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The Baddest Bitch Bandit of the West w/ Vanessa Bayer & Jonah Bayer (Fraud Friday) · Scam Goddess

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  Speaker 1: What's popping Congregation? Is your girl?
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  Speaker 2: Lacey Mosley aka Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of
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  Speaker 2: Fraud Fridays, where we release older episodes from the Scam
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  Speaker 2: Goddess vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring
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  Speaker 2: back your favorite episodes from behind the paywall. Enjoy this
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  Speaker 2: episode from behind the paywall, and as always, stay scheming, scam,
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  Speaker 2: Come froll scam, Come.
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  Speaker 1: Rob froll.
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  Speaker 2: Goddess. What's popping Congregation? It's your girl.
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  Speaker 3: Lacey Mosley aka Scam Goddess, back with another installment of
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  Speaker 3: Scam Goddess, the podcast all about robbery, fraud and those
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  Speaker 3: who practice it. I know y'all can tell my boy
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  Speaker 3: sounds a little different and stop doing that weird stuff
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  Speaker 3: when I get sick, and y'all like we like that,
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  Speaker 3: that's weird to me.
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  Speaker 2: I have hay fever, y'all. It's not even COVID. I forgot.
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  Speaker 2: The other girls are out here like pollen and ragweed
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  Speaker 2: and a whoop in my ass. My eyes are red.
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  Speaker 2: I feel terrible, but look I'm still here because I
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  Speaker 2: have a problem. All right. Anyways, let's get back. Well, no, actually,
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  Speaker 2: let's keep a parasocial because.
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  Speaker 3: Y'all already know I'm yes, excited, extremely excited, elated even
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  Speaker 3: for today's guests. We have two guests, Yes, double whammy
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  Speaker 3: for you. One of our guests is a writer, podcaster,
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  Speaker 3: and musician with two decades of experience in a music
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  Speaker 3: industry come on season. And our other guest is a writer, actress,
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  Speaker 3: long standing comedian who's best known for killing it on
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  Speaker 3: Saturday Night Live.
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  Speaker 1: Y'all.
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  Speaker 3: This sibling duo invites special guests to take a nostalgic
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  Speaker 3: look back at their fun but strange childhoods on their podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Called how Did We Get Weird? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 3: Check it out on Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network,
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  Speaker 3: on iHeartRadio or wherever you get your podcasts congregation. Please
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  Speaker 3: welcome Jonah and Vanessa Bayer. Hey, how are you too?
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  Speaker 1: We're doing good.
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  Speaker 2: You want to see it?
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  Speaker 3: I am, well, you know, the outdoors is beating my ass,
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  Speaker 3: So That's what I'm dealing with. But I like to
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  Speaker 3: think of it as like I'm just like such baddish
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  Speaker 3: that you know, the sky gotta fight me and the.
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  Speaker 1: Wig right right right right. That makes total yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Either that or that I would not have lived in
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  Speaker 3: the eighteen hundreds because my bigas I would have been
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  Speaker 3: dead extra early because I needed modern medicine.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm at least class I don't know I was
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  Speaker 2: born at this.
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  Speaker 4: Time, same a hundred. I love modern medicine. I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: what were they doing back then?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess leeches they died a lot,
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  Speaker 1: or leeches they died, or leeches.
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  Speaker 3: I also love that time because I feel like anybody
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  Speaker 3: was saying they could be a healer. There's probably some
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  Speaker 3: people who were kind of naturally inclined to be good healers,
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  Speaker 3: and then there were other people who.
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  Speaker 2: Were like, I don't know, let's cut them and bleat them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, Yeah, yeah, that sounds good. Y'all with it.
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  Speaker 4: That's what it's like living in LA now. It's like
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  Speaker 4: there's all times.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yes, everyone in LA.
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  Speaker 3: It's so funny because you know, it's very liberal out here,
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  Speaker 3: and people love to be like, well, I don't know
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  Speaker 3: why people don't believe in the vaccine, but they also
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  Speaker 3: like to be like, have you ever chewed mock a root?
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  Speaker 2: Signit rid of your acne?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah? Which is it? Which is it?
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  Speaker 3: We always ask on this podcast, what is your relationship
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  Speaker 3: with scams. It could be literally anything like do you
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  Speaker 3: love them?
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  Speaker 2: Do you hate them? Have you ever been scammed?
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  Speaker 3: Have you ever run some scams that you know, like
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  Speaker 3: the twelve and pull up on you know?
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  Speaker 2: It could be anything. I would say either have been.
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  Speaker 4: Jonah and I are both absolute scam artists. Jonah, do
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  Speaker 4: you want to yes, Okay, how's the gate?
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  Speaker 1: Jonah?
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  Speaker 4: Do you want to lead with your I feel like
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  Speaker 4: we both I have like an ongoing scam and Jonah
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  Speaker 4: has sort of like a scam from growing up that
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  Speaker 4: I feel like has influenced his scamming today.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, I had a scam. I think we've talked about
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  Speaker 5: some on our podcast, but I had a scam of
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  Speaker 5: Borders books and music. Are you familiar with Borders the Chain? Yes?
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  Speaker 2: I am. Are they still alive or did they get
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  Speaker 2: start as.
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  Speaker 5: Sitting I think they're not still around, and I think
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  Speaker 5: it may have had something to do with this scam.
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  Speaker 1: Other people maybe do that, yeah, or maybe just you Jonah.
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  Speaker 5: When I was a teenager, me and my friend Dan
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  Speaker 5: figured out that we were taught by someone else in
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  Speaker 5: Saint Louis. A friend of ours sail that passed away
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  Speaker 5: taught us that you could go into Borders Books and
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  Speaker 5: return any book you wanted and get store credit even
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  Speaker 5: if you didn't buy it there, you didn't need a receipt,
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  Speaker 5: and so we started We're really into like music and
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  Speaker 5: punk rock. We were probably around like fifteen sixteen years old.
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  Speaker 5: We'd go the Walden Books down the street, by these
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  Speaker 5: really expensive hardcover books that were, you know, the manufacturer
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  Speaker 5: press was like thirty bucks. They'd be on sale for
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  Speaker 5: like three dollars. We'd spend like twenty bucks and we'd
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  Speaker 5: go over to Borders and return them and get like
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  Speaker 5: one hundred and fifty dollars in store credit. And they
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  Speaker 5: had a music section, so we were just buy CDs.
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  Speaker 5: So and we would do this over and over and
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  Speaker 5: get all these CDs until one time we got caught
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  Speaker 5: because my friend's sister was working there. Oh, and I
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  Speaker 5: used a fake ID because I was so scared because
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  Speaker 5: they would enter in your ID info every time you
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  Speaker 5: did a return, and I was like thinking, like somewhere
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  Speaker 5: corporate Borders, they're gonna know on return, Like no way
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  Speaker 5: they would ever cared. How old were you at the time,
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  Speaker 5: I would say, yeah, I was probably in high school.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, so you didn't use the Pike ID to buy
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  Speaker 2: like beer. You were like, I'm gonna use it, you.
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  Speaker 5: Know, Actually, hold on, hold on, hold on. I think
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  Speaker 5: I'm getting the timeline wrong. I think I actually was
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  Speaker 5: in college that I think I was probably like twenty I.
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  Speaker 2: Was twenty one. Yeah, so everybody else is said in
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  Speaker 2: the line, you're in that line.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought, yeah, so yeah, so no, I definitely
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  Speaker 5: not in mind the club, definitely in line and like
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  Speaker 5: the import section of like the borders, trying to get
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  Speaker 5: like Belt and Sebastian import CDs. And my friend Matt's
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  Speaker 5: sister was working one day. She was like a manager,
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  Speaker 5: and I was doing a return and she came over
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  Speaker 5: and said, hi, Jonah, And I had my idea out
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  Speaker 5: that said my name was Paul.
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  Speaker 2: And the whole set.
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  Speaker 5: She gave me this, this is the best part store.
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  Speaker 5: She she gave me this look like, why are you
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  Speaker 5: using a fake ID to return books? Like this seems
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  Speaker 5: like you're up to something and being you know, a
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  Speaker 5: young person, I said, hold on a second, I have
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  Speaker 5: to get something out of my car, and I just left,
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  Speaker 5: just left the books didn't And then my friend Matt,
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  Speaker 5: of course her younger brother called me that night and said,
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  Speaker 5: what happened? My sister said, you just like were acting weird,
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  Speaker 5: used a fake ID, and then when she asked you
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  Speaker 5: about it, you just walked out of the store and
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  Speaker 5: didn't come back.
