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Remembering 9/11/2001 25 Years Later · The Bill Handel Show

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM 640, the Bill Handel Show
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  Speaker 1: on demand on the iHeartRadio app. Handel Morning Crew on
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  Speaker 1: a Friday morning, September 11th, 25 years today since the
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  Speaker 1: 9-11 attacks. And we're seeing wall-to-wall coverage, remembering what happened.
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  Speaker 1: And a little bit later on, I'm going to talk
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  Speaker 1: about remembering what happened and how it has changed for
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  Speaker 1: a whole lot of people today. And for those of
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  Speaker 1: us that remember, you're going to go, it's a whole
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  Speaker 1: different world for sure.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Last couple of days, and I'm going to move away
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  Speaker 1: from 9-11 for a few minutes. And the last couple
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  Speaker 1: of days, there was that Republican primary convention that the
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  Speaker 1: president had put together. And a primary convention has never
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  Speaker 1: been put together. It's usually only presidential conventions that are
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  Speaker 1: on a national level. And so what happened? Well, it was, well,
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  Speaker 1: here's the bottom line. And that is this was for
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  Speaker 1: Republicans only. And the only way Republicans are going to
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  Speaker 1: win this, and everybody knows that they're in a lot
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  Speaker 1: of trouble at this point, is to light up the base,
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  Speaker 1: invigorate the base. Because if you get enough people that excited,
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  Speaker 1: then you can win. And that's exactly what happened with
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  Speaker 1: President Trump.
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  Speaker 2: We're much more engaged.
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  Speaker 1: The Republicans, the conservatives, far more engaged than were the
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  Speaker 1: Democrats and the liberals the last time out because no
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  Speaker 1: one was excited about Joe Biden anymore.
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  Speaker 2: That's for sure.
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  Speaker 1: OK, so here was the convention and it was science fiction.
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  Speaker 2: It really was. The president spoke.
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  Speaker 1: He was the hero. It was really about him. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's not a shocker. They called it a Trumpalooza. He
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  Speaker 1: was the keynote both nights.
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  Speaker 2: Of course he was. And Vance was also a big
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  Speaker 2: part of it, sort of.
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  Speaker 1: OK, he made his final pitch of the convention to
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  Speaker 1: keep Republicans in power. But, you know, I mean, Trump
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  Speaker 1: wasn't very impressed with it at all. Sort of shoot
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  Speaker 1: him off the stage. And at one point, this is
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  Speaker 1: where this is where it gets really entertaining. Trump asked attendees,
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  Speaker 1: raise your right hands and pledge that you are going
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  Speaker 1: to vote Republican with your family, with your friends.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead, raise your hands and say, I do. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: we do.
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  Speaker 1: I'm surprised the hand didn't go straight out and.
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  Speaker 2: Up in the air, but it didn't. So they raised
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  Speaker 2: their right.
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  Speaker 1: Hand, everybody in the room, in the arena, and then says,
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  Speaker 1: you know what happens if you don't vote?
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  Speaker 2: You go to hell.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Now, here is the problem, why the base has to
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  Speaker 1: be engaged, because if you look at his general numbers,
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  Speaker 1: he is at the lowest point.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he is barely above 30 percent. He's in
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  Speaker 2: the low 30s.
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  Speaker 1: The only time that you're in trouble as a president
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  Speaker 1: or a presidential nominee or as a party is when
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  Speaker 1: you drop below 50 percent.
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  Speaker 2: He's in the 30s.
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  Speaker 1: And so they are legitimately frightened that this may be
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  Speaker 1: a slaughter. We don't know what happens in November. And Vance,
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  Speaker 1: widely considered to be the frontrunner, and his speech offered
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  Speaker 1: some early clues. Restoring the primacy of the traditional nuclear family.
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  Speaker 1: Women should be at home. And he said this a bunch.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't mention the war in Iran at all. uh
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  Speaker 1: he did issue a plea for conservatives not to abandon
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  Speaker 1: the white house over policy do not throw out the
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  Speaker 1: baby with the bath water now what does that mean
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  Speaker 1: when you go don't throw out the baby with the
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  Speaker 1: bath water to me it means okay we screwed it
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  Speaker 1: up but don't uh you know even though we did
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  Speaker 1: do not get us out of office.
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  Speaker 2: Because it's far worse to put the democrats.
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  Speaker 1: In all right uh fair enough So when the balloons
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  Speaker 1: fell down, who was on the stage?
