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The Rita Panahi Show | 24 September · The Rita Panahi Show

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Speaker 1: On sky Leaves, Australia. This is the Weder Panalty Show.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the Rita Panny Show. We're
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Speaker 2: here in Phoenix, Arizona. We have another sellar lineup of
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Speaker 2: guests for you, including the Great Douglas Murray will unpack
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Speaker 2: the three key moments from President Trump's address to the
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Speaker 2: United Nations General Assembly earlier today, and Douglas has a
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Speaker 2: thing or two to say about the rise and rise
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Speaker 2: of left wing violence. Shamiga Michelle will bring us the
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Speaker 2: day's top headlines, including the guilty verdict of would be
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Speaker 2: Trump assassin Ryan Ruth, and later in the hour, we
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Speaker 2: travel to the Charlie Kirk Memorial at Turning Point USA
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Speaker 2: headquarters to speak to Christian preacher Andrew Cedra, whose Australian
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Speaker 2: church has seen a big jump in attendance after Charlie's murder.
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Speaker 2: And we take to the streets to talk to some
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Speaker 2: lefty's using it in the wild. Apparently Charlie Kirk was
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Speaker 2: a terrible racist.
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Speaker 3: That wanted me dead.
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Speaker 4: Everybody that wasn't a white Christian dead.
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Speaker 2: Charlie wanted everyone who wasn't a white Christian dead. So
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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk would have wanted me dead because I'm neither
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Speaker 2: white or Christian.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely joining me now is.
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Speaker 2: The author of international best sellers, including his latest on
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Speaker 2: democracies and death cults. Douglas Murray, I'm interested in your
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Speaker 2: thoughts on the significance of Charlie Kirk's legacy to American
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Speaker 2: political life and the wider culture. But let's start with
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Speaker 2: the UN and President Donald Trump addressed the United Nations
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Speaker 2: General Assembly earlier today, and he criticized European allies over
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Speaker 2: everything from green energy obsessions to immigration policies, and the
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Speaker 2: UN itself didn't escape scrutiny either.
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Speaker 5: What is the purpose of the United Nations? The UN
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Speaker 5: has such tremendous potential, it's empty words, and empty words
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Speaker 5: don't solve war. The only thing that solves war and
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Speaker 5: wars is action.
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Speaker 2: Douglas, have you also wondered what is the point of
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Speaker 2: the UN?
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Speaker 6: Well, many people have wondered about that for many decades.
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Speaker 6: Now it's some forty years ago, so since the American
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Speaker 6: ambassadors have said very similar things. The problem for the
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Speaker 6: UN has always been that the number of democracies in
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Speaker 6: the world show up, they tend to get castigated by
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Speaker 6: the non democracies in the world, the free countries get
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Speaker 6: ambassad by unfree countries, and everyone has to pretend that, say,
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Speaker 6: you know, an elected leader in a democracy is on
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Speaker 6: an even pegging with some thuggish dictator from somewhere else
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Speaker 6: in the world, and of course, you know, that's a
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Speaker 6: sort of nicety. Unfortunately, a lot of people fall into
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Speaker 6: the trap of believing that as a result, the UN
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Speaker 6: is what it says it is and is the sort
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Speaker 6: of ultimate court of the world. And you know, whilst
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Speaker 6: some things can be hashed out there, I have always
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Speaker 6: thought that it is important that democratically elected leaders of
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Speaker 6: countries like the US do things like Trump did today
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Speaker 6: and call out the UN's failings. Otherwise it's just a
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Speaker 6: sort of talking shop for demogogues and dictators to launder
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Speaker 6: their reputations. In New York.
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Speaker 2: City now, the President had this to say about mass migration,
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Speaker 2: including illegal immigration and economic migrants seeking asylum.
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Speaker 5: Proud nations must be allowed to protect their communities and
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Speaker 5: prevent their societies from being overwhelmed by people they have
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Speaker 5: never seen before, with different customs, religions, with different everything.
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Speaker 5: Where migrants are violated law, large false asylum claims or
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Speaker 5: claimed refugee status, Douglas.
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Speaker 2: He's talking about essentially what you wrote about so many
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Speaker 2: years ago, the Strange Death of Europe.
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Speaker 6: Yes, a book which is of course not just about Europe,
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Speaker 6: but about America, Canada, Australia, all the Western liberal democracies,
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Speaker 6: all of which have had more than a generation of
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Speaker 6: insane immigration policies, and which have just not been able
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Speaker 6: to wrestle their way out of the problem that generations
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Speaker 6: actually of politicians have got us into. Of all political parties,
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Speaker 6: what Trump said is completely true, and of course we'll
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Speaker 6: go down like a couple cold sick with almost all
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Speaker 6: of his allies, because you know, governments like those in
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Speaker 6: Australia and Britain and so on do this thing of
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Speaker 6: like talking endlessly about our openness and our diversity and
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Speaker 6: so on. And Trump made one of the observations that yes,
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Speaker 6: I mean, I've made for many years, which is, why
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Speaker 6: is it only the Western democracies that have to undergo this?
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Speaker 6: Why is it that we're not allowed to defend our
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Speaker 6: own borders. Why are we not allowed to have our
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Speaker 6: own customs and culture, but instead only define ourselves by
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Speaker 6: our diversity and much more. And as you and I
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Speaker 6: have said before Rita. One of the historic things which
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Speaker 6: Trump is showing, and if he can pull it off
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Speaker 6: with Home and others, then it'll be really seismic, is
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Speaker 6: to show that the illegal migration and the dissolution of
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Speaker 6: Western cultures is not inevitable. That you can actually have
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Speaker 6: an orderly migration policy. You can have borders, you can
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Speaker 6: defend those borders, you can have laws, you can have
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Speaker 6: asylum policies, but you can have none of those things
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Speaker 6: if you've decided that basically anyone who walks into your
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Speaker 6: country illegally has the right to stay and enjoy all
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Speaker 6: the benefits of being in these countries, despite in most
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Speaker 6: cases not having contributed anything to them and not being
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Speaker 6: likely to contribute anything meaningful to them either. Yes, what
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Speaker 6: he said was completely true, and doubtless, as I say,
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Speaker 6: all of his allies will abhor his comments and think
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Speaker 6: how incredibly backward President Trump is to voice such sentiments.
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Speaker 6: Whereas an actual fact in the rotation the politics can
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Speaker 6: often be the rotating game, the politics can often be
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Speaker 6: maybe Donald Trump is the voice from the future.
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Speaker 2: On all this, and finally, on President Trump's You and Address,
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Speaker 2: he blasted countries including France Britain Australia for recognizing Palestine.
