Latest / The Week in Bible Prophecy / The Persecution of Christians Is Getting Worse! | The Week in Bible Prophecy

Transcript

The Persecution of Christians Is Getting Worse! | The Week in Bible Prophecy · The Week in Bible Prophecy

• 0:02
  Speaker 1: The Week in Bible Prophecy, a Prophecy Watchers podcast. Hello, everyone.
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the podcast today. Monty Gonzalez here in the studio.
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: We have our good friend Joe Hawkins with us, and
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: we're going to be talking about what we've been seeing
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: in the prophetic world. Again, the goal is to keep
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: you updated on the things that are happening prophetically. And Joe,
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: this gives us an opportunity to really discuss some, I
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: would say, some of the criticisms, some of the objections
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: that people have made against, you know, the pre-trib idea
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: and other things. And so, you know, we're going to
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: be talking about persecution, not just that, but specifically some
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: of the Muslim persecution that's happening. And so, you know, Joe,
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: I want to give a little theological background to this,
• 0:55
  Speaker 1: but I'm in your mind, maybe give us a one
• 0:58
  Speaker 1: minute summary of what we got, what we wanna talk
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: about as well from your perspective.
• 1:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of people out there
• 1:04
  Speaker 2: that they don't believe that Christians are gonna suffer any
• 1:07
  Speaker 2: type of persecution on this side of the rapture, right?
• 1:10
  Speaker 2: They call us escapists. Oh, you just think that you're
• 1:13
  Speaker 2: not gonna go through any hard times. But a lot
• 1:16
  Speaker 2: of people, when they make those claims, they're looking at
• 1:19
  Speaker 2: it from a Western viewpoint, especially those here in America,
• 1:23
  Speaker 2: because have we really ever had it bad here? But
• 1:26
  Speaker 2: when you go out across the pond and you look
• 1:28
  Speaker 2: at what's going on across the world, especially in some
• 1:31
  Speaker 2: of these Muslim majority countries, and you see the immense
• 1:34
  Speaker 2: level of persecution that's going on in areas like Nigeria, Iran, Iraq,
• 1:41
  Speaker 2: areas like that, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, even areas like North
• 1:44
  Speaker 2: Korea and China, and you see how Christians are being
• 1:47
  Speaker 2: treated there. It's sad to see, but it's certainly a
• 1:52
  Speaker 2: high level of persecution. So as a Christian... we certainly
• 1:56
  Speaker 2: are seeing persecution happen on this side of the rapture.
• 1:59
  Speaker 2: Just because maybe you haven't experienced it here on our
• 2:03
  Speaker 2: home turf doesn't necessarily mean that it's not coming. I mean,
• 2:06
  Speaker 2: I think that we have seen some soft persecution over
• 2:09
  Speaker 2: the past few years, but that's what we're going to
• 2:12
  Speaker 2: talk about today. And I would just implore everybody to
• 2:15
  Speaker 2: really open your eyes and open your ears to hear
• 2:18
  Speaker 2: what's happening to our brothers and sisters across the pond.
• 2:21
  Speaker 1: Well, and The fact of the matter is, you know,
• 2:23
  Speaker 1: there's no doubt throughout church history, persecution has been a
• 2:27
  Speaker 1: real thing. Very, very early on, we know that as
• 2:31
  Speaker 1: early as Revelation chapter 2, the church of Smyrna, chapter 2,
• 2:36
  Speaker 1: verse 10, we see Jesus says, you know, that the
• 2:40
  Speaker 1: devil is going to put some of you into tribulation
• 2:42
  Speaker 1: for 10 days. What I want you to do is
• 2:45
  Speaker 1: be faithful unto death. I'll give you the crown of life.
• 2:47
  Speaker 1: So no doubt we see the various persecutions of Nero
• 2:51
  Speaker 1: and Ecclesian and others. But there's another issue. There's two
• 2:55
  Speaker 1: issues here, Joe. One of them is historical or even current.
• 2:59
  Speaker 1: The other one is prophetic. And so this is why
• 3:02
  Speaker 1: we're discussing this, because as you mentioned, we know people
• 3:09
  Speaker 1: will claim that all we care about or all we
• 3:11
  Speaker 1: think about is we're just going to escape. All we're
• 3:13
  Speaker 1: consumed to us in the preacher rapture is to escape.
• 3:17
  Speaker 1: And so I've discussed this, you know, recently in presentations
• 3:20
  Speaker 1: here and there, different conferences. And the first thing is,
• 3:24
  Speaker 1: let's just say up front that that's, in one sense,
• 3:27
  Speaker 1: that is true. We know in Luke 21, 36, that
• 3:32
  Speaker 1: Jesus is warning people to be watching, to be ready,
• 3:34
  Speaker 1: because that day of trouble, that day of judgment is
• 3:37
  Speaker 1: going to come upon a world as a trap. And
• 3:39
  Speaker 1: then he says, but pray that you'd be in a
• 3:41
  Speaker 1: position to escape all these things and to stand before
• 3:44
  Speaker 1: the Son of Man. So yes, I embrace escape. Jesus
• 3:48
  Speaker 1: is the one that brought it up, not me. In fact,
• 3:50
  Speaker 1: Paul in 1 Thessalonians 5 is describing, again, the day
• 3:54
  Speaker 1: of the Lord, this day of trouble, this day of
• 3:57
  Speaker 1: God's wrath, according to chapter 5, verse 9. But he says,
• 4:02
  Speaker 1: when they are saying peace and safety, sudden destruction will
• 4:06
  Speaker 1: come upon them and they will not escape. So there again,
• 4:10
  Speaker 1: Paul is bringing up destruction upon them and they are
• 4:13
  Speaker 1: not able to escape. But we know from Jesus, others
• 4:17
  Speaker 1: will be. So this is very, very biblical. It's very thorough.