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  Speaker 3: That is my favorite exit. It's so comedic to get
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  Speaker 3: caught and then just run away.
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  Speaker 5: It's such something a teenage or twenty year old like
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  Speaker 5: boy would do who just didn't know how to deal
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  Speaker 5: with like a situation.
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  Speaker 1: Someone in their twenties.
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  Speaker 5: J Yeah, Actually the story is less funny now that
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  Speaker 5: I realized maybe I was a little older.
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  Speaker 3: No, it's very funny to me, and honestly, and I
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  Speaker 3: think if you're your twenties, you're still a baby.
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  Speaker 2: But sure, I just I would recommend this to adults today.
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  Speaker 3: I'm telling all, if you get caught, you know you're
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  Speaker 3: not a good liar, just sprint away, Just sprint.
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  Speaker 5: Away, sprint away. And so yeah, then they kind of
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  Speaker 5: caught on and it ended. But I guess I've always
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  Speaker 5: felt this was a gray area with the scam. I'd
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  Speaker 5: like to get your thoughts, because you know, if you
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  Speaker 5: got a present as a gift during that point, you
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  Speaker 5: could just bring it back to borders and return it.
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  Speaker 5: And then they would still sell it. You know, I
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  Speaker 5: wasn't actually going in and stealing anything. I was just
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  Speaker 5: getting store credit, and you didn't need a receipt, So
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  Speaker 5: I don't you know, I knew where the books came from,
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  Speaker 5: but I could have not known and just taken them there.
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  Speaker 3: Let me ask this, Okay, so does borders did they
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  Speaker 3: sell like older books? Did they sell anything that was
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  Speaker 3: or was it like all fresh news?
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  Speaker 5: I think was all fresh new. But I still think
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  Speaker 5: I think that they resold these books as like part
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  Speaker 5: of their inventory because then towards the end they would
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  Speaker 5: like they would look it up and be like, we
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  Speaker 5: don't sell this book. We can't give you credit for it.
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  Speaker 5: Like I think they kind of caught on.
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  Speaker 3: Oh so that's interesting to me because if they made
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  Speaker 3: a coin off of it, then it got store credit
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  Speaker 3: right right, it depending on how much, because I guess
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  Speaker 3: like for some reason, we're like use books.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like if the book.
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  Speaker 3: Looks good, if it doesn't look like you took it
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  Speaker 3: in and like WrestleMania and did like those elbow you know,
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  Speaker 3: like stopping on this ship, then like it's a book,
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  Speaker 3: Like I'm gonna get the same value out of it
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  Speaker 3: as I would have if it was fresh. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm on your side regardless because scam up fucking corporation
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  Speaker 3: and you're a professional musician.
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  Speaker 2: So look, you were doing what you had to do
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  Speaker 2: to get where you need to go.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was getting research. I was learning about new influences,
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  Speaker 5: you know, and CDs were expensive back then, and like
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  Speaker 5: I said, I was getting imports. I couldn't afford that stuff.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean I think it. But then borders
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  Speaker 5: did catch on and then they went out of business.
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  Speaker 3: But also your friend's sister also a flag for me,
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  Speaker 3: because why were you hated? Like if you if I
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  Speaker 3: see anybody I know coming to a place of business
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  Speaker 3: that I work at and they are like they got
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  Speaker 3: a fake ID, they're doing some shit.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna do my job. Yeah, look the other way.
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  Speaker 4: Really almost did that, Jonah. But you gots freaked out, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I said, IHI right.
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  Speaker 5: No, she was curious why I was using a fake
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  Speaker 5: I need a return, probably like a book made for
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  Speaker 5: middle aged people. But I think that I think it
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  Speaker 5: might have been on her part just also just curiosity,
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  Speaker 5: like what like what are you doing? Maybe not you're
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  Speaker 5: doing something wrong, but this just doesn't seem like something
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  Speaker 5: a normal person would do, Like this isn't what why
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  Speaker 5: people use fake id's.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, she could ask all the questions later, yeah, could I.
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  Speaker 2: Read all.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then when you have a private moment, like
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  Speaker 4: a week later whatever, she could call you and say like, so,
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  Speaker 4: why were you going.
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  Speaker 5: By Paul right right right right right then? Yeah? So yeah,
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  Speaker 5: so but that was sort of like my big scam.
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  Speaker 5: And this was a scam me and my friend Dan
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  Speaker 5: pulled for like a while, like a whole school year,
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  Speaker 5: I think, until they caught on, and so we got
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  Speaker 5: a lot of CDs and it was it was just
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  Speaker 5: like what do you want to do on the weekend.
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  Speaker 5: It's like I guess we go to one Books, buy
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  Speaker 5: all these books, take them. The borders was like down
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  Speaker 5: the road. We'd just drive right over and it was
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  Speaker 5: like it was a story scheme. Yeah.
• 10:00
  Speaker 3: That was the time where businesses would they were more thirsty,
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  Speaker 3: you know, for our business. So they were like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: you can return because north Stroms had a similar policy,
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  Speaker 3: which they don't anymore. Where it was like there was
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  Speaker 3: always this mythical story that someone returned attired to north Shrum's.
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  Speaker 3: But I do know for a fact that my boyfriend
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  Speaker 3: in college had an old, old ass North Fitch jacket
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  Speaker 3: that he did not get at nord Strimps, and he
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  Speaker 3: went to north Strims and he returned it and like
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  Speaker 3: exchanged it and got a brand new jacket.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So they were at the time doing that, and then
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  Speaker 3: once people started abusing it, they were like, all right,
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  Speaker 3: fuck this. They're like Scooty's customers, let's get everything we
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  Speaker 3: can out of them.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: You go into stores, they're like, what do you want?
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  Speaker 5: And that's so interesting to me because going clothes shopping
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  Speaker 5: is like not fun for me at all, Like it's.
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  Speaker 1: Not something I totally totally.
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  Speaker 5: So then you're putting another barrier there.
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  Speaker 4: Right, It's like the last thing I want to do
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  Speaker 4: when I'm shopping is see anyone. I do like to shop,
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  Speaker 4: but I don't want to ever run into anyone.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I just want to get through it.
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  Speaker 5: I just read an article about like in Brooklyn, like
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  Speaker 5: and Muynsberg and stuff, they have these like designer gyms
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  Speaker 5: now where it's like three thousand dollars a month and
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  Speaker 5: like you have to apply to get in and it's
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  Speaker 5: like kind of like a social thing. I think this
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  Speaker 5: is like the way kind of like I don't know
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  Speaker 5: if it's social media or just media are going with
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  Speaker 5: like this exclusivity for people, and I do not like it.
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  Speaker 2: For the record, No, yeah, no, we've seen it too
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  Speaker 2: with the drops like I love Beyonce, but those Ivy
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  Speaker 2: Park drops. I was like, sweetie, where is where are
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  Speaker 2: the clothes?
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  Speaker 3: Like where are I'm trying to give you my money
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  Speaker 3: Beyonce like I always do, and I can't find it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: So it's I want that to go away. Just let
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  Speaker 3: us enjoy things. The world is ending. So Vanessa, you
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  Speaker 3: are up at bed. What is your relationship with Oh
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  Speaker 3: I scam? I've been scamming since I was a kid.
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  Speaker 4: I'll say I love to scam. I My current scam
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  Speaker 4: as an adult is that, you know, it's it's pretty
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  Speaker 4: particular to restaurants, and it will be that when I'm
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  Speaker 4: eating at a restaurant and someone recognizes me from usually
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  Speaker 4: from Saturday Night Live, but any of the projects I've done,
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  Speaker 4: I can kind of tell, Okay, sometimes they'll say something,
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  Speaker 4: but sometimes I can just tell.
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  Speaker 5: How can you tell?
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  Speaker 6: Is it a certain like a certain it's a stare.
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  Speaker 4: It's like sometimes people are just so nice to you
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  Speaker 4: in a way that you would love. I would love
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  Speaker 4: to think you know that they're just being nice to
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  Speaker 4: me because they're in a great mood that it just
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  Speaker 4: you just feel like this person's job is too hard
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  Speaker 4: there for them to be so nice in this moment.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know you're not. That's not gross at all.
