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CONFESSIONS, DNA & GRANDPA’S RIFLE, EVIDENCE MOUNTS IN CHARLIE KIRK SHOOTING, JUDGE RULES · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the Charlie Kurrent shooting suspects,
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Speaker 1: million dollar defense and.
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Speaker 2: We're paying for it.
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Speaker 1: This as the defendant claims no one was in danger, really,
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Speaker 1: his family insisting he's never set foot on the campus
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Speaker 1: anyway and that it's not him.
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Speaker 2: Caught on video. Uh okay, who should I believe you are?
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Speaker 2: My lying eyes?
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Speaker 1: Does it all boil down to this confessions, DNA and
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Speaker 1: Grandpa's rifle? The evidence stacking up? I mean, is he Grace?
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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. I'm going to thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us.
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Speaker 3: It's about two minutes in when the shot was fired.
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Speaker 1: All witnesses are reporting that Polly heard was a single
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Speaker 1: shot that was fired and he reached out to his.
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Speaker 4: Neck and blood was starting the gutshot of his.
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Speaker 5: Neck and it hit him in the coroner at art
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Speaker 5: and that caused a bleedout almost immediately.
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Speaker 1: The Charlie Kirk shooting suspect court appearance yesterday, he did.
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Speaker 2: Not show his face.
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Speaker 1: This as we hear his roommate, his romantic partner, apparently
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Speaker 1: laying low even in a safe house. You know, Charlie
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Speaker 1: Kirk didn't have that opportunity, did he.
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Speaker 2: This as the.
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Speaker 1: Suspect's family also laying low, But tonight we are learning
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Speaker 1: some family members insisting what he's never set foot on
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Speaker 1: the campus before. Okay, I guess all the cameras are lying,
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Speaker 1: So what does that mean it's not him we.
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Speaker 2: See on the video.
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Speaker 1: So much happening straight out to Sidney Sumner Crime Stories
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter. How is how are certain family members claiming
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Speaker 1: that he the suspect, never has been on that campus?
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Speaker 6: How?
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Speaker 2: What's that happening?
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Speaker 1: Am I supposed to ignore what he said in the
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Speaker 1: text to his romantic partner roommate?
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Speaker 6: According to Kandace Owens, you are supposed to ignore those
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Speaker 6: texts because they were offered by SBI agents and not
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Speaker 6: Tyler Robinson to land that was stopping.
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Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm sorry, my earpace must not be working correctly
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Speaker 1: because I've thought for sure, Sydney Summer, I heard you.
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Speaker 2: Say that there is a theory that all the.
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Speaker 1: Text that the alleged shooter sent his romantic partner roommate
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Speaker 1: were actually written by the FBI.
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Speaker 2: Did you say that? I didn't.
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Speaker 6: Candace Owens did on her streams yesterday afternoon, so she
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Speaker 6: took the steps further. We've already heard rumors that gen
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Speaker 6: z ers are saying, you know, I've never heard a
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Speaker 6: twenty two year old talk like that over text message.
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Speaker 2: This is really weird.
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Speaker 6: And she came out and made that accusation yesterday that
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Speaker 6: these text messages are part of an SBI cover up
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Speaker 6: and an SBI agent without a modicum of intelligence wrote
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Speaker 6: those text messages.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So the FBI agent was in on the whole thing,
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Speaker 1: that it was the grandpa's long gun and he couldn't
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Speaker 1: he the legislator couldn't retrieve it and was caught on
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Speaker 1: cam and a dairy queen waiting to go back into
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Speaker 1: the trees and bushes.
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Speaker 2: To get his gun. So the FBI agent that this.
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Speaker 1: Conservative influencer is talking about, what is clairvoyant he was
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Speaker 1: in on the whole thing, or what did he plant
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Speaker 1: the gun to this.
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Speaker 2: From canvas Owens Sydney helped me out. What is she claiming?
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Speaker 6: Well, Nancy, so they're claiming Owens is claiming that these
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Speaker 6: text messages include every single detail that police had tracking
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Speaker 6: Tyler Robinson up until the point that he was arrested.
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Speaker 6: So we're hearing reports now from law enforcement sources that
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Speaker 6: Robinson actually had a run in with police near UVU
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Speaker 6: campus the evening after the shooting, and they believe he
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Speaker 6: was trying to make a move to retrieve that rifle. Now,
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Speaker 6: law enforcements already had the rifle in their possession, They already.
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Speaker 2: Knew what model it was.
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Speaker 6: They already knew that it had a big two thousand
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Speaker 6: dollars scope on it. So Owens is pointing out that
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Speaker 6: these text messages include every single detail of the planning
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Speaker 6: of the shooting, of the rifle that was used in
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Speaker 6: the shooting, and that feels a little bit suspicious. She
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Speaker 6: finds that odd that this thirty start right.
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Speaker 2: So now here we go.
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Speaker 1: The floodgates are open. I haven't even gotten to the
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Speaker 1: hearing that went down yesterday.
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Speaker 2: And what if anything it means to the defense and
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Speaker 2: the state.
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Speaker 1: We are bombarded by these insane theories that the FBI
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Speaker 1: secretly wrote all the texts from Robinson, the alleged shooter,
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Speaker 1: to his roommate, his romantic partner, Lance Twigs, Okay Sky,
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Speaker 1: lazarro joining me, state and federal criminal defense attorney with
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Speaker 1: Ray Quinny and Kniebecker Sky just take off your defense
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Speaker 1: hat one moment, if that's possible. This is fodder for
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Speaker 1: the defense. It's complete fodder. Now, any defense attorney in
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Speaker 1: their right mind would likely not claim that the texts
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Speaker 1: were sent by the FBI because there's just too much
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Speaker 1: knowledge in those texts that nobody else would know all
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Speaker 1: those details other than the sender.
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Speaker 2: But that said, this is muddying the water for the state.
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Speaker 1: All these conspiracy theories have gone wild, and basically the
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Speaker 1: defense can sit back at Pickin's shoes, which crazy Zany
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Speaker 1: conspiracy theory they're going to present to the jury have
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Speaker 1: to come up with a trial strategy. The online sleuths
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Speaker 1: are doing it for them.