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  Speaker 2: By himself, whatever. Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: And then here's a point I want to make. And Amy,
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  Speaker 1: I think you'll appreciate this. And that when the president
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  Speaker 1: announced $ 5, 000, a dividend of $ 5, 000 to every American, if
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  Speaker 1: the Republicans hold on to the Senate and the Democrats.
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  Speaker 1: I was sitting back and going, oh, no, no, please,
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  Speaker 1: please don't miss the opportunity to call this the Trump dividend.
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  Speaker 1: Are you really only going to cost us the American dividend? Well,
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  Speaker 1: he came through. Thank goodness he came through. And it
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  Speaker 1: is the Trump dividend.
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  Speaker 2: Is it really? I hadn't even heard that. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Why not? Of course it was.
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  Speaker 3: He could pay it with Trump gold coins.
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  Speaker 2: That's true. He's the only one talking about it.
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  Speaker 1: $ 1. 3 trillion.
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump Jr. didn't mention it.
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  Speaker 1: The Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, who was up
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  Speaker 1: there being his lapdog, didn't mention it. The Vice President
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  Speaker 1: didn't mention it because it is, how about this, completely crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I go through the list and I am
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  Speaker 2: not exaggerating. The number of.
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  Speaker 1: Times that Trump has either obfuscated, outright lied, statements that
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  Speaker 1: were wrongly applied, missed opportunities to tell the truth are
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  Speaker 1: in the thousands with President Trump, in the thousands.
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  Speaker 2: And this was last night. He's going to give.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody a dividend. Do you remember the dividend with the tariffs?
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  Speaker 1: Have you gotten your check yet?
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  Speaker 2: I haven't. And how about the other dividends? And oh,
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  Speaker 2: and he said, and here we go. Where was this?
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  Speaker 2: And he repeated, there is no inflation at all. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: fair enough.
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  Speaker 1: And a big deal was made out of the Democrats
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  Speaker 1: being communists. and left-wing wackos. That's another part of the
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  Speaker 1: philosophy and the policy of the Republicans to scare their
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  Speaker 1: own people, to scare the base, thinking if you don't,
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  Speaker 1: if Republicans don't win, this country is going communist.
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  Speaker 2: And if not communist, socialist. Okay, we're done with that.
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  Speaker 2: Have a great time. It was a fun convention. It
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  Speaker 2: really was. And it was, you know, $ 1. 3 trillion. Nobody
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  Speaker 2: knows where it's coming from.
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  Speaker 1: Even The honchos in Congress who are Republicans, no one
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  Speaker 1: is jumping on this and saying, oh, yeah, oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Except the base, the base. If you turn on the.
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  Speaker 1: TV or listen to the radio or just listen to
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  Speaker 1: what's going on out there, you're going to hear a
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  Speaker 1: lot about 9-11. When I come in the studio in
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  Speaker 1: the morning at 415. I always turn on the various
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  Speaker 1: news outlets. And right now I'm looking at Fox and
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at CNN.
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking at BBC.
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  Speaker 1: I just turned on MSNOW, you know, the super liberal,
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  Speaker 1: insanely pro-communist, okay, that's not fair, but damn close, news station.
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  Speaker 1: And it is wall-to-wall coverage of the 9-11 remembrance. And
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  Speaker 1: right now the president is speaking at the Pentagon in
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  Speaker 1: on this anniversary. I have no idea what he's saying
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  Speaker 1: because obviously I'm talking and I'm listening to the show.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm just seeing what's going up on the screen.
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  Speaker 1: And the Department of Justice, and I want to share
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  Speaker 1: this because first of all, I think they had to
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  Speaker 1: do it. Second of all, I shake my head and go,
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  Speaker 1: you know, really? So they issued their press release And
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  Speaker 1: this is some of the stuff they're saying.
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  Speaker 2: And it's appropriate, I think, in many ways. It just
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  Speaker 2: leaves out a lot.
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  Speaker 1: At the Department of Justice, we pause to remember those
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  Speaker 1: we lost, the victims, the first responders, the heroes. We
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  Speaker 1: stand with their families and loved one whose grief remains
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  Speaker 1: as real today as it was a quarter century ago.
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  Speaker 1: The next segment, I'm going to talk about remembering 9-11
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  Speaker 1: and who does remember. And who doesn't and in what way?