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Speaker 2: He said Douglas, that effectively rewards the terrorism we saw
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Speaker 2: on October seven.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, he's completely right about that. Hamas has of
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Speaker 6: course already thanked Keir Starmer and others for saying that
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Speaker 6: they recognize a state of Palestine. It's pure posturing by
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Speaker 6: alban As, Carnie Starmer, macron As As I've said to
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Speaker 6: you before, Retai. After all, I mean, I think the
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Speaker 6: era where heads of state in Britain and France and
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Speaker 6: so on can create and carve out states in far
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Speaker 6: off continence is over. I think most people, particularly from
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Speaker 6: the political left, were rather pleased that's over. These are
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Speaker 6: unilateral declarations of recognition of statehood are totally meaningless for
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Speaker 6: a whole pile of reasons. But just to list some
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Speaker 6: of them in short order, there is no agreed state
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Speaker 6: of Palestine. There is no agreed Palestinian leadership. There are
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Speaker 6: no agreed borders, there are no agreed there's no agreed capital,
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Speaker 6: there's no agreement on what land swaps or anything else
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Speaker 6: would look like. And there's no evidence from what Palestinian
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Speaker 6: leadership exists, whether in Gaza with the remains of Hamas,
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Speaker 6: or with Judean Samaria, with the Palestinian authority. There's no
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Speaker 6: evidence at all that they're remotely willing to live in
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Speaker 6: peace with their neighbors. And of course Hamas see this
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Speaker 6: as a victory. They invaded Israel almost two years ago
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Speaker 6: and massacred and raped and kidnapped their way across the South,
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Speaker 6: and within under two years, all of these Western governments
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Speaker 6: that said they would stand with the victims, they would
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Speaker 6: stand with Israel, they would demand the release of the
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Speaker 6: hostages have done next to nothing to get the hostages out,
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Speaker 6: done next to nothing to stop Hamaz for the last
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Speaker 6: twenty or more years, and instead now have given this
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Speaker 6: unilateral declaration which simply rewards the terrorists. And they could
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Speaker 6: have at least could have at least said, we are
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Speaker 6: not even going to think about recognizing a so called
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Speaker 6: Palestinian state until every hostage that Hamaz stole is taken
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Speaker 6: from where they're being held and returned to their families,
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Speaker 6: and until that nothing, They couldn't even hold that line.
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Speaker 6: So we've all seen who they are, these Macrons and
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Speaker 6: Albaneses and things. And the final thing to say on
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Speaker 6: that is Marco Rubio E, the Secretary of State, was
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Speaker 6: completely right when he said in the aftermath of President
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Speaker 6: Trump's address. He was completely right, Rubio when he said,
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Speaker 6: all these leaders Australia, Canada, Britain, France, they're not doing
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Speaker 6: this because they can create a Palestinian state. They can't.
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Speaker 6: They're doing it for domestic political reasons, because people like
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Speaker 6: Albaneza think that they can stop the protests and modify
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Speaker 6: the radical Palestinianists in their own countries if they do this,
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Speaker 6: you know what, they can't. But look at the lesson
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Speaker 6: that Italy has showed us. Georgia. Maloney didn't join in
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Speaker 6: this idiotic and hollows stampede, and there were riots yesterday
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Speaker 6: in Milan as a result, with crowds of immigrants and
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Speaker 6: Palestinianist activist far left is smashing up shops in Milan
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Speaker 6: because Maloney wouldn't do this Boloney act of pretending that
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Speaker 6: she can create a Palestinian state. So that's all that
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Speaker 6: these other Western leaders have done. They've done it to
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Speaker 6: mollify the mobs at home. And well maybe they think
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Speaker 6: they'll buy themselves peace for a few minutes, but I
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Speaker 6: wouldn't bet on it.
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Speaker 3: Now Douglas.
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Speaker 2: We're coming to you from Charlie Kirk's beloved Phoenix, where
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Speaker 2: he were headquartered Turning Point, USA, and where his funeral
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Speaker 2: was held on at Sunday. It was an incredible event
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Speaker 2: on so many levels. How did you say the memorial
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Speaker 2: and what do you say as Charlie's lasting legacy.
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Speaker 6: Well, I think it's really the beginning of that legacy.
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Speaker 6: A number of the speakers at the memorial on Sunday
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Speaker 6: in Phoenix made reference to the fact that, you know,
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Speaker 6: the assassin who killed Charlie thought that he was going
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Speaker 6: to silence him, and it's exactly the opposite. He's given
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Speaker 6: Charlie's voice a wider range than it ever could have
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Speaker 6: had in his lifetime. It's an extraordinary thing and a
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Speaker 6: demonstration that people who use violence to pursue political means should,
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Speaker 6: among many other things, apart from the fact that it's evil,
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Speaker 6: not do that because the consequences may well be ones
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Speaker 6: that they cannot foresee. I thought it was extremely moving.
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Speaker 6: It was a remarkable demonstration of solidarity and support from
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Speaker 6: tens of thousands of people, of course, dominated by Charlie
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Speaker 6: Kirk's widow, Erica, and her remarkable speech but I also
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Speaker 6: think Rita, you've noticed as well that really one of
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Speaker 6: the striking things was the prominence of the Christian message
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Speaker 6: at the heart of it all. Many of us are
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Speaker 6: used to sort of watered down forms of Christianity, particularly
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Speaker 6: in the Western democracies, and this wasn't that. It was
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Speaker 6: literally preaching of the Gospel by you know, Secretary of
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Speaker 6: War Pete Hegsbert, by Sector of State, Mark Arubia and others.
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Speaker 6: And I think I think that that legacy is going
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Speaker 6: to be one of the most powerful that Charlie Kirk
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Speaker 6: has not just left behind but started.
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Speaker 3: Do you say that.
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Speaker 2: As important in biting back for Western values and reaffirming
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Speaker 2: those Judeo Christian values, Well.
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Speaker 6: You know, it's something I wrote about a lot in
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Speaker 6: The Strange Death of Europe a decade ago, as you mentioned,
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Speaker 6: which is that we are in a complicated place in
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Speaker 6: the history of the West because what we enjoy in
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Speaker 6: our rights and our liberties and much more or come
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Speaker 6: from our Judeo Christian roots. There's no doubt about that,
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Speaker 6: and anyone who says otherwise is simply trying to retrofit
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Speaker 6: a multicultural model onto our societies, our liberties, and our
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Speaker 6: rights and much more. Our freedoms come from a very
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Speaker 6: specific and unusual in many ways religious theological tradition. And
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Speaker 6: the question, as the form of Pope Benedict then Cardinal
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Speaker 6: Ratzinger pointed out, was whether or not Western civilization can
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Speaker 6: survive if it cuts itself off from the roots that
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Speaker 6: gave it birth. That's a question which many people have
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Speaker 6: mild over in recent years, and in some ways it's
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Speaker 6: been answered, which is no, that if you completely cut
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Speaker 6: yourself off from your religious roots in the Judeo Christian West,
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Speaker 6: you end up with weird, new wacko religions being founded,
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Speaker 6: whether it's Palestinianism or transgenderism or all of these. Look
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Speaker 6: at mihisms, and you just sort of create this vacuum
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Speaker 6: into which strange new heresies and beliefs wonder So, it's
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Speaker 6: an open question in the West whether there is another
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Speaker 6: way or whether the way back is the one that
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Speaker 6: Pope Benedict talked about, the one that Charlie Kirk obviously
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Speaker 6: believed in, which is that the West should return to
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Speaker 6: its roots. That's a very complicated issue for society, but
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Speaker 6: it's certainly one that we should think about and engage in,
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Speaker 6: and that is a challenge for everyone, I think, believers,
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Speaker 6: non believers alike, which is whether or not we can
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Speaker 6: recognize the source that has given us what is good
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Speaker 6: in our societies, or whether we just repudiate it, reject
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Speaker 6: it and see where the winds blow us.
