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Kunst Speak With Brask - DABSMYLA · Kunst Speak With Brask

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the second episode Speak with Brask. Our
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Speaker 1: next guests are Debs and Mila, living and working together
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Speaker 1: as a couple. I hope you will listen to our
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Speaker 1: podcast and shared with your friends. Thank you so much,
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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for taking your time. Of course, we're
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Speaker 1: in your house, in your studio in Los Angeles. Can
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Speaker 1: you just introduce yourself.
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Speaker 2: Well, our names are Daves Mila. I'm Mila, and that's Dads.
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Speaker 1: That's me and you live together, work together, and a
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Speaker 1: complem h.
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Speaker 3: We've been married for we've been together for twenty years.
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Speaker 4: Congress. That's amazing, thank you.
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Speaker 3: And we're making paintings together for twenty years.
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Speaker 2: We have. And then we met originally in Melbourne, Australia,
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Speaker 2: and we were at art school and first we became
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Speaker 2: friends and we really we had a lot of similarities
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Speaker 2: in music and different things that we liked. And then
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Speaker 2: you know, when we just started when we started dating,
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Speaker 2: we just started collaborating together pretty much straight away.
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Speaker 4: And then you moved to early Yeah.
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Speaker 5: A few years after that, in two thousand and nine,
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Speaker 5: we moved from Melbourne to Los Angeles.
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Speaker 1: And are doing a lot of mural as well and
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Speaker 1: paintings and different collapse together with different brands.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that kind of makes the bulk of what we do,
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Speaker 5: like paintings for exhibitions. We love to create installations, you know,
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Speaker 5: environmental installation, you know, like experience immersive installations, and then
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Speaker 5: like murals and collaborations and stuff with brands, all different.
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Speaker 3: Kinds of stuff.
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Speaker 2: We're very lucky that in our.
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Speaker 3: We make ceramics.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: In our artwork, we have like a lot of different
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Speaker 2: mediums and it's really fun for us because we have
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Speaker 2: like a lot of different ideas and so we can
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Speaker 2: we can put that all of those different ideas into
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Speaker 2: like different mediums that we like to use.
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Speaker 4: And how did the ceramic came up?
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Speaker 2: Well, that kind of started maybe back in like twenty eighteen.
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Speaker 2: We were having an exhibition and we wanted to make
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Speaker 2: some ceramics, and so we asked a really good friend
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Speaker 2: of ours who he's an Aussie guy, but he moved
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Speaker 2: to Antwerp around the same time we moved here, and
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Speaker 2: he's a ceramic he's a ceramic teacher and he's actually
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Speaker 2: a really incredible graffiti writer as well, named New two.
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Speaker 2: And so he came and stayed with us for a
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Speaker 2: month and taught us how to hand.
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Speaker 4: What else we hit him.
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Speaker 5: We were like, you know, we want to make some
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Speaker 5: ceramics for this exhibition. Do you want to come stay
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Speaker 5: with us for a month in la and just give
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Speaker 5: us a crash course in ceramics, you know, handbuilding specifically.
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Speaker 5: And so he came over and just stay with us
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Speaker 5: for close to a month, and we converted the whole
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Speaker 5: studio into like a ceramic Like we took all the
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Speaker 5: paintings down and we kind of covered everything up and
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Speaker 5: we just like he just taught us a lot about it,
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Speaker 5: and we loved it, and we made.
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Speaker 3: This series of ceramics and then we kind of.
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Speaker 5: Put it aside for a second. Even though we love
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Speaker 5: doing that, we kind of put it and we exhibited
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Speaker 5: those in the show we had in twenty eighteen, and
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Speaker 5: then we kind of like put it on hold for
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Speaker 5: a couple of years and then kind of came back
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Speaker 5: to it, and then.
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Speaker 2: It was kind of during the pandemic. Well like at
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Speaker 2: the tail end of the pandemic, we were hanging out
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Speaker 2: with our friends Seth and Lauren, and they're like really
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Speaker 2: good ceramic ceramicists and they make a lot of pottery
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Speaker 2: and they're really into glazers and they predominantly throw on
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Speaker 2: a wheel. And it's kind of cool because they have
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Speaker 2: a really beautiful studio and they love hanging out with
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Speaker 2: people in their studio. So we started going there and
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Speaker 2: hanging out with them, like over the weekend, and we
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Speaker 2: started throwing a little bit, but mostly we would take
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Speaker 2: things that we would hand build and then like kind
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Speaker 2: of pick their brains about like glazers and stuff, and
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Speaker 2: we were using their glazers and so then that kind of.
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Speaker 5: Like I think we just got inspired again and really
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Speaker 5: started to get back into it a lot. And then,
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Speaker 5: you know, it's hard to do that and make paintings
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Speaker 5: at the same time, so we kind of like like
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Speaker 5: we kind of like put aside a couple of months,
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Speaker 5: do a bunch of stuff with clay, put that aside,
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Speaker 5: let it dry, go back to paint you know, like
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Speaker 5: we kind of like go back and forth.