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Speaker 7: I couldn't agree more.
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Speaker 2: You know, in this case, this is the best thing that.
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Speaker 7: Can happen, because if you've got a jury pool is
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Speaker 7: fighting with each other about conspiracy theories or this happened
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Speaker 7: or this didn't happen. I mean, that's the best thing
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Speaker 7: that can happen.
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Speaker 1: To these I want to actually see her face, Sky
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Speaker 1: lazarro has won a lot of cases, but I want
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Speaker 1: to see her face. Did you just say, with apparently
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Speaker 1: a straight face, that the defense could blame the government
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Speaker 1: for Charlie Kirk's assassination.
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Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, no, no, what a.
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Speaker 2: FBI agent really did it.
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Speaker 7: No defense attorney is going to do that. That's not
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Speaker 7: going to happen. It's not going to happen in this case. Well,
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Speaker 7: my point was is when you have a jury pool,
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Speaker 7: who's out there, who's getting all of this information and
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Speaker 7: hearing this from different platforms? And I think you know,
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Speaker 7: Candae said millions of viewers yesterday, people believe that stuff.
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Speaker 7: And if you have, if you have a jury pool
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Speaker 7: that is divided on whether or not the government had
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Speaker 7: a hand in this or covered it up or something else,
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Speaker 7: I mean, that's that's the grounds for jury or nullification.
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Speaker 6: Somewhere along the.
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Speaker 2: Way, Chris McDonough, Chris mcdonaugh helped me.
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Speaker 1: Look, i know that some of these wild claims which
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Speaker 1: were about to hear are zany. But when I'm sitting
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Speaker 1: in the prosecutor's chair and I've got Charlie Kirk's widow
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Speaker 1: sitting behind me.
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Speaker 2: Waiting for me to somehow wave.
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Speaker 1: A magic wand and make it all turn out right,
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Speaker 1: and you are confronted with theories like which being thrown
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Speaker 1: out right now, polluting the jury pool, it's overwhelming.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm I'm angry. I am angry.
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Speaker 1: All they make believe and pretend theories that are out
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Speaker 1: there as to who assassinated Charlie Kirk in cold blood.
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Speaker 1: Now a rogue FBI agent did it. It's you can't
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Speaker 1: laugh it off, Chris, as tempting as it is. McDonough
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Speaker 1: is a former homicide investigator. He worked vice, He's worked
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Speaker 1: every angle for the state. He's now the star of
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Speaker 1: the interview room on YouTube, director of the Cold Case Foundation, Chris.
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Speaker 2: This is not a joke. This is real. You get
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Speaker 2: one nut Jr. Look look at O. J. Simpson.
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Speaker 1: Really, people really believe the police could hold it together
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Speaker 1: and create a conspiracy.
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Speaker 2: It's totallys same thing here.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, Nan Cham. I mean and you know more
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Speaker 5: than anybody being in that courtroom to hear craziness like this,
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Speaker 5: I mean, this is just irresponsible right now. I mean
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Speaker 5: the fact that you have this allegation that you know,
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Speaker 5: some other dude i e. Law enforcement, the government, whoever
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Speaker 5: you know, had set this shit up and it's you know,
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Speaker 5: some gigantic conspiracy.
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Speaker 2: Exigent him up.
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Speaker 1: What kid are you talking about, well, Rob talking about
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Speaker 1: is there somehow a middle school shooter?
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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what kid are you talking about?
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Speaker 3: Well?
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Speaker 5: You know we're talking about Tyler Robinson, right, I mean,
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Speaker 5: and by the way I interviewed the younger kid, Well, well,
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Speaker 5: I agree with you, but you know he's also not
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Speaker 5: the smartest tool in the shed, even though he has
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Speaker 5: an IQ that's extremely high. The fact that he's left
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Speaker 5: all the evidence behind him and in front of him.
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Speaker 5: By the way, this I think this is part of
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Speaker 5: a place somewhere from somebody.
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Speaker 2: Wait.
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Speaker 1: The fact that the conspiracy theories are going to make
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Speaker 1: a lot of hay out of what you said just
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Speaker 1: then about leaving Evan and Ola. They're going to claim it
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Speaker 1: was planted. And I don't want to hear another word
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Speaker 1: about he's too dumb to pull it off. This guy
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Speaker 1: won a forty nearly forty thousand dollars scholarship controller and
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Speaker 1: please pull that video up, And do I have to
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Speaker 1: convince McDonough again for Pete to listen.
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Speaker 8: To receive the Resident Presidential Scholarship from Utah si University.
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Speaker 8: The value of this scholarship is approximately thirty two thousand dollars.
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Speaker 5: This scholarship is available for forty years or he's Yeah, well,
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Speaker 5: the state saves a lot of money on that one.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, all that opportunity, all that advantage, and what did
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Speaker 1: he do?
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Speaker 2: What were you saying about the under sheriff.
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Speaker 5: Well, I interviewed the under sheriff and he confirmed that
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Speaker 5: everything that is being said online is not true. First
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Speaker 5: of all, the Tyler Robinson's father was not in law enforcement.
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Speaker 5: It was his friend and that's still being it out there. Second,
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Speaker 5: he did turn himself into the jail with a friend
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Speaker 5: of his who was retired law enforcement. That's not a conspiracy,
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Speaker 5: that's fact.
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Speaker 2: Crime stories.
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Speaker 1: With Nancy Grace, Chris McDonough's, you know what, you're branching
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Speaker 1: out into even more conspiracy theories. And normally I would
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Speaker 1: tastise you for getting off the point, but you're right
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Speaker 1: another conspiracy theory, and let's take a look at the
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Speaker 1: source of some of the conspiracy theories.
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Speaker 9: Any person with a modicum of intelligence is going to go,
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Speaker 9: I'm not going to put this down in writing with
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Speaker 9: every detail.
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Speaker 2: And apparently whoever offered.
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Speaker 9: Those messages likely Fed's, didn't have a modicum of intelligence.
