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  laced up let's go it's time for better with the
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  boys welcome back to banter with the boys gridiron
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  updates week five preview and picks rob our co
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  -host is here i'm smelty by the way i never introduced
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  myself but rob's here by the way our co -host
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  we're here we're back uh quarter way through
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  the state the season so it's going quickly so
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  sure i think teams are starting to find their
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  identity and we kind of can see what teams are
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  made of so it's uh getting fun getting fun getting
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  fun uh to my left here jake our ravens fan here
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  for another episode heck yeah let's do this Getting
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  amped for his picks here. That's right. Damn,
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  we should have added Kev to our picks. What are
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  we doing? Oh, man. Kevin won 5 -0. Yeah, Kev
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  goes 5 -0 every week. Yeah, naturally. Wow, for
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  some reason I can't get into my Google Drive.
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  Oh, no, now I am. Okay, here we go. He's back.
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  I was just trying to get our predictions up because
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  I updated everything. Oh, where are we at? Before
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  we do this week's picks. So, real quick. Okay,
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  so Ben, do you remember Ben? Yep. A Packer fan
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  from one of the two Packer fans I ran last year.
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  Ben wanted to get in on the pick action. Even
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  though he wasn't on the show yet. I said, no
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  problem. He went one and four in his first week.
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  Well, you've got to live dangerously to catch
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  up. Yeah, you've got to take risks out here.
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  Jake in his first week, two and three. Not bad
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  for a rookie. Dom threw his first. Dom's got
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  three weeks of picks in right now. Dom's sitting
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  at 7 -8. That's consistently 500. Where do you
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  think you're at right now? I guess I'm probably
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  9 -7. 10 -10. There you go. Your boy's leading
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  for one, so it's not going to last all year.
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  No, it's not. Screenshot that. I should. I'm
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  sitting at 12 and 8. You should probably actually
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  look at it. You guys might just count the numbers.
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  Matt got me last year. I was counting one, and
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  he was like. Nah, you didn't win that game. I
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  was like, oh, shit. Hey, shout out Matt. Yeah,
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  hey, Matt. Go through all the episodes. You got
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  to count these, buddy. We need some math. Yeah,
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  we need some math from Matt. Matt, you got to
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  get on the show, buddy. What the heck? Anyway,
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  all right, let's move on. All right, let's get
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  ready here. Let's get ready. Where are we at?
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  First game. Chiefs. Well, this isn't really the
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  first game of the week, but that's okay. I've
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  already said it. So, Chiefs traveling to Jacksonville
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  for Monday Night Football. That's a good one.
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  Good matchup over the NFL getting it going. It's
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  not a bad matchup. It's really interesting there.
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  The Chiefs coming off a hot game. Jaguars winning
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  a game that I picked against all the way across.
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  Chiefs two and a half favorites, by the way.
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  That's what I'm seeing. I got three and a half.
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  But either way. Oh, no. I see three and a half.
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  I'm looking at something else. But, you know.
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  Trevor's playing a solid game. ETN's nice. Brian
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  Thomas Jr. Needs decent numbers. I mean, but
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  they're just moving the ball effectively. Not
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  turning the ball over. Defense is kind of getting
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  after it. Hunter's playing good. But Chiefs had
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  a great week. Chiefs did have a great week. Coming
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  off a hot week. And that's why I'm actually going
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  with the Chiefs. Because I think they're back.
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  They got the vibe going now. Chiefs are back.
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  So. Chiefs fan. Worthy coming back with the dynamics
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  of him being able to run. Adds a whole other
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  element. Kelsey is just Kelsey in the middle.
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  He's just going to continue to do his 5 for 50
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  all day long. Running game still bothers me a
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  little bit. Yeah, doesn't really exist. But I
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  still like the Chiefs' defense enough. You know,
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  they stopped the rush pretty well. And then Spagnola
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  was very creative on getting some pressures and
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  making Trevor look a little foolish, I think.
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  The Chiefs' defense flowed really well against
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  the Ravens. It did. It filled really fast, too.
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  I mean, I don't know. That defense did look kind
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  of scary against the Ravens, personally. Jake,
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  who you got? I like all of your points, Rob.
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  Thank you. They're solid. Notes that I had coming
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  out of the Chiefs -Ravens game that are worth
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  bringing up here. I love he comes with notes.