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  Speaker 3: I went through a restaurant and didn't even notice it
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  Speaker 3: recently where the server just like would not leave our
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  Speaker 3: table like she was like they had those automatic like
• 12:50
  Speaker 3: POS systems on their like in their hands where you
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  Speaker 3: can type in the menu almost like on a phone
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  Speaker 3: or the order, and so she was like typing in
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  Speaker 3: the order there standing there, would not leave, have coming
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  Speaker 3: back and just standing there. And we were like we
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna talk like yeah, like if I were a surveillancy,
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  Speaker 3: and none of it. Neither of us realized like, oh
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  Speaker 3: maybe it was because she recognized you were me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very funny. So I don't think that's
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  Speaker 2: weird at all.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, Well, so the next time this happens to you, Lacy,
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  Speaker 4: you should do my scam. Okay, So, once you realize
• 13:23
  Speaker 4: that the server knows that they know who you are,
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  Speaker 4: they like, you, this is what you do at the well.
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  Speaker 4: You can do it earlier in the meal too, but
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  Speaker 4: it's especially to me. Works on dessert. At the end
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  Speaker 4: of the meal, they're like, what do you want for dessert?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you say two things that you're between, So you say, like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm between you know, the chocolate cake and the Tiramie sue,
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  Speaker 1: and you say which one is better? Which one this is?
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  Speaker 1: You know, they have to be pretty into you, but.
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  Speaker 4: Out okay, okay, but it's obviously too late, but they go,
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  Speaker 4: you go, which one do you like better? And they'll
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  Speaker 4: go hmm, They'll go, I think, go with the Teremi
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  Speaker 4: sue and you go like, you go, great, okay, we'll
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  Speaker 4: get the Urmy sue. Cut to a few minutes later,
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  Speaker 4: they're bringing the desserts out and they brought you both,
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  Speaker 4: and they go, we brought you the Temy sue, but
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  Speaker 4: we also wanted you to try the chocolate cake because
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  Speaker 4: it's so good.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like giving. It's like, it's such a disgusting
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  Speaker 1: scam I do.
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  Speaker 4: But everybody who's worked with me at any point knows
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  Speaker 4: that I love free stuff. It's like my it's like
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  Speaker 4: freest for me, it's the best. So that's how you
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  Speaker 4: get a free dessert, and I do you have to
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  Speaker 4: pay for one dessert?
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  Speaker 1: Yes? Does it sometimes backfire because.
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  Speaker 4: I've had this happen where I've been like, uh, then
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  Speaker 4: I'll be like, I really want both, and I'm really
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  Speaker 4: counting on getting both desserts. So then they bring out
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  Speaker 4: I go, I'll have the tiermy soon, and then they
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  Speaker 4: bring out the tiermy souon and I'm like, and I.
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: Guess we will get the the cake too, you know, like,
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: I like, damn it. But it generally works. It generally works.
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: The moment you have a server who you think recognizes you,
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: you should just ask them so many questions and say
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: you're between a lot of things that can work with
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: the savory stuff you eat before dessert too, and then
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: they'll generally bring you everything you asked about.
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: I love this.
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: I feel like there's a certain amount of engagement you
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: have to do with the person too, because if you're like, oh,
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: I'm just in between these two, they might be like, oh,
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: well that's great.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: I'm like you're like, ah, oh okay, but how much
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: cinnamon is on this? Yeah? And then well that is spicy.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: That's The thing about us, Lacy is we're performers.
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: We have no problem what I find Yeah, so fascinating
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: about this this scam from it and uh, you know,
• 15:45
  Speaker 5: I work in mental health. Like from a psychology perspective,
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: is like you're you're almost putting this idea in their heads.
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: So it seems like they thought of it, like you're
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: setting it up. So they're thinking, Okay, Vanessa can't decide
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: this and this, Oh I want to do something, Oh,
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: I'll put it, and so they think that they came
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: up with it, when in reality, you almost like put
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: it in their mind right right, right right, really really interesting.
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: It's it's a high level intellectual scam.
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: Well that's a very generous way of putting it. You
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: can also say I'm very manipulative.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: That is. Look, it's not our fault. We're professional liars.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: I mean that's what that's living.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: What we do.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: We gotta be good at it. But but this doesn't
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: even feel that. It's not like the servers losing anything.
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: I'm right asking the manager to write it out the check.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: We would do that kind of stuff all the time
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: because back in the day when I worked in restaurants,
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: really really famous people like I used to wait on
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: Paul McCartney all the time. You whoa me, Yeah, And
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: one time he was when the season was over. This
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: was in the Hamptons. She was like, see, you know,
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: you're really going to rise up amongst the service. And
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: I was like, Paul, I don't want to be No,
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: I don't want to start for the rest of my
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: life though. But I'm sure I've said that it's some
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: poet on this podcast years ago, but you know, like
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: you kind of learned the vibes or whatever.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I think this is great.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: Also now I want to ask something on top of
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: it and be like, I've heard such good things about
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: this restaurant, so oh, I just want to make sure
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: I order all the right things because everybody was telling
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: me it was so good.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: That's that's that's the way to do it with all.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: I feel like, with all the those kinds of scams,
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: it's you got to be so complimentary. I mean I
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: even do that when I try and return stuff past
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: the return date.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: I was warming that up into a threat though, because
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: I was like, it's so good, and like, I recommend
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: restaurants all the time, so I hoping I'm hoping it's
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: so good.
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: Can I Can I give another scam that I that
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: I did recently, just because it just came to my mind.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: There's a very famous cookie company in New York and
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: I I'm not going to say what the name of
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: it is, but it's going to have probably become pretty obvious.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: They're really big cookies. They look like scones. Anyway, Yeah,
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: not too much, not too much. Keep going okay, keep
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: it going right. So I was in New York. I
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: tried these cookies for the first time. There was a
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: hair in one of my cookies. I messaged them on
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: Instagram and I said, Hey, there was a hair in
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: one of my cookies.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: And I gave them the location of the store.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: And I was like, I just I know, this isn't
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: how you guys weren I did exactly what you're talking about.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: I was like, I know, you guys are such a
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: like wonderful company. This isn't how you run your business,
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: you know. So I just wouldn't want people to like
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: And then I gave it. And then I gave a
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: threat and I said I wouldn't. I just wouldn't want
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: this to get out there like I am like this,
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: I think myself was a nice person. I still kind
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: of can't believe I did this. And so then because
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: I just wanted free be a shame if somebody so
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: that something like, yeah, I just don't want people to
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: start thinking that you guys aren't that. I didn't really
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: specify that I would like tweet about it or anything,
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: but I just I did mess with it. Uh So
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: then they wrote back, they were like, oh my god,
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: we're so so sorry. We'd love to send you a
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: box of free cookies, like, just give us the address
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: and like, you know what flavor you want. So I
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: think when I wrote back about the flavor, like they
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: could tell I was being too specific about the flavor.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: And I think they're kind of caught on the like,
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: now there really was a hair in my cookie. I
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: wasn't making that up and it was disgusting. Did I
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: eat around it a little bit? Okay, you should there.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: But the point is that I that I that I
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: kind of threatened to like most about them they are
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: you know whatever. And then and then they said they'd
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: send me cookies and then guess what, they never did it.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: WHOA, see, that's messed up because you actually did the
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: nice thing and just d M them versus getting on
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: Twitter and taking a picture of cookie and be like, damn,
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: I thought this was a nice cookie place, but they're
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: kind of hearing my ass, my.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Fucking a ship all over the cookie.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: Now they're opening a store in la and I'm thinking
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: about showing my uh Instagram exchange to them.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, just go in the store and get you
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: a hair free cookie. No, you deserve a hair.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Well I kind of want a whole box, but yes, but.
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: That'sa I actually also did another cookie scam where in
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: New York. This is a more lighthearted scam where uh
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: we would go into like.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Uh bodega or something, bodega together.
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: Or something, and Vanessa would want cookies and I wasn't
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: really into desserts so much, especially at that point in
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: my life when we were living in New York, and she'd
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: be like, Jonah, you really want a cookie, Joa, We're
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: gonna get you this. Like basically it was trying to
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: use me.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: Jonah, you want to get three cookies. That's a lot,
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: and they would all.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Be for me.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: I feel like you do need to bring Jonah because
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: it's kind of weird if it's just like you pop
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: up with this DM. But if you're like walking he
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: walks in first, you're kind of scraggling behind you, and
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: then when he's ordering, you're like, oh, nothing for me.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Remember those DMS I had with this something I can't
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: even believe.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: We're in here. And then they'll be like what happened? Yeah,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: and then you can show it.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Why I'm invested in this. I want this to happen.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: I'll be your lackey. I live in LA I'll come
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: and be like, no, girl, I know your last experience
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: was so bad, but this was gonna be good.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's what I need that. We'll put on full
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: show and we'll get lots of free cookies.
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: And you know another way to get free stuff, Lacey,
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: And I don't know if this is this isn't really scam.