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Speaker 2: Beautifully said, now, you wrote about the violence we are
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Speaker 2: seeing in the US from elements of the left. To
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Speaker 2: do you argue you have a history of celebrating or
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Speaker 2: excusing those guilty of these acts of political violence, and
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Speaker 2: on that, we've also had President Trump designating Antifa as
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Speaker 2: a terrorist organization.
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Speaker 3: I know you're worried about that. Also for the New
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Speaker 3: York Post.
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Speaker 2: Do you think Antifa deserved to be labeled terrorists? And
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Speaker 2: please just expand on what you're talking about. As far
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Speaker 2: as elements of the left having a very permissive attitude
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Speaker 2: to violence, well, I.
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Speaker 6: Would play it any other way around that if there
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Speaker 6: was a group, whether organized at a normal structural level
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Speaker 6: or a sort of slightly more amorphous blob of entities
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Speaker 6: across the country, If there was such a movement that
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Speaker 6: came from the political right, which for instance, had spent
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Speaker 6: years smashing up federal buildings and privately owned businesses, which
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Speaker 6: has spent years firing guns on the streets, attacking police officers,
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Speaker 6: attacking journalists, and hospitalizing almost killing journalists who look into
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Speaker 6: their activities. I think that this thing would have been
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Speaker 6: shut down years ago, and Antifa has been allowed to
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Speaker 6: run because too many people have taken it at its
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Speaker 6: word that it is an anti fascist organization. It isn't.
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Speaker 6: It's a fascist organization. You can tell literally from the
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Speaker 6: way they behave. They dress up in black, they mask
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Speaker 6: their faces, and they beat their opponents to a pulp
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Speaker 6: on the ground in American cities. I think that there's
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Speaker 6: a question as to whether or not Donald Trump whether
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Speaker 6: in America you could designate the ma terist organization. But
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Speaker 6: the one thing you can absolutely do is use the
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Speaker 6: powers of the state to arrest people who are routinely
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Speaker 6: breaking the law and making life unlivable in the American
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Speaker 6: cities which they dominate in places like Portland, places in
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Speaker 6: recent years like Seattle and parts of California and elsewhere.
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Speaker 6: It's a very big challenge, but it's one that I've
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Speaker 6: think the Trump administration should rise itself for the moment on.
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Speaker 6: As for the wider pool areta, it's just very striking
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Speaker 6: to me and as I said in that City Journal piece, again,
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Speaker 6: you've just got to play it the other way around.
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Speaker 6: There are people who engage in political violence all sides.
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Speaker 6: But I think it would be surprising if somebody, for instance,
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Speaker 6: involved in terrorism, right wing terrorism, would find themselves lauded
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Speaker 6: on American campuses and given births and speaking appointments and
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Speaker 6: much more. And I mentioned they're in passing Angela Davis
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Speaker 6: and her own history of radicalism, and she was just
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Speaker 6: honored by Cambridge University in England with an honorary degree.
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Speaker 6: And this is somebody with a puterid record in activism,
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Speaker 6: a disgusting record in activism, and no distinction in academic thought.
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Speaker 6: But she gets honored same things with people like Leila Khalid,
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Speaker 6: the PFLP hijacker. These people that the left has on
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Speaker 6: unfortunately particularly venerated, are people who've been venerated not in
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Speaker 6: spite of having a history of violence and connections with violence,
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Speaker 6: but as if that free sort of violence is part
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Speaker 6: of the thrill, part of the reason to promote them.
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Speaker 6: And I think that just as I would expect the
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Speaker 6: right to have a look at itself if it was
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Speaker 6: marinating in those waters. So I think the left really should,
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Speaker 6: and asgain, especially after the assassination of Charlie Kirk, really
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Speaker 6: should look at what it has been encouraging on its
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Speaker 6: own side, and it should remember that instead of thinking
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Speaker 6: that it's always the good guy, let's at least concede
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Speaker 6: that violence can come from all sides, but if it
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Speaker 6: comes from your side, you have a disproportionate necessity to
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Speaker 6: condemn it and to make sure that the gray zone
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Speaker 6: of violence isn't one that our societies are allowed to
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Speaker 6: exist in, but that we have a hard no, the
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Speaker 6: hard no against political assassination, whoever is the target, a
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Speaker 6: hard no against the pursuit of violence in politics, whatever
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Speaker 6: the aim that's being pursued. If we could do that,
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Speaker 6: Left and right could show us a degree of hygiene
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Speaker 6: on their own sides, then some good can come out
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Speaker 6: of these terrible circumstances.
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Speaker 2: Douglas Murray, thank you, very time still to come Left.
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Speaker 2: He's losing it out in the wild plaster Day's top headlines,
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Speaker 2: including the guilty verdict of Trump's would be assassin Ryan
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Speaker 2: Ruth Shamika Michelle is Upmets. You're watching the Reader Panney Show,
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Speaker 2: and it's time for lefties losing it, and I regret
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Speaker 2: to inform you that she's back. Yes, the world's worst
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Speaker 2: vice president. The word salad, a specialist who makes an
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Speaker 2: art form of being incoherent, the inect.
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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris is back.
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Speaker 2: And she's hitting the Lopius leftist programs to flog her
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Speaker 2: new book. Here she is with fellow lefty losing at
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Speaker 2: Hall of Famer Rachel Madda, making outrageous idiotic claims. I
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Speaker 2: can only hope she was drunk when she said this
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Speaker 2: a tyrant.
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Speaker 7: We used to compare the strength of our democracy to
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Speaker 7: communist dictators. That's what we're dealing with right now. Donald
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Speaker 7: Trump and these titans of industry are not speaking up.
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Speaker 3: Yes, you heard that right.
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Speaker 2: Kamala called President Trump a communist, Yes, a communist, and
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Speaker 2: she goes from slamming the president for being a communist
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Speaker 2: dictator to praising an actual communist and endorsing him. This
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Speaker 2: is what she said about New York meryal hopeful and
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Speaker 2: radical hard leftist Zorain Mandani.
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Speaker 8: What do you think of him and his candidacy and
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Speaker 8: what do you think of mainline democratic shyness and agitation
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Speaker 8: about the prospect that he's going to win?