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Speaker 2: It's cool. It's kind of nice because I think that
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Speaker 2: the ceramics are a three D version of what our
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Speaker 2: paintings look like, you know, So it's kind of like
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Speaker 2: back to like that whole thing of like like having
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Speaker 2: all these mediums to express ourselves and our creativity. I
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Speaker 2: feel like, it's cool that we can now see what
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Speaker 2: our pieces look like, all like, you know, three sixty cool.
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Speaker 4: It makes totally sense.
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Speaker 1: And you go on holiday tomorrow and when you get back,
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Speaker 1: you just told me you're going to do seven murals.
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Speaker 4: Isn't that correct?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, well we're going to do the first five yeap,
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Speaker 5: and then we'll take a small break and then we'll
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Speaker 5: do the other two.
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Speaker 2: Yes, but it's it's in San Diego, and some of
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Speaker 2: the murals are the walls are really big, like maybe
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Speaker 2: nine or eight or nine stories tallow, and so it's
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Speaker 2: gonna be it's gonna be a total, it'll be a slog.
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Speaker 3: We're it's gonna be in the you know, doing that
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Speaker 3: for a month.
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Speaker 2: It'll be fun though, because we have.
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Speaker 5: It'll be fun and then it won't be, and then
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Speaker 5: it will be and then it will be again, and
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Speaker 5: then it'll be really tiring, and then it'll be fun again.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you do all the murals yourself, isn't that correct? Still,
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Speaker 1: you don't have anybody to help.
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Speaker 5: You this one. This one we're gonna have to have.
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Speaker 5: We're gonna we've got a guy down in San Diego
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Speaker 5: who's going to come and help.
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Speaker 4: Us and feel in the colors.
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Speaker 3: It's just too even just much of it helped, like
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Speaker 3: go get stuff for like, it's just too these are
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Speaker 3: two there's too many of them and they're too big.
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Speaker 2: And also like and.
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Speaker 3: We're getting older.
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Speaker 5: We held every second, every second, we're all getting older
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Speaker 5: and it's getting harder and harder.
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Speaker 3: So it's going to have like a third person there.
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Speaker 3: But a lot of the time we do love just
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Speaker 3: to do.
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Speaker 5: We're in a weird situation, not a weird it's a
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Speaker 5: great situation, but it's also a strange situation where it
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Speaker 5: is the two of us making things together. And so
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Speaker 5: as much as we love having like it's cool to
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Speaker 5: have other people help you, obviously, things like this we
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Speaker 5: need to.
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Speaker 1: I remember when you were twenty nineteen, wasn't coming. You
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Speaker 1: were there for six or seven days and you kind
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Speaker 1: of spent every day from morning till the sun.
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Speaker 4: Went down on the lift to do the mural.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I also think that's that you are murals
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Speaker 1: so special because you can see both of you in them,
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Speaker 1: and it's some you haven't just been handling our skits
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Speaker 1: to somebody. You're there, you do all the colors. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so your control about all the details and the mural
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Speaker 1: is the skits and the mural is once one.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you.
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Speaker 2: Thanks.
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Speaker 3: It's excited to hear someone say.
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Speaker 2: Like that was a really fun project as well. That
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Speaker 2: was so cool. We loved that. That was great, And yes,
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Speaker 2: we were there the whole time, but we had a.
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Speaker 3: Lot of fun like like in between.
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Speaker 2: In between getting to the wall.
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Speaker 5: And like we love what we do and we love
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Speaker 5: doing it together, and so I think like we always
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Speaker 5: want to be as much involved in it's about like, yes,
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Speaker 5: we want things to be the way that we want
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Speaker 5: them to be, and so like you know, having having
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Speaker 5: us like do everything by hand, but also we just
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Speaker 5: enjoyed that process.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so much.
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Speaker 2: It's so fun for us to like we get to
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Speaker 2: we really enjoy each other's company. We really love I know,
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Speaker 2: I really love, like we love hanging out with each other,
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Speaker 2: and so you know, doing a project like that, it's
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Speaker 2: we get we're in. Even though it is going to
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Speaker 2: be tough after like you know sometime it's gonna it's
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Speaker 2: really fun because we get to go to a different location.
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Speaker 2: Everything's kind of new, you know, it feels fresh, and
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Speaker 2: then we get to accomplish this really big thing. It
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Speaker 2: feels like, I don't know, it feels like something like
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Speaker 2: you've been challenged to do something, and it feels like
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Speaker 2: such a good feeling. Stay, yeah, it's really cool.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I have so much respect that you do
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Speaker 1: all the things together. You live together together, like twenty
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Speaker 1: four hours a day.
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Speaker 3: It's crazy, you know, that's really.
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Speaker 4: Still after twenty years. You know, like you made each
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Speaker 4: other yesterday. When you look at each other, I'm like,
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Speaker 4: that's I'm so.
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Speaker 5: Impressed, so so weird. It really is pretty fascinating.
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Speaker 2: I think that. I think because what we're doing is
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Speaker 2: so like like most of what we're doing is just
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Speaker 2: our you know, our work, Like we're working all the
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Speaker 2: time on everything and multiple things at the same time.