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Speaker 9: The family says that the photo of the young man
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Speaker 9: that is coming up the stairs, which was shared at
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Speaker 9: Blurry Image, is definitively not Tyler Robinson, and when I
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Speaker 9: put together when I'm being told by Lance's family and
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Speaker 9: when I'm hearing from the Robinson family through a third party,
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Speaker 9: I will say that it matches.
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Speaker 2: It kind of seems like they're agreeing.
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Speaker 9: One family's going, Hey, Lance is kind of evil, Why
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Speaker 9: is he getting Why is he getting cleared?
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Speaker 2: The other one's going, Tyler's not this guy.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I really don't know where to start with that big, steaming,
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Speaker 1: stinky crock of BS I just heard that is from
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Speaker 1: Candae Owens.
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Speaker 2: Let's just break it down very quickly.
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Speaker 1: And then maybe we can actually get to the facts,
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Speaker 1: the real facts, the hard evidence about what is happening now.
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Speaker 1: First of all, any person with a modicum of intelligence
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Speaker 1: is going to go I'm.
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Speaker 2: Not going to put this all down in writing.
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Speaker 1: Every detail, and whoever authored those messages like the FEDS
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Speaker 1: don't have a modicum of intelligence.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: I was a FED for three years before I became
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Speaker 1: a felony prosecutor in Superior Court, So as a former FED,
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Speaker 1: I don't appreciate that very much. But that said, I'm
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Speaker 1: very very curious Street makeout to Sky lazarro joining US
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Speaker 1: veteran trial lawyer in both the state and federal criminal systems.
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Speaker 1: That is a really long stretch to claim, Hey, the
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Speaker 1: defendant would never put so many details in his text.
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Speaker 2: Byes, Yes they would because they're not that smart. Sky.
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Speaker 1: Why do you think the federal and the state jails
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Speaker 1: are so full because they're idiots?
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Speaker 7: I wish to to my clients ever wrote anything down,
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Speaker 7: but that is not the reality.
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Speaker 2: No, it's not.
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Speaker 1: And also, let's talk about this to Tracy Brown joining us.
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Speaker 1: You guys know Tracy very well, body language expert and
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Speaker 1: author of How to Detect Lies, Fraud and Identity Theft.
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Speaker 2: She's body language trainer dot com. Tracy.
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Speaker 1: Please, when you think that you are texting with your
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Speaker 1: romantic partner, you say a lot more than you would
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Speaker 1: say to other people.
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Speaker 4: Right, I think you do because there's a very deep
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Speaker 4: trust there.
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Speaker 2: I would say.
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Speaker 4: One of the things that concerned me when I saw
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Speaker 4: this was the perfect punctuation and capitalization and it didn't
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Speaker 4: seem age appropriate to me. So either he's so smart
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Speaker 4: that he's not tuned into his generation, or something else
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Speaker 4: has taken over.
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Speaker 2: It's very odd. Hut her up.
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Speaker 1: Just so you know, try I see both of my
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Speaker 1: twins text NonStop to me, and their punctuation is always perfect.
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Speaker 1: Really wow, Okay that's really yeah, so reality check. Another
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Speaker 1: thing too, Alison Paganelli joining US forensic psychologists. Esteemed forensic
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Speaker 1: psychologists joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. Alison Paganelli,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us, Alison. When you are
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Speaker 1: writing someone that you trust and that you love, that
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Speaker 1: you're romantic with very often, and you lower your guard
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Speaker 1: and you say things you wouldn't normally say to anybody else,
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Speaker 1: isn't that true?
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Speaker 2: Yes? I like that short and sweet. Yes. Another thing
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Speaker 2: regarding this conspiracy theory that the.
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Speaker 1: FBI really wrote the text and not the defendant. The
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Speaker 1: FBI would have to be clairvoyant in some way to
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Speaker 1: know all the details about Grandpa's long gun and how
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Speaker 1: he was trying to go back and retrieve it, and
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Speaker 1: so much more contained in those texts from Tyler Robinson
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Speaker 1: to his roommate. Yes, they would be overly involved.
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Speaker 10: If this were the conspiracy that Candice Owen says it is,
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Speaker 10: then that would mean that the FBI was tracking mister Robinson,
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Speaker 10: knew of weapons, that he had a hold on this
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Speaker 10: the moment.
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Speaker 1: Tracking mister Robinson more like setting him up, because they
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Speaker 1: if the FBI is responsible, then they would have been
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Speaker 1: responsible for the shooting and for setting it up and
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Speaker 1: for framing him. I mean, this goes a lot deeper
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Speaker 1: than thinking a few texts.
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Speaker 2: So you would have to.
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Speaker 1: Believe that the FBI was in on this from the
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Speaker 1: get go. Do you really believe that, because I find
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Speaker 1: it to be a fantastical farce.
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Speaker 10: Do I believe that that's what happened? No, I don't.
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Speaker 10: To me, it would be far fetched for the FBI
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Speaker 10: to pick Tyler Robinson out of many, many males and
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Speaker 10: females who are online talking about various political things. He's
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Speaker 10: a twenty two year old, allegedly really intelligent, he got
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Speaker 10: the scholarship.
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Speaker 2: It would seem to me.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, like I said, pretty far fetched for them to
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Speaker 10: just pick him out and decide, we're going to frame
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Speaker 10: this guy, and we're going to send all these texts.
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Speaker 2: With all the details.
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Speaker 10: It's just it would have had to have been pre
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Speaker 10: planned for a long period of time, and I just
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Speaker 10: don't think that's a plausible theory.
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Speaker 2: It's not plausible.
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Speaker 1: Harmonia Rodriguez now joining US chief US reporter with dailymail
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Speaker 1: dot Com. Harmonia, thank you for being with US so
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Speaker 1: you know now that we're hashing out and this is
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Speaker 1: just one conspiracy theory that the FBI really.
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Speaker 2: Wrote the text.
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Speaker 1: I haven't even gotten to what happened in court, Harmonia,
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Speaker 1: Where is this coming from?