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: But sometimes I'll write companies and just tell them I
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: like your products, Yes you do that. There's like a
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: pickle company I really like in Massachusetts and I just
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: wrote them an emails like I really like these pickles,
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: and they just sent me coupon for free jar pickles
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: and then I lost it, didn't use it for a year,
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: wrote them back and was like I lost this coupon
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: it expired, can you send me a new one? And
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: they never wrote me back, but sent me a new
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: one and I used it.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: That's really sweet to say weed inflation. I feel like
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: a lot of companies now would be like.
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: Thanks, Yeah, you know what. You'll sometimes get a four
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: email that's like, thank you for the kind words to
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: our product, you know when and you know they know
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: you know, like this is just like a really nice
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: rejection letter, like it's not gonna work with us, but
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: once in a while, once in a while, you send
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: some positivity out there, it comes right back to you.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: I love that scarce.
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: God.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: And speaking of positivity or maybe negativity, we don't know yet.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: It's time for What's Hot and fraud.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: This is where we warn our listeners about popping scams
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: and the zeitgeist. More often than not, we get a
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: letter from you all always snitch on your friend's family
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: and your enemies at scam Gootesspott at gmail dot com.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Just make sure the scam is retired because we don't
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: want to what Yes, fuck up your bag?
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Amen?
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Uh So from Youtwoe Vanessa Jonah. I just need a
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: fake name. Gender doesn't matter. We don't it's a construct,
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: so a fake name. It could be anything for this
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: letter Darla.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, I like Darla. You never meet any darlastener. I know.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: That's why I kind of thought of it.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: If you're pregnant right now, consider Darla.
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it does sound like that.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: No, now you have to tell me if you're pregnant. Listening, like,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: please name your baby what we asked?
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: So the scam Darla says. Big corporations are scam and
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: we all know it. But which ones make us get assaulted?
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: Then do nothing about it? Upside down smolly face. Oh no,
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: not y'all's getting beat up.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Oh lordy.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: So when I worked at a corporation as a manager,
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: I had to help customers stock and everything like that.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: But where it gets shitty is when a customer walks
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: in and starts stealing something. The corporation makes the manager
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: stay with them the entire time in parentheses to see
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: what they steal, get a good description of them and
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: what their getaway vehicle looks like, et cetera. I don't
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: mind the people who steal from the store because get
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: your coin, girl, and food corporations, I'm not that's right. Also, like,
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: why are they trying to make you detect a vision,
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: like why do you have to do doom doom?
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Doom doom?
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Why are you doing criminal intent? No, that's not your
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: job description. Like if I went to a meeting and
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: they were like, hey, so word or what are they
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: called interviews? I was gonna go on an audition and
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: I was like, no, it's meeting. That's not at either.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: But if I went into an interview and they were like, hey,
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: so you look like great management material. How are your hands?
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Are you a strong fighter? Like that's only the interview
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: for waffle house, yeah, but anywhere else? Yeah, but may
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: this is a sophora like keeping a knife on me?
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Right, it feels weird.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: It feels very weird. Street Have you either of you
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: worked in retail?
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: Yes, I have, And I worked at Kids Are Us
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: when I was in high school and we did an
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: episode about about it, and yeah, we would have to
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: be on the lookout for people and sometimes there would
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: be people and I, yeah, I didn't really care.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: But also Kids are Or is it like toys rs?
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: And they just sell toys.
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: They sell kids clothes? Oh, they sell clothes. But yeah,
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: sometimes it would happen. But it was also like very
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: specific rules on like what you couldn't. You weren't allowed
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: to chase anyone. You weren't allowed, you know. I was
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: also like in high school, so I didn't really it
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: didn't happen that much at our store. But that feels
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: like that should be a different job, right, Like.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it feels like you're too cheap to hire security, right, Yes,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: what's the bootleg Abercrombie air Postele. I worked at Airpostle
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: in college for maybe like two weeks because honey, I'm
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: very disorganized and I'm not good at phoning cla. I
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: was just there on vibes and personality, and I remember
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: my manager she was like, yeah, if like people come in,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: there's these rings, these step rings of people stealing if
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: they come in, Like, this is what we do. And
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: she was like when I worked at Rainbow, like I
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: would chase the girls out to the park lot and
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: get the stuff back. And I say, miss, you were
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: risking your life for Rainbow.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that's yes.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: I'm never my life for Gucci. I'm definitely not risking
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: for Rainbow.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: And I worked at another place where after I left,
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: I found out the managers were actually stealing from from
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: the from the store. Yeah, they had their own scam going.
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: And so it's like, yeah, I don't know, you got
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: what am I supposed to keep my eye on? Everyone
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: works there every you know, it's just too much.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: It's like I'm trying to get it for you to
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: have to do the chasing and.
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: Then you know, and and the other thing about working
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: in kids are so is they would check our bags
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: every night when we left work, which, you know, looking back,
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: feels like a little that's pretty like, yeah, if you.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Are stealing kids clothing, you probably need it for your kids, Like.
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: Let those right, I don't know.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: I also I was like a sixteen year old kid
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: with like jinkos, Like it's like piercings, like I like
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: the last thing I wanted was like overalls for like
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: a six year old kid. Like I was just working
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: there because all my friends were. There's the only place
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: I would hire us.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: And if I do want baby overalls, I'm a stick
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: them in my pants. So I'm getting away with it.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah we're young. You think we're gonna put in our bags?
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: You idiots?
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Give up stuff My brawl with it talking about I'll
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: find a way to steal if I really want to,
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: so there's no reason to check me.
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: But yeah, I understand this concern. I mean, I get,
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: you know, lost prevention. I get like they probably lose
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: a lot of money the corporation, But yeah, I agree,
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: it shouldn't be on the employees.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: And they have insurance and like they specifically budget for theft,
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: so it's really not our responsibility.
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: And like you're saying, can be really dangerous and so like,
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: you know, you don't put someone in a position where
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: they could, you know, get hurt.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so Darles says, I don't mind people who steal
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: from corporations, right because fuck them. But one time people
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: were stealing and I stayed with them. I was silent
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: the whole time. I didn't provoke them or anything. Then
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: they physically assaulted me. Yeah, we did a police report
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: and I filed a complaint to the company about how
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: they should lock up their highly stolen goods or even
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: get a security guard. But surprise, they did nothing. All
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: they care about is what they can fit on their
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: shelves to make a profit. Every day around the country,
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: this company has their associates take the abuse from people stealing,
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: and no one does anything I feel bad for anyone
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: who works for them. Also, they make like twelve dollars
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: an hour, which is not enough. So Darla, I want
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: to say one thank you for writing in this letter
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: to Darla baby girl. That was a lawsuit right there.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: You had a clean ass lawsuit. You filed a police report,
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: you had specific instructions to follow this person around the store.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: You didn't provoke the situation. That's the liability of the company.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know how long ago this happened, but you
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: might't want to call Brian long car or just drop
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: around your car, get an appugatto girl.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Because they're on the benches, they on the know, they
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: on the billboards.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: Just drop around and spind the block in your car
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: and get yourself an abogado. Get a lawyer because this
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: is open a shit.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: Yes, one hundred percent, she's in the right or he
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: Darla isn't the right and should absolutely sue if if
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: it wasn't too long ago to do that.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Or they have a strong case. I'm like Darla forural,
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: I'll be a lawyer. I got an analyse keating Bob
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: right now, Okay, let's go.
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: Yes, and Darla, if you want to reach out to
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: me Vanessa privately. We have a segment in our podcast
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: called ceo Takedown, So if you want to let us
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: know who this corporation is, we'll take down their CEO.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah oh yes.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: But also this policy normally in retail has been revoked.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: But that's why they instruct us specifically not to pursue
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: because it would be a liability on the store. So yeah, Darla,
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: if they're still doing this to this, yes, they still
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: open for business.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Darla, get your coins.
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you got to get someone to even
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: get a razor at CVS they keep that thing locked up,
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: you know, like if this is really high end stuff,
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: they should have a system or not not put the
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: employees in danger.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Yes, and what do they think would happen if someone
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: is following someone who's obviously stealing around a store, Like
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: but yeah that yeah, like.
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: I guess they think it's a deterrent. But you know
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: that do you know that that it's a total joke.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: It's a total show.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: It isn't.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: As a black person who gets followed around stores a lot,
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: I would say, it's also just fucking weird, Like yeah,
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: like what if you're not stealing, you're just picking up
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: small items and then they're just following you around.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: They do that all the time.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: I'm very cognizant of it, Like I'll get a basket,
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: or I'll make sure my hands are free and my
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: bag isn't close to what I'm holding. Like, there's so
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: many things that we all do to avoid the harassment that.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Comes with being black.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: I'm like, La, La, La, I'm here. Oh wow, can't
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: wait to purchase with money?