• 4:21
  Speaker 1: So yes, this also brings up the difference between tribulation
• 4:27
  Speaker 1: and the wrath of God, because we do know Jesus
• 4:31
  Speaker 1: said in John 16, 33, he talks about giving us
• 4:33
  Speaker 1: his peace. And he says, look, in this world, you're
• 4:36
  Speaker 1: going to have tribulation, but be of good cheer. I've
• 4:39
  Speaker 1: overcome the world. Now we know in Matthew 24, verse nine,
• 4:42
  Speaker 1: in Matthew 24, 22, that, the seven-year period of trouble,
• 4:49
  Speaker 1: the seventh week of Daniel, the time of Jacob's trouble,
• 4:52
  Speaker 1: the tribulation period of seven years, it's called tribulation. It's
• 4:56
  Speaker 1: called tribulation in Matthew 24, 9, which is the first half,
• 4:59
  Speaker 1: and then it's called great tribulation, again, in Matthew 24,
• 5:02
  Speaker 1: 20 through 22. So that period is called tribulation, and
• 5:06
  Speaker 1: it's a progressive tribulation that goes from tribulation up to
• 5:10
  Speaker 1: great tribulation. So We do have the word tribulation, but
• 5:14
  Speaker 1: when Jesus says in this world you're going to have tribulation,
• 5:16
  Speaker 1: he's talking about general trouble. He's not talking about the
• 5:21
  Speaker 1: wrath of God. And so this is what's important because
• 5:24
  Speaker 1: when Jesus is describing the tribulation, which turns into great tribulation,
• 5:28
  Speaker 1: he is describing this very specific period of time, which
• 5:31
  Speaker 1: we know, again, in 1 Thessalonians 5, 9, this day
• 5:34
  Speaker 1: of the Lord, it's called the wrath of God. We're
• 5:36
  Speaker 1: not appointed to wrath. We're rescued from wrath. 1 Thessalonians 1,
• 5:40
  Speaker 1: 10 describes this as well. those passages that we are
• 5:43
  Speaker 1: delivered from this wrath, a very specific wrath. So when
• 5:47
  Speaker 1: we think about persecution today, it's important that we recognize, yes,
• 5:53
  Speaker 1: this is historical. The American church is not immune to this. Now, well,
• 6:01
  Speaker 1: the second thing you mentioned, Joe, is the prophetic trend
• 6:06
  Speaker 1: here is this. We see Increasing amounts of persecution in
• 6:11
  Speaker 1: those places, and we're going to describe them. But this
• 6:15
  Speaker 1: is the spirit of the Antichrist. This is when you
• 6:18
  Speaker 1: go to Revelation 12. It talks about the dragon who
• 6:22
  Speaker 1: is cast down from heaven, and the second part of
• 6:26
  Speaker 1: the tribulation, as we discussed, the great tribulation. This is
• 6:29
  Speaker 1: the time of trouble that has never existed in the
• 6:32
  Speaker 1: history of the world. We see that in Daniel chapter 12,
• 6:35
  Speaker 1: as well as in Matthew 24. Jesus using and basically
• 6:40
  Speaker 1: quoting Daniel. But when the devil comes down for that
• 6:45
  Speaker 1: and he's cast down to earth at the midpoint and
• 6:47
  Speaker 1: he's there, he's stuck. Now he's mad. It says he's mad.
• 6:51
  Speaker 1: He has great anger for the second half. He goes
• 6:55
  Speaker 1: into overtime and it says he goes to make war
• 6:59
  Speaker 1: with the offspring of the woman, which in this sense
• 7:02
  Speaker 1: is Israel, and those who obey the commandments. So these
• 7:05
  Speaker 1: are believers during this time. So I want us to
• 7:07
  Speaker 1: see something. What we're seeing right now with the hatred
• 7:11
  Speaker 1: of Christians around the world, this is the encroaching spirit
• 7:16
  Speaker 1: of the Antichrist. Because that is exactly what we see
• 7:20
  Speaker 1: in the book of Revelation. So the question is, is
• 7:23
  Speaker 1: all this stuff that we're going to discuss now, this
• 7:25
  Speaker 1: is the spirit that is going to continue in to
• 7:28
  Speaker 1: the 70th week of Daniel after the rapture. But The
• 7:35
  Speaker 1: precursor that we're seeing now is the spirit there of
• 7:40
  Speaker 1: hatred towards true Bible believers. Now, we know that at
• 7:45
  Speaker 1: the time of the rapture, the pre-trib rapture, all Christians
• 7:48
  Speaker 1: are going to be gone. But we also know that, well,
• 7:52
  Speaker 1: then what's happening during this time period? Well, what we
• 7:55
  Speaker 1: know is that other people get saved. There's a great
• 7:58
  Speaker 1: multitude that gets saved from the 144,000, the two witnesses, etc.,
• 8:03
  Speaker 1: or just other people who get saved after the rapture event.
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: But all those millions of people that get saved, they're
• 8:12
  Speaker 1: in for an even more difficult time than, let's say,
• 8:15
  Speaker 1: our brothers and sisters in China or other places right now.
• 8:19
  Speaker 1: Because what we see is many people say, well, as
• 8:22
  Speaker 1: a Christian, you need to prepare to meet the Antichrist.