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  I know. Prepared. So I liked seeing that Patrick
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  Mahomes did not lead the team in rushing yards
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  last week. Bonus. However, it still wasn't a
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  running back. It was Xavier Worthy. You want
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  your running back to lead your team in rushing
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  yards. He had 43, 46? 38. I'll take Worthy over
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  Mahomes. Yeah, exactly. So you're going to take
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  your wins where you can there. They still need
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  to work on that running game. But Worthy is so
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  dynamic. And the Jags haven't played against
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  an elite quarterback. True. And 49ers, well,
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  they played the Texans. I would consider CJ Strauss
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  below the elite level. You're fine with that,
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  I think. So I'm picking Chiefs because it's Patrick
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  Mahomes. I think they've got it figured out now
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  with Worthy back. And then look out once Rice
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  comes back, too. They're going to be scary. And
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  Spags is always good at scheming. So I have a
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  lot of faith in that defense to shut down the
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  Jags, too. Chiefs. To shut down Trevor Lawrence
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  and Etienne. Are you kidding me? Oh, I know which
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  way this is going. I kid you not. Smelty, what
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  are you thinking? The Jaguars. Just to be different.
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  And just because they both are coming off a win.
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  It's just going to be a clash in Jacksonville.
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  It's going to be fine. Trevor Lawrence didn't
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  throw any picks last week. I mean, finally, you
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  know what I mean? So, like, here we go. Take
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  care of the ball. Take care of the ball and see
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  what happens. Never know. Don't turn it over.
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  Be in the game at the end of the game. Only four
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  picks this year so far. Let's just see what happens.
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  I think the Jags could do it this week. I think
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  the Jags could do it this week. It's really going
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  to depend on that defense. If the Jaguars defense
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  can really keep up with the Chiefs. Leading the
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  league in takeaways right now. You have that
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  going for you and your prick. For sure. Jaguars.
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  Dom and Ben both went Chiefs. Smart picks. Right,
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  right. I'm taking risks, you know what I mean?
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  Here's an interesting game here for you, Rob.
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  Curious to see where you're going to go on this
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  one. Bucs, Seahawks, both 3 -1. Right now I'm
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  seeing 3 .5 for the Seahawks, yeah? Mm -hmm.
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  Okay. Yeah, this is difficult. If you would have
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  asked, Jake, go ahead. I went to you first, but
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  I did throw it to you, so now I'm confusing it.
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  So we're just going to go to Jake. Go to Jake.
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  Hot potato. I can keep my thought going. Out
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  of all five games, this is the most difficult
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  one for me to pick. Really torn about a lot of
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  stuff. I think it depends on whether or not JSN
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  brings more dollars for the swear jar. I don't
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  know if you caught it. You got caught swearing
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  on the live mic. I heard it. On the Thursday
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  night game and the refs stared down. The stare
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  down by the ref was crazy. The comments were
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  awesome on that, by the way. It was all moms
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  like, oh, I wonder how many teens he raised.
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  That's what they said. But the second half performance
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  of the Bucs defense and offense, for that matter,
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  against the Eagles this past. this last week
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  i think is going to give them the edge over Seattle.
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  Seattle's not as good at home as they used to
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  be. So I think they've lost that edge and that
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  home field advantage a little bit. Ooh, you're
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  calling out the 12th man. I am calling out the
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  12th. Step up your game. 12th man is not what
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  it used to be. No, it's not. That's the title.
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  All the Seattle fans I've met that are from Seattle
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  are nuts, man. And Baker Mayfield's a scrapper.
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  He is. He's like a... Quarterback version of
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  Dan Campbell. He's biting kneecaps and taking
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  names. I like it. Whatever. I love the Bucs as
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  my pick here over Seattle. Okay. Fair enough.
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  I'm also going Bucs. I'm mainly just going Bucs
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  because for me it's a for sure. No, I'm not a
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  Bucs fan. Not a Bucs fan. But, I mean, they're
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  going to win their division, and I don't think
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  the Seahawks will win their division. I mean,
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  it's going to be a battle. For the NFC West.
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  So that's what it is for me. I mean, it's a divisional
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  playoff team against potential wildcard team.
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  You know what I mean? And I think the Bucs will
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  just be too much for them. I think the Bucs can
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  make a deep run, actually. So not a Bucs fan.
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  Not a Bucs fan. Okay. So you're going straight
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  across Bucs. I find this really interesting.
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  If I would have looked at this game back in preseason,
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  I would have took the Bucs. I think the loss
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  of Irvin and Evans really changed the dynamic
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  of that Bucs offense. You did see them struggle
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  against the Eagles last week. Seattle's secondary
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  probably considered top five in my book. And
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  then you mentioned Seattle hasn't been good as
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  a home lately, but they didn't have Sam Darnold
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  there. And he is on fire right now. Fun fact,
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  throwback uniform game. So we got creamsicles
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  against the old Royal Blue, which is I actually
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  like the creamsicles. I almost want to pick the
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  Bucs on this scenario just because of the jerseys.
