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Discipleship Stems from Loving Jesus with Dr. Elizabeth Smith & The Impact of Spirit-led Fellowship with Greg Dempster · Karl and Crew

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  S6: One of the coolest things that's been happening on Carl
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  S6: and crew is discipleship. Themes have been popping up when
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  S6: we don't even expect it. It's pretty cool.
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  S4: What? What comes to mind? What are you thinking of?
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  S6: I'm thinking pastor tanks. Oh, okay.
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  S4: Yeah.
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  S6: That's what I'm thinking. Yes, I'm thinking guns, artillery and
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  S6: pastor tanks. That's what I'm thinking.
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  S4: That was a that was a cool surprise. We were
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  S4: talking to him about the walk worthy men's conference that's
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  S4: coming up in the Cleveland area this Saturday. And we got, boy,
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  S4: we got a bonus in the conversation about discipleship because
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  S4: that's his heart.
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  S2: And he crushed it.
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  S6: This guy is amazing, is he not? Oh by the way,
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  S6: Pastor Tank's, Ali's going to tell you exactly how to
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  S6: find him. Not that I'm putting you on the spot, Ali.
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  S4: Just text show to (800) 555-7898. Text show to (800) 555-7898. And
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  S4: the walk worthy conference this weekend is. Yes, there are
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  S4: tickets still available in-person and live stream. Just text walk
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  S4: to 800 555. 7898. Walk to 800 555 7898. You
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  S4: can hear him either in person or live online.
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  S6: You can get your tank filled with pastor tanks.
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  S7: That's a good one.
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  S6: Something there. So check it out. Speaking of discipleship, uh,
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  S6: we've got a young lady. She's a fireball, guys.
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  S7: Totally, totally feed off her energy.
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  S6: Elizabeth Smith going to be showing up here in just
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  S6: a moment. And we're going to be talking discipleship. Our
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  S6: lives becoming apprentices of Jesus Christ. How in the world
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  S6: does that work, anyway?
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  S1: You can take him out of Alaska, but you can't
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  S1: take Alaska out of him. Carl is in the crew.
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  S1: It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
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  S6: Well, I asked her one time, do you ever go
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  S6: by Liz? She says, no, it's Elizabeth, like the Queen.
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  S6: We get the Queen with us right now? How you doing,
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  S6: Queen Smith?
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  S8: I am doing royally well. Thank you. How are you,
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  S8: my humble servant? Are you well also?
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  S2: She owns.
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  S3: It. She's owning it. Yes, doctor.
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  S4: Elizabeth. Queen Elizabeth Smith.
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  S3: Doctor Elizabeth.
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  S4: Smith, associate dean of academics for Moody Online and the
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  S4: program head of children and family ministry here at the
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  S4: Moody Bible Institute.
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  S6: All right. Got a pitch question to you. I'm not
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  S6: asked you this one ever before. And this is this
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  S6: is a I'm setting up a tee ball for you,
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  S6: so you're going to crush it. Here we go. The
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  S6: general metrics for success in church life has been how
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  S6: many people are coming and how much money is given.
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  S6: But according to Jesus in the Great Commission, and really
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  S6: buttressed by Second Timothy two two man, what you've heard
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  S6: from me, Timothy, and trust the faithful people who will
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  S6: give it to others as well for four generations of
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  S6: disciples making disciples. What are we going to do to
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  S6: make the main thing the main thing and the main
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  S6: thing is disciple making. Elizabeth.
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  S8: We are going to be faithful followers of Jesus ourselves,
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  S8: and the word is faithful. If we are going to
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  S8: pass on a faith to those following us, then we
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  S8: have to be faithful in that. We need to do
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  S8: and become transformed by what God has asked us to do,
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  S8: so that then in our transformation state, we can take
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  S8: the gospel and the Word of God to others to
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  S8: be transformed. But we have to be transformed first. In
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  S8: the way to do that is to be faithful to
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  S8: what our father, who is a king, by the way,
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  S8: our King of Kings, what he has told us to
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  S8: do and to be with him.
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  S4: Doctor Elizabeth Smith, our guest this morning. You know, when
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  S4: I think about evangelism, discipleship. because here in the West
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  S4: we have the benefit of having oftentimes. Large buildings, equipped
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  S4: spaces of churches have children's spaces. The emphasis has been
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  S4: on bringing people into the building, inviting people to church,
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  S4: whether it's for a Sunday service, for a mid-week service,
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  S4: for an outreach, which is great. But from your vantage point,
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  S4: how has our emphasis on inviting people into a building
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  S4: sometimes worked against our efforts towards discipleship?
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  S8: We could look at the pastor or the one who
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  S8: will be speaking in the building, because we're inviting them
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  S8: into a building to hear a message. Usually we're wanting
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  S8: them to come and hear something or engage in something,
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  S8: but then it makes those who are doing that professionals,
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  S8: and we're not going to pass on our faith to
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  S8: professionals to do our job for us. We need to
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  S8: be doing the job to be so in love with
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  S8: Jesus and following him. You know, we all speak about
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  S8: things that we're in love with. Like, would you love
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  S8: to hear about my husband and my family and my Jesus?
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  S8: I'll talk about all that all day long because I
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  S8: am in love with them. I just adore them. So
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  S8: I don't want to pass on that message and that
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  S8: heart to someone else, to a professional. I want to
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  S8: own that. And I think that's what we got away
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  S8: from in the church. We gave the job of discipleship
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  S8: away to professionals. When we as the church, everyone has
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  S8: a responsibility and a special place in passing on that
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  S8: faith and making disciples. So a lot of times people
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  S8: will talk themselves down. Well, I don't know as much
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  S8: of the pastor. I don't have all the right answers.
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  S8: Jesus calls you to be faithful and to love him
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  S8: and to let that light shine. And then as you
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  S8: speak about him, the spirit will give you the words
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  S8: and the ability to speak for him and to demonstrate
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  S8: what that faith is.
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  S6: You know, Elizabeth, you just said it in one little
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  S6: word to love him. Two words love him. Uh, I
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  S6: was talking to David Nelms. I was in Kenya recently
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  S6: and just watching disciples, making disciples. It was epic. I said,
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  S6: hey bro, here's the deal. If you were coming back stateside,
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  S6: this is a former megachurch pastor who decided I'm going
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  S6: to take discipleship globally here. If you were coming back
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  S6: stateside and you wanted to really make disciples, what would
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  S6: you do? His answer shocked me. My bride sitting with me,
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  S6: and we're listening to this going, whoa! He said I
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  S6: would camp out on the great commandment, not the commission,
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  S6: not to go make disciples. He said I would camp
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  S6: out on the great commandment love the Lord your God
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  S6: with all your heart, soul, mind. And one gospel says, strength.