• 8:25
  Speaker 1: There is no preparation. Revelation 13, 7, Daniel 7, other
• 8:31
  Speaker 1: passages over and over and over. During that seven-year period,
• 8:37
  Speaker 1: massive amounts of believers are dead. There is no way
• 8:42
  Speaker 1: to prepare for that. There is no way to escape
• 8:44
  Speaker 1: most of that. Most of the believers during that time
• 8:48
  Speaker 1: are going to be martyred. If you don't take the
• 8:50
  Speaker 1: mark of the beast, you're going to have your head
• 8:52
  Speaker 1: cut off. Massive amounts of horrible persecution that we see
• 8:57
  Speaker 1: Even in the first half, because we see the harlot
• 9:00
  Speaker 1: in Revelation 17, that she is drunk with the blood
• 9:05
  Speaker 1: of the Christians, of the saints. And then, of course,
• 9:07
  Speaker 1: we know after that the mark of the beast is implemented.
• 9:10
  Speaker 1: And so the second half is even worse because now
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: this is specific Antichrist beast persecution, whereas before it was
• 9:18
  Speaker 1: the harlot religion who was doing it under, of course,
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: the spirit of the Antichrist. So with that as a backdrop,
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: What we're saying is this spirit that we're observing right
• 9:30
  Speaker 1: now is going to continue right on in to the
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: tribulation period in the first half, increasingly into the second half.
• 9:39
  Speaker 1: And so, Joe, as we look at what we're observing
• 9:44
  Speaker 1: right now, let's talk about that spirit that is here
• 9:51
  Speaker 1: setting the stage for what is coming even more.
• 9:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you hit the nail on the head there.
• 9:57
  Speaker 2: The spirit of the Antichrist, right? Think of what... going
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: on around the world right now. We're seeing open doors
• 10:04
  Speaker 2: reported that 388 million Christians live under high levels of persecution.
• 10:09
  Speaker 2: That's one in seven Christians around the world. That's one
• 10:13
  Speaker 2: in five in Africa and two in five in Asia.
• 10:17
  Speaker 2: This is happening everywhere. while the Holy Spirit-indwelt church is
• 10:21
  Speaker 2: still here, right? Think of what that's going to be
• 10:24
  Speaker 2: like whenever the church is no longer here, when the
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: restraining influence of the Holy Spirit church is no longer
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: here and evil is going to reign unchecked. It's going
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: to be unbelievable to see. We can't even really imagine
• 10:38
  Speaker 2: the levels of persecution and the levels of death that
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: we're going to see. Of course, we read it in Scripture.
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: We know from reading it's not going to be a
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: good time But we can't imagine what a Holy Spirit
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: and dwelt church removed, what this world is going to
• 10:53
  Speaker 2: look like. And like I mentioned, 388 million Christians live
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: under high levels of persecution. And a lot of those,
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: they live in these areas of Muslim majority countries, like
• 11:05
  Speaker 2: what I mentioned on the onset. Now, what really sparked
• 11:09
  Speaker 2: this conversation between you and I, because I'm sure we
• 11:11
  Speaker 2: were probably going to talk about something else like what
• 11:13
  Speaker 2: we normally do. I'm kind of the beast system guy.
• 11:17
  Speaker 2: But we shared on our Facebook recently that there was
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: this Australian Muslim preacher. He called up his parishioners to
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: take up arms against enemies, which included Jews and Christians.
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 11:30
  Speaker 2: That that post went bonkers. It was it was unbelievable
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: to see, you know, the interest that we got in
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: this post and how many people had not seen or
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: heard of this level of persecution. Now, we've documented on
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: this program numerous times the. the levels of persecution that
• 11:46
  Speaker 2: we've seen against Jews over the past three years, especially
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: after October the 7th. But, you know, what's going on
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: right now in areas like Nigeria, it's so sad to see.
• 11:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, just recently there was a report that came
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: out that said that one Christian dies every 86 minutes
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: for their faith. One Christian dies every 86 minutes in
• 12:10
  Speaker 2: the country of Nigeria. And we've seen reports coming out
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: over the past few years in Nigeria. It seems like
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: every week there's a new attack where a church has
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: been attacked by a terrorist organization and 20, 30 killed
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: at a time, people being kidnapped. We've seen school children
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: being kidnapped and held hostage. It's unbelievable to see these
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: levels of persecution and how Many people here in America
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: and even other parts of the world don't even take
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: notice to it. They don't even know that this stuff
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: is going on. And whenever we share these types of posts,
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: it blows their minds. And they wonder, you know, well,
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: is it really any type of persecution going on amongst
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: Christians because we don't see it here? You know, this
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: is the problem that I think that a lot of
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: Christians have with burying their heads in the sand and
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: not concerning themselves with the affairs of what's going on
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: around the world. Because what happens around the world, eventually
• 13:11
  Speaker 2: it finds its way over here. We've seen the immense
• 13:16
  Speaker 2: level of persecution in those African countries. It's creeped into Europe, France,
• 13:21
  Speaker 2: and the UK. And of course, whatever happens in those countries,
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: it eventually winds up over here in America. And I
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: certainly think that we're going to see a day, and
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: I think that we already have seen pretty good, level
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: of it here in America, but even here in America,
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: people are blind to what's happening in some of our
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: own cities, like Dearborn, Michigan, and Patterson, New Jersey. You're
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: seeing mosques shoot up all over the place. We're seeing
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: the influence of Islam taking hold here in America. And
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: I certainly think that that's gonna play a role in
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: the persecution rising here in America. And I have a
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: few people that I communicate with pretty often, a couple
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: of friends, And then they ask me all the time,
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: you know, I just don't see persecution. I don't see...
