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The Kenny Report | 28 October · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Live from the Skying New Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report. Thanks for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 3: The energy wars escalate as a government report confirms power
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Speaker 3: prices are going to keep heading up, and the country's
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Speaker 3: largest aluminium smelter faces closure. A Sydney Council to debate
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Speaker 3: an extreme motion to slap a ban on Israeli products
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Speaker 3: and contracts. At the same time, small businesses are facing
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Speaker 3: huge costs and delays from local government red tape across
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Speaker 3: to Christen Tate in the US, as some Trump supporters
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Speaker 3: fantasize about a third term for the president, and on
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Speaker 3: the panel with Suzi O'Brien and Stephen Senna Ti Empire,
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Speaker 3: we will look at preferential treatment for Indigenous people at
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Speaker 3: Victorian hospitals.
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Speaker 2: I kid you not. Let's get into it.
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Speaker 3: Not only is this government undermining our economy and putting
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Speaker 3: the squeeze on household budgets with its energy policies, its
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Speaker 3: national energy self harm.
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Speaker 2: But it's also hi hiding the truth.
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Speaker 3: It's failing to share all the information it should with you,
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Speaker 3: with the public, with the people who pay the taxes
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Speaker 3: and who are hit by the consequences of these climate
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Speaker 3: and energy policies. Thanks to a persistent pressure from the
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Speaker 3: Australian newspaper, the Climate and Energy Minister Chris Bowen has
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Speaker 3: been forced to release at least some of the incoming
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Speaker 3: government brief that was prepared for his portfolio before this
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Speaker 3: year's election. Much of the document is redacted, far too
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Speaker 3: much of it, of course, with the government justifying this
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Speaker 3: secrecy by claiming the information would harm international relations or
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Speaker 3: even relations between the states. More likely, it would harm
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Speaker 3: the government standing with voters. Still, what we have been
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Speaker 3: given access to tells a bad story for the government
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Speaker 3: and it spells more bad news for consumers. The report
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Speaker 3: notes how government policies have provided temporary energy bill relief
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Speaker 3: to households and small businesses. That's the subsidies handed out
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Speaker 3: in the lead up to the election. But then it
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Speaker 3: goes on to note that the draft default market offer
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Speaker 3: points to further significant increases in retail electricity prices in
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Speaker 3: the forthcoming financial year. Yeah, all the public information is right,
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Speaker 3: and nothing the government has kept secret can change the
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Speaker 3: grim reality. The government has been spending your tax dollars
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Speaker 3: artificially subsidizing power bills to keep them lower. But even still,
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Speaker 3: power prices are heading further north. Now we keep calling
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Speaker 3: this out on this program, as you know, explaining how
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Speaker 3: the renewables rolled out is pushing prices up. So I'm
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Speaker 3: sorry to be repetitive, but this is crucial important because
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Speaker 3: it affects all of us, and because the government keeps
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Speaker 3: telling us the exact opposite.
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Speaker 4: The cheapest, most reliable form of energy for Australians, and
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Speaker 4: that of course is renewable energy.
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Speaker 2: Renewables the cheapest form of energy.
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Speaker 4: Cheapest energy price is going forward. Renewable energy is incredibly cheap.
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Speaker 3: Not only is this absolute rubbish, but it's echoed by
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Speaker 3: the Greens and by the Tials. They're all in on
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Speaker 3: pushing these big climate and energy lies, and much of
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Speaker 3: the media, especially the taxpayer funded media, just pushes this
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Speaker 3: propaganda as well, without any scrutiny of the facts, without
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Speaker 3: any deference to reality. I mean, if you wonder just
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Speaker 3: how audacious the lies are and how little accountability there is,
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Speaker 3: how the broken promises are just ignored. You only have
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Speaker 3: to remind yourself what Labor promised to deliver when they
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Speaker 3: were first elected.
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Speaker 5: Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 4: Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 2: By twenty twenty five. Two hundred and seventy five dollars
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Speaker 2: a year.
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Speaker 5: One hundred and seventy five dollars a year will get.
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Speaker 6: Power prices down by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 5: A year, two hundred and seventy five dollars for the
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Speaker 5: average house lower in twenty twenty five than today.
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Speaker 3: Now, as you know, Instead of that, prices have gone
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Speaker 3: up by about one thousand dollars a year, and more
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Speaker 3: taxpayers money is being sunk on subsidies for household bills,
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Speaker 3: and more taxpayers money is being used to subsidize home
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Speaker 3: batteries and solar panels, and more taxpayers money is being
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Speaker 3: used to subsidize heavy industries like smelters and refineries facing
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Speaker 3: closure because of high power prices. And that's on top
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Speaker 3: of all the subsidies and grants the government's funding to
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Speaker 3: push the renewable rollout. Little wonder these issues nominated Question
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Speaker 3: Time today.
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Speaker 7: Why did this minister do everything he could to hide
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Speaker 7: this document from the Australian public instead of doing everything
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Speaker 7: he could to reduce power prices by two hundred and
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Speaker 7: seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 8: The Lettery Opposition quotes the incoming government brief. If the
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Speaker 8: Lateraly Opposition had read on, she might have further quoted
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Speaker 8: that brief Decarbonizing electricity energy system is foundational to achieving
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Speaker 8: our whole economy transformation, maintaining energy affordability and reliability.
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Speaker 2: There's a whole lot more.
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Speaker 4: There's a whole lot more where that came from. There
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Speaker 4: is the DEBI speaker.
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Speaker 2: Well, there is a whole lot more. They're sure is.
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Speaker 2: There's a whole lot more, a whole lot more.
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Speaker 3: Pain on the way as this country deliberately undercuts its
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Speaker 3: own cheap energy advantage. The latest pressure point is in
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Speaker 3: New South Wales Hunter Valley, where a major heavy over
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Speaker 3: the industry player is under threat because of these inflated
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Speaker 3: power prices. Australia's largest aluminium smelted Tomogo faces closure due
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Speaker 3: to high energy costs, reports to The Australian Today. With
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Speaker 3: its owners that's Rio Tinto starting talks with five hundred
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Speaker 3: staff on its future despite ongoing bailout talks for the facility. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: more jobs under threat, more manufacturing faced with closure, More
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Speaker 3: economic harm done to our economy by our own government
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Speaker 3: and its chosen policies. Again this figured in Parliament today.
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Speaker 7: In January, the Prime Minister said of Tomogo, quote five
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Speaker 7: thousand jobs depend on this facility, but Tomogo is now
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Speaker 7: in crisis, with its CEO saying future energy prices are
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Speaker 7: not commercially viable under labor. There have been closures of
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Speaker 7: the Quanana and Calgoley smelters in Wa, emergency bailouts in
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Speaker 7: Hobart Wayala, Port Pirie and Mount iSER and mayday calls
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Speaker 7: from beal Bay and Boyne smelters. How can labor promise
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Speaker 7: a future made in Australia when all it actually delivers
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Speaker 7: is future shutdowns, future job losses and higher energy prices.
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Speaker 4: This is an important and difficult period for the Tomado smelter.
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Speaker 4: The Government has been in discussions with Rio, through the
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Speaker 4: Industry Minister, the Treasurer of myself and others for some
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Speaker 4: time and we will continue that over the coming month
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Speaker 4: and for as long as it takes to make sure
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Speaker 4: that nothing is left on the field when it comes
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Speaker 4: to the future of the workers of Tomago.