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  But I'm going Seattle across the board here.
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  I was going to say, let me see if this helps
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  you. Dom and Ben both pick Seattle. Oh, yeah.
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  See? It's all the thoughts out there. It's the
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  thoughts out there. Yeah, and I think that I'm
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  not with the 12th man is completely gone. I think
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  that place is going to be rocking. I think it
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  will be a competitive game, but I think Seattle
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  will pull it out. All right. Seattle pulls it
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  out. All right. Kev, if you just had a shot in
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  the dark, who is it? He said Bucs. That's what
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  it's going to be, guys. That's what it is. And
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  if he was wrong, we're going to edit it to Seahawks.
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  Yes. Right? It'll sound very AI generated. All
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  right. Let's see. Let's see. Texans playing in
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  Baltimore. No, no, no. Both teams, surprisingly,
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  one and three. Yeah. So. I mean, we got to start
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  with Jake here. I know I just started with you
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  last time, but you know what? Screw that. You're
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  last. Let's see. We'll start with Dom and Ben.
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  How about that? Dom going with the Texans. Okay.
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  Let me just put that in here before I forget.
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  You want me to fire off here while you're typing
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  it up? Nope, because Ben's going with... You
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  think they're changing my decision? They might.
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  I doubt it. Is this the right picks? Did I tell
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  him? Oh, yeah. All right, so Ben's going with
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  the Ravens. Okay. Yeah, go for it, Rob. Ben's
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  going Ravens. That's bold. That is interesting.
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  So, yeah, Baltimore home game, but I think the
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  Texans are going to come out this one. Lamar's
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  not playing is going to be a huge factor. That
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  Texan defense, especially that pass wrestle with
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  Will Anderson and Hunter on the other side, they're
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  just going to get after it and make it a really
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  long day for Cooper. They're good enough to stop
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  the rush, I believe. And with all the secondary
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  issues, I mean, Nico Collins might have a little
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  day. We'll see on that aspect. But I think it'll
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  be, you know, seven, ten -point game. And it
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  ain't going to be a complete blowout. But I think
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  the Texans are going to edge out on this one.
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  Where are they sitting right now? Only one and
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  a half. Wow. Okay. I mean, that's the home field
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  thing, too. So. Hmm. But Woody Marks has been
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  a really interesting running back because that's
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  what the Texans have been kind of lacking is
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  a little bit of rushing game with Mixon still
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  out and Chubb, you know. So it's been a nice
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  little attitude, and that really helps out CJ.
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  You know, play action, I think that's where he's
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  best at when he gets that time. But just straight
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  drop, you know, no rushing, you know, effectiveness
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  really hurts them. Hmm. Deep thoughts. And that's
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  where I think the Ravens defense will get back
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  on track this week. The Ravens defense will win
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  this game. Cooper Rush will do just enough. From
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  the injury report. Just enough. Just enough.
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  But I think it's the Ravens defense that kind
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  of can get back on track this week. Okay. Did
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  you look at the Ravens injury report? It's okay.
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  Here we go. Watch them on the sidelines. Here
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  we go. Yeah, yeah. You see them on the sidelines.
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  Jake's going Texans. I already know. I am, yes.
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  We're going to get it out of the way. I'm picking
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  the Texans. I'm not stuttering. Over the Ravens.
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  New Ravens fan. No, that's an honest opinion.
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  It's good. Yeah, it's not a hot take. The defense
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  is just riddled with injuries. Riddled. Their
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  best defensive lineman out for the season. No
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  Kyle Van Noy, no Roquan Smith, Marlon Humphreys.
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  Roquan's out too? Yep. Uh -oh. We might get our
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  first official on air. No. I typed it in already.
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  I already picked it. I typed it in. Roquan's
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  my boy, though. I didn't think he was out. Dang
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  it. I mean, if he plays, he's going to be playing
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  hurt. So that's tough. And then on the offensive
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  side, obviously no Lamar. And then Ronnie Stanley
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  too. So that offensive line that's not been doing
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  good at blocking is getting worse. by losing
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  your starting left tackle. Yeah, the offensive
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  game plan is going to have to go through Derrick
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  Henry, and everybody knows that. Oh, for sure.