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: where you see this at in the world, you know,
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: I'm like, well, just open your eyes. You know, how
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: do you not see it going on? And then they say, well,
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: I really think that the time that Christians are going
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: to be persecuted is going to be during, you know,
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: the tribulation time. You know, I don't believe in a
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: rapture is what they'll tell me. And then it just
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: blows my mind because that's whenever they think persecution is
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: going to come. They don't believe that persecution is going
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: to come on this side of the rapture. And What
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: they don't realize is persecution is already here on this
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: side of the rapture. And like you mentioned, it's been
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: here since the inception of the church.
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, 100%. I find that interesting that somebody who doesn't
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: believe in the rapture would deny persecution. Because for them,
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: if you don't believe in the rapture, then you're going
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: into the tribulation. And as I demonstrated, there's scriptures crystal
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: clear that there's going to be massive amounts of trouble.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: The interesting thing, too, as well is, You know, there's
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: this effort by those that, I would certainly say the world,
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: or those that are anti-Christian in so many ways, and
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: they will, this sort of conversation is going to bring
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: out from them, well, you're an Islamophobe. And you go, well,
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: let's define that, okay? Let's define what that means. Phobos?
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: The Greek word for fear, we know that appears in
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of things. You know, I'm claustrophobic. I'm an
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: anacrophobe or whatever, you know. So do I have a
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: fear of Islam or you're just fearful of Islam? Yes.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: Ask somebody that lives in Nigeria. Ask somebody that lives
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: in Iran. When you start looking about the words that
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: are being spoken in some of these places, you don't
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: think that You take somebody who, the tens of thousands
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: of Christians that are being killed in Nigeria, you think
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: they're going to care about you throwing this pejorative word
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: on them or trying to make them feel bad because
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: they're scared of Islam? They're going to go, I just
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: lost my entire family. I barely escaped. Yeah, I'm scared
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: of Islam. And so to me, this is the important thing,
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: is that we all have, in any sort of group,
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of anti-Semitic people and whatever. All the Jews,
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: all they care about is money and interest and banks
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: and Hollywood. And you go, look, I can find an evil,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: horrible Jew. I can find an evil, horrible American. I
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: can find an evil, horrible French person. Fill in the blank.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: So in many ways, the opposite is true. I can
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: find a great, a nice person. I can find a
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: nice German. I can find a nice Muslim. There's no
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: doubt we can find nice people of anything. So when
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: you speak of Islamophobia, it is not saying that every
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: last single Muslim individual is this radical jihadist murderer. That's
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: not what we're describing. What we're talking ultimately about is
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: the theology. What the theology allows, what the theology gives,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: commands what the theology produces if someone who is, you
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: don't really have to be radical. You just have to
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: be somebody who's loyal to the Koran. People just, this
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: oftentimes I'll tell people, I was having a conversation with
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: somebody recently and I said, have you ever read the Koran?
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: I said, look, this is why never in the New
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Testament do you ever see anywhere where Jesus says, go
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: out and kill your enemy. go out and fight with
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: your enemy. It says, bless them. It says, pray for them.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: It says, love them. So Christianity nowhere with the words
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: of Jesus could be described as promoting any sort of
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: conversion by force. Well, that's not the case with the Koran.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Anybody can just read it over and over and over.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: All you got to do is look up which verses
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: in the Koran promote violence towards unbelievers. Ding, ding, ding.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: It'll all come up but what you're seeing though is
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: and let's bring up our first you mentioned it already
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: this this preacher in all places australia okay we tend
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: to think of australia well they're like us because they
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: speak english they're from the they're under the they at
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: least they were under the british empire in many ways
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: they still are in the sense as a as a
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: you know kind of a vassal state if you want
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: even their own country they're still under the There's a
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: specific word for it I'm missing at the moment, under
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: the king or the queen, the royalty. Why isn't this
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: guy being arrested? I mean, if you go there and
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: you pray in an abortion center, you're getting arrested. But
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: this guy has a call for arms against enemies. And
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: so this is what's interesting is that people are going, wait, wait,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: that only happens in Iran. That only happens in Nigeria.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: That only happens in Pakistan or other places. No, it's happening, quote, quote,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: In the West, not that Australia is the West, but
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: it is a Western culture. So, and what do you think?
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Give me your thoughts on this, Joe. As you mentioned,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: this was posted on our Facebook page. Just, hey, if
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: you didn't hear this, and the response, the interaction has
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: been pretty amazing just now. to, you know, again, in
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: the different things. Why do you think this particular article
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: created such a interest for people to interact with?
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely think a lot of it has to
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: do with the topic of Islam, because it's a hot
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: button topic. It seems like that's the go-to with what's
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: going on in the political system right now. You have
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: a lot of candidates that are currently up for election that's,
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: you know, prescribed to Islam, a lot of Muslim candidates.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: So I certainly think that that has a lot to
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: do with it. But the religious aspect of it too,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: because a lot of the comments, I mean, you know,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: I would probably advise against going into the comments because
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: there's tons of them and a lot of them are
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: pretty derogatory in nature. And a lot of them is,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: you know, calling us out for, you know, we're liars
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: and things like this because we share this and that
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: we're not tolerant, right? The word tolerance comes up a
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: lot whenever it comes to these types of posts that
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: we put out there.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: We weren't the ones. We're just reporting the news. Exactly.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: That's the thing. We're just reporting what we see. And
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: this comes from, I believe that the article was from
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: the Christian Post. The the rare foundation, R-A-I-R foundation, they
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: do a good job of really documenting, you know, the,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: the rise of Islam in Western culture. You know, they're
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: all out on the forefront reporting these types of incidents.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: And then, like you said, why isn't this guy being arrested?