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Speaker 2: This theory? And another thing I.
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Speaker 1: Heard Owen's claim is that the families are saying the
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Speaker 1: defendant is innocent.
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Speaker 2: Of course they are. They always say that. How often
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Speaker 2: do you see.
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Speaker 1: The mother of And by the way, these are this
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Speaker 1: is the family that convinced him to turn himself in,
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Speaker 1: all right now claiming yeah, that's not him in the picture.
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Speaker 2: It's just where's this coming from?
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Speaker 11: This case has been completely riddled by conspiracy theories that
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Speaker 11: have really emerged on social media, particularly on x A lot.
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Speaker 11: You talked about people saying that the text messages do
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Speaker 11: not sound how a gen Zer would speak. We saw
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Speaker 11: a lot of memes being done about this.
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Speaker 1: You know, please, Harmonia, have you noticed it? Everybody talking
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Speaker 1: about how a gen Zer would speak is not a
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Speaker 1: gen Zer? Okay, so consider the source on that.
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Speaker 11: Go ahead, please correct This was all speculation based on
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Speaker 11: nothing specific. But then we start seeing these same conspiracies
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Speaker 11: emerge from Candace Own's show. Now it's important to remember
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Speaker 11: that Canda's owns is not a typical journalist. She claims
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Speaker 11: that she's been speaking to the family of Tyler Robinson,
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Speaker 11: who allegedly claims that that's not their son involved. However,
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Speaker 11: we don't really have evidence about this. She's not saying
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Speaker 11: which people she speak into. She actually mentioned the clip
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Speaker 11: that you showed that she's talking to them through a
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Speaker 11: third person. So a lot of what Kendace owns to
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Speaker 11: say on her show seems to lead to other of
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Speaker 11: the conspiracy theories that she has been peddling about Charlie
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Speaker 11: Kirk and who would have wanted to have him gone
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Speaker 11: according to her.
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Speaker 1: You know, another issue to Sky lazarro joining as veteran
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Speaker 1: trial lawyer out of the Utah jurisdiction. Sky, So much
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Speaker 1: of it is fantastical, but when you seek the twelve
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Speaker 1: in the box, you don't know what they're really thinking.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I would try to get as up close
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Speaker 1: and personal to each juror as I could without getting
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Speaker 1: reprimanded by the judge, and I mean physically close.
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Speaker 2: To them, right up.
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Speaker 1: To the jury rail, if I could to look them
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Speaker 1: in the eye and watch them the way I'm watching
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Speaker 1: you right now, as they answered each question, and the questions,
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Speaker 1: you know, after the typical where do you work, how
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Speaker 1: long have you been there? Or do you have a family,
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Speaker 1: do you know the defendant? Do you know anybody in
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Speaker 1: his family? Blah blah blah. I would look right at
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Speaker 1: them and hold their gaze to see if they looked away,
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Speaker 1: if they blinked rapidly, if they had mannerisms that suggested
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Speaker 1: they had to think about their answers, or they concealing something.
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Speaker 2: You never know skt what they're really thinking.
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Speaker 1: And we've seen so many jurors recently that have gone
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Speaker 1: online and investigated the case themselves, which is prohibited during
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Speaker 1: a trial. You've got to be really careful that one
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Speaker 1: of these jurors haven't gotten sucked down the conspiracy drain
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Speaker 1: that's one hundred percent cracked.
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Speaker 7: I think our biggest fear is trial lawyers are the
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Speaker 7: people who really want to be there. You almost want
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Speaker 7: jerors who don't want to be there because they're probably
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Speaker 7: less involved in the case. You're absolutely right, it doesn't
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Speaker 7: matter how much you do in bordy or how close
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Speaker 7: you get to them. You never know really what those
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Speaker 7: people are thinking deep down, or if they have uh
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Speaker 7: any affiliations or gone down these conspiracy theory rat holes
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Speaker 7: and just want to be a part of this case.
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Speaker 7: And the other thing is, unless just a question, it's
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Speaker 7: almost impossible to keep them offline during your trial.
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Speaker 1: And of course, this is a defense team's fantasy. Is said,
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Speaker 1: you're our fantasy game that they're playing right now, largely
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Speaker 1: fueled by sluice. Tonight, we are dealing with the facts
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Speaker 1: as we know them, and now not he said, she said.
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Speaker 1: The third cousin twice removed told the gas station attendant this,
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Speaker 1: and then they called me.
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Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. But here are just a few of the.
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Speaker 1: Conspiracy theories that are spinning out right now. And trust me,
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Speaker 1: believe you me. The defense is writing everyone down.
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Speaker 9: Listen, any person with a modicum of intelligence is going
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Speaker 9: to go, I'm not going to put this down.
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Speaker 2: In writing with every detail.
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Speaker 9: And apparently whoever offered those messages likely Fed's didn't have
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Speaker 9: a modicum of intelligence. The family says that the photo
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Speaker 9: of the young man that is coming up the stairs,
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Speaker 9: which was shared at Blurry Image, is definitively not Tyler Robinson.
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Speaker 9: And when I put together, when I'm being told by
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Speaker 9: Lance's family and when I'm hearing from the.
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Speaker 2: Robinson family.
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Speaker 9: Through a third party, I will say that it matches.
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Speaker 9: It kind of seems like they're agreeing. One family's going, hey,
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Speaker 9: Lance is kind of evil. Why is he getting Why
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Speaker 9: is he getting cleared? And the other one's going, Tyler's
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Speaker 9: not this guy.
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Speaker 2: From Candas Owens.
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Speaker 3: This is a father of two and a little girl,
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Speaker 3: a little boy, wife, ericakhim or Haiti.
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Speaker 2: He's a media figure.
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Speaker 1: He was magnetic.
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Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk is one of these people that is a firebrand.
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Speaker 3: They know he is one of these guys who has
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Speaker 3: he stood up for what he believes in.
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Speaker 12: Candace Owens claims a source close to the Robinson family
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Speaker 12: believe Robinson is being framed. Has never been to UVU campus.
