Uh they're gonna have to go in AND i
29:37
Speaker 1: think in some cases play against teams with older. GUYS i,
29:40
Speaker 1: mean there's gonna be, Teams like my understanding is there's
29:42
Speaker 1: gonna be a team For, Peru, Brazil. ARGENTINA i, mean
29:46
Speaker 1: these are countries that they could have some some good
29:48
Speaker 1: talented players that and they're gonna BE i, think probably
29:52
Speaker 1: motivated to play good against a team from The United
29:56
Speaker 1: states and have a chance, to you, know to when
29:59
Speaker 1: they an upset.
30:00
Speaker 3: Game SO i think.
30:01
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to, watch just obviously following it From,
30:04
Speaker 1: afar how they perform down, there and a good opportunity
30:08
Speaker 1: for the young guys to get down there and get some.
30:10
Speaker 2: Experience, YEAH i thought he mentioned That brazil might be
30:14
Speaker 2: the first team they, play And brazil has a really
30:16
Speaker 2: good history in international. BASKETBALL i covered one year when
30:20
Speaker 2: they beat THE us and The PanAm games In. Indianapolis
30:22
Speaker 2: they basketball is probably their second favorite sport down there after,
30:26
Speaker 2: soccer and typically in these things they are guys that
30:29
Speaker 2: are probably going to be twenty three to twenty six years.
30:31
Speaker 2: Old AND i believe he mentioned That baylor went down
30:34
Speaker 2: there last year and got beat SO i don't expect
30:37
Speaker 2: him to go five and zero or whatever it. Called
30:40
Speaker 2: AND i think it's a good thing that it's you,
30:42
Speaker 2: know teams they haven't, scouted so it's not going to
30:45
Speaker 2: be all this film breakdown it's just, like go out and,
30:48
Speaker 2: play and it's good for the coaching. Staff this is
30:50
Speaker 2: what they're. Doing we have to adjust on the. Fly
30:53
Speaker 2: they don't have a time to make a game plan
30:55
Speaker 2: the day before and set it. Up they have to
30:57
Speaker 2: figure out what the other team's doing and what they're
30:59
Speaker 2: taking an advantage of and figure out as the game.
31:03
Speaker 2: Unfolds and it'll be good for him to play. Too
31:06
Speaker 2: without the big, guy other guys will have to play
31:09
Speaker 2: different positions and they'll get more minutes and THAT'LL i
31:12
Speaker 2: imagine that'll Help manhurtzon And carvilill get more minutes Because
31:17
Speaker 2: i'll have to play it at the forward spots as
31:19
Speaker 2: sicily moves. Inside so all in, all, plus anytime you
31:23
Speaker 2: play games like, that it's a. Plus you just have
31:26
Speaker 2: to hope that nobody gets hurt or sick or, whatever
31:28
Speaker 2: and then they get a, BREAK i Think Darren dere,
31:31
Speaker 2: said until the school starts at the end Of.
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