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  Speaker 1: And I'm going to give you a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: history at the time of what happened throughout the history
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  Speaker 1: of the United States. So in the aftermath of the attacks,
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  Speaker 1: I read, preventing terrorism has become a central priority. I
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  Speaker 1: have some questions about that as far as what the
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  Speaker 1: DOJ is about.
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  Speaker 2: But the DOJ is, as is.
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  Speaker 1: Being said, fundamentally reorganized in how we approach threats to
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  Speaker 1: our homeland. breaking down barriers between intelligence and law enforcement.
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  Speaker 1: And again, I think the DOJ has done a lot
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  Speaker 1: more than just that. But today is not a day
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  Speaker 1: to talk about that. And the press release goes on
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  Speaker 1: talking about the creation of the National Security Division in 2006,
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  Speaker 1: which puts together counterterrorism, counterintelligence, foreign investments, all under one roof.
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  Speaker 1: And in the years following 9-11, It also brought forth
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  Speaker 1: profound questions about how to keep Americans safe while preserving
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  Speaker 1: civil liberties and constitutional rights. Again, I question that. But
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  Speaker 1: what are they going to say? I think you're going
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  Speaker 1: to hear today a lot of, well, to be honest
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  Speaker 1: with you, pablum from a lot of people. I think
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  Speaker 1: you're going to be hearing stuff that has to be
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  Speaker 1: said and should be said and leaving out everything else. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: One of them, and I haven't heard about this so far,
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  Speaker 1: but we should. And part of this, we have to
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  Speaker 1: attack the intelligence community because of what happened with 9-11.
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  Speaker 1: There was information out there. The intelligence could have put
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  Speaker 1: it together. It's just that you weren't talking to each other.
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  Speaker 1: The FBI, the CIA wouldn't talk to each other. They
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  Speaker 1: hated each other. Wouldn't share information, a complete utter failure.
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  Speaker 1: That's changed as it should. But the terrorists who took
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  Speaker 1: those flight lessons, I think it was in Phoenix, how
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  Speaker 1: to fly an airplane, not how to take off, not
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  Speaker 1: how to stay on course.
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  Speaker 2: Basically, not how to land, just fly. Now, do you
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  Speaker 2: think that's a little suspect?
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, they were foreign nationals, Saudi Arabians
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  Speaker 1: for the most part, Saudis. And we knew Al-Qaeda because
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  Speaker 1: in 1993, the World Trade Center was attacked. Attacked to
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  Speaker 1: do the same things, to bring down the building. And
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  Speaker 1: what they did is put a bomb under in the
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  Speaker 1: basement in the parking structure, and it was a massive,
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  Speaker 1: massive bomb. If you look at the photos, the video
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  Speaker 1: of what it looked like under there, I mean, it
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  Speaker 1: was just horrific, massive in scale, and it didn't bring
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  Speaker 1: down the building because the buildings were built so strongly. Well,
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  Speaker 1: the buildings were built to code, and no one figured out,
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  Speaker 1: look what we can do. And we're talking about terrorists
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  Speaker 1: talking to each other. If we put an airplane into
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  Speaker 1: those buildings, we can cause far more havoc. And it
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  Speaker 1: went beyond their wildest dreams what they could do. Kidnapping
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  Speaker 1: or accosting pilots, hijacking an airplane with box cutters.
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  Speaker 2: Look at it.
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  Speaker 1: Pick up a pair of box cutters. Go to Home
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  Speaker 1: Depot and look at that little package that has a
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  Speaker 1: box cutter in it.
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  Speaker 2: And say, with this.
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  Speaker 1: they brought down the world trade center, which is why today, uh,
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  Speaker 1: naturally you can't get.
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  Speaker 2: Into a cockpit.
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  Speaker 1: And if anybody tries, I mean, those so secure, even
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  Speaker 1: to the point when the, uh, the pilot goes into
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  Speaker 1: the bathroom outcomes, uh, the, uh, little cart, the drink
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  Speaker 1: cart that blocks anybody from going near that bathroom. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: today the security is, uh, insane, which By the way,
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  Speaker 1: before that, would I have thought that was going to happen?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so, because these terrorists have come up
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  Speaker 1: with ways of attacking us.
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  Speaker 2: Although we haven't seen one in an airplane yet.
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  Speaker 1: We have not seen a hijacking. We haven't seen, you know,
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  Speaker 1: bombs being brought aboard an airplane from the Czech area
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  Speaker 1: or from the gate. Although there have been some lapses
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  Speaker 1: of security big time. The bottom line is we are much,
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  Speaker 1: much better at it. But it's as a result of
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  Speaker 1: what happened, 9-11, and the Department of Justice is coming
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  Speaker 1: out and saying, we've learned, we care, we're on your side,
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  Speaker 1: we are deeply, deeply.