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Speaker 12: Robinson's parents know the blurry photos distributed by law enforcement
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Speaker 12: are not their son. Robinson never confessed to his father,
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Speaker 12: and he did not write the messages to Lance Twiggs
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Speaker 12: on September tenth.
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Speaker 2: Why are you playing that?
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Speaker 1: I just said We're going to be dealing with facts tonight,
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Speaker 1: not zany conspiracy theories that are handing over wild ideas
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Speaker 1: for the defense to pursue in front of a jury. No,
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Speaker 1: let's go to the courtroom. Listen to what the judge
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Speaker 1: just said.
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Speaker 8: As this case moves forward, mister Robinson's constitutional rights will
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Speaker 8: be protected at every stage he sits before this court
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Speaker 8: presumed innocence, and that presumption remains unless and until, gentlemen,
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Speaker 8: of every offense charged against him is proved beyond a
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Speaker 8: reasonable doubt. At the same time, and as applicable, victims
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Speaker 8: are entitled under our Constitution to be treated with fairness,
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Speaker 8: respect and dignity, free from harassment or abuse. Justice demands
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Speaker 8: that both of these principles, the rights of the accused
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Speaker 8: and the rights of victims, be honored without compromise.
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Speaker 2: City Center.
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Speaker 1: We're hearing the judge right there, Judge Torri Graft speaking
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Speaker 1: talking about being fair not just to the defendant, but
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Speaker 1: to the victims the state as well. Why did everybody
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Speaker 1: go berserve when the judge said he was going to
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Speaker 1: be fair.
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Speaker 2: I don't get it. What's wrong with that?
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Speaker 6: I found nothing wrong with it. I think the judge
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Speaker 6: made the decision to speak on this issue and speak
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Speaker 6: on keeping things fair because this is such a charge
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Speaker 6: case going forward. They really want to protect the defendant,
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Speaker 6: the victim, the future jury. At this latest hearing. Attendees
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Speaker 6: who came in person were not allowed to have bags,
25:10
Speaker 6: They were not allowed to wear any kind of face
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Speaker 6: covering that could possibly conceal their identity. There are serious
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Speaker 6: secure security concerns with this upcoming trial, with all of
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Speaker 6: the hearings up until the trial, and they want to
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Speaker 6: make sure everyone feels safe and secure in that courtroom,
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Speaker 6: you know.
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Speaker 1: To Harmonia Rodriguez joining US chief US reporter with Daily Mail,
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Speaker 1: I respect the judge because the judge is standing up
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Speaker 1: to people, the baying mob that is demanding one thing
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Speaker 1: or all the conspiracy theories shore demanding another thing, and
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Speaker 1: he is saying he's going to be fair and they
25:48
Speaker 1: can all go straight to h doublel. Of course, I'm
25:50
Speaker 1: paraphrasing right there that he is going to do the
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Speaker 1: right thing. Tell me, Siddy was just talking about the
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Speaker 1: security measures taken for this is just the hearing and
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Speaker 1: the defendant didn't even show his face. Profound security measures taken,
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Speaker 1: explain Harmonia.
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Speaker 2: That's right.
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Speaker 11: This was a hearing that was open to the public,
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Speaker 11: so officials had to take extra steps to protect those
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Speaker 11: that were there and also make sure that the influx
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Speaker 11: of people into the courtroom that everyone was saved, and
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Speaker 11: that is why the judge.
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Speaker 2: Made these statements.
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Speaker 11: This case has caused so much commotion around the world,
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Speaker 11: on the country, and people wanted to show up to
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Speaker 11: this hearing, even though, as you mentioned, we didn't even
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Speaker 11: see Tyler Robinson on the video. So the judge made
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Speaker 11: sure to say under these circumstances, where we have all
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Speaker 11: this extra security, where the President of the United States
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Speaker 11: is talking about, is I will not put my finger
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Speaker 11: on the scale of justice. And it was a message
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Speaker 11: I think that needed to be said in this case.
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Speaker 1: You know, the fact that he kept the hearing open
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Speaker 1: to the public, as is ordered by the US Constitution,
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Speaker 1: in the face of what many considered to be a
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Speaker 1: copycat shooting, to me, shows great bravery.
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Speaker 2: On the part of the judge. Listen to this.
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Speaker 13: A twenty nine year old Texas man opens fire on
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Speaker 13: an ice facility in Dallas. Joshua John fired indiscriminately at
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Speaker 13: the building, killing one detainee and injuring two more. Bullet
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Speaker 13: ca scenes recovered at the scene were inscribed with quote
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Speaker 13: anti ice. John's brother said he did not know John
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Speaker 13: to be very politically motivated. The brothers grew up in
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Speaker 13: nearby Allen texas As boy Scouts. One of John's boy
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Speaker 13: Scout friends remembered a conversation about immigration with John in
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Speaker 13: which he was upset that no one seemed to understand
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Speaker 13: how desperate families are to get away from dangerous situations.
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Speaker 1: And there you hear a guy who is seemingly not
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Speaker 1: concerned with politics before being led to a blind shooting.
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Speaker 1: And this is not whether you agree with Ice or
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Speaker 1: don't agree with Ice.
28:05
Speaker 2: This is a.
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Speaker 1: Shooter politically motivated killing people. The fact that the judge
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Speaker 1: had an open courtroom is very impressive and standing up
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Speaker 1: to both sides, both very powerful sides wanting one outcome
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Speaker 1: or the next. Now you just heard Harmonia Rodriguez mentioned
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Speaker 1: the judge referring to the scales of justice.
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Speaker 8: Listen, I will carry out my duties with fidelity, transparency,
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Speaker 8: and impartiality, treating every person who appears before me with
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Speaker 8: the dignity and respect they inherently do because they are
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Speaker 8: human beings. Let me be clear, I will not put
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Speaker 8: my finger on the scale of justice. These proceedings will
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Speaker 8: be open to the public, conducted in accordance with the law,
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Speaker 8: and handled with big diligence and competent to ensure that
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Speaker 8: justice is never compromised.