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Like, so, yeah, sorry about that, Darla, but you've got
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: a case girl, yes someone.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: I also really want to know who what this corporation is.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: But I maybe we can talk about it later just
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: so I.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Yes, you gotta snitch on them privately.
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: She never said right, that's right, darling.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Darla wasn't taking no risks, which I'm like, Darling, when
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: you start, you don't work there.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: We're really trying to get.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: Come on, Darla, you gotta go, like maybe take a
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: little bit of time, hire a great attorney, or you know, you.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Just gotta be a statute of limitations. I feel like
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: we're good here. How much law school do you need
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: to represent somebody? Darling, I'm trying to represent you. I
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: feel like I could get this done. I've seen lots
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: of law and order.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Could darling small claims court and then you wanted to.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Go to Judge Judy.
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: I don't know. This is exactly small claims.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: That's big.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: That's right, because I was going to say that you
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: could go with her to a small claims court and
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: be sort of not her attorney per se, but kind
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: of her, you know, just like court.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm trying to be the attorney's Also, this
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: is a small claim that's like five thousand dollars or less.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: I feel like Darla could get the bag here.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: This is a bit.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: This is a big job for a big attorney, and
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: I think that attorney is you.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: I agree with as I hard agree Bob run And
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: it's time for historic hoodwinks.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: This is where I'm gonna regale Jonah and b Nestle
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: with the famous kind Caper group of criminals we don't
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: know yet, and we're gonna get their opinions all through out.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: There is a content warning up top. There are some
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: mentions of domestic abuse, and there is a brief mention
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: of animal abuse, suicide and addiction, as you all know
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: on this podcast, and we keep it light so these
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: things will be handled with care, but we don't want
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: to upset anyone because this is a fun show, all right.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: So today we're talking about the lady bandit, Pearl Heart.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: She was known as one of the wildest bandits in
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: the wild West. She owned a wildcat as a pet,
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: smoke ccars, wore men's trousers, and carried around a pair
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: of cult revolvers.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Whether she was the first.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: Or last woman to rob a stagecoast, Pearl was one
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: of the most infamous lady criminals of and she's like
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: a Western legend. So this is Lady Pearl. Oh yes,
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: it's given Battye. And look at the post. She was like, yeah,
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: I'm lady Pearl. How long did it take to take
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: this photo? It was eighteen seventy one. I feel like
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: she had to sit there for a good three hours, right, yeah.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Time This is just a clear photo for that time series.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: And she was like, I don't care, I sit here
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: like this all day because you both take that, take that,
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: get this pose.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: I just want to really quickly say, she had a
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: wild cat as a pet. Isn't that sort of the
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: same as having Is that the same as having like
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: a bobcat. Yeah, like or like even like a small
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: tiger or something.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Like is it?
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: Why just because she's tough? How does the wildcat know
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: not to attack?
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: I guess it felt her energy.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: It felt her energy, okay, her Babbage energy, and was like,
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: oh no, I'll eat everybody else, but not lady.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know that. I think the author of this
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: made that up to make her seem tough.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Right, just sprinkled it in.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, because that doesn't she also owned a lion.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly. It's like, we get it.
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: You know, she doesn't have to own a wildcat, sir.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: I'm getting mad at the author. Okay, we get it.
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: You don't have to add anything else.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: No, I like it.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: She has scissors, but hand that's a movie. Pearl Hart
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: was born Lily Naomi Davy on April nineteenth, eighteen seventy one,
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: in the lumber community of Lindsay in Ontario, Canada.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Wow, she's a badass Canadian. You're nice.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: Also, I love when people change their names. That's the
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: marks of a criminal for me.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Change both.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: So.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Her father, Albert Davy, was a violent alcoholic who likely
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: abused his wife and daughters. Neither Albert nor his wife
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: Anna Davy could read nor write. Compounded by having a
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: household of nine children, the family struggled to make ends meet. Ooh,
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: they couldn't read or write, but they definitely was sex
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: and yeah they knew that. Nine Oh my god, yankes.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: So.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: Albert even once served fifteen days in jail for kicking
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: Ann and the children out of the family home and
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: forcing them to live on the street begging for food.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: Albert is a nasty maid. I hate clearly.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: I love how quickly Vanessa four. I mean, this one
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: is easy. This is a layer. Yeah, but the cat
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: thing was also like she was like she had it lies.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: So Lily, along with her other siblings, resorted to petty
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: crime for survival and were routinely housed in juvenile detention facilities.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: I know in the eighteen hundreds they had juvenile detention facilities. Boy,
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: this country or this is Canada, but you know the world.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: They love some jail.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: They were like, yeah, gonna do infit fire and then
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: a look cage to put people in next, and then
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: the wheel.
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: I feel like this should have been higher priorities at
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: this time than like little jails, little baby jails, So
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: Lily's brothers, including the toddler, went on minor thefts breeze.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: While Lily and her sisters worked as prostitutes. The toddler
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: was doing thefts.
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: Okay, what kind of crimes is the toddler doing.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Toddlers are fast, Yeah, toddler, they got fast. I bet
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: got little hands.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: I bet that toddler is being helped by an older
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: kid who was like, have you this is a great
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: scan they could do. Have you seen my little brother?
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: He is going walking up the street and then when
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: the prisoners around you just grab their wallet and then
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: you go, oh, whatever their brother's name is, let's say
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: it's Timmy, Timmy, you know, go, let's go. I gave
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: you a full impression of what I think they did.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Didn't need start. It's a good wood. Thank you so much,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: I was thinking little baby Timmy was out on his own,
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: just pickpocketed with his little baby hands.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: But that's very cartoonish presented works.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: You gotta Timmy's the distraction, the toddler, the toddler Timmy,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: and who knows.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: How to do his job?
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and wait, wait does until you see what kind
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: of nightmare he turned into or a smart scam artist.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: They two things can be true.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: Okay, two things can be true. Yeah, And at some
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: point the family moved to the United States. Well because
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you're gonna be scamming, you gotta come
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: to the land. Yes, that was an upgrade. That's where
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: your real work is. You know how people have to
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: move to other countries. It's like it's just a bigger industry,
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: is Hollywood. It was a bigger scam industry in the.
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: N't scam in Canada. You got to come to the
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: US if you want to be a real scam artist.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: That's where all the garbage people live.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: You can really do some crime over here, Timmy, go
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: clean the fuck up. Okay, we love to see it.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: So they moved. When Lily was fifteen, she tried and
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: fail to marry a thirty six year old carpenter from
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: New York. Well, I'm glad that that failed me too.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: Oh wait, it says though that marriage failed, so I
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: guess they did get married.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is insane.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Or maybe though the marriage failed, like the marriage attemped.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: So though the marriage, can I just.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: Say that this writer is like not like doing their
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: best because first they throw in the wildcat thing. Aren't
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: gonna explain it. There's no she had a wildcat. Don't
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: worry about it. It's like, I'm gonna worry about it.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: That's cool, and maybe it comes back.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: Says the marriage failed. Did they get married or didn't they?
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: That's not great.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: She tried and failed.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: She tried failed to get married.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Is that like every breakup I've ever had? Yeah, I
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: tried to get married too.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Marriage failed usually means there was a marriage, maybe they
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: were getting married and then they had toddler, Timmy be
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: a distraction and then look over there and then she
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: just took off.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Right, Timmy's always somehow involved.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: But also like, I also like your idea.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: See that, anytime you have a breakup, you go the
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: marriage failed.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: The marriage failed. I tried. I was trying.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: We were both trying for marriage and it failed. Because
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, isn't that essentially what it is?
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: What it is?
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: And you're trying for marriage, y'all try to get out
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: there and really devastate.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: The girls and be like, oh, my marriage failed.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: It's like when someone lived in uh, like, studied in
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: a foreign country for three weeks and they talk about
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: when they lived there.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: Yes, and I'm guilty of that. I was there for
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: three and a half months. I be like, when I
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: lived in London, but I didn't live there. I was
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: alive there at the time.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: You lived in London and then when you left your
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: marriage failed.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, my tempted marriage failed.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Why do we need to use every single word?
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: You know? It is time?
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: No, okay, come on the internet now, they'd be using
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: like three letters to represent three words.
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: Let me say about those, I gotta always look them up.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: I never know when there's three words, I'm like, what
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: will do? Like, I don't ever know.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: I have a need to be cool, So I stare
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: at it for a while in context, and then I
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: get it, and then I just start using it myself,
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: like be for real and it's just like bf R yes,
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: and then lots of rs if it's like you real.
