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Bear & Balanced: Saturday Camp Report & Ben Johnson Vibes · 2nd City Gridiron

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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to Bear and Balance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm Jeff Berkett's other side of the screen, Lester A, Wilkfong, Jr. Lester.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Got a little Sunday.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Got a little week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was hot out there at House Hall today, but, uh, yeah, it was fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is, uh, we got shot out this year for tickets.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then we finally had one kind of luck then to us, and you, you had it originally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can make it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't make it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then like last minute, my plans change.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm freed up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, let's go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I live so close for it's not a big deal for me, so I was literally out of their home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like 11 and so.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it, you know, camps a great time if you can go and if you can get tickets, they've been it's been harder to get tickets lately.
0:49
[SPEAKER_02]: We've been shut out a couple of years on a row this year, you know, I just tried for this weekend.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This was the weekend that I tried for I got shut out.
0:57
[SPEAKER_02]: We had a friend that had one extra ticket gave it to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was ready to go, but I was still trying to get that Sunday ticket tomorrow's, you know, another practice house all, you know, trying to make it a weekend.
1:06
[SPEAKER_02]: It's it to drive for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, a hotel stay and I just want to make it more than just
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[SPEAKER_02]: five hour drive to go to one practice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I've done a lot of these.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's nice if you can kind of set up shop.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't find a Sunday ticket.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No one could.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No one was giving him get them away.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I definitely not in our network.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then somebody said, hey, I've got to take it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, maybe there was a scam.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I was like, oh, OK, great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I was trying to like see where it would go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then eventually the guy's like, so 50 bucks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, these are free and I don't even know if you have them, like, you know, looking through the account.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like you're clearly not even a bear's family.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just saw tickets that you think could flip.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, not cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you're one of those people, in my opinion, there should be something that's, you know, is free, but I'm, you know, there's other people that would argue like well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you want it, I have it, and possessions nine tenths and all that kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, for those of you that do get a chance to go, get a chance to take, you know, your kids, your best friend, your aunt, your uncle, like whatever, like, it's a good time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't been now in a couple of years, but for a while there, we were going pretty consistently.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We were able to get a lot of tickets.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I could stack them for a number of days, hang out in Chicago for a few days and just like chill in the hotel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, one of these days will get back to being able to do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But
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[SPEAKER_02]: For now, we are just basically begging for scraps, and I decided I didn't want to do that for one day, and I gave it to you last minute.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, hey, I can go now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that was very exciting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we got you the ticket.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I just like, you know, we'll get into a bunch of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll start there.
2:41
[SPEAKER_02]: But like, can you just run through real quick for people that haven't been to camp?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What the setup is?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, it's great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Today was women and girls in sports.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a theme day, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They've had kids day before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have all these themes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it was nice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And actually Brian Orange chuck our colleague.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was there with his wife and two daughters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they had a great time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As you walk in to have vendors lined up, they have a DJ bump in the music.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a party atmosphere walking in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of different things to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You could take a lot of photo opportunities.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I passed George MacCaskis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like every time I go to camp, I see George MacCaskis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's just like, I'm sure that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's the mayor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's the mayor of of of of Halsala's.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Staley was there walking around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There were autographs afterwards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know they did a big autograph session for a bunch of, uh,
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[SPEAKER_01]: of guests for the theme, but then they also were some players that kind of came by and did some autographs afterwards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But now it's a good time, like I said, and Brian Arnchick had to had to great thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Today he drove in from North Carolina, so that's a long-ass drive, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He came in last night, but, you know, with theirs, can't, if it has bad weather,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It can't so you're us so well, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's this kind of thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I tell everyone, have a backup plan, just in case.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's not your only thing coming in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they actually came in for the camp, but they're also going to a sky game tonight to see the fever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Caitlyn Clark's going to get a chance to watch that with him and his daughter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a fun day for them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I also met up with Jonathan Wood, another one of our colleagues he was there today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I haven't met these guys in a real life, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I've known him online for,
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[SPEAKER_01]: for years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just like, it's like just old friends catching up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We know we never met.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of just fun to kind of see people there that you, uh, that you know through the online.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it is very surprising when you realize that like, hey, I've been talking to you for 10 years, and we have not actually seen other in person.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's nice nice to find the meeting person.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, good stuff there and very cool for Brian to be able to bring his daughters on the female and sports they had a great time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like the daughters were into it, Brian's like talking to the daughters about like what's going on in the field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the one daughter mentioned him, you know, Cali Gordon's heard again, what's going on?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, they're into it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's cool to see that happen with a family.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, good stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, in this show, of course, we started in the trenches.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're going to start here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm really excited to start here, Lester, because, uh,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, can we get some Jordan Vandenberg talk here because he seems like he might be a little bit of an early riser here with with camp and heading into the preseason here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm super excited to see him play.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What'd you see out of the big guy?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when he was drafted to some buzz, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cause of the athletic trait, he was in a freak list, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was a big deal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Six round picks, you're like, okay, that's nice, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then we heard some early buzz in camp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm okay, let's see what it is.
5:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm telling you, Davey, he stands out in drills.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like when you're watching the D-line drills are doing their stuff,
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[SPEAKER_01]: His rep looks different, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's like a physicality.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He explodes out of his stance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to tell if he's on time right because a lot of times the balls over there, I don't know if he's, so that's one of his knocks was he's got to have a better get off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But when he does get off, he moves quickly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: His hands are active.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's physical around the edge when he's trying to do stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a good bull rush.