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  S6: He said, I'd camp out on that for seven weeks. Ali. Wow,
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  S6: that's what he said. Seven weeks. Elizabeth. Because he is
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  S6: convinced that the problem is not the Great Commission. The
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  S6: real challenge that we have is helping people fall in
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  S6: love with God. Give us your best response to that.
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  S8: I think he's right. I think we live in a complicit,
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  S8: complacent society in which we just kind of go along
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  S8: to get along, and Jesus doesn't call us to do that.
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  S8: When you are radically in love, your whole focus, your
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  S8: whole life is centered around that which you love. And
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  S8: we need to be our central focus needs to be Jesus.
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  S8: And when we love him and are focused on him,
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  S8: we can come generous and a bit obnoxious and just
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  S8: how much we want to love others because of the
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  S8: love that he's placed in us. And when you love
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  S8: others generously with the love that God has first given
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  S8: to you, and when that happens, the fruit of the spirit,
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  S8: the love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, self control
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  S8: all of that that God gives us, it shines through.
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  S8: And that is pretty hard to resist.
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  S6: Yeah, and it's an overflow deal. So it's weird because
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  S6: I don't care if it's cross stitching. Is that still
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  S6: a thing, by the way? Help me. Team or or
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  S6: mountain biking or whatever. If you find people that love something,
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  S6: it oozes out of them. I mean, it's undeniable, right?
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  S8: Yeah. Think about the last movie you saw that you
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  S8: just loved. You'll go on and on and on about
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  S8: the movie, or you go to a great restaurant. You
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  S8: go on and on and on about the.
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  S6: Yes, yes, yes.
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  S8: How do you know if you're really in love with
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  S8: Jesus as much as you can be? Well, do you
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  S8: go on and on and on about Jesus in what
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  S8: you say and in how you act and in what
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  S8: you do, because you just can't help yourself. If you're
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  S8: really in love with something, it's like, I just can't
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  S8: help it. I just have to tell you, I have
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  S8: to show you that where we need to not be
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  S8: complacent or distracted with the things of the world. We
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  S8: need to be overflowing with that love that God puts
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  S8: in our heart first, because of the gospel that saves us,
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  S8: that we just can't help but go tell others. I
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  S8: need to tell you, the gospel has saved me and
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  S8: I'm so in love with my Savior. Let me tell
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  S8: you about him.
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  S6: Amen.
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  S4: Elizabeth Smith, associate dean of academics for Moody Online program,
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  S4: head of children and Family Ministry. Coming up, we're going
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  S4: to tell you about some exciting new things happening with
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  S4: Moody online, and an opportunity for maybe you to get
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  S4: some continuing education, no matter what age or stage of
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  S4: life you're in. More coming up here on Carl and crew.
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  S1: Standing on the rock each and every day. You're listening
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  S1: to Carl and crew.
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  S6: We affectionately call her Elizabeth the Queen Smith. Don't ever
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  S6: call her Liz. Let me tell you. But she's with
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  S6: us now. She is the associate dean of academics for
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  S6: Moody Online. All right. I love data. Give us some
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  S6: data points. What's going on with Moody Online?
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  S8: Moody online? This last year has grown 15% in the fall,
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  S8: and we are now growing another 15% this spring. And
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  S8: going beyond that, we are doubled our applications for the
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  S8: business major. The Children and Family Ministry program is the
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  S8: fourth largest program at Moody Bible Institute, because Moody Online
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  S8: is passionate about ensuring that people are trained in the
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  S8: things of God so that they are transformed by him,
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  S8: as well as doing whatever he's called them to do.
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  S8: And people are catching on. Moody online became its own
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  S8: school about a year ago, and with that, the ability
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  S8: to be nimble, to be kind of quick on our feet,
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  S8: to be able to offer degrees like a business degree
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  S8: or the master's in Human Services, or our brand new
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  S8: Moody Online Academy, which is allowing sophomores, juniors and seniors
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  S8: in high school to come and to take up to
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  S8: six college courses so that they are getting their gen
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  S8: Eds or their other courses at just $99 a credit,
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  S8: because we want to transform the worldview and who people
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  S8: are as they get trained, what they do, and people
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  S8: are responding.
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  S4: Okay, tell us more about this moody online academy for
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  S4: high school students, because this is new and as the
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  S4: parent of a 11th grader, piques my interest a little bit. Explain.
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  S8: So lots and lots and lots of high schoolers now
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  S8: are wanting to take courses, college courses that could counter
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  S8: their high school degree. It depends on what school they
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  S8: go to. So whether it's a public school, private school
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  S8: or home school that they want to take a college
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  S8: course that will counter their high school degree and or
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  S8: they take it so that they're getting ready early for college.
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  S8: And these classes that we can offer. Moody's doing that now,
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  S8: but we're doing it at such a reduced rate, $99
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  S8: a credit because we want them to I know. So
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  S8: it's a ridiculously low price for a college course. But
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  S8: with trained professors who are ready to work with high schoolers,
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  S8: the high schools will be in a college course with
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  S8: other college students. So it's fully online, so they'll meet
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  S8: people all over the world and at all ages as
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  S8: they study together and whatever they study, like Intro to Philosophy.
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  S8: But from a Christian worldview, they could take those courses
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  S8: to any college around the world. You know, they can
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  S8: transfer in because we're accredited at Moody Online, but they
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  S8: could also take degrees with Moody online, they can start
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  S8: their undergraduate degree with us or like a certificate and
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  S8: associate a bachelor's degree. They can also transfer those in
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  S8: to most programs at the Moody Bible Institute in Chicago.
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  S8: So these courses set students up for success, for sure.
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  S8: But what I love is that you're impacting your child's worldview.
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  S8: These are from dedicated, faithful Christians who care not just
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  S8: about what they know, but who they are.
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  S6: Stop the train and let everyone on. This is crazy.
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  S6: I didn't know that I knew about some of these
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  S6: other degrees. I didn't know about those. Moody online for
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  S6: high schoolers. This is epic. Okay, the audience is listening.
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  S6: This is epic, Ali. We got people dialed in right
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  S6: now saying, give me some more of this.