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: Man, I feel like it's the worst is when you
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: look it up and then something so obvious, yes, you
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: just could not figure out.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: It's kind of devastating to be like I couldn't get.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: It in like black language, they're never obvious unless you're black. Really, Like,
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: people don't just be saying bee for real, right, right,
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: So if you not BF.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: You'd be like, why Brad, I don't know what this is? Oh?
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Bee for real?
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: I got it, and then I started using it like
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: I knew the whole time, right right, but like FFS
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: is like for Fox's sake.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would never get that. I I mean, I smh.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: I have looked up so many times now I know
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: it's shaking my head. But I used to think it.
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: I was like, I don't know what this means.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: That's what I l y. That one's a general yes, yeah, yeah,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: I love you.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: If you don't know any of these there, get start
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: using them now like you always knew, and then gas
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: like your friends when they're like us in a group chat,
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: and then your friends like what.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Are you saying?
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: Be like you don't, you don't, you don't get on.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: You're not a hip you know what I mean? Now
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: you're hipp It.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Would be fun to just make a bunch, yeah, to
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: just make them up and see who can follow.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: Oh, I want to make one up. I'm gonna try it.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: So even though her attempted marriage failed, Lily who is
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: our pearl heart, but we're going by her given name
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: right now, Okay, Lily would go on to have many husbands,
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: sometimes officially wedded, sometimes not, often under a different name. Eventually,
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: Lily and her sister Katie ran away from home to
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: get away from their father, which good on, y'all.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Because he was trash.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: They cut their hair short and donned men's clothing to
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: escape detection and attention on the road.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I like it.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: So Lily even got her name Pearl Heart. It was
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: from a madam that she worked under in Buffalo, New York.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: So this isn't even like a name she made up.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: She just stole somebody name.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: Wow. Oh wow, wow wow wow. Okay, okay what I'm
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: just like, Vanessa Bayer.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: That's such a beautiful name. And then like you see
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: me in a few weeks, I'm like, hey, I'm Vanessa.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: I did do that.
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: My manager sent me an article once. God, in some
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: other country this woman got arrested and she said her
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: name was Vanessa Bayer. And I don't know if it
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: had to do, but like my managers were like, this
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: is this weird thing that happened. It's I think it's fine.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: Like we talked to like your lawyer about like it's not.
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: But it was I bet I could find it. It
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: was so weird.
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: It was I didn't know about that. I would like.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: To see it.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: I think I must have been still on Essen.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: I was probably pretty busy when it happened, and I
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: just sort of was like, Okay, if it's fine, it's fine.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: But yeah, somebody did that. Somebody did that one we.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Try to leave the country. Your passports were both. Yeah,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: I mean it was.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: It was kind of like, what's going on here? Yeah, exactly.
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: But I also it could have just been a random
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: name that they picked. I can't remember what country it
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: was in, but yeah, anyway.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Wow, I love that for them a little bit.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, because Lisa, do you know that I have
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: a show called I Love That for You? Oh yeah,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: and you.
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: I was listening to some of your other episodes, and
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: I love that you say that phrase so much. Yes,
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: it's the best phrase, but I love that you say
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: that phrase.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: I love that I love that for you, that you
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: say that phrase, because it's really Also, because I'll tell
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: you this, we really went back and forth between I
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: love this for you and I Love that for you,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: And obviously the one that gets used the most is
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: I love that for you. Because this has to be
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: so specific, like.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys made a great choice, you made the
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: right choice. Y'all hit it, y'all got it with that one.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: Because but and I also love I love that for you,
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: because it can genuinely mean like, oh that's great, yes,
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: go off, or it could be like I love that
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: for you.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it can be very passive aggressive totally totally I.
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: Say it more like I lt F y and then.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Ja, that's our new one.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: We have to all start using it at once, over
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: and over and over again, yes, until we can get
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: everyone to conform. So Pearl Heart went on to travel
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: across the country with a variety of smaller criminals and delinquents,
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: including Charles Dan, a streetcar breakeman by day and a
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: burglar by night. That sounds like I love that so much,
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: because yeah, you have a day profession, and then burglary
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: obviously is something you should be doing at night.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: So that's a great night job.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And I love that they.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: Call them smaller criminals as if she's like an A
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: list criminal and they're just.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: Like I know, are they just smaller in the sense
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: that they just burglar and they don't fake their identities.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: It's like, who's to say, I guess.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what's a little golm invasion?
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, Burgl, Burgl. Because I also think, well, okay, let's
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: keep going.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: I've got a lot of thoughts and I want them.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: So she drank like the men, smoked like the men,
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: indulged in morphine and carry a pair of six shooter revolvers.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: I love indulged in morphine because at the time, I'm
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: sure it was just like now we know it's super
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: were terrible, yeah, you know, yeah for your body.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: But they were like, yeah, we would have a shot.
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: It is funny that they were like, do you want
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: to drink, Like, pass me a drink, and can you
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: give me like a little bit of morphine?
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Feels that morph over here? Yeah?
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah it's And I mean, this is not making
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: fun of addiction at all. It's just interesting to how
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: colloquially it was thrown in there and nowadays we would
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: take it a bit more serious.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Again, not one hundred percent on board with this writer. Okay,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: go ahead.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: So this writer is a fan for sure.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, okay. I love what this writer said though.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: Okay, so she her sister and whoever lovers they roped
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: it to being accomplices, would hold up tobacco stores, steal sugar, sex,
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: and commit mail fraud across the country. I wonder what
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: kind of mail fraud they were doing.
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean opening other people's mail, you think, right,
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: it had.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: To have been at this point they were just hitting
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: up a little stage folks.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: And then maybe.
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: But the thing is, I was gonna say, the only
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: real mail fraud I can think of is if you
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: open up someone's mail and then they had gotten like
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: a like a thing for a new credit card to
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: request a new credit card, and you filled it out,
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: and you got the credit card under their name and
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: you used it. But obviously we're in the eighteen hundreds here.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Oh there's tons of mail fraud.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Where is other mail fraud?
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: You can basically if you do anything through the mail,
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: like if you send wire transfer information, if you like,
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: solicit people with payments or letters or anything that.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Is connected to a scam, even if it's not the
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: scam itself.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: The US Postal they really be pulling up on people
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: and that is the reason that they end up going
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: to jail.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: That and wire fraud very often it's.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: Not the things that like, the things that get caught
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: with are like the smaller things.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: But in the eighteen hundreds, how do they do it?
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: But I guess it's what you said, which is like
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: they send a letter that's like, dear sir madam, I
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: am requesting however much money so that I can Yeah, it.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Could be that, or it could be stealing people's.
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: Mail, right, just stealing people's I mean that's probably the
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: most basic one that I had a really hard time
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: figuring out.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: But it also like I feel like stealing people's mail
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: back in the day. It's like, isn't that how people
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: communicate with people? Were far away up like another letter?
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing too, is like why do you
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: want some?
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: But but maybe some of the male maybe someone's money
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: had money and mails?
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, here money.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: So Pearl and her sister began to become so notorious
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: as criminals that when they would be caught, headlines such
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: as on the war Path, the notorious Davy Girls make
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: trouble for the police, hit the papers. I gotta do
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: that again because I didn't say it right. It's got
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: to be on the wall Path, the Notorious Davy Girls
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: make trouble for the police, like, it's definitely that, yes,
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: and the newspaper spins yeah, yeah.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm okay.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: So they were known for it. Okay, that sounds lightly misogynistic,
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: but I.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: Mean the thing is is like you can be known
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: for something in the time where there's no internet or
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: phones or any connectivity, and then the next town over
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: they don't know.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Who you are.
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: A right, I mean that was I mean, can you
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: imagine if we're all pulling off scams these days? Can
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: you imagine in the eighteen hundred, it's the level of
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: scams we could have gotten away with just yeah.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: I mean before the police started like sharing information across
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: the county's and like states, criminals would just do a
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: crime in what place and then they would.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: Move, Yes, totally stealing mail here, go to the next date,
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: stealing mail there like.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: A fresh start. I walked fifteen blacks matter.
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: So you could be on the same street, but it's
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: in a different county or whatever, and you're stealing mail
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: and maybe stared some cash in there.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: That rocks, but bad for the person whose cash it was, okay.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Right, which is why I tell you not to send
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: cash through the mail.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: So, However, despite her growing celebrity. Apparently all pearl Ever
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: wanted at first was total obscurecurity.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: So if I believe that, But yeah.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: Because look at these photos. This is not the pose
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: of someone who's like, don't look at me. I've never
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: seen a person cock their heads to the side of
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: her head who didn't want to be looked at.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: You know, what are you saying?