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[SPEAKER_01]: all that physicality, all that freaky athleticism, you see it, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not surprised that he has been getting reps early on in camp at the ones and happening in today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was getting reps with the ones today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is a guy that, look, you don't want to get too hyped over a six-shot of thick, but everything we've heard to this point, everything I saw to him, my own eyes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This guy looks pretty good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the worst case scenario.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's your DT for worst case scenario as a rookie, but in the NFL, your DT for he still plays a fair amount of national rotation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I got to feel we're going to see him quite a bit this season for the bears.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, you know, as Scott reported in a college was great athlete in consistent play.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he would not be the first defensive lineman to come in with inconsistent play on his tape and be able to figure out and put it together in the pros.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's what you're hoping on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you're betting on the trades and all that kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, you look at his
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so if you don't want to put those kinds of expectations on this on this guy, but that's the level that you're that's why you're investing in this in this person, and that's why you're like, okay, let's see what he looks like against Joe Toney, let's see what he looks like against our number one offense, and then let's see what we got here, because if you are going to put him in a game, you're going to be he's going to be playing in the regular season against like good professional athletes, and if he just gets swallowed up, well, okay, he's got he's got some time to season here, but
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you can step in right away and make a difference, there is a pathway to snaps on this football team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, especially with the, like, the, the line is, is besides the injuries that dealing with right now, the decline was was a question weren't going in, you know, everyone talked about Ed Joe like I'd who's in the rest of the past or who's in a plate defensive end.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, defensive, or the, the tack on the inside.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there are many issues there as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, you got your three guys that seem pretty sad, but, you know, I mean, are you really expecting Neville Gallamore to take a huge jump from what he was in Indy, Grittige Erits, in the 30s now, Dexter, nice football player, but to see a really guy that you really counting on to make an impact.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you need to have someone there that you really can trust and make a push.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like again, I'm not saying he's gonna be the guy, but he really looks like he's got something there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It reminds me of the chat we're in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Remember, currently, it's Washington, a few years ago at the Bears coming out of college.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Six round pick I think he was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He had similar traits to County, who was the top overall draft pick that year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Physical athletic, why is he falling?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you said it's the consistency.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's the technique, he's a little raw.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's how the hell van number was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: maybe he'll have a little better career than corn washed it.
9:01
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, it's sometimes it's just focused sometimes it's getting with the right coaches and sometimes it's stringing together that mental, you know, clarity of and having it snap together.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes that does you fall into place for players and sometimes it doesn't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll see and again, wouldn't be the first time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: a defensive, particularly defensive linemen seem to have inconsistent tape in college and they can kind of put it together in the pro.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's, you know, there's plenty of models for that out there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to let's get more on the D line.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to flip it around and talk a little online here because the proximal line, yeah.
9:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, yeah, I'll come in and I think, you know, to camp, we maybe anticipated some interesting stuff going on at left tackle, that has continued what happened today at camp where who's taken the reps and what's going on in your assessment of that left tackle position.
9:52
[SPEAKER_01]: At Brax Jones has been the guy all off season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know there's a lot of fans that don't want to hear it, but he's been clearly the top guy getting most of the reps that rotate and guys in and out of there obviously, but.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And on Thursday, he goes out with an injury and then you know, the reports are that it's not as serious as it initially looks Brax Jones was pretty pissed off when it happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess what happened was he got hurt in a drill.
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[SPEAKER_01]: pretty pissed off through his helmet came back in the drill, tried it again and he still whatever was hurting him was still hurting him, so he was even more pissed off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, but I guess they've checked it out and it does not look to be that serious, but with, with Braxon Jones outs on Thursday was Krona Magazzi running with the ones.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty much today all day was Jedrick Will's junior running with the ones that left tackle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a guy that you rotated a little bit in there, but for the most part all day today was Jedrick Will's left tackle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The rest of your old line was, you know, business as usual.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, but Will's, you know, former first shot on draft pick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, there's some sound there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to tell again in this setting because yeah, they're going live on occasion, but still, you gotta see how he puts it all together.
11:03
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, where's he got mentally?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what the coach just talked a lot about with him because coming out, you know, he had some issues with the quit Cleveland, you know, there was the injury.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He set out all of last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, some Cleveland thought he was fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He should have played.
11:18
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, no, I'm taking you off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't get myself ready.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, maybe that's physically and mentally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So obviously, you're ready to play football.
11:26
[SPEAKER_01]: The bears, you know, took a flyer on him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if he even lives up to some of that for a strong talent, and he's forcing action this year, what a great insurance policy that was by Ryan Polls going on in the getting this guy because like I said, I'm a
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[SPEAKER_01]: still see submission with his feet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he just doesn't seem like, you know, I'm sure he's going to be your left tackle the future, but, but if wheels can kind of step in and hold things down while Braxton gets better, I think that's a good move by the bears.
11:55
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I think it's interesting when you have a bit of a reclamation project and then you have, you know, football people are interesting because if you like, hey, I'm making the decision that I'm stepping away from the game for a year because I need it to like clear my mind and make sure my body feels completely right and I'm not going to try to push through this and those Cleveland coaches, I guarantee you were like, FU then buddy like your dead us and
12:20
[SPEAKER_02]: And those guys talk and they, you know, you know, he doesn't love football, he's, you know, whatever, and that kind of follows you around.
12:27
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why he was signing a pretty low deal to try to re establish himself and rebuild his reputation in his name.
12:34
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's why it's such a bargain.
12:36
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't even know if it would count against the top.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, whatever the put the salary cap pretty sure he's a minimum guy.
12:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's what you got.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if anything I touch over, but yeah, not a lot of money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But like I said, he's he's getting the run once today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They'll keep rotating it.
12:53
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, obviously, we'll see what happens tomorrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I just think there's more upside there with him than with with Amagasia.
12:59
[SPEAKER_01]: She got it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, not not play Braxton.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then we'll feel a better day.
13:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I saw him at left tackle today at all.
13:06
[SPEAKER_01]: He seemed like he's exclusive been backing up on the right side, which I mean, makes sense, he's not the, you know, I think events that you guard maybe is best position in the NFL, but if he's your right tackle, maybe he's your swing guy, we saw him play left tackle last year.
13:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's definitely a place for him in the NFL, right?
13:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's your six-old line mononication, but yeah, I mean,
13:30
[SPEAKER_01]: It's right now, it's a left half a figure that out.
13:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, everything else will fall into place because it seems like center without a daughter's gear at Bradbury.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't see anyone else taking any snaps to the ones except for him and that's what we've heard all camp thus far.
13:42
[SPEAKER_01]: But four fiftieths, pretty locked down, Braxton seems like he's good to go.
13:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully he's back and we should find out something in a week here on Saturday when to play the bronze.
13:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think that makes a lot of sense with Benedict being the six offensive Lyme, and he played a little bit of that early last year, and then, you know, obviously he was the left tackle for a few weeks, and then got moved off when Trepello was ready, and then he was kind of still coming in.
14:06
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, they do want him involved.
14:08
[SPEAKER_02]: They like him, you know, there's, there's some talent there.
14:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think his future is a guard, but
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[SPEAKER_02]: They, I think they like their backup guards, they can think they like where they're at with with those positions right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it'll be interesting, but he definitely has a place in the room and so that's good.
14:25
[SPEAKER_02]: That's good.
14:25
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we mentioned injuries a little bit and I just, I don't want to say that the overall vibe is injuries, but like, you know, I want to ask your overall impression of Ben Johnson, you're too.
14:36
[SPEAKER_02]: from a couple of standpoints, one like the practices are tough and hard.
14:41
[SPEAKER_02]: And we've heard now two camps in a row where, you know, we've got a lot of guys getting banged up.
14:47
[SPEAKER_02]: And they does seem like they're not necessarily emphasizing getting to the first
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[SPEAKER_02]: regular season game totally fresh like they're trying to like get battle hardened and get ready.
14:57
[SPEAKER_02]: That's that's my impression of Ben Johnson, but I want so I want to ask you about your opinion of that and any other injury stuff we want to cover that I also just want to like what's the feel like from coming from the field but also coming from the stands of where we're at with Ben Johnson's regime, the Ben Johnson era.
15:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think we heard a previous Chicago coach talk about you want to call us your team, right?
15:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, was that a flu?
15:21
[SPEAKER_01]: So was that a nag?
15:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, forget.
15:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to know.
15:23
[SPEAKER_01]: They're out of my mind, but I mean, that's what Ben Johnson obviously what he believes in.
15:28
[SPEAKER_01]: He believes in practicing hard and and I heard a lot of talk on social media.
15:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I was kind of watching stuff and the last few days because there's been a lot of injuries, right?
15:35
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people getting hurt and like, oh, he's too hard on that.
15:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, I was there today, obviously, but
15:44
[SPEAKER_01]: What is it too hard on?
15:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like Luther Burton went out today.
15:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Tyre, Tyre Stevenson, they got banged up today.
15:50
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a one-on-one drill.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a one-on-one red zone drill.
15:53
[SPEAKER_01]: He just landed wrong.
15:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Stevenson landed awkwardly on his back and his butt maybe.
15:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Look if he may have a little landed near Bergen's foot.
16:02
[SPEAKER_01]: is that that can happen in in shorts and shells like is not like like these injuries aren't happening like oh my god those are huge pile up that the whistle didn't blow they were just playing too rough I'm not seeing that I'm seeing just things that happen in the normal you know tone of a football practice I mean it's not something like I said it could happen in shorts and shells
16:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's too physical, but, but again, it's football.
16:26
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to be physical and and with the NFLPA, now you're only allowed so many padded practice and offseason.
16:33
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not sure what that number is, but I guarantee Ben's gonna hit it, you know, because that's what he's allowed, and I'm allowed to leave me.
16:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm gonna take these padded practices and look, not every padded practice is the same.
16:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, we heard Thursdays, you know, from the beat writers over there was was physical.
16:48
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a lot of stuff.
16:49
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of one on one drills, a lot of, you know, physical stuff.
16:53
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, today was was pretty physical to but nothing was like a read, a greed just like, oh my god, why are they letting them do this, you know, there was there wasn't a bull on the ring happening, right?
17:03
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there were there were no no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
17:10
[SPEAKER_01]: these things happen and it's unfortunate but you know that's kind of what it is and also injuries talk about a cam Luis went out today.
17:17
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't like seeing that he got carded off but you know the they're on the far field so the car just makes sense to get him back to locker because you're crossing across the whole field so hopefully that's not too bad but
17:30
[SPEAKER_01]: The second is beat up, but the overall vibe man, the crowd is just hyped.
17:34
[SPEAKER_01]: This is, I think this might have been the first weekend I've gone there to camp.
17:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I think last year, the two years prior was all weekday stuff, so I'm sure to had something to do with the number of people, but it was packed.
17:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's a lot of people there, a good buzz going through the crowd, a lot of
17:59
[SPEAKER_01]: It's starting to click and, you know, when's the last time we heard his bear swans that the offense is ahead of the defense?
18:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's, that's not normal, you know?
18:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I assume Johnny Lou Jack was the quarterback the last time.
18:16
[SPEAKER_02]: I obviously am in the defense.
18:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
18:18
[SPEAKER_02]: That's pretty much where things started to flip.
18:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I, this is an aside, but like, and because I'm getting old and I'm forgetting what drill is which, but like, Oklahoma drill, what's the setup for that?
18:30
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like one lime in one, like two like two people in line.
18:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Linebacker running back.
18:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, then it's two on two.
18:40
[SPEAKER_02]: I think did you start in like an actual stance or did you start like on the ground there was a one on the ground where it was a, uh, is that the netcracker.
18:50
[SPEAKER_02]: is that there might be what it is.
18:51
[SPEAKER_02]: I've just had this memory of like you start on the ground like the back of the helmet, helmet helmet and then they blow the whistle and you have to let get up and like toss your guys side and make the tackle and never let it back.
19:03
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's the dumbest, dumbest drill.
19:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Like when are you ever starting on your back in a football play?
19:10
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you're on your back in a football play, you're probably out of it, but I guess that's something about getting up
19:16
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, trying to find the running back who was also starting to play on his bed.
19:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, it's just insane, I hated that drill.
19:23
[SPEAKER_01]: This is stuff I thought of when I played, right, I played on like, this drill makes no sense.
19:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, this, this, this, I'm never going to do this movement in a game.
19:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Why am I doing this in a practice?
19:32
[SPEAKER_01]: So then when I was coach,
19:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I never did stupid stuff like that.
19:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, you know, like, what's the point of that?
19:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's no, I'll never ask my guy to do this.
19:40
[SPEAKER_01]: So why am I working out with this?
19:42
[SPEAKER_01]: And then like, every now and then I'll see, like, you know, coach those share stuff on social media.
19:46
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, what are they doing?
19:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, like, why are you practicing this?
19:50
[SPEAKER_01]: That's nothing you'll ever do in life.
19:52
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just the stupid thing to do.
19:53
[SPEAKER_01]: So practice what you're gonna do, practice what makes sense, practice your movement you're gonna make, otherwise don't practice it.
20:00
[SPEAKER_02]: This is like those people that post those gym videos.
20:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, doing things and stuff that like it's like you all you're doing is just trying to get hurt in the gym and then like that's the equivalent of what you see in some of these coaches or whatever like they post this practice and it's like that's not football like there's nothing that you're benefiting your players from doing that stuff so yeah those rules those rules bad I'm glad that we're not doing those.
20:25
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah.
20:26
[SPEAKER_02]: I just, I just, uh, overall I was thinking about it today.
20:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, it was, uh, health with my wife and we were talking about, you, she, she did that thing literally like, where she came in the other night.
20:36
[SPEAKER_02]: I was watching the whole fame game and she goes, oh, no, like she had no idea what's called back.
20:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, you know, and, uh, and she was asking me about today.
20:48
[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, well, you know, what, what are people think about Ben Johnson?
20:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Where, where, where
20:54
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, you know, I was so early on the bench on something like so early wanting him to be the bearish coach and then now he is and last year went so well, I mean, even probably even better than I could have imagined, but like so well last year and you see all these people coming on board because they were even at the higher.
21:11
[SPEAKER_02]: They were still playing people like, oh, people that are content creators that are like,
21:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Matt about it because well, there's another coordinator failure coming up here and he's just not a leader of men Okay, we'll see And so just it's been fun to watch everybody kind of come on board, but I just wondered like I remember writing the bus maybe it was with you
21:37
[SPEAKER_02]: It might have been with Sam Householder, but you're riding the bus to Camp, because you park in like a, I don't know if they still do it this way, park on the mall and take a bus over to the house hall and that's how you get to camp, and we were riding the bus over, and it was a message from Nagy, came up on the charter bus, and they like talk through it.
22:00
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you talk to the rules of camp and stuff.
22:03
[SPEAKER_02]: And just the vibe and the bus.
22:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody's bare fans.
22:07
[SPEAKER_02]: They've like, it's like a Thursday morning.
22:10
[SPEAKER_02]: They've taken the day off of work.
22:12
[SPEAKER_02]: They've maybe they've traveled hundreds of miles and some instances.
22:15
[SPEAKER_02]: And Matt and he comes on the screen and it was like, uh, cool.
22:19
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just like,
22:20
[SPEAKER_02]: we're over you.
22:21
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't think you should be here.
22:22
[SPEAKER_02]: It was the year that they should have been fired here before.
22:26
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just was like, so interesting to just see the tone of the fan base.
22:32
[SPEAKER_02]: And obviously the flu stuff, you know, we were there the first year of the flu stuff and we got, you know, a trouble for something we didn't do and all that kind of stuff that kind of set my tone on that.
22:41
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, the people were
22:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, who is this guy, you know, there's just this kind of like we don't know we're waiting and seeing but we don't really know what you think about this guy.
22:51
[SPEAKER_02]: This just like feels like the fan base is, you know, I wear this stuff around town and I see another bear's fan.
22:58
[SPEAKER_02]: They're super excited to say something to me and, you know, hey, we're going to run this back again this year, right?
23:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, and that Ben Johnson, you know, I mean, he comes up as much as Caleb Williams does.
23:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's funny you mentioned that naggy video because today I'm in the bus and the where I was sitting was right in front of a screen and my first thought was oh good.
23:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't I'm glad they don't have the no corny video and then I tried thinking actually I don't think Ben Johnson would do that.
23:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if they came to Ben said, hey, I want you to film this.
23:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's time for this shit.
23:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I got football to do.
23:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I got plays to worry about.
23:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I got I got a roster to break down.
23:36
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think that's something he would do.
23:38
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, but that practice Chris, right year, everyone said Ben Jeffs runs a Chris practice it was.
23:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that was, uh, you know, there was a thing over the PA every session ended.
23:46
[SPEAKER_01]: It said field for a special, a special team, like it was a thing.
23:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, I don't remember here and that before.
23:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I missed last year.
23:54
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's sure that may have been happening last year.
23:56
[SPEAKER_01]: But
23:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything was do it now, do it quick, do it fast, let's get to the next session.
24:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Love it.
24:05
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's, you know, just learning the job is more than just calling plays, right?
24:10
[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's commanding the building.
24:12
[SPEAKER_02]: It's commanding the practices, the training, you know, having a vision is a smart guy.
24:17
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got everything got to figured out here.
24:18
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the various fans, if you don't already love them, you're going to like, I mean, it's just he's he's got it all and he's he's embracing the villain part like the number of fan bases that already hate this guy.
24:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
24:33
[SPEAKER_02]: it or just growing by by the game by the week he I mean he's going to make enemies of so many people it's beautiful it's like they're inventing things we mad about like the other fan bases oh he he said something in the floor so now the entire McVay tree hates him all of them what Liam Cohen now he's calling him out you know he is he because he said all these uh Caleb Williams highlights so they you know and he's part of that tree so therefore like all these
25:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, like you know what, she's not going to win Mr. Congeniality, don't care.
25:09
[SPEAKER_02]: Just now I can see with with the crown at the end of the day, that's all I care about.
25:13
[SPEAKER_02]: That's all anybody should care about who cares about being the most well like coach.
25:17
[SPEAKER_02]: That's already Sean McVay.
25:18
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got that title wrapped up.
25:20
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, everybody loves Shawn McVay.
25:22
[SPEAKER_02]: He's great.
25:22
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to be great in the booth when he would decide to go do that.