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Speaker 2: It's kind of like really perfect to have like be
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Speaker 2: doing that with your best friend and then they're they're
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Speaker 2: with you the whole time like constantly, Like Darren, like
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Speaker 2: this has been happening since the beginning of when we
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Speaker 2: started working together. But like some like we'd have we're
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Speaker 2: working on something and I'm like, oh gosh, I really
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Speaker 2: don't know how to approach that, and then all of
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Speaker 2: a sudden, Darren's got the best idea for how to
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Speaker 2: do that, and that feeling is just.
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Speaker 3: When you're stuck and then all of a sudden, just
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Speaker 3: someone appears, and.
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Speaker 2: You know it's kind of amazing, which it happens all
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Speaker 2: the time, Like it's always like one of us is
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Speaker 2: like I don't know how to do this, and another
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Speaker 2: one give me a look at that.
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Speaker 4: Oh I know.
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Speaker 2: It's just like, yes, that's so, that's like the perfect
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Speaker 2: that's a perfect team, I think. And so then I
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Speaker 2: think we are doing we're like our whole life is
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Speaker 2: our creative practice, and so like we like when we
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Speaker 2: were walking the dog, we're talking about like this project
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Speaker 2: or that project, or you know, we'll be driving to
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Speaker 2: dinner somewhere and we'll be conceptualizing what such and such is,
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Speaker 2: and so it's kind of like perfect. They were always
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Speaker 2: together because the conversations in this back and forth doesn't work.
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Speaker 3: It doesn't when the other person isn't around.
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Speaker 2: You know, you kind of get like like lost, like
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Speaker 2: they're now the way.
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Speaker 3: So we've been doing it this way for so long.
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Speaker 2: Though today I went and ran some errands this morning,
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Speaker 2: I came back and you did all those cool drawings.
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Speaker 5: Totally, But I can only get it to a point
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Speaker 5: because I need to consult with you know, like I need.
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Speaker 3: To like hear your voice on what I'm doing.
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Speaker 4: How are you doing it.
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Speaker 1: It's just like you both have to agree about a
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Speaker 1: painting or drawing how to get it, Like you said,
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Speaker 1: you did a drawing this morning, and then you both
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Speaker 1: have to say, okay, now we have to choose to
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Speaker 1: call us.
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Speaker 3: It's more intertwined. Even than that.
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Speaker 5: It's more like, let's say, if it's just one thing,
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Speaker 5: it's just simple, like a painting, Like we're going to
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Speaker 5: make this painting, and so we're to involve us talking
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Speaker 5: to each other a lot, probably over the course of
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Speaker 5: us eating dinner, walking the dog, like em said, whatever,
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Speaker 5: you know, sitting in the studio doing something else, but
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Speaker 5: talking about what it is that we are trying to
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Speaker 5: achieve with the next thing that we're going to do.
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Speaker 3: Then it would.
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Speaker 5: Involve probably both of us drawing and then rough ideas.
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Speaker 5: Once we've spoken about verbally what it is we want
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Speaker 5: to do, then we would both kind of draw a
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Speaker 5: little bit based on those discussions, then look at those.
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Speaker 3: Put them to get like find the parts of them that.
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Speaker 5: We we both we both feel the strongest.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, talk more about it.
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Speaker 5: Put it into a composition of some sort, and then
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Speaker 5: continue to draw, call out kind of thing like oh, okay,
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Speaker 5: can I'm going to work on the trees and that
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Speaker 5: house there, And it always seems just to be okay,
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Speaker 5: but like I'm going to do this, and then it's like, great,
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Speaker 5: you do that, You're going to be great at that.
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Speaker 5: I'm going to start working on the mountains over here
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Speaker 5: and start on the vasa flowers or whatever it is.
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Speaker 5: And then we would probably do that and then honestly,
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Speaker 5: at some point run over each person's part a little bit,
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Speaker 5: do you know what I mean? Like you usually run
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Speaker 5: over what I've done and make minimal changes and vice versa.
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Speaker 5: Then get it onto a canvas, then call out who's
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Speaker 5: going to paint what because it might not be what
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Speaker 5: we drew and so to be the same thing. And
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Speaker 5: a lot of the time that's the logistic of space,
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Speaker 5: Like okay, I'm going to one person needs to start
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Speaker 5: at the top, one needs to on this side, and
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Speaker 5: one person needs to be on this side of one
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Speaker 5: person to be down long, and one person needs to
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Speaker 5: be high. I'm going to start by just painting all
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Speaker 5: this background in on the sky. There's a few certain
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Speaker 5: things that each of us, especially when it comes to painting,
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Speaker 5: that EM has strengths that aren't my strengths. So it
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Speaker 5: wouldn't even be a question of who's going to do
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Speaker 5: that if it's a gradient. You know who I'm so
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Speaker 5: good at gradients. I'm not that good at gradients, whereas
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Speaker 5: EM is very good at making like a soft fade
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Speaker 5: with spray paint, auror brush. So even when if we're
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Speaker 5: painting something, even if there's a gradient in that, I
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Speaker 5: just don't even bother to really do it, because why
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Speaker 5: would I if I'm.
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Speaker 4: Not as good Because you know each other street exactly.
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Speaker 5: So then if there's a gradient in the sky, wouldn't
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Speaker 5: even be a question of who's going to paint the sky.