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  Speaker 2: Moved by this, which I think they are.
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  Speaker 1: You know, maybe today's not the day to talk about
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  Speaker 1: the failures. I think it is, but that's me. As
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  Speaker 1: you would imagine, 25 years ago is when the attack
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  Speaker 1: in New York happened by al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden
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  Speaker 1: and his crowd. And it's a big, big remembrance day,
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  Speaker 1: 25 years. And so it's wall-to-wall coverage and the remembrance.
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  Speaker 1: The president speaking at the Pentagon. You had speakers and
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  Speaker 1: the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking, and it just, well, everybody just remembers.
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  Speaker 1: And talking about remembering, and I want to make a
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  Speaker 1: point here about remembering, and that is, this is obviously
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  Speaker 1: a very, very important part of American history.
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  Speaker 2: If you look at days that.
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  Speaker 1: Really have impacted our history, and if you look at,
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  Speaker 1: let's talk about the 20th century, okay, from 1900 on,
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  Speaker 1: because you had the Civil War, obviously the founding of
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  Speaker 1: the United States. You also have the assassination of Abraham Lincoln.
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  Speaker 1: And I want to make a point about the assassination
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  Speaker 1: of Abraham Lincoln and what we remember. We have no
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  Speaker 1: idea what the country was like. We have no idea.
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  Speaker 1: There are newspaper articles. There are certainly firsthand experiences that
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  Speaker 1: were written about the utter devastation of what the morning
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  Speaker 1: that This M-O-U-R, the morning that occurred right after the
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  Speaker 1: assassination of Abraham Lincoln, which incidentally, everybody loved Abraham Lincoln
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  Speaker 1: right after he died.
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  Speaker 2: It's like John F. Kennedy. Everybody voted for JFK after
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  Speaker 2: he was assassinated. Everybody. There was no one who voted
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  Speaker 2: for Richard Nixon.
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  Speaker 1: It was the closest presidential race until Bush-Gore.
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  Speaker 2: And that's how we remember history.
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  Speaker 1: Goes farther back, it no longer is something that really
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  Speaker 1: affects us. I mean, keep in mind, 100 million people
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  Speaker 1: in the U.S. weren't even alive at 9-11. Millions more
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  Speaker 1: were just starting to learn or starting to walk or
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  Speaker 1: starting preschool on that day.
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  Speaker 2: And for those folks, September 11 only exists in other
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  Speaker 2: people's tellings.
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  Speaker 1: Now, those of us who were around and could appreciate
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  Speaker 1: what happened, we knew exactly where we were when we
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  Speaker 1: first heard about what happened at 8.46 a.m., and that
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  Speaker 1: was Eastern Time.
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  Speaker 2: Pacific Time, it was 5.46, and that was broadcasting.
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  Speaker 1: And we're going to play part of that broadcast at
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  Speaker 1: 8.30 as this panned out.
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  Speaker 2: So, teenagers... are trying to.
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  Speaker 1: See September 11th as monumental, or they're being told to,
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  Speaker 1: but that's not their jam. I mean, it's much more
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  Speaker 1: the mass shootings and the pandemic that killed 1.2 million Americans.
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  Speaker 1: And when you look at sheer numbers, 3,000 Americans died,
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  Speaker 1: as horrific as that was. Pandemic killed 1.2 million. As
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  Speaker 1: a result of the terrorist attacks in New York... There
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  Speaker 1: was a major, major inroads have been made in dealing
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  Speaker 1: with terrorism. Security has exploded. As a result of the pandemic,
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  Speaker 1: vaccines have gone down. And it killed 1.2 million people.
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  Speaker 1: History teachers in their first year at middle school learned
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  Speaker 1: about September.
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  Speaker 2: 11th as history.
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  Speaker 1: The youngest candidates for Congress never knew airplanes without security lines.
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  Speaker 1: If students were taught about September 11th, it was often
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  Speaker 1: a brief mention. It's history.
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  Speaker 2: It's past.
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  Speaker 1: And where are they getting their information today? Well, stories
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  Speaker 1: from parents and older siblings, Twitch streamers, podcasts, memes, photos.