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Speaker 3: All smug in his renewable enthusiasm one minute, then on
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Speaker 3: the defensive about real companies, real jobs, real families facing
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Speaker 3: oblique prospect.
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Speaker 2: That's Chris Bowen for you.
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Speaker 3: Now, in my view, time Ago probably won't close. It's
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Speaker 3: too important. It's Australia's largest aliumillium smelter. So what I
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Speaker 3: predict will happen is that the government will subsidize Tomago too.
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Speaker 3: Like so many other heavy industry operations, they'll subsidize it
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Speaker 3: to keep it going. This is the self harm that
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Speaker 3: labor and the Greens and the.
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Speaker 2: Tills are perpetuating.
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Speaker 3: Here, government policies wrecking the energy grid with the rush
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Speaker 3: to renewables, taxpayers funds tipping into this energy transition from
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Speaker 3: every direction, and taxpayers funds then subsidizing industry to keep
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Speaker 3: it going despite the harm caused by this transition. We
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Speaker 3: used to have a prosperous economy based on cheap, affordable energy.
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Speaker 3: Now we have expensive energy and a power Ponzi scheme.
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Speaker 3: We're the only ones who keep winning are the power companies,
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Speaker 3: and the rest of us all lose all of the time.
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Speaker 3: And what's astounding is that this despite all the evidence,
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Speaker 3: the rising prices, the household pain and the industries under stress,
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Speaker 3: this government remains committed to accelerating down the very same
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Speaker 3: path that's created all the problems.
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Speaker 8: And they also went on to say there is significant
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Speaker 8: uncertainty about when renewable projects will be available at the
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Speaker 8: scar we need.
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Speaker 4: Now, that's unfortunate, but we agree we should have more
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Speaker 4: renewables quicker.
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Speaker 8: Those officers would say less renewables across our country.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Chris Bowen is the energy whiz kid.
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Speaker 3: Apparently all the evidence here and right around the world
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Speaker 3: is wrong and this country is betting the whole economy
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Speaker 3: on blackout.
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Speaker 2: Bowen's renewable energy plan. Good luck.
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Speaker 3: We'll have more on this energy issue with a couple
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Speaker 3: of guests later in the program.
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Speaker 2: But I want to go now to.
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Speaker 3: Another local council, which is a bet to turn its
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Speaker 3: back on rates and rubbish and roads and venture into
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Speaker 3: the troubled area of international relations.
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Speaker 2: They love to get above their station, don't they.
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Speaker 3: A councilor at Cumberland City Council in Sydney's West wants
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Speaker 3: to deliver peace in the Middle East. Apparently well more
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Speaker 3: to the point, he wants to demonize Israel. For the
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Speaker 3: council's meeting tomorrow, Independent Ahmed uf has put up a
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Speaker 3: motion about ethical procurement policies and it puts up as
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Speaker 3: it's model, the boycott, devestment and sanctions movement, which targets
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Speaker 3: commercial dealings with Israel. The former mayor of Cumberland, now
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Speaker 3: serving as a councilor, Steve Christu, has denounced the motion
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Speaker 3: as a disgraceful example of extremism, and he joins me now,
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Speaker 3: thanks for joining us, Steve, this motion first up, do
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Speaker 3: you expect it to get much of a hearing tomorrow
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Speaker 3: or will the council give it short shrift?
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Speaker 9: Chris, I can tell you it's going to be on
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Speaker 9: at Cumberland City Council tomorrow night, because this kind of
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Speaker 9: moronic extremism needs to be vigorously opposed and dealt with. Now,
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Speaker 9: my understanding is that the Labor councilors are giving it
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Speaker 9: some consideration. That's what I've been informed by another counselor today.
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Speaker 9: So we'll see where this lies. But I'll be vigorously
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Speaker 9: opposing this.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: Tell us about what level of support you expect, Laby,
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Speaker 3: you say might support it, do you have any Green's counselors?
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Speaker 3: There are other independents as Ahmed who've got some support
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Speaker 3: for this motion, and what would it mean for the Council.
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Speaker 2: Well, look, earlier.
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Speaker 9: Today I was given a phone call by the leader
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Speaker 9: of the Liberal Caucus, Councilor Zeta, and he was concerned
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Speaker 9: and I told him I'm vigorously opposing this, and he
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Speaker 9: had indicated that his colleagues will oppose this as well.
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Speaker 9: I've spoken to a a couple of other independents and
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Speaker 9: they're going to oppose it. I haven't spoken to any
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Speaker 9: of the Labor councilors, but Councilor Zeta had indicated to
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Speaker 9: me when he spoke to me that Labor we're considering this,
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Speaker 9: but having come up with a formal position.
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Speaker 3: Well, you live in it's a very multicultural part of Sydney,
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Speaker 3: is the Cumberland City Council. This motion targets the products
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Speaker 3: from one country, from Israel alone, despite all the human
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Speaker 3: rights abuses we might see in Arab countries nearby and
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Speaker 3: other countries around the world, it singles out Israel. Why
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Speaker 3: this hatred directed at Israel? And why now when there's
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Speaker 3: a peace plan on the table.
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Speaker 9: Well, this is why we're going to oppose such extremist ideologies.
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Speaker 9: We can't tolerate this in Australia. And as elected representative
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Speaker 9: and politicians. Our focus should be on serving the Australian
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Speaker 9: people first and not overseas foreign interests, and definitely not
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Speaker 9: supporting extremist ideologies in wanting to US sanction companies affiliated
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Speaker 9: with Israel or.
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Speaker 2: The Jewish people.
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Speaker 9: It's not on It's disgraceful and it will be vigorously
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Speaker 9: opposed tomorrow night because a line in the sand needs
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Speaker 9: to be drawn and you know, people need to know
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Speaker 9: that we will not cop this kind of treatment in
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Speaker 9: Australia and most Australians do not support this ideology.
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Speaker 3: And is there any particular commercial deal or contract or
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Speaker 3: arrangement that's targeted here or do.
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Speaker 2: You think this is just general grandstanding.
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Speaker 9: Look, I think this is a broad brush. I know
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Speaker 9: our computer contracts we do lease them with Dell, so
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Speaker 9: this is a broad brush. But again, why should we
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Speaker 9: put Counsel's reputation at risk and try to exclude companies
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Speaker 9: like de Or, Hulett, Packard and Coca Cola from doing
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Speaker 9: business with Councils based on the ideologies of extremism. And
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Speaker 9: quite frankly, they're asking us to put our faith in
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Speaker 9: a company, you know, in a company overseas that wants
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Speaker 9: to dictate to us who we can and we can't
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Speaker 9: do business with. Well, to that, I say, no way,
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Speaker 9: You'll be vigorously opposed and it won't be getting up
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Speaker 9: tomorrow night's council meeting because if it does or be
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Speaker 9: a decision, and I dare say, they'll be community outrage.
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Speaker 3: Well, the council who's putting it up Med Earth. He's
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Speaker 3: an independent. He's created a few ruptions before with some
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Speaker 3: with some slinging matches.