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  S4: If you want a key word here, we'll give you
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  S4: Moody to 800 555 7898. That way you can explore
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  S4: the website, learn more about what's being offered both for
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  S4: continuing education and for high schoolers. Just text Moody to
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  S4: 800 555 7898.
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  S6: I gotta tell you, Elizabeth, this is epic. What you're
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  S6: up to here. I want to keep getting you back
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  S6: here over and over again, because we've got such a
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  S6: vast audience. And I know right now there are thousands
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  S6: of people that are having an aha moment. So thank
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  S6: you for this.
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  S8: No, thank you for letting me come on and say
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  S8: we do we we believe education is a discipleship tool,
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  S8: and we can change the hearts and the minds of
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  S8: our students to love Jesus more so that no matter
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  S8: where they're called to go or to do in this
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  S8: life who they are as a more faithful follower of Jesus.
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  S6: You got the key word boom cru Moody to 805, 55, 78, 98.
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  S6: Come and get it. Come and get it. We got
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  S6: the train stopped. It's time to get on. Moody 800
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  S6: 555 7898.
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  S1: Your spiritual pit stop to keep you going in the race.
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  S1: You're listening to Carl and Cru Ali.
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  S6: I'm going to put you on the spot, sister.
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  S7: Oh, boy.
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  S3: Do I.
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  S4: Want to be on.
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  S3: The spot? Is that you, boy?
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  S6: With a question mark or an exclamation point?
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  S3: We'll find out in about 30s.
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  S2: I feel like we've all become pretty professional curveball hitters
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  S2: over the last nine years.
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  S3: You know what? Let me.
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  S6: Just pause and say thank you for.
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  S3: Being gracious. You guys.
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  S6: Are good.
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  S3: Sports.
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  S2: It makes it fun.
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  S6: Now, Jonathan's got this switch in his brain that I
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  S6: ask him for something. He's like my dog blaze. He's like, okay, okay.
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  S3: Okay, I'll do.
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  S6: It. I'll do it.
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  S4: I will sing on demand. I'm definitely not doing that.
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  S4: So as long as it doesn't involve singing, you can
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  S4: put me.
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  S3: On the no.
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  S6: Singing.
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  S3: No singing. What is it?
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  S6: When did discipleship first hit your heart? What did you see?
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  S6: What did you hear? What did you. And I've already
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  S6: got your story in my brain.
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  S4: Oh, boy. I mean, there are different moments that come
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  S4: to mind, but really, one of the ones where I
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  S4: feel like I got most excited about discipleship was really
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  S4: in here, in studio when we were talking to David
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  S4: Nelms from the Timothy Initiative, and he gave a vision
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  S4: for what discipleship can look like. That's the time that
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  S4: I remember getting most excited about it.
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  S6: That's what I was going to pin down. I mean,
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  S6: that was big. It was a reset for me because,
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  S6: I mean, you don't go to Bible college and seminary
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  S6: and walk out of there without knowing that your primary
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  S6: objective is to go and make disciples who make disciples.
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  S6: But the way David put it was just powerful, wasn't it?
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  S4: It was because I think that easily the emphasis can
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  S4: be on getting people to church and even getting people
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  S4: to accept Christ, which is those are both really good aims.
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  S4: But sometimes it can stop there and it's like, okay, well,
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  S4: now that we've got somebody into the building and then
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  S4: even better, they're now in Christ. Are people learning how
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  S4: to walk with Jesus?
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S6: Okay. Another curveball for you. You handled that one well.
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  S6: Here's another one for Allie. Allie, when was the first
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  S6: time you witnessed the power of prayer?
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  S7: Oh, boy.
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  S4: The first time I'm trying to remember. I mean, I
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  S4: hate to say it, but I don't remember feeling like
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  S4: prayer was very powerful when I was growing up.
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  S6: Fair?
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  S3: I don't.
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  S6: Me either.
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  S4: It it was something that it felt like you. You did.
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  S4: But I don't think it was until I got older
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  S4: that I actually saw, you know, I remember first starting
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  S4: to go to the prayer meetings at Chicago Tavern.
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  S3: That's where I, that's, I see I, that's where I
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  S3: was at.
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  S4: And, you know, I knew I knew about praying, but
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  S4: I felt like this was something different. A prayer meeting
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  S4: at Chicago Tabernacle must be experienced if you are in
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  S4: the area. But people coming together, crying out to God
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  S4: with the kind of passion and fervor. And then the
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  S4: Friday night intercession ministry, Industry. That's been where I've seen
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  S4: a picture of prayer that has been challenging, hopeful, helpful.
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  S4: I've grown a lot.
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  S6: Some of you maybe have never heard of modern day
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  S6: time when you've seen and experienced the power of prayer
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  S6: I have. And a guy that was a running buddy
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  S6: for years when this was happening is going to join
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  S6: us here in a little bit. We want to give
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  S6: you a picture, a clear picture of the power of
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  S6: God in prayer.
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  S1: She was trying to earn her way to God, but
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  S1: God showed her she didn't have to. Allie is in
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  S1: the crew. It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
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  S6: Coming up, Greg Dempster going to be with us here.
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  S6: This guy is known for renewal. And boy, he's got
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  S6: a powerful hand in discipleship doesn't he.
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  S7: Yes.
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  S4: So we're going to talk about what does it look
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  S4: like to experience renewal in your prayer life and in
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  S4: every other aspect of your life. Greg Dempster coming up.
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  S6: So I was looking around for a worship leader and
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  S6: we needed a worship leader because the only guy I had,
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  S6: he would start the band with one, two, you know
• 18:45
  S6: what to do. And he had a trumpet and then
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  S6: he would start playing a song. No, I'm not joking
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  S6: you guys. Man. One, two. You know what to do, man.
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  S6: And I needed something a little bit different because we
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  S6: had this growing group of single adults and, man, I
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  S6: got on the horn and I'm calling all over the
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  S6: nation and the world. And I found a guy in Portland.
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  S6: He goes, you gotta find this guy. And then I
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  S6: wanted to check it out. And so I found a
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  S6: guy who said, oh, you got to be careful with
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  S6: this guy. But the guy who told me to be
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  S6: careful with this guy I was leery about. So I'm like, oh,
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  S6: this is a good recommendation. See how we got see
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  S6: how we got.
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  S2: Confirmed with the bad advice, right? If he doesn't like him,
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  S2: then I know I love him.