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Speaker 1: What he means by that is, as you all know,
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Speaker 1: Lady Justice carries a shield and a sword, she also
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Speaker 1: holds the scales.
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Speaker 2: Of justice in her hands.
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Speaker 1: And when the judge says, I'm not putting my finger
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Speaker 1: on the scale, which would tip the scales of justice,
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Speaker 1: basically calling for one outcome guilty or the other not
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Speaker 1: guilty by tipping.
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Speaker 2: The scales of justice.
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Speaker 1: Is it true, Harmonia Rodriguez, that the defense has already
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Speaker 1: been giving Carte Blanche a million dollar defense. They've already
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Speaker 1: been given a million dollars out of my wallet.
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Speaker 11: That's correct. This case is going to be really expensive
29:51
Speaker 11: for the state, and because it's a death penalty case,
29:54
Speaker 11: the state can attribute lots and lots of money for
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Speaker 11: the defendant to get the best of defense possible. And
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Speaker 11: it doesn't have to be a public defender from the county.
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Speaker 11: It can be a prominent, fancy lawyer like the one
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Speaker 11: they have obtained. Her name is Catherine Nestor. And yes,
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Speaker 11: reports are saying that this game is I believe it's both.
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Speaker 11: And then the defense will cost the state of Utah
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Speaker 11: as much as a million dollars.
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Speaker 13: As Utah County prepares for a high profile trial. They
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Speaker 13: are awarded a million dollars of taxpayer money to fund
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Speaker 13: Robinson's defense. The county hires three attorneys on Robinson's behalf.
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Speaker 13: The team led by Catherine Nester of Nestor Lewis and
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Speaker 13: Salt Lake City. Nestor earned her law degree at the
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Speaker 13: University of Texas and has more than thirty three years
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Speaker 13: of defense experience, working in both Salt Lake and San
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Speaker 13: Diego as a public defender.
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Speaker 2: Crime stores with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 7: I heard the gunshot go off, and that was when
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Speaker 7: I started hearing a legend started trying and streaming to
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Speaker 7: get down.
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Speaker 2: I was clarified.
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Speaker 3: The man who allegedly shot Charlie Kirk, twenty two year
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Speaker 3: old Utah resident Tyler Robinson.
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Speaker 1: I'm getting bombarded right now with conspiracy theories.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so I say.
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Speaker 1: Stop the conspiracy theories, and now they're pouring in like mad.
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Speaker 2: I want to take.
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Speaker 1: A look at the shooting suspect, the Charlie Kirk shooting
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Speaker 1: suspect Robinson on body cam.
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Speaker 2: Let's see what we can learn watch this. You guys
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Speaker 2: have a couple of different versions about what happened. So
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Speaker 2: we have a. We had a third party witness that
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Speaker 2: watch the entire theme.
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Speaker 6: I'm just trying to clarify your guys story a little bit.
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Speaker 12: So you're heading from that right most through lane through.
31:47
Speaker 5: The intersection with cash.
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Speaker 8: Maybe a second or so before I reached the intersection,
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Speaker 8: the light changed yellowf.
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Speaker 3: Okay, you remember looking at the lights.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I was looking off at the light just before
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Speaker 6: getting there.
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Speaker 1: The main thing I see right there is it looks
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Speaker 1: just like he did in the video after the shooting
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Speaker 1: and before the shooting where he's wearing the sunglasses and
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Speaker 1: the hat. Here's some more body campist watch.
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Speaker 6: So people on the side of you were slowing down
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Speaker 6: to a stop.
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Speaker 2: Right, I've seeing someone was slowing down, and I wondered
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Speaker 2: why they had slown so much.
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Speaker 12: Okay, why did you do they were slowing down?
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Speaker 11: I'm not sure, Okay, because I was turning red.
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Speaker 13: Well, I was slow, like close up to the light
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Speaker 13: that I would be like I would end.
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Speaker 4: Up in the intersection and quitely trying to break from
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Speaker 4: that speed.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, let's go straight out to Tracy Brown, joining
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Speaker 1: US body language expert and author of How to Detect Lies. Tracy,
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Speaker 1: I'm just looking at his body language and his demeanor
32:50
Speaker 1: with the LA law enforcement.
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Speaker 2: What do you make of it? If anything?
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Speaker 4: I watched the whole video, the whole hour long footage,
32:57
Speaker 4: and here's what's different between him and everyone else there,
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Speaker 4: because you got to ask yourself, what do you see
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Speaker 4: and what's missing? And what's missing is two things. One nervousness,
33:09
Speaker 4: so he may not have a.
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Speaker 2: Response to trauma.
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Speaker 4: And that can indicate like that, that can lead someone
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Speaker 4: to think.
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Speaker 2: That, you know, what he allegedly did was okay.
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Speaker 4: Everyone else, his brother, his mom, the guy in the
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Speaker 4: car that he hit, showed signs of anxiety, fidgeting, wiping
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Speaker 4: or touching your face, touching your neck, playing.
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Speaker 2: With your hair.
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Speaker 4: He doesn't show anything. He keeps his hands in his pockets,
33:41
Speaker 4: actually puts his thumbs in his pockets, which is framing
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Speaker 4: his manhood there, and it's different from everyone else.
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Speaker 1: Put her up, plays Tray Saint Brown. What do you
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Speaker 1: mean by putting his thumbs in his pocket? Says quote
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Speaker 1: framing his manhood? I feel like I'm reading a nineteen
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Speaker 1: sixty nine romance novel, framing his manhood.
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Speaker 2: Who said that I'm trying to be I'm trying to be.
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Speaker 4: I'm trying to be It's the same moves that I've
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Speaker 4: seen when I've done reads on Justin Bieber. It's showing
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Speaker 4: how powerful he is, and it's uh, it's it's allude.
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Speaker 1: Made my pointing to his crotch to put it mildly,
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Speaker 1: that's what I mean. Okay, all right, like those guys
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Speaker 1: that are always grabbing themselves.
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Speaker 2: I didn't know that meant anything. Okay, go ahead. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's a.
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Speaker 4: Power play, is what it is. And so he's different.