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Speaker 2: Slanging matches in a council meeting. Have a look, your
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Speaker 2: shortest pare your shortest pat you're raising your vote. It's
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Speaker 2: not going to intimidate me. They say, if you can't
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Speaker 2: handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Well, I
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Speaker 2: am in the kitchen. There is Counselor Ahmed Uf.
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Speaker 3: Has this come out of the blue from him or
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Speaker 3: has he been agitating on these issues previously.
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Speaker 9: Look, unfortunately, in my opinion, counsel Off has form on
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Speaker 9: these kinds of issues. This one has kind of come
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Speaker 9: out of the blue. And as soon as I opened
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Speaker 9: up my business paper on Friday afternoon and saw this
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Speaker 9: horrendous motion, I was quick to action it and I say,
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Speaker 9: no way, we're going to oppose this and an example
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Speaker 9: on the line in the sand needs to be drawn.
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Speaker 2: Chris. We can't tolerate this.
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Speaker 9: Kind of behavior and this kind of our sentiment in
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Speaker 9: Australian society.
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Speaker 2: Good on you, Steve. Thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 3: Steve christ who they're the former mayor and current counselor
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Speaker 3: of Cumberland City Council. The council should stick to their knitting,
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Speaker 3: fix up the planning and the roads.
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Speaker 2: And the rubbish, and get rid of all the red tape.
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Speaker 3: That is screwing over small business. Don't try and solve
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Speaker 3: peace in the Middle East. And for crying out load loud,
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Speaker 3: don't bring your prejudices into local government to try and
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Speaker 3: demonize Israel. I had some more on local governments and
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Speaker 3: how red tape is hurting small businesses later in the program,
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Speaker 3: but I want to go back to canber now and
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Speaker 3: catch up with Melissa Macintosh. She's the shadow Communications Minister
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Speaker 3: and has been in Parliament today. Thanks for joining us, Melissa.
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Speaker 3: I firstly wanted to get your thoughts on this energy
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Speaker 3: issue and Chris Bowen being forced to reveal some of
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Speaker 3: the incoming government brief that so much of it is redacted,
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Speaker 3: so much kept secret, but it can't hide the fact
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Speaker 3: that we are looking at more price increases. Electricity prices
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Speaker 3: are going to continue to go up.
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Speaker 10: Thanks Chris Well. What was revealed today is what everyone
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Speaker 10: knows across Australia, and certainly in my electorate of Lindsay
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Speaker 10: in Western Sydney, where people are telling me that their
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Speaker 10: energy prices have gone up one thousand and thirteen hundred
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Speaker 10: dollars more than what Labor promise, remember that two hundred
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Speaker 10: and seventy five dollars less promise that they would be paying.
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Speaker 10: And people don't want Labour's renewables only policy.
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Speaker 1: They are struggling so much.
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Speaker 10: And Chris put on a song and dance today as
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Speaker 10: he does trying to cover up what people know across
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Speaker 10: this country that energy bills are skyrocketing and they are
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Speaker 10: going to continue.
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Speaker 2: To go up.
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Speaker 1: How much more pressure can people take?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the thing is we know how it hurts households
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Speaker 3: and I'm not going to downplay that at all. Is very,
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Speaker 3: very tough for households and especially people on fixed incomes,
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Speaker 3: but it's also undermining other parts of the economy and
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Speaker 3: it couldn't have happened not a worse day today of
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Speaker 3: course for cris Bown and the government because of these
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Speaker 3: revelations that the nation's largest aluminium smelter, tom Ago in
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Speaker 3: the Hunter Valley, is facing possible closure because of energy bills.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 10: I spoke to manufacturers probably twelve months ago, including one
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Speaker 10: of our country's biggest foundriies producing steel US in our
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Speaker 10: defense force, and they were at risk of closing. So
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Speaker 10: what happens to our sovereign defends our sovereign manufacturing the
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Speaker 10: strength of our nation when our uminion smelters foundries are
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Speaker 10: at risk of closing, and right across Western Sydney heavy
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Speaker 10: industry manufacturing is at risk as well. You go to
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Speaker 10: a manufacturer and they say, I could put all the
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Speaker 10: solar panels in the world and my roof, but that's
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Speaker 10: not going to power our furnace that we need to
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Speaker 10: produce Australian made. So I think this is another story
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Speaker 10: that is real life. People are going to be potentially
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Speaker 10: losing jobs. Whole communities are made around this type of
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Speaker 10: manufacturing and it is a future.
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Speaker 1: The government talks.
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Speaker 10: About the future of Australia and you know, rah Ra's
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Speaker 10: about Australian made. But where's the truth in that when
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Speaker 10: Australian made is being decimated exactly.
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Speaker 3: We cannot have Australian manufacturing without cheap, affordable, reliable energy.
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Speaker 2: And just to underscore that point to how important.
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Speaker 3: Tomago is to the industrial economy in the Hunter Valley.
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister and other ministers were there earlier this
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Speaker 3: year in January talking it up.
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Speaker 2: Have a look.
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Speaker 5: This is what a future made in Australia looks like.
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Speaker 5: Us taking the products that come out of the ground
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Speaker 5: in Weeper at the book site mine, making sure that
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Speaker 5: work occurs glad and then the final product comes out
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Speaker 5: here at tom Ago.
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Speaker 2: Near there we go alb and easy.
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Speaker 3: They're talking up tom Ago, the very plant that is
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Speaker 3: now under threat that could be facing closure because of
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Speaker 3: the high electricity prices that his government has delivered. I
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Speaker 3: want to get onto your portfolio areas now, Melissa in
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Speaker 3: Communications and first up. But a triple zero bill that
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Speaker 3: was before Parliament today that hasn't gone anywhere. This is
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Speaker 3: in the wake of the OBTUS problems and trying to
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Speaker 3: secure triples zero services or triple O services for everyone
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Speaker 3: around the country.
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Speaker 2: What was this bill going to do and what's the
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Speaker 2: problem been here?
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Speaker 10: This issue has been a disaster from the very beginning,
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Speaker 10: when Optus experienced those triple zero outages and sadly people
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Speaker 10: did die.
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Speaker 1: The Minister held a couple of press conferences.
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Speaker 10: The Communications Minister then toofed off overseas and left the
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Speaker 10: crisis to unfold.
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Speaker 1: And we've been pushing real hard.
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Speaker 10: I have on half the coalition to ensure that there
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Speaker 10: is transparency that Australians know when outages occur so they
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Speaker 10: can choose one telco over another. We know exactly what's
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Speaker 10: happening across the country around triple zero outages and to
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Speaker 10: find these companies. I wanted to increase the fines from
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Speaker 10: ten million, and we even offered to do a deal
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Speaker 10: with the Greens in the Senate up to forty million
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Speaker 10: dollars and they said no. They had some sort of
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Speaker 10: dirty deal going on with the Labor Party and now
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Speaker 10: that it's going to be down to thirty million and they.
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Speaker 1: Said to no.
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Speaker 10: To more transparency, we wanted a public register of these outages.