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: You would think that Australia of all places would.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Have been arrested.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: You would think that even here in America, but we've
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: even seen this type of rhetoric here in America and
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: from some of the imams in some of the cities
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: that i mentioned earlier definitely in dearborn having and saying
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: you know similar things now you know with the the
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: type of response that we get and unfortunately a lot
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: of it comes from professing christians you know when it
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: comes to tolerance why can't we be tolerant of other
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: religions you know this progressive form of quote-unquote Christianity that
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: has crept in, you have guys out there that's running
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: for Senate right now like James Tallarico, right? I mean,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: he's openly admitted that, you know, all faiths lead to
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: the same place, right? Whether you're Muslim, whether you're Christian,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: whether you're Buddhist, whether you serve Allah, God, Yahweh, Nirvana,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: whatever it may be, it all takes us to the
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: same place, right? Obviously, he's incorrect. But he's becoming tolerant,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: and he's trying to push tolerance on his constituents and
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: push tolerance on his believers. And what they don't realize is,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: and this is the irony of it, let me pull
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: up a stat right here. It looks like over the
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: past 20 years, there have been nearly, in 2020, because
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: the last stats we have here is in 2020, there
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: was 1,200 mosques here in America. In 2020, so 20
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: years later, there was 2,800 mosques. So in 20 years,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: we've seen a doubling in that. And I'm certain that
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: in the past six years, we've seen that increase to
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: well over 3,000. In 2007, we had 2.4 million Muslims
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: in America. And in 2026, we have 5.5 million Muslims
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: in America. So another doubling within a 20-year time period.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: When you start becoming tolerant of these particular religions and
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: they start pushing their ideology on you, I mean, when
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: do we become a, you know, I know a lot
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: of people say that we're a Christian majority country, but
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: at what point do we become, you know, a Muslim
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: majority country? Now, of course, we know that that'll most
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: likely happen at the rapture. You know, at least I
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: hope it doesn't happen prior to the rapture. But there's
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: something to say that there's nothing to say that it
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: can't because, you In 20 years, we've seen it double.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, what if this number doubles again, especially with
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: what we see going on with the mass influx of
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: illegal immigration? And I know that we're probably going to
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: get a lot of people that don't like us saying that,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: but it's just a fact of the matter. Whenever we
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: see this coming in, I mean, are we going to
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: see that number double in another 20 years if we're
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: still here? Now, I would hope the Lord would take
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: us out before then, but there's no guarantee that the
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Lord's going to take us out in 20 years. So
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: we can certainly see a A time during our life
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: where we have 20 million Muslims in America, and the
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: problem that we can see is you have a bunch
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: of progressive Christians or Christians that are tolerant of other
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: religions that are just silent on it. That's exactly what
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: happened with abortion. You had a bunch of pastors and
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: a bunch of Christians that were silent on abortion back
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: in the 70s. They just said, you know what, that's
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: a political thing. that's a political topic. We need to
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: stay out of that. We don't need to get involved
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: in this type of atmosphere. And what happened? Abortion became
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: rampant all over America, and it still is because Christians
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: were silent. I mean, you have these same types of
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Christians that are silent right now whenever it comes to
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: this influx of a dangerous ideology. And like you said,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: it has nothing to do with islam itself or the
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: people that prescribe to islam but if they are true
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: if they're true to the nature of what they believe
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: then they're radical i mean it's not even about it
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: just being radical if they're true to the nature of
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: what the quran pushes it's radical and like you said
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: we can see what's going on in these other countries
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: to know that it's radical they're pushing you're seeing these
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: these uh governments in these countries pushing these restrictive interpretations
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: of their law. They're pushing these blasphemy laws. They're, you know,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: social persecution of these Christian converts. You know, if you
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: convert to Christianity, I mean, off with your head, basically,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: is what it comes out to be.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting that people would come on our Facebook
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: page or whatever and make an accusation of us being
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: intolerant simply for reporting Again, facts. Which is interesting that
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: they missed the whole point in that here's a guy
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: asking or promoting and encouraging his followers to take up
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: weapons against Christians and Jews to kill them. And yet
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: this person didn't have the spiritual ability or logical ability,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know, to say, wow, it's not you who
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: are intolerant, it's that guy. Because, you know, tolerance, it's interesting,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: you know, tolerance is a, it's a good word, it's
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: a good word. I decided, you know, here's the definition, okay?