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Speaker 2: He thought it was awkward.
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Speaker 4: Well, okay, so let's let's put him in the situation.
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Speaker 4: Standing on the corner when your car is sitting in
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Speaker 4: front of you wrecked and the police have showed up
34:47
Speaker 4: and you don't know how you're getting a ride home
34:49
Speaker 4: is awkward. So we got to give him that. He
34:52
Speaker 4: doesn't show the same level of effect that everyone else
34:57
Speaker 4: involved does, and he also shows a bit of a
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Speaker 4: lack of awareness of the situation and what really happened.
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Speaker 4: That last part is a little more understandable, but this
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Speaker 4: shows I think it indicates how he is with law
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Speaker 4: enforcement and.
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Speaker 2: Concern for those around him, in effect.
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Speaker 4: At a very very intense situation.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's really interesting that you.
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Speaker 1: Interpret his behavior in that manner because, believe it or not, Tracy,
35:34
Speaker 1: that is what other experts are saying regarding his behavior
35:38
Speaker 1: right after the shooting. You're in lockstep. You're dovetailing with
35:44
Speaker 1: what other experts have said about his demeanor right after
35:47
Speaker 1: the shooting.
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Speaker 2: Listen.
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Speaker 3: Experts ay Robinson's behavior after the shooting indicates he did
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Speaker 3: not have a solid plan to avoid capture. Former FBI
35:55
Speaker 3: agent Michael Tabman believes Robinson likely struggled with the gravity
35:59
Speaker 3: of his actions, leading to disorientation and confusion after the shooting.
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Speaker 3: Davin says Robinson had likely come to terms of being
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Speaker 3: caught and did not plan for what happened. After taking
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Speaker 3: the shot. Robinson waited in or in four hours trying
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Speaker 3: to recover his grandfather's mouser, and reportedly had a run
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Speaker 3: in with police on UVU campus that evening as he
36:19
Speaker 3: made a move to get to the gun.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not really buying into everything our investigative reporter
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Speaker 1: just said, such as he had confusion because he left
36:31
Speaker 1: the scene, he changed clothes, he lay in wait trying
36:34
Speaker 1: to get his grandpa's long gun back. That doesn't sound
36:38
Speaker 1: confused at all to me. Because he knew that that
36:41
Speaker 1: gun would be traced right back to his grandpa and
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Speaker 1: it had been gifted to him.
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Speaker 2: In fact, isn't it true?
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Speaker 1: Harmonia Rodriguez Daily Mail that his bio dad, his father,
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Speaker 1: Robinson's father, kept saying, send me a picture of your
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Speaker 1: grandpa's gun, Send me a picture, and he couldn't because
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Speaker 1: it was confiscated by police. So he knew that gun
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Speaker 1: would connect directly to him.
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Speaker 2: That's not confused. That's kind of smart.
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Speaker 11: That's right, And that's a very important part of his
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Speaker 11: conversations with his romantic partner and roommates where he seems
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Speaker 11: the most thinking about the rifle and trying to get
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Speaker 11: it back. So he does mention that he's unsure whether
37:25
Speaker 11: the rifle will have a serial number and be traced
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Speaker 11: back to him because it's an old weapon. It is
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Speaker 11: his grandfather's. Thousand percent in those messages that we have
37:34
Speaker 11: seen with his romantic interest, Tyler Robinson was hyper focused
37:40
Speaker 11: in getting that rifle and he knew it was the
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Speaker 11: major thing tying him to the crime, and that's why
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Speaker 11: he remained in the area trying to retrieve it.
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Speaker 2: Well, I guess you know, it's a sneaky FBI.
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Speaker 1: According to Cannie Owens, again they knew not only that
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Speaker 1: the murder weapon belonged to Tyler Robinson had been given
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Speaker 1: to him by his grandpa, but also in those texts.
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Speaker 1: This completely belies any claim that he was confused. He
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Speaker 1: says to the roommate and texts, hey, go drop what
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Speaker 1: you're doing.
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Speaker 2: His words are not mine.
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Speaker 1: Go under my keyboard, to my computer and get rid
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Speaker 1: of this piece of paper that says, hey, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to have a chance to shoot Charlie Kirk and I'm
38:25
Speaker 1: going to take it. So I guess the FBI either
38:29
Speaker 1: planted that under his computer and then texted about it.
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Speaker 1: My point was just total complete bs. But my point
38:38
Speaker 1: is here that he is by far from confused. Would
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Speaker 1: you agree, Hermania Rodriguez.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, that's another way that we know he planned this attack,
38:50
Speaker 11: because after he did it, he had we know that
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Speaker 11: he had left something in the apartment for the roommate
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Speaker 11: to find. Right after the shooting, they contact the roommate
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Speaker 11: and say, hey, chetguns are the keyboard. So there's more
39:03
Speaker 11: premeditation plan right obviously.
39:05
Speaker 1: And speaking of the long gun, Tracy Brown and any
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Speaker 1: Year saying he didn't seem to understand the gravity or
39:13
Speaker 1: he couldn't take in the gravity of the car crash,
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Speaker 1: and he was acting really cavalier and casual guy in
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Speaker 1: front of the police that responded.
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Speaker 2: To the crash.
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Speaker 1: But here and after the shooting, we actually see him
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Speaker 1: and this is thanks to Candae Owens.
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Speaker 2: She came up with this dq Jairy Queen photo of
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Speaker 2: him hanging around in the area.
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Speaker 1: You know, he wanted to leave the area, but he
39:40
Speaker 1: wanted to go and retrieve the long gun.
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Speaker 2: It's like he doesn't understand.
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Speaker 1: He was more worried, you know that his dad was
39:49
Speaker 1: going to get mad about the long gun.
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Speaker 2: That's what he was upset about.
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Speaker 1: He didn't seem to understand the gravity that he just
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Speaker 1: murdered someone, according to police.
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Speaker 2: A shot from Candie Owens. What about it, Tracy, Well.
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Speaker 4: The way you do anything is the way you do everything.