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: It's just the only thing of yeah, absolutely, the only
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: thing about I think her clothes are really cool. The
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: thing about you that I always forget about, like the
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: eighteen hundreds, is that they wore eighteen hundred style clothes
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: for utilitarian purposes kind of, and now we want to
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: dress like an eighteen hundredth person and wear the clothes
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: and we're we're just being you know, posers.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: I got, yeah, just for vibes, like we're not going
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: to get out there and shuck anything.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: But then to your point, the hat is like on
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: a very severe angle in a way that says fashion
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: to me, Notice me and notice my fashion.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe she was doing a fake humility like y'all
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: don't look at me.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah we should.
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: Maybe she was like, Okay, one more photo and then
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: I'm going into obscurity.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: So the events of May thirtieth, eighteen ninety nine would
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: make her one last photo I'm going into obscurity virtually impossible.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: So she was like, just one more.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: But then in May thirty she did some shit that
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: really made her a star. So Pearl was twenty eight
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: and working in the silver mining town of Globe, Arizona
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: at a brothel when she received word that her mother
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: was on her deathbed back in Kansas City. So she
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: better be glad nobody did mail fraud to her because
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: they'd be like, I'm not a lot of something about
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: breathing right. So she was desperate to go back home,
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: but didn't have the means for the trip. So Pearl
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: and her lover at the time, a former shoemaker from
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: Chicago named Joe Boo. Come out, Joe Boo, you were
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: born to do that.
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, this is no one has ever been
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: more made for their job.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: They hatched a plan they would hold up a stagecoach.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: So the evening of May thirtieth, eighteen ninety nine, Pearl,
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: dressed as a man, led the ambush. They robbed the
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: driver three passenger. They got four hundred and sixty nine dollars.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: This is old time money. So that's a bad Ooh
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: that's a lot pistols.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Go watch. And on her way out, she left each
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: passenger a dollar so they could afford lunch at their
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: destination because she was a benevolent queen.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, you could get a full lunch for
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: a dollar. That means that that four hundred and whatever
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: is going to be. That's four that's over four hundred lunches.
• 50:22
  Speaker 5: But also that's kind of I would say, a pretty
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: classy move.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: I like that move.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: I think so too.
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: It's like she doesn't want to leave them without lunch,
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: and yeah, she's like, sorry, I need this money genuinely,
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: and I have a feeling she's gonna get.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Into trouble and that bums me out, but I don't
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: want to.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: Right because she seems so nice. And I got held
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: up and they were like, all right, but here's enough
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: money for you to get a text.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, thank you so much.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: You're still gonna take my shoes? Okay?
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think that was actually very thoughtful of
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: I like that classy move.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: I agree, it's a classic move.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: Yes, all class When she robs the stage coach so
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: together she and boot escaped on horseback with authorities hot
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: on their heels and a long man hug throughout the
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: remote high desert. They were eventually caught while sleeping and
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: arrested before they could make it to Kansas, but luckily
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: Pearl's mother didn't die for another sixteen years.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: So whoever this doctor was, who was.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, talking about the real scammers. Is it's doctor right?
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: They're like, she's gonna take her last breath in sixteen years.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: I would be pissed because they wouldn't have robbed that
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: stage coach unless that doctor had lied.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: That doctor, come on, you know it was.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: One of those leech doctors from those blood letting doctors.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, I agree.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: He was like, I don't know. We hit her in
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: the head with a pillow till she stops coughing, like
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: you're a hack.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Yes, I agree.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: When Pearl was sent to jail, her fame preceded her
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: and she was greeted by a horde of photographers and fans.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: So is this her mugshot? Oh? Yes? This giving look
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: at her looking away like mystery.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: I think that she likes the attention more than she
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: says she does, because in every photo you've shown she's
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: like very perfectly posed.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah she is. And also in the war where
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: she's looking away.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: The whole point of a mugshot is so we get
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: your mug sis, So how are you gonna give us
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: this like Vogue?
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: No, she's yeah, yeah, I agree because almost every photo,
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: I mean, one of my eyes is closed. There's always
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: something going on. I mean these photos are like perfectly styled.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: They're perfectly styled.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: And her bang is giving like cut it with a knife.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah I love that.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, because it's like fashion now, like you
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: will see that on a runner.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying is she's so fashionable.
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: She and she kind of knows that she's rocking a
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: look and she's like, look, if you're taking photos anyway,
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna like.
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: Idiot.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: So one man even sent her a bobcat, which she
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: kept as a pet until the met it in prison
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: killed it in an argument. So they let her have
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: a bobcat in prison. But that's the bobcat came back.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Gosh, she's look, I'll give her that. She's good. She's
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: greater on.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: Cats, on wildcats, And I guess this was a time
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: in prison where you could just like you could bring
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: up and stuff you could seems like suddenly.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: High maintenance to have like another living Yeah, being.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: So on commisary, you just got to put like lots
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: of raw meat. Yeah.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: Like I guess they were like, go ahead, like you know.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: Just have a bobcat.
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Here.
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: So as an apology, the lover ed Hogan helped Pearl
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: cut a hole out of her jail and escape. They
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: made it as far as hopping on a freight train
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: to New Mexico before getting arrested again. Though Pearl was
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: a career criminal, she upheld her own brand of feminism
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: and beliefs in sexual liberation. At her trial for the
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: stage coach robbery, she told the court, I shall not
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: consent to be tried under the law in which my
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: sex has no voice in making. I noticed, right, she said.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: I am my case rules.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: I love I love that.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Because I always always freaks me out that we're born
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: into this world and they're like, here's the rules. I'm like,
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: I ain't get a boat. I get to say nothing
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: about that.
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: She's like, these rules weren't made for me. I'm not
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: going to follow them. And guess what, She's right.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Pearl's a feminist icon.
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: So they tried her anyway because basically what she was
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: saying was like, these laws don't a plot me because women.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: They're like, we don't care now, y'all want to have equality? Yeah,
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: would have.
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: So they tried her in a way, and she was
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: sentenced to five years in prison. She served as the
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: only female resident among two hundred and sixty prisoners at
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: the infamous Territorial Prison I know, locally known as repulsive
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: hell Hole.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Ooh no, this is so not fair.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, you can't even just make me my own
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: private prison.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Since yes, you get like they were making those juvenile
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: when were were talking about that.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: Right, they made the baby jail.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe jail just for her so she doesn't get
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: harassed by all these guys. I hate that. I hate
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: you had to.
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: Be in there with them, although she maybe she was
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: scamming them the whole time and they were scared of her.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Who knows.
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: Maybe, I mean she did Chili own a Bobcat, so yeah,
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: she's about that life. So, despite its reconditions, Uma turned
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: out to be a turning point for Pearl. She weaned
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: herself off morphine, became a talented seamstress, and even made
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: early parole in nineteen oh two, though likely due to
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: a smallpox outbreak in the prison and a fake pregnancy.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: I know that's why you better fake a pregnancy.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: She did that?
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: How do I gonna Yeah, the.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: Men get to figure it out because they're you know,
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: come on, now.
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: Who's gonna figure that out? Joe Boot.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: He's Joe Boot, not Joe Baby. Okay, he don't know
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: nothing about that. Yeah, knows about his shoes, right, That's it.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: So in prison, Pearl also learned how to read, write,
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: and compose poetry. Oh and we have an artist rendering
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: a pearl in prison from beautiful. Oh okay, Pearl, I
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: love Pearl.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: I did you.
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: I honestly, if Pearl was alive today, I think we would.
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: It would be so fun if you could be like
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: and here and now we have very special guests joining
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: us and it was Pearl, and we'd all be honored.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, we truly would we take her to the new
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: cookie shop in La.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, stick it up for us. She'd stick it up
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: for us.
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: Get all the cookies, you know, or at least she'd
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: like scam them into giving us them.
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: Even if yes, she would leave some cookies behind. For
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: the other patrons famous cookies.
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: She would say, I'm not gonna tell you why that
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: you have to give me all the cookies now, but
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: you can say four for your lunch, for each of
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: you for lunch.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: You know how we all eat cookies for lunch. So meanwhile,
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: her sister Katie found her own success in the arts
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: and wrote a play about Pearl called The Arizona Female Bandit.
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: After Pearl was released, she couldn't hide from the number
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: of reporters and desper were like desperate for interviews, including
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: a number of newly established magazines.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: Cosmopolitan. Wow, I know Cosmopolitan was that? Oh so the.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: Woman from a rough background and an even rougher home
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: rose to folklore level in the rooriety. Everybody was loving her.