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  S6: So I called this guy up and I didn't know
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  S6: what I was getting. I didn't know what I bargained
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  S6: for here, but I said to him, hey, I understand
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  S6: you're a worship leader. This is what God's doing here.
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  S6: And and I said, you know, man, we're needing you.
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  S6: Do you feel a call here? And he inquired a
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  S6: little bit more and he asked, you know, you know what,
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  S6: what comes with something like this? And I said, I
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  S6: promise you, we will have food for you to eat
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  S6: and shelter. And that's what that was the offer. We're
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  S6: going to have all the food you can eat and
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  S6: we're going to have shelter for you. So we found
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  S6: a place for him to flop, and he showed up
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  S6: and we kept groceries in the reefer and, uh.
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  S7: Refrigerator.
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  S6: Refrigerator. And he showed up. And all joking aside, my
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  S6: life was changed because this is a real dude. This
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  S6: is a real, genuine disciple of Christ. At least that's
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  S6: the way I remember it.
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  S9: Greg Dempster it was pretty close. You should have taken
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  S9: that first guy's advice. Those were sweet times. I mean, really,
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  S9: the way that we. The way that I remember it
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  S9: was desperation. Yeah. And inability colliding with all the provisioning
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  S9: that God promises to bring. We would fast and pray
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  S9: and God would show up. I still remember your wife
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  S9: up in the catwalk of that room that we were in,
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  S9: just with a team of people interceding over every word,
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  S9: every note played, everything that was happening in that room.
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  S9: And that ministry in one year grew 400% in size.
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  S9: Not just people showing up, but people who are hungry
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  S9: to encounter God.
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  S2: Yeah.
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  S4: Greg Dempster is our guest this morning, founder and director
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  S4: of Christ Ministries. Talk a little bit about the role
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  S4: that prayer played in that time in your life. Greg,
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  S4: what did you learn during that season?
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  S9: Well, that we had nothing to bring to the table
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  S9: that was going to turn this ship other than God
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  S9: showing up and and we needed to get out of
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  S9: his way. It was actually Carl's wife, Junan, who made
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  S9: the suggestion that we fast and pray for 40 days.
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  S9: So we went 40 days. No food, prayer, walking that
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  S9: room every afternoon. And God made the change. It wasn't
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  S9: our performance that somehow brought about the results that we experienced.
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  S9: It was God getting us out of the way, showing
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  S9: us that we needed him, showing us in Technicolor. John
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  S9: 15 five that we can do nothing apart from him.
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  S9: And so when we surrendered ourselves, continued to surrender ourselves
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  S9: to him, humble ourselves before him. We got out of
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  S9: the way and God began to use normal, real, imperfect
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  S9: people and display himself as the God that he is.
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  S9: And that's that's really prayer became that language of need
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  S9: in that season.
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  S6: Yeah. It was so real. It was so palpable. Greg,
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  S6: you brought with yourself, uh, an experience in a northwest
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  S6: renewal movement. And you brought four principles of prayer that
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  S6: really guided us in in a powerful way. Uh, give
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  S6: the backstory on that just quickly, but then give those
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  S6: principles because I want our boom crew to get these today.
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  S6: These are these are like, timeless principles.
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  S9: You see, first of all, you're hearing from a guy
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  S9: who is far from having it figured out. And back
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  S9: in that season, I had just encountered Christ. I left
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  S9: a a life of drug use, even though my parents,
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  S9: my dad was a pastor, my mom, church organist, I,
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  S9: I just was looking for life and, and just completely
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  S9: made a wreck of my life and encountered Christ while
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  S9: high on drugs, uh, surrendered my life to him. And
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  S9: that began a massive upheaval in a positive way in
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  S9: my life that led to a sense of of calling
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  S9: a desire to be used by God And led me
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  S9: to Multnomah Bible College back in the day. Joe Aldridge
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  S9: was the the president. Terry Dirks was a partner of
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  S9: his in a vision, a dream. And that dream started
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  S9: off with this sense of just being tired of conferencing.
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  S9: Pastors are constantly getting invited to go to conferences, and
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  S9: Joe and Terry early on said, what would happen if
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  S9: instead of a conference, we invited northwest pastors to a
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  S9: three day event where we do, we have no agenda,
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  S9: and we do nothing other than seek the face of God.
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  S9: And that began an explosive movement of new life in
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  S9: the churches in the Pacific Northwest. Ultimately, it grew into
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  S9: international renewal, where they were doing these three day agenda
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  S9: less seasons of pursuing God all over the world and Taiwan, China, Germany,
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  S9: all over the the nations, all over the globe. God
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  S9: was stirring renewal. And it was in that season that
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  S9: that Terry Dirksen, I think he just thought, this kid
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  S9: needs massive help. I'm going to take him under my
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  S9: wing and disciple him for a season. And we would pray,
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  S9: walk Multnomah and seek God's face in the midst of
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  S9: this massive movement globally. And that started the whole collegiate
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  S9: division of Northwest Renewal, international Renewal, where we brought college students.
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  S9: A friend of mine, Mike Pellicelli, and I would bring
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  S9: college students together for three days of seeking the face
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  S9: of God, and it just changed all of our lives.
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  S4: You know, Greg, what you mentioned, what you're talking about
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  S4: is both exciting and maybe a little daunting. Why is
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  S4: it that we so struggle with pursuing God without programming?
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  S4: I mean, we we love our, our our flow of
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  S4: of service and the the almost. I hate to say it,
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  S4: but we do kind of like the predictability of knowing
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  S4: what's going to happen. But we know that with God
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  S4: we can't. Why do we struggle with that tension?
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  S9: I think it's a human struggle. I think that Romans
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  S9: eight lays it out. Paul suggests that we have either
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  S9: phronema an orientation towards the flesh, or towards self-effort or
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  S9: towards God in the spirit. And I think that in
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  S9: our flesh we like to keep things under control. We
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  S9: like to make sure that that we're performing to the
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  S9: highest possibility so that we can gain or yield the
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  S9: largest amounts of value. It's just all a self-effort thing.
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  S9: And then I think also for some, they've had experiences
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  S9: in the past where they're just like flipped out by
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  S9: by what was happening in the prayer house.
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  S6: A little whacky. Yeah.
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  S9: Right. Or else it was just absolutely dead. And they're thinking,
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  S9: oh my gosh, what am I going to do? Yeah.