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Speaker 4: So I am not surprised that he was aloof about
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Speaker 4: the situation that he had just created, like in killing someone.
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Speaker 2: It's the same way that he handled the car wreck.
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Speaker 4: So not surprised, and yeah, this is this is how
40:21
Speaker 4: he does things.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: But but Tracy Brown, I hear what you're saying, and
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Speaker 1: I want to follow up on that with our shrink
40:28
Speaker 1: forensics psychologist Alison Paganelli joining us in the Atlanta jurisdiction.
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Speaker 1: Disconnected to what you've done. I see that all the
40:40
Speaker 1: time in killers because people aren't real to them their objects.
40:45
Speaker 1: They don't feel human empathy toward their victim or the
40:49
Speaker 1: victim's family. So being disconnected does not rise to legal
40:56
Speaker 1: insanity that you don't know right from wrong at the
40:58
Speaker 1: time of the incident, does it.
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Speaker 10: It does not, in fact, any sort of mental condition
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Speaker 10: that is just based on a pattern of criminal behavior
41:10
Speaker 10: or antisocial traits, lack of empathy would not qualify for
41:14
Speaker 10: even the first step of an insanity defense.
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Speaker 1: Just released dispatch audio has only poured fuel on the flame.
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Speaker 6: Listen, Gorge, can we just add a front for the
41:29
Speaker 6: case documenting that there was an.
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Speaker 2: Officer in hospital would come stage in the.
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Speaker 10: Emergency or in bank.
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Speaker 1: This from at Hustle bitch on X straight out to
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Speaker 1: Sydney Sumner joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter. Apparently the
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Speaker 1: original death certificate was signed by a doctor at the hospital.
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Speaker 1: Remember Kirk was taken straight to the hospital, and so
41:59
Speaker 1: that is where the death certificate came from. The death
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Speaker 1: certificate isn't that right so far our city's owner.
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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, straight out.
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Speaker 1: To especial guests joining us now, doctor Priabenergy Board Certify
42:12
Speaker 1: forensic pathologist, anatomic pathologist with anchor forensic Pathology consulting, Doctor Priya,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us, doctor Priya.
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Speaker 1: While the death certificate may have been issued at the hospital,
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Speaker 1: that does not preclude Kirk's body being sent for autopsy,
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Speaker 1: does it?
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Speaker 6: Oh?
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Speaker 14: Not at all, Not at all. First of all, I
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Speaker 14: would say that anytime there's trauma involved, a regular doctor,
42:41
Speaker 14: even an er doctors signed the death certificate, so that
42:44
Speaker 14: death certificate is null and void. They're not, They're not
42:48
Speaker 14: legally allowed.
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Speaker 2: To do that.
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Speaker 14: So what will happen is that you'll go for an
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Speaker 14: autopsy even if the cause of death is somewhat obvious.
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Speaker 14: But we really need to document was injured, you know,
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Speaker 14: do it systematically and an issue a death certificate.
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Speaker 1: Harmonia Rodriguez joining US CHIEFUS reporter dailymail dot com. As
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Speaker 1: of tonight, has the autopsy report the official COEOD cause
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Speaker 1: of death being released.
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Speaker 11: No, we have not seen an autopsy report, and that has,
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Speaker 11: as you said, fueled further speculation.
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Speaker 1: Back to doctor preamenergy joining as a forensic pathologist, doctor Prea.
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Speaker 2: A slowdown in the release.
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Speaker 1: Of an autopsy report could be due to any number
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Speaker 1: of things. You got to wait on toxicology. With all
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Speaker 1: of the conspiracy theories floating around out there, I think
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Speaker 1: many of them will be put to rest once we
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Speaker 1: get the official autopsy report.
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Speaker 2: What do you think is the hold up? Why not
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Speaker 2: report yet?
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Speaker 14: Well, I think you're absolutely right in that. You know,
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Speaker 14: even if the autopsy is completed, the exam, the report
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Speaker 14: is very detailed, there's other studies that need to be done,
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Speaker 14: like to picology that does not happen overnight. And obviously
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Speaker 14: in any case but a high profile case, we want
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Speaker 14: to dot our eyes, cross our teeth. So I don't
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Speaker 14: know if there's any special analysis being done. But there's
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Speaker 14: also like different rules state to state. I mean, you know,
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Speaker 14: there could be legal issues where you would be able
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Speaker 14: to time in more of an eye as to why
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Speaker 14: the report may not even be released, especially with an
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Speaker 14: ongoing investigation.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be any number of reasons.
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Speaker 1: But now the conspiracy theorists are claiming the government will
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Speaker 1: use their own doctors.
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Speaker 2: To affect a cover up.
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Speaker 1: The theories even go as far as attacking Charlie Kirk's widow,
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Speaker 1: the mother of his children, is not I mean from
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Speaker 1: conspiracy theorists. As you will recall, at his memorial, Erica
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Speaker 1: Kirk raced up and I love you sign Now that
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Speaker 1: is being twisted around to claim that she is actually
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Speaker 1: putting up the devil's horns. The video you're seeing right
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Speaker 1: there is from turning point, But anyone familiar with sign
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Speaker 1: language knows hi, I love you, that's what she's doing.
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Speaker 1: I love you abbreviated. They won't even leave his widow alone.
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Speaker 1: We are also learning that, speaking of Erica Kirk to
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Speaker 1: Sidney Sumner, are there also theories that Prime Minister Benjamin
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Speaker 1: Netanyahoo ordered the hint and that Erica is actually in
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Speaker 1: an Israeli spy named Honeypot.
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Speaker 6: Yes. Unfortunately, that is a rumor that is going around
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Speaker 6: that just gets a whoa really reaction from me personally.
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Speaker 6: So the rumor is that Charlie Kirk, who has been
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Speaker 6: vocal in his support of Israel, was kind of coming
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Speaker 6: to a point that he was no longer going to
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Speaker 6: be offering them his support in this conflict.
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Speaker 1: So, okay, you know what, I'm just going to stop
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Speaker 1: you right there. I'm just going to stop you right there.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to add fuel to the flying
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Speaker 2: Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,