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Speaker 7: Look, as far as I'm concerned, he's the Democratic nominee.
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Speaker 3: He should be supported.
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Speaker 1: Do you endorse his candidacy?
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Speaker 7: I support the Democrat in the race.
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Speaker 6: Sure.
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Speaker 2: Look if he thought Kamala had acquired some wisdom, some class,
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Speaker 2: some perspective and the months since she was resoundingly beaten
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Speaker 2: by President Trump, well you'd be disappointed.
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Speaker 3: All she revealed overnight is that she's a frightful bigot.
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Speaker 3: But it's not her fault.
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Speaker 2: It's everybody else's fault. Here, she explains why she did
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Speaker 2: not select her first choice for a running mate, Pete Budajeg,
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Speaker 2: because he's gay.
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Speaker 7: To be a black woman running for president of the
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Speaker 7: United States and as a vice presidential running mate a
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Speaker 7: gay man, with the stakes being so high, it made
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Speaker 7: me very sad. But I also realized it would be
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Speaker 7: a real risk, no matter how you know, I've been
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Speaker 7: an advocate and an ally of the LGBT community my
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Speaker 7: entire life.
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Speaker 3: So it wasn't it about it.
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Speaker 7: It wasn't about it rate, So it wasn't about any
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Speaker 7: prejudice on my pope.
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Speaker 2: Of course, you are a great ally, Kamala, except you
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Speaker 2: didn't pick pick Pete because he's gay and you didn't
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Speaker 2: pick Governor Shapiro because he's Jewish.
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Speaker 3: I think we have a name for that.
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Speaker 2: It just goes to show that even Kamala Harris thinks
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Speaker 2: potential Democrat voters are frightful bigots. Now, let's hear from
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Speaker 2: Kamala trying to paint a landslide loss as close, so.
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Speaker 7: Close, And it ended up being the closest presidential election
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Speaker 7: in the twenty first century.
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Speaker 2: Poor delusional soul thinks it was close. She lost every
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Speaker 2: swing stage, she lost the popular vote, she lost the
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Speaker 2: Electoral College by a huge margin. But don't expect Rachel
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Speaker 2: Matter to pull Kamala up on her delusion. And it
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Speaker 2: didn't get much better. When Kamala sat down with the
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Speaker 2: ladies of the View, she repeated that pitiful line about
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Speaker 2: the supposed closeness of the election. She seemed to have
23:10
Speaker 2: enjoyed a couple more cocktails.
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Speaker 7: This person and what we just saw in terms of
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Speaker 7: a presentation at the United Nations. You know I talk about.
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Speaker 3: Talked about remembering the debate.
23:24
Speaker 7: They laughed at him the last time he was in
23:27
Speaker 7: front of the UN. This individual who occupies our White
23:32
Speaker 7: House right now, the.
23:33
Speaker 3: People's House, has decided that he will.
23:39
Speaker 7: Be an emperor in his mind who will demonstrate his
23:46
Speaker 7: power by demeaning and belittling and making people feel small.
23:53
Speaker 3: So Trump has.
23:54
Speaker 2: Gone from being a communist dictator to being an emperor,
23:59
Speaker 2: and Kamala has gone from happy hours straight to the
24:02
Speaker 2: view it seems. Now let's go from the ridiculous to
24:05
Speaker 2: the demonic. This is just so ugly and wrong. Imagine
24:10
Speaker 2: how rotten your soul must be.
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Speaker 3: To do this.
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Speaker 9: Father, forgive them for they not know what they do.
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Speaker 9: That man, that young man, I forgive him.
24:35
Speaker 3: Just demonic.
24:36
Speaker 2: Now let's hear from a left to you who thinks
24:38
Speaker 2: she's being awfully clever, but actually she's kicking and iron goal.
24:44
Speaker 8: You know you're a fascist when you demand law and
24:47
Speaker 8: order unless the law is and that's getting your favorite politicians.
24:52
Speaker 8: You know you're a fascist when you want to lock
24:54
Speaker 8: up opponents but pardon your own criminals. You know you're
24:59
Speaker 8: a fascist. Whin you think elections are rigged unless you're
25:02
Speaker 8: gay wins.
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Speaker 2: Who's going to tell her that everything she just said
25:07
Speaker 2: applies to her and the rest of the modern left.
25:10
Speaker 2: She just basically called herself a fascist, and the self
25:13
Speaker 2: awareness doesn't kick in as this rant continues.
25:17
Speaker 8: You know you're a fascist when you cheer when peaceful
25:20
Speaker 8: protesters are are beaten, jelled, or silenced. You know you're
25:25
Speaker 8: a fascist when you wrap yourself in the flag while
25:28
Speaker 8: dismantling the democracy it stands for. You know you're a
25:32
Speaker 8: fascist when you believe one man's power is more important
25:37
Speaker 8: than everyone's freedom. But yeah, tell me how the live
25:41
Speaker 8: turns are destroying this country.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's almost cruel to laugh at someone that thick,
25:47
Speaker 2: But what else can you do?
25:50
Speaker 3: Now?
25:50
Speaker 2: In honor of Charlie Kirk, I thought I'd go out
25:52
Speaker 2: and talk to the hard left, talk to ideological opponents,
25:56
Speaker 2: and see if we can have fruitful dialogue. Let's have
26:00
Speaker 2: a look at a little of what happened earlier today
26:02
Speaker 2: on the streets of Phoenix, Arizona. It started with nonsense
26:06
Speaker 2: about dictatorships and American citizens being deported, and then it
26:11
Speaker 2: got considerably worse.
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Speaker 10: They could literally pick me off the street and say
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Speaker 10: you're not an American, come with us and ship me away.
26:17
Speaker 10: I am an American, but how would I prove that
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Speaker 10: without a court of law?
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Speaker 2: Are you suggesting that American citizens are being deported?
26:24
Speaker 10: I'm saying we're next on the list, and they've said that.
26:27
Speaker 10: The administration has said we're going to go after some
26:30
Speaker 10: of the homegrown ones we have here too.
26:33
Speaker 3: What do you mean by homegrowing when.
26:35
Speaker 10: They were talking about terrorists and criminals that are imported,
26:38
Speaker 10: which is all, you know, frankly false. But the administration
26:42
Speaker 10: has stated that they are going to go after the
26:43
Speaker 10: bad ones in America right here, born and raised Americans
26:47
Speaker 10: who do not behave the way their current Republican regime
26:50
Speaker 10: wants them to. They have discussed the options of kicking
26:54
Speaker 10: us out to I'm not exactly sure where.
26:56
Speaker 1: Now.
26:56
Speaker 2: Let's hear this Democrat just casually engage in sight democracy denial.
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Speaker 10: Well, there is no mandate because while you it sounds
27:04
Speaker 10: like and looks like the majority people went to him,
27:07
Speaker 10: that's not true.