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  S9: So they they want control. And yet at the same
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  S9: time exerting themselves into the equation is something that's directly
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  S9: interfering with God doing what he wants to do in
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  S9: them and through them.
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  S6: You know, Greg, the four principles that you brought to
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  S6: us in little Rock from the Northwest Renewal movement were protection, direction. God,
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  S6: manifest your presence here. And it's all based in truth.
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  S6: I'll never forget those four. Greg. It's those were transformative.
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  S6: Speak to those for a moment.
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  S9: You know, Terry and Joe in the early days had
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  S9: a tiger by the tail. They had all these senior
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  S9: pastors showing up in one location. And all these guys
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  S9: want to do is preach, improve themselves. Not all of them,
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  S9: but a lot of them. And so in the early days,
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  S9: just to provide a sense of direction, they would start
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  S9: each one of these three hour rhythms of prayer. And
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  S9: that's what they were. You'd wake up in the morning,
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  S9: have breakfast, three hours of prayer, you'd do some lunch,
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  S9: connect three hours of prayer, a break and then dinner,
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  S9: and then another three hour segment of prayer. But they
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  S9: would get these guys together. There was a facilitating team
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  S9: and they would say, today we're going to start off
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  S9: this session in the same way that we started off
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  S9: the last asking for God's protection, because what we're doing
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  S9: here is, is directly, in many different ways, opposing the
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  S9: kingdom of darkness, which is all about empowering self. So
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  S9: we're asking for God's protection in believing that there's real
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  S9: protection that can be found in the name of Jesus.
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  S9: We're also, number two, asking for the Spirit of God
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  S9: to be unleashed on us so that he directs our
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  S9: steps so that we're filled with the sense of the
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  S9: direction that God wants to bring this time together. And
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  S9: they also would encourage pastors just to listen. I mean,
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  S9: if somebody overhears praying for renewal of the Church of Portland,
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  S9: maybe we should stay with that until God directs us
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  S9: to go in a different direction. So protection, direction, asking
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  S9: God to fill that time with his presence. Well, when
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  S9: God's presence manifests itself, when God chooses to reveal what's
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  S9: already true, Psalm 139 says, there's nowhere we can flee
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  S9: from his presence. When God chooses, by the power of
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  S9: His Holy Spirit, to unveil our eyes so that we
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  S9: can see him and experience him. It's just like, better
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  S9: put on the seatbelt because things begin to happen dynamically.
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  S9: And and then finally, the last one is to just
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  S9: be filled with truth that God wants to place guardrails
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  S9: on our time, that that the things that are prayed
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  S9: need to be just based on biblical truth, that that
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  S9: the truth really paves the way for us to more
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  S9: quickly move towards God and His purposes in that prayer
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  S9: gathering that you're a part of. And so, yeah, those
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  S9: four things were a baseline for for what we did
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  S9: with international renewal.
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  S6: Yeah. Protection, direction, manifest presence of God's Spirit and truth.
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  S6: Just repeating those again for you. Boom. Crew. And, uh,
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  S6: I want you to know something. Boom. Crew. Greg and
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  S6: I have done a lot of ministry together over the
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  S6: years in little Rock and in Alaska, and now in
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  S6: Chicago and Greg's in Michigan, and it's been awesome to witness.
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  S6: But I want you to know, just in a word,
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  S6: I've had two tastes of of what I call many
• 29:44
  S6: localized awakenings. And they were all due to prayer. And
• 29:50
  S6: I love of what we've been touching on here lately.
• 29:55
  S6: George Mueller is the one who said prayer is about
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  S6: taking hold of the willingness of God. I think oftentimes
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  S6: we head into prayer going, boy, is he reluctant or
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  S6: is he going to move? And I want you to
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  S6: know that Mueller was right. We can take hold of
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  S6: God's willingness in prayer, protection, direction, manifest presence, and truth.
• 30:19
  S6: Consider that for your prayer huddle this week, you two pastors, well,
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  S6: we want to put you on to Greg. Man, this
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  S6: guy's got resources galore that work from the inside out,
• 30:29
  S6: don't they, Ali.
• 30:30
  S4: Yes, yes, you can text life to 800 555 7898.
• 30:36
  S4: Text life to 800 555 7898. Check out those resources
• 30:42
  S4: we've mentioned before, the journey workbook, working through some of
• 30:46
  S4: those family of origin issues. This is going to be
• 30:49
  S4: a great little resource pod for you. There's a lot there.
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  S4: Just text life to 800 555 7898.
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  S1: He was sharing the gospel on the radio and then
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  S1: he got saved. Young thunders in the crew. It's Carl
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  S1: and crew on Moody Radio.
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  S6: What do you see? What do you see? I probably, uh,
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  S6: probably was. Oh, goodness sakes, 30, 40 years ago. Uh.
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  S6: Let's see, it was longer than that. I was in
• 31:21
  S6: a gen ed course at Mount Hood Community College outside
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  S6: of Portland, Oregon. And, um, it was interesting, you know,
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  S6: it was the old black dot on the white page experiment,
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  S6: you know, what do you see? And it's the old
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  S6: kind of truth that we sometimes focus on, something that
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  S6: stands out in our mind's eye. And yet, if you
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  S6: look at an eight and a half by 11 page
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  S6: with a big old black smudge on the center of it,
• 31:57
  S6: what do you see? You can see the black smudge,
• 32:00
  S6: or you can see the unpopulated areas of that page
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  S6: that have nothing on it.
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  S2: You're right.
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  S6: It's an interesting little exercise.
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  S2: I do enjoy that exercise. I think it's fun. You
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  S2: can everyone because everyone sees something different on those little
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  S2: inkblot tests too.
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  S6: Yeah, yeah. It's fascinating. And if we look at our
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  S6: culture today and I asked the question, what do you see?
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  S6: That's fascinating question, isn't it?
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  S2: It is a fascinating question because I'm sure you ask
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  S2: five different people what they see. And you very well
• 32:39
  S2: could get five different answers.
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  S7: It's a loaded question for sure.
• 32:42
  S6: Yeah, it's a loaded question. So I want to just
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  S6: experiment with this a little bit and ask you via text,
• 32:52
  S6: no call ins here. I want to ask you, what
• 32:56
  S6: do you see when you look at our world today,
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  S6: our culture today if you're in America, Canada or beyond.