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  Speaker 1: But that doesn't really hit home. I mean, that is
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  Speaker 1: not the same. For example, for those of you that
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  Speaker 1: are around for the assassination of JFK, do you think
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  Speaker 1: you feel differently if you were there, if you knew
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  Speaker 1: the mood of the country, if your mood was there?
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  Speaker 1: I was pretty young, but I was young enough to
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  Speaker 1: appreciate the assassination of JFK or at least appreciate the
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  Speaker 1: way other people were feeling about it.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't realize the importance of it. And certainly Pearl Harbor.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a bit of history to us.
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  Speaker 1: And certainly the, the, the civil war. I mean, we
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  Speaker 1: go back a ways, obviously, but I think the same
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  Speaker 1: feeling went through this country and the same kind of
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  Speaker 1: importance was given to that and understood how it affected people.
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  Speaker 1: Not historically, historically, we understand historically major changes happen as
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  Speaker 1: a result of what happens September 11th. However, It has
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  Speaker 1: somehow morphed into, oh, it happened then.
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  Speaker 2: It's a bit of history. That's all it is. And
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  Speaker 2: everybody remembers. I remember I was here on the air
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  Speaker 2: when I first heard about it. Amy, you were on
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  Speaker 2: the air when you first heard about the attack? Yes,
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  Speaker 2: we were.
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  Speaker 3: Our show started at six and we found out about
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  Speaker 3: it right after the first plane hit. So that was
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  Speaker 3: part of my first newscast. As we were still trying
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  Speaker 3: to figure out what was going on because we thought
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  Speaker 3: it was an accident and we thought it was a
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  Speaker 3: small plane.
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  Speaker 2: Neil, do you remember where you were? Are you old
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  Speaker 2: enough to remember?
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  Speaker 4: I was in bed and I was listening to you.
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  Speaker 4: The Tim and Neil show had just been canceled in August.
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  Speaker 4: My dad died in August and I was going through
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  Speaker 4: a divorce in August. All canceled. all the month before
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  Speaker 4: all this went down.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so 9-11 was an up story for you. It
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  Speaker 1: was actually a pleasant story.
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  Speaker 4: I was in bed listening to you, and I remember
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  Speaker 4: getting all these calls, and it was... was weird not
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  Speaker 4: being on the radio you know not being called into
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  Speaker 4: the station i mean you know all hands on deck
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  Speaker 4: kind of thing and the first thing i thought of
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  Speaker 4: was thank god my dad was dead it would have
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  Speaker 4: crushed him he he just loved America so much as
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  Speaker 4: a Chicano. He was a very proud Mexican, but a
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  Speaker 4: very proud American. And I think that would have crushed
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  Speaker 4: him that we were attacked like that.
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  Speaker 2: Will, do you remember where you were? You were thinking
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  Speaker 2: about traffic, right?
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  Speaker 5: Actually, I was working as a news writer for Fox 11,
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: and I'd been up all night already working on the
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: morning show. And, yeah, the feeds just start. I told
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: Amy this. The pictures came across the raw feeds to
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  Speaker 5: the stations. We didn't have any information at the beginning.
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  Speaker 2: But, yeah, that's where I was, in the newsroom. And
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: we all remember.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: And Anne certainly remembers, and she's running around someplace. So, Kono,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: you weren't around, or you were very young on 9-11, right?
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  Speaker 2: I was on my way to eighth grade listening to
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: you break the news. So you are a key factor.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: In my recollection of this.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Boy, that's a problem. It was prime bill handle. All right.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Usually the United States is at the forefront, leads the
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: world in virtually everything, certainly technology and industry, et cetera,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: except in many cases, the Chinese are are taking over
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  Speaker 1: because they are, frankly, evolving faster than we are in
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: many areas. Robotics, certainly, and some forms of computer-generated technology.
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  Speaker 1: And in the world of AI, we're still way ahead
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: of the game. In the world of AI and entertainment,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: the Chinese are way ahead of us because Chinese film
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: and video industry is right in the middle of an
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: AI revolution. how micro dramas that are watched on smartphones,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: they are the ones that created this. They are the
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: ones that are taking this to a whole new level.
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  Speaker 1: There's an actor by the name of Chin Yee Long.
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  Speaker 1: He's been around forever there, two decades. And his work
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: is getting so much scarce that he actually signed a
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: contract a couple months ago to license the image of
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: his face to a production studio. So he sits in
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  Speaker 1: front of a video camera, makes facial expressions, a neutral stare,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: an angry glare, a look.