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Speaker 10: And now the Minister is putting the onus back on
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Speaker 10: the telcos. But as if the telcos are going to really,
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Speaker 10: you know, stand up and put the hand up when
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Speaker 10: they're doing something wrong. So there hasn't been a prioritization
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Speaker 10: of people's safety, people's lives. There is nothing more important
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Speaker 10: than protecting your citizens. The government's sort of letting us
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Speaker 10: down in a huge way, and we're hearing just today
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Speaker 10: there has been another problem where a woman in her
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Speaker 10: seventies in Gippsland's tried to call Triple zero. She's a
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Speaker 10: former nurse and couldn't get through and now apparently just
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Speaker 10: has no coverage in that area until Sunday.
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Speaker 1: This is a major, major, the.
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Speaker 2: Hell of a problem.
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Speaker 3: It is a hell of a problem, and they've got
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Speaker 3: to put the onus on them. They can't we just
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Speaker 3: to rely on these companies. We've been down that path
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Speaker 3: and it hasn't worked. We've got to have government pressure.
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Speaker 3: There's got to be that transparency and rigor as you suggest.
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Speaker 3: I just want to get your thoughts to on the
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Speaker 3: social media band. Biggest development today in that Snapchat, TikTok
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Speaker 3: and Meta or Facebook and Instagram have all said now
21:39
Speaker 3: that they can comply as of early December this year
21:42
Speaker 3: they will make sure that no one under the age
21:45
Speaker 3: of sixteen can sign up for their social media services.
21:49
Speaker 3: Do you think there's been a game of bluff until
21:51
Speaker 3: now they are always able to do this word though
21:53
Speaker 3: they've got the technology to make this work.
21:57
Speaker 10: I think more than that, the government has sort of
22:02
Speaker 10: claimed success before the band has been in place, which
22:06
Speaker 10: is December tenth, and I've been questioning.
22:08
Speaker 1: All along whether there.
22:10
Speaker 10: Will be a successful outcome. And it's separate to we
22:14
Speaker 10: care about the kids. We want kids to be safe online.
22:18
Speaker 10: But it has also been revealed that and I've been
22:21
Speaker 10: warning about this for some time now, that digital ID
22:26
Speaker 10: may need to be used, that social media companies may
22:29
Speaker 10: ask for digital ID. And I said to the E
22:32
Speaker 10: Safety Commissioner, who you know, I'm probably not her best friend,
22:35
Speaker 10: because I've been putting pressure on her, wanting an inquiry
22:38
Speaker 10: into the use of her power. As I said, you've
22:41
Speaker 10: got the powers to enforce digital ID, and she pretty
22:43
Speaker 10: much said, well, I might have the powers, but I
22:45
Speaker 10: don't intend.
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Speaker 1: To use them. So there are question marks.
22:48
Speaker 10: Now Australian wants to be forced to use digital ID
22:52
Speaker 10: to verify their age. This is moving beyond just protecting
22:56
Speaker 10: our kids. We want them to be safe, but the
22:59
Speaker 10: whole point of this band was to get kids offline
23:03
Speaker 10: and to stop that terrible bullying that goes on and
23:06
Speaker 10: inappropriate content.
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Speaker 1: We'll see how it goes. There's still question.
23:10
Speaker 10: Marks abroound which platforms are even in or out, and
23:12
Speaker 10: we've only got weeks to go.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't want everyone forced into a digital id situation.
23:17
Speaker 3: And if you're not a friend of the E Karen,
23:19
Speaker 3: then you're probably a friend of the voters of Australia.
23:22
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Melissa. I appreciate it, Melissa McIntosh
23:26
Speaker 3: there on those communications issues as well as the electricity situation,
23:31
Speaker 3: we've got to take a break. On the other side
23:33
Speaker 3: of that, you've got to check in on how small
23:35
Speaker 3: businesses are facing huge costs and interminable delays thanks to
23:40
Speaker 3: local government red tape. Business New South Wales has done
23:50
Speaker 3: a bit of a survey that I'm certain would be
23:52
Speaker 3: replicated right around this country. It's looking at how small
23:55
Speaker 3: business is hamstrung by local government red tape, planning, delays,
24:01
Speaker 3: costs and all the rest of it. I'm joined now
24:03
Speaker 3: by Paul Nikolaur who's with Business Sydney.
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Speaker 2: He's the executive director. Good to talk to you, Paul.
24:09
Speaker 2: This is frightening stuff.
24:10
Speaker 3: It's great to see this survey done because it's a
24:12
Speaker 3: bit of a bugbear of mine.
24:13
Speaker 2: Right around the country, small businesses.
24:17
Speaker 3: Are busting their backsides to to create jobs and make
24:21
Speaker 3: their business profitable from week to week, but they face
24:25
Speaker 3: so many hurdles from local government about whether they can
24:29
Speaker 3: put a sign up, whether they can knock out a skylight,
24:33
Speaker 3: where they can add on a room, where they can
24:34
Speaker 3: change the name of their business. Tell us about just
24:38
Speaker 3: how much of an inhibiting factor this is for business
24:41
Speaker 3: across Sydney and of course right across the country.
24:44
Speaker 2: Really, Chris, you one hundred percent correct.
24:48
Speaker 11: You know that we have five hundred and thirty seven
24:51
Speaker 11: councils across the country. As you know, we've got eight
24:55
Speaker 11: governments that includes a federal government and state governments and territories.
24:59
Speaker 11: And then on top of that we've got eight departments
25:01
Speaker 11: of education, eight departments of transport, eight departments of infrastructure.
25:05
Speaker 11: In when you go down to the minutia of local
25:08
Speaker 11: council it is unbelievable for a population of nearly twenty
25:11
Speaker 11: seven million people.
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Speaker 2: And you're right.
25:13
Speaker 11: A survey that we did recently found that the biggest
25:16
Speaker 11: issue for small and medium sized businesses is red tape.
25:20
Speaker 11: Too much of it, too costly, and it's a waste
25:23
Speaker 11: of time. And that's why this survey is going to
25:26
Speaker 11: help us to advocate both at the federal government, at
25:30
Speaker 11: the state government and at the local government that red
25:33
Speaker 11: tape needs to be taken seriously. Governments in the past
25:37
Speaker 11: have talked about looking at red tape.
25:39
Speaker 2: Only the state government.
25:40
Speaker 11: Here in u South Wales, we've seen some move to
25:42
Speaker 11: remove some of this red tape and when it comes
25:45
Speaker 11: to local councils, it's unbelievable and that's why we're desperate
25:49
Speaker 11: for the federal government, state and local governments so seriously
25:52
Speaker 11: look at trying to reduce them out of red tape
25:54
Speaker 11: and trying to remove it and get so businesses get
25:57
Speaker 11: on with getting on with business.
25:59
Speaker 3: You were just saved so much money to start with
26:02
Speaker 3: by the councils or the bureaucracy they're wasting on this.
26:06
Speaker 3: Plus you would unleash small business and create more jobs.
26:11
Speaker 2: There's been some classic examples.
26:13
Speaker 3: One little one highlighted by the Daily Telegraph today is
26:15
Speaker 3: a small businessman at Sydney just wants approval to put
26:18
Speaker 3: a sign on his window and it takes him a
26:22
Speaker 3: year to get the approval and costs fifteen thousand dollars
26:26
Speaker 3: this is insane, right, Oh.