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Here's the Cambridge definition. Tolerance is the willingness to accept, respect,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: or endure things things you may not necessarily agree with,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: such as different beliefs, physical conditions, or material measurements. I
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: think even those words need to be defined a little
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: bit to accept or respect. Look, if somebody has a
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: different viewpoint, say about Jesus, I respect their constitutional right
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: to have a difference of opinion, and I'm not out
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: to kill them. And we can just like, hey, whatever,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: you believe what you want and I'm going to believe
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: what I want. So in that sense, I'm going to
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: tolerate the difference of views. Now I'm going to vehemently disagree,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: use my words. I could appeal to them to come
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: to an understanding of what the Bible says, how the
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Bible is the word of God and how it can
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: be objectively demonstrated, you know, again, through prophecy and archaeology, again,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: in historical testimony. But That doesn't mean if respect means
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: I have to acknowledge that their view is right, well,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: I can't do that. But again, that still isn't going
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: to turn me into somebody who's violent. And that's the
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: difference here is that, and if you look at UNESCO, okay,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: not our favorite people in the world in the sense
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: of the stuff that they've done, the United Nations, but
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: their definition is, Practicing tolerance does not mean abandoning your
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: own beliefs. It means refusing to oppress or persecute others
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: for theirs. I agree with that. Why not? That's fine.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: But then what happens is this. Well, the fact that
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: you disagree with that guy, that's oppression. The fact that
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: you verbally disagree, that's a form of persecution. It's a
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: form of hate speech, right? Again, if you go to
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: the UK today, And you warn against immigration and you
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: warn against all the rapes that are happening by the
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Pakistani men who happen to be all Islamic and they're
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: raping white women, hundreds of thousands of them. You're going
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: to get arrested because that's hate speech. And you're like,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I'm just reporting what the facts are. So this is
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: where oftentimes the blur happens between definitions of what tolerance means.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: It means different things to different people, including racism. The
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: UK government. So in this sense, you know, from our perspective, no.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Tolerance is saying we'd agree to disagree. But the problem is,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: is that same level of tolerance that I might have.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: for islamic theology is not reciprocated and that's the key
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: is that when by definition this is why i find
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: it very fascinating a muslim who is faithful to the
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Quran and to what they understand as Sharia law. Okay.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: They say, oh yeah, our goal is absolute Sharia law,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: which is the law of Allah everywhere. Well, that's by
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: definition is contradictory to our constitution. And so to me,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: I probably should be, I don't know if it ever
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: would pass, but maybe it should have been originally is
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: that if you will come in here and you want
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: to become a United States citizen and you can't affirm
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: and agree that that the Constitution is going to be
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: the supreme law of the land, and you're never going
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: to make efforts to undo that as the supreme law
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: of the land, you can't become a citizen. I mean,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: that's pretty easy. It's pretty straightforward. But this is what
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: you're seeing, surprisingly, as you and I have talked. 25
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: years later, after 9-11, you have a Muslim mayor who
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: is absolutely committed to Sharia law and doing anything he
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: can to try to bring it in Now, granted, we
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: do have the we have the courts and we have
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: the things that are that are very, very helpful in
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: preventing it being implemented in many places. But you also
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: have those courts or judges that are bribed or compromised.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: And so they're they're going to be they're going to
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: legislate from the bench, so to speak, and they're going
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: to undo or they're going to just not care. And
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: they're going to allow certain things to happen until it's
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: overruled through the system. But again, by definition, there is
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: no there is no place for radical Sharia law here. Again, legally,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: not only spiritually.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, 100 percent. And, you know, one of the
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: things that I think people really need to take into
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: consideration is the the frog in the boiling pot, you know, metaphor, right?
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: That's what I think we're seeing happen in America. They're
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: not going to come in. Islam is not going to
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: come in, guns a-blazing, chopping people's heads off whenever they're
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: trying to get their stronghold set here in America. Because
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: if they did, what's going to happen? I mean, we're
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: going to see people have an open revolt of what
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: is actually happening. You're seeing a very strategic level of
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: deception going on. You're seeing these Muslims come in, they're
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: I would say, in a sense, they're conquering cities one
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: by one. They're setting up their Islamic strongholds. And then
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: at some point in the future, you're going to see
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: them act on that. And how do we know that?
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Because that's their motive. That's what they do all over
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: the world. And like I said, hopefully that's after the rapture,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: not prior to the rapture. But like I said, there's
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: no guarantee that that's not going to happen. And I
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: think that we as Christians, we should... be aware of this.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: We should be ready for this. We should certainly speak
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: out against it, especially whenever they want to push some
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: of their insane traditions on us. We shouldn't be tolerant
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: of those particular traditions. We shouldn't be acceptable to them
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: to push Sharia law in a particular community. We've seen
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: recent headlines come out where there have been some of
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: those in some of the territories, I think in Texas,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: where they're trying to build you know, one of their major,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: you know, Islamic centers, you know, where those guys would
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: go out into the neighborhoods and they would try to
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: push Sharia law on people there. We've certainly seen it in,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: like I said, Dearborn and Patterson, New Jersey and other areas.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: And of course in Minnesota as well. Now, one thing
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: that Islam is known for, they're known for coming at
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: it with a hammer, basically. They're going to come at
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: it with a sword. They're very, it's a very violent religion.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: They're very open about that. But like I said, they're
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: also very strategic in the way that they do things.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: They're very deceptive.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, they will absolutely lie to get their way.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: And I think that's what we're seeing here in America.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: You're seeing a lot of these politicians that prescribe to
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Islam that are pushing forth Islamic ideology through their local jurisdictions,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: through the cities, through the municipalities, through the counties, through
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: the state houses. Eventually, we're going to see this enter
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: into the.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: U.S.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: House, into the federal side. But, you know, it's like
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: I said, it's a strong, they're going to strong arm
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: their way into doing this. Now, another one that we
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: could talk about before we get off of here is China.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: China is a little bit more technological in their way
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: of cracking down on persecution. One of the things that