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  S6: What do you see? And and I'm just leaving it
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  S6: right there. What do you see? Not giving you any
• 33:13
  S6: more definition than that. What do you see? In the
• 33:21
  S6: perspective that we're going to gain here. And there's no
• 33:24
  S6: hidden secret that we're holding something back. But it's amazing
• 33:30
  S6: what Jesus saw when he looked at culture. It's amazing
• 33:35
  S6: what Jesus saw, but I don't want to go there yet.
• 33:40
  S6: A lot of you know where we're going, but what
• 33:42
  S6: do you see when you look at culture? Okay. What
• 33:47
  S6: do you see when you look at culture? And I
• 33:50
  S6: want you to be honest with yourself because that's important.
• 33:57
  S6: What captures your mind when you look at some of
• 34:00
  S6: the culture wars? What do you see? What do you see?
• 34:04
  S6: And I'm asking for honest, open response. What do you see?
• 34:09
  S6: What gets you rankled? What gets you upset? What gets
• 34:13
  S6: you hand wringing? That's what you're seeing. The stuff that
• 34:18
  S6: captures your mind gets you grinding on certain issues. 800
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  S6: 555 7898. And it's good to be honest about this
• 34:28
  S6: with ourselves, because we can only have a kind of
• 34:34
  S6: a course correction of visibility correction when we see below
• 34:40
  S6: the surface or beyond the inkblot, as it were. So
• 34:45
  S6: I'm asking you, what do you see? 800 555 7898.
• 34:51
  S6: Just text us right now. What do you see? Hate. Division. Fear. Confusion.
• 34:58
  S6: More evil than ever. This is good. Getting good responses here.
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  S6: 800 555 7898. Get honest, get visceral. I'm not going
• 35:08
  S6: to call out your number. Not going to call out
• 35:10
  S6: your name. Don't have your name 800 555 7898. Confusion
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  S6: over identity. That's good. Value and purpose. I see division
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  S6: of good and evil becoming clearer and clearer. I'm just
• 35:29
  S6: reading them as they're coming in. Chaos. Ungodliness. Division 800
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  S6: 555 7898. Get your feedback here. Desperation for truth, someone says,
• 35:44
  S6: looking at our world today, I see little bratty, rebellious children. Okay,
• 35:52
  S6: we're getting some honesty now.
• 35:53
  S2: Getting some good, to be honest.
• 35:57
  S6: Wow, we're getting a ton of feedback here. Hurting people
• 36:01
  S6: in a grand demonic plot. Governments and people with a
• 36:05
  S6: lot of money trying to scare people and keep them
• 36:08
  S6: in victimhood.
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  S7: Yeah.
• 36:10
  S6: Spiritual warfare. Just getting it here. Indoctrination. Lawlessness. They're pouring
• 36:15
  S6: in now. Anger, pain. The Bible be proving to be
• 36:20
  S6: true yet again. People pursuing their own sinful desires. Finding
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  S6: teachers who tickle their ears, selfish leadership, fragmented families, spiritual warfare.
• 36:37
  S6: Women acting like men, just getting first blush. This is
• 36:41
  S6: what we see. Orchestrated chaos. Confusion. So they continue to
• 36:47
  S6: violate children. Create more disturbed humans. Be as brief as
• 36:54
  S6: you can here 800 555. 78. 98. What do you see?
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  S6: Abandonment of God. Disarray. Belief in lies. Deception. Manipulation by
• 37:08
  S6: dark powers. A sex saturated society. Selfish governmental leadership. Accelerated destruction. Deception.
• 37:22
  S6: Good feedback.
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  S2: I like this one. I see people running harder and
• 37:26
  S2: faster with no direction.
• 37:28
  S6: Well, that's a good insight.
• 37:29
  S2: A really good insight.
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  S6: A nation divided.
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  S7: Yeah.
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  S6: Chemical rain. I'm not sure where that's coming from, but I.
• 37:40
  S6: That's what you see. Crime, War. False prophets on the horizon.
• 37:47
  S6: Government above. God. Narcissism and pride. Propaganda. I see need
• 37:54
  S6: for the church to go to the highways and byways.
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  S6: All right.
• 37:58
  S7: Yeah.
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  S6: A world without Jesus. Indoctrination of children to rebel against parents.
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  S6: Getting a lot of feedback here. There's a lot of
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  S6: truth in a lot of these observations of what people see.
• 38:18
  S6: There's a lot of truth in there. Agreed. Guys.
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  S2: More than agreed. Yeah. There's a lot of truth in
• 38:26
  S2: in so many of these, because the world is hurt
• 38:29
  S2: and broken. And that shows itself in a lot of
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  S2: these ways. Yeah.
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  S6: Coming up here in a moment, I'm going to go
• 38:38
  S6: to the word and we're going to see what Jesus saw. Now,
• 38:42
  S6: did he see everything? Yeah. He did. But what were
• 38:49
  S6: the deeper things that Jesus saw? That's what we're going
• 38:54
  S6: to look at here this morning. This is Tyrion.
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  S1: Walking closer to Jesus every day. You're listening to Carl
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  S1: and crew.
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  S6: It's Carl and crew asking you a question in this
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  S6: little segment here. What do you see when you look
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  S6: at our culture? It's kind of like the inkblot kind
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  S6: of test that I did many, many years ago. It's
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  S6: obvious that the exercise is to help us see more broadly.
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  S6: It's easy to see the blot of ink. Right, guys?
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  S6: Come on.
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  S2: Oh goodness. Right there. It's it's there in front of.
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  S7: Us.
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  S2: Every single day.
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  S6: The amount of responses we're getting here about what people see,
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  S6: it tells me that the boom crew is smart. We
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  S6: got our eyes open, man. And I think there's a
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  S6: lot of people that would contend that Christians need to
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  S6: almost be blinded to what's going on in our world.
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  S6: Jesus wasn't blinded to what's going on in the world
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  S6: 2000 years ago. I mean, he lived in a very
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  S6: constrictive culture. I mean, ultimately not only the religious leaders
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  S6: of the day, but the government, the Roman government. I mean,
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  S6: it was heavy duty. You think of freedom of speech
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  S6: issues and those kind of things. I mean, those were
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  S6: out the window. A lot of things that we take
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  S6: for granted here in our nation, as sideways as we
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  S6: might be morally. Wow. There wasn't even a concept of
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  S6: some of the liberties that we have today. Back 2000
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  S6: years ago.