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Speaker 11: It's unbelievable and it's a shocking that we've got this
26:33
Speaker 11: type of red tape that's causing so much problem for
26:37
Speaker 11: a small and medium sized business. Some of the bigger
26:39
Speaker 11: businesses can deal with it because they've got the resources
26:42
Speaker 11: and the staff, but when it comes to a small
26:44
Speaker 11: and medium size it's a major problem. And that's why
26:47
Speaker 11: we're calling on the New South Wales Government to work
26:50
Speaker 11: with councils to establish a portal so that small businesses
26:55
Speaker 11: can refer red tape issues to that portal and try
26:59
Speaker 11: to have them dealt with appropriate lead. But we're also
27:01
Speaker 11: calling on the New South Wales Government and the the
27:05
Speaker 11: local government councils in New South Wales to standardize their
27:09
Speaker 11: develop applications and building applications and then finally to reduce
27:14
Speaker 11: the cost of these applications because there's also a financial
27:16
Speaker 11: burden that's on businesses, and not only those costs, but
27:20
Speaker 11: there's also energy costs. There's also other fees and charges
27:24
Speaker 11: that federal, state and local government impinge on small businesses
27:28
Speaker 11: and it's unfair and if we're really keen to do
27:31
Speaker 11: something about productivity in this country, the one stop that
27:34
Speaker 11: we need to look at is red tape spot on.
27:38
Speaker 2: There's so much to be cut.
27:39
Speaker 3: I think we've got one of those small business owners
27:42
Speaker 3: just speaking I use on camera here for the Daily Telegraph.
27:47
Speaker 12: We are in the middle of trying to relocate our business,
27:50
Speaker 12: which has required us to do some very minor modifications
27:54
Speaker 12: to our new site at Smithfield. Despite the modifications being
27:57
Speaker 12: fairly minor, we have required to go through in our
28:00
Speaker 12: soup of approvals. Process has been long and despite using
28:06
Speaker 12: the best professionals we could find. Any error in the
28:09
Speaker 12: process means that you go back to square one.
28:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just such a waste.
28:14
Speaker 13: Now.
28:14
Speaker 3: We all know that the federal government wastes a lot
28:16
Speaker 3: of money and time and so to state governments, but
28:19
Speaker 3: we don't talk enough about local government. There's hundreds of
28:22
Speaker 3: millions of dollars to be saved around the country and
28:26
Speaker 3: a lot of economic activity to be unleashed if we
28:28
Speaker 3: pull back local government. Let's hope someone takes it on.
28:32
Speaker 3: Just while I've got you there, Paul, you did mention
28:34
Speaker 3: energy prices. I've got to get your perspective on this
28:37
Speaker 3: because our escalating energy prices, which we know now thanks
28:42
Speaker 3: to revelations again today are.
28:44
Speaker 2: Only going to keep going up.
28:46
Speaker 3: These are really crushing small business, aren't they.
28:50
Speaker 2: Oh totally, Chris.
28:51
Speaker 11: And it's just unbelievable and depressing because these businesses have
28:55
Speaker 11: struggled through COVID and then subsequently the downturn in the economy,
29:00
Speaker 11: and then you've got on top of that, discretionary spend
29:03
Speaker 11: has fallen, foot traffic has fallen because there's still a
29:06
Speaker 11: lot of people are still working from home.
29:08
Speaker 2: And if you're a business.
29:09
Speaker 11: In the CBD, whether you're in Sydney or in Brisbane
29:12
Speaker 11: or in Melbourne, I mean, it's a big issue. And
29:14
Speaker 11: energy is one of those costs that just keeps going up.
29:17
Speaker 11: It doesn't seem to be coming down at all. And
29:19
Speaker 11: that's why we're calling on the federal government and the
29:22
Speaker 11: opposition really to work collectively and work together to try
29:26
Speaker 11: to help reduce the cost of energy, because you know,
29:29
Speaker 11: sooner or later we're not going to have any businesses
29:31
Speaker 11: running in any of our cities because they just can't
29:34
Speaker 11: afford it. The cost of labor, the cost of energy,
29:36
Speaker 11: as I said, the red tape, the drop in discretionary spend,
29:41
Speaker 11: and all the other fees and charges that both local government,
29:44
Speaker 11: state government and federal government.
29:46
Speaker 2: Impose on business.
29:47
Speaker 11: And if we're serious about doing something about productivity, it's
29:50
Speaker 11: about looking at red tape and doing something about energy.
29:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, time to get cracking. Thanks so much for joining us, Paul.
29:56
Speaker 3: I appreciate Paul Nicola out there from Business A, Sydney.
29:59
Speaker 3: He's the executive direct their energy. It is the lifeblood
30:02
Speaker 3: of our economy. And red tape. You know, it's like
30:05
Speaker 3: all that's hardening of the arteries, isn't it got to
30:08
Speaker 3: take a break. On the other side, Kristen Tate in
30:11
Speaker 3: the US, some Trump supporters daring to fantasize about an
30:16
Speaker 3: impossible third term. The coalition has helped us secure an
30:28
Speaker 3: extension for consultation over a government plan that could see
30:32
Speaker 3: regional speed limits reduced. Under the proposal, speed limits on
30:36
Speaker 3: country roads could get a new default limit as low
30:40
Speaker 3: as seventy kilometers an hour. Joining me now as Shadow
30:43
Speaker 3: Minister for Regional Development and Webster.
30:45
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us again.
30:47
Speaker 3: And I wanted to follow up with you because you
30:48
Speaker 3: were drawing attention to this a couple of weeks ago.
30:52
Speaker 3: There's been a bit of a reprieve, but you're not
30:54
Speaker 3: out of the woods yet.
30:57
Speaker 14: Absolutely not. Chris What I fear most is that this
31:01
Speaker 14: is really a Clayton's consultation. The fact that it was
31:05
Speaker 14: never announced and that it was actually due to finish yesterday.
31:10
Speaker 14: The Minister has wisely extended by two weeks. So I
31:14
Speaker 14: urge people in the country please have your say. The
31:19
Speaker 14: government is looking and this is the ridiculous nature of it.
31:23
Speaker 14: The parameters around this consultation are only to see whether
31:27
Speaker 14: the default speed limit should drop from one hundred kilometers
31:30
Speaker 14: an hour to maybe ninety seventy and people can have
31:36
Speaker 14: their say, well, what about just fixing the roads? This
31:40
Speaker 14: is the issue, and you know people out in the
31:43
Speaker 14: country know this and are so frustrated across Australia. I
31:48
Speaker 14: was in Western Australia last week and they've got more
31:51
Speaker 14: money over there, I've just got to say, and they're
31:53
Speaker 14: doing much better with their roads. But nonetheless, this would
31:56
Speaker 14: be a national decision, albeit in conjunction with the States,
32:02
Speaker 14: to make that default speed limit as low as seventy
32:05
Speaker 14: kilometers an hour. I have not had one person who
32:08
Speaker 14: thought this was a good idea.
32:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems unnecessary too, right, this is a default
32:13
Speaker 3: speed limit for those roads that don't have signage at
32:16
Speaker 3: the moment that a fault speed limit is one hundred.
32:18
Speaker 2: But if these are back roads that.
32:20
Speaker 3: Aren't signposted, well people know them and as you say,
32:23
Speaker 3: if they're in poor condition.
32:24
Speaker 2: They're not going to try and drive a hundred on them.