25:24
[SPEAKER_02]: But that Johnson just wants to win some championships.
25:27
[SPEAKER_02]: That's that's all we can ask for.
25:29
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
25:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, quick break.
25:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Other side of it.
25:31
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to get back to camp and and some other things that we've been hearing about right after this.
25:40
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, open question Saturday standouts, what did you see, what caught your eye?
25:47
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, did you get a cold beverage like, you know, anything that's worth talking about here's your chance?
25:53
[SPEAKER_01]: So I already mentioned Vanderberg.
25:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, to me, he was like the most surprising thing, like I was not expecting to see the way he looked.
26:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, for time, I practiced just, you know,
26:03
[SPEAKER_01]: take it for grain of salt, but then other stuff was good.
26:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean the receiver stuff.
26:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought the
26:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Colleva Raymond looks quick, his route running.
26:15
[SPEAKER_01]: They were doing a lot of goal-endels right in front of us.
26:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, a lot of 11, 11's were the other field, but we had all-line in front of us.
26:23
[SPEAKER_01]: And then when they flip back on it, came they did some goal-line, one-on-ones, and Colleva Raymond.
26:29
[SPEAKER_01]: He was shaking the guys that it was covering him.
26:32
[SPEAKER_01]: He looked really good.
26:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Jalen Johnson looked like Jalen Johnson of old.
26:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't catch who he was matched up against,
26:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I just thought that overall the, again, the offense was moving, right?
26:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Sam Rausch, the rookies are Rausch or Rush.
26:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Shuddy pronounces, you're the pronunciation guy here.
26:54
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually don't know.
26:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was rough, but like if it's, if there's a question, then we, yeah, we'll have to get that figured out because I was in the, listen, the radio, I know we home and whoever it was and the thing said, they call them Sam rush and I'm like, maybe it is rush.
27:06
[SPEAKER_01]: So I have to figure this out, but, but he was, you know, there was a play I noticed earlier again walk through, right, they do walk through first.
27:12
[SPEAKER_01]: I always like to look at formations and see where guys are lining up, you know, I
27:16
[SPEAKER_01]: They had they had rush, rush, you'll split out wide and he motioned and he was playing full back.
27:21
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, okay, that's something that did last you would germ some ice.
27:24
[SPEAKER_01]: That's something roused it at Stanford.
27:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure we'll see some of that happen this year.
27:27
[SPEAKER_01]: The 13 person else is going to happen.
27:29
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I know a lot of bear's fans.
27:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sick here in about 13 person.
27:32
[SPEAKER_01]: No, they're going to run more than last year.
27:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I think last year they ran it.
27:35
[SPEAKER_01]: like nine percent of the time.
27:37
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not even a big deal, right?
27:38
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, they're gonna, they'll increase.
27:40
[SPEAKER_01]: They're gonna run some more of that.
27:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought, gosh, they're pretty good.
27:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Loveland, what I can see, all over the place, catching everything.
27:47
[SPEAKER_01]: The two-minute drill, a lot of red zone, a lot of two-minute stuff today.
27:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the 11 and 11 that we did see, the second strings last session, Tyson Bajant,
27:59
[SPEAKER_01]: beautiful shot to Jatta, Jatta Walker who hit the, the, the Juby slide at the end, right?
28:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, look good there.
28:08
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Caleb's the first stringer's last play.
28:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, my vantage point was a field over, but I'm watching this play unfold.
28:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was like the waning second because there is a scoreboard to the clocks ticking down, probably going to be the last play of the session, the last play of the game right, and he gets a little pressure and he starts scrambling.
28:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And in my mind, I'm thinking this is like the Rams game, because he kind of scrambles back a little bit.
28:38
[SPEAKER_01]: He fires a pass that at the back of the end zone.
28:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll jump for Roma Dune Z for the touchdown.
28:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh my God, that's a hell of a way to cap a practice.
28:46
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's two in a row knock cause they had to similar something happen on Thursday at the end of practice where a nice play by kill the cap itself.
28:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the offense is advertised.
28:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they were a top 10 unit last year, right?
28:57
[SPEAKER_01]: And after a slow start and you know, yeah, oh, they're gonna regress.
29:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I'll buy your point about the turn over number regressing.
29:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll buy that, right?
29:11
[SPEAKER_01]: The offense is gonna be better this year, right?
29:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Year two,
29:15
[SPEAKER_01]: of Caleb and Ben, you know, you've got talent all over the field, lovelin is going to take a step this year.
29:23
[SPEAKER_01]: The old line is going to take a step back at first.
29:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, probably, but, you know, the answer is issues at left tackle last year, right?
29:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone they put there was was pretty much bad.
29:35
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I know, oh, I see Chipolo.
29:37
[SPEAKER_01]: As Chipolo was not a good player early on.
29:39
[SPEAKER_01]: He had a couple of games late once he got the hang of things, but, you know, there was some issues there, whether it was Braxton Jones or early playing hurt, whether it was feel, better day over there, who was just, you know, not a very good pass blocker, Ben had to skim around some issues.
29:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I trust Ben.
29:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I trust Dan Rochard, the olign coach.
29:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he had a Brad originally can be better than most fans think.
30:01
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think this offense,
30:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Top five, like why not?
30:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, every year Ben was in the shirt as often, Scott better every year.
30:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Why can't I happen this year?
30:10
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a better quarterback, you know, from a physical tool standpoint, you can do more things than Jiren Goff could do, right?
30:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Jiren Goff's good, good quarterback.
30:18
[SPEAKER_01]: He was fine, a little different offense they do here.
30:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you catch that, the other day from Press Taylor, the we're hunting explosives?
30:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never heard Ben Johnson talk about efficiency.
30:30
[SPEAKER_01]: We're one explosive, and I'm like, there it is.
30:34
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, oh, you know, Caleb Williams can't run a Jared golf offense.
30:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, shit.
30:39
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not running.
30:40
[SPEAKER_01]: He's running this offense and this offense will have be more efficient in your two.
30:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, of course it will.
30:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Will he have hit his check downs a little more often, probably was complete percentage go up, probably a little.