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: they've recently done is they had an underground church that
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: was not registered. And of course, in China, all of
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: the churches have to be registered because they have to
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: prescribe to the Chinese Communist Party's manifesto, basically. Now, this
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: underground church, these kids, these young believers, they took their
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: phones and they removed the hymns off of their phones.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: And they only put the approved music on there from
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: the Chinese Communist Party. Now, that's where I think it's
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: very important for us as believers to make sure that
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: you always have a physical copy of your Bible, because
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: there's going to be nothing that stops them one day
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: from just hacking into your device or preventing these apps
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: from coming out there that will even allow you to
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: download Bibles, that will allow you to download hymns on
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: your phone. But the fact of the matter is that
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: a government entity is taking your personal device, removing something
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: on it that they don't agree with, and placing something
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: that they would call, you know, part of the, I
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: think the Chinification of religion is the way that they
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: put it. You know, that's another dangerous aspect of persecution
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: that we see going on in the world. And it's
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: not really reported on that much because you really can't
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: get a lot of information out of China because of
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: the amount of, of how strict it is to get
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: information out of China and how, I guess, not willing
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: people are to report out of China because of the
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: intense level of persecution that they are suffering there.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, 100%. I mean, and this is, I think you
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: said it well, that there's, China's been very shrewd over
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: the years, especially in its efforts against true biblical Christianity.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: And in the eyes of the world, United Nations, et cetera,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: in the way that it's done it, we see, you know, again,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: the control through, as you mentioned, technology. Many of the,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: what we understand now, we've discussed a lot is the
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: social credit score, which would include how faithful you are, again,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: in your words, in your actions. You know, if you
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: do a certain thing, you're going to be, you're going
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: to have less of a credit score. You're going to
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: have less freedoms. You might have less opportunities for economics
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: and other things. So there's no doubt that, again, worldwide,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: this is important. The church is being persecuted worldwide. This
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: is the spirit of Antichrist that we're seeing right now
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: in front of us. And this is a spirit that's
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: going to continue to increase up until the time of
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Jesus' return at the second coming, where he will squash
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: the Antichrist. and destroy him in blazing fire. So the
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: point being is that as we're watching these prophetic trends,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: the Spirit is going to continue to gain a foothold.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: And we're looking out and we're watching it happen. I think, too,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: that I want to go back to something because you
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: had sent this kind of some data. And the comment
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: is that, yes, again, I'm going to reiterate what I
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: said before. You're at work. You know a guy, you
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: know a girl over there. They're Muslim. They're not bringing guns. Okay, yes.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: And many of them, and you see this often in
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: some places, where you have those that would be considered moderate.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: They're harassed by, we see this in Gaza, where many
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: of the normal Palestinians, they are trying to get out
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: from under the thumb of Hamas. And so many of
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: them want economic, you know, some people just want economic prosperity.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: But if they don't toe the party line or they
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: speak out, and there were many videos of many of
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: the Palestinians speaking out against Hamas, and then, you know,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: next day they're dead. And so you do have these radicals.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: So you do have that, of course. But the point
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: being is that, unfortunately, when you're looking out and you
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: see your neighbor and you're like, where do I put them? Obviously,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: they affirm an allegiance to the Islamic religion and the Quran,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: but I don't trust that. So where are they at?
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Are they lying? Are they pretending? It's really kind of
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: hard because many of the things as we saw, think
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: about going back to 9-11. These were people that were
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: being trained in aeronautic schools and everything else with everybody else.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: And then one day, they go fly planes into there
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: and you're like I knew that guy I went to
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: school with him he was a nice guy but you
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: have the potential again because of the Islamic religion and
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: the Quran itself promoting these things of not knowing it's
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: hard to trust but You shared some statistics as it
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: relates to a 2026 world watch list. And if you
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: go through like these countries, you know, two through 20, Somalia,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: it's starting at number two, Somalia, Yemen, Sudan, number four, Syria, Nigeria, Pakistan, Libya, Iran, Afghanistan,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, Mali, Iraq, the Maldives, Algeria, Mauritania. How many
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: of those are Muslim?
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, every single one of them.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're like, so this is where you go, listen,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: this isn't simply just a Islamophobic rant. This is going, hey,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: look around at the data. The data is presenting a picture.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: And that's all what we're saying is this truly has
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: the spirit of Antichrist going in. And so when, again,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: when we come into the, what we see in the
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: tribulation period in the first chapter, half we see this
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: this religion this world religion whatever it is i don't
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: think it's only islam i think it's a it's a
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: world religion in one sense that is persecuting the saints
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: the woman is drunk with the blood of the martyrs
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: and then in you know matthew 21 21 you have
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: the great tribulation and persecution against the jews and all
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: the rest of those who are obedient to the commandments
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: of god the believers in revelation 13 7 it says
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: that the beast overcomes the saints, overcomes the believers. So
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: by persecution, and again, the mark of the beast, as
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: we said. So what we're seeing right now is indicative
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: of what is coming. And that's really what we wanted
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: to talk about is, let's look around. Of course, I've
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: interviewed people from different ministries recently about talking about the
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: persecution in In Nigeria, we've encouraged people to donate and
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: to support those ministries. And that's really important. And that's
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: one of the reasons why we've talked about it. We've
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: encouraged for people to be praying for our brothers and
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: sisters around the world for this exact thing. Absolutely.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: And it's definitely something that we don't want. You know,
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: this is probably one of those episodes that would be
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: considered a downer, right? You know, we're talking about a
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: bunch of things that's really heavy, and we don't want
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: to leave you just with a heavy downer. you know,
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: burden on your heart, thinking that, you know, well, I'm
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: just not going to be able to escape this persecution.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, Paul tells Timothy that all who desire to
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: live godly in Christ will suffer persecution. So, I mean,
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: there's no doubt about it that, you know, as a Christian,
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: we're most likely going to suffer persecution, you know, on
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: this side of the rapture. Now, at what level?