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Speaker 4: Most people didn't vote.
27:10
Speaker 2: If in the midterms, the Republicans hold on to the
27:13
Speaker 2: House and the Senate, will you give up this fight
27:16
Speaker 2: we acknowledge that the people aren't on your side and
27:20
Speaker 2: you don't have the numbers.
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Speaker 10: That's a loaded question because right now, what I think
27:25
Speaker 10: is happening is the administration is doing everything they can
27:28
Speaker 10: to influence that vote and to stop truly free and
27:31
Speaker 10: fair elections.
27:33
Speaker 2: So they're already trying to delegitimize the midterms. Next we
27:37
Speaker 2: discuss Charlie Kirk, and that's when this discussion really went
27:41
Speaker 2: off the rails.
27:43
Speaker 10: People can worship whoever they want to, and if you
27:44
Speaker 10: want to worship a hatemonger, knock yourselves out.
27:47
Speaker 3: You saw Charlie Kirk as a hatemonger.
27:49
Speaker 4: I saw Charlie Kirk because he was a hatemonger.
27:53
Speaker 3: Can you just explain why you say that?
27:55
Speaker 10: Oh, there's like seventeen lover we quotes of Charlie Kirk
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Speaker 10: talking about how black people shouldn't are qualified to do
28:01
Speaker 10: their jobs, how women should live at home inside, and
28:04
Speaker 10: inciting his people to actual violence, go out and exercise
28:09
Speaker 10: your rights that he will say two, and let's go
28:11
Speaker 10: put some hurt on people.
28:12
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure he never said black people unqualified. He
28:15
Speaker 2: said he didn't believe in de policies. That's not exactly
28:20
Speaker 2: the same thing. In fact, it was saying, if you
28:23
Speaker 2: see a black pilot, you would imagine you would start
28:27
Speaker 2: thinking are.
28:28
Speaker 3: They there because of DEI policies?
28:30
Speaker 2: And that actually undermines those who get their own merit.
28:33
Speaker 2: So that is a DEI argument, not an anti black argument.
28:39
Speaker 4: No, No, you're incorrect about that.
28:42
Speaker 10: It is an anti black statement because the only way possible,
28:46
Speaker 10: in Charlie Kirk's mind for a non white person to
28:48
Speaker 10: get a job is for other sorts of programs, which
28:51
Speaker 10: is absolute garbage.
28:52
Speaker 2: No, he never said that. I've listened to what he
28:54
Speaker 2: said in that quote, because that quote's gone viral, and
28:57
Speaker 2: he was very clear that black peopleeople don't need DEI
29:01
Speaker 2: because they can become pilots or doctors or engineers whatever.
29:07
Speaker 3: In their own right on merit.
29:09
Speaker 2: They don't need those programs to undermine their achievement. So
29:14
Speaker 2: when they actually make it, people wonder how they got there.
29:16
Speaker 2: You don't see the merit of at least that argument,
29:19
Speaker 2: even if you don't agree with it.
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Speaker 10: Well, that's not the argument Charlick Crook made, and you're
29:22
Speaker 10: trying to whitewash it, just like American media.
29:24
Speaker 4: You've learned your lesson as well.
29:25
Speaker 2: Did you think I'm whitewashing precisely what he said in
29:28
Speaker 2: the context he said it, Well, he said.
29:31
Speaker 4: In the context that he said, I've watched I've watched
29:34
Speaker 4: the video quite a few of them.
29:36
Speaker 2: You characterized it as he thinks black people can't achieve
29:40
Speaker 2: anything when obviously.
29:42
Speaker 3: That's not what he said.
29:43
Speaker 4: No, that is obviously what he said. That's correct.
29:45
Speaker 2: Well, do you think maybe that's your own bigotry informing
29:49
Speaker 2: your thoughts because that's not what he said. His words
29:53
Speaker 2: are clear. You can read the entire transcript, or you
29:55
Speaker 2: can watch the video.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, watch the video, like, okay, let's go to the type.
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Speaker 11: I'll tell you exactly what I said and why I
30:03
Speaker 11: said it. Okay, I said, if so, when you see
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Speaker 11: a black pilot, you wonder, boy, is that person there
30:10
Speaker 11: because they earned it or because they were placed there?
30:13
Speaker 11: That's what DEI does. It makes you ask questions you
30:15
Speaker 11: otherwise would not ask.
30:17
Speaker 2: But apparently our lefty losing it new Charlie's mind better
30:21
Speaker 2: than Charlie, and he's not about patronizing a woman of color.
30:24
Speaker 2: I mean, these lefties can't even play by their own
30:27
Speaker 2: stupid rules.
30:29
Speaker 3: What context did he say that?
30:32
Speaker 10: Do we need to contextualize racist behavior? Is an interesting thing?
30:35
Speaker 3: I would have said. DEI is racialist behavior.
30:37
Speaker 2: So yeah, if you're talking about DEI and the impact
30:40
Speaker 2: it has on society, I would imagine, yes, you do
30:43
Speaker 2: need to talk about that.
30:44
Speaker 10: I think diversity, you know, inclusion, equality are certain things
30:49
Speaker 10: that we should have.
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Speaker 4: Why are you against them?
30:51
Speaker 3: Why am I against DEI?
30:53
Speaker 2: Diversity equity inclusion, which one specifically, I'm against the entire
30:59
Speaker 2: d ideology because I don't believe as a woman of color,
31:05
Speaker 2: I need to have standards lowered so I can achieve anything.
31:09
Speaker 2: And I would never want someone to look at me
31:11
Speaker 2: and say, did she get there through DEI, which is
31:14
Speaker 2: what he was talking about. As far as the black pilots.
31:16
Speaker 10: Go, you're implying a lot of contexts that he did
31:19
Speaker 10: not have in there.
31:20
Speaker 2: But Charlie was pretty expansive in his context.
31:23
Speaker 10: Yeah, racist, hateful, all of that stuff. Yeah, expense we
31:26
Speaker 10: want to basically everybody that wasn't a white Christian dead.
31:29
Speaker 2: Charlie wanted everyone who wasn't a white Christian dead. So
31:33
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk would have wanted me dead because I'm neither
31:35
Speaker 2: white or Christian.
31:36
Speaker 10: Absolutely, So it's really odd for me that you're carrying
31:40
Speaker 10: water for him. But you know, we are still a
31:42
Speaker 10: free country and we can do whatever we want to do,
31:44
Speaker 10: even foreigners that come in and have questions, but we're
31:47
Speaker 10: happy to talk about it.
31:48
Speaker 2: We've just paid tribute to Charlie's legacy and having respectful,
31:53
Speaker 2: peaceful debate without anybody coming to blows or causing violence.
31:58
Speaker 3: So thank you, Charlie. Thanks for that one.
32:01
Speaker 4: Yeah, don't thank you, Charlie, but thanks me.