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Speaker 5: EM would just start painting the sky because it's got
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Speaker 5: a gradient in it. Or if it wasn't that, I
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Speaker 5: would just paint in all three colors and just stop
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Speaker 5: and move somewhere else. And without even having to say anything,
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Speaker 5: she knows that it's time to put it. When she's
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Speaker 5: got time, let's switch because it's time to fade those
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Speaker 5: three colors in the sky, like in the sky together.
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Speaker 2: But there's a lot of talking. We're talking yeah, like paint. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: we have to communicate like so much. Like I'll paint something,
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Speaker 2: I'm like, Darren, what do you think of this color?
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Speaker 2: And he's like, yep, that's great?
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Speaker 3: Or do you like the wood grain on this? I
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Speaker 3: made it like light?
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Speaker 4: Or what like?
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Speaker 3: It's like it's constant.
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Speaker 5: It's constant discussion, the same as any creative person working
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Speaker 5: on their own.
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Speaker 3: Speaks to themselves in their mind.
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Speaker 5: We have to say everything out loud because it's not
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Speaker 5: just it isn't my project. It's out you know, it's
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Speaker 5: it's two people, and so you really do need to
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Speaker 5: run by, you know, like you can't just be like oh,
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Speaker 5: like in your mind, if you're a painter.
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Speaker 3: You'd be like, oh, what do I think of those
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Speaker 3: wood grain on that? It's that good? Maybe I can
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Speaker 3: do better, But.
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Speaker 5: I have to you have to say that loud so
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Speaker 5: that she could also weigh in and be like Enoran
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Speaker 5: sty that doesn't look good. And then I know, like
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Speaker 5: I've got my answer, great, Okay, cool, We've I'm going
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Speaker 5: to paint over it.
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Speaker 3: I know.
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Speaker 2: Over the years as well, I feel like we've become
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Speaker 2: so efficient as well, where.
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Speaker 3: It's ridiculous how it operates now.
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Speaker 5: It is kind of coraozy when people who don't know
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Speaker 5: what's in our studio friends even if they're staying with
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Speaker 5: us and we're just working because they're here and they'll
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Speaker 5: just hang out and talk to us.
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Speaker 3: So often they'll be like, this is insane one I'm
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Speaker 3: working right now. This is crazy.
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Speaker 2: It's really like I think, because we both know like
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Speaker 2: all of that stuff, like okay, I know Darren can
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Speaker 2: figure this part out, or like this is Darren's strong
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Speaker 2: suit or whatever. It's there's so much communication that we've
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Speaker 2: already had in the past that we so we already
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Speaker 2: know what's going on. Do you know what I mean?
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Speaker 4: Like now you take the past in the pictures.
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Speaker 3: Exactly, we know we know what to do. It's like
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Speaker 3: a non human being.
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Speaker 1: Where the other one is going to do actually exactly,
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Speaker 1: but maybe we should explained that you paint at the
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Speaker 1: same time at the painting together. It's not like one
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Speaker 1: of your statements off or doing something. You are on
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Speaker 1: it together. Like you said, the top bottom.
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Speaker 2: Around exactly, I mean small, it's small.
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Speaker 3: Then we do alternate.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, then we might be working on a couple of
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Speaker 2: them at the same time, and then one person starts
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Speaker 2: one part and then the other person starts the other one,
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Speaker 2: and then we switch and then keep switching until they're done.
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Speaker 2: You know. It's and that's like we probably switch like
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Speaker 2: twenty times or something like. It's some it's it's almost
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Speaker 2: like whatever's going on with this, this is like some
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Speaker 2: sort of like dance or something.
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Speaker 5: Where yeah, it kind of is you're right, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 5: it's like it's it's.
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Speaker 2: We're so used to it though now that it doesn't
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Speaker 2: even seem strange to us or like, wow, this is
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Speaker 2: weird that I'm making some work with someone else. It
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Speaker 2: just feels exactly right. And I feel like now especially,
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Speaker 2: I mean every year, I feel like we kind of
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Speaker 2: reflect on what we're doing, and it really feels like
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Speaker 2: right at this point now where we're really like kind
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Speaker 2: of on fire.
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Speaker 5: Like it's really in the way we're working together more
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Speaker 5: than ever, just keeps getting stronger. Like the first paintings
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Speaker 5: we made together are so clunky, you know what I mean,
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Speaker 5: and trying to figure out how to do it, and
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Speaker 5: then every step from that point it just becomes more
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Speaker 5: and more harmonious. It's pretty cool working towards I guess.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, really impressied about the twit you still keep
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Speaker 1: doing it talking and walk the dark or I know
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Speaker 1: it's he must be like twins. Like if you're not together,
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Speaker 1: you will feed strange.
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Speaker 5: If we've never you know, we've never spent a day
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Speaker 5: apart from each other in those twenty years.
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Speaker 2: Wow, we're around each other a lot there. Sometimes we're like.
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Speaker 6: Obviously today, yeah totally, or like I mean sometimes i'll Google,
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Speaker 6: get my head done or alls.
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Speaker 3: It's stuff that we go.