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  And I don't, like, no knock on Derrick Henry,
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  but I think we're not going to see another Jamal
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  Lewis, 2 ,000 yard, hey, our offense is only
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  as good as our running back kind of season like
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  we had. way back when with that so it it's just
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  brutal i don't like it but texans texans all
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  right let me ask this so if an opportunity because
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  they're going to be a little you know maybe under
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  center a little bit more maybe a little different
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  style with cooper rush obviously they're not
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  going to run the rpo game that lamar runs there
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  Could you see like how Zay Flowers is getting
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  on the backside? Who else could really, you know,
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  especially if they're putting eight in the box
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  the whole game. I don't feel like Bateman has
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  the outside speed to really take, especially
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  with Lannister, their other corner. So Likely's
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  back. You'll probably see a lot more two tight
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  ends. So maybe you'll see Andrews or Likely flare
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  out on some play actions. But as far as like
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  man beaters and stuff like that, it's good. gonna
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  be zay but it's like over the middle okay nothing
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  over the top no I'm just trying to see if you
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  want to switch your mind here. I'm locked in.
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  I'm going purple. If you're trying to convince
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  going over the top, it would probably be DeHop,
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  but I don't think he's got that. With Stingley
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  out there? Yeah, good luck. All right, we've
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  got to move on. We've got to move on. Our next
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  game, our Sunday night football game, the New
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  England Patriots traveling to the Buffalo Bills.
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  I believe both Ben and Dom both have taken the
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  Bills. this situation. I will follow along and
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  also take the Bills. I'd like to see the Patriots
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  keep taking that step forward. I just don't think
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  this team in Buffalo is just not the game to
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  do it. But it's Sunday night football. There's
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  going to be a lot of people watching. That's
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  why I wanted to talk about it. Buffalo comes
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  out 5 -0, though. I mean, real curious to see
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  if, A, James Cook can keep up what he's doing.
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  He's had a hell of a season so far running the
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  ball, to be honest with you. I think he's leading
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  the league in rushing touchdowns right now, too.
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  Sounds legit. And then I would really like to
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  see what Drake May does against the Bills defense.
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  Just curious. Against the Bills defense. With
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  Bills Mafia behind the defense, we'll see what
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  happens. See what happens. But I'm going Bills.
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  Going Bills. Bills. I think that's probably the
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  easiest one of the week for me. I mean, seven
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  and a half. As much as I don't want it to be.
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  I mean, it's interesting, you know, with like
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  an old school Bill Belgic style defenses, which
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  they still run there at, you know, Vrabel there.
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  I think especially a seven and a half. This is
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  a game where. I feel like the Patriots are slowly
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  improving. Can they compete in this game? Right,
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  slowly, just not quite fast. For sure. With the
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  7 .5, I think the Patriots will cover, but I
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  don't think they'll win. I still think the Buffalo
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  has too much. Josh Allen's playing MVP level.
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  I would take him to cover. Well, thank you for
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  that. Let's get our bets in then. Nope. But yeah,
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  Drake Mayhew is... It's easier to do with no
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  money. Yeah, true. Just bet the farm. So, yeah,
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  I'm going Bills. I think they have too much firepower.
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  That defense will get after it. Bills do struggle
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  against the rush a little bit, so that will be
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  interesting on a rush -heavy defense. That's
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  where I think the Patriots really can stay in
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  the game is effectively running the ball against
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  the Bills' defense. But if they get down big
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  where they have to put it on Drake's shoulders,
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  that's where he can get out of control. All right,
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  all right. What do you got, Drake? Well, if the
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  Giants can beat the Chargers. The Patriots can
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  beat the Bills. That's a great point. I'm glad
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  we're not talking about the Chargers this week.
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  That said, Buffalo stays undefeated. I don't
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  think there's anything more to add to that. So
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  bringing up the Giants beating the Chargers,
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  would you have picked the Giants to beat the
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  Chargers last week? No, absolutely not. Right
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  on. So if the Patriots win, it's going to be
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  another like, whoa. Yeah. No, I feel. All right,
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  let's just get into it. Last game, obviously
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  the only one we give a crap about, including
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  Jake. Vikings at the Browns, technically, but
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  not really, because it's in London. Dylan Gabriel
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  getting his first start for the Cleveland Browns.
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  Is that going to be enough for the Browns, Rob?
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  Well, it's kind of better. Their offense has
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  been so stagnant, legitimately. Just going to
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  wake them up a little bit. Well, I can't hurt
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  at this point, you know. It's going to be really
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  interesting to see how Gabriel Ham's B flow looks.
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  It's going to be super confusing for him. Browns
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  do have a legit defense. I'm not going to hide
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  from there. Garrett still can definitely get
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  off the ball. Depending where he's lining up
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  with our left or right tackle. I was going to
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  have to follow him. That would be crazy. I don't
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  think so. That would be crazy. But, yeah, so
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  school's probably going to get the start of the
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  right. I felt – did he play better on the right
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  side than he does on the left side maybe just
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  because he's not the blind side? Hopefully. Yeah,
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  I mean, that's my positive thing. I didn't pay
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  enough attention to it. And we went and sees
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  him coming. Yeah. If I'm Cleveland, I'm putting
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  Garrett over. Oh, for sure. For sure. But you're
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  obviously going to see a lot of Oliver and T.