32:04
Speaker 3: Did you like his.
32:04
Speaker 2: Dismissive tone about me being a foreigner?
32:07
Speaker 3: I always show their true colors.
32:10
Speaker 2: By the way, I was born here, champ And thank
32:13
Speaker 2: you Charlie for setting a standard we should all aspire to.
32:17
Speaker 2: Joining me now is political commentator and author Shamika Michelle.
32:21
Speaker 2: Shamika tell me, was Charlie Kirk racist as our lefty
32:27
Speaker 2: friend's claim.
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Speaker 12: No, actually, Rita, I don't believe that he was racist
32:34
Speaker 12: at all. What I do understand, however, is that when
32:37
Speaker 12: people hear the truth and they're offended by the truth,
32:41
Speaker 12: they need to find excuses so that that truth doesn't
32:45
Speaker 12: apply to them and they don't have to take accountability.
32:48
Speaker 13: That's really all it is.
32:49
Speaker 12: So if they feel like if they can get people
32:52
Speaker 12: to think that he's racist or that he was a misogynist,
32:56
Speaker 12: then they can dodge accountability. But he wasn't racist or
33:00
Speaker 12: misogynist misogynist at all. They just don't want to be
33:04
Speaker 12: responsible and accountable.
33:09
Speaker 2: You are so correct, And if they were making these
33:12
Speaker 2: arguments in goodwill. If I actually believed what they were saying,
33:17
Speaker 2: they wouldn't take his words out of context, that wouldn't
33:20
Speaker 2: manufacture quotes, they wouldn't go out of their way to
33:23
Speaker 2: misrepresent what he was saying and what he was for
33:28
Speaker 2: to try to malign him.
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Speaker 13: Absolutely, that's all that it is.
33:35
Speaker 12: I saw Don Lemon, you know, probably from CNN, you
33:40
Speaker 12: may know him complaining about all of the messages of
33:44
Speaker 12: Christ and God that came through on the memorial service
33:48
Speaker 12: for Charlie Kirk, complaining, and I just said to someone,
33:52
Speaker 12: this is a man who understands that typical Bible believers
33:57
Speaker 12: don't think his lifestyle is okay.
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Speaker 13: So he's just angry about that.
34:02
Speaker 12: This is Dn Lemon and so many others just not
34:05
Speaker 12: wanting to change their lifestyle to fit the Bible. They
34:10
Speaker 12: want to change the Bible to fit their lifestyle.
34:13
Speaker 13: And that's just not the way it works.
34:18
Speaker 2: Now today, the man who tried to assassinate President Trump,
34:21
Speaker 2: Ryan Ruth, was found guilty on all charges, including attempting
34:26
Speaker 2: to assassinate Donald Trump, assaulting a federal police officer, multiple
34:31
Speaker 2: firearm fences as well Shamika. There were dramatic scenes in
34:36
Speaker 2: the court. As the verdict was being read. Ryan Ruth
34:40
Speaker 2: reportedly tried to stab himself in the neck with a
34:43
Speaker 2: pen before four US marshals intervened and restrained him. His
34:47
Speaker 2: daughter Sarah then stood up and said, don't do anything.
34:52
Speaker 2: I will get you out. What the f He didn't
34:56
Speaker 2: hurt anybody. This is not fair. This is all rigged.
34:59
Speaker 2: You guys are a holes Shamika. What do we know
35:03
Speaker 2: about this guy? Do we know precisely why he tried
35:08
Speaker 2: to do this? Did he get any assistance? The sas
35:13
Speaker 2: to still be some amount of mystery around this man.
35:19
Speaker 12: You know, Rita, we have a saying here and it's
35:22
Speaker 12: usually written in the acronym in all caps fa fo,
35:28
Speaker 12: And that's exactly what happened this man. You know, to
35:31
Speaker 12: just say it a lot nicer. You play silly games,
35:36
Speaker 12: you get silly prizes, and that's what happened here. He's
35:39
Speaker 12: trying to act as if he shouldn't get the time
35:43
Speaker 12: because nothing actually happened. Well, you tried it, and you
35:48
Speaker 12: saw exactly what happened.
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Speaker 13: We don't feel any sorrow for him at all.
35:53
Speaker 2: He fa f O, yes, And we're in the frortion
36:00
Speaker 2: of that equation. Now, Shamika, let's have a look at
36:03
Speaker 2: what happened earlier today when President Trump and Milania arrived
36:08
Speaker 2: at the UN. We read again, Yep, the escalator abruptly
36:34
Speaker 2: stopped just as the President and the First Lady got
36:37
Speaker 2: on it.
36:38
Speaker 3: Luckily, no one was heard.
36:40
Speaker 2: It seems all innocent, except The Times reported on the
36:44
Speaker 2: weekend that UN staff members and I quote here have
36:48
Speaker 2: joked that they may turn off the escalators and elevators
36:52
Speaker 2: and simply tell him that's President Trump. They ran out
36:55
Speaker 2: of money, so he has to walk up the stairs.
36:58
Speaker 2: And noting this, Secretary Caroline Leavitt posted on x if
37:04
Speaker 2: someone at the UN intentionally stopped the escalator as the
37:08
Speaker 2: President and First Lady were stepping on, they need to
37:11
Speaker 2: be fired and investigated immediately. Shamika, surely no one would
37:18
Speaker 2: be that stupid.
37:22
Speaker 12: You know, we just lost Charlie kirk Rita, so I
37:26
Speaker 12: do feel like someone would be that stupid. I don't
37:29
Speaker 12: put anything past the people who see Donald Trump as
37:33
Speaker 12: an enemy.
37:34
Speaker 13: I just don't trust them. And I'm with Caroline.
37:37
Speaker 12: If someone actually did that on purpose, they need to
37:41
Speaker 12: be fired. So I wouldn't mind a small investigation into
37:45
Speaker 12: that at all, because of just what we've been through,
37:48
Speaker 12: and we know that they tried to assassinate President Trump
37:52
Speaker 12: over the summer. I just don't trust them, and I
37:55
Speaker 12: think we need to start fighting back and being very
38:00
Speaker 12: viitious about it.
38:04
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, if that turns out to be deliberate,
38:08
Speaker 2: they have to be I don't think they can just
38:11
Speaker 2: be sacked.
38:12
Speaker 3: I think they have to.
38:12
Speaker 2: Be looked at some charges, because it's just pure good
38:16
Speaker 2: luck that nobody was hurt with that level of stupidity. Now,
38:20
Speaker 2: Jimmy Kimmel will be back on the airways tonight, but
38:25
Speaker 2: not everywhere.
38:26
Speaker 3: He used to be.
38:27
Speaker 2: The New York Post is reporting his show will be
38:30
Speaker 2: missing from dozens of markets after Sinclair Broadcast Group and
38:34
Speaker 2: Next Time Media Group, which operates thirty two ABC affiliates,
38:40
Speaker 2: said that they are not interested in having Jimmy Kimmel
38:43
Speaker 2: live on their airways. And this is all after he
38:48
Speaker 2: claimed that Charlie Kirk was killed by a MAGA supporter.