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Speaker 5: The thing is we live that we don't just we
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Speaker 5: don't just work together. We'd live the same life. Our
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Speaker 5: friends are the same exact friends. It's not like I'm
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Speaker 5: like I'm going to do like I'm not even part
18:06
Speaker 5: of it. It's not like and it's just because it's
18:09
Speaker 5: not by intention. It's just it's not like I'm like,
18:12
Speaker 5: I'm in a soccer team, so I'm like every Thursday
18:15
Speaker 5: I'm at like soccer practice and then also going on
18:19
Speaker 5: a trip with the soccer team after. We like there's
18:23
Speaker 5: never any Every single person we know is the exact
18:26
Speaker 5: same people.
18:28
Speaker 3: Like our life is so intertwined.
18:30
Speaker 2: Exactly, like all of our friends are the same.
18:32
Speaker 3: We don't where would I go, where would I be
18:35
Speaker 3: by myself? What would I be doing? Do you know
18:37
Speaker 3: what I mean?
18:37
Speaker 5: Like, the only reason I would be by myself for
18:40
Speaker 5: a long period of time is because I'd made a
18:42
Speaker 5: point of either wanting to get away from you.
18:47
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? Like it have to
18:48
Speaker 3: be like we have to be a part.
18:49
Speaker 5: So I'm gonna physically, like go to New York for
18:53
Speaker 5: a week and be by myself.
18:54
Speaker 3: But I don't want to do that, So we're not
18:56
Speaker 3: doing that, That's exact.
18:58
Speaker 5: And to wear us word opportunity where I ever go,
19:00
Speaker 5: Where would I be doing?
19:01
Speaker 3: What would I be doing?
19:02
Speaker 4: You didn't know what to do?
19:03
Speaker 3: I wouldn't Well, I'm sure i'd manage. I bet you
19:06
Speaker 3: would be really weird.
19:07
Speaker 5: It would be so strange to be on like to
19:10
Speaker 5: spend days on your own.
19:13
Speaker 3: But then also, like I said, I don't know, there's
19:16
Speaker 3: no nothing that it would.
19:18
Speaker 5: Have to be purpose like we've got to spend some
19:20
Speaker 5: time apart. This is getting weird, And then we would
19:23
Speaker 5: choose to do it because there's no scenario that's come up.
19:26
Speaker 2: I like that, when would we think that this is weird?
19:32
Speaker 2: I think also like most of mine, I realized recently
19:35
Speaker 2: that most of my dreams Darren's there with me in
19:38
Speaker 2: my dreams.
19:40
Speaker 5: Yeah.
19:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I'll tell Darren my dream and I'm like,
19:45
Speaker 2: it's so true, Like we were at this place like this.
19:49
Speaker 4: It's not like I wasn't.
19:53
Speaker 3: It's a real tri It just it's not It's just
19:56
Speaker 3: how it is.
19:56
Speaker 2: I know. I think it's really I mean, we really
19:59
Speaker 2: do love each other. And when we first started hanging out,
20:02
Speaker 2: we were like, oh my god, I love hanging out
20:05
Speaker 2: with you so much. But then the art connect, like
20:08
Speaker 2: the actual creative connection, and then like the fact that
20:11
Speaker 2: we're doing that together. It just is our life.
20:14
Speaker 5: Like some people a lot of the time say, how
20:16
Speaker 5: do you work together, live together and live together? And
20:19
Speaker 5: how is it that you have any like you that
20:23
Speaker 5: that works? And you don't argue? And I think in
20:26
Speaker 5: a weird way, you're either relationships. All relationships the dynamics.
20:32
Speaker 3: They just are what they are. None are wrong or right.
20:34
Speaker 3: Some people need space, some people don't.
20:36
Speaker 5: Some people fight, some people don't based on their personality types.
20:41
Speaker 5: And for whatever reason, this scenario that wherein actually is
20:48
Speaker 5: part of what makes it makes our relationship stronger and
20:53
Speaker 5: good because of the foundation of I think what it
20:57
Speaker 5: is that we're doing so it's like if it didn't work,
21:01
Speaker 5: then it would sabotage one would each would sabotage each other,
21:06
Speaker 5: and the relationship would fail because you're fighting so much
21:08
Speaker 5: because you can't work together because it's not the right
21:11
Speaker 5: match for you.
21:12
Speaker 3: To work together. And then vice versa. You know, you
21:15
Speaker 3: like the work.
21:16
Speaker 5: You know, maybe it's hard because you're you know, they're
21:18
Speaker 5: not supposed to be. But then in this situation, it
21:22
Speaker 5: is it does work really well when we work together. Yeah,
21:25
Speaker 5: and so, and that strengthens our actual relationship too.
21:30
Speaker 3: It's crazy that it works that way.
21:33
Speaker 2: I know another another thing I don't know, Tell me
21:37
Speaker 2: if you agree with this. I thought this recently. Is
21:40
Speaker 2: that moving here? I think that because.
21:44
Speaker 4: The new house essentially in Los Angeles.
21:47
Speaker 2: Because we've been dating for like three three and a
21:50
Speaker 2: half years or something, and we did spend a lot
21:52
Speaker 2: of time together.
21:52
Speaker 3: We did, but not all the time.