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  S2: That's really interesting context. I don't think that we often
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  S2: realize that they were kind of living in a dictator state,
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  S2: you know, like it was it's pretty heavy. Yeah, they
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  S2: got to run some things, but only as far as
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  S2: the Roman government would let them go. And the Roman
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  S2: government was still in charge. And they made sure everyone
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  S2: knew that.
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  S6: Yeah. And I mean, the tribe that Jesus was born
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  S6: into was rejecting his messiahship?
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  S7: Yes.
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  S6: So he didn't even have a good tribe?
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  S2: No.
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  S6: And even the 12 disciples. Whoa! They bailed on him
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  S6: last minute there.
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  S2: Yeah. Not perfect followers by any stretch of the imagination.
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  S6: I'm not proposing that we have to go it alone.
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  S6: I'm just proposing that we have an opportunity to see
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  S6: something much different. It comes from Matthew nine. And, I mean,
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  S6: some of you might have guessed where I was going
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  S6: here this morning, but it it's important for us to
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  S6: rehearse this, especially days like this in our world, geopolitically, locally, regionally, nationally,
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  S6: in the West in general. Well, we can look at
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  S6: things that are going on and really get discouraged, couldn't we?
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  S2: Oh my goodness certainly. Certainly we can because it's hard.
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  S2: We're waiting for Jesus to come back. But we are waiting.
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  S2: And and as people who are redeemed, being made new
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  S2: each and every day. It's hard to see the things
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  S2: that held us captive. Not all that long ago. In
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  S2: front of our faces. Every day.
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  S6: Every day. So what did Jesus see? Reading from Matthew nine,
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  S6: verse 35 and following. And Jesus went throughout all the
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  S6: cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues and proclaiming the
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  S6: good news, gospel of the kingdom, and healing every disease
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  S6: and every affliction. Verse 36 when he saw the crowds,
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  S6: he had compassion for them. Still doesn't answer. What did
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  S6: he really see? But now we get into it because
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  S6: they were harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd.
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  S6: Then he said to his disciples, the harvest is plentiful,
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  S6: but the laborers are few. Therefore pray earnestly to the
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  S6: Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into his harvest.
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  S6: What did Jesus see, guys? What did Jesus see?
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  S2: He saw people who were harassed and helpless. Like sheep
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  S2: without a shepherd.
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  S6: Yeah. What's that mean?
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  S2: Well, take a look at like David from from first Samuel.
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  S2: When when he. It describes David. When he introduces David.
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  S2: David is a shepherd. He's taking care of the sheep.
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  S2: And what did he do? He fought off bears and
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  S2: lions in order to protect and guide the sheep. The
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  S2: sheep are now this culture. They have no one to
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  S2: protect them, no one to give them direction. And there
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  S2: are enemies out there mauling them spiritually because they have
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  S2: no shepherd to protect and guide them.
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  S6: Yeah, that's a great that's right on. And the tendency
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  S6: that we have in the Natural man is to look
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  S6: at the bears and the wolves, the negative. Yeah. And
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  S6: to kind of focus on that. And we can lose
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  S6: the forest for the trees here. And our Savior Jesus
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  S6: Christ looked at them and said, man, we got people
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  S6: that are harassed and helpless like sheep without a shepherd.
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  S6: Then he said to his disciples, the harvest is plentiful,
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  S6: but the laborers are few. Therefore pray earnestly to the
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  S6: Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into his harvest.
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  S6: What an amazing thing. A few assumptions here. One is,
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  S6: there's a whole lot of people that are ready to
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  S6: be saved from the madness of this world. A whole
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  S6: lot of people. And we've got a willing God, and
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  S6: we can lay hold of his willingness. Going back two
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  S6: days ago to George Mueller's prayer. We can lay hold
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  S6: of God's willingness to pray that the Lord of the
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  S6: harvest would raise up laborers to go into the harvest field.
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  S6: So I want you to call in with your stories
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  S6: of a perspective shift that you've gone from looking at
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  S6: this to looking at the real issue. God, by his grace,
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  S6: it's not you championing yourself, but God by his grace,
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  S6: has allowed you to open your eyes and see people
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  S6: that are harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd.
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  S6: Now here's what I want to tell you. You sleep
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  S6: better at night, don't you? Yep. You sleep better at night.
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  S6: Because it's one thing to look at the bears and
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  S6: the wolves. It's another thing to say, let's go reach
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  S6: people and protect them from bears and wolves, whatever they
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  S6: may be. That's a big deal, man. That's a big deal.
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  S6: And do we fight to keep that perspective? Let's put
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  S6: our hands in the air. Those of us that fight
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  S6: to keep that. Okay. All our hands are in the air.
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  S7: Yep yep yep yep.
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  S6: So what has God done by his grace and power
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  S6: to give you that perspective Shift. These are humble responses.
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  S6: you've begun to see the world through the eyes of Jesus.
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  S6: You see below the surface. How did God do that?
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  S6: What's he doing in your heart? He's breaking your heart
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  S6: about the things that captures God's heart. God's been doing
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  S6: that work. I'm asking you to call in with that
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  S6: humble submission of what God has done in you and
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  S6: what he's doing in you. 800 555 7898 light up
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  S1: She's a choreographer extraordinaire and everything is Greek to her.
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  S1: Super di is in the crew. It's Carl and crew
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  S1: on Moody Radio.
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  S6: Yeah, it's not that you'd not see what's going on
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  S6: in our world today, or stick your head in the sand,
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  S6: or even have opinions about what's going on. The objective
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  S6: here is to look a little bit deeper. The eyes
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  S6: of Jesus are profoundly transcendent. What he saw was you'd
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  S6: want to sleep better at night. Oh, baby, get the
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  S6: eyes of our savior, Jesus.
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  S2: Yeah, you you have to. Because when we. When we
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  S2: see the world for what it really is, we can
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  S2: approach the world how we really need to.
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  S6: Yeah, that's a good statement, big dog.
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  S2: Yeah. Because when we're when we're just looking at it angry,
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  S2: of course we're not going to walk into that harvest
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  S2: field ready to reach people for Christ.
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  S6: Or just sad.
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  S2: Or just sad.
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  S6: And never have another emotion of possibility.
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  S2: No. Because, Jesus, we're we're talking from Matthew nine today.
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  S2: Jesus says two different things about the culture, he says one,
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  S2: that the harassed and helpless like sheep without a shepherd.
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  S2: He had compassion on them for that. But then he
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  S2: also says to the disciples, the harvest is plentiful. That's
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  S2: what he's saying about the culture as well. There are
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  S2: so many people here who are harassed and helpless and ready.