32:27
Speaker 3: And this is not where all the road accidents and
32:29
Speaker 3: road fatalities are occurring.
32:32
Speaker 14: Well look the numbers in terms of fatalities, and you know,
32:36
Speaker 14: God forbid there are any. But nonetheless the fatalities out
32:40
Speaker 14: in the regions are worse. But you have to look
32:43
Speaker 14: at the reason and to you're absolutely right. People who
32:47
Speaker 14: live out in those regions, they know the roads. They've
32:50
Speaker 14: been living there in some situations, you know their entire
32:54
Speaker 14: lives and are very familiar with the roads.
32:57
Speaker 2: And what I.
32:58
Speaker 14: Think is how this will impact family life. You know,
33:02
Speaker 14: parents taking their kids to school or to the sports,
33:05
Speaker 14: or to visit Nana, you know, or farmers taking product
33:10
Speaker 14: to port. They use those roads. And if those roads
33:13
Speaker 14: are slowed down to seventy kilometers an hour, people will
33:16
Speaker 14: be more frustrated, and justifiably so if that decision is made.
33:23
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, and good luck to that and Webster,
33:26
Speaker 3: there are are you going to get to make your
33:27
Speaker 3: voice heard? So jump onto the website of contact then
33:31
Speaker 3: and make sure that you have your say on this
33:32
Speaker 3: if you want those speed limits left alone in country Australia. Now,
33:37
Speaker 3: I want to get to the US now, and the President,
33:39
Speaker 3: of course, Donald Trump is in Tokyo, where he's been
33:42
Speaker 3: lauding Japan's first female Prime minister, san Ai Takeichi, and
33:46
Speaker 3: he's promised increased defense cooperation.
33:51
Speaker 15: We've received your orders for a very large amount of
33:55
Speaker 15: new military equipment. And you know that we make the
33:57
Speaker 15: best military equipment in the world. The judge, the missiles
34:01
Speaker 15: and everything else, and hopefully we don't have to use
34:03
Speaker 15: them very much, if at all. But we appreciate that order,
34:07
Speaker 15: and we very much appreciate the trade. We're going to
34:10
Speaker 15: do tremendous trade together.
34:13
Speaker 3: And this is an important scene center as Trump prepares
34:16
Speaker 3: to meet China's Shi Jimping in coming days. But back
34:19
Speaker 3: in the US, there's been a flurry of speculation about
34:22
Speaker 3: whether President Trump might be looking for a way to
34:25
Speaker 3: serve a third term. As I put to our US
34:28
Speaker 3: analyst Christen Tate, this is a bit of a furfy,
34:30
Speaker 3: surely because the Constitution precludes it.
34:35
Speaker 13: As much as some of us would love a third
34:37
Speaker 13: Donald Trump term.
34:39
Speaker 2: It is unconstitutional.
34:40
Speaker 13: But there is a reason, Chris, that I think President
34:43
Speaker 13: Trump has kind of been teasing this beyond just making
34:46
Speaker 13: the mainstream media talking heads lose their mind, which is hilarious.
34:50
Speaker 13: But the reason he might be kind of teasing this
34:53
Speaker 13: idea even though it's not going to happen, is that
34:56
Speaker 13: it does sort of help him stave off a lame
34:59
Speaker 13: duckstaf now wayme duck. That usually applies to someone who's
35:02
Speaker 13: in office and was not voted for again and they're
35:06
Speaker 13: kind of waiting for the next person to come in,
35:07
Speaker 13: but it can also be used to apply to It
35:09
Speaker 13: can also be applied to second term presidents, you know,
35:13
Speaker 13: and as their second term kind of comes to an end,
35:15
Speaker 13: people around them start making plans for the future that
35:18
Speaker 13: doesn't necessarily involve them at the center of those plans. Now,
35:21
Speaker 13: it's ridiculous to think that Republicans will completely cut themselves
35:25
Speaker 13: off from Donald Trump. He is the beating heart of
35:27
Speaker 13: the Republican Party. However, people around him, even some of
35:31
Speaker 13: his allies like Marjorie Taylor Green in Congress, they have
35:34
Speaker 13: been sort of talking more about the future and what
35:38
Speaker 13: the GOP looks like without Donald Trump at the very
35:41
Speaker 13: center of it years down the line, So I think
35:43
Speaker 13: that's what that might be about. But no, I don't
35:45
Speaker 13: think we're going to see a third Donald Trump term.
35:48
Speaker 2: They're a tricky wise around.
35:49
Speaker 3: That's been suggested he could get elected as vice president
35:52
Speaker 3: and then have whoever was elected president on.
35:55
Speaker 2: The stay beside for him, but he has ruled that out.
35:57
Speaker 2: I'm like Donald Trump, but he's actually said I wouldn't
36:00
Speaker 2: do that, that it's too tricky.
36:02
Speaker 3: But interestingly, while some of this was being raised with
36:05
Speaker 3: him on Air Force One, with Marco Rubio, the Secretary
36:08
Speaker 3: of State, over his shoulder, he went in big on
36:11
Speaker 3: a JD Evan's Marco Rubio ticket to succeed him.
36:15
Speaker 2: Have a look, No, we have great people.
36:18
Speaker 15: I don't have to get into that, but we have
36:19
Speaker 15: one of them standing right here. We have JD.
36:23
Speaker 2: Obviously, the vice president is great. I think Marco is great.
36:27
Speaker 15: I think I'm not sure if anybody would run against us.
36:31
Speaker 2: I think if there beforemed a group would be let's
36:34
Speaker 2: stop him.
36:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, a vance Rubio ticket would be a pretty good one,
36:39
Speaker 3: especially weren't compared to anything the Democrats could throw up
36:42
Speaker 3: at the moment.
36:44
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean clearly. Right now jd Vance seems the
36:47
Speaker 13: most well positioned to take the Maga mantle. But it's
36:51
Speaker 13: so early to know who is going to be the
36:54
Speaker 13: next nominee, and the Republican bench is just remarkably deep
36:57
Speaker 13: right now. We got Marco Rubio, the Virgin Governor, Glenn Youngkin,
37:01
Speaker 13: he's a rising star. We've still got Ron DeSantis, nobody
37:04
Speaker 13: knows what he's going to do next. We've got Sarah
37:06
Speaker 13: Huckabee Sanders, Tim Scott, Josh Holly, many others. So I
37:11
Speaker 13: don't know who the next sort of Trump is going
37:14
Speaker 13: to be. There will never be another Trump but the
37:15
Speaker 13: next leader of the Republican Party. But sure, right now
37:18
Speaker 13: jd Vance looks to be the front runner. The real question,
37:21
Speaker 13: Chris's who are the Democrats going to kind of come around.
37:26
Speaker 1: And boost up?
37:27
Speaker 13: Because their bench is remarkably shallow. They have got a
37:30
Speaker 13: bunch of duds like Kamala Harris, Gavin Newsom who has
37:34
Speaker 13: destroyed California, Gretchen Widmer, I've never seen anybody more unlikable
37:39
Speaker 13: than her, Pete Boudagez. These are a bunch of losers.
37:42
Speaker 13: Who are the Democrats going to run who could beat
37:45
Speaker 13: any of those phenomenal Republicans I just mentioned. I don't know.
37:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, these are logically people that Donald Trump has humiliated
37:52
Speaker 3: in the past.
37:53
Speaker 2: Let's bring it right down to.
37:54
Speaker 3: Local political level now, and the mayor Oll Rice for
37:58
Speaker 3: the great City of New York and the Democrat front
38:01
Speaker 3: runner at the moments are in mandami creating all sorts
38:06
Speaker 3: of controversy for various reasons. Have a look at this
38:09
Speaker 3: lester rally speech from him.
38:12
Speaker 15: Together, New York, We're going to freeze together, New York.
38:18
Speaker 3: We're going to the bus.
38:21
Speaker 2: Together, New York.
38:22
Speaker 1: We're going to deliver.
38:23
Speaker 3: Universal Well, there's lots more to talk about with this guy, Kristian,
38:30
Speaker 3: but he's talking about rent phrases, free buses, free childcare.
38:34
Speaker 2: It's just a giveaway for everyone who's going to pay.
38:39
Speaker 13: Great question. You're a socialist who hates the United States
38:42
Speaker 13: and everything it stands for, is likely going to be
38:45
Speaker 13: the next mayor of our nation's largest city, New York City.
38:49
Speaker 13: This is this will be devastating for the country. This
38:51
Speaker 13: guy is soft on crime. He wants to let all
38:54
Speaker 13: the criminals out of prison. He wants to destroy the
38:56
Speaker 13: housing market with rent freezes. He wants to put in
38:59
Speaker 13: place government and run grocery stores. A part of me,
39:02
Speaker 13: Chris wants to say, you know, if they vote for him,
39:05
Speaker 13: New York City deserves what they get. But this is
39:07
Speaker 13: our nation's largest city. This is where Wall Street is
39:11
Speaker 13: the largest US city. Failing and becoming the next Detroit
39:14
Speaker 13: would be absolutely devastating, and we will see a massive
39:19
Speaker 13: exodus out of New York City if this socialist is elected.
39:23
Speaker 13: I wrote a whole book about this. It's called the
39:24
Speaker 13: liberal invasion of Red State America. People have been leaving
39:28
Speaker 13: places like New York and going to Florida for many years.
39:31
Speaker 13: Now that will go into overdrive. And keep this in mind,
39:36
Speaker 13: the top one percent of taxpayers in New York right
39:39
Speaker 13: now fund fifty percent of New York's coffers with their
39:43
Speaker 13: income taxes. If just that one percent leaves, it's a
39:46
Speaker 13: very small number of very rich individuals. If they pack
39:49
Speaker 13: up and leave New York and go to Florida or
39:51
Speaker 13: other states because their city gets destroyed, that would completely
39:56
Speaker 13: devastate the tax base of New York. And you think
39:58
Speaker 13: they can't pay for these pie in the sky plans, now,
40:01
Speaker 13: just wait until that top one percent leaves and there
40:03
Speaker 13: is no money left.
40:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, Let's wait and see how guys. A lot of sensible.
40:07
Speaker 3: Democrats trying to cut him off, but at the moment
40:10
Speaker 3: he seems unsoppable.
40:12
Speaker 2: We'll see where we go.
40:13
Speaker 3: I've got to get your thoughts, Kristen on a great
40:16
Speaker 3: love match, a great celebrity story that's s whip you
40:19
Speaker 3: across the world with the former Canadian Prime Minister Justin
40:22
Speaker 3: Trudeau that's officially dating Katy Perry. What do you think
40:27
Speaker 3: of this great meeting of liberal minds?
40:30
Speaker 13: You know what, if it gets Katy Perry out of
40:33
Speaker 13: the US and up to Canada, I am all for it.
40:36
Speaker 13: Canada can have Katy Perry. You guys take her. This
40:40
Speaker 13: woman is so shrilled and they deserve each other. I
40:43
Speaker 13: hope they are very happy.
40:46
Speaker 3: They could have Katy Perry, because you know, we had
40:49
Speaker 3: Leonard Cohen and Gordon Lightfoot and Neil Young and Katie Lang.
40:54
Speaker 3: It's only fair they get Katy Perry back exactly.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for doing us, Kristen Chief.
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Speaker 2: Kristen Tate.
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Speaker 3: There now a list of some great American Canadian singer
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Speaker 2: There most of the people around here have never heard
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Speaker 2: of them. They're too young.
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Speaker 3: They know Katie Lang but not the others. Good the
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Speaker 3: homework for them to chase up, chase that one up.
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Speaker 3: Now we're going to go to a break. Just before
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Speaker 3: we go there, I want to show you what's happening
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Speaker 3: in Japan at the moment. This is on a US
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Speaker 3: military base in Japan. The choppers there landing expecting Donald
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Speaker 3: Trump to get off there any moment. So Donald Trump
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Speaker 3: visiting American troops there in Japan.
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Speaker 2: We'll go to the break.
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Speaker 3: Now on the other side of that, we'll catch up
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Speaker 3: with cus O Brien and Stephen Senta Tiempo.
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Speaker 2: One of the things we'll talking about is can you
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Speaker 2: believe this?
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Speaker 3: There's preferential treatment for indigenous people at Victorian hospitals.
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Speaker 2: Now we'll go to the panel in a moment.
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Speaker 3: But just to close the circle on what's happening in
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Speaker 3: Japan at the moment. Having got these pictures, now, as
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Speaker 3: the US President Donald Trump has arrived, he's actually on
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Speaker 3: the USS George Washington, a nuclear powered aircraft carrier docked
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Speaker 3: at the Yokosuka Naval Base in Japan. So there he
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Speaker 3: is inspecting the troops, meeting the troops. He'll be delivering
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Speaker 3: an address there from that Nimitz classed nuclear powered aircraft carrier.
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Speaker 2: Docked in the naval base in Japan.
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Speaker 3: US President Donald Trump right there, of course, spending his
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Speaker 3: time in East Asia, on his way to South Korea,
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Speaker 3: where he'll catch.
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Speaker 2: Up with Shi Jingping.
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Speaker 3: Let's bring it back to the panel now in joining
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Speaker 3: me as ever on a Wednesday from the nation's capital
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Speaker 3: with Stephen sena tempo from two Double C, the breakfast
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Speaker 3: host there, and Suzi O'Brien joins us from Melbourne, where
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Speaker 3: she's the national Education editor the News Court Papers.
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Speaker 2: Thanks both for joining us again. Sus You've got to
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Speaker 2: start with you. It's always always happening in Melbourne.
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Speaker 3: Tell me how this major hospital, Saint Vincent's can have
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Speaker 3: as part of its sort of criteria if you are
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Speaker 3: part of its goals to deliver preferential service, faster treatment
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Speaker 3: to Indigenous Australians than anybody else.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is just amazing.
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Speaker 16: This is the herold Son's front page story today and
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Speaker 16: I just couldn't believe it. Like I understand that there
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Speaker 16: is a need for Indigenous people to be given preference
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Speaker 16: for say education, to make up for prior wrongs or inequity,
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Speaker 16: but in a hospital waiting room, in an emergency department,
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Speaker 16: it should be solely on the basis of need right there,
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Speaker 16: and then there is a tree our system that works
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Speaker 16: out category one, Category two, creategory three.