21:53
Speaker 5: We had a different jobs like that was we like
21:56
Speaker 5: lived in Australia, we'd just come out of art school.
21:58
Speaker 3: We had like job like you worked in a bar
22:00
Speaker 3: or whatever.
22:00
Speaker 5: We were like away from each other for most of
22:02
Speaker 5: the day a lot of the time.
22:04
Speaker 1: So it was when when you moved from Australia to
22:07
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. Since you have moved to early, you haven't
22:10
Speaker 1: been a part more than one day.
22:11
Speaker 5: Not even in Australia. We never spent a full day
22:13
Speaker 5: apart from each other. But we were away from each
22:15
Speaker 5: other like all day when we were at jobs.
22:17
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, Like Darren worked at a cold center and
22:21
Speaker 2: then he would go to work like in the morning
22:23
Speaker 2: and new work at a bar, and I worked at night.
22:26
Speaker 2: But he would come, he would knock off work and
22:28
Speaker 2: then come and see me at the bar before he
22:31
Speaker 2: went home, and then I would see him. He would
22:33
Speaker 2: stay up for me when I got home. But I
22:36
Speaker 2: think what I was going to say is like when
22:38
Speaker 2: we moved here, because I mean, we had a couple
22:40
Speaker 2: of friends, but we don't have any family here. This
22:43
Speaker 2: city felt kind of like pretty, you know, overwhelming when
22:47
Speaker 2: we first moved here. I feel like it felt it
22:50
Speaker 2: felt like, you know, all the things we were doing
22:54
Speaker 2: obviously we were doing together because we've been collaborating together
22:57
Speaker 2: for like three years at that point, So any openings
23:01
Speaker 2: or other writers that we were hanging out with to
23:04
Speaker 2: paint with, we were doing it together. But I think
23:07
Speaker 2: that because we came here together doing that exact same thing.
23:12
Speaker 2: That was really when things became like more like you
23:16
Speaker 2: know what I mean, because we it was us moving
23:21
Speaker 2: to this really big city together and then you know,
23:26
Speaker 2: managing that, figuring out what what to do here and
23:30
Speaker 2: how to you know, work here, and stuff like that,
23:34
Speaker 2: and so that that's why I think that all of
23:36
Speaker 2: our friends are combined friends.
23:40
Speaker 5: Like we started a whole new life here in that scenario.
23:45
Speaker 5: It's not like our you know, like, oh, these are
23:47
Speaker 5: my high school friends and I go do stuff with them.
23:49
Speaker 5: All our friends are the same because we've met them,
23:51
Speaker 5: we created them all together.
23:54
Speaker 2: Exactly.
23:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, I see what you mean.
23:56
Speaker 4: And the family is not just three blocks away.
23:58
Speaker 3: So we really do have to have a job that's back, yeah, big.
24:03
Speaker 4: Time, because otherwise it will be like okay, that's pretty long.
24:09
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going home exactly two days later, exactly.
24:15
Speaker 4: I think.
24:15
Speaker 1: Also, we have to quick talk about some of the collapse.
24:19
Speaker 1: You have been doing so many interesting and I love
24:23
Speaker 1: my artists. Like you said, don't just only have the paintings.
24:26
Speaker 1: You have like the paintings, murals and collapse so you
24:29
Speaker 1: can navigate in the art industry.
24:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really cool.
24:33
Speaker 3: I love that part. Of it too.
24:35
Speaker 5: I really enjoy that part of it. I think we
24:37
Speaker 5: both did. Like I really enjoy like I think some people.
24:39
Speaker 5: And it can be hard sometimes as an artist to work,
24:43
Speaker 5: you know, when you do a collaboration with the brand,
24:46
Speaker 5: you've got to maneuver.
24:47
Speaker 3: When you're a visual artist and you make paintings, it
24:49
Speaker 3: ends with you.
24:50
Speaker 5: You can do whatever you want, you can make it,
24:52
Speaker 5: you can do whatever you want. And generally we kind
24:55
Speaker 5: of can w if someone wants to do some sort
24:57
Speaker 5: of commercial project or collaboration with us coming to us
25:00
Speaker 5: to do what we do. But there are limits, you know,
25:04
Speaker 5: and and borders on that. But I kind of find
25:09
Speaker 5: like I enjoy that those limits sometimes do in that process.
25:13
Speaker 3: It's kind of nice.
25:14
Speaker 2: Definitely. I feel like every time, I mean, every single
25:17
Speaker 2: thing that we do, I feel like we always come
25:20
Speaker 2: away from it with something something extra, you.
25:24
Speaker 3: Know, we learn something from it, you take something from.
25:27
Speaker 2: It, like someone because someone might come to us and
25:29
Speaker 2: they're like, we really want you to do this, and
25:31
Speaker 2: we love X, Y and Z that you've done, you know,
25:34
Speaker 2: and so they already have something in their mind, like
25:38
Speaker 2: a path that they want us to go down, and
25:40
Speaker 2: so then we have to explore that path, and then
25:42
Speaker 2: when we go down it, we find other things.
25:44
Speaker 5: And we realize like, oh, yeah, that's right, that was
25:47
Speaker 5: good that, you know, because it's like it might.