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  Hawkinson sitting on that side for a chip. For
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  sure. So you're going to see that. Yeah, Oliver's
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  going to have to have a big game with that. So
• 19:17
  I just think we just have enough to get it done.
• 19:20
  And I don't think the Browns offense is going
• 19:22
  to put over 20 points. So if we get to the 17.
• 19:26
  21 -point mark. I feel like we're going to get
• 19:28
  the dub on this one. Makes me feel good, too.
• 19:32
  Yeah, it's going to be how the Browns defense
• 19:34
  is. They can really, you know. And we just need
• 19:39
  to be up by halftime. Give Carson time. That's
• 19:44
  my thing. Give him some time to throw the ball.
• 19:46
  I'm going Vikings, too, but give him some time.
• 19:49
  Yeah, Mason's got to get going. I'm not worried
• 19:53
  about our defense against their offense. But,
• 19:54
  yeah, like you said, I mean, obviously we know.
• 19:56
  We've been talking about it probably since preseason.
• 19:59
  You know, Cleveland's defense is for real. And,
• 20:02
  I mean, they came out and pretty much put the
• 20:04
  hammer down on the Packers. They were playing
• 20:06
  really well. So that does have me concerned,
• 20:10
  considering our offense doesn't necessarily look.
• 20:12
  They were competitive last week, too, the Browns,
• 20:15
  that first half. 100%. This isn't a given, but
• 20:18
  it's a given because I'm a Vikings fan. Homer
• 20:20
  take. I love it. Yeah, again, we're going to
• 20:24
  continue to beat the drum. Browns defense, legit.
• 20:27
  Super Bowl caliber defense, the way that they're
• 20:30
  playing. AFC North mind. Yeah. We saw the Steelers
• 20:37
  beat up the Vikings, and we saw how that turned
• 20:39
  out. I'm picking the Browns. Gross. Again, I
• 20:46
  think the Browns can keep the Vikings. Did he
• 20:48
  just swear? We'll have to beep that out. No,
• 20:50
  he swore earlier. Sippy, look for that. Okay,
• 20:53
  good. I think Browns will be able to hold them
• 20:58
  to, like, 10. Like they did Green Bay. The Vikings
• 21:01
  to 10. Wow. I hope that's false. That defense
• 21:05
  is legit enough. Because Justin Jefferson fell
• 21:09
  off the face of the planet in the second half
• 21:11
  last week. True. Where'd he go? Was his best
• 21:14
  game of the season, too. Yeah, up until that
• 21:17
  point. Fair. So it's just, yeah. And then they're
• 21:22
  going to, I think the offense is going to run
• 21:27
  through Judkins. Right? Yeah, Judkins. I just
• 21:31
  don't want to confuse my rookie Ohio State running
• 21:33
  backs. Well, yeah, they're all over the league.
• 21:36
  Vikings favored by three and a half. Just throwing
• 21:38
  that out there. But, yeah, I think we'll see
• 21:41
  a whole bunch of Judkins, and it's pretty much
• 21:46
  going to be a very similar game plan to what
• 21:48
  the Steelers operated. So you think Gabriel can
• 21:50
  get it done? Yeah, he just has to do just enough.
• 21:53
  If he avoids the turnovers, he's got this. Okay.
• 21:57
  All right. All right, well, we got a Browns pick
• 22:00
  in there. Unbelievable. Yeah. There it is. Probably
• 22:02
  won't be invited back next week. Well, I mean,
• 22:05
  he's probably not on next week anyway. Now he's
• 22:08
  definitely on. I'm kidding. It's in stone. Jake
• 22:12
  is our first best guess. Well, Jake, first best,
• 22:17
  whatever. Jake, thanks for being here this week,
• 22:19
  man. Thanks for having me. Appreciate having
• 22:20
  you on. All the Baltimore Ravens talk, we appreciate
• 22:24
  it. I like it. Getting the inside scoop. Yep.
• 22:27
  Rob, of course, as always, I suppose. Thank you
• 22:30
  very much. Checking out my biking shirt, weren't
• 22:32
  you? Yeah, no problem. Boom. The bottom half,
• 22:36
  I don't know what's going on there, but it doesn't
• 22:37
  really match with whatever else you got going
• 22:39
  on. Anyway. What do I do next? Oh, yes. Don't
• 22:45
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• 22:52
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• 22:57
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• 23:01
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• 23:03
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