30:54
[SPEAKER_01]: but he's still gonna push that ball down field.
30:56
[SPEAKER_01]: He's still gonna look for the big shot once there.
30:59
[SPEAKER_01]: They're still gonna run, run on third and five.
31:01
[SPEAKER_01]: They're gonna run a drop because they're gonna go for it on fourth not.
31:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're gonna have a nice play down field.
31:05
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think overall Yoffense is gonna be really good this year and it's exciting to see.
31:12
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's a lot of things that go into how you can get those numbers to be so good like a consistency explosives like game in game out, right weather, you know, sometimes you got a lot of bad weather games and they kind of grind out down your offense like that can kind of impact it.
31:30
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of things that go into it and you can't just be like top five offense not not bears don't play in a dome like just establish that.
31:39
[SPEAKER_02]: My expectation is that this is going to be a top five offense.
31:41
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no reason for them to not be.
31:43
[SPEAKER_02]: When you have all of these young weapons growing, that last year with Olamida Tsukiyus, when they signed him, it was like, this is the Khalifa Raymond that they proximity that they need.
32:03
[SPEAKER_01]: And now they just went out and signed Cleve Raymond, you know, and so he looked good to them telling he just and then you hear the players and the coaches, they all rave about them, right, and we're just there's so much he brings to that room.
32:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Xavier and Thomas, you know, he's he is learning so much stuff from from Raymond.
32:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Roman Dunes, you know, Luther Burden, obviously the injuries is troublesome, but, you know, he walked off on his own power.
32:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I hope he's going to be okay, but a lot of talent, you know, on this offense.
32:39
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you sign a guy like Cliff Raymond to be because he's coaches best friend, right?
32:43
[SPEAKER_02]: He's he's not going to make any mental mistakes, but he's kind of that he's the standard in the Ben Johnson offense for that.
32:49
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how he established his role in Detroit with Ben Johnson.
32:53
[SPEAKER_02]: And so now he's able to just step in and do that.
32:55
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to do that at a higher level than Zacchaeus was able to do, no, it's not sliding Zacchaeus, but like, you know, he had his drops and some issues and Zacchaeus was kind of known as like that coach's best friend because he's not going to make those mental errors or anything like that.
33:11
[SPEAKER_02]: She really didn't make mental errors and made physical errors.
33:13
[SPEAKER_02]: But now you've got a great move.
33:14
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not going to make mental errors and he's not going to make a lot of physical errors.
33:16
[SPEAKER_02]: So Pro, he's not
33:18
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he's not, he's not doesn't have the upside of either of Roman dude's a or Luther Burton, but he's going to not only be good on the field.
33:28
[SPEAKER_02]: He's good in the classroom.
33:29
[SPEAKER_02]: He's mentoring these guys, you know, Ben said to Xavier, I'm like,
33:33
[SPEAKER_02]: follow him follically frame it around and that's purposeful like that's why you sign a guy like that because you do want those guys to then mentor and teach your younger players and this is overall a very young room and so he's really kind of it has to be the elder statesman and help bring that you know these receivers along because otherwise I mean what roles the oldest?
33:59
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, man besides Raymond.
34:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's crazy.
34:01
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's kind of crazy, right?
34:03
[SPEAKER_02]: So I love the signing when it happened because it was such an obvious fit in it, but also from what that guy's going to bring to the rest of these players and a lot of young guys that are impressionable and and hopefully going to be willing to learn.
34:16
[SPEAKER_02]: So and that's hopefully the type of guys that you know, Ryan polls and company.
34:21
[SPEAKER_02]: wants or the sponges, right?
34:23
[SPEAKER_02]: The guys that want to come in and soak all that stuff up.
34:25
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, good stuff.
34:27
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, all excited about the past receivers, we include those tight ends in there.
34:33
[SPEAKER_02]: The passing game should be a lot of fun.
34:35
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.
34:35
[SPEAKER_02]: It's always super fun to talk about.
34:37
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you and I are both more offensive guys and defensive guys anyway.
34:40
[SPEAKER_02]: So super fun to talk.
34:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, get a bear's team that we get to talk about offense about.
34:44
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, I'm not worried about that.
34:46
[SPEAKER_02]: So defense we're worried about, but like,
34:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's, let's remain excited on the excited part of it because we, we haven't really had this before.
34:53
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to ask about the other work, Rookie's, we just mentioned Zavansama's.
34:56
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we haven't talked about Dylan theme in yet.
34:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Just, you know, some stuff about some receiver made a nice move on.
35:03
[SPEAKER_02]: And I remember which one and people were like, ah, I don't know.
35:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Or we started to get worried about Dylan theme in.
35:08
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, I'm not.
35:10
[SPEAKER_02]: worried about the rookie, the rookie safety who got beat by one of our awesome whiter see for us in a drill.
35:17
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, what do you see from Thineman today if you can even evaluate that, any of the other rookies that you got any notes on?
35:25
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Thineman actually had some plays today.
35:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there was a play early on, and they were doing 11 on 11, and it was a running play, and
35:33
[SPEAKER_01]: All you saw was steam him in flash.
35:35
[SPEAKER_01]: He fills the hole.
35:37
[SPEAKER_01]: He tackles my non guy in the back.
35:39
[SPEAKER_01]: He would have been a TFL if it was going live.
35:41
[SPEAKER_01]: But good recognition.
35:43
[SPEAKER_01]: He kind of jumped in and did that.
35:45
[SPEAKER_01]: And then later on in the practice, I'm not sure if it was a drill that the bear was doing.
35:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I know they said they were doing some late minute stuff, some last second testing out.
36:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure what it was.
36:01
[SPEAKER_01]: But it looked like Caleb just kind of chucked it up there.
36:03
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, the demon kind of broke on the ball and he made a pick.
36:06
[SPEAKER_01]: So he got his first, you know, can't pick today.
36:10
[SPEAKER_01]: And look, he's Matt, like I said, he's matched up with love in a lot and some of these drills and some of these when I want them to like.
36:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully it is going to be probably the top three tight end of the game, right?
36:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's kind of where his path is headed.
36:22
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be one of those guys.
36:23
[SPEAKER_01]: So the end of him is going to be there.
36:25
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, staying with the defense again, there was a point in practice where they're doing 11, 11 and Dennis Allen was like sending both safeties, like they were kind of creep up there and they just both blitzed, right?
36:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure what's going on if he's kind of working on some of the new things, but
36:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't recall seeing that much last year, but that's something he did this year.
36:46
[SPEAKER_01]: They kind of both came in and both linebackers kind of dropped off.
36:49
[SPEAKER_01]: So kind of like a zone blitz look, kind of bringing one gap where you dropping another guy back, but entering the sea there, other rookies, the Logan Jones, again running with the twos, I saw some one on one.
37:01
[SPEAKER_01]: He looked good, the one rep, I tweeted out a rep that he got beat by Vanneberg.
37:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, Logan Jones sucks, right?
37:08
[SPEAKER_01]: This is what you get, you know, one camp rep.
37:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this guy sucks now.
37:13
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's like, what about that last thing that I hate the most?
37:16
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, what exactly that's been in our last show.
37:19
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's funny because Xavier and Thomas was trying to was doing a punt drill.
37:24
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, we're watching the guys go through their catches, they're all doing their stuff.
37:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And Thomas gets one and he bowled it.
37:30
[SPEAKER_01]: And I mentioned a Brian, I'm like, that's one of the things where if you tweet that out, like, oh, he bowled upon people, oh, he sucks.
37:37
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a bust of a pick right away.
37:39
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all they're gonna say.
37:40
[SPEAKER_01]: And sure enough, I look at my Twitter feed and there's somewhere I see in Logan Jones suck, because of one rep I talk about.
37:46
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you know, they can have, again, 25, 30 straight rap, make one mistake out, he sucks, that get out here with that BS.
37:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure what happened in Jalen Jones who has been the Phyllon Nickel.
38:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he got hurt on Thursday.
38:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I tried checking the timeline to see if there was an injury, but regardless, he was not at practice today for whatever reason.
38:13
[SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of Malikumaham playing Nickel.
38:15
[SPEAKER_01]: He flashed today so I know that's I know he's been you know guy that they've talked about he's gotten some reps there as well as with with Kobe Bryant out Cam Luis moved safety he was another nickel guy rotation, but you know with with Cam Luis back at safety with you know Jalen Jones out a lot of Muhammad and I thought he looked pretty good playing nickel so
38:38
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got to be a pretty good rookie class.
38:40
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems, I mean, again, Logan Jones may not play much, just because he's a rookie center and you got a guy, Gary Bradbury, who is between two really good guards, which usually elevates the play of a center.
38:52
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think they're gonna make a change there until they have to, and they might not make one until next year.
38:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is okay, I'm okay with that.
39:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Most draft picks are made for the following season, right?
39:05
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's what no one wants to talk about.
39:07
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's an old rookie.
39:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, here, that's a lot too.
39:10
[SPEAKER_01]: He's 25 years old.
39:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't give a shit, dude.
39:13
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you hope that he be able to step in, obviously, if something happened to Bradbury, but if he's, you know, the other thing is when we knew this and I, and I'm victim of like I obviously, I'm leaning in a little bit to the bit of of, you know, pumping up Logan Jones is like the greatest thing to put right, I get it like I'm, you know, it's a bit guys, but, you know, eventually he's going to be to starting center like that that's that's obviously what you're going for there.
39:39
[SPEAKER_02]: And yes, he's older, he's been around for a while.
39:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't necessarily mean that Ben is going to prefer to put him in there over an old that who just started a Super Bowl.
39:50
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, he's going to probably feel a little more comfortable with with Bradbury and that's fine and, you know, even like half a season of sitting on the bench and learning is going to be great for Logan Jones.
40:02
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's another wrong with that.
40:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, he's older.
40:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever.
40:05
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not going to matter long run.
40:06
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to be the starting center.
40:09
[SPEAKER_02]: if it's next year fine, if it's at some point this year fine, but you know, not not worried about that, but most, again, most draft selections are made for the following season.
40:19
[SPEAKER_02]: You expect a first round of the comment and play, but once you get past, you know, the first 3040 picks.
40:26
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a guarantee, all right?
40:28
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot of based on depth chart.
40:29
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot of based on development.
40:31
[SPEAKER_02]: You start taking guys for different reasons and not like this is a guy that can step in immediately and play and that's just what happens.
40:38
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, you didn't mention Key Chanel yet.
40:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Well,
40:42
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Kishan Elliott might not be an important part of this team until next year, where one or two of these linebackers moves on, and he elevates himself into being a position to get some reps, right?
40:55
[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, there's just, it is what it is.
40:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Most of these draft picks are made for the next year.
41:00
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why it's so exciting to talk about a guy like Vandenberg, because he does have a pathway, and he does flash, and can you get 12 snaps of game from him?
41:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's what you need at a DT4.
41:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you can do that and kind of work as we're up in the more of a consistent rotation, I think that's great.
41:20
[SPEAKER_01]: One more Rookhow mentioned is a undrafted phrase in Skylar Thomas.
41:24
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a safety.
41:26
[SPEAKER_01]: The first guy noticed when I look out, I'm watching the beef and some like, I asked you what, who the hell is this big tall guy?
41:32
[SPEAKER_01]: He's six for two, right?
41:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't realize he was that big.
41:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I go, that's got a charm.
41:36
[SPEAKER_01]: It's something I remember.
41:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
41:37
[SPEAKER_01]: So we have heard some talk about him in camp early on.
41:41
[SPEAKER_01]: The bear seemed to like him.
41:43
[SPEAKER_01]: He was running with the ones when Cam Luis got hurt today.
41:45
[SPEAKER_01]: He was a guy that kind of stepped in.
41:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, some of this could be because he knows that he's been around all camping.
41:51
[SPEAKER_01]: He knows what's going on here.
41:52
[SPEAKER_01]: When you're down to your third or fourth, you know, guy.
41:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's all that is.
41:57
[SPEAKER_01]: But.
41:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he was in there.
41:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he was playing with Thineman at safety.
42:02
[SPEAKER_01]: He definitely looks the part, you know, he's a good athlete.
42:04
[SPEAKER_01]: He had a nice, nice college tape.
42:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, I think Jacob, you know, liked the signing when it happened.
42:09
[SPEAKER_01]: But here he is not getting some some reps as a UDFA, you know, on the affairs defense.
42:15
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's kind of fun to see.
42:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that'll be good.
42:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, you know, practice squad guy, potentially, you know, like we'll see how the preseason plays out.
42:22
[SPEAKER_02]: I know the Bears made a move for a safety here recently.
42:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Xavier will take it with us again.
42:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Get a come in.
42:28
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a guy that makes the roster assuming he's healthy enough to play and and looks fine.
42:33
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's a guy that you sign to come in and fill in for those first few weeks until, you know, Bryant is able to come back and then probably drafts back
42:48
[SPEAKER_02]: piece, you know, not going to say the other piece of that work, but the other word there, but you know, maybe in the nickel rotation where he comes in on a 5DB set.
42:56
[SPEAKER_01]: So he has played to nickel in the past as Xavier was a real set.
42:59
[SPEAKER_01]: That's good to see there.
43:00
[SPEAKER_01]: So again, another versatile safety.
43:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of look at through my notes.
43:03
[SPEAKER_01]: See, and if we want to may have missed your,
43:06
[SPEAKER_01]: This kind of general stuff, Jack Sandborn, trying to work with the ones.
43:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess TJ Edwards, even though he's back and cleared, he's only doing individuals.
43:15
[SPEAKER_01]: He hasn't been put in his game stuff yet, which is kind of why the Marco Jackson had not seen out there today.
43:21
[SPEAKER_01]: So pretty much it was Devon Bush and it was Jack Sandborn plan.
43:25
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, linebacker pretty much all day, a lot of nickel work they got there with Muhammad, but but Jack Sam were running with the ones all day.
43:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure he's going to be excited a lot of lot of bears fans.
43:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I mentioned that the Stevenson, you know, got dinged up, but I will say this, man.
43:41
[SPEAKER_01]: whatever he was clearly laboring like like when he fell and I did see a clip someone shared a clip on line I think some one of these these Twitter doctors trying to break it down the injury to burden but that is the clip where we're burdened got hurt and it's also a clip where Steven didn't got hurt kind of fell on his tailbone maybe back something but he was clearly laboring stretching it out
44:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Went right back in to 11 on 11 and then I guess he left again later, but then he came back again.
44:07
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, there's trich Stevenson kind of tough and things out want to make sure he's out there with this team.
44:14
[SPEAKER_01]: That's that's pretty much all I got.
44:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of looking on my notes.
44:17
[SPEAKER_01]: See who else booker off the booker looks bigger.
44:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I will say this and off the booker is I think you're going to be your starting defense event with with Montes wet there.
44:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Who was gone today.
44:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Dayo Dengbo.
44:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Isn't it pretty good?
44:34
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, a lot of defensive tackle works today.
44:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And it looks like that maybe to plan with him going forward.
44:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
44:40
[SPEAKER_01]: A year it talked about him in his pressure today after practice.
44:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I let's talk that I'd be right before we jump down here and a dangable can kind of play pretty much both sides and defensive end and now he's also playing in the interior, which is what he did with with the cold previous so.
44:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Depth piece book is your starter.
44:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Dale comes in kind of rotates a little bit there.
44:59
[SPEAKER_01]: He may never be a guy that like, you know, lives up to that hefty contract, but I mean, he could be a product event if I play everything that's kind of what you want on it.
45:09
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean at this point, you just have to hope that there's a lot of solid defense of players and that they play well as a unit and that your defensive coordinator is able to put them into interesting positions to create those turnover, to create those big plays, to get, you know, get the opposing offense off the field, get the ball back, Dennis Allen is a good defensive coordinator.
45:33
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not the best defensive coordinator of the league by any
45:39
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that as long as he is able to understand the situation, the situational football, and get these guys playing together as a unit, there's a chance that this, even though there's not a lot of outstanding, like you know that this guy's all pro on the defensive side, a lot of people are forgetting how good Jalen Johnson is because he played hurt last year.
46:04
[SPEAKER_02]: But he looks back.
46:05
[SPEAKER_01]: He looks all the way back.
46:06
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's great.
46:07
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's one, maybe the one elite piece that you can start to build around here, but you know, Devin Bush, a really good football player, last year got a figured out right, and then came in, you know, with a big contract, Kobe Bryant when he comes back, right there's some,
46:22
[SPEAKER_02]: There's some good stuff here, but again, you hope that it's like the sums greater than some of the pieces, right?
46:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Like everybody playing together, you know, consistently and effectively with some good scheme can be a little bit more than just like we've got these three leaked guys and we're just going to beat you up around that, right?
46:40
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not what the Bears Defenses.
46:42
[SPEAKER_02]: So,
46:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, good stuff.
46:44
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll get out of here.
46:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, you know, as we, we talked about popping off for 20 minutes as a, as a, as a recap, and we're a 45, of course, you know, we can't, can't help ourselves.
46:52
[SPEAKER_02]: But, uh, football's back, right?
46:54
[SPEAKER_02]: It was on the TV.
46:56
[SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, bears are going to play in a preseason game soon.
46:59
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're going to have stuff to talk about guys.
47:01
[SPEAKER_02]: So welcome back.
47:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Get your summer to do list done because pretty soon.
47:06
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not going to have any time.
47:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Bears just beat the Panthers, bears just beat the, you know, fill in the blank air.
47:17
[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll be we'll be doing game ready cast before you know it.
47:21
[SPEAKER_01]: We're ready.
47:23
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
47:24
[SPEAKER_02]: Good.
47:24
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks a lot to appreciate it.
47:25
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks all of you for joining us and we'll see you next time.
47:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Bird on.
47:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Bear down.