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: We don't know.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: We can't give you that response. But what I can
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: tell you is, even though that we may suffer persecution
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: on this side of the rapture, there's numerous things that
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: the persecutor cannot take away from us. The persecutor can't
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: take away our comfort. That's only in Christ. The persecutor,
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: they can take away our possessions, but they can't take
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: away our inheritance. They can take away our freedoms, but
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: they can't take away our hope. And they can even
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: take away our physical life but they can't take away
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: our eternal life. Those are just some things that we
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: can find joy and find hope in. And that's what
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: I would want to leave people with. Don't be afraid.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Don't be afraid to speak up. Don't be afraid to
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: look at what's going on in the world. Because I
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: know a lot of people, they tend to bury their
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: heads in the sand and thinking that if they bury
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: their heads and if they don't see it happen, then
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: it's not really happening. And before it's too late, it's
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: happening in their own backyard. You know, we tell you
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: these things because we want you to be properly prepared
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: for a possibility of what it could look like in
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: the future. And if it is going to look like
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: this in the future, we want you to know that
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: your hope is not in anything else other than Jesus Christ.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the connecting point, whether it's today, again, with our
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: brothers and sisters around the world, or throughout church history.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, you look at church history and the church,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: of course, you know, the church is a very broad term.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: I think of, you know, the, some of the, the
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: ways in which, whether it was the crusaders or the
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Catholic church, uh, with inquisitions and other things that there's
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: been a lot of people under the name of church
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: or the name of Jesus have committed horrible things, done
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: horrible things. And I wonder whether, I mean, I wonder,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know anybody, sorry, but it's, I just can't
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: imagine anybody that would do that is actually a genuine
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: believer in Jesus or followed his words. Cause, Jesus never
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: said that to do that to anybody. So anybody that
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: would claim to do that has abandoned or has denied
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: or rejected or contradicted the very teachings of the one
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: they claim to follow. So we're certainly not here to
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: defend any of that. But at the end of the day,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: what we say is anybody that is going to promote
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: violence in the name of religion, whether Christian or Islam
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: or Buddhist or Hindu, That is horrible. That is not
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: of what we understand. That is not of Jesus Christ
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: by any means. And again, Jesus told us to love,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: to bless, and to pray for those who aren't like us.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: But as we know, there are many of those who
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: have died in history and that are dying today. And
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: that as we continue on, we expect this to get
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: even more pronounced. And this is why When you look
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: at this, it just goes back to having the courage
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: and the grace, trusting in the grace of God to
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: stay faithful. Revelation 2.10, as I mentioned, Jesus says, the
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: devil's going to throw some of you into prison for
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: 10 days. Be faithful unto death, and I'll give you
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: the crown of life. And so, now granted, I don't
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: know what I would do in that situation, right? I mean,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: but I don't need to worry about that situation because
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: the lord will provide me the grace i need on
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: that day he's not going to give me the grace
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: i need on that day today because i don't need
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: it the jesus said in second is 12 to paul
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: who was suffering buffeting from satan i mean very supernaturally
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: and he said my grace is sufficient for you and
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: uh i might you know it'll carry you through and
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: so but the grace to be a martyr is not
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: something i need today and at the time you know,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: for all those people, brothers and sisters that did give
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: their life, no doubt the Lord was with them and
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: the Lord has his reasons. And so again, this isn't
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: a downer. This is another, our goal in talking about
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: this was to say, look, this is what scripture teaches.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: This is what's prophetically relevant. This is what is prophetically coming.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: And so the spirit of what is there is here
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: and we're seeing it. And that's the thing. That's what
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: tells us that we are strongly approaching the end of
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: the age. Not simply that alone, but that in convergence
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: with all the other signs of the end of the
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: age shows us that why are we surprised by this?
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Any final words for us, Joe?
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think you just knocked it out
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: of the park. I mean, that's, you know, persecution is
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: one of my hot zones that I look at all over.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: You know, I look at apostasy. I look at the
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: global wars and disasters. We look at what's going on
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: with Israel, of course. We look at the deception, the
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: beast system infrastructure. And you put all of that together
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: and you add persecution on top of it. Like you said,
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: what do we have? We have convergence. And that's just
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: a Bible prophecy term that says, hey, all of these
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: things are converging at once. What do we need to
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: be doing? We need to be looking up because our
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: redemption draws nigh.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Amen. Amen, brother. And we appreciate you guys listening today.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: As always, we appreciate your prayers and support for what
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: we do here. Our goal is to get the word out,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: to get the gospel out, to get the good news out.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Not only can you be saved through Jesus Christ, but
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: you can escape using Jesus' words and Paul's words. You
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: can escape the coming wrath of God. That is the goal.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: And Jesus promised that in Revelation 3.10. I'll keep you
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: from that hour of trial. That's coming upon the whole
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: earth to test those who dwell on the earth. And
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: so that really is the hope. That's the promise. It
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: is the blessed hope of the Lord's return. And ultimately, again,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: we're not guaranteed we're going to live tomorrow. So the
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: goal is to be ready today. to meet Jesus, to
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: meet our maker. And then if we're still alive at
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: the time that we get pulled out and we get
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: drawn where Jesus comes again and draws us and brings
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: us to himself, how awesome is that going to be?
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: So thank you for listening this week. We will catch
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: you next time.