25:50
Speaker 3: Be an older thing.
25:50
Speaker 5: And then yeah, you like figure out how to refresh
25:53
Speaker 5: that and then you it gets like remixed and then
25:56
Speaker 5: and then you like have like learned something from that.
26:00
Speaker 3: It's like change that process.
26:01
Speaker 2: It's really cool and I think that, I mean quite
26:04
Speaker 2: often when people come to us, because we have like
26:07
Speaker 2: a lot of different ways that we do things. I
26:10
Speaker 2: think that we have like multiple angles that people are
26:13
Speaker 2: coming to us to collaborate with them, you know. So
26:16
Speaker 2: it's kind of like we're really fortunate that there's so
26:23
Speaker 2: many exciting things that are around us that we can
26:26
Speaker 2: apply our world to, you know. And it is really
26:31
Speaker 2: fun working with people. We love. We love meeting people
26:36
Speaker 2: and then creating a relationship with them, and then it's
26:41
Speaker 2: so special. Honestly, it's like probably I mean, we love
26:45
Speaker 2: making work, but then it's so cool to have like
26:48
Speaker 2: these bonds with other humans and then have those bonds
26:53
Speaker 2: last like many many years. You know, like we're kind
26:56
Speaker 2: of like all on these funny journeys together and they
27:00
Speaker 2: eve in and out and that I don't know, it's
27:03
Speaker 2: really cool to have like relationships and to have connections
27:10
Speaker 2: with other people. And so that's why it's cool to
27:12
Speaker 2: do this.
27:13
Speaker 3: When you do these collapse, you've met, there's a team,
27:15
Speaker 3: there's a new team.
27:16
Speaker 5: Yes, whoever is you're working with, and they've got their
27:18
Speaker 5: own fresh ideas. And it's also cool to hear because
27:22
Speaker 5: like it's kind of like what we were saying, but
27:24
Speaker 5: they see something in your work and there's something about
27:27
Speaker 5: it that reflects with them, and so kind of getting
27:30
Speaker 5: that from someone it's kind of nice too.
27:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really cool. We're lucky that we're lucky that
27:39
Speaker 2: because of how our work is, we have a whole
27:43
Speaker 2: kind of bunch of all different kinds of creative people,
27:47
Speaker 2: all different like people from all different walks of life
27:50
Speaker 2: that we're we're able to work with because essentially it's
27:54
Speaker 2: just it's just the two of us, like working together,
27:58
Speaker 2: you know, each day, and so in our studio it's
28:02
Speaker 2: just us, and then we get to work with all
28:04
Speaker 2: of these other people throughout the year. So it kind
28:06
Speaker 2: of means that we get to have so we get
28:09
Speaker 2: to hang out with people and get to know what
28:12
Speaker 2: they're up to and stuff it's cool.
28:14
Speaker 4: And any new interesting collapse coming up.
28:18
Speaker 5: We just did a really cool one for a chocolate
28:20
Speaker 5: company that was really cool, like a chocolate company here
28:23
Speaker 5: in LA. They're called ann Sons're in Beverly Hillton. It's
28:26
Speaker 5: like a really beautiful chocolate like bonbond company and they
28:30
Speaker 5: collaborate with different artists. They've done some really really cool ones.
28:34
Speaker 5: They just did ed Ruschet one which was so cool.
28:37
Speaker 5: It's like a book, a bound book basically and he
28:41
Speaker 5: I think it says made in California on it, like
28:44
Speaker 5: in ed Rushe you know type, and then you open
28:48
Speaker 5: it up and there's just one lump of chocolate in
28:51
Speaker 5: the shape, like with the shape of California in it.
28:53
Speaker 3: It's so cool. And they did a Hilary Petchis one
28:56
Speaker 3: that was really good.
28:58
Speaker 5: They do great collaborations and so we're really happy to
29:01
Speaker 5: do that with them just because I love the company.
29:03
Speaker 4: And what did you do with them?
29:05
Speaker 5: We designed a box of chocolates for Valentine's Day and
29:10
Speaker 5: it was really cool.
29:11
Speaker 3: It was like it's like a it's like a box of.
29:14
Speaker 5: Bond bonds, like heart shaped, you know, Valentine's Day chocolates
29:19
Speaker 5: and you can kind of like open it up and
29:21
Speaker 5: inside there was a comic we made, like a little
29:23
Speaker 5: comic strip inside as well, and then and then on
29:26
Speaker 5: the back of that was all the names of the chocolates.
29:29
Speaker 3: And then yeah, like did all the packaging, which I love.
29:31
Speaker 4: We loved doing it.
29:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love.
29:33
Speaker 3: Doing that kind of stuff, like package design and things
29:35
Speaker 3: like that.
29:35
Speaker 2: And they're really sweet people, and it was like, again,
29:39
Speaker 2: that was like so cool because we didn't know them beforehand,
29:42
Speaker 2: and then we got to meet the owner and that's
29:45
Speaker 2: who we were working with, and he's so cool. And
29:48
Speaker 2: I think that it's kind of like, you know, just
29:51
Speaker 2: the beginning of our cob collaborations with them, Like we'll
29:54
Speaker 2: continue to do stuff with them in the future too,
29:57
Speaker 2: which is amazing because their chocolate.