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Speaker 1: You shouldn't be.
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Speaker 16: Able to jump the queue just because you're part of
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Speaker 16: a particular group. It's absolutely outrageous. And if my kids
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Speaker 16: were there on that night and that happened, I would
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Speaker 16: be furious.
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Speaker 2: It is quite disgraceful.
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Speaker 3: Yet the Premier just said to Alan today has defended
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Speaker 3: and Stephen, this is exactly it.
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Speaker 2: Right. People should be on the treated on the basis
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Speaker 2: of need.
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Speaker 3: You shouldn't be fast tracking anyone based on how much
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Speaker 3: money they've got, what gender they are, or what race
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Speaker 3: they are.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, look, the reality is Chris, that if you know,
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Speaker 6: we know that Indigenous Australians are more prone to have
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Speaker 6: comorbidities in those things, and if that's the case here,
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Speaker 6: that we're talking about Indigenous people needing the care more
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Speaker 6: urgently than a non Indigenous Australian, fair enough, But that's
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Speaker 6: not what's happening here. We're talking about Indigenous Australian with
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Speaker 6: X y Z being treated preferentially over non Indigenous Australian
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Speaker 6: with X y Z. It's absolutely disgraceful and I've got
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Speaker 6: to say I spent the weekend in Melbourne. I wish
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Speaker 6: I could say this was the least of their problems,
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Speaker 6: but it's just a It's an indicative of a government
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Speaker 6: that seems to be going even further down the gurglar
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Speaker 6: that already is. And this is the same government that
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Speaker 6: locked its own citizens up for the better part of
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Speaker 6: two years and is now giving preference to a certain
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Speaker 6: group of Australians. And this comes off the back of
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Speaker 6: the whole Voice debate. I mean Australia voted against the
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Speaker 6: Voice to Parliament. Victoria seems to be pushing ahead with
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Speaker 6: its own agenda on this kind of thing anyway, and
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Speaker 6: this is probably just a byproduct of that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Now, dare you mention the Voice and my support
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Speaker 3: for it? But I never support this sort of preferential treatment, Susie,
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Speaker 3: this is disgraceful. You've got administer care on the basis
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Speaker 3: of need. There is there any sense of the community
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Speaker 3: being outraged about this in Victoria today?
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Speaker 2: Is the opposition making hey with it?
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Speaker 16: Or the opposition are saying they absolutely would not support it,
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Speaker 16: and they would wind it back if they came in power,
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Speaker 16: and they certainly same with the treaty. It just seems
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Speaker 16: to me to be completely wrong footed because all it's
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Speaker 16: going to do is foster great resentment towards Indigenous people,
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Speaker 16: which is the last thing we need at this point
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Speaker 16: in time. But if people feel that at the time
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Speaker 16: of need, there's someone else who's going to see that
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Speaker 16: doctor get out of that waiting room, get into the
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Speaker 16: next phase of that er system of them on the
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Speaker 16: basis of their race over their knees, it just seems
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Speaker 16: entirely the wrong message.
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Speaker 3: Absolute shocker. Now, speaking of governments getting it wrong, the
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Speaker 3: Bureau of Meteorology has spent a lot of our extra money,
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Speaker 3: Stephen redesigning their website very well and good.
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Speaker 2: They're all very happy with it.
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Speaker 3: Trouble is, it doesn't really work for the people who
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Speaker 3: are using it. They're saying in Queensland with their storms
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Speaker 3: in recent days as actually could have cost lives because
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Speaker 3: people couldn't access the weather warnings that they needed.
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Speaker 6: Chris is somebody that has to do weather reports on
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Speaker 6: the hour on my program. I'm going to say I've
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Speaker 6: never ever used the bomb website. Because it is deficient.
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Speaker 6: There are better ways to do it. But it doesn't
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Speaker 6: surprise me. I mean, this is a typical government operation,
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Speaker 6: isn't it. You've spent four point one million dollars doing
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Speaker 6: something that doesn't work, you know. I mean the act
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Speaker 6: government will be watching this.
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Speaker 2: Geez.
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Speaker 6: I wonder if we can do that one of our websites.
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Speaker 2: It's just extraordinary that.
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Speaker 6: We spend all of this money trying to reinvent the
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Speaker 6: wheel all the time.
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Speaker 2: You know, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, if the website was working right and most people
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Speaker 3: knew their way around, I suppose change is always hard,
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Speaker 3: but you've got to make sure it works, especially something
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Speaker 3: as important as this.
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Speaker 2: Now, I want to.
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Speaker 3: Show you both something that's happened in the UK where
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Speaker 3: the King, Prince Charles is being heckled about the behavior
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Speaker 3: and his knowledge of the behavior. He's alleged knowledge of
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Speaker 3: the behavior of his little brother.
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Speaker 2: Have a look.
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Speaker 1: Learn about and next thing.
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Speaker 3: Oh boy, this Prince Andrew thing is casting a Paul
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Speaker 3: over the whole show.
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Speaker 2: Isn't it, Susie. Yeah.
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Speaker 16: And the sooner they cut him loose, the better, I mean, honestly,
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Speaker 16: but the Royal Family, I think have been found wanting
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Speaker 16: on this topic. They've only really taken steps to address
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Speaker 16: this when there's been a.
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Speaker 1: Massive public outcry.
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Speaker 16: They didn't do anything about it until they absolutely had to.
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Speaker 16: And now they've got someone who was on a peppercorn
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Speaker 16: rent for twenty years, and the Royal Family would have known,
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Speaker 16: they would have been a whole team of people working
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Speaker 16: out exactly where they stood in terms of he's stood
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Speaker 16: in terms of Jeffrey Epstein. They have been dragged, kicking
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Speaker 16: and screaming to do anything. And I'm not surprised that
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Speaker 16: this kind of outcry is greeting the King at the moment.
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Speaker 3: These people they slide down the line of succession Steven
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Speaker 3: and they get wilder and wilder. Maybe they should just
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Speaker 3: cut them all off and force them to get real jobs.
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Speaker 2: Well, look, I'm going to defend the king on this one.
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Speaker 6: I don't know for sure that he knew exactly what
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Speaker 6: his brother was up to, because clearly his brother was
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Speaker 6: outside off the reservation. But when you say they were
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Speaker 6: drag kicking and screaming, there's very little the Royal family
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Speaker 6: can actually do about Andrew. It requires an active parliament
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Speaker 6: to have his full royal title removed, so that's up
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Speaker 6: to the government to do that. But I think the
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Speaker 6: royal family's donwhat it can. They've sacked him from all
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Speaker 6: of these positions at the twenty the Peppercorn rent, I mean,
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Speaker 6: we're talking about a group of people paying rent to themselves. Effectively,
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Speaker 6: you know, we'll be talking about paying taxes to the crown.
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Speaker 6: They are the crown.
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Speaker 2: So we'll see.
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Speaker 3: Leave it up to the law enforcement officials now, I suppose,
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Speaker 3: but otherwise just send him to Coventry. Thanks for joining us,
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Speaker 3: Stephen and Susie, appreciate it. We'll catch up with Stephen
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Speaker 3: and Susie next Tuesday. Got to go now, coming up next,
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Speaker 3: Peter Kreblin, I'll see you tomorrow