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  S2: So let's go get him.
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  S6: Yeah. And and people that believe things. We had Abdu
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  S6: Murray on here. Was that yesterday, Abdu? Two days ago.
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  S7: Two days ago.
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  S6: Two days ago. Abdu Murray. By the way, if you
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  S6: didn't get that interview with Abdu Murray. Oh my goodness.
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  S2: Excellent interview.
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  S6: Yes, a and sexual identity. Uh, it was phenomenal. So
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  S6: get the show cast. There you go. Mid mid. Show
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  S6: show cast. Promo. Hear text show to our number and
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  S6: go back two days and listen to it. Text show
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  S6: to 800 555 7898. Showed 800 555 7898. But here's
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  S6: here's the reality. We have real issues going on in
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  S6: this world today. They've always been here. There's divide and
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  S6: anger and as an undercurrent. But we've got to remember
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  S6: that some people have been shepherded by false prophets using
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  S6: Jesus's metaphor here by prophets of the day, who are
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  S6: entrapping them in mindsets that are leading to. As I
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  S6: was talking with Abdu Murray about this, we were talking
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  S6: with him things that used to appear common sense. It's
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  S6: just a manifestation of rebellion against God. But for some
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  S6: people that's all they have. They haven't had a fair
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  S6: shot at the gospel. So were some of the harassed
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  S6: and helpless on a crazy train that would ultimately crucify
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  S6: the Savior of the world? Absolutely. But Jesus's His perspective
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  S6: was man, they are harassed and helpless, like sheep without
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  S6: a shepherd. And he said, the harvest is plentiful. The
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  S6: laborers are few. Therefore pray earnestly to the Lord of
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  S6: the harvest to send out laborers into his harvest. And
• 49:46
  S6: the harvest field was not easy. It was dicey. It
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  S6: was going to get into all kinds of a firestorm
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  S6: of leaders that had their clutches on people. Carlos, first
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  S6: time caller in Miami, Florida. Good to have you with us, Carlos.
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  S6: When did you begin to get the eyes of Jesus
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  S6: for the world around us, man?
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  S10: I would like to say, um, I would like to
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  S10: say around April of 2021, I was living a very
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  S10: dark life, and I ended up in, in prison back
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  S10: in January of 2021. And God used that time To
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  S10: mold my heart and my mind and my spirit, so
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  S10: I could change my perspective of how I used to
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  S10: view the world. Because I used to view it from
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  S10: a very dark perspective. And over a period of 15 months,
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  S10: my life changed and I got out. Yeah. After that,
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  S10: the way I view the world has been very, very different.
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  S10: I view the world now from a very, very godly perspective.
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  S6: Yeah. And you know what? That's born out of Carlos
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  S6: and boom. Brother, thank you for calling in. First time
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  S6: caller Miami, Florida. There is something about seeing ourselves as
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  S6: we are, and the need for grace that will cause
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  S6: us to see the world as it is, through the
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  S6: eyes of Jesus with the perspective of We've got a
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  S6: bunch of poorly shepherded people out here, man.
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  S2: Mhm. You know what came to my mind as Carlos
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  S2: was talking. You know the the phrase like don't forget
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  S2: where you came from. Like you're, you know, and people
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  S2: are talking about hometown and all that kind of stuff.
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  S2: Your roots. But, but we can't forget where we came from.
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  S2: We were also once enemies of God living dark lives,
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  S2: rebellious to him. Yeah. We were once also sheep without
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  S2: a shepherd, harassed and helpless and and thankfully we've been
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  S2: saved from that. But sometimes we forget where we came from.
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  S6: So picking true.
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  S2: And we look at people like we've never been there before,
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  S2: so we don't have mercy or compassion for them. We
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  S2: have to because we were there once, too.
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  S6: And this doesn't mean that your mind and even your
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  S6: conversation at time goes to can you believe what's going on?
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  S6: Can you see that? Can you?
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  S2: Of course, we have those conversations all the time.
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  S7: Of course.
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  S6: Humble but out of humility and out of brokenness that
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  S6: Carlos featured here today. And. The call of God to
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  S6: humility is even a cry of of compassion and mercy.
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  S6: But boy, it can change everything. So let's lift up
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  S6: our eyes and ask God to give us his eyes.
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  S6: And let's pray for harvesters to get into the field.
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  S6: What some of us see as a hopeless battlefield of
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  S6: spiritual conflict. Jesus says, no man, we got harvest time here.
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  S6: We got harvest time here. Amen. If we can get
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  S6: that perspective shift. Katy, bar the door.
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  S1: Start your day moving closer to Jesus. You're listening to
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  S1: Carl and crew.
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  S6: All right, big deal here, man. This is kind of cool.
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  S6: You asked for it. You got it. Toyota. You guys
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  S6: remember that one?
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  S7: I do.
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  S2: I remember you telling me about it.
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  S6: You asked for it. You got it.
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  S7: Toyota. Wow.
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  S6: Yeah. Uh, it's. We'll get in the same key next
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  S6: time around.
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  S7: Maybe.
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  S2: Maybe. No guarantees.
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  S6: It's. It's pretty cool. Uh, we did have some folks saying. Oh, man,
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  S6: I didn't get in, uh, for prayer. Um, but we're
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  S6: so grateful that you've knocked on the door. And here's
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  S6: what we're doing. I mean, here's practical things. So we
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  S6: have this third party, cool little sign up sheet for
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  S6: prayer warriors, those that are going to jump in and
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  S6: pray during share for half an hour slot. And we
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  S6: filled it in two days and change, which is unheard
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  S6: of for us here, which is a great indicator that
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  S6: we're on the right path.
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  S2: Yeah, fantastic.
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  S6: Really good. Uh, but there were some that said like, man,
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  S6: I don't listen every day. And now I missed it.
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  S6: So we have the ability to open up the threshold
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  S6: of how many more people. We don't want to get
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  S6: crazy here because we've got to manage emails and all
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  S6: kinds of communications, but we've opened up more slots in
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  S6: grateful for all of you genuinely. So just text the
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  S6: word crew and grab a half an hour slot. There
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  S6: but there's tons of tons of slots.
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  S6: that works for you. And without giving too much data
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  S6: of prayer prompts and you're going to get inside, scoop
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  S6: on what our prayer focus is, and even a red
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  S6: Text the word crew to 800 555 7898 805 five, five, 7898. And, uh,
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