29:59
Speaker 3: Is del It's so good. Okay, it's really really good.
30:04
Speaker 5: We also did a call collaboration that will come out
30:07
Speaker 5: this year with a friend of ours.
30:10
Speaker 3: He who we know through all the Seventh later guys.
30:14
Speaker 5: He owns like a company called Insomniac, which is.
30:18
Speaker 3: Like a electronic like DC. It's a DM.
30:23
Speaker 5: It's called like DC as a festival called DC which
30:26
Speaker 5: is called Electric Daisy Carnival, which is like a massive rave.
30:30
Speaker 3: It's huge. It's like in Las Vegas.
30:33
Speaker 5: I think over the weekend they have like five hundred
30:35
Speaker 5: thousand people go to DC.
30:37
Speaker 3: Isn't that It's like massive.
30:39
Speaker 5: Yes, it's a huge crazy and he just built that
30:43
Speaker 5: up from like he started just putting on illegal raves
30:46
Speaker 5: in downtown LA Like it's so cool.
30:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, he started in the nineties just doing like these
30:51
Speaker 2: crazy raves where it would just be like you have
30:54
Speaker 2: to call this phone number to get the address of
30:57
Speaker 2: the rave.
30:57
Speaker 4: Like that was that it started.
30:59
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then now he's at this giant company and
31:02
Speaker 5: he's a really good guy and the team and we
31:04
Speaker 5: have friends who worked.
31:05
Speaker 3: There as well.
31:05
Speaker 5: And then and so it's there. We've been talking about
31:10
Speaker 5: doing something with them for a while and then this
31:13
Speaker 5: year is their thirtieth anniversary, and so we built like
31:16
Speaker 5: a made like a cool capsule for them, just some
31:19
Speaker 5: really crazy designs of some really weird stuff that they
31:22
Speaker 5: can put onto, like you know, fluffy hats and.
31:26
Speaker 3: Jackets and T shirts and and and.
31:30
Speaker 5: Stuff like that, like other scarves and all different kind
31:33
Speaker 5: of crazy stuff.
31:34
Speaker 3: It's going to be really cool.
31:35
Speaker 2: And then yeah, so yeah, a C in Las Vegas
31:39
Speaker 2: is in in May, and so yeah, we were working
31:42
Speaker 2: on that last year last year, so yeah, that all
31:47
Speaker 2: that's coming.
31:48
Speaker 5: Up to so the years it's completely but then then
31:52
Speaker 5: this year and then once we're done with these murals,
31:54
Speaker 5: we have to just get to work on this show.
31:58
Speaker 2: They've begun like conceptualizing for the museum show. We've got
32:02
Speaker 2: like and when the opening for that that is going
32:04
Speaker 2: to be the fourteenth of November. Okay, we're building it.
32:08
Speaker 2: They came to us to build a really big immersive
32:11
Speaker 2: installation in their space, and so that's like a dream
32:15
Speaker 2: project for us because we love building installations like Darren
32:19
Speaker 2: was seeing before, and so this one we're going to
32:22
Speaker 2: be building, like we're going to be completely transforming the
32:26
Speaker 2: space and making our own world in there. So that's
32:29
Speaker 2: like we've we we found out about the show like
32:33
Speaker 2: maybe six months ago, and we were like racking our
32:36
Speaker 2: brains to try to figure out how to change the
32:38
Speaker 2: whole entire space, and then like maybe in January we
32:42
Speaker 2: figured it out, and now we're like now we're like
32:45
Speaker 2: bringing all the pieces to like create actually create.
32:48
Speaker 3: The vendors to fabricate.
32:49
Speaker 5: You know, we've just got to logistically work out how
32:52
Speaker 5: to fabricate a lot of the things that need to
32:53
Speaker 5: be fabricated. Then we're going to have to design everything
32:57
Speaker 5: and then make some pain makes some work for it
33:00
Speaker 5: as well, which it will be mostly installation based.
33:03
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be sick installation and animation.
33:07
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then we'll have to design all the animated
33:09
Speaker 5: parts of it as well.
33:11
Speaker 2: Oh and we're also been working this has been a
33:14
Speaker 2: couple of years in the making, but we've been working
33:18
Speaker 2: on an animation as well. Kids animation.
33:20
Speaker 4: Wow.
33:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's like that that kind of comes in
33:24
Speaker 2: waves where we do a bunch of stuff for it
33:26
Speaker 2: and then like other people do stuff. But that's also
33:30
Speaker 2: something that's really exciting too, so you know, hopefully that
33:35
Speaker 2: comes to you can figure out that and it's really cute,
33:39
Speaker 2: it's really really cool, and we're working the the producers
33:43
Speaker 2: of it are really good, so we're like super stoked
33:47
Speaker 2: to see this happen.
33:51
Speaker 1: I'm happy and thanks so much for your time of
33:53
Speaker 1: course to see it's always nice. I'm looking forward to
33:58
Speaker 1: see everything in this year. You have a busy year
34:01
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34:07
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34:09
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34:19
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34:22
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