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: She was free spirit like, we love her, we love
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: Pearl right now. Yes, So when a Cosmo journalist sat
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: down with her, instead of Pearl like being ostentatious, loud,
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: ruffian that this person was expecting, she was met by
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: a polite, well spoken woman d justin man's shirt and suspenders,
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: ready to share her story.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: I love that pearlm oh, look at her hair. Yes, ugh, Pearl.
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: Pearl's legacy is that she told a number of tales
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: to reporters that mix lies with reality over the years.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: So maybe the Bobcat you were right, Vanessa, maybe the
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: Bobcat didn't act.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she was.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: Just like lying for fun. I love that for her.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: And we don't really know a lot about her early
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: life or her life after prison, but all the stuff
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: that we recounted here, right, But yeah, she was the.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Lady bandit and she was popping. And I love Pearl.
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: I think we all loved Pearl, and I think the
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: moment that really cemented her in our hearts is when
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: she gave she's robbed that stage coach and then she
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: gave everyone a dollar for lunch. It's like, yeah, that's
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: being a class act while still scamming people. I think
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: that's really you know. And also she she just wanted
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: the money so she could go see her mom. If
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: this piece of honestly, I don't know for allowed to
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: swear on here. Oh yeah, you never heard me this
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: whole time, some crap. I was gonna say, this is
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: a crap. Doctor wasn't giving that. It's like it's always
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: comes back to these dumb men.
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: Sorry, sorry, Because if the doctor had gave a good prognosis.
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, old timey medicine. He was just going on vibes.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: But she wouldn't have even gone. But she did get
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: people lunch money, and for that she's an icon to be.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: We love her, Yeah, we love her.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: So that brings us to the statist part of the show,
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: the end where I have to live.
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: Unessa and Jonah go, but before we do just one
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: quick scammer of the week. This is where we highlight
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: a charlan or a group of criminals. Maybe they're worth
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: our praise. They're not, we'll see. So we're talking about
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: an investor by the name of Jacob Garlic who just
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: attempted to purchase Manhattan's iconic flat Iron building for one
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: hundred and ninety million dollars.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: This is Jacob Garlic.
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  Speaker 5: Now he read I heard about this one.
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  Speaker 1: Jonah loves reading about this kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Jacob Garlic. If you saw this man, would you think
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  Speaker 2: he was rich?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, he's I think he's It looks like he's
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  Speaker 5: wearing a nice suit. Right, I don't know, Yeah, he's.
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  Speaker 3: Got I can't figure out if his eyes are kind
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  Speaker 3: or sociopathic?
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  Speaker 1: Right, right, right, right? I certainly wouldn't know he has
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  Speaker 1: Jacob Garlic level money to buy that.
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  Speaker 3: No, it feels like he would be like he would
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  Speaker 3: do like a mall Santa gig and all the kids
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  Speaker 3: would love him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah right, I'm not just from a beard totally.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know I'm on his side so far. But Jonnah,
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  Speaker 3: you probably already know where you stand. So the problem
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  Speaker 3: with him trying to buy this splat iron building and
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  Speaker 3: we're looking at it right now, very tall, very rich
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  Speaker 3: in New York.
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  Speaker 1: Is that been in this building?
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  Speaker 5: You know?
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  Speaker 3: What's interesting to me is that this building is one
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  Speaker 3: hundred ninety million dollars, but there's definitely like a mansion,
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  Speaker 3: Like that's like a residential estate that's like two hundred
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  Speaker 3: and sixty four million.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. New York is so expensive.
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  Speaker 2: But I can't imagine that I could buy the flatterron building,
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  Speaker 2: but I couldn't buy that house.
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  Speaker 5: Right right, flat building seems that seems like what's your Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: if someone was like, how much does a flattering building cost?
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  Speaker 5: I would be like, I don't know, five hundred million,
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  Speaker 5: I've not yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't have said what ninety yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah he was getting for a steal.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 1: If he get it for one ninety you're right, you're right, yes.
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  Speaker 3: So the problem with him buying it is that he
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  Speaker 3: hasn't made the down payment. In March of this year,
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  Speaker 3: Jacob thirty won an auction for the building. Ah, there
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  Speaker 3: we go, with a winning bit of one hundred ninety million,
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  Speaker 3: beating out the building's previous owner, Jeffrey Garral.
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  Speaker 2: So the auction is how he got it. A little okay,
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  Speaker 2: I was like something Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So Bacup sits as the managing partner of Abram Trust,
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  Speaker 3: but outside of a stripped down website with almost no information,
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  Speaker 3: little is known about the trust. So he just got
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  Speaker 3: a website it says abram Trust Trust me, we got money.
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  Speaker 5: That's it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So the nearly completed unknown buyer has baffled the established
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  Speaker 2: New York real estate buyers because they're like, who is this?
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  Speaker 2: Who is this person who came in here from Abram Trust.
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  Speaker 3: The building, which sits at the one hundred and seventy
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  Speaker 3: five Fifth Avenue, is completely vacant and requires major renovations
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  Speaker 3: that will likely produce like so it won't reproduce any
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  Speaker 3: returns for many years because it's basically like, oh, the junkyard.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that's what I call buildings that need renovation.
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  Speaker 1: Like.
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  Speaker 3: So, prior to the auction, its current majority owners had
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  Speaker 3: hoped to send the building to auction, ultimately use the
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  Speaker 3: majority of their share to buy it back and sell
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  Speaker 3: partitions of the property, which, you know a real estate people,
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  Speaker 3: they're like, we want to cut it up and stick
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  Speaker 3: people in little closets. Yes, for a mortgage payment every
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  Speaker 3: month and so. According to one of the few public
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  Speaker 3: statements made by Jacob, the primary reason he wanted to
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  Speaker 3: buy the building price be damned is it's simply been
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  Speaker 3: his dream to own it since he was twelve.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yay for dreams.
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  Speaker 1: That was your dream.
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  Speaker 2: He were like, I'm gonna be a real estate mogul.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, seems young.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be in gentrification.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Pop were like, I want to be astronaut. I want
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  Speaker 2: to be a scientist. He's like, I want to be
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  Speaker 2: a gentrification I love that, okay, Jacob.
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  Speaker 3: So, however, at the Friday deadline, Jacob hasn't put down
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  Speaker 3: the nineteen million dollar deposit, and the building has been
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  Speaker 3: offered back up at OOH at one eighty nine point
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  Speaker 3: five million. If it's not except that the building will
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  Speaker 3: go back to auction, stopping Jacob's big plans with the
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  Speaker 3: only goal of driving the price up. Oh so it
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  Speaker 3: might have been an emotional attempt to get back at
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  Speaker 3: previous owners. So what they're saying is is that Jacob
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  Speaker 3: went to the auction it just kept raising it Panela.
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  Speaker 7: Interesting, Okay, Yeah, so yeah, and I think, you know,
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  Speaker 7: another piece to it from what I read, is like
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  Speaker 7: there's five or six different owners of the building who
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  Speaker 7: owned different part it's like broken up, so they had
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  Speaker 7: to sell it together.
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  Speaker 5: And so they think maybe he was trying to sabotage
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  Speaker 5: this sale. It was a very complicated setup for this.
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  Speaker 5: I think I love that.
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  Speaker 2: I love that he was trying to sabotage that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. So now they yeah, they asked, you know, they're
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  Speaker 5: saying that, I don't think they have proof of this,
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  Speaker 5: but yeah, there is an idea that maybe he was
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  Speaker 5: trying to drive up the price.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, I don't know, because the auction house
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh, well, y'all can buy it for your
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  Speaker 2: original bit of one eight to nine point five right right,
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  Speaker 2: right right, But they're not going to reaction it.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like you got to reauction. It like to me,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: it's I wouldn't have.
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  Speaker 2: To be nice to those corporate green mopos.
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  Speaker 5: Like yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I think if this guy is a scammer, then he's
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: his name is also a scam can't be real.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Oh you think he's that Garlic, Jacob Garlic.
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  Speaker 4: It feels a little bit like, what's your name, Jacob?
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  Speaker 4: And then you know they look around the kitchen with clossic.
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  Speaker 2: TV trope give it doubt?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Jacob Garlic.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, my name is Jacob Garlic, and uh yeah, you
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  Speaker 4: know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like that he.
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  Speaker 3: Saw a penny and he's like, and I'm from Apram, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Abram trust and.
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  Speaker 1: I love I love elevators because there's an elevator right there. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Oh goodness gracious. That brings us to the end of.
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  Speaker 3: A very fun episode. As always, we like to ask
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