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  Speaker 2: Of, oh, surprise.
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  Speaker 1: And using AI, the studio then grabs images of his face,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: generates an avatar, and makes a film. Wow. So the
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Chinese film and video industry is being completely transformed by
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: AI-driven storytelling. And the reason I'm sharing this with you
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: is because this is our future. I mean, it is there.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: There is no question. Typically, these videos are a minute
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: or two in length.
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  Speaker 2: That's it.
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  Speaker 1: Devoured by hundreds of millions of Chinese micro-dramas. And what
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: makes AI so good with micro dramas and people are
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: watching them on their devices, they don't demand the top
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: notch acting. They don't demand the high quality resolution, the
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: way movies and TV mandates. They're an ideal vehicle for
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: AI generated content.
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  Speaker 2: And you can.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Imagine the cost of doing those relative to the cost
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: of doing a real production that we know is.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Nothing.
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  Speaker 1: It's a tiny little fraction. So in the first three
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: months of this year, the number of these micro dramas
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: was 128,000 of them. 95% were made with AI. Anyone
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: with a laptop can produce entertainment with AI today.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: There is a studio.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: In China, Head Gideon World Studios, known as the Chinese
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Hollywood or China's Hollywood. lavish sets, it's like Universal, back,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: you know, the backlots and backdrops.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: And sound stages. You know how they're making money today? Tourism.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Tourists. You go to see what movies were like when
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: they used to make them. Chen, this actor, says he
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: figures about 60% of work by actors have disappeared this
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: last year. And then the issue of, and we're going
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: to have this problem, And that is infringement, right?
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Trademark. Filing lawsuit when someone uses your image.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: That happens here. And even in China, it was straightforward.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: You know, someone, a company grabbed your image and used it.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: And okay, you sued and you won. It wasn't that difficult.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: But what happens when a company grabs your image and
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: changes it slightly? Where does your image really become not
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: your image? Where's that line? A lookalike, for example, using lookalikes,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: that's a lookalike. You're not using someone's image. So where
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: does that stop and where does that start?
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  Speaker 2: No one knows.
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  Speaker 1: There is their union, the Actors Committee of the China
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  Speaker 1: Federation of Radio and Television, associations.
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  Speaker 2: Why not?
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: And condemn what they call this infringement and say AI
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: platforms need to comply with the laws.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: What laws?
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: That's the point. We have the same issue. And that
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: is where does it stop and where does it start?
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: We know that technology, how often have I said technology
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: moves ahead at an unbelievable pace and then we have
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: to deal with it afterwards. So now we have AI
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: producing content and there is one of these filmmakers who
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: was interviewed for this story. And here's what she does.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Her team uses Chinese video generation models, inputs, scenes, backgrounds, performers,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: and the AI generating 15 seconds of footage every time.
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  Speaker 1: Entire productions are made. And her team can put together
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: a 90-minute AI film.
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  Speaker 2: Suitable for release. I mean, sort of, you know, it
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: works enough. And she can do that for $ 500, 000.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: If you were to do this as a regular television series,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: it would be around $ 30 million. And she pops it
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: for half a million dollars. And the technology is still
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: galloping ahead.
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  Speaker 2: It's not that wonderful.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: She says her team takes about 10 attempts to create
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: a satisfactory 15-second clip.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Sometimes the faces are a little different, the background inconsistent.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Neil has talked about that, how you can tell where
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: there's AI, but Neil, it's getting harder, isn't it?
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what's funny, though, is my nine-year-old son
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: can spot it even better than I can, or more quickly, rather,
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: than I can, because they're kind of growing up around
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: it and seeing it differently. But yeah, you know, I
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: used to do photo manipulation and stuff like that.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: And it's the....
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: The videos are what's getting pretty crazy.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: But there's telltale signs. Yeah, but it's getting better and better.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: And the point is, when you're looking at your device
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: with a fleeting two-minute video or 90-second video, you can't tell,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: nor do you want to tell. You just want the entertainment. Well,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: that blows apart the studios. Hey, that's the wave, guys.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: That's what the future is bringing. For those of you
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: that are thinking of going into Hollywood, enjoy yourselves. Big
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: future ahead of you. Unfortunately.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Coming back and Neil comes back with foodie Friday and
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: we will talk food. And at the bottom of the hour,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: the rebroadcast of nine 11, the morning that had happened.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: And it was me and I was broadcasting. I'll share
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: that with you.
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