38:52
Speaker 2: Jimmy Kimmel would know perfectly well that is untrue, and
38:56
Speaker 2: he said it anyway. Shamika, what do you make of
38:59
Speaker 2: what's happened and with Jimmy Kimmel, is he eventually gonna
39:02
Speaker 2: get back all across the country or is this really
39:06
Speaker 2: the end of his career.
39:09
Speaker 12: Yeah, I'm not sure he'll get back across the country.
39:12
Speaker 12: This may just be them allowing him to come on,
39:16
Speaker 12: so it won't seem as if they caved, or it
39:19
Speaker 12: won't seem as if they took him off because of
39:22
Speaker 12: freedom of speech.
39:24
Speaker 13: Jimmy Kimmel's show is trash.
39:26
Speaker 12: I know that it's still gonna be absent from my television,
39:30
Speaker 12: just as it was.
39:31
Speaker 13: Prior to the boycott.
39:33
Speaker 12: But I don't feel sorry for him because I had
39:36
Speaker 12: to suffer through them taking Roseanne off of TV and
39:41
Speaker 12: changing it to the Connors.
39:42
Speaker 13: So this is what happens.
39:45
Speaker 12: And again I just think that this is the beginning
39:49
Speaker 12: of the end because he's just simply not funny.
39:54
Speaker 3: Well, that seems to be the k point. He's not funny.
39:57
Speaker 2: He has next to no audience and a massive salary
40:01
Speaker 2: and a massive team. None of it makes sense now, Shamika.
40:05
Speaker 2: I played some clips of Kamala Harris earlier on Left.
40:08
Speaker 3: He's losing it.
40:09
Speaker 2: She's been all around on Rachel Maddow's program and The View.
40:14
Speaker 2: What have you made of her recent media appearances?
40:18
Speaker 13: The usual rita.
40:20
Speaker 12: I don't Maybe she should be a spokesperson for a
40:26
Speaker 12: vodka drink or maybe rum or something. She just never
40:30
Speaker 12: comes across very clear. It's always some sort of word salad.
40:35
Speaker 12: So maybe she can go and work for a hidden balley,
40:37
Speaker 12: because you would definitely need some ranch or some type
40:41
Speaker 12: of salad dressing to go along with the word salad
40:44
Speaker 12: that she always gives us.
40:46
Speaker 13: I mean, this is just usual Kamala.
40:50
Speaker 12: Nothing has changed except her address.
40:55
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you said it all right there and then,
40:59
Speaker 2: and yet she's still the front runner to be the
41:02
Speaker 2: presidential candidate for the Democrats in twenty twenty eight.
41:05
Speaker 3: They've got such a shallow talent pool.
41:08
Speaker 2: What did you make of her claim that she didn't
41:11
Speaker 2: select Pete Bodhajedge because he's gay. She could have had
41:16
Speaker 2: him as her running mate, but she said, I'm a
41:19
Speaker 2: black woman, I couldn't have a gay running mate.
41:24
Speaker 1: You know.
41:24
Speaker 12: I think that's rich coming from someone who participated in
41:29
Speaker 12: enlisted activities her way up. So I don't know about
41:34
Speaker 12: Kamala again, I think she's just trying to get attention.
41:38
Speaker 12: I don't know about her being the front.
41:40
Speaker 13: Runner of anything.
41:42
Speaker 12: I hope they do try to run her again so
41:45
Speaker 12: that we can actually keep the White.
41:47
Speaker 13: House for another four more years.
41:52
Speaker 2: Now, Shamika, I want to play you a little cleip.
41:54
Speaker 2: Ip played tourists in Phoenix, and I just noted all
41:59
Speaker 2: the mess we're bombarded in within our big cities, so
42:03
Speaker 2: much visual pollution, some of it political, a lot of
42:07
Speaker 2: it political.
42:08
Speaker 3: And here's what I found in Phoenix. How do Sky
42:12
Speaker 3: News family.
42:13
Speaker 2: I'm in downtown Phoenix and I'm looking at some public art.
42:16
Speaker 2: Some of it's good, some of it's bad, and some
42:18
Speaker 2: of it is downright ugly.
42:21
Speaker 3: This I like.
42:22
Speaker 2: Now, this is Massa Amini. She's a woman in Iran
42:26
Speaker 2: who was murdered by the morality police for not wearing
42:29
Speaker 2: her he jat properly. Her murder sparked widespread process.
42:33
Speaker 3: How did you guys? Yeah, what can you do?
42:40
Speaker 2: Probably left he is losing it. As I was saying,
42:42
Speaker 2: this is actually a very base piece of art.
42:46
Speaker 3: May not look like and it might look like some.
42:48
Speaker 2: Sort of woke bit of symbolism, but this is about
42:52
Speaker 2: the oppression of women, the oppression of gays in Iran,
42:56
Speaker 2: those living under Islam.
42:57
Speaker 3: I would like that to be a little bit clearer.
43:00
Speaker 2: Perhaps I don't know something like free women from the
43:03
Speaker 2: Jab or solidarity with our sisters living under Shariah.
43:09
Speaker 3: Some sort of.
43:11
Speaker 2: Clarity around the piece of art I think would be
43:14
Speaker 2: useful and make it more powerful. But thumbs up for
43:17
Speaker 2: this one.
43:20
Speaker 3: Black history matters. I don't like that.
43:24
Speaker 2: I don't like Black lives matter, because all lives matter,
43:27
Speaker 2: All history matters. If you can't substitute the word white
43:30
Speaker 2: in for black or any other minority, then don't do it.
43:35
Speaker 3: You wouldn't say white history matters. M M.
43:39
Speaker 2: We've had the good, we've had the bad, and this
43:41
Speaker 2: is the ugly, and it's opposite my hotel. I'm going
43:45
Speaker 2: to ask for a discount when I check out because
43:47
Speaker 2: I have been traumatized. Why would anyone want to look
43:51
Speaker 2: at Kamala every day? I mean, what an insane thing
43:55
Speaker 2: to be putting up on a building. It screams failure,
44:00
Speaker 2: it is screams incoherence, it is screams word solids. It's
44:04
Speaker 2: not what you want to say in any city, let
44:07
Speaker 2: alone Phoenix do better, Shamaica. I think I might have
44:12
Speaker 2: a future as a travel reporter. I think I cannot
44:15
Speaker 2: grow into that role. But seriously, what are your thoughts
44:18
Speaker 2: on this messaging around our big cities. Do we need
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Speaker 2: to have Black History Months?
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Speaker 13: I'm with you.
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Speaker 12: I think Black history is simply American history.
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Speaker 13: It's just history.
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Speaker 12: And I think that as long as we're trying to
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Speaker 12: come together, we have to make an effort to stop
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Speaker 12: finding reasons to divide.
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Speaker 13: We've had Black.
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Speaker 12: History Month for the longest time, and I think it's
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Speaker 12: just time for us.
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Speaker 13: To move on.
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Speaker 12: I think we should actually work on unifying instead of
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Speaker 12: trying to just keep being separate.
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Speaker 2: We are on a unity Tikad show. Thank you so
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Speaker 2: much for your time. Tonight still to come. We traveled
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Speaker 2: at the Charlie Kirk Memorial at Turning Point USA headquarters,
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Speaker 2: where we're joined by Christian pastor Andrew Cedra. Andrew Cedra,
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Speaker 2: We're at Turning Point Headquarters here in Phoenix, Arizona, a
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Speaker 2: couple of days after Charlie Kirk's funeral.
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Speaker 3: It's been called a revival. Is that how you see it?
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Speaker 14: It's a revival. It's a revival. Charlie Kirk wasn't a conservative.
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Speaker 14: He was a Christian. He or a Christian that's conservative,
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Speaker 14: and that's one of the biggest points of tension about
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Speaker 14: his life. Why you saw the celebration of his death
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Speaker 14: because his faith affected his politics. He didn't do politics
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Speaker 14: for the sake of politics. He did politics for the
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Speaker 14: sake of faith. He didn't do politics to win elections.
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Speaker 14: He actually did politics to win the next generation. He
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Speaker 14: caught the heart mind, but more than anything, he caught
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Speaker 14: the spirit of the next generation gen Z fundamentally.
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Speaker 1: Even though gen Z are the most gay.
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Speaker 14: Or the most socialists, or the most Algeburcuates I've ever been,
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Speaker 14: they're also the most spiritually aware they've ever been. They're
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Speaker 14: rejecting the notion that housing, food, medicare will satisfy your soul.
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Speaker 14: They're looking for truth, beauty, virtue and morality. And that's
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Speaker 14: the reason we're seeing a revival among the next generation.
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Speaker 14: They fully understand that you're not a body that has
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Speaker 14: a soul. You are a soul that has a body,
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Speaker 14: and they're tuning into the soul.
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Speaker 1: And that's the reason you were able to.
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Speaker 14: See thousands of young people crying, weeping and celebrating the
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Speaker 14: life of charliekirk Well.
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Speaker 2: Whether you looked at his funeral, you look at the
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Speaker 2: visual here at Turning Point Headquarters, there are so many
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Speaker 2: young people. There's a real contrast between some of the
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Speaker 2: left thooing protests we've seen in this country and what
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Speaker 2: we've seen with Charlie is that reflected back home in
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Speaker 2: Australia and left.
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Speaker 1: Us something that happens to them. They don't like.
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Speaker 14: They protests and they burn buildings. When Christians die, we pray,
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Speaker 14: we worship, and we go to church. And the line
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Speaker 14: of character is too obvious, like if you have been
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Speaker 14: claiming Christian Christians a homophobe, sexist, hate speech, all this
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Speaker 14: stuff that we get labeled, I get labeled all of
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Speaker 14: that for simply preaching the bubble. The facts simply do
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Speaker 14: not match what you're saying. We don't burn cities, we
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Speaker 14: don't kill people, we don't bash people, we don't intimidate people.
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Speaker 14: When we get persecuted and killed, we go to church,
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Speaker 14: we worship Jesus, we open the Bible, and just like Erica,
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Speaker 14: we have to forgive in regards to Australia because of
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Speaker 14: the death of marta prophet Saint Charlie Kirk from a
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Speaker 14: Christian them perspective, he died while proclaiming Jesus. Just a
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Speaker 14: few moments before he died, he answered the question about
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Speaker 14: who Jesus is the historical evidence of Jesus. He's not
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Speaker 14: just a conspiracy theory, He's an actual rehearsocophigure and he
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Speaker 14: got killed in the midst of this type of conversation.
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Speaker 14: And because of that, in Australia, our church Echo Church
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Speaker 14: in Sydney, we have seen more than three hundred young
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Speaker 14: people come to our church in the last two weeks.
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Speaker 3: And do you see that as connected to Charlie Kirk.
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Speaker 14: Percent It's not a coincidence. The biggest two surgeons or
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Speaker 14: in our church. Our church charted eight years ago. By
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Speaker 14: the grace of God, we are on like five hundred
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Speaker 14: people a week. The average size of a church in
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Speaker 14: Australia twenty nine people and the average age is like
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Speaker 14: fifty to sixty. The average age in our church is
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Speaker 14: twenty five to thirty. The two biggest moments of revival
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Speaker 14: we've seen in our church was after COVID lockdowns, our
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Speaker 14: church doubled and last week, in the last two weeks
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Speaker 14: we had one hundred and seventy five percent growth. That's
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Speaker 14: around three hundred brand new people in our church.
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Speaker 1: That we have never seen before.
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Speaker 14: Charlie Kirk was able to move gen Z ten points
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Speaker 14: towards Christianity, ten points towards Christendom. Ten points were in conservatism.
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Speaker 14: And that is the reason Donald Trump won the election.
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Speaker 14: Charlie Cope on the heart of the next generation.
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Speaker 1: And this is a very weird.
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Speaker 14: Funny way, because while he was preaching politics, politics led
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Speaker 14: them to Jesus are very crazy, very inconvenient way. But
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Speaker 14: if you have been a Christian for any longer time,
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Speaker 14: God always uses on all the dogs way. He uses
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Speaker 14: things that we didn't even anticipate. Who knew that the
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Speaker 14: greatest political commentator of our time would also be the
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Speaker 14: greatest revivalist.
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Speaker 1: Of our time.
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Speaker 14: So we are seeing growth in our church. Luck never
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Speaker 14: before people are traveling two hours away to come to
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Speaker 14: listen to the Gospel.
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Speaker 1: So God is not dead, He's more alive than ever.
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Speaker 2: We've got so many churches across the country that are
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Speaker 2: really become political in their messaging, so many churches that
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Speaker 2: have become woke, and they are not exactly catering to
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Speaker 2: that young demographic who's thirsting for direction and conviction.
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Speaker 14: The work liberal infiltrated churches by LEFTI are dying fundamentally
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Speaker 14: because the product that we offer is life, is faith,
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Speaker 14: is freedom, when we mingle with the spirit of the
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Speaker 14: age and the doctrine of the age, and the wisdom
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Speaker 14: of the age, wokeness and liberalism, you lose your message.
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Speaker 1: One thing people told me, your.
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Speaker 14: Traditional conservative Christianity will tear the next generation away from Christ.
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Speaker 14: We are actually seeing the exact opposite.
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Speaker 3: Andrew said, joh thank you for your time, Thank you,
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Speaker 3: and that's it from me. Don't go anywhere. Newsnight is
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